[04:44] hello? [04:47] hi leftyfb- [04:48] does anyone here run the official ubuntu website/domains? [04:49] leftyfb-: yep. newz2000 is in charge of ubuntu.com and the wikis iirc [04:49] * newz2000 also blogs about pizza sometimes too [04:50] hi there newz2000 [04:50] hello [04:50] newz2000: what kind of pizza? you made me feel hungry :P [04:50] Well, tonight I was actually blogging about cutting pizza [04:50] Was wondering if you guys had any future plans for spreadubuntu beyond just forwarding it to the main page? [04:51] http://is.gd/qEjA Turl [04:51] leftyfb-: I don't have any plans for it [04:51] this is kind of a community effort [04:52] Have you considered pointing it to the rapidly growing and popular "spread ubuntu" effort going on over at http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org [04:53] newz2000: good pizzalistic ideas :) [04:53] it's making me hungry too [04:54] leftyfb-: is there more than one spread ubuntu effort? [04:54] leftyfb-: didn't know that site, seems a good one - and it's even in my native language! :) [04:54] newz2000: not that i know of [04:55] leftyfb-: last I heard the spread ubuntu efforts were being run by the #ubuntu-marketing team [04:55] I think that's probably a good place for it [04:55] it'd make things a lot easier to find that one if we could just use spreadubuntu.com/org [04:55] If help is needed with the web specific aspects those topics could be discussed through this group... we have numerous drupal experts [04:56] I see what you're asking now [04:56] well, i dont run the site. Just saw the need to make it easier to find and raise awareness [04:56] I didn't even know that domain was registered [04:57] com/org/net [04:57] all point to the main site [04:57] kinda pointless [04:57] leftyfb-: are you part of the ubuntu-marketing team? [04:57] nope ... just help run the MA LoCo and the site was brought up at a couple of our meetings [04:58] newz2000: they are registered by James Troup, maybe he can contact him? [04:58] yes, I can contact him [04:58] oh, those aren't owned by Canonical? [04:58] leftyfb-: James Troup works at canonical [04:58] leftyfb-: are you part of the group that does spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org? [04:59] nope [04:59] like i said [05:00] nope ... just help run the MA LoCo and the site was brought up at a couple of our meetings. i felt the need to come ask if we could get the spreadubuntu domain(s) pointed to a more appropriate site [05:01] I would consider doing it. I think I'd want to talk to the team handling it first. [05:01] I'll put it on my todo list for next week [05:01] cool [05:02] by team, you mean the team handling the http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org site right? [05:02] yes [05:04] newz2000: how's the geo ip download system going? [05:04] stalled [05:04] :/ [05:04] the drupal 6 upgrade took too long [05:04] but it's still high on my todo list, I hope to work on it this summer [05:04] I'll have to wait until karmic then [05:05] I have an idea... [05:05] create a url such as www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download/latest-32bit.iso [05:05] geo ip download? [05:05] it would really be a php/drupal page that downloads the iso [05:06] then people wouldn't need forms [05:06] leftyfb-: automatic mirror selection [05:06] just links to the proper ISO file [05:06] closer doesn't always mean faster [05:06] that's true, automatic detection is very tricky [05:07] i give out the MIT mirror all the time and people find it one of the fastest from anywhere in the world [05:07] leftyfb-: where are you in? [05:07] MA :) [05:07] :-) [05:07] south america says that europe is faster than north america [05:07] and where's that? :p [05:07] Massachusetts [05:07] USA [05:08] Boston is in MA [05:08] oh, I see [05:08] or TN [05:08] but mainly known for MA [05:09] here in south america you usually get high speeds on 1)mirrors in your country 2) Mirrors in very near countries 3) Mirrors in europe/usa [05:09] Turl: where are you again? [05:09] newz2000: Argentina. The last country from top to bottom [05:09] newz2000: what about using the same mechanism that the automatic/fastest mirror selection in the software sources tool uses? [05:10] leftyfb-: that would require users to run an app that does that. [05:10] leftyfb-: I'll look into it but I don't think it's anything special [05:10] it pings all the servers and downloads from the less-latency ones [05:10] and checks speeds [05:11] hm [05:11] oh, I thought it was just country based with some dns tricks for countries without a mirror [05:11] no [05:11] it checks [05:11] Turl is right [05:11] didnt think about people not using ubuntu to download the iso [05:11] newz2000: ar.archive.ubuntu.com is in USA iirc. not even near argentina [05:11] yeah, that's common [05:11] Turl: are you in Beunos Aries? [05:11] leftyfb-: windows people download the ISO commonly [05:11] * newz2000 thinks we may have had this conversation before [05:12] newz2000: nope, on Rosario. But I used to leave near buenos aires (70km from there) [05:12] I think I may be in Beunos Aries in a month or two [05:13] newz2000: it's "Buenos" :) [05:13] newz2000: do you speak some spanish? [05:13] about 8 words [05:13] :-) He leaves. [05:14] :-) [05:14] I know about 8 - 10 words of Spanish [05:15] sorry, pidgin crashed and this new indicator-applet is crap, I can't see if pidgin is running at a glance [05:15] http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=es&geocode=&q=rosario,argentina&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=31.095668,86.660156&ie=UTF8&ll=-33.906896,-61.875&spn=8.129552,21.665039&z=6&iwloc=addr [05:15] see, I live in "Rosario" [05:15] gotcha [05:15] and I used to live in "Campana" [05:15] the little dot under the road # 12 [05:16] I didn't realize Buenos Airies was so close to the water [05:16] it's just between Rosario and Buenos Aires [05:16] newz2000: Buenos Aires has docks and all that ;) [05:16] there are a lot of boats stopping there and whatelse [05:17] it's a very big place, has lots of containers near the river :P [05:18] newz2000: http://www.lsis.org/imsm07/gallery/images/Puerto%20Madero%201_jpg.jpg [05:18] http://www.mvl.gov.ar/sec_privada/img_lugares/puerto de Olivos.jpg [05:18] I see [05:19] Turl: do you have a day job? [05:19] newz2000: if you come, buy some "alfajores" and try "dulce de leche". You won't regret :) [05:19] ok [05:19] newz2000: I'm 16, I'm doing 4th year of secondary school :) [05:20] here the last one is 5th, so it's still 2 years to go (+ university) [05:21] Turl: if it makes you feel better I think my panel just crashed [05:21] :-) [05:21] my pidgin crashed *again* :p [05:21] newz2000: on jaunty? [05:21] yeah [05:21] use a real irc client [05:22] leftyfb-: real irc clients don't have jabber+msn support [05:22] newz2000: did you install kerneloops ? [05:22] i use carrier for IM's and xchat for IRC [05:22] Turl: no [05:23] leftyfb-: I stick to default ubuntu apps as much as possible [05:23] dogfood and etc [05:23] newz2000: install it then. help kerneloops.org identify the most common kernel oops :) [05:23] I don't think I've had a kernel oops in a long time [05:23] newz2000: I have one which appears every time I reboot :p it's related with my intel wifi [05:23] definitely not since I switched to jaunty [05:24] i would too if the pidgin devs weren't systematically destroying their project and alienating their users [05:24] leftyfb-: it's true, pidgin quality is decreasing [05:24] leftyfb-: yeah, there was discussion to switch the default client to empathy, don't know where that went though [05:24] a friend uses this telepathy thing, I might switch too [05:24] empathy* [05:25] the interesting thing about pidgin is that since the split it into a separate UI and library package more IM packages are coming out using the libpurple [05:25] newz2000: https://launchpad.net/cloudsession [05:25] i like the idea of telepathy, but it's tough to switch from polished and feature rich applications to barebones and limitatiions [05:25] newz2000: the problem is, libpurple crashes sometimes :P [05:26] yeah [05:26] I run bip so that I'm always connected [05:26] that's an interesting looking package (cloudsession) [05:26] i run a BNC for that [05:26] bip? what's what? [05:27] Turl: it's an IRC proxy [05:27] hm [05:27] loco wiki is broken [05:27] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MassachusettsTeam [05:27] it runs on a server and stays connected to IRC and then you connect to it as if it were your own private irc server [05:27] newz2000: that's a software I'm doing with a friend [05:27] Turl: how far along are you? [05:28] newz2000: what do you mean with that? [05:28] the trouble with remote management is NATing [05:28] How much have you got done? [05:28] only way to do it easy is with an online subscription service [05:29] eg: gotomypc [05:29] newz2000: it can ping, screenshot on the 3 main OSes and shutdown on the 3 main OSes (shutting down is not still on the control UI, but should be easy to add) [05:29] most people dont want to or know how to forward ports on a firewall [05:30] Turl: when you get ready to release something let me know, I know some people who'd like to see it I think [05:31] newz2000: ok :) [05:31] the protocol itself is ready, the functionality is just missing (ie code to reboot, suspend, whatever) [05:31] Turl: do you have any solutions/ideas for getting around NAT's transparently? [05:32] leftyfb-: this is a setup once-works forever thing. it's not suppoused to work around nat :P [05:32] not sure i follow [05:32] but you can always use good old ssh to do that, if needed [05:33] leftyfb-: this is a software for, let's say, manage the 30 pcs on an IT lab, on an office, or why not, at home [05:34] landscape [05:34] but it's not something you would send a friend to fix him a problem [05:34] landscape doesn't do screen sharing [05:35] how would cloudsession do screen sharing through NAT? [05:35] how would cloudsession do screen sharing through NAT? [05:35] ah, my panel came back [05:35] you need to open ports or ssh a reverse ssh tunnel [05:35] leftyfb-: you open a port on your router and that's it :P [05:35] wow, it's 1:35am in Argentina [05:35] ok, so this isn't for the average user [05:36] leftyfb-: nope, as I said if for special needs [05:36] there is some way that clients can open ports on routers, I've seen games do it. [05:36] Maybe using UPnP [05:36] or for the home user who has 2+ pcs [05:36] upnp [05:36] newz2000: that's true too [05:36] most routers dont enable it by default [05:36] I might implement it in the future [05:37] leftyfb-: I don't even know if my crappy one supports that :p [05:37] canonical needs to open up landscape to the average user and make a centralized service for remote desktop management [05:38] so many people ask for something like remote desktop/gotomypc on ubuntui [05:38] vino [05:38] leftyfb-: that exists and it's called vinagre/vino [05:38] nope [05:38] leftyfb-: combine that with hamachi and it's done :) [05:38] without opening ports [05:38] transparent [05:38] well, I have to leave [05:39] it wouldn't be that hard to implement.... [05:40] use a combination of reverse ssh with their centralized server and x11vnc on the target desktop [05:40] see you later Turl [05:40] leftyfb-: hamachi does best ;) [05:40] they could even make pgp keys easy by making them little ID cards with avatars [05:40] see you! [05:42] hamachi is not user friendly [05:44] welp, bedtime... [05:44] thanks for considering the use of the domain name newz2000 [05:44] ;-) catch you later leftyfb- [05:45] i hope it gets worked out... it'd raise the awareness of the site and give loCo's a centralized place to share marketing material