| leftyfb- | hello? | 04:44 |
|---|---|---|
| Turl | hi leftyfb- | 04:47 |
| leftyfb- | does anyone here run the official ubuntu website/domains? | 04:48 |
| Turl | leftyfb-: yep. newz2000 is in charge of ubuntu.com and the wikis iirc | 04:49 |
| * newz2000 also blogs about pizza sometimes too | 04:49 | |
| leftyfb- | hi there newz2000 | 04:50 |
| newz2000 | hello | 04:50 |
| Turl | newz2000: what kind of pizza? you made me feel hungry :P | 04:50 |
| newz2000 | Well, tonight I was actually blogging about cutting pizza | 04:50 |
| leftyfb- | Was wondering if you guys had any future plans for spreadubuntu beyond just forwarding it to the main page? | 04:50 |
| newz2000 | http://is.gd/qEjA Turl | 04:51 |
| newz2000 | leftyfb-: I don't have any plans for it | 04:51 |
| newz2000 | this is kind of a community effort | 04:51 |
| leftyfb- | Have you considered pointing it to the rapidly growing and popular "spread ubuntu" effort going on over at http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org | 04:52 |
| Turl | newz2000: good pizzalistic ideas :) | 04:53 |
| newz2000 | it's making me hungry too | 04:53 |
| newz2000 | leftyfb-: is there more than one spread ubuntu effort? | 04:54 |
| Turl | leftyfb-: didn't know that site, seems a good one - and it's even in my native language! :) | 04:54 |
| leftyfb- | newz2000: not that i know of | 04:54 |
| newz2000 | leftyfb-: last I heard the spread ubuntu efforts were being run by the #ubuntu-marketing team | 04:55 |
| newz2000 | I think that's probably a good place for it | 04:55 |
| leftyfb- | it'd make things a lot easier to find that one if we could just use spreadubuntu.com/org | 04:55 |
| newz2000 | If help is needed with the web specific aspects those topics could be discussed through this group... we have numerous drupal experts | 04:55 |
| newz2000 | I see what you're asking now | 04:56 |
| leftyfb- | well, i dont run the site. Just saw the need to make it easier to find and raise awareness | 04:56 |
| newz2000 | I didn't even know that domain was registered | 04:56 |
| leftyfb- | com/org/net | 04:57 |
| leftyfb- | all point to the main site | 04:57 |
| leftyfb- | kinda pointless | 04:57 |
| newz2000 | leftyfb-: are you part of the ubuntu-marketing team? | 04:57 |
| leftyfb- | nope ... just help run the MA LoCo and the site was brought up at a couple of our meetings | 04:57 |
| Turl | newz2000: they are registered by James Troup, maybe he can contact him? | 04:58 |
| newz2000 | yes, I can contact him | 04:58 |
| leftyfb- | oh, those aren't owned by Canonical? | 04:58 |
| Turl | leftyfb-: James Troup works at canonical | 04:58 |
| newz2000 | leftyfb-: are you part of the group that does spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org? | 04:58 |
| leftyfb- | nope | 04:59 |
| leftyfb- | like i said | 04:59 |
| leftyfb- | nope ... just help run the MA LoCo and the site was brought up at a couple of our meetings. i felt the need to come ask if we could get the spreadubuntu domain(s) pointed to a more appropriate site | 05:00 |
| newz2000 | I would consider doing it. I think I'd want to talk to the team handling it first. | 05:01 |
| newz2000 | I'll put it on my todo list for next week | 05:01 |
| leftyfb- | cool | 05:01 |
| leftyfb- | by team, you mean the team handling the http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org site right? | 05:02 |
| newz2000 | yes | 05:02 |
| Turl | newz2000: how's the geo ip download system going? | 05:04 |
| newz2000 | stalled | 05:04 |
| Turl | :/ | 05:04 |
| newz2000 | the drupal 6 upgrade took too long | 05:04 |
| newz2000 | but it's still high on my todo list, I hope to work on it this summer | 05:04 |
| Turl | I'll have to wait until karmic then | 05:04 |
| newz2000 | I have an idea... | 05:05 |
| newz2000 | create a url such as www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download/latest-32bit.iso | 05:05 |
| leftyfb- | geo ip download? | 05:05 |
| newz2000 | it would really be a php/drupal page that downloads the iso | 05:05 |
| newz2000 | then people wouldn't need forms | 05:06 |
| Turl | leftyfb-: automatic mirror selection | 05:06 |
| newz2000 | just links to the proper ISO file | 05:06 |
| leftyfb- | closer doesn't always mean faster | 05:06 |
| newz2000 | that's true, automatic detection is very tricky | 05:06 |
| leftyfb- | i give out the MIT mirror all the time and people find it one of the fastest from anywhere in the world | 05:07 |
| Turl | leftyfb-: where are you in? | 05:07 |
| leftyfb- | MA :) | 05:07 |
| newz2000 | :-) | 05:07 |
| newz2000 | south america says that europe is faster than north america | 05:07 |
| Turl | and where's that? :p | 05:07 |
| leftyfb- | Massachusetts | 05:07 |
| newz2000 | USA | 05:07 |
| newz2000 | Boston is in MA | 05:08 |
| Turl | oh, I see | 05:08 |
| leftyfb- | or TN | 05:08 |
| leftyfb- | but mainly known for MA | 05:08 |
| Turl | here in south america you usually get high speeds on 1)mirrors in your country 2) Mirrors in very near countries 3) Mirrors in europe/usa | 05:09 |
| newz2000 | Turl: where are you again? | 05:09 |
| Turl | newz2000: Argentina. The last country from top to bottom | 05:09 |
| leftyfb- | newz2000: what about using the same mechanism that the automatic/fastest mirror selection in the software sources tool uses? | 05:09 |
| Turl | leftyfb-: that would require users to run an app that does that. | 05:10 |
| newz2000 | leftyfb-: I'll look into it but I don't think it's anything special | 05:10 |
| Turl | it pings all the servers and downloads from the less-latency ones | 05:10 |
| Turl | and checks speeds | 05:10 |
| leftyfb- | hm | 05:11 |
| newz2000 | oh, I thought it was just country based with some dns tricks for countries without a mirror | 05:11 |
| leftyfb- | no | 05:11 |
| leftyfb- | it checks | 05:11 |
| leftyfb- | Turl is right | 05:11 |
| leftyfb- | didnt think about people not using ubuntu to download the iso | 05:11 |
| Turl | newz2000: ar.archive.ubuntu.com is in USA iirc. not even near argentina | 05:11 |
| newz2000 | yeah, that's common | 05:11 |
| newz2000 | Turl: are you in Beunos Aries? | 05:11 |
| Turl | leftyfb-: windows people download the ISO commonly | 05:11 |
| * newz2000 thinks we may have had this conversation before | 05:11 | |
| Turl | newz2000: nope, on Rosario. But I used to leave near buenos aires (70km from there) | 05:12 |
| newz2000 | I think I may be in Beunos Aries in a month or two | 05:12 |
| Turl | newz2000: it's "Buenos" :) | 05:13 |
| Turl | newz2000: do you speak some spanish? | 05:13 |
| newz2000 | about 8 words | 05:13 |
| newz2000 | :-) He leaves. | 05:13 |
| newz2000 | :-) | 05:14 |
| newz2000 | I know about 8 - 10 words of Spanish | 05:14 |
| Turl | sorry, pidgin crashed and this new indicator-applet is crap, I can't see if pidgin is running at a glance | 05:15 |
| Turl | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=es&geocode=&q=rosario,argentina&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=31.095668,86.660156&ie=UTF8&ll=-33.906896,-61.875&spn=8.129552,21.665039&z=6&iwloc=addr | 05:15 |
| Turl | see, I live in "Rosario" | 05:15 |
| newz2000 | gotcha | 05:15 |
| Turl | and I used to live in "Campana" | 05:15 |
| Turl | the little dot under the road # 12 | 05:15 |
| newz2000 | I didn't realize Buenos Airies was so close to the water | 05:16 |
| Turl | it's just between Rosario and Buenos Aires | 05:16 |
| Turl | newz2000: Buenos Aires has docks and all that ;) | 05:16 |
| Turl | there are a lot of boats stopping there and whatelse | 05:16 |
| Turl | it's a very big place, has lots of containers near the river :P | 05:17 |
| Turl | newz2000: http://www.lsis.org/imsm07/gallery/images/Puerto%20Madero%201_jpg.jpg | 05:18 |
| Turl | http://www.mvl.gov.ar/sec_privada/img_lugares/puerto de Olivos.jpg | 05:18 |
| newz2000 | I see | 05:18 |
| newz2000 | Turl: do you have a day job? | 05:19 |
| Turl | newz2000: if you come, buy some "alfajores" and try "dulce de leche". You won't regret :) | 05:19 |
| newz2000 | ok | 05:19 |
| Turl | newz2000: I'm 16, I'm doing 4th year of secondary school :) | 05:19 |
| Turl | here the last one is 5th, so it's still 2 years to go (+ university) | 05:20 |
| newz2000 | Turl: if it makes you feel better I think my panel just crashed | 05:21 |
| newz2000 | :-) | 05:21 |
| Turl | my pidgin crashed *again* :p | 05:21 |
| Turl | newz2000: on jaunty? | 05:21 |
| newz2000 | yeah | 05:21 |
| leftyfb- | use a real irc client | 05:21 |
| Turl | leftyfb-: real irc clients don't have jabber+msn support | 05:22 |
| Turl | newz2000: did you install kerneloops ? | 05:22 |
| leftyfb- | i use carrier for IM's and xchat for IRC | 05:22 |
| newz2000 | Turl: no | 05:22 |
| newz2000 | leftyfb-: I stick to default ubuntu apps as much as possible | 05:23 |
| newz2000 | dogfood and etc | 05:23 |
| Turl | newz2000: install it then. help kerneloops.org identify the most common kernel oops :) | 05:23 |
| newz2000 | I don't think I've had a kernel oops in a long time | 05:23 |
| Turl | newz2000: I have one which appears every time I reboot :p it's related with my intel wifi | 05:23 |
| newz2000 | definitely not since I switched to jaunty | 05:23 |
| leftyfb- | i would too if the pidgin devs weren't systematically destroying their project and alienating their users | 05:24 |
| Turl | leftyfb-: it's true, pidgin quality is decreasing | 05:24 |
| newz2000 | leftyfb-: yeah, there was discussion to switch the default client to empathy, don't know where that went though | 05:24 |
| Turl | a friend uses this telepathy thing, I might switch too | 05:24 |
| Turl | empathy* | 05:24 |
| newz2000 | the interesting thing about pidgin is that since the split it into a separate UI and library package more IM packages are coming out using the libpurple | 05:25 |
| Turl | newz2000: https://launchpad.net/cloudsession | 05:25 |
| leftyfb- | i like the idea of telepathy, but it's tough to switch from polished and feature rich applications to barebones and limitatiions | 05:25 |
| Turl | newz2000: the problem is, libpurple crashes sometimes :P | 05:25 |
| newz2000 | yeah | 05:26 |
| newz2000 | I run bip so that I'm always connected | 05:26 |
| newz2000 | that's an interesting looking package (cloudsession) | 05:26 |
| leftyfb- | i run a BNC for that | 05:26 |
| Turl | bip? what's what? | 05:26 |
| newz2000 | Turl: it's an IRC proxy | 05:27 |
| leftyfb- | hm | 05:27 |
| leftyfb- | loco wiki is broken | 05:27 |
| leftyfb- | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MassachusettsTeam | 05:27 |
| newz2000 | it runs on a server and stays connected to IRC and then you connect to it as if it were your own private irc server | 05:27 |
| Turl | newz2000: that's a software I'm doing with a friend | 05:27 |
| newz2000 | Turl: how far along are you? | 05:27 |
| Turl | newz2000: what do you mean with that? | 05:28 |
| leftyfb- | the trouble with remote management is NATing | 05:28 |
| newz2000 | How much have you got done? | 05:28 |
| leftyfb- | only way to do it easy is with an online subscription service | 05:28 |
| leftyfb- | eg: gotomypc | 05:29 |
| Turl | newz2000: it can ping, screenshot on the 3 main OSes and shutdown on the 3 main OSes (shutting down is not still on the control UI, but should be easy to add) | 05:29 |
| leftyfb- | most people dont want to or know how to forward ports on a firewall | 05:29 |
| newz2000 | Turl: when you get ready to release something let me know, I know some people who'd like to see it I think | 05:30 |
| Turl | newz2000: ok :) | 05:31 |
| Turl | the protocol itself is ready, the functionality is just missing (ie code to reboot, suspend, whatever) | 05:31 |
| leftyfb- | Turl: do you have any solutions/ideas for getting around NAT's transparently? | 05:31 |
| Turl | leftyfb-: this is a setup once-works forever thing. it's not suppoused to work around nat :P | 05:32 |
| leftyfb- | not sure i follow | 05:32 |
| Turl | but you can always use good old ssh to do that, if needed | 05:32 |
| Turl | leftyfb-: this is a software for, let's say, manage the 30 pcs on an IT lab, on an office, or why not, at home | 05:33 |
| leftyfb- | landscape | 05:34 |
| Turl | but it's not something you would send a friend to fix him a problem | 05:34 |
| newz2000 | landscape doesn't do screen sharing | 05:34 |
| leftyfb- | how would cloudsession do screen sharing through NAT? | 05:35 |
| leftyfb- | how would cloudsession do screen sharing through NAT? | 05:35 |
| newz2000 | ah, my panel came back | 05:35 |
| leftyfb- | you need to open ports or ssh a reverse ssh tunnel | 05:35 |
| Turl | leftyfb-: you open a port on your router and that's it :P | 05:35 |
| newz2000 | wow, it's 1:35am in Argentina | 05:35 |
| leftyfb- | ok, so this isn't for the average user | 05:35 |
| Turl | leftyfb-: nope, as I said if for special needs | 05:36 |
| newz2000 | there is some way that clients can open ports on routers, I've seen games do it. | 05:36 |
| newz2000 | Maybe using UPnP | 05:36 |
| Turl | or for the home user who has 2+ pcs | 05:36 |
| leftyfb- | upnp | 05:36 |
| Turl | newz2000: that's true too | 05:36 |
| leftyfb- | most routers dont enable it by default | 05:36 |
| Turl | I might implement it in the future | 05:36 |
| Turl | leftyfb-: I don't even know if my crappy one supports that :p | 05:37 |
| leftyfb- | canonical needs to open up landscape to the average user and make a centralized service for remote desktop management | 05:37 |
| leftyfb- | so many people ask for something like remote desktop/gotomypc on ubuntui | 05:38 |
| newz2000 | vino | 05:38 |
| Turl | leftyfb-: that exists and it's called vinagre/vino | 05:38 |
| leftyfb- | nope | 05:38 |
| Turl | leftyfb-: combine that with hamachi and it's done :) | 05:38 |
| leftyfb- | without opening ports | 05:38 |
| leftyfb- | transparent | 05:38 |
| Turl | well, I have to leave | 05:38 |
| leftyfb- | it wouldn't be that hard to implement.... | 05:39 |
| leftyfb- | use a combination of reverse ssh with their centralized server and x11vnc on the target desktop | 05:40 |
| newz2000 | see you later Turl | 05:40 |
| Turl | leftyfb-: hamachi does best ;) | 05:40 |
| leftyfb- | they could even make pgp keys easy by making them little ID cards with avatars | 05:40 |
| Turl | see you! | 05:40 |
| leftyfb- | hamachi is not user friendly | 05:42 |
| leftyfb- | welp, bedtime... | 05:44 |
| leftyfb- | thanks for considering the use of the domain name newz2000 | 05:44 |
| newz2000 | ;-) catch you later leftyfb- | 05:44 |
| leftyfb- | i hope it gets worked out... it'd raise the awareness of the site and give loCo's a centralized place to share marketing material | 05:45 |
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