[04:44] <leftyfb-> hello?
[04:47] <Turl> hi leftyfb-
[04:48] <leftyfb-> does anyone here run the official ubuntu website/domains?
[04:49] <Turl> leftyfb-: yep. newz2000 is in charge of ubuntu.com and the wikis iirc
[04:49]  * newz2000 also blogs about pizza sometimes too
[04:50] <leftyfb-> hi there newz2000
[04:50] <newz2000> hello
[04:50] <Turl> newz2000: what kind of pizza? you made me feel hungry :P
[04:50] <newz2000> Well, tonight I was actually blogging about cutting pizza
[04:50] <leftyfb-> Was wondering if you guys had any future plans for spreadubuntu beyond just forwarding it to the main page?
[04:51] <newz2000> http://is.gd/qEjA Turl
[04:51] <newz2000> leftyfb-: I don't have any plans for it
[04:51] <newz2000> this is kind of a community effort
[04:52] <leftyfb-> Have you considered pointing it to the rapidly growing and popular "spread ubuntu" effort going on over at http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org
[04:53] <Turl> newz2000: good pizzalistic ideas :)
[04:53] <newz2000> it's making me hungry too
[04:54] <newz2000> leftyfb-: is there more than one spread ubuntu effort?
[04:54] <Turl> leftyfb-: didn't know that site, seems a good one - and it's even in my native language! :)
[04:54] <leftyfb-> newz2000: not that i know of
[04:55] <newz2000> leftyfb-: last I heard the spread ubuntu efforts were being run by the #ubuntu-marketing team
[04:55] <newz2000> I think that's probably a good place for it
[04:55] <leftyfb-> it'd make things a lot easier to find that one if we could just use spreadubuntu.com/org
[04:55] <newz2000> If help is needed with the web specific aspects those topics could be discussed through this group... we have numerous drupal experts
[04:56] <newz2000> I see what you're asking now
[04:56] <leftyfb-> well, i dont run the site. Just saw the need to make it easier to find and raise awareness
[04:56] <newz2000> I didn't even know that domain was registered
[04:57] <leftyfb-> com/org/net
[04:57] <leftyfb-> all point to the main site
[04:57] <leftyfb-> kinda pointless
[04:57] <newz2000> leftyfb-: are you part of the ubuntu-marketing team?
[04:57] <leftyfb-> nope ... just help run the MA LoCo and the site was brought up at a couple of our meetings
[04:58] <Turl> newz2000: they are registered by James Troup, maybe he can contact him?
[04:58] <newz2000> yes, I can contact him
[04:58] <leftyfb-> oh, those aren't owned by Canonical?
[04:58] <Turl> leftyfb-: James Troup works at canonical
[04:58] <newz2000> leftyfb-: are you part of the group that does spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org?
[04:59] <leftyfb-> nope
[04:59] <leftyfb-> like i said
[05:00] <leftyfb-> nope ... just help run the MA LoCo and the site was brought up at a couple of our meetings. i felt the need to come ask if we could get the spreadubuntu domain(s) pointed to a more appropriate site
[05:01] <newz2000> I would consider doing it. I think I'd want to talk to the team handling it first.
[05:01] <newz2000> I'll put it on my todo list for next week
[05:01] <leftyfb-> cool
[05:02] <leftyfb-> by team, you mean the team handling the http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org site right?
[05:02] <newz2000> yes
[05:04] <Turl> newz2000: how's the geo ip download system going?
[05:04] <newz2000> stalled
[05:04] <Turl> :/
[05:04] <newz2000> the drupal 6 upgrade took too long
[05:04] <newz2000> but it's still high on my todo list, I hope to work on it this summer
[05:04] <Turl> I'll have to wait until karmic then
[05:05] <newz2000> I have an idea...
[05:05] <newz2000> create a url such as www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download/latest-32bit.iso
[05:05] <leftyfb-> geo ip download?
[05:05] <newz2000> it would really be a php/drupal page that downloads the iso
[05:06] <newz2000> then people wouldn't need forms
[05:06] <Turl> leftyfb-: automatic mirror selection
[05:06] <newz2000> just links to the proper ISO file
[05:06] <leftyfb-> closer doesn't always mean faster
[05:06] <newz2000> that's true, automatic detection is very tricky
[05:07] <leftyfb-> i give out the MIT mirror all the time and people find it one of the fastest from anywhere in the world
[05:07] <Turl> leftyfb-: where are you in?
[05:07] <leftyfb-> MA :)
[05:07] <newz2000> :-)
[05:07] <newz2000> south america says that europe is faster than north america
[05:07] <Turl> and where's that? :p
[05:07] <leftyfb-> Massachusetts
[05:07] <newz2000> USA
[05:08] <newz2000> Boston is in MA
[05:08] <Turl> oh, I see
[05:08] <leftyfb-> or TN
[05:08] <leftyfb-> but mainly known for MA
[05:09] <Turl> here in south america you usually get high speeds on 1)mirrors in your country 2) Mirrors in very near countries 3) Mirrors in europe/usa
[05:09] <newz2000> Turl: where are you again?
[05:09] <Turl> newz2000: Argentina. The last country from top to bottom
[05:09] <leftyfb-> newz2000: what about using the same mechanism that the automatic/fastest mirror selection in the software sources tool uses?
[05:10] <Turl> leftyfb-: that would require users to run an app that does that.
[05:10] <newz2000> leftyfb-: I'll look into it but I don't think it's anything special
[05:10] <Turl> it pings all the servers and downloads from the less-latency ones
[05:10] <Turl> and checks speeds
[05:11] <leftyfb-> hm
[05:11] <newz2000> oh, I thought it was just country based with some dns tricks for countries without a mirror
[05:11] <leftyfb-> no
[05:11] <leftyfb-> it checks
[05:11] <leftyfb-> Turl is right
[05:11] <leftyfb-> didnt think about people not using ubuntu to download the iso
[05:11] <Turl> newz2000: ar.archive.ubuntu.com is in USA iirc. not even near argentina
[05:11] <newz2000> yeah, that's common
[05:11] <newz2000> Turl: are you in Beunos Aries?
[05:11] <Turl> leftyfb-: windows people download the ISO commonly
[05:11]  * newz2000 thinks we may have had this conversation before
[05:12] <Turl> newz2000: nope, on Rosario. But I used to leave near buenos aires (70km from there)
[05:12] <newz2000> I think I may be in Beunos Aries in a month or two
[05:13] <Turl> newz2000: it's "Buenos" :)
[05:13] <Turl> newz2000: do you speak some spanish?
[05:13] <newz2000> about 8 words
[05:13] <newz2000> :-) He leaves.
[05:14] <newz2000> :-)
[05:14] <newz2000> I know about 8 - 10 words of Spanish
[05:15] <Turl> sorry, pidgin crashed and this new indicator-applet is crap, I can't see if pidgin is running at a glance
[05:15] <Turl> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=es&geocode=&q=rosario,argentina&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=31.095668,86.660156&ie=UTF8&ll=-33.906896,-61.875&spn=8.129552,21.665039&z=6&iwloc=addr
[05:15] <Turl> see, I live in "Rosario"
[05:15] <newz2000> gotcha
[05:15] <Turl> and I used to live in "Campana"
[05:15] <Turl> the little dot under the road # 12
[05:16] <newz2000> I didn't realize Buenos Airies was so close to the water
[05:16] <Turl> it's just between Rosario and Buenos Aires
[05:16] <Turl> newz2000: Buenos Aires has docks and all that ;)
[05:16] <Turl> there are a lot of boats stopping there and whatelse
[05:17] <Turl> it's a very big place, has lots of containers near the river :P
[05:18] <Turl> newz2000: http://www.lsis.org/imsm07/gallery/images/Puerto%20Madero%201_jpg.jpg
[05:18] <Turl> http://www.mvl.gov.ar/sec_privada/img_lugares/puerto de Olivos.jpg
[05:18] <newz2000> I see
[05:19] <newz2000> Turl: do you have a day job?
[05:19] <Turl> newz2000: if you come, buy some "alfajores" and try "dulce de leche". You won't regret :)
[05:19] <newz2000> ok
[05:19] <Turl> newz2000: I'm 16, I'm doing 4th year of secondary school :)
[05:20] <Turl> here the last one is 5th, so it's still 2 years to go (+ university)
[05:21] <newz2000> Turl: if it makes you feel better I think my panel just crashed
[05:21] <newz2000> :-)
[05:21] <Turl> my pidgin crashed *again* :p
[05:21] <Turl> newz2000: on jaunty?
[05:21] <newz2000> yeah
[05:21] <leftyfb-> use a real irc client
[05:22] <Turl> leftyfb-: real irc clients don't have jabber+msn support
[05:22] <Turl> newz2000: did you install kerneloops ?
[05:22] <leftyfb-> i use carrier for IM's and xchat for IRC
[05:22] <newz2000> Turl: no
[05:23] <newz2000> leftyfb-: I stick to default ubuntu apps as much as possible
[05:23] <newz2000> dogfood and etc
[05:23] <Turl> newz2000: install it then. help kerneloops.org identify the most common kernel oops :)
[05:23] <newz2000> I don't think I've had a kernel oops in a long time
[05:23] <Turl> newz2000: I have one which appears every time I reboot :p it's related with my intel wifi
[05:23] <newz2000> definitely not since I switched to jaunty
[05:24] <leftyfb-> i would too if the pidgin devs weren't systematically destroying their project and alienating their users
[05:24] <Turl> leftyfb-: it's true, pidgin quality is decreasing
[05:24] <newz2000> leftyfb-: yeah, there was discussion to switch the default client to empathy, don't know where that went though
[05:24] <Turl> a friend uses this telepathy thing, I might switch too
[05:24] <Turl> empathy*
[05:25] <newz2000> the interesting thing about pidgin is that since the split it into a separate UI and library package more IM packages are coming out using the libpurple
[05:25] <Turl> newz2000: https://launchpad.net/cloudsession
[05:25] <leftyfb-> i like the idea of telepathy, but it's tough to switch from polished and feature rich applications to barebones and limitatiions
[05:25] <Turl> newz2000: the problem is, libpurple crashes sometimes :P
[05:26] <newz2000> yeah
[05:26] <newz2000> I run bip so that I'm always connected
[05:26] <newz2000> that's an interesting looking package (cloudsession)
[05:26] <leftyfb-> i run a BNC for that
[05:26] <Turl> bip? what's what?
[05:27] <newz2000> Turl: it's an IRC proxy
[05:27] <leftyfb-> hm
[05:27] <leftyfb-> loco wiki is broken
[05:27] <leftyfb-> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MassachusettsTeam
[05:27] <newz2000> it runs on a server and stays connected to IRC and then you connect to it as if it were your own private irc server
[05:27] <Turl> newz2000: that's a software I'm doing with a friend
[05:27] <newz2000> Turl: how far along are you?
[05:28] <Turl> newz2000: what do you mean with that?
[05:28] <leftyfb-> the trouble with remote management is NATing
[05:28] <newz2000> How much have you got done?
[05:28] <leftyfb-> only way to do it easy is with an online subscription service
[05:29] <leftyfb-> eg: gotomypc
[05:29] <Turl> newz2000: it can ping, screenshot on the 3 main OSes and shutdown on the 3 main OSes (shutting down is not still on the control UI, but should be easy to add)
[05:29] <leftyfb-> most people dont want to or know how to forward ports on a firewall
[05:30] <newz2000> Turl: when you get ready to release something let me know, I know some people who'd like to see it I think
[05:31] <Turl> newz2000: ok :)
[05:31] <Turl> the protocol itself is ready, the functionality is just missing (ie code to reboot, suspend, whatever)
[05:31] <leftyfb-> Turl: do you have any solutions/ideas for getting around NAT's transparently?
[05:32] <Turl> leftyfb-: this is a setup once-works forever thing. it's not suppoused to work around nat :P
[05:32] <leftyfb-> not sure i follow
[05:32] <Turl> but you can always use good old ssh to do that, if needed
[05:33] <Turl> leftyfb-: this is a software for, let's say, manage the 30 pcs on an IT lab, on an office, or why not, at home
[05:34] <leftyfb-> landscape
[05:34] <Turl> but it's not something you would send a friend to fix him a problem
[05:34] <newz2000> landscape doesn't do screen sharing
[05:35] <leftyfb-> how would cloudsession do screen sharing through NAT?
[05:35] <leftyfb-> how would cloudsession do screen sharing through NAT?
[05:35] <newz2000> ah, my panel came back
[05:35] <leftyfb-> you need to open ports or ssh a reverse ssh tunnel
[05:35] <Turl> leftyfb-: you open a port on your router and that's it :P
[05:35] <newz2000> wow, it's 1:35am in Argentina
[05:35] <leftyfb-> ok, so this isn't for the average user
[05:36] <Turl> leftyfb-: nope, as I said if for special needs
[05:36] <newz2000> there is some way that clients can open ports on routers, I've seen games do it.
[05:36] <newz2000> Maybe using UPnP
[05:36] <Turl> or for the home user who has 2+ pcs
[05:36] <leftyfb-> upnp
[05:36] <Turl> newz2000: that's true too
[05:36] <leftyfb-> most routers dont enable it by default
[05:36] <Turl> I might implement it in the future
[05:37] <Turl> leftyfb-: I don't even know if my crappy one supports that :p
[05:37] <leftyfb-> canonical needs to open up landscape to the average user and make a centralized service for remote desktop management
[05:38] <leftyfb-> so many people ask for something like remote desktop/gotomypc on ubuntui
[05:38] <newz2000> vino
[05:38] <Turl> leftyfb-: that exists and it's called vinagre/vino
[05:38] <leftyfb-> nope
[05:38] <Turl> leftyfb-: combine that with hamachi and it's done :)
[05:38] <leftyfb-> without opening ports
[05:38] <leftyfb-> transparent
[05:38] <Turl> well, I have to leave
[05:39] <leftyfb-> it wouldn't be that hard to implement....
[05:40] <leftyfb-> use a combination of reverse ssh with their centralized server and x11vnc on the target desktop
[05:40] <newz2000> see you later Turl
[05:40] <Turl> leftyfb-: hamachi does best ;)
[05:40] <leftyfb-> they could even make pgp keys easy by making them little ID cards with avatars
[05:40] <Turl> see you!
[05:42] <leftyfb-> hamachi is not user friendly
[05:44] <leftyfb-> welp, bedtime...
[05:44] <leftyfb-> thanks for considering the use of the domain name newz2000
[05:44] <newz2000> ;-) catch you later leftyfb-
[05:45] <leftyfb-> i hope it gets worked out... it'd raise the awareness of the site and give loCo's a centralized place to share marketing material