[00:40] <jjesse> dtchen: this is from my dell e6500: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=931d7717ddf02556b2498ec070be3a65552bd260
[00:40] <jjesse> still no sound on that one :(
[00:40] <jjesse> dtchen: not even headphones
[00:40] <jjesse> sorry about misleading you
[00:43] <dtchen> jjesse: i'll ping/dent you a test kernel later this weekend
[00:43] <jjesse> dtchen: thansk sorry for misleadeading you about it being fixed on my other dell, i thought it was
[00:44] <dtchen> jjesse: that's ok, comments are easily modified
[01:04] <kady> Anyone can take a look at KDE auto logging out on Jackalope ?
[01:05] <kady> I've tried this in two machines and KDE seems to think that logout is called when initializing KDE
[01:05] <ScottK> Working fine here.  Odd.
[01:06] <kady> Yeah I don't think this is usual
[01:06] <kady> granted I have heard people complain in #kubuntu that as soon as they login they get the login screen again
[01:06] <kady> Which I get if I put this hard drive in the computer with the ATI card
[01:07] <kady> if I keep it in the one with the SiS card it kicks me to the console
[01:07] <kady> X dies and KDM is not propmpted to restart so the process stays up but does nothing
[01:07] <kady> No errors
[01:07] <ScottK> What video do you have?
[01:07] <kady> well lots of errors but none seem germane to the problem
[01:07] <kady> ScottK: What do you mean?
[01:08] <ScottK> Intel video drivers are really bad this cycle, so I'm wondering if you get a kdm crash or something due to bad X problems.
[01:09] <kady> KDM doesn't crash. It seems to be running fine
[01:09]  * ScottK is just speculating
[01:09] <ScottK> OK
[01:09] <kady> (too fine)
[01:09] <kady> X dies but doesn't seem to die for any particualr reason
[01:10] <kady> Which kinda leads me to think that When KDE logs in it instantly logs out
[01:10] <kady> since X has no long lived process to keep xinit alive it does
[01:10] <ScottK> X crashing might do it
[01:10] <kady> dies
[01:11] <kady> X never throws an error though
[01:12] <kady> KDE throws lots of errors but none that seem fatal
[01:13] <kady> I'm going to take a shower now but I can pastebin /var/log/messages and Xorg.0.log and ~/.xsession-errors if anyone wants to try help track this down
[01:13] <kady> ScottK: Oh if I start X and KDE manually it works fine
[01:16] <ScottK> Probably better wait for someone that knows more than me about such stuff.
[01:17] <kady> Ok I'll pastebin anyway
[01:17] <kady>  /var/log/messages: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m7be7a3e0
[01:18] <kady>  /var/log/Xorg.0.log: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m26e75ecd
[01:18] <kady> ~/.xsession-errors: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m625bcd16
[01:18] <kady>  off to shower and I'll be back
[01:20] <kady> ScottK: If you take a look at the last thing for each session it seems that KDE simply does a valid logout in xsession-errors I may be reading it wrong but that's what I see happening
[01:50] <kady> Hmm have to go out for a little after a phone call but I'll be back soon :)
[04:21] <kady> ok back
[04:21] <kady> hi jjesse
[12:10] <rgl> hi
[12:10] <rgl> does 9.04 use qt 4.5?
[12:13] <freeflying> rgl: yes
[12:13] <rgl> oh it does.  I've missed that part on the https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JauntyJackalope/Alpha6/Kubuntu#Qt 4.5 *G*
[12:13] <rgl> thx!
[12:14] <freeflying> np
[13:23] <mcas> hi
[13:23] <neversfelde> hi  mcas
[13:23] <mcas> can anyone tell me if the translations of kubuntu-docs have the language-pack-deadline or non-language-pack?
[13:38] <blizzz> is there a package with docs (class reference) for kde (esp. plasma)?
[13:38] <smarter> http://api.kde.org
[13:38] <blizzz> smarter: for offline access :)
[13:38] <smarter> no idea then
[13:39] <smarter> just download the sources, the doc is in the .h files :)
[13:40] <blizzz>  i think i'd rather download the website then, seems more usable for reading than browsing header files
[13:51] <neversfelde> any images, that need to be tested atm?
[14:05] <smarter> blizzz: you can recreate the website from the sources
[14:06] <smarter> blizzz: look for doxygen or apidocs on http://techbase.kde.org, there is instruction for that
[14:10] <blizzz> smarter: i simply used wget
[14:28] <cortex_sk> hi guys i think there is a typo in https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/kubuntu-docs/+pots/files-and-docs/sk/16/+translate
[14:28] <cortex_sk> ..Dolphin</application> sports(supports) the use of tabs ..
[14:59] <milian> there seems to be a packaging error in the KDE 4.2.2 packages for intrepid, /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindKdepimLibs.cmake in package kdelib5-dev is still looking in /usr/lib/KdepimLibs-4.2.0
[14:59] <milian> which is of course wrong, it should be /usr/lib/KdepimLibs-4.2.2
[14:59] <milian> I'm not sure where exactle that error is
[15:10] <joshjtl> anyone know of a simple sound recorder app for kde?
[15:10] <smarter_> kwave
[15:10] <freinhard> milian: my kdepuimlibs are lying in /usr/lib/ no subdir and all of them got 4.2.0 in their name.
[15:11] <milian> freinhard: strange... I got a KdepimLibs-4.2.2 folder - are you running on KDE 4.2.2 ?
[15:11] <freinhard> right, but on jaunty. maybe that's the difference
[15:12] <milian> hmm still if you are running 4.2.2 and the libs got 4.2.0 in their name it does feel kinda strange - no?
[15:13] <freinhard> nope, if the libs didn't get any updates, why rename them?
[15:13] <milian> hm true
[15:14] <freinhard> but maybe that's just a bug. i dunno ;)
[15:14] <milian> freinhard: ah - actually it's not the libs in that folder, it's only some cmake makros
[15:14] <milian> i.e. /usr/lib/libkdepim* <-- find some
[15:14] <milian> but: /usr/lib/KdepimLibs-4.2.2/cmake/ <-- some *.cmake files
[15:15] <joshjtl> how do i find out where my mic is? i need to set it up with kwave
[15:15] <milian> and _those_ I did not find (was trying to build konversation for kde4)
[15:19] <freinhard> joshjtl: got so much possibilities where you can plug in your microphone?
[15:21] <joshjtl> freinhard: its a built in (laptop)
[15:22] <freinhard> so you should have only one option (except you got a modem or somehting built in)
[15:22] <freinhard> btw kwave is still built for 4.2.1
[15:23] <joshjtl> freinhard: how do i find out what kubuntu set my mic up as, or how i should set it up
[15:23] <joshjtl> freinhard: same thing in audacity...
[15:24] <freinhard> joshjtl: i don't undestand which information you are missing.
[15:24] <joshjtl> freinhard: i want to know what device (if any) kubuntu set my mic up as
[15:27] <freinhard> joshjtl: so you got multiple choices in kwave? plugin your mike, babble intoit and watch the bar at the bottom of the configuration dialog.
[15:28] <joshjtl> freinhard: nothing :(
[15:41] <mcas> can anyone tell me if the translations of kubuntu-docs have the language-pack-deadline or non-language-pack?
[16:52] <joshjtl> as far kde 4 goes, whats the status in intrepid?
[16:55] <ScottK> mcas: Translations get updated post release, so it's still worth doing regardless of which deadline applies.
[16:56] <ScottK> joshjtl: For Intrepid we released with 4.1.2, have 4.1.4 in intrepid-updates, also backported 4.2.0 in intrepid-backports, and 4.2.2 is in the kubuntu-experimental PPA.
[16:59] <joshjtl> ScottK: how is 4.2.2 running on intrepid? I'm running back to intrepid because there are too many things that dont work on my machine
[16:59] <ScottK> Dunno.  The 4.2.0 backport is the last KDE I ran on Intrepid.
[17:00] <joshjtl> well i guess ill find out
[17:01] <mcas> ScottK: thx
[17:58] <a|wen> hi
[18:22] <ScottK> a|wen: Hi
[18:22] <ScottK> a|wen: You're just the person I was looking for.
[18:22]  * a|wen waves to ScottK
[18:23] <ScottK> a|wen: If you look at Debian Bug #522599 you'll see a dvi inverse search fix that's in kile's svn.
[18:23] <ScottK> If we can get inverse dvi search working in kile, then we can remove kdvi.
[18:24] <ScottK> a|wen: Any chance you could look into that?
[18:25] <a|wen> ScottK: that revision is already cherry-picked from upstream svn
[18:25] <ScottK> a|wen: So we have working inverse dvi search?
[18:25] <a|wen> i haven't tested it... but i can try
[18:26] <ScottK> a|wen: Please do.  I rescued kdvi from KDE3 kdegraphics because of that one feature.  It'd be cool if wew can kill it.
[18:28] <a|wen> ScottK: is it together with okular that it is supposed to work?
[18:32] <ScottK> a|wen: I don't know.  I didn't know it was supposed to do that until I read the bug.
[18:34] <kady> ScottK: Hello
[18:34] <ScottK> kady: Hello.
[18:34] <kady> ScottK: It was KDM stopping me from logging in
[18:34] <ScottK> Did you figure out why?
[18:35] <kady> It didn't like the video card
[18:35] <kady> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m48c8de1d
[18:36] <a|wen> ScottK: inverse dvi search (the --line thing) works in kile now ... but i'm not sure which programs support that search feature
[18:36] <ScottK> Dunno
[18:37] <ScottK> kady: Looks like you need to report a X bug.  I think somewhere in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X is tells you what to provied.
[18:37] <kady> ok
[18:37] <kady> ScottK: That's a nice page
[18:40] <kady> ScottK: Is it still an X issue if X works?
[18:40] <a|wen> ScottK: according to that okular documentation it is supported there
[18:40] <ScottK> Nott sure.
[18:40] <ScottK> a|wen: I'd try that then.
[18:40] <ScottK> It wasn't (I don't think) in 4.1.
[18:41] <a|wen> no, i think you're right
[18:43] <a|wen> at least i heard some "missing feature compared to 3.5/kdvi" in regards with that
[18:46] <ScottK> So if it's in 4.2, that's a good time to drop kdvi
[18:53] <a|wen> ScottK: the manual says so; and the options are in the okular option dialog
[18:54] <ScottK> Including inverse?
[18:56] <a|wen> it has the option to choose which program to use for the inverse search
[18:59] <ScottK> And you can use kile for that then?
[18:59] <ScottK> If so, would you please file a removal bug for kdvi?
[19:02] <a|wen> the tricky part is if kile does the right "marking" of the dvi files, hmm
[19:03] <kady> Question :) When downloading Konqueror/the http:kio knows the type of file. Am I wrong on that?
[19:16] <a|wen> ScottK: it works in okular with dvi files :)
[19:16]  * a|wen goes removal request filing
[19:16] <ScottK> a|wen: Great.
[19:18] <joshjtl> hey folks, anyone get plasma widget stasks to run on Intrepid?
[19:23] <a|wen> ScottK: bug 355781
[19:25] <ScottK> a|wen: Since it's in Universe you can confirm it and subscribe the archive admins.
[19:26] <a|wen> ScottK: of course :) just wanted to check if you had anything to add
[19:26] <ScottK> a|wen: Looks good to me.
[19:26] <ScottK> a|wen: I'd give it a 9.04 milestone
[19:27] <a|wen> done
[19:27] <ScottK> Great.  Thanks.
[19:40] <kady> Question :) When downloading Konqueror/the http:/kio knows the type of file. Am I wrong on that?
[19:42] <a|wen> kady: the server tells the http-kio slave which filetype it is (or it should tell it)
[19:43] <kady> a|wen: Would it be possible since we have XDG directories to redirect the directory based on the file type?
[19:44] <a|wen> kady: i'm not quite sure what you mean?
[19:44] <kady> a|wen: Konqueror already has in the filetypes a grouping for certain flie types
[19:45] <kady>  Like all audio files or all image files
[19:45] <a|wen> yes...
[19:45] <kady> If we are getting something from a server and we are prompted to save as or to open an app it chooses and appropriate application
[19:45] <kady> If we choose save as can we get it to choose an appropriate directory ?
[19:46] <kady> Instead of always going to Documents?
[19:47] <a|wen> kady: to be honest, i don't think that is implemented in konqueror as it is now
[19:48] <kady> Ok I'll go find out :)
[19:55] <joshjtl> hey folks, anyone get plasma widget stasks to run on Intrepid?
[19:58] <Quintasan> joshjtl: you can try my package
[19:58] <joshjtl> Quintasan: ok whats the url?
[19:58] <joshjtl> does anyone know why firefox isnt using kde look in intrepid?
[19:58] <Quintasan> http://ppa.launchpad.net/quintasan/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/p/plasma-widget-stasks/
[19:59] <joshjtl> thx
[19:59] <Quintasan> joshjtl: use QtCurve to make firefox look like rest of KDE
[19:59]  * Quintasan is off for a bit
[20:00] <a|wen> Quintasan: thanks for the basket packaging ... works well :)
[20:00] <joshjtl> Quintasan: yeah even with yours i get dep problems
[20:02] <joshjtl> Quintasan: to use qtcurve with firefox do I need to install gtk2-engines-qtcurve?
[20:06] <a|wen> joshjtl: if i remember correctly, then that should be the one
[20:06] <joshjtl> ok
[20:06] <a|wen> joshjtl: and you need to restart your session afterwards
[20:07] <joshjtl> a|wen: firefox session, or kde session?
[20:07] <a|wen> kde
[20:07] <joshjtl> k thx
[20:14] <Quintasan> a|wen: good to hear :D
[20:14] <Quintasan> joshjtl: what dep problems?
[20:15] <joshjtl> Quintasan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/145086/
[20:15] <joshjtl> those
[20:16] <Quintasan> joshjtl: hmm qt version :/
[20:18] <joshjtl> sad
[20:20] <joshjtl> Quintasan: qtcurve doesnt look like oxygen at all
[20:21] <Quintasan> joshjtl: You dont do it like this
[20:21] <joshjtl> huh?
[20:21] <Quintasan> in Appearance
[20:21] <joshjtl> yeah, then gtk styles and fonts right?
[20:21] <Quintasan> go to GTK Styles and Fonts -> Use Another Style: QtCurve
[20:21] <joshjtl> yeah i did
[20:22] <joshjtl> Quintasan: was i supposed to have installed gtk2-engines-qtcurve ?
[20:22] <Quintasan> install qtcurve package
[20:23] <joshjtl> Quintasan: i did but i also installed gtk2-engines-qtcurve... was that right?
[20:23] <Quintasan> yeah
[20:23] <Quintasan> It works for me
[20:23] <joshjtl> weird
[20:23] <joshjtl> i mean it works... but it doesnt look like oxygen
[20:24] <Quintasan> I have oxygen as mine theme for kde and QtCurve for gtk apps
[20:24] <joshjtl> weird
[20:24] <joshjtl> i mean it looks better than nothing but...
[20:24] <joshjtl> not at all like oxygen :(
[20:26] <joshjtl> Quintasan: youre running jaunty or intrepid
[20:26] <Quintasan> jaunty
[20:26] <joshjtl> oh im running intrepid
[20:29] <Quintasan> but that shouldnt be a problem
[20:29] <Quintasan> you can always try qtcurve from jaunty :P
[20:38] <valgaav> since jaunty update to 4.2.2 when clicking on kickoff the text cursor is no longer focused on the search bar
[20:38] <valgaav> is it a known issue ?
[20:38] <kady> valgaav: you noticed as well?
[20:39] <valgaav> yes I use the search  quite a lot :) so it's known then I guess ... is it upstream ?
[20:43] <kady> I guess. I switched out to lancelot a long time ago I just happened to see that it didn't focus anymore
[20:43]  * kady eggs valgaav on to try lancelot :)
[20:43] <Quintasan> valgaav: or try raptor :P
[20:43] <valgaav> I like kickoff though :)
[20:45] <Quintasan> valgaav: it's upstream
[20:45] <Quintasan> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=188655
[20:45] <a|wen> valgaav: very annoying issue ... bug 354059 and upstream already
[20:48] <Quintasan> well, I'm off guys, good night
[20:50] <a|wen> nn Quintasan
[20:52] <valgaav> night
[20:56] <blizzz> how well does the network manager applet work with mobile broadband connections? on a ride share today, there was a guy with such device. he offered me to test it, however it did not quite work. though he gave me all needed information, the applet did not (or showed) no connection. curiously, a blinking led of that device said "hey, i got umts-connection". but neither i could ping google nor ifconfig (or anything else) gave an active
[20:56] <blizzz> connection. on his xp and gnome it worked without any problem.
[20:57] <a|wen> proposed patch for bug 224461 improved... please everybody test the kdebase-workspace package in kubuntu-experimental
[21:12] <neversfelde> ah, my debian/changelog is a symlink :) "libbilbokblog-dev: debian-changelog-file-is-a-symlink". Can someone explain to me, what that means, how could it be and what to do?
[21:12] <neversfelde> I am not sure about that lintian message
[21:13] <ScottK> Multiple binary CDBS package?
[21:13] <neversfelde> ScottK: mhh, I think so
[21:14] <neversfelde> I tried to split a lib from the main package
[21:14] <ScottK> If so, don't worry.  Ubuntu has a CDBS change that does that to save CD space.  As long as the package with the symlink depends on the one with the actual file you can ignore it.
[21:15] <a|wen> ScottK: is it a pure cdbs feature to create those symlinks?
[21:15] <neversfelde> oh, yes it does, the lib is without that message, only main package and lib-dev
[21:15] <neversfelde> ScottK: thanks
[21:15] <ScottK> a|wen: Yes.  And an Ubuntu unique one at that.
[21:16]  * a|wen shuffles bug 321404 over to cdbs
[21:17] <neversfelde> if the lib is a fork of another lib, do I have to mention the authors and copyrighzt of original lib in debian/copyright. Or is it enough it upstream does this?
[21:17] <ScottK> neversfelde: You need to mention everything upstream does.
[21:17] <ScottK> It's ~ OK to skip minor copyright holders.
[21:18] <ScottK> All licenses MUST be in debian/copyright.
[21:18] <neversfelde> ok, than I will have to do a lot^^ Thanks ScottK
[21:48] <claydoh> neversfelde: bilbo blogger is nice, thanks for the packages ;)
[21:48] <claydoh> too bad blogger.com doesn't support image uploading, etc
[21:48] <neversfelde> claydoh: new ones are currently building and they seem to be at least lintian clean
[21:49] <claydoh> I compiled it myself before noticing the repo :)
[21:49]  * neversfelde learned to much packaging and to little law today :)
[21:49]  * claydoh thinks maybe he should change his blog platform
[21:50] <neversfelde> claydoh: I switched to wordpress, it is awesome. s9y was too, but you can't use bilbo and co with it
[22:29] <joshjtl> Quintasan: what packages do I need to be able to build stasks from source?
[22:35] <joshjtl> Quintasan: are you there?