[00:00] <Debugged> Hey i am running 9.04 beta and just did a large auto update when it rebooted my login username / pw box is stuck in like hebrew and changing the local from the options selection in bottom left does not help any ideas?
[00:01] <Debugged> locale*
[00:02] <aboSamoor> :-D I was trying to fix my mic for more than 2 weeks, it was not working :(. A friend suggested to remove pulseaudio. I made that even I was not convinced. The surprise that the mic was working out of the box !!!. Now I am with the campaign to remove pulseaudio from ubuntu
[00:03] <bruce89> aboSamoor: not again
[00:05] <SeViLLa> does anyone else
[00:06] <bruce89> SeViLLa: read minds?
[00:06] <SeViLLa> does anyone else get the output development brach from lsb_release
[00:07] <SeViLLa> bruce89: how about you
[00:07] <bruce89> yes
[00:07] <bruce89> SeViLLa: however, that is not a bug
[00:07] <aboSamoor> bruce89: what do you mean ? I still have my laptop with a mic problem, it is supposed that the alsa driver has a bug 278648. However, I will try to remove pulseaudio to see what happens
[00:07] <SeViLLa> bruce89: does your gui work
[00:08] <bruce89> SeViLLa: currently, it is
[00:09] <SeViLLa> bruce89: did driver support for the older ati rv250 cards get droped
[00:09] <Raylz> hi, i have to execute an autostart script with root rights, where to put it?
[00:09] <bruce89> SeViLLa: I haven't a clue
[00:09] <SeViLLa> bruce89: my gui is not working
[00:09] <Raylz> is there some init script like local where i can put my own code?
[00:14]  * DanaG happens to LIKE pulseaudio.  =þ
[00:14] <bruce89> as do I
[00:17] <aboSamoor> DanaG: I really what is the advantage of such system ?
[00:17]  * maco likes pulseaudio too
[00:17] <maco> aboSamoor: of pulse?
[00:17] <DanaG> I can switch audio between two devices on the fly, as well as over the network -- though the network feature is broken in 0.9.15.
[00:17] <aboSamoor> maco: yes
[00:18] <maco> per-application volume levels, can have some applications going through headset (say, for VOIP) while music is comng through speakers, can move a stream from one device to another without the application playing it even noticing
[00:18] <dtchen> aboSamoor: pulseaudio has nothing to do with that - we've debugged that far already, remember?
[00:18] <dtchen> aboSamoor: it's a clear regression in jack sense
[00:18] <maco> dtchen: DanaG?
[00:19] <DanaG> I'm using the 0.9.15 PPA.
[00:19] <DanaG> It gives "protocol error, kicking client", and such.
[00:19] <maco> dtchen: are you talking to DanaG or aboSamoor?
[00:19] <kady> Hallo
[00:20] <aboSamoor> dtchen: the problem that I want to try anything that I can do. Two months ago it was not important to me, nowadays I am outside my country and i want to talk to family.
[00:20] <kady> trying to figure out an X issue
[00:20] <kady> I moved my hard drive to a new machine with an ATI card and when I try to login to KDE KDM simply restarts
[00:21] <kady> On the machine I took it from (a SiS video card) X dies but KDM doesn't restart
[00:21] <maco> how new's the ATI card?
[00:21] <aboSamoor> dtchen: I have desktop in the work, and the problem was not solved till I removed pulseaudio
[00:21] <maco> and are ATI drivers installed yet?
[00:21] <kady> 9600 Po
[00:21] <kady> pro
[00:22] <kady> maco: if by ATI drivers you mean the fglrx then no
[00:22] <bruce89> removing stuff just means it will never work
[00:22] <kady> this was installed on the SiS machine and the hard drive simply removed and placed in the other machine to see how X/KDM would respond
[00:22] <maco> i dont know model numbers. looking for answers like "5 years" "2 months" etc
[00:23] <kady> maco: 3 years
[00:23] <maco> ok so old enough that drivers exist
[00:23] <kady> from before AMD bought ATI
[00:23] <kady> Yes easily
[00:23] <Debugged> i will ask again in case everyone missed my question
[00:23] <Debugged> Hi everyone i am running 9.04 beta and just did a large auto update to all the latest pkgs, when it rebooted my login user & pass box is stuck in a hebrew like language and changing the locale setting from the options selection in bottom left does not affect the input box language, anyone have any ideas?
[00:23] <maco> kady: try installing fglrx stuff from command line?
[00:24] <kady> Debugged: learn Hebrew
[00:24] <maco> *snort*
[00:24] <Exilant> :d
[00:24] <kady> maco: Not a solution the hard drive is meant for the SiS machine
[00:24] <maco> kady: why's that not a solution?  you can have unused drivers installed
[00:24] <kady> regardless X relying on closed source drivers to allow things running a bash script seems a little out of the way
[00:24] <maco> then when you login, X will  just use whichever one it needs at the time
[00:25] <maco> you could go with "safe graphics mode" and tell it to use vesa
[00:25] <maco> what do you mean "things like running a bash script"?
[00:25] <kady> maco: 10 to 2 it won't work
[00:25] <maco> if youre logging in at KDM, you're logging into X
[00:25] <Debugged> amusing but not helpful :P
[00:25] <maco> you can run bash scripts in the console..
[00:25] <kady> maco: X is dying because it sees the desktop environment as logged out since the scripts seem to terminate
[00:26] <maco> oh. i thought you meant X was disliking your video card
[00:26] <kady> maco: Yes but loggin in runs startx which runs xinit which srunns startkde etc
[00:26] <kady> maco: No this worked grand until an update mid last week
[00:26] <kady> in the midst of the intel fiasco I think
[00:26] <maco> oh
[00:27] <kady> however this is a SiS card
[00:27] <Mulder> hmmm
[00:27] <maco> intel fiasco?
[00:27] <Mulder> i cant seem to get manual feed working on jaunty beta with my network printer
[00:27] <maco> wait...all my computers use intel graphics
[00:27] <maco> what intel fiasco?
[00:27] <kady> and apparently something of the same seems to happen on ATI however it has the good sense to know that X died so it restarts KDM
[00:27] <maco> and all my computers ahve jaunty on them
[00:27] <kady> maco: Brave man :)
[00:27] <maco> woman :P
[00:27] <kady> apologies :)
[00:28] <Mulder> kady, sadly the ati open source driver is having a lot of headaches right now
[00:28] <maco> ive been running jaunty since alpha 2. just dog-fooding, that's all
[00:28] <kady> I was typing assuming that maco is a man actually :)
[00:28] <kady> Mulder: That's wonderful but the problem is with SiS
[00:28] <Mulder> ok
[00:28] <maco> kady: jaunty's actually much more stable than hardy on this laptop, so i'm not seeing much bravery involved :P
[00:28] <kady> or I thought it was till I put the hard drive in another machine and had the same thing happen
[00:29] <bruce89> is the intel fiasco the thing that makes 3D very slow on Intel
[00:29] <kady> maco: Hardy has a statement behind it that it will work and not bite the hand that feeds it. Jaunty has no such claim
[00:29] <maco> OH is that the "kwin wont do compositing" thing last month?
[00:29] <kady> bruce89: Yes
[00:29] <maco> kady: hardy kernel panics daily. jaunty kernel panics weekly. which is more stable?
[00:30] <maco> for *this* particular hardware, jaunty is superior
[00:30] <kady> maco: ha ha :) hooray for pregression of technology :)
[00:30] <Mulder> maco, weekly panic is better than daily panic
[00:30] <kady> maco: What specs on the machine out of interest ?
[00:30] <maco> it's the intel 4965 AGN wireless that does it
[00:30] <Debugged> how can i get to a terminal from the welcome screen?
[00:30] <maco> my brother's got the same laptop, except for that wireless card. he's had 3 panics in 6 months.
[00:31] <bruce89> it makes gnome-shell almost useless then
[00:31] <maco> Debugged: ctrl +alt +f1
[00:31] <kady> Debugged: alt+Ctrl+F1
[00:31] <kady> Debugged: if you type your normal username and password you can't get in ?
[00:31] <kady> bruce89: You can install Gnome shell now?
[00:31] <bruce89> kady: it's not difficult to do manually
[00:32] <kady> bruce89: How about zeitgeist ?
[00:32] <maco> im sorry let me rephrase "kwin can't composite, but compiz can" was what was going on for me last month...thats the biggest graphical "fiasco" i found...
[00:32] <Debugged> no
[00:32] <Debugged> it shows in hebrew
[00:32] <Debugged> and says wrong user / pass becuse of that i think
[00:32] <maco> the keymap is wrong?
[00:32] <bruce89> kady: can't be bothered with it too, but I'm sure it would work
[00:32] <Debugged> if i can get to /etc/default/console-setup
[00:32] <kady> Debugged: ok try alt+ctrl+F1 and login there
[00:32] <Debugged> i can fix it
[00:33] <kady> bruce89: How is the GNOME Shell?
[00:33] <bruce89> kady: rather interesting
[00:33] <kady> MIght as well play with it since I'm on Jaunty
[00:33] <kady> bruce89: So the current setup will be remved and Gnome shell will be the interface come 2.30 ?
[00:34] <Debugged> same issue
[00:34] <bruce89> kady: technically GNOME 3.0
[00:34] <kady> bruce89: same thing :)
[00:34] <Debugged> won't let me login because user pass is stored in english but input is in hebrew
[00:34] <maco> kady: > 1/2 the time ive been running ubuntu, it's been in the form of development releases.  this is the first time i even have a secondary computer. or a semi-recent backup, for that matter.
[00:34] <kady> Debugged: Pass a option to the kernel I suppose
[00:35] <kady> maco: Myself as well but it's still brave
[00:35] <kady> or foolhardy depending on how you look at it
[00:35] <maco> hah
[00:35] <dtchen> because you know on april 23, all the bugs magically disappear.
[00:35] <maco> well i made sure i could survive in a CLI-only context before i started that
[00:35] <maco> dtchen:  ;)
[00:35] <kady> maco: I can as well which is why it doesn't bother me
[00:36] <maco> kady: its the people that dont know how to use the CLI (well) and use unstable that confuse me
[00:36] <kady> Except for managing images I think I can do everything I need from CLI
[00:36] <maco> yeah, gimp's about the low point
[00:37] <maco> mmm viewing pdf's too i guess....i need to turn on framebuffer
[00:37] <kady> maco: You think that's bad when canonical was considering Compiz everyone jumped on Ubuntu then upgraded to +1 just to get a very buggy cube
[00:37] <kady> Ah fun days
[00:37] <maco> it was less buggy by then than it was on edgy, at least
[00:37] <kady> Hmm new xorgserver package
[00:37] <kady> I'll probably reboot and see what this does
[00:38] <bruce89_> kady: oops
[00:38] <maco> hell, i think edgy's Xorg having built-in support for AIGLX so i could use beryl was the *only* reason i upgraded to edgy
[00:38] <kady> highly likely you will see me back though
[00:38] <kady> bruce89_: What did you do?
[00:38] <bruce89_> kady: X went to Firhill without me
[00:38] <kady> Y?
[00:38]  * kady makes a very bad funny
[00:38] <bruce89_> kady: froze in other words
[00:39] <kady> Yeah X does that to me like once a day on my other machine
[00:39] <kady> since the very first day I upgraded to Guts
[00:40] <kady> Gutsy. I miss Feisty immensely
[00:40] <kady> granted Jaunty so far looks like my New feisty :)
[00:40] <bruce89_> kady: http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/bruce889/VarStuff?authkey=Gv1sRgCI3uxu744fGLFA&feat=directlink#5320985102493960562
[00:40] <kady> aside from my rational hatred of X
[00:40] <kady> I haven't figured out how to get image support in w3m yet
[00:41] <maco> kady: i didnt know it could do it, but links2 with framebuffer enabled can
[00:41] <kady> granted I have not looked :)
[00:41] <kady> Hmm lets try something interesting
[00:41] <Exilant> is it possible to use the new network-manager-plasmoid for vpn? it has the setup options, yet nothing seems to happen
[00:41] <maco> one of my school mates was really excited when i told him that and he tried it and went to gentoo.com and could see the logo
[00:42] <maco> Exilant: yes, it can
[00:42] <maco> ive used it for that before
[00:42] <maco> i notice that that plasmoid royally *sucks* at agreeing with you on where your cursor is relative to its clickable parst
[00:42] <maco> you put the mouse a half inch away from what you want to click, and then it'll work
[00:42] <Exilant> ah, that might be
[00:43] <Debugged> while i am orking on fixing this language issue is there a known way to fix infinite starting file manager loop when trying to install vmware tools with vmware 6.5 and ubuntu 9.04
[00:43] <kady_> bruce89: Ok X is up now whats the URL ?
[00:44] <bruce89> kady_: gnome-shell
[00:44] <kady_> picaaweb I think it was?
[00:46] <Debugged> mnged to use the terminal from the dvd resuce mode to fix the language issue
[00:46] <bruce89> kady: http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/bruce889/VarStuff?authkey=Gv1sRgCI3uxu744fGLFA&feat=directlink#5320985102493960562
[00:46] <Debugged> XKBLAYOUT="af" (/etc/default/console-setup)
[00:46] <kady_> Debugged: Live CDs ftw :)
[00:46] <Debugged> changed to us
[00:47] <Debugged> now just gotta figure out the issue with vmware tools
[00:47] <Debugged> causing this infinite loop of starting file manager windows
[00:47] <kady_> bruce89: ok yeah looks nice.. brown but nice
[00:47] <bruce89> kady_: ignore the desktop background, that's Ubuntu's
[00:48] <kady_> bruce89: picked that up you installed from Source I'll assume
[00:49] <bruce89> kady_: indeed, there's a guide on the gnome-shell wiki page
[00:49] <kady_> reading it now
[00:50] <kady> ok reboot plus shower
[01:05] <DanaG> hah, gparted says 9.69 gigs of 9.66 copied -- 00:00:0-2 remaining.
[01:05] <bruce89> bug time
[01:05] <DanaG> well, it seems to work anyway, despite the cosmetic issue.
[01:06] <[MindVirus]> How's the Intel graphics issue?
[01:06] <[MindVirus]> Any better?
[01:07] <Debugged> any ideas on the vmare tools infinite loop boo boo
[01:07] <[MindVirus]> DanaG, please file a bug.
[01:07] <bruce89> [MindVirus]: no
[01:10] <sasnak> is there a way for me to upgrade the file system in place from EXT3 to EXT4 without having to reinstall?
[01:10] <bruce89> where's the intel 3D bug?
[01:10] <bruce89> sasnak: yes
[01:10] <bruce89> sasnak: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Ext4
[01:11] <Ienorand> Debugged: Disconnect iso
[01:12] <Ienorand> Debugged: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brasero/+bug/329146
[01:12] <sasnak> bruce89: thanks looking forward to testing it out.
[01:15] <Debugged> reading
[01:19] <bruce89> Debugged: Dumbarton
[01:22] <Debugged> Ienorand : i don't have any iso's mounted
[01:22] <Debugged> hen i try and install vmware tools
[01:22] <Debugged> it starts spamming starting file manager windows
[01:22] <Debugged> until i shutdon restart and shutdown again twice then it goes away
[01:26] <Ienorand> Debugged: Hmm, it seems might be a different bug then...
[01:35] <Squark> Hello...
[01:35] <Squark> i've downloaded the latest daily build isos..
[01:35] <Squark> but can't find ext4 support when installing Jaunty.
[01:36] <Squark> I chose to patition disk manually....
[01:36] <Squark> but there's simply no ext4 to choose from.
[01:42] <jhal2965>     
[01:42] <bruce89> jhal2965: yes
[01:43] <Squark> anyone with any suggestions?
[01:43] <Squark> there should be ext4 when manually partitioning the disk, right?
[01:44] <kady> Squark: Yes
[01:45] <Squark> how come I don't have it ? :)
[01:49] <kady> Squark: Waht do you have?
[01:51] <Debugged> Ienorand : i removed all cd drives entirely so there where not any cd drives available in /dev
[01:52] <meoblast001> does jaunty have a nice bluetooth stack?
[01:52] <meoblast001> i'm going crazy
[01:52] <Debugged> and then the menu for install tools mounted the device properly
[01:52] <meoblast001> i even went to the point of installing windows and then getting angry and deleting it
[01:52] <Squark> I can chose ext3, ext2, reiserfs, jfs, xfs, fat16, fat32, swap area and do not use the partition.
[01:53] <DanaG> Anyone here know how to create a new VHD (virtual hard drive) file?
[01:54] <kady_> meoblast001: reportedly
[01:54] <kady_> nice being relative
[01:54] <meoblast001> i don't know if i should install it
[01:54] <meoblast001> i'm confused
[01:54] <kady> meoblast001: Use the live CD and test?
[01:54] <kady> Squark: you can install with ext3 and upgrade to EXt4 :)
[01:55] <meoblast001> eh.... 2 hour download
[01:55] <meoblast001> i don't know if i want to go through with that now
[01:55] <meoblast001> i just want my cellphone to connect
[01:55] <kady> meoblast001: what are you on now?
[01:55] <meoblast001> and is a .VDI file a Virtualbox harddisk? i want to make sure i have Windows off my system completely
[01:55] <meoblast001> kady: 8.10
[01:55] <kady> meoblast001: Live Cd available ?
[01:55] <meoblast001> ?
[01:55] <meoblast001> live cd of what
[01:56] <Squark> kady_: er...that's not really the user friendly way of installing an OS. :)
[01:56] <kady> 8.10
[01:56] <meoblast001> yes i have the live cd
[01:56] <kady> Squark: It was there when I was installing. Grab a beta Cd
[01:57] <kady> meoblast001: install that in a Virtual machine and scrap anything except ubuntu-minimal then uprade to Jackalope and install buletooth and connect
[01:57] <Squark> already downloading it. anyway, thanks for info.
[01:57] <kady> bluetooth
[01:57] <meoblast001> i'm so confused
[01:57] <kady> meoblast001: :)
[01:57] <meoblast001> i think i want to format my harddrive
[01:57] <meoblast001> nothing will start
[01:57] <kady> meoblast001: for some definition of nothing
[01:58] <meoblast001> is my CPU infected with TC now that i've ran XP?
[01:58] <kady> meoblast001: no it's infected with that from when it's made
[01:58] <kady> only Apple makes any ral use of it
[01:58] <kady> real
[01:59] <meoblast001> kady: but can't Windows activate the TC and keep itself running nasty stuff even when i remove windows?
[01:59] <meoblast001> kady: i thought TC allowed Windows to copy code into the CPU to run
[01:59] <kady> meoblast001: no
[01:59] <meoblast001> oh
[02:00] <mn> how is 9.04 comming along?
[02:00] <kady> meoblast001: In theory yes but a) it's not been done and b) a bios upgrade would wipe it
[02:00] <thiebaude> mn, its getting better
[02:00] <kady> mn: In leaps and bounds
[02:00] <mn> good to hear :)
[02:00] <meoblast001> kady: with virtualbox, if i delete the VDI file named Windows XP.vdi, whould XP be whiped off my disk?
[02:01] <kady> meoblast001: yes that's the Virtual Disk image
[02:01] <kady> meoblast001: delete it from inside Virtal box
[02:01] <kady>  saves you a step
[02:01] <meoblast001> kady: i deleted it manually
[02:02] <meoblast001> kady: do you think Fedora can work with my bluetooth better? i might partition my disk to install fedora
[02:03] <kady> meoblast001: possibly it has a new er kernel and a newer stack
[02:04] <kady> One version better but that may make the difference .... or it may not
[02:04] <kady> !bluetooth
[02:04] <kady> meoblast001: Did you read that? ^^^
[02:06] <meoblast001> kady: oh sorry... ic
[02:06] <meoblast001> kady: what should i do to reproduce that in Intrepid?
[02:06] <meoblast001> Fedora is usually good with hardware
[02:09] <un2him> keyh
[02:54] <teethdood> hi guys. How do I open up the Fire Edit View menus in firefox (some sites hide it)
[03:02] <eichenwalder> is there a configure tool for notify-osd in the new beta
[03:02] <teethdood> bah apparently you have to install the "Unhide Menus" extension for something so basic
[03:02] <PCTeacher012> So i cant update from 8.1 to 9.04?
[03:02] <bruce89> eichenwalder: gnome-straccitella-session
[03:03] <teethdood> PCTeacher012: some people with intel graphics are experiencing probs
[03:03] <PCTeacher012> teethdood: I have nVidia
[03:03] <Mulder> only intel?
[03:03] <Mulder> heh
[03:03] <PCTeacher012> lol
[03:03] <sebsebseb> PCTeacher012: you might as well just wait untill 9.04 final for various reasons
[03:05] <PCTeacher012> seb: I want to help with beta lol
[03:05] <bruce89> sebsebseb: hola
[03:05] <bjsnider> PCTeacher012, what other hardware do you have?
[03:06] <PCTeacher012> specifications?
[03:06] <teethdood> eichenwalder: I was told that as of right now you cannot customize that OSD (I had wanted to change the black background to another color)
[03:06] <sebsebseb> bruce89: Guten Tag
[03:06] <billybigrigger> can't seem to find much except that jaunty itself boots fast
[03:07] <dmbkiwi> Just upgraded to Jaunty beta (kubuntu), and kwin is eating about 8-9% cpu at all times.  On intrepid, when nothing was happening, my cpu usage sat at between 0-1%.  Running nvidia proprietary drivers here.  Is this normal - any way to get back to a no kwin overhead situation?
[03:07] <teethdood> bruce89: does that app allow you to change the background? if so, nice! going to try it out now
[03:08] <PCTeacher012> bjsnlder: What Hardware do you need? Everything?
[03:08] <bruce89> teethdood: no, there is no way to do that without changing the oce
[03:08] <bruce89> *code
[03:09] <teethdood> bruce89: yes that's what I thought :(
[03:09] <bruce89> teethdood: why they made it hardcoded I'll never know
[03:10] <bruce89> remove features to make the concept useless I suppose
[03:10] <PCTeacher012> Addign Hardwaer specs soon
[03:11] <eichenwalder> teethdood: what apps are you able to use with the osd notification system, very many?
[03:12] <bruce89> eichenwalder: all the same ones, except some will be screwed up
[03:12] <teethdood> eichenwalder: pidgin, volume control
[03:12] <eichenwalder> I see
[03:12] <eichenwalder> its working for pidgin
[03:26] <dmbkiwi> Just upgraded to Jaunty beta (kubuntu), and kwin is eating about 8-9% cpu at all times.  On intrepid, when nothing was happening, my cpu usage sat at between 0-1%.  Running nvidia proprietary drivers here.  Is this normal - any way to get back to a no kwin overhead situation?
[03:39] <bytor4232> heh
[03:40] <bytor4232> Wish I would have visited this chatroom before I jumped into the Jaunty pool.
[03:40] <bytor4232> Oh well, xubuntu is working well for me, other than some sort of CPU race when I change the LCD brightness
[03:49] <[MindVirus]> Anyone know what's up with the Intel graphics drivers?
[03:49] <bruce89> they're useless
[03:50] <Mulder> [MindVirus], what are you epxeriencing
[03:51] <[MindVirus]> Mulder, no direct rendering.
[03:52] <[MindVirus]> LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT set.
[03:52] <[MindVirus]> When I unset it, it says yes, but running without GEM.
[03:52] <[MindVirus]> And in both cases, Compiz is shit slow.
[03:52] <Mulder> ok
[03:52] <[MindVirus]> While it used to look great.
[03:56] <Mulder> at least your driver isnt crashing your computer
[03:59] <eichenwalder> amarok breaks my audio
[04:01] <[MindVirus]> Mulder, praise Jesus?
[04:10] <rfmonk> anyone having any problems with tracker-indexer?
[04:11] <rfmonk> i noticed a bug report about it crashing randomly
[04:12] <rfmonk> mine doesnt crash it just dos's the system
[04:12] <bruce89> that hasn't been installed by default for ages
[04:13] <rfmonk> great news, I wonder what program it is related to
[04:13] <rfmonk> i googled tracker indexer and it showed a bug report for 9.04 on the 2nd
[04:13] <rfmonk> 1st hit
[04:14] <rfmonk> actually the 3rd,
[04:14] <bruce89> !info tracker
[04:14] <bruce89> !info tracker-search-tool
[04:15] <rfmonk> so.. apt-get remove tracker-indexer affects nothing?
[04:15] <rfmonk> could it be part of postgresql?
[04:15] <bruce89> ain't a package name
[04:16] <bruce89> I don't see what postgresql would have to do with it
[04:16] <rfmonk> ok
[04:18] <rfmonk> yea, when I do an apt-cache search it returns nothing
[04:18] <rfmonk> how to disable this thing
[04:18] <bruce89> remove the two packages mentioned above
[04:19] <rfmonk> oh, doh! thanks
[04:20] <rfmonk> =]
[04:24] <rfmonk> ive got another issue I solved related to iwl3945 card but in the process raised a few questions
[04:24] <kady> dmbkiwi: tried turning off composite?
[04:24] <rfmonk> i used to modprobe -r iwl3945
[04:24] <rfmonk> then modprobe ipwraw
[04:24] <rfmonk> there is a better way to turn on monitor mode now
[04:25] <kady> bruce89: cause they wanted it in Jackalope?
[04:25] <rfmonk> but the last time I did a modprobe -r iwl3945 it totally foobars the system
[04:25] <bruce89> kady: hmm?
[04:26] <kady> bruce89: hard coding the background
[04:26] <kady> not essential to having the system work and making it configurable has more code paths that need debugging
[04:26] <bruce89> kady: perhaps, but I think it's a design concept to have no features at all
[04:27] <kady> bruce89: Oh. oh dear. Well that will change
[04:27] <kady> Viva la Open source
[04:27] <kady> wait the code for this new notification is open right?
[04:27] <bruce89> yes, it's called notification-daemon, but I've been over this a lot
[04:27] <kady> bruce89: :) K
[04:28]  * kady tries to figure out why KDE thinks that logging out is what all the cool kids are doing
[04:30] <rfmonk> by the way, thank you bruce89
[04:30] <bruce89> rfmonk: np, night
[04:34] <dmbkiwi> kady: I can turn off composite, and I get 0-1% cpu usage, but where's the fun in that?  It worked fine in intrepid.  Just wondering whether this is a common problem, and whether I should file a bug.
[04:37] <m0u5e>  there a gui config utility for the new osd-notify?
[04:37] <m0u5e> like... "length of time to show notification" ... or "opacity" or... etc?
[04:38] <kady> m0u5e: No
[04:43] <DRweasel> ubuntu is the most piece unstable piece of shit i have ever used including linux
[04:43] <m0u5e> ... your in ubuntu+1
[04:43] <m0u5e> of course its unstable
[04:43] <DRweasel> thats including all ubuntu releases
[04:43] <DRweasel> Windows 7 is more stable than all the ubuntu version.
[04:43] <m0u5e> yeah and windows 7 also has had a lot longer of a development cycle
[04:44] <kady> Well use WIndows 7 then
[04:44] <m0u5e> and your new mspaint
[04:44] <Mulder> and your msn 9
[04:44] <DRweasel> I use the best tools to get the job done for me
[04:44] <m0u5e> well we have that too mulder
[04:44] <amon__> even the calculator got an update
[04:45] <Mulder> m0u5e, we dont.
[04:45] <m0u5e> mulder we have pidgin
[04:45] <Mulder> yes
[04:45] <Mulder> we have pidgin. but we dont have msn 9
[04:45] <kady> DRweasel: we have no arguement with using the best tools
[04:45] <m0u5e> Mulder: unless you need video pidgin gets the job done
[04:45] <kady> DRweasel: however are you here to give a bug report ?
[04:46] <Mulder> m0u5e, pidgin misses more features than just video.
[04:46] <m0u5e> Mulder: shh... basic chat works :(
[04:46] <Mulder> yes
[04:46] <Mulder> basic chat support is good.
[04:46] <m0u5e> Mulder: video is the only thing I've noticed missing
[04:46] <DRweasel> i believe in paying money for quality support know that my purcahse will help microsoft make better products, i also believe in closed source app as only microsoft can control the code which makes it even more secure
[04:46] <m0u5e> Mulder: there's custom smiley's now :D i'm happy
[04:46] <kady> m0u5e: I'm fairly certain more is missing
[04:47] <DRweasel> I belive in NTFS
[04:47] <m0u5e> DRweasel: your not paying anything to linux, so shouldn't you expect nothing then?
[04:47] <Mulder> voice, video, handwritten messages, whiteboard, direct file transfer, msnp18 (or whatever msn9 runs)
[04:47] <Mulder> are what i can think of off top of my head
[04:47]  * m0u5e slaps his forehead.
[04:47] <kady> DRweasel: are you here to give a bug report?
[04:47] <DRweasel> HA i predict microsoft will succed in collecting its Licensing for its fat32 patent.
[04:47] <kady> DRweasel: #ubuntu-offtopic please
[04:48] <Mulder> voice should be merging with pidgin trunk this year though :)
[04:48] <m0u5e> Mulder: we have file transfer? o_O;
[04:48] <Mulder> at least, for xmpp/jingle
[04:48] <m0u5e> Mulder: yeah i heard that too
[04:48] <Mulder> m0u5e, yes. but slow via a proxy
[04:48] <DRweasel> All linux programs are shitty poor reverse enginnered software of there closed source equlivants
[04:48] <m0u5e> Mulder: hrmmm i don't do file transfers enough to notice the drop in speed
[04:48] <m0u5e> like bittorrent
[04:48] <m0u5e> or firefox
[04:48] <kady> DRweasel: #ubuntu-offtopic please
[04:48] <amon__> DRweasel you are my hero, i just came home from work and its 6 in the morning, i needed a cheap troll like you for some even cheaper entertainment
[04:49] <DRweasel> Dude the linux kernel is just getting a comparable filesystem to NTFS
[04:50] <kady> DRweasel: #ubuntu-offtopic please
[04:50] <DRweasel> naah
[04:50] <m0u5e> anyone here have op priv?
[04:50] <DRweasel> im pretty sure there is at least 100,000 ubuntu irc ops
[04:51] <DRweasel>  Linux pretty much started out life as a hacker's hobby. It grew as it attracted more hobbyist hackers. It was quite some time before anybody but a geek stood a chance of getting a useable Linux installation working easily. Linux started out "By geeks, for geeks." And even today, the majority of established Linux users are self-confessed geeks.
[04:51] <m0u5e> anyone here uses a 3-g dongle?
[04:51] <DRweasel> so if you use linux you are a geek
[04:51] <kady>  !op
[04:51] <m0u5e> one that's easily compatible with linux?
[04:52] <m0u5e> or one thats whiteisted with jaunty?
[04:52] <DRweasel> Linux has gone from Command-Line- to Graphics-based interfaces, a clear attempt to copy Windows
[04:53] <m0u5e> thank god
[04:53] <DanaG> frankly, as long as I use radeon and not fglrx, my ubuntu is far more reliable than my win7 was.  I started having issues where resume from suspend would result in a non-working wifi card, in win7.  Got so bad, I nuked that partition.
[04:53] <nalioth> buh-bye, mr serial troll
[04:53] <kernco> I installed Kubuntu Jaunty on this computer when it was alpha 4 or 5, and GTK applications look ugly.  I recently installed Kubuntu Jaunty Beta on a different computer, and GTK applications look great, but they still look bad on this computer even though I've updated all the packages.  Does anyone know how to fix this?  I've checked to make sure I have the gtk-qt-engine installed.
[04:53]  * DanaG wants qgtkstyle.
[04:54] <m0u5e> kernco: are you also running jaunty on this computer in which the gtk apps look bad?
[04:54] <kernco> yes
[04:55] <m0u5e> weird
[04:56] <kernco> Something got missed through apt-get upgrades that is there when you do a clean install
[04:56] <m0u5e> kernco: maybe try reinstalling jaunty?
[04:56] <m0u5e> and clear the config files associated with those programs?
[04:56] <kernco> I'm sure reinstalling will fix it, but I'm trying to avoid that hassle
[04:57] <m0u5e> maybe theres an app that the computer that has nice looking gtk apps has, that your current computer doesn't o_O;
[04:58] <kady> Let me try something
[04:58] <kernco> Nope, the only GTK apps I use on either of them are firefox and eclipse.  They both look good on one and ugly on another
[04:58] <m0u5e> huh... weird
[04:59] <m0u5e> kernco: dunno if this will help but here try this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=856315
[05:00] <m0u5e> theres a lot of different reasons why it could look crappy on kde
[05:00] <m0u5e> gtk themes not installed, configuration files are weird
[05:02] <ultratek> is anyone familiar with --iscurrentdistro?
[05:03] <kernco> m0u5e: I think that thread has the answer, this computer doesn't have a .gtkrc-2.0, but the other one does
[05:03] <m0u5e> ahh
[05:03] <m0u5e> there you go then :D
[05:03] <m0u5e> try it
[05:03] <m0u5e> did it work?
[05:04] <m0u5e> jaunty might have nicer themes installed by default, but if you upgraded up to jaunty your old config might be there
[05:04] <kernco> I have to restart kde to see if it worked.  Thanks for your help!
[05:05] <kady_> ok this is kinda silly now :(
[05:07] <kady> So KDE simply logs out when you start
[05:12] <tim_sharitt> Does anyone know what the state of the ATI fglrx proprietary driver is in Jaunty now?
[05:12] <Mulder> prerelease
[05:13] <Mulder> supports xserver 1.6
[05:13] <Smegzor> Whats wrong with the current beta cd?  Twice now I have tried to install it and twice it has failed to create grub.
[05:13] <tim_sharitt> I had to use the open source drive when I first installed Jaunty, just wondering if the roprietary driver was worth testing yet.
[05:15] <Mulder> tim_sharitt, what chipset do you have
[05:15] <tim_sharitt> Mulder: ati mobility radeon x1400
[05:15] <Mulder> is that R600 , R700 or one of R300 to R500?
[05:16] <tim_sharitt> Mulder: Good question, I'll check :)
[05:18] <Mulder> R520
[05:18] <Mulder> sadly for you,  you can only use the open source driver in jaunty
[05:20] <tim_sharitt> That's actually not too bad. It has gotten much better since the first time I tried to use it.
[05:20] <Mulder> yes it has
[05:20] <Mulder> except for the crashing the system bit, ati driver has come a long way
[05:20] <tim_sharitt> I actually can't really tell much of a difference between the open source driver in Jaunty and fglrx in Intrepid
[05:20] <tim_sharitt> For my use anyway
[05:22] <tim_sharitt> I couldn't even use X in 7.04 without the proprietary driver
[05:22] <Mulder> yeah
[05:22] <Mulder> xserver-xorg-driver-radeon improved heaps even in 8.10
[05:25] <kady> Great now audio doesn't work
[05:26] <tim_sharitt> While I'm here... My volume keys (keyboard and front of the laptop) still don't change the volume, but I do see the notification. Is this still being worked on or a problem on my end?
[05:30] <chu_> Hey guys
[05:32] <Mulder> tim_sharitt, that problem is likely to be specific to your laptop
[05:32] <Mulder> my laptop volume keys work fine (thinkpad)
[05:34] <tim_sharitt> Mulder: Thanks, didn't want to go mucking about trying to find the problem just to find out something wasn't even finished yet :)
[05:35] <Mulder> my thinkpad keys have worked automagically since 8.04
[05:35] <Mulder> even firefox magically recognises my forward/backward keys
[05:35] <Mulder> i used to have to create a custom keymap for those
[05:38] <chu_> I was hoping 9.04 would finally read my battery :(
[05:38] <tim_sharitt> I didn't have any of my shortcut keys for a while, but got everything except volume working when I reinstalled a fresh copy when the beta came out
[05:39] <SJrX> My nvidia is gone :'(
[05:39] <SJrX> I just rebooted
[05:39] <SJrX> and now I'm getting that the kernel module is not loaded
[05:40] <kady> can someone look at http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m48c8de1d ?
[05:40] <kady> Tell me if I'm reading that correctly
[05:42] <ubuntuNOOB>  hi i come from debian, i'm try to install Kubuntu 8.10 i386 on Pentium D, I try to burn 1 CD and 3 DVD with low speed burn, when try to install Kubuntu it get my much errore, "pnpbios=off", bad I/O read and so on, do I take bad iso of Kubuntu and should I try AMD64?
[05:43] <digitalexpl0it> anyone know how to configure middle click on a mouse?
[05:43] <kady> ubuntuNOOB: #kubuntu
[05:43] <ubuntuNOOB> thanks
[05:44] <digitalexpl0it> running ubuntu 9.04 beta
[05:45] <digitalexpl0it> do I need to edit xorg.conf? if so there isnt much there. I have a logitech mx5500 keyboard mouse bluetooth, they work fine just not the middle click on the scroller
[05:46] <digitalexpl0it> its on button5
[05:48] <tim_sharitt> digitalexpl0it: you may need remap it in your .xmodmap file
[05:48] <tim_sharitt> but that may not be correct, let me see if I still have the wiki page bookmarked
[05:49] <digitalexpl0it> I was reading that and also wmwheel or something
[05:50] <digitalexpl0it> I wasnt sure if I need to add the input device in xorg.conf
[05:50] <digitalexpl0it> kinda strange
[05:50] <digitalexpl0it> love 9.04, very fast
[05:52] <chu_> SJrX you need to tell grub to boot from 6.2.28-11-generic
[05:52] <chu_> It'll be using 6.2.27-11-generic
[05:53] <tim_sharitt> digitalexpl0it: try to create a the file ~/.Xmodmap containing something like: pointer = 1 5 3 4 2 6 7 8 9
[05:54] <tim_sharitt> Well, I'm not sure that's correct
[05:55] <grodius> could anyone tell me the term command to find gfx chipset ifo
[05:55] <SJrX> crap I just switched back to 173
[05:55] <error404notfound> "Upgrades from Ubuntu 8.10 Intrepid are currently suspended due to a Python issue." but I just did an upgrade from intrepid.
[05:55] <bjsnider> grodius, lspci
[05:55] <grodius> bjsnider: thx
[05:56] <chu_> SJrX - check /boot/ to make sure it is 2.6.28 though I think so (it was in my case), edit the file /boot/grub/menu.lst and check down to where it lists the bootable kernels, add a new entry (my previous ones were all 8.10, so I created a new one called 9.04 and directed it to the new kernel, keep the old UUID)
[05:56] <digitalexpl0it> tim_sharlett I have a .Xmodmap_logitech
[05:56] <digitalexpl0it> should I copy that or should I make a new one
[05:57] <ultratek> can some one please help me with..
[05:57] <tim_sharitt> digitalexpl0it: I do believe xmodmap is what you'll need, I'm just not entirely sure how to go about it
[05:57] <digitalexpl0it> ok well do
[05:57] <ultratek> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1116500
[05:57] <digitalexpl0it> done
[05:58] <tim_sharitt> digitalexpl0it: .if you already have .Xmodmap_logitech, you can probably just modify it
[05:58] <tim_sharitt> since it is likely already being used
[05:58] <digitalexpl0it> derrick@derrick-desktop:~$ cat .Xmodmap
[05:58] <digitalexpl0it> pointer = 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
[05:58] <digitalexpl0it> lets do this
[05:58] <kady> How can I reconfigure Xserver so that I can choose the card and monitor?
[05:58] <digitalexpl0it> it was a file I was creating
[05:58] <digitalexpl0it> do this from scratch
[05:58] <ultratek> anyone?
[05:58] <kady> I think that's what is making KDM crash
[05:58] <digitalexpl0it> :)
[05:59] <chu_> sorry ultratek nvidia here...
[05:59] <ultratek> =(
[06:00] <error404notfound> is there a log maintained when I run update-manager -d, so that if I get into problems I check the update log for any hints?
[06:00] <grodius> Hi, I'm running jaunty with an intel gfx chipset and I can't seem to get compiz working. In "appearance" it says "desktop effects could not be enabled". Could anyone please help me out?
[06:00] <kady> error404notfound: dpkg log
[06:00] <error404notfound> great...
[06:00] <error404notfound> kady: thanks
[06:00] <ultratek> grodius did you enable proprietary drivers?
[06:01] <digitalexpl0it> tim_sharitt: running imwheel -c I found the button is button5
[06:01] <grodius> ultratek: no i did not.
[06:01] <grodius> ultratek: should i need to for an intel integrated card?
[06:01] <digitalexpl0it> wheel down = button5, wheelup = button4, FYI
[06:02] <ultratek> system-adminstration-hardwared drivers
[06:02] <ultratek> i am a newb but i would think so...
[06:03] <tim_sharitt> digitalexpl0it: does the wheel click like a button when pressed, if so I would have thought that it would be mapped to another button
[06:04] <ultratek> grodius does it work?
[06:04] <grodius> ultratek: no there arent any
[06:04] <tim_sharitt> not just the up and down for scrolling
[06:04] <digitalexpl0it> tim_sharitt: its a button down/up and side by side plus a wheel
[06:04] <ultratek> grodius: what integraded card are you using?
[06:05] <grodius> Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[06:05] <DanaG> handy thing: xev
[06:06] <digitalexpl0it> tim_sharitt: the mouse wheel does 4 things
[06:06] <grodius> i fixed this issue before, and i found someone with the same card as me and used their xorg and it worked, but im an idiot and i didnt back it up
[06:06] <digitalexpl0it> tim_sharitt: http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard_mice_combos/devices/3481&cl=US,EN
[06:07]  * tim_sharitt looks
[06:07] <ultratek> grodius:http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Product_Filter.aspx?ProductID=2301&lang=eng
[06:08] <grodius> ultratek: ahhh thanks so much
[06:08] <ultratek> yea
[06:08] <ultratek> grodius: hope it helps
[06:08] <digitalexpl0it> tim_sharitt: the actual mouse http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/mice/devices/130&cl=us,en
[06:08] <SJrX> chu_ no such kernel exists I just have 2.6.27
[06:09] <chu_> interesting, I had the same problem, and to fix was just update grub to boot from the new kernel...
[06:09] <ultratek> anyone with ati?
[06:10] <SJrX> maybe it's just grub
[06:10] <Mulder> ultratek, me.
[06:10] <Mulder> SJrX, hai frand
[06:10] <SJrX> no way
[06:10] <SJrX> it's YOU!
[06:10] <ultratek> can you help me here:http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1116500
[06:10] <SJrX> Hmmmm what's your problem Mulder
[06:10] <Mulder> SJrX, my problem is beyond my control.
[06:10] <SJrX> Ah
[06:11] <Mulder> xserver problems
[06:11] <digitalexpl0it> guess I need to use btnx
[06:11] <SJrX> How can I check what kernel I have in grub, chu_
[06:11] <Mulder> people have alreaady lodged bug reports. i am just sitting tight until patches are rolled out
[06:11] <SJrX> Mulder oh you have an nvidia card that just stopped working
[06:11] <chu_> SJrX - check /boot/ to make sure it is 2.6.28 though I think so (it was in my case), edit the file /boot/grub/menu.lst and check down to where it lists the bootable kernels, add a new entry (my previous ones were all 8.10, so I created a new one called 9.04 and directed it to the new kernel, keep the old UUID)
[06:11] <tim_sharitt> digitalexpl0it: I'm really not sure what to tell you now, but you may want to look here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1077798
[06:11] <DanaG> Anyone know how to rip an mp4 stream?
[06:11] <chu_> We'll work out what's the new kernel...
[06:11] <digitalexpl0it> tim_sharitt: I think I need to use btnx to configure the mouse
[06:11] <ultratek> mulder:yea that is what i was thinking
[06:11] <Mulder> ultratek, jaunty uses a prerelease of 9.4, not 9.3.
[06:11] <tim_sharitt> digitalexpl0it: especiall the last post
[06:12] <Mulder> ultratek, also if you're R3xx to R5xx, fglrx no longer works
[06:12] <Mulder> so you're stuck with open source drive
[06:12] <ultratek> 9.4 ati drivers?...noway...
[06:12] <Mulder> yes way
[06:12] <Mulder> prerelease
[06:12] <ultratek> r5?
[06:12] <chu_> SJrX, when you ls from inside /boot/ how many entries starting with vmlinuz do you have? There's 3 on my machine for instance
[06:12] <Mulder> 9.3 doesnt support xserver 1.6 if you havent  noticed
[06:12] <digitalexpl0it> tim_sharitt: haha thanks, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2727025 samething
[06:13] <tim_sharitt> digitalexpl0it: haha, good luck :)
[06:13] <ultratek> you 4000series?
[06:13] <ultratek> mean*
[06:13] <digitalexpl0it> thanks If I get this working I may make a wiki :)
[06:13] <SJrX> 3
[06:13] <digitalexpl0it> laters
[06:13] <SJrX> vmlinuz-2.6.28-11-generic
[06:13] <chu_> Yep!
[06:13] <chu_> We want to boot that kernel
[06:14] <ultratek> mulder: how do i check the driver version...iwas wanting to see for myself...
[06:14] <Mulder> ultratek, apt-cache show fglrx
[06:14] <Mulder> err
[06:14] <chu_> So now go into menu.lst SJrX ..
[06:14] <Mulder> xorg-driver-fglrx
[06:15] <chu_> Then you'll come across "## End Default Options ##"
[06:15] <SJrX> Ah just copy it
[06:15] <Mulder> ultratek: better yet, http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=fglrx
[06:16] <ultratek> mulder: idid the apt-cache and i got unable to find package...
[06:16] <Mulder> ultratek, package name is xorg-driver-fglrx not fglrx
[06:17] <chu_> You all good SJrX?
[06:17] <SJrX> Yeah I'm about to reboot
[06:18] <chu_> Alright
[06:18] <ultratek> mulder: ty
[06:21] <ultratek> mulder: how do i access the ccc i do not see it?
[06:21] <Mulder> ?
[06:21] <ultratek> catalyst control center
[06:21] <Mulder> why dont you open synaptic and search for 'fglrx
[06:21] <ultratek> i have
[06:21] <Mulder> bunch fo packages
[06:21] <ultratek> everything is installed
[06:22] <ultratek> for fglrx
[06:22] <chu_> the easiest solution; just buy nvidia :p
[06:22] <Mulder> then you didnt pay attention to the part where i said fglrx has dropped support for everything before R600
[06:22] <ultratek> well you did say it is a prerealease
[06:23] <ultratek> i have a hd4850
[06:23] <Mulder> ok
[06:23] <Mulder> and fglrx-amdccle is installed?
[06:23] <ultratek> it is
[06:23] <Mulder> amdcccle
[06:23] <Mulder> did you look in the applications menu?
[06:23] <Mulder> usually under accessories
[06:23] <Mulder> at least, it was under previous ubuntu releases
[06:23] <ultratek> ahh
[06:23] <ultratek> ty
[06:23] <ultratek> lol
[06:25] <Greenery> i got grub error 15 after installing kubuntu jaunty beta, how do i fix this?
[06:56]  * error404notfound is loving jaunty... 
[06:57] <error404notfound> ubuntu just keeps amazing me..
[06:57] <kady> With it's fashion sense?
[06:58] <TychoQuad> Fullscreen applications flicker whenever something transparent appears on top of them. is there any way to fix this?
[07:00] <crdlb> TychoQuad: yes, do you have ccsm?
[07:00] <TychoQuad> yes
[07:01] <crdlb> General Options > Unredirect fullscreen windows
[07:01] <TychoQuad> uncheck it?
[07:01] <crdlb> yep
[07:02] <TychoQuad> that fixed it, thanks
[07:03] <crdlb> yw
[07:03] <TychoQuad> hmmm, on my ibex install that box is checked and it has no problem... what's causing that?
[07:03] <crdlb> I believe ubuntu enables it because it's faster
[07:04] <crdlb> hmm, not sure, but one of the compiz maintainers told me that it's expected
[07:06] <TychoQuad> oh well. I'll keep an eye on it. thanks for your help
[07:10] <TychoQuad> what do you guys think of GNOME's new plan?
[07:17] <DreadKnight> heya; i have intel gma 950 video card.. and with latest upgrades... blender is displaying very ugly..
[07:18] <foxbuntu> DreadKnight, explain "blender is ugly"
[07:19] <DreadKnight> video glitches all over.. when move around in viewport frames sort of overlap..
[07:19] <DreadKnight> and i don't get to see buttons and such..
[07:20] <DreadKnight> and i have compiz disabled (because don't works well with blender anyways)
[07:20] <foxbuntu> DreadKnight, you sure your actually utilizing the intel driver for x?
[07:20] <DreadKnight> how to make sure? :P
[07:21] <DreadKnight> i recall i have it installed
[07:21] <foxbuntu> DreadKnight, check the logs to look for errors: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:21] <DreadKnight> package is installed.. ok..
[07:23] <DreadKnight> seems ... faily ok to me...
[07:23] <DreadKnight> is it 'safe' to show you the log?
[07:24] <DreadKnight> i could even try to grab a screeny of blender
[07:24] <foxbuntu> DreadKnight, yeah...nothing specific in the logs
[07:24] <DreadKnight> if 9.04 final is released like this.. i'll better spend the time and downgrade
[07:24] <foxbuntu> DreadKnight, go ahead and pastebin it
[07:24] <DreadKnight> ok
[07:25] <foxbuntu> DreadKnight, intel stuff usually works pretty well...we just need to figure out what is going on :)
[07:25] <error404notfound> What is "System Testing", seems to crash everything I start it..
[07:25] <foxbuntu> DreadKnight, I personally am using Intel hardware with video on 9.04
[07:25] <DreadKnight> foxbuntu: http://paste2.org/p/177905
[07:26] <DreadKnight> error404notfound: it's for testing your system for some stuff and reporting back to launchpad or whatever
[07:26] <DreadKnight> like internet connection, sound etc
[07:26] <error404notfound> hmmm...
[07:26] <error404notfound> btw, I can't seem to change the placement of pop notification
[07:27] <DreadKnight> foxbuntu: screenie http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/11977/screenshot_001_7Lvzh4.png
[07:27] <o0Chris0o> error404notfound→ you wouldn't find it anyways, there isn't an option yet
[07:27] <error404notfound> hmmm...
[07:27] <o0Chris0o> unfortunally
[07:28] <DreadKnight> foxbuntu: as you see.. complete garbage .. can't do any work like that ... it's daunting enough that compositing doesn't plays well with blender... T_T
[07:28] <ghindo> Is anybody else having trouble with Gnome-Do?
[07:28] <TychoQuad> I wouldn't mind finding out if you can move the popup too
[07:28] <error404notfound> ghindo: nope..
[07:28] <foxbuntu> DreadKnight, hmm ok...looks like the intel driver is actually loading like it should
[07:29] <DreadKnight> mhm
[07:29] <o0Chris0o> TychoQuad→ you can't right now, there is a wishlist over at launchpad you can sign
[07:29] <DreadKnight> ghindo: what kind of trouble? :P
[07:29] <error404notfound> DreadKnight: what was that screenshot? Windows 3.11? :P
[07:29] <ghindo> DreadKnight: When I summon Gnome-Do, it appears behind all active windows
[07:29] <TychoQuad> o0Chris0o, thanks.
[07:30] <DreadKnight> error404notfound: blender 3d, best creation suite ever... in full screen... ; next version is due in a few moths.. and it will look eye candy to say so
[07:30] <TychoQuad> ghindo, i get that for the first summon. i unsummon it and then resummon it, and it appears on top
[07:30] <o0Chris0o> TychoQuad→ np
[07:30] <DreadKnight> ghindo: happened to me once eh
[07:30] <DreadKnight> yeah
[07:30] <error404notfound> hmmm, never really worked in OpenSource 3D-stuff.. had a crush on 3dmax in darkages when I used windows...
[07:31] <foxbuntu> DreadKnight, http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.12.30/intel-945-video-hint/
[07:31] <DreadKnight> im looking forward to be able to search for specific banshee or whatever music player tracks and play them using gnome-do.. atm it crashes when i try that
[07:31] <DreadKnight> foxbuntu: never tried that.. was happy enough... guess i should give it a go
[07:32] <ghindo> It happens every time with me :(
[07:33] <foxbuntu> DreadKnight, dont change the identifier
[07:33] <foxbuntu> DreadKnight, just the other options
[07:34] <jack|ass> where does md store it's configuration info about which drive goes with which array?  For some reason it keeps trying to treat a single drive as a raid rather than the constituent drives.
[07:34] <DreadKnight> foxbuntu: mhm
[07:35] <RAOF> ghindo: There don't appear to be any bugs open against gnome-do in Ubuntu with that description... (hint, hint) :)
[07:37] <Raspberry> I can't seem to install Ubuntu 9.04 on my system that has an nVidia 9600GT
[07:38] <Raspberry> I've tried 8.04, 8.10 and now the Beta 9.04 -- the Beta 9.04 seems the most promising as the display just goes blank but hitting the Reset button will get the system to "shutdown" and eject the CD at which point I can press ENTER and the system will reboot (normal Ubuntu Install abort / complete behavior)
[07:38] <error404notfound> after the upgrade I see that my splash screen is disappeared instead I see all text printed on a console, even though "splash" is in there in menu.lst, is it typical?
[07:38] <Raspberry> I'm going to try the install with F4 then "Safe Graphics Mode"
[07:38] <ghindo> RAOF: I'm still trying to determine if it's a bug or me just doing something stupid
[07:38] <Raspberry> and see if that works
[07:39] <Raspberry> error404notfound: depends on your video card
[07:39] <Raspberry> error404notfound: what video card and have you modified the default grub config?
[07:40] <error404notfound> I am on HP Compaq 6720s, "VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c), Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)" (from lspci) with no modification to menu.lst
[07:40] <Raspberry> hey!  I thin k"Safe Graphics Mode" will actually work as of the BETA 9.04
[07:40] <Raspberry> I've been waiting to install Ubuntu on my new system since August
[07:42] <albech> awesome job on the 9.04 beta.. was a breeze to install and run on my Sony Vaio. Everything detected out of the box
[07:44] <Raspberry> wow the partition mgr (step 4) is pretty slow detecting all the drives when you've got 6 heavily partition drives ranging from 1TB down to 72GB /ea
[07:44] <foxbuntu> Raspberry, uh...duh?
[07:44] <foxbuntu> ;)
[07:45] <error404notfound> I personally didn't expect jaunty to be this good while it was beta, now I am amazed. I think with a community as big as ubuntu's even beta is quality software...
[07:46] <foxbuntu> error404notfound, well Beta is not release, but its not far from it
[07:47] <albech> foxbuntu, depends on who is releasing the software ;)
[07:47] <error404notfound> foxbuntu: but this much good beta, its quite unusual :D
[07:47] <Mulder> if it was EA games they would've released it at alpha 3
[07:47] <albech> Mulder, and called it final
[07:47] <foxbuntu> lol
[07:47] <error404notfound> I love to try out new things even in alpha, and I haven't found a beta as good as this one...
[07:47] <Mulder> albech, indeed heh
[07:48] <Raspberry> Jaunty is SOOOOO much better than 8.10 on my ThinkPad x61t
[07:48] <albech> im very impressed myself.. just got it up and running 10 min ago.. no sweat at all
[07:48] <foxbuntu> DreadKnight, any luck?
[07:49] <Raspberry> I was waiting to upgrade because of Intel video driver issues / OpenGL problems, but they seem to be must less prominent ...  I also saw there's a Xorg.conf change I can make to improve performance even more
[07:49] <Mulder> you may be praising too soon if you're on intel or radeon though
[07:49] <albech> going to be testing the power save functions and resume functions over the next few days.. those are not too good for my VAIO in 8.10
[07:49] <error404notfound> This might be the best release after 6.06 (I never liked any release as much as dapper)...
[07:49] <DreadKnight> foxbuntu: will try in a bit, curently at this tablet pc and don't want to restart session xD
[07:49] <error404notfound> Mulder: I am on intel :P
[07:49] <Raspberry> I'm on intel too
[07:49] <foxbuntu> DreadKnight, slacker :P
[07:50] <error404notfound> When I got running with jaunty, the first thing I thought was like "this is what an operating system is supposed to be like" :P :D
[07:50] <foxbuntu> error404notfound, well then obviously you need to go get Mythbuntu :)
[07:51] <albech> the new login screen looks fabulous..
[07:51] <error404notfound> foxbuntu: have heard that name many times, never tried, might try today... what is it? if you have couple of minutes :D
[07:51] <Raspberry> It's just nice to see an OS "upgrade" that doesn't make things more annoying ... *cough* Vista *cough* ... even Windows 7 is good, but not great
[07:51] <error404notfound> albech: just the login screen? I love system janitor, the enw volume controller, notifications :D
[07:51] <Raspberry> error404notfound: are you thinking of Slackware?
[07:51] <Raspberry> notifications are really nice
[07:52] <albech> no, but it is quite limited what i have had time to look at with only 15 min running
[07:52] <error404notfound> Raspberry: nope, what made me look like that?
[07:52] <foxbuntu> error404notfound, its MythTV + Ubuntu with optimizations and software to manage MythTV
[07:52] <Raspberry> error404notfound: no idea
[07:52]  * error404notfound is living in a cave, doesn't even know what mythubuntu is :D
[07:52] <Raspberry> error404notfound: oh, you're talking about Mythbuntu
[07:52]  * error404notfound is tooooo happy today...
[07:53] <error404notfound> this smooth upgrade, its too good to be true, thanks cannonical, thanks ubuntu community... love ya all...
[07:53]  * foxbuntu is a core dev for Mythbuntu :)
[07:53] <Raspberry> error404notfound: yeah, use the Mythbuntu distro ... not MythTV on the standard Ubuntu install -- the Mythbuntu install (which can be installed on Ubuntu with a bit of work) is really nice and straight forward for setup.   I've got a system that's been running non-stop in my living room for the last 2 years.
[07:53]  * error404notfound feels he and foxbuntu might get along if he is core dev :D
[07:53] <Frijolie> isn't there an installation image for Jaunty but for a USB drive desktop.i386?
[07:54] <Raspberry> The biggest problem I've had with Mythbuntu is that I need to upgrade my processor since 0.21... I haven't done that and I get lag when mutliple HD shows are recording and I'm playing a recorded show back
[07:54] <foxbuntu> Raspberry, glad to meet users always
[07:54] <foxbuntu> Raspberry, what proc is it?
[07:55]  * error404notfound is googling on why should he use mythubuntu... 
[07:55] <Frijolie> guess not
[07:55] <Raspberry> foxbuntu: I'd have to check for sure, but I believe it's an AMD Athlon64x2 3800+ with 2GB of RAM
[07:55] <Raspberry> my CPU usage is routinely 3.5 to 5.00 :)
[07:55] <Raspberry> mythcommflag really grinds it :)
[07:56] <foxbuntu> Raspberry, yeah...it will need an upgrade, with plans of MythTV .22 being in by 9.10, you need to upgrade it before then if you plan to keep moving up with Ubuntu
[07:56] <foxbuntu> Raspberry, yeah...I actually have another machine that has the backend on it and just does commflagging
[07:57] <foxbuntu> Raspberry, commflagging is very very cpu intensive
[07:57] <Raspberry> foxbuntu: this was my prototype box -- it's running front and backend on the same system.  I think I'll buy a new IBM/Lenovo T100 Server and put the PC-HDTV cards in that and just leave the 3800 in the livingroom as the front-end
[07:57] <foxbuntu> Raspberry, what video card is in that machine?
[07:58] <foxbuntu> the current one
[07:58] <Raspberry> nvidia FX something or other... some cheap card with 256mb
[07:58] <foxbuntu> Raspberry, hmm too bad...
[07:58] <Raspberry> sorry MX
[07:58] <Raspberry> foxbuntu: are we going to start being able to offload commflag to the GPU?
[07:58] <foxbuntu> Raspberry, you might still be boardline with HD content come MythTV .22
[07:59] <foxbuntu> Raspberry, no, but I was thinking about nvidia VDPAU
[07:59] <Raspberry> foxbuntu: I don't even need HD (I have an old TV) ... it's juts that everything is broadcasting HD
[07:59] <foxbuntu> Raspberry, that doesnt do anything for hardware requirements
[08:00] <foxbuntu> your still processing HD
[08:00] <Raspberry> yeah I know
[08:00] <Raspberry> fox -- I don't know if we want to continue this conv / question here... but I've got two shows that are stuck in my Recorded programs, but they're size "0" and they were never really recorded... It was a test on a different tuner (that failed horribly) -- so when I delete them... they disappear for about 5 seconds and then show back up.  Is there a clean way to remove them from the system?
[08:01] <foxbuntu> Raspberry, lets move it over to our support channel #ubuntu-mythtv
[08:07] <TychoQuad> when I have pidgin set to use alsa for sound, sometimes the sound card buzzes when pidgin makes sound. anyone know how to fix this other than to set pidgin to use esound?
[08:19] <kaytortuga> Anyone know how to get jaunty to recognize two graphics cards?
[08:20] <crdlb> kaytortuga: to do what?
[08:20] <TychoQuad> one would assume to display stuff from both
[08:21] <kaytortuga> I have two cards, an intel integrated card, and an ati pci card, I'd like to use both monitors at the same time.
[08:21] <kaytortuga> either with a twin view, or dual head setup.
[08:21] <crdlb> kaytortuga: ATI what?
[08:21] <kaytortuga> but the issue is that the proprietary ati driver doesn't support my card.
[08:21] <crdlb> that's not an issue at all
[08:21] <kaytortuga> 01:04.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE]
[08:22] <kaytortuga> and:
[08:22] <kaytortuga> 00:02.0 Display controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)
[08:22] <crdlb> very cutting-edge :)
[08:22] <kaytortuga> crdlb, ubuntu automatically detects the integrated card, when it's the only one
[08:22] <kaytortuga> and when I plugin the pci card, it is the one that is used,
[08:22] <kaytortuga> but I can't seem to get them both to be 'used'
[08:22] <crdlb> there shouldn't be anything preventing ubuntu from using both in separate Screens
[08:23] <crdlb> (which can be merged with xinerama)
[08:23] <kaytortuga> ok
[08:23] <black9ice> I would say bios setting/issue
[08:23] <crdlb> kaytortuga: you just define two device, monitor, and screen sections
[08:23] <kaytortuga> both cards are detected, but ubuntu only displays on the one...
[08:23] <crdlb> yes, it's not automatic
[08:23] <kaytortuga> crdlb, is there a way to detect the proper settings?
[08:24] <kaytortuga> or to generate the conf?
[08:24] <crdlb> the only multihead that can be automatic is XRandR, but that doesn't support multiple GPUs yet
[08:24] <crdlb> not that I know of
[08:24] <nanomad> what package for flashplayer should I use? flashplugin-nonfree or adobe-flashplayer?
[08:24] <crdlb> using Xinerama or separate screens is mostly on its way out
[08:24] <cwillu> kaytortuga, I don't think x1.6 has restored full support for multiple gpu configuration yet
[08:24] <cwillu> kaytortuga, certainly xrandr isn't quite there yet
[08:24] <crdlb> but there are some niches for it
[08:25] <kaytortuga> cwillu, what about 8.10?
[08:25] <kaytortuga> I could down grade...
[08:25] <crdlb> eh? plain ol' Xinerama should still work, shouldn't it?
[08:25] <cwillu> kaytortuga, you'd be downgrading to 7.04
[08:25] <kaytortuga> hmm....
[08:25] <kaytortuga> no thanks...
[08:25] <cwillu> you should be able to configure it via xorg, but xrandr itself isn't going to be much help I don't think
[08:25] <crdlb> what would feisty offer over current X?
[08:25] <cwillu> in addition, multiple cards across vendors is fraught with instability
[08:26] <crdlb> even when they're both mesa drivers?
[08:26] <cwillu> mesa isn't really related to this
[08:26] <cwillu> crdlb, feisty was the last version before multi-gpu support was removed temporarily with the introduction of xrandr 1.2
[08:26] <crdlb> you know what I mean
[08:26] <cwillu> crdlb, not completely removed, but configuring it became quite a bit trickier
[08:27] <crdlb> in what way is it trickier?
[08:27] <cwillu> crdlb, it's whether the cards will coexist
[08:27] <kaytortuga> they could be two different windows, that is fine
[08:27] <cwillu> crdlb, buggy.  I used to have 6 monitor display setup via radeon, with the introduction of xrandr1.2, the mouse could only move to the the screen to the right (you couldn't move it back after you cross to the right)
[08:28] <cwillu> that included xinerama and normal independant screens
[08:28] <crdlb> O_o
[08:28] <cwillu> support has been coming back, but I don't know how well it works yet
[08:28] <kaytortuga> cwillu, could I try atleast?
[08:28] <cwillu> certainly
[08:28] <kaytortuga> is there a tutorial that documents the process?
[08:28] <cwillu> I'm just saying it's going to be an xorg.conf configuration mess, and there aren't any tutorials for it yet :p
[08:29] <TychoQuad> when I have pidgin set to use alsa for sound, sometimes the sound card buzzes when pidgin makes sound. anyone know how to fix this other than to set pidgin to use esound?
[08:29] <kaytortuga> ok, then I'll deal with xorg.conf
[08:29] <cwillu> I think you'll have more luck using vesa for at least one of the cards rather than the normal driver
[08:29] <kaytortuga> I don't see a reason not to use vesa for both...
[08:29] <cwillu> if you can get X to fire up monitors on both cards at all, you're probably 90% of the way there
[08:29] <kaytortuga> if I can use both monitors...
[08:30] <kaytortuga> I can do one or the other right now, and it will default to the pci card if it is there...
[08:31] <cwillu> kaytortuga, let me know your progress, I might be able to help out with specific issues (although I'm dead tired right now, so explore it for 12 hours or so before you ping me about it :)
[08:31] <nanomad> TychoQuad: this happens to me too if I have the volume all the way up. Is this your case?
[08:31] <kaytortuga> can you point me in the right direction?
[08:31] <cwillu> fwiw, even windows reverted to generic vesa drivers when going across gpu brands
[08:31] <TychoQuad> which volume? I have the system volume all the way up, but pidgins is not
[08:32] <nanomad> TychoQuad: system one (the slider is called PCM here)
[08:32] <cwillu> kaytortuga, look for one of the old multi-head guides (pre xrandr 1.2), that should get you started as far as what the xorg.conf will probably look like
[08:32] <cwillu> kaytortuga, "Xorg -configure" may give you something sensible as well
[08:32] <kaytortuga> how do I stop X?
[08:33] <nanomad> kaytortuga: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:33] <kaytortuga> /etc/init.d/gdm stop?
[08:33] <kaytortuga> ok
[08:33] <kaytortuga> thanks
[08:33] <cwillu> kaytortuga, if -configure doesn't actually create displays for both devices, unplugging the ati, running it, replugging the ati, running it again, and mixing the two versions should get you the rough pieces you need
[08:33] <kaytortuga> ok, thanks.
[08:33] <kaytortuga> bye
[08:34] <TychoQuad> i reduced pcm to 80% and it still buzzes, although quieter (and much louder than pidgins actual alert sound)
[08:37] <nanomad> TychoQuad: does this happen if you choose "automatic" in pidgin?
[08:37] <TychoQuad> it uses alsa
[08:37] <TychoQuad> so yes
[08:37] <nanomad> ok
[08:37] <nanomad> so, try lowering all the sliders to about 80% (not only PCM)
[08:38] <TychoQuad> i lowered the master volume and while it doesn't buz for the entire duration of the sound now, it does make the speakers click at the start of playback occasionally still
[08:39] <nanomad> TychoQuad: how about an hardware problem (faulty/bad shielded cable)?
[08:39] <nanomad> TychoQuad: also, are you using a laptop?
[08:40] <TychoQuad> only pidgin does it, and no this is on my desktop
[08:40] <nanomad> TychoQuad: ok
[08:40] <nanomad> TychoQuad: every pidgin sound?
[08:41] <TychoQuad> every sound pidgin makes yes, but only about half the time. any other application i've tried that makes sound has no problem
[08:42] <TychoQuad> know where pidin stores it's default sounds? I'll try playing them through totem
[08:43] <nanomad> mhh, let me search them
[08:44] <nanomad> TychoQuad: /usr/share/sounds/purple
[08:45] <nanomad> TychoQuad: try this: leave totem open (with nothing playing) and see if pidgin sounds are "wrong"
[08:46] <TychoQuad> okay, it looks like it's the sounds themselves. it still happens when playing through totem
[08:46] <nanomad> TychoQuad: wow
[08:46] <nanomad> TychoQuad: please do an md5sum of the sounds so that i can compare them with mine
[08:47] <frybye> any tips on getting full apci support with the nbremix 9.04 on a 1000h netbook??
[08:47] <TychoQuad> how do i do that?
[08:47] <frybye> scipts I found on the net do not seem to be for/tested for the nbr...?
[08:47] <nanomad> from console, type md5sum /usr/share/sounds/purple/*
[08:48] <nanomad> and paste the output to the pastebin
[08:48] <nanomad> !paste | TychoQuad
[08:49] <nanomad> frybye: well, if they are for Ubuntu 9.04 they should work
[08:49] <TychoQuad> http://paste.ubuntu.com/144711/
[08:49] <nanomad> TychoQuad: see, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/347544
[08:50] <frybye> nanomad: that is interesting - but on the other hand so far what I find is for intrepid...or - up too inkrepid.. e e e e intrepid...
[08:50] <nanomad> TychoQuad: the sounds are the same as mine
[08:50] <nanomad> frybye: care to post the link to the tutorial?
[08:51] <frybye> I have to go look again... I found some stuff yesterday.. be back soon as I find...
[08:51] <TychoQuad> so known bug. thanks nanomad
[08:51] <nanomad> TychoQuad: well, post the result of your test in the bugreport (sounds crackling also when played in totem)
[08:58] <TychoQuad> done. for now i've replaced pidgins sounds with a few kde oggs
[08:58] <TychoQuad> that seems to solve my immediate problem
[08:58] <TychoQuad> thanks for your help
[08:59] <black9ice> any help with a wierd issue that using wine gpanel doesnt go away, so they are overlaid onto the apps I am using full screen....grrr
[09:00] <frybye> looks line I have found smthing now  - I will go try out.. brb
[09:00] <frybye> http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/eeepc-acpi-scripts
[09:01] <Raspberry> I have a nasty issue with 9.04 -- it doesn't recognize my BIOS' Mirrored drives
[09:01] <black9ice> guess I will have to disable desktop effects?  or is there a way to exclude wine from using it when launched?
[09:01] <Raspberry> RAID1 Mirrors... on my Intel Chipset -- do I need to install some other packages so that Linux doesn't accidently break my mirrors?
[09:03] <nanomad> Raspberry: which chipset?
[09:05] <Raspberry> nanomad: it looks like the 82801 SATA RAID Controller
[09:05] <nanomad> Raspberry: intel ich5?
[09:06] <Raspberry> ich10r?
[09:06] <Raspberry> maybe
[09:06] <Raspberry> looks like ICH10
[09:07] <frybye> nanomad: when I try to mark acpi-scripts synaptic says that "Hängt ab: acpi-support-base but it is not instable" (Hängt ab: meanst sort of - casts off - let's drop etc..)
[09:08] <nanomad> frybye: acpi-support-base isnt in ubuntu 9.04
[09:08] <frybye> nanomad: acpi-support is to be found.. so what now?
[09:09] <nanomad> frybye: you should fill a bug against eeepc-acpi-scripts
[09:09] <nanomad> in the meantime you can download the package and install it via sudo dpkg --force-all -i *deb_file_goes_here*
[09:10] <nanomad> frybye: make sure you install all the dependencies first, since that method will skip dependecy check
[09:10] <frybye> at http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/eeepc-acpi-scripts there is in the area - related packages a note that acpi-support-base is not available"" ? - so does that mean it does not ..eh
[09:10] <empathy> hey i had to disable AHCI to get ubuntu to install properly, i was wondering if its possible to re-enable it?
[09:11] <frybye> nanomad: how do you mean exactly - if this acpi-support-base is not available - how do i install it...?
[09:11] <f> can anyone help solve a kernel panic?
[09:11] <nanomad> Raspberry: you should use dmraid, but i cannot  help you
[09:11] <nanomad> frybye: you simply dont install it
[09:11] <frybye> but the other dependancies you mean...?
[09:12] <nanomad> frybye: manually install all the other depends
[09:12] <ghindo> f:  Do you have more details about these kernel panics...?
[09:12] <frybye> nanomad: excuse my relative ignorance - but how should i go about doing that...?
[09:12] <zie> helo there
[09:12] <f> "not syncing VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown block (0,0)" ghindo, sorry i was typing it
[09:12] <nanomad> Raspberry: look in the forums for a guide on dmraid
[09:12] <Raspberry> k thanks nanomad
[09:12] <frybye> nanomad: part of my problem is that I have a war damaged memory.. sorry - makes things difficult I k now..
[09:12] <nanomad> frybye: open synaptic and manually select all the package marked as depends
[09:13] <frybye> nanomad: ok i try it.. thanks..
[09:13] <nanomad> frybye: so, acpid, pm-utils and acpi-support
[09:13] <nanomad> empathy: what mainboard do you have?
[09:13] <RandomCake> Hi, I just insalled 9.04 on a P4 system, and after logging in I've just got a blank screen and a mouse cursor, how can I go about figuring out what's wrong? :S
[09:13] <nanomad> f: filesystem type?
[09:13] <f> nanomad: ext4
[09:14] <empathy> nanomad: i have an ASUS M50VM laptop with an intel ICH9M southbridge, unknown NB chipset
[09:14] <nanomad> f, root device?
[09:14] <frybye> nanomad: the first thing listed that it needs is acpi-support-base ... hmmm
[09:14] <f> nanomad: local hard drive
[09:14] <Raspberry> hmm dmraid isn't even installed
[09:14] <frybye> so i just leave that one out nevertheless - right?
[09:14] <nanomad> empathy: if it is a laptop you should fill a bug (maybe a bugged DSDT table)
[09:14] <zie> i was succesfully fresh installation mysql. mysqld has running. getting someerror can't connect to localhost.  i can't setup new password ?
[09:15] <zie> any solve ?
[09:15] <f> also got error message, "acpi: aborted because bad gzip magic numbers"
[09:15] <empathy> hm. yeah no versions of ubuntu would install without AHCI disabled. so there is no way i can re-enable it for now?
[09:15] <nanomad> frybye: go on and dont install it
[09:15] <frybye> it also says is "in conflikt with   acpi-support
[09:15] <frybye> so I ignore that also.. right...?
[09:15] <f> that error message happens just before the kernel panic
[09:15] <f> don't know if it's related
[09:15] <nanomad> empathy: if you enable it, ubuntu wont boot
[09:16] <nanomad> f: dont think so
[09:16] <f> nanomad: any suggestions?
[09:16] <f> I've never had a kernel panic before...=-O
[09:16] <nanomad> f: so whats the device/partition of ubuntu? /dev/sd??
[09:17] <empathy> nanomad: will it cause problems having it disabled with my existing Vista/7 installs?
[09:17] <nanomad> empathy: well did you disable it via bios? or at grub?
[09:17] <f> nanomad: i'm not sure which one. the only hard drive on there was partitioned manually. one for /swap, one for '/', and another for /home
[09:17] <f> in that order
[09:17] <empathy> via bios
[09:17] <nanomad> f, no other partitions?
[09:17] <f> nanomad: nope
[09:17] <empathy> didnt know i could disable it at grub
[09:18] <nanomad> empathy: you could try keeping it disabled.
[09:19] <f> nanomad: it was working after the first reboot--after a fresh install. I ran updates (a kernel update was among them) and this is what's happening. I think it was that last kernel update that fried it
[09:19] <nanomad> f: thats strange since i have an ext4 root
[09:19] <f> nanomad: yeah both partitions "/" and "/home" are ext4
[09:19] <nanomad> f: can you post your /boot/grub/menu.list?
[09:20] <nanomad> f: its menu.lst of course ;9
[09:20] <f> nanomad: how do you do that? the computer won't even boot
[09:20] <f> nanomad: it barley gets past POST
[09:20] <empathy> nanomad: where do i file a report for the lack of AHCI support on my asus laptop?
[09:21] <nanomad> empathy: bugs.launchpad.net
[09:21] <f> nanomad: it probably happens within the first 10seconds of boot--as soon as the messages appear on the screen
[09:21] <nanomad> empathy: but search it first
[09:21] <empathy> okay, thank you
[09:21] <f> and beyond BIOS
[09:21] <nanomad> f: that looks like a wrong menu.lst or a missing kernel module (maybe the controller one?)
[09:22] <f> nanomad: I don't know, what can I do?
[09:22] <nanomad> f: the only way to debug this is: 1) check menu.lst 2) install an older kernel and see if it boots
[09:23] <f> nanomad: how can I get past the kernel panic?
[09:23] <nanomad> f: you cant
[09:23] <nanomad> f: since its a *kernel* error
[09:23] <f> nanomad: d'oh! ah, yeah I can't get to a terminal or anything
[09:23] <nanomad> you should chroot into the system from a alternate cd
[09:24] <nanomad> and install an older kernel
[09:24] <f> nanomad: ok, can you walk me through that? I've never done such thing
[09:24] <f> nanomad: i've got a LiveCD
[09:25] <mpoz2> Is there a main/meta bug report about the upgrade-suspended-due-to-python2.6 issue in LP? Where I can see when it is fixed?
[09:26] <nanomad> f: try booting with that and see if it gives you the option to "rescue a broken system" or such
[09:26] <f> nanomad: oh wait, it was an install CD. I don't think it's "Live". I'll try
[09:26] <f> nanomad: thanks for trying to help
[09:27] <nanomad> ok
[09:27] <frybye> nanomad: I have used synaptic to find and install e v e r y t h i n g listed as depend. and suggested (ttfs etc..) for the eeepc-acpi-scripts - but when trying to mark it for installation still get faut report that it "Hängt ab: acpi-support-base but it is not installable
[09:28] <frybye> I got the word wrong last time  - i read not *instable* but it in facts says not *installable*
[09:28] <nanomad> frybye: ok, you have to install it manually
[09:28] <nanomad> frybye: downlad the package from packages.ubuntu.com
[09:28] <frybye> so I download it from the website I lested.. ok thanks...
[09:29] <nanomad> and then install it via sudo dpkg --force-all -i *file_name_goes_here*
[09:30] <f> nanomad: nope, there's "check disc for errors" and "boot options", I'm booting to the LiveCD
[09:30] <empathy> nanomad: is there any way i can make grub soft-disable ahci for ubuntu and enable it if i go to the vista loader?
[09:30] <marlun> If I've got a test server which is running 8.10 and I want to upgrade it to 9.04 what do I have to enter in the terminal? aptitude dist-upgrade does not work. (I asked this a couple of days ago but I lost the answer)
[09:30] <empathy> (this is if i have ahci enabled in bios)
[09:30] <nanomad> f, then download the alternate one
[09:30] <nanomad> marlun: currently you cant upgrade to 9.04, there is a python issue blocking the upgrade
[09:31] <nanomad> empathy: let me check
[09:31] <empathy> okay thanks
[09:31] <nanomad> marlun: for future reference, you can upgrade to 9.04 using sudo update-manager -c -d
[09:32] <nanomad> marlun: or by sudo do-release-upgrade -d -p
[09:32] <marlun> nanomad: ok :) Thanks! How do I know when it is possible to upgrade? :)
[09:33] <nanomad> marlun: check the topic of the irc channel
[09:34] <nanomad> empathy: you can edit the grub kernel line and append noapic nolapic acpi=off
[09:34] <nanomad> empathy: you can do that by selecting the kernel in grub and typing e for edit
[09:34] <frybye> nanomad: when double-clicking the eeepc-acpi-scripts*.deb it produces the fault report (yup you guessed right-) acpi-support-base cannot be resolved or similar.. (German)
[09:34] <nanomad> frybye:  install it via sudo dpkg --force-all -i *file_name_goes_here*
[09:34] <empathy> ok, thanks again nanomad
[09:35] <frybye> nanomad: and that has a fair chance of working ok or.. is it quite risky somehow.?
[09:35] <nanomad> frybye: there chanches it will work, but nothing is certain ;)
[09:36] <frybye> ok pal..
[09:42] <error404notfound> is the issue of "python-wxgtk2.8" due to which intrepid upgrades are suspended?
[09:44] <frybye> nanomad: as i force-installed the eeepc-acpi-scripts a red halt sign/icon showed up telling me I should start a system update - this is in the process of de-installeing the package but also apparently installing some related stuff...
[09:45] <nanomad> frybye: dunno, try ignoring that sign
[09:45] <nanomad> frybye: it happens 'couse the package *is broken*
[09:46] <nanomad> the best way would be not installing that eeepc thing and fill a bug
[09:46] <crdlb> error404notfound: no, it affected python-minimal, iirc. I don't think they're still suspeneded though
[09:46] <nanomad> crdlb: topic says so
[09:46] <nanomad> frybye: also, you could send a mail to the developer
[09:46] <crdlb> nanomad: the topic is not infallable :)
[09:47] <crdlb> the problem is definitely fixed, at least
[09:47] <frybye> well - that update is running its course.. I had better take a look what actually happend with that before I flame sbdy.. ;=) - perhaps - just perhaps the acpi is working now.. :=)
[09:48] <error404notfound> http://pastebin.com/m198875f9
[09:48] <nanomad> frybye: well eeepc*  IS broken, so a bug must be filled
[09:48] <nanomad> they should either update or remove it
[09:49] <frybye> ok - I will see if there already is one..
[09:49] <nanomad> good
[09:53] <error404notfound> so no one has http://pastebin.com/m198875f9 issue?
[09:55] <nanomad> error404notfound: well, that means that upgrade issues are not fixed ;)
[09:56] <error404notfound> seems like the only issue I faced though :p
[09:56] <nanomad> error404notfound: try looking into launchpad for alreay filled bug reports
[09:56] <error404notfound> its there...
[09:56] <nanomad> ok, status?
[09:56] <error404notfound> being fixed afaik
[09:56] <nanomad> so, you will have to wait (as topic says, indeed)
[09:57] <crdlb> that happens here too
[09:57] <crdlb> so it's not an upgrade issue :)
[09:57] <crdlb> just a broken pkg
[09:57] <error404notfound> hmmm, any improvements for intel as of yet?
[09:58] <error404notfound> even though its running great already, but I wanna see the best :D
[09:59] <error404notfound> crdlb: try sudo apt-get install python-wxaddons, should fix it :D
[09:59] <crdlb> I don't actually need it :>
[09:59] <frybye> nanomad: I read that a patch for the above problem has been inluded in the next kernal release - will I get that automatically see: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/232170/comments/54
[10:00] <error404notfound> strange, everybody says that it fixed the issue, on my system it doesn't...
[10:00] <nanomad> error404notfound: same here
[10:00] <error404notfound> nanomad: and great thing: now two broken packages :D
[10:00] <nanomad> error404notfound: which?
[10:01] <marlun> Is sound enabled on a ubuntu server by default or do I have to configure it?
[10:01] <error404notfound> anyways, its not something that will really effect my work, don't think its will have any effect on django...
[10:01] <error404notfound> python-wxgtk2.8, python-wxaddons
[10:01] <nanomad> error404notfound: which is the bug #?
[10:02] <nanomad> error404notfound: open synaptic (or aptitude) and mark those 2 pkgs for removal (or reinstall the older version)
[10:02] <error404notfound> I am not really sure, but https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wxwidgets2.8/+bug/203526 seems to be the one..
[10:02] <nanomad> error404notfound: thanks
[10:03] <error404notfound> nanomad: no problemo ..
[10:03]  * error404notfound stills hates when adobe air corrupts add/remove...
[10:04] <nanomad> error404notfound: seems like a different bug than #203526
[10:04] <error404notfound> nanomad: ? didn't had a clean look, was in hurry... my bad...
[10:05] <FrugalTest> Hello
[10:06] <FrugalTest> I would like to know what parts of Ubuntu 9.04 are still under development ?
[10:06] <FrugalTest> I would like to install it and use it for everyday, even if it's not recommended
[10:06] <FrugalTest> If there is no critical parts under development, I think I can use it everyday without that much problems :)
[10:07] <FrugalTest> ( and I would probably report some bugs, that would be fine :) )
[10:07] <f> nanomad: alright, I've downloaded and burnt the alternative install CD
[10:07] <f> nanomad: i'm at the part where it wants me to select my root partition and I don't know what to choose
[10:08] <f> dev/sd1, /dev/sd2, or /dev/sd3
[10:08] <nanomad>  f: try every partition (should be 2
[10:08] <nanomad> error404notfound: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wxwidgets2.8/+bug/355447
[10:08] <error404notfound> that I intentionally left, couldn't even decipher bug title
[10:09] <error404notfound> though ubottu says that its undecided, so fixes would be a little slow...
[10:10] <f> nomad: i tried every partition, none work
[10:10] <f> nonomad: each gives me a bright red screen
[10:11] <nanomad> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wxwidgets2.8/+bug/355447
[10:11] <nanomad> does this look a bit better?
[10:11] <nanomad> lol, ok, ubottu is a bit slow.
[10:11] <nanomad> i've updated the bug title/description and confirmed it
[10:11] <f> "an error occurred while tyring to mount the device"
[10:12] <nanomad> f: ok, thats strange
[10:12] <f> ..as suggested how do you "check syslog"?
[10:12] <nanomad> less /var/log/messages
[10:12] <nanomad> from console
[10:12] <f> but I don't even have a terminal
[10:12] <nanomad> alt-f2
[10:12] <nanomad> ;)
[10:12] <nanomad> f: try mouning sda1 or 3 too
[10:14] <nanomad> error404notfound: please subscribe to that bug report and say you have the same issue
[10:15] <error404notfound> the last link?
[10:15] <f> nanomad: "couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features" ... "invalid argument" /sda2
[10:15] <nanomad> yes: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wxwidgets2.8/+bug/355447
[10:16] <nanomad> f: i suppose it is trying to mount it as ext3, not ext4
[10:16] <nanomad> f: are you using a jaunty alternate cd?
[10:16] <error404notfound> nanomad: sure...
[10:16] <f> no, I downloaded a Intrepid alternate CD
[10:17] <nanomad> f: you should use the jaunty one ;)
[10:17] <f> ahhhhh!!!
[10:17] <f> hehe, alright back to the drawing board
[10:18] <f> did I make the fatal mistake of trying to use ext4?
[10:19] <error404notfound> done..
[10:23] <quellochetipare> hi all
[10:23] <quellochetipare> is there anyone who's following the development of ATI drivers for ubuntu 9.04? I'm beta-testing it and they has been great for a day, a couple of days ago, and then it returned not so well, having problems with the video buffer and 3d applications...
[10:32] <SiDi> Hello
[10:32] <SiDi> Is there a way to install Jaunty on, lets say, /dev/sda3, from another linux distro ? I don't have any CDs under hand
[10:33] <rww> SiDi: Try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromLinux, maybe. I haven't done it myself, so I wouldn't be able to help much with it, though.
[10:34] <SiDi> Thanks :)
[10:38] <SwedeMike> SiDi: you can also install it from an usb memory stick if that is available.
[10:38] <SiDi> ah yeh, good idea
[10:38] <SiDi> !usb
[10:39] <quellochetipare> since no one answered on my question, is there any dedicate channel for the ATI freedrivers for ubuntu where i can ask, or a bugreport?
[10:43] <Turms> quellochetipare: i prefer nvidia, i have an ati card though which i'm not able to use in the last 6 months or so
[10:44] <rww> quellochetipare: There's an unofficial Linux ATI channel at #ati. Bugs should be reported to launchpad.
[10:44] <rww> !bugs > quellochetipare
[10:44] <Dusteh2> Hi there! I'm on Jaunty, and I need to replace Metacity with Xfwm4, but --replace is temporary and changing other variables doesn't seem to work. Any ideas? :D
[10:44] <Frijolie> nanomad: alright just burnt the Jaunty alt CD and am going to try it...
[10:45] <Turms> quellochetipare: anyway, i've found a page which explains a workaround since the ati driver works on corg 7.1 only and we all are using the 7.3 one
[10:46] <Turms> Dusteh2: try on #debian-xfce , they'll give you the solution
[10:47] <quellochetipare> thanks you all. Turms: do you think that will be fixed until the release?
[10:48] <Turms> quellochetipare: read this page http://bitclash.wordpress.com/2007/10/13/xorg-73-e-driver-ati-fglrx/
[10:48] <quellochetipare> ok thx bye
[10:48] <Frijolie> ok, that worked..now it wants to know if I want to execute a shell in /sdb2 or the installer environment or install grub-bootloader...
[10:49] <Frijolie> anyone, anyone, bueler? bueler?
[10:50] <Turms> Frijolie: did you choose ext4? in this case install the grub-bootloader, i wasn't able to start jaunty by grub of another distro
[10:50] <Frijolie> yeah, I formatted as ext4
[10:50] <Frijolie> alright I'll install grub again see if that fixes my kernel panic
[10:51] <Turms> Frijolie: in my case i chose to clone the jaunty partition on another formatted as ext3 :-D
[10:51] <Turms> Frijolie: i do not think ext4 is ready yet
[10:52] <sal_> hi all
[10:52] <sal_> this morning jaunty no longer starts
[10:52] <sal_> it says "low graphic mode"
[10:52] <sal_> already reconfigured xorg
[10:52] <sal_> but it's the same
[10:52] <rww> JvA: 2.6.29 came out too late in the Jaunty development cycle for it to be tested properly, so regardless of speed improvements, it isn't going to be in Jaunty.
[10:52] <sal_> any idea?
[10:53] <JvA> rww: Ok, I understand :)
[10:54] <rww> JvA: It's the same reasoning that keeps intrepid on 2.6.27, for example :)
[10:54] <Frijolie> nope, same result--kernel panic
[10:54] <Frijolie> after reinstalling ext4
[10:55] <Frijolie> should I not format my "/"partition to ext4 and revert back to ext3?
[10:55] <Frijolie> is that what's causing my panic>
[10:55] <Frijolie> I don't know what to do from here
[10:55] <JvA> How "stable" is ext4 for everyday usage?
[10:56] <Frijolie> JvA: well I can say that I'm not having very good luck so far
[10:56] <JvA> Frijolie: ok
[10:56] <Frijolie> JvA: if that's the "root cause" (no pun intended) of my issue
[10:57] <JvA> heh
[10:57] <Frijolie> I was supposed to install grub to my / partition right?
[10:57] <Frijolie> (hd0,1)?
[10:57] <Frijolie> er (hd0,2)
[10:58] <SwedeMike> it's in /boot, so whereever you have that...
[10:59] <Frijolie> I didn't partition /boot, I only have 3 (/swap, /, and /home)
[10:59] <Frijolie> in that order
[10:59] <Frijolie> on the hard drive
[11:00] <SwedeMike> sounds like hd(0,2) then
[11:01] <SwedeMike> err.. (hd0,1) if it's sda2
[11:06] <ktebit> wHY can't i configure a HP netbook online with ubuntu???
[11:30] <TABASCO1> Hi
[11:30] <TABASCO1> I tried to test the Jaunty Beta Netbook Remix.
[11:31] <TABASCO1> I followed the instructions as given in the wiki. I tried it with ImageWriter and I tried it with dd. I tried two different USB sticks. And I tried two different computers. But all I get is "Boot Error"
[11:32] <TABASCO1> How can I fix this?
[11:41] <aetern> HI, after i have installed kubuntu 9.04, i can't connect to any wifi network. I think, knetworkmanager is broken. What i'm supposted to do
[11:43] <aetern> also, today i've runned "apt-get upgrade" and my nvidia drivers stopped working (reboot+recovery_mode xfix command fixed that, but i can't install any nvidia drivers).
[11:48] <aetern> there is my syslog of knetworkmanager http://www.paste.lt/paste/6165b7a7f968c48f0d2867da21266cd7
[11:57] <DreadKnight> foxbuntu: are you sure about that stuff related to http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.12.30/intel-945-video-hint/ changes?
[11:58] <foxbuntu> DreadKnight, seems related to your issue
[11:58] <DreadKnight> well composition works for me
[11:58] <DreadKnight> compositing*
[11:58] <foxbuntu> DreadKnight, give it a try...its easily reverseable if it makes things worse/doesnt help
[11:59] <DreadKnight> ok
[11:59] <DreadKnight> so what do i need to change?
[11:59] <DreadKnight> have intel gma 950
[11:59] <DreadKnight> in that code i mean
[12:00] <foxbuntu> hold on one sec
[12:00] <foxbuntu> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:00] <foxbuntu> in the device section:
[12:00] <DreadKnight> ill use gedit lol
[12:00] <DreadKnight> ok
[12:00] <foxbuntu>  Option          "AccelMethod"   "xaa"
[12:01] <foxbuntu> Driver          "i810"
[12:01] <foxbuntu> save and close that
[12:01] <foxbuntu> then
[12:01] <foxbuntu> gedit ~/.bashrc
[12:01] <foxbuntu> and at the bottom add this line:
[12:01] <foxbuntu> export INTEL_BATCH=1
[12:02] <DreadKnight> foxbuntu: my indentifier atm is: Identifier	"Configured Video Device"
[12:02] <DreadKnight> pff
[12:02] <foxbuntu> DreadKnight, thats fine
[12:02] <foxbuntu> leave it alone
[12:02] <DreadKnight> ok
[12:04] <seven> having some audio isues with the beta, when 2 programs try to play sounds at the same time, I'm hearing a crackling sound; like when you have a bad wiring
[12:05] <foxbuntu> seven, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Sound_Troubleshooting
[12:05] <foxbuntu> whoops wrong link
[12:05] <DreadKnight> foxbuntu: ok, now im gonna restart x and hopefully stuff still work xD
[12:05] <foxbuntu> DreadKnight, ok
[12:06] <foxbuntu> seven, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[12:06] <seven> ty for that link
[12:20] <Auslegung> Is there a way to get the benefits of lpia and the functionality off UNR, rolled into one?
[12:21] <Auslegung> And, is it possible to have UNR but with a normal Ubuntu interface?
[12:24] <DreadKnight> foxbuntu: well... that didn't go out too well
[12:25] <DreadKnight> foxbuntu: xserver had issues from the beginning with it... and when i managed to log in maximum resolution was 800x600... while i usually use 1400x...  i'm using a tablet pc... and the stylus wasn't working as well (have special settings for that in xorg.conf)
[12:26] <DreadKnight> foxbuntu: but at least when i managed to log in, blender wasn't fucked up at all...  i also wasn't able to enable desktop effects
[12:27] <Unggnu> hi all
[12:27] <Unggnu> Does usplash crashing for someone too?
[12:29] <albech> the new overlay stuff for volume, brightness etc looks really sweet
[12:29] <DreadKnight> yup
[12:30] <Raylz> is that save to install? python2.5 python2.5-minimal
[12:30] <Raylz> came in via update
[12:30] <DreadKnight> um just install it :P
[12:30] <albech> in general i must say the upgrade gives a huge boost to the look and feel of the system..
[12:31] <DreadKnight> too bad it fucks up with  more important things
[12:31] <rww> !ohmy > DreadKnight
[12:31] <albech> DreadKnight, i havent seen anything yet
[12:31] <DreadKnight> ....
[12:31] <albech> DreadKnight, and im even running on a system where the hardware vendor doesnt provide any information to the linux community
[12:32] <Auslegung> Is it possible to have the Netbook Remix but with a normal Ubuntu interface?
[12:32] <DreadKnight> Auslegung: just install ubuntu?
[12:32] <albech> the only thing that i have found not working on a clean install is screen dimming
[12:32] <albech> but that didnt work on any other version on ubuntu either
[12:33] <DreadKnight> albech: works fine here if you mean lowering brightness and such
[12:33] <Auslegung> DreadKnight I've got an eeePC and want the UNR functionality, but I hate the interface
[12:33] <DreadKnight> either hotkeys or the applet
[12:34] <DreadKnight> foxbuntu: any suggestions or i should prepare for a downgrade? :D
[12:34] <albech> DreadKnight, yes thats what i mean
[12:34] <albech> DreadKnight, it never worked on VAIO's by default
[12:34] <TABASCO> I tried to test the Jaunty Beta Netbook Remix via USB stick. I followed the instructions as given in the wiki. I tried it with ImageWriter and I tried it with dd. I tried two different USB sticks. And I tried two different computers. But all I get is "Boot Error"
[12:34] <DreadKnight> well, i can't get bluetoot headset working as well :P
[12:34] <DreadKnight> but heh
[12:35] <albech> my BT mouse was detected right away and running perfectly
[12:35] <DreadKnight> cool..
[12:35] <albech> improvement from 8.10 that required some conf file hacking
[12:35] <albech> i dont have the $$ to buy a BT headset ;)
[12:36] <DreadKnight> i have it on the shelf... useles... don't have a bt phone atm heh
[12:36] <DreadKnight> always something about linux/ubuntu to annoy me *sigh*
[12:37] <DreadKnight> perhaps i'm too much of a bleeding edge somewhat
[12:39] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:39] <DreadKnight> heya
[12:41] <albech> for years there has always been one thing that i could never get working, but since 7.10 i have had everything working
[12:41] <DreadKnight> neat
[12:42] <DreadKnight> well, different people , different systems and needs
[12:42] <DreadKnight> brb..
[12:47] <rio> hi, will the jaunty kernel support usbip?
[12:50] <Auslegung> tabasco you may need to download the file again
[12:51] <TABASCO> Auslegung: Was the download broken or is there a new version available?
[12:51] <ante_> so, I'm running the Jaunty beta and I'm experiencing the system freezing a couple of times a day, and the only thing I can do is to reboot it
[12:51] <ante_> is this a common problem?
[12:51] <ante_> and most importantly, is there a solution?
[12:52] <Auslegung> tabasco, well, when I downloaded it it took me a couple of tries
[12:52] <Auslegung> tabasco the first two times I downloaded it it was instantaneous, it didn't send any data with the file just the name basically
[12:53] <Auslegung> tabasco, how far do you get when you get boot error?
[12:53] <TABASCO> Auslegung: But the file is complete
[12:53] <TABASCO> Auslegung: Well okay, I'll try it
[12:53] <TABASCO> Thank you!
[12:54] <Auslegung> tabasco, what version of jaunty are you trying?
[12:54] <Auslegung> tabasco, nm, UNR
[12:55] <TABASCO> Auslegung: NBR
[12:55] <Auslegung> tabasco are you downloading from ubuntu's website?
[12:56] <BluesKaj> ante,  check your graphics card driver list in adept , it may not have chosen the correct driver update during your install
[12:56] <TABASCO> Auslegung: Sure
[12:56] <TABASCO> Auslegung: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/beta/
[12:56] <Auslegung> tabasco when booting, how far do you get when you get a boot error
[12:58] <ante_> BluesKaj: I'll try that
[12:58] <Auslegung> tabasco do you see the four options, one is try Ubuntu w/out changing your machine, one is install, one is memory test, etc?
[12:58] <ante_> Found a way to install some updates first, I'll try your way later
[12:58] <TABASCO> Auslegung: Well, in BIOS I change it to the USB stick
[12:59] <TABASCO> Auslegung: And then I only get the "Boot error"
[12:59] <TABASCO> And when I press Enter it comes again
[12:59] <Auslegung> oh, well, try downloading again and see what happens
[12:59] <Auslegung> I was hoping you got far enough to do a memory check
[13:12] <seven> ah, new compiz updates in the update manager
[13:12] <seven> let's see what gives :)
[13:20] <Hiubuntu> hi all
[13:20] <Hiubuntu> why my xorg takes about 60% memery
[13:21] <konrad1207> hello all
[13:21] <Hiubuntu> why my xorg takes about 60% memery
[13:21] <Mulder> you only have 100mb of ram?
[13:21] <Hiubuntu> no
[13:22] <Hiubuntu> 1.7G
[13:22] <Hiubuntu> top
[13:22] <Mulder> my xorg is taking up 55mb of ram
[13:22] <konrad1207> Does anybody know what packages to install to read ext4 filesystem?
[13:22] <Mulder> what top figure are you looking at
[13:22] <Mulder> because maybe you are misinterpretting those numbers
[13:23] <Hiubuntu> in the terminal
[13:24] <Hiubuntu> 2951 root      20   0 1505m 1.1g  17m S    9 64.5  40:11.13 Xorg
[13:25] <Mulder> that doesnt look normal
[13:26] <Mulder> either you're doing something intensive with your xserver or you have a memory leak
[13:26] <Mulder> or rather, xserver has a memory leak
[13:26] <Hiubuntu> does the driver effect
[13:26] <Hiubuntu> ？
[13:26] <Hiubuntu> ATI driver
[13:28] <BUGabundo> guud afternoon everyone
[13:36] <hyper_ch> hmmm, Kubuntu Jaunty has sound issues.... no sounde in firefox... no sound in VLC... but sound in KDE apps works
[13:40] <krzd> hi, i just installed lxde, but now i can't start gnome anymore. what can i do?
[13:41] <wilhart> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/
[13:41] <wilhart> there only beta ,not rc4 ?
[13:41] <wilhart> rc3?
[13:41] <krzd> wilhart, beta, then one rc, then final
[13:42] <BUGabundo> wilhart: check cdimage
[13:42] <BUGabundo>  !cdimage
[13:44] <wilhart> BUGabundo: ?
[13:44] <BUGabundo> wilhart: we won't have 4 release candidates
[13:44] <BUGabundo>  !releases
[13:45] <wilhart> BUGabundo: yea just rc3 i need not beta
[13:45] <BUGabundo> wilhart: I always get Dailies
[13:45] <BUGabundo>  !daily
[13:47] <wilhart> BUGabundo: current or live ?
[13:47] <wilhart> iwant graphical installlation
[13:47] <wilhart> so i can ircsimultamiously
[13:48] <BUGabundo> wilhart: you can have the LiveCD Destkop
[13:48] <BUGabundo> its daily-live
[13:48] <wilhart>  jaunty-desktop-i386.iso       03-Apr-2009 13:12  699M
[13:48] <wilhart> this is it?
[13:49] <BUGabundo> let me check
[13:50] <BUGabundo> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/jaunty-desktop-i386.iso
[13:50] <BUGabundo> check the md5 after you download it
[13:50] <BUGabundo> also use rsync if you already have a recent iso (like beta)
[13:53] <wilhart> BUGabundo: should i put ext4 ?
[13:53] <BUGabundo> do you need it?
[13:53] <wilhart> dunno it's faster right?
[13:55] <BUGabundo> ppl say so
[14:04] <wilhart> is that ext4 buggy +???
[14:10] <admin0> hi all .. if I install ubuntu 9 beta now, will it automatically update itself to stable when its released ?
[14:15] <marlun> If I want to know why vim is compiled without the clipboard function in jaunty what should I do? :)
[14:18] <hil> admin0: it will
[14:19] <BUGabundo> admin0: ues
[14:20] <Vorbote> marlun: the version of vim included in the base install is as close to the real vi as it can be. If you want more extra functionality you can install a more featureful version afterwards (or install emacs :-)). Hint: Make yourself familiar with the alternatives system.
[14:20] <BUGabundo> marlun: install the full vim suite! ubuntu comes with vim minimal
[14:24] <wilderigel> install vim is the first wath i do under ubuntu :)
[14:44] <d3xter_> hey guys
[14:44] <nandemonai> Are upgrades from 8.10 still blocked?
[14:44] <d3xter_> does a standard usb-image exist?
[14:45] <nandemonai> Yo d3xter_, not too sure on that myself.
[14:45] <d3xter_> i've found an remix usb-image or and a mid-image, but not a standard one :-S
[14:45] <d3xter_> -or
[14:45] <nandemonai> Mmm all I'm seeing is mid.
[14:46] <Leon_Nardella> d3xter_: Do you know unetbootin?
[14:46] <d3xter_> Leon_Nardella: never worked with it
[14:46] <Leon_Nardella> d3xter_: It does the job pretty well.
[14:46] <d3xter_> ok, i'll try it
[14:51] <Leon_Nardella> :)
[14:55] <Jenova_skill> Hi guys.... Using Kubuntu 9.04.... theres no icon for package manager is there ne way i can start that .
[14:55] <PolitikerNEU> Jenova_skill: hmm ... true, but you can start synaptic if you have installed it
[14:56] <BUGabundo> nandemonai: no, its fixed now
[14:56] <BUGabundo> d3xter_: no, not for Desktop. just use usb-creator to make one, based on the iso
[14:57] <BUGabundo> Leon_Nardella: lots of users have complained about unetbootin with jaunty... it did not fixed the boot devices
[14:57] <BUGabundo> jonathaN: type synaptic ?
[14:59] <nandemonai> Ah thanks BUGabundo ;)
[14:59] <nandemonai> I'm considering giving the upgrade a go.
[15:00] <BUGabundo> nandemonai: please read the release notes, and backup your important files, before you do
[15:00] <joshjtl> anyone know of a simple sound recorder app for kde?
[15:00] <nandemonai> Oh yeah obviously.
[15:00] <nandemonai> Worst case I'll be looking at a fresh install, just curious how well an upgrade will go.
[15:00] <nandemonai> I'm on a pretty fresh 8.10 install.
[15:01] <nandemonai> Just don't really want to have to redo all the confs yet again ;)
[15:06] <nandemonai> Actually one question.. I have my isp mirror setup for updates, I'm assuming a update-manager -d will continue to use this mirror?
[15:12] <BUGabundo> nandemonai: UM now tends to seek more mirrors
[15:12] <BUGabundo> I'm not sure what it uses
[15:15] <joshjtl> how do i find out where my mic is? i need to set it up with kwave
[15:23] <wirechief> joshjtl: have you tried alsaconf ?
[15:24] <joshjtl> wirechief: no... just "alsaconf" without anything else
[15:24] <joshjtl> ?
[15:25] <wirechief> alsamixer should do the trick
[15:27] <wirechief> joshjtl: for more info just check out the manual use : man alsaconf
[15:29] <joshjtl> wirechief: alsaconf isnt installed
[15:29] <nandemonai> BUGabundo: Any idea then if the old, replace sources.list then apt-get dist-upgrade still works then?
[15:29] <wirechief> joshjtl: i forgot, its no longer used. but you can use the alsamixer for setting things up
[15:29] <BUGabundo> nandemonai: it does. BUT don't do it!
[15:29] <BUGabundo> its a bad idea for upgrades
[15:29] <BUGabundo> UM does much more then that
[15:30] <nandemonai> Ah okies, I'd heard chatter about that.
[15:30] <joshjtl> wirechief: yeah i tried setting all capture devices to high level but kwave still isnt recording any sound
[15:30] <nandemonai> Maybe I'll just bite the bullet and do a clean install. I don't want UM to chew up my bandwidth (isp mirror is unmetered).
[15:31] <nandemonai> That's a job for tomorrow then. Night all.
[15:32] <wirechief> joshjtl: have you tried getting help for sound in #alsa ?
[15:32] <joshjtl> wirechief: no
[15:32] <wirechief> joshjtl: i can meet you over there, they have lots of tools for sound issues
[15:32] <joshjtl> k will try
[15:39] <kane77> anyone else has intel graphics card and having very low performace on jaunty?
[15:39] <Leon_Nardella> kane77: How are you measuring performance?
[15:39] <kane77> Leon_Nardella, well, glxgears and feel from xmoto.. :)
[15:40] <thiebaude> kane77: i have the 81815 card
[15:41] <Leon_Nardella> kane77: Well.. I have a 915GM and it's always been terrible on Ubuntu (Used to play a few games well on the lowest settings on Windows XP)
[15:41] <kane77> for me the glxgears gives me about 200FPS, and xmoto (or any other game) is unplayable
[15:41] <Leon_Nardella> kane77: And I'm sure people will tell you glxgears is anything but a reliable benchmark. :)
[15:42] <kane77> Leon_Nardella, yeah, but xmoto only gives 2FPS (and that is very simple 2d game)
[15:43] <Leon_Nardella> kane77: Hmm.. Yeah, you probably has some serious problem there.. 2D is generally pretty good and I average 800fps with glxgears on this laptop ( 400fps on the Acer netbook )
[15:43] <Leon_Nardella> kane77: Have you been messing around with xorg.conf?
[15:43] <kane77> nope, it is clean install
[15:44] <Leon_Nardella> kane77: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta#Known%20issues Take a look at it.
[15:45] <Laruft> Leon 800fps is that maximised window? what res?
[15:46] <Laruft> i'm getting 612fps 1900x1200 window maximised
[15:52] <scream> !wiimedia-stewards
[15:52] <scream> sorry
[15:52] <scream> ignore that
[16:06] <thechef> Is there a step by step howto to get KMS to work? I installed a 2.6.29-kernel with KMS support for the intel driver, but all I get now at startup is a black screen. Is it necessary to update more than just the kernel?
[16:07] <vishalrao> Hello, I would like to make changes to http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/plasma/applets/tasks/abstracttaskitem.cpp
[16:07] <vishalrao> Any links to how to go about it? What source packages to download and how to rebuild and reinstall oafter changing?
[16:07] <vishalrao> For kubuntu amd64
[16:07] <vishalrao> I have "sources" selected in KPackageKit repos list
[16:08] <doleyb> vishalrao: apt-get source kdebase
[16:09] <vishalrao> doleyb: okay, trying it now...
[16:13] <seven> hi guys, i'm using jaunty, Have 4 gigs or ram but only 3 are being reported, I don't have any memory issues at all, but I think it would be nice to get access to the other 1 gig right?
[16:14] <BUGabundo> seven: 32bits!
[16:14] <BUGabundo> to use the all 4GiBs you need either 64 bits or PAE support in the kernel, that AFAIK only comes on the server kernel
[16:14] <seven> sigh :( always thought linux could use 4 gig in 32 bit mode too
[16:14] <vishalrao> doleyb: ouch, im downloading kdebase-workspace first (50mb) will take 20 min on my net connection :)
[16:15] <doleyb> vishalrao: You might like to practice first with a smaller package, if you don't know how to recompile source debs yet.
[16:15] <seven> BUGabundo, looking at my current system monitor : 642MB used of 2.91GB
[16:15] <seven> I suppose i shouldn't bother then to upgrade to 64 pretty soon ?
[16:15] <vishalrao> good idea
[16:16] <BUGabundo> seven: you can't "upgrade" archs
[16:16] <vishalrao> doleyb: any example of a small package (kde)
[16:16] <vishalrao> ?
[16:16] <BUGabundo> you need to reinstall
[16:16] <seven> BUGabundo, yeah I know, but I was talking about starting clean again from 64 bit, since this install is only 2 days old
[16:25] <tpfennig> hi all
[16:25] <tpfennig> removing xorg.conf helped solving my xorg crash problems
[16:26] <BUGabundo> tpfennig: nice
[16:26] <joshjtl> hey folks, how can i find fastest kubuntu iso download mirror? torrent is being way slow
[16:27] <tpfennig> joshjtl: have you set up your router?
[16:27] <tpfennig> for torrents
[16:27] <joshjtl> tpfennig: yeah
[16:29] <BUGabundo> joshjtl: for what iso? daily?
[16:29] <BUGabundo> only main has dailis
[16:35] <joshjtl> BUGabundo: no going back to intrepid
[16:35] <BUGabundo> joshjtl: no
[16:35] <joshjtl> BUGabundo: no? :)
[16:36] <BUGabundo> or was that "no, going back...... " ?
[16:36] <BUGabundo> did you left out a comma ?
[16:36] <joshjtl> yes i left out the comma
[16:36] <BUGabundo> ok
[16:36] <BUGabundo> just find a mirror close to you
[16:36] <BUGabundo> where are you from?
[16:36] <joshjtl> I'm in DC
[16:38] <BUGabundo> http://mirrors.gigenet.com/ubuntu/intrepid/ubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso
[16:38] <joshjtl> thanks BUGabundo how did you find it?
[16:39] <BUGabundo> on ubuntu.com ?
[16:39] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[16:39] <joshjtl> no i mean how did you find out that it was close to me
[16:39] <BUGabundo> you can see if you have another one closer to you
[16:40] <BUGabundo> I didn't
[16:40] <BUGabundo> I just picked one in US
[16:40] <BUGabundo> from http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
[16:41] <joshjtl> ah
[16:43] <Unggnu> hi all
[16:43] <BUGabundo> hey Unggnu
[16:43] <Unggnu> Could anybody check if Vino works for him atm?
[16:43] <Unggnu> hi BUGabundo
[16:45] <BUGabundo> Unggnu: sure
[16:45] <BUGabundo> IP?
[16:46] <Unggnu> BUGabundo: no, local :)
[16:47] <Unggnu> I can't connect from my own pc and the lan
[16:47] <Unggnu> It seems that vino isn't running
[16:47] <dtchen> joshjtl: us.archive should work fine for you; what's wrong?
[16:47] <dtchen> joshjtl: i'm in DC, and it tends to work just fine
[16:47] <BUGabundo> Unggnu: $ sudo netstat -tuplan
[16:49] <Unggnu> BUGabundo: It should be 5900 afaik but it isn't there
[16:50] <BUGabundo> did you go to Vino and enabled it there?
[16:50] <BUGabundo> $ vino-preferences
[16:51] <Unggnu> it is enabled
[16:51] <Unggnu> sure
[16:51] <swearengen> I have three partitions -- windows, ubuntu1, and ubuntu2.  Both  Ubuntus were made by the installer at the time of the install. Ubuntu1 is intrepid upgraded to jaunty, broken.. ubuntu2 is a clean install of jaunty. How do I safely delete ubuntu1?
[16:51] <joshjtl> dtchen: just trying to find a faster iso download site
[16:53] <dtchen> joshjtl: choose any of the local universities
[16:53] <dtchen> vt, umd, jhu should all be fast
[16:53] <BUGabundo> swearengen: depends where your grub is
[16:54] <swearengen> grub is on the first one i suppose
[16:54] <joshjtl> thanks dtchen, btw do you use those local repos for everything? updates etc?
[16:54] <swearengen> i realize im too noob to go around upgrading to jaunty but the resolution is so much better on my laptop, lol
[16:54] <BUGabundo> swearengen: then you may need to install grub on ubuntu2 too
[16:55] <swearengen> BUGabundo: Thank you for your help. How can I tell if grub is on ubuntu2? (Or where is it?)
[16:56] <chris0111> good morning
[16:56] <swearengen> I realize I can google. =P There's just a lot of outdated forum posts and whatnot
[16:56] <Unggnu> Could someone please check if Vino doesn't work for him too?
[16:57] <BUGabundo> Unggnu: who is him?
[16:57] <BUGabundo> "mine" works
[16:57] <bjsnider> anybody here using the nvidia 180 driver?
[16:57] <BUGabundo> at least I can see it listening
[16:57] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: me
[16:58] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, do you feel like trying an updated mplayer/smplayer with it?
[16:58] <Unggnu> BUGabundo: him is the tester :)
[16:58] <BUGabundo> tcp6       0      0 :::XXXX                 :::*                    LISTEN      3701/vino-server
[16:58] <Unggnu> BUGabundo: 3701?
[16:58] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: I'm using medibuntu repo for that
[16:58] <BUGabundo> Unggnu: that's the PID... I removed the Port. its under XXXX
[17:00] <Unggnu> BUGabundo: I have no vino running
[17:00] <Unggnu> maybe I need a login. Do you know how to run it manually?
[17:00] <BUGabundo> no
[17:00] <dtchen> joshjtl: no, i use us.archive
[17:01] <BUGabundo> I use to mirrors
[17:01] <BUGabundo> main and a local one (darkstar)
[17:01] <|Dreams|> anyone else having problems with jauntys download speeds mine speed is quarter than what it should be onb both laptop and pc
[17:02] <dtchen> i have a local apt-cacher-ng, but that's mostly for testing (piuparts, generating isos)
[17:03] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, mine is built to use vdpau for nvidia cards that support it. the medibuntu package isn't
[17:03] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: what is that (vdpau) ?
[17:04] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, hardware accelerated playback of mpeg2/wmv3/vc1/h.264
[17:04] <BUGabundo> nice
[17:04] <BUGabundo> send it my way
[17:04] <BUGabundo> PPA?
[17:04] <bjsnider> you probably don't play movies much on that rig, so i wouldn't worry about it
[17:04] <BluesKaj> |Dreams|, you might want to change your default server in adept to "main" , your UK server may be the bottleneck
[17:05] <BUGabundo> I do play a lot h.264
[17:05] <BUGabundo> from naruto
[17:05] <|Dreams|> its not just that its my usenet download speeds i am more bothered about lol
[17:05] <|Dreams|> inormally max out all the time but since i switched to jaunty i dont get anywhere near that
[17:05] <|Dreams|> doing my head in
[17:05] <swearengen> |Dreams|:  It is beta
[17:06] <swearengen> the website probably didnt do these devs any service by encouraging us all to upgrade lol
[17:06] <|Dreams|> yeah but i cant see it changing as none else is having these problems
[17:06] <swearengen> usenet download speeds?
[17:07] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, https://launchpad.net/~brandonsnider/+archive/ppa
[17:07] <|Dreams|> yeah
[17:07] <|Dreams|> and torrents
[17:08]  * BUGabundo ppa is slow...
[17:08] <|Dreams|> i just seem to be getting 40% of my normal speed i do with windows and intrepid thats all
[17:08] <|Dreams|> not to worry i willmake do for now maybe someone else with have these problems when the official version is released and not beta
[17:10] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: can I trust you with my system?
[17:10] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, no
[17:11] <BUGabundo> ahhh I though so
[17:11] <BUGabundo> eheh
[17:12] <|Dreams|> do i have to do something in particualr to enable vdpau?
[17:12] <|Dreams|> or is it already enabled
[17:13] <boby> help?
[17:13] <bjsnider> |Dreams|, are you using the nvidia-180 driver?
[17:13] <BUGabundo> boby: what's up?
[17:13] <BUGabundo>  !help
[17:13] <|Dreams|> yeah
[17:13] <BUGabundo>  !question
[17:13] <|Dreams|> the ubuntu one
[17:13] <bjsnider> |Dreams|, it's available
[17:14] <boby> 3-rd time: I have HP 6735b laptop and kubuntu 8.10 upgraded to 9.04 and problem is skype. Mic doesn't work but it works in audacity
[17:14] <|Dreams|> i installed the nvidia .run file on my last system that worked pretty well
[17:14] <bjsnider> |Dreams|, you do have to alter some things in mplayer and smplayer to make it use vdpau instead of xv
[17:15] <|Dreams|> altho couldnt get the resolution i wanted it was giving me 1600 all the time and i have had any experience editing the xorg files so i just reinstalled and used ubuntus 180
[17:15] <|Dreams|> oh right
[17:15] <|Dreams|> just in the options?
[17:15] <bjsnider> make it use vdpau instead of xv, blank out the screenshot directory
[17:15] <boby> ?
[17:15] <|Dreams|> ok
[17:16] <YixilTesiphon> I'm having problems with a wireless card that supposedly works on previous versions
[17:16] <YixilTesiphon> with some work
[17:16] <archman> hello
[17:16] <bjsnider> in advanced>options for mplayer add -vc ffmpeg12vdpau,ffh264vdpau,ffwmv3vdpau,ffvc1vdpau,
[17:16] <YixilTesiphon> an Atheros 242x
[17:16] <YixilTesiphon> but I can't use previous versions as they hate my graphics card
[17:16] <YixilTesiphon> any suggestions?
[17:16] <archman> Will 9.04 Final come with xfce 4.6 available in reps?
[17:17] <bjsnider> YixilTesiphon, installed the linux-backports-modules package
[17:17] <YixilTesiphon> bjsnider: sudo apt-get install linux-backports-modules?
[17:17] <bjsnider> Yili don't know the exact name of the package
[17:17] <TABASCO> Unfortunately Auslegung is gone now and I was away, so I give my question again:
[17:18] <TABASCO> I tried to test the Jaunty Beta Netbook Remix. I followed the instructions as given in the wiki. I tried it with ImageWriter and I tried it with dd. I tried two different USB sticks. And I tried two different computers. But all I get is "Boot Error"
[17:18] <mgedmin> hmm... so that python issue that breaks upgrades from intrepid is still not fixed?
[17:18] <mgedmin> or is the /topic out of date?
[17:18] <BUGabundo> mgedmin: it is
[17:19] <BUGabundo> out dated
[17:19] <YixilTesiphon> bjsnider: do I need to be connected to the internet to get that package?
[17:19] <boby> hello anyone?
[17:19] <YixilTesiphon> I don't have any hard connection available here, irc-ing from a windows machine
[17:19] <bjsnider> YixilTesiphon, yes
[17:19] <BUGabundo> boby: hi
[17:19] <YixilTesiphon> ah
[17:19] <boby> can you halp
[17:19] <|Dreams|> think i am going to install the latest mplayer
[17:19] <YixilTesiphon> thanks
[17:19] <boby> help*
[17:19] <|Dreams|> this isnt even giving me the option of advanced options
[17:20] <BUGabundo> boby: stop asking for help, and let us know what YOU need
[17:20] <hil> boby: at the mom noone is able to answer your question it seems. try again a bit later again
[17:21] <boby> I asked already
[17:21] <boby> about my mic
[17:21] <|Dreams|> can you tell me what options to choose in vlc? if you know please
[17:21] <TABASCO> So in short: I can not boot Jaunty Netbook Remix from USB stick
[17:21] <BUGabundo> boby: the audio prob? lets see if dtchen can help
[17:21] <boby> this is 3-rt time on this chat a have asked that
[17:21] <BUGabundo> dtchen: ping
[17:22] <BUGabundo> dtchen: RT boby:  I have HP 6735b laptop and kubuntu 8.10 upgraded to 9.04 and problem is skype. Mic doesn't work but it works in audacity
[17:23] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: do I need to upgrade memcoder too?
[17:23] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, no
[17:23] <BUGabundo> ok
[17:25] <boby> see you later
[17:27] <joshjtl> anyone know where kubuntu 8.10 cd md5sums are?
[17:28] <BluesKaj> joshjtl , should be on the download site
[17:28] <chris0101> http://whyamistilltyping.wordpress.com/2008/11/01/ubuntu-810-intrepid-ibex-md5-checksums/
[17:29] <joshjtl> BluesKaj: yeah cant find them
[17:29] <joshjtl> thanks chris0101
[17:29] <chris0101> no prob. thx google ;)
[17:29] <Lenin_Cat> is 3d supported on R600 ATI cards yet?
[17:31] <Lenin_Cat> isi t?
[17:31] <TABASCO> Okay, I checked the md5 sum and it is different - I try to download it again
[17:32] <Happyness> I have a question, why does KpackageKit block some updates and some not in jaunty develope release 9.04? I was told in kubuntu channel to ask here.
[17:33] <BUGabundo> Lenin_Cat: not sure!
[17:33] <Happyness> *Jackalope
[17:33] <urthmover> How do I upgrade to Jaunty entirely from the command line?
[17:33] <BUGabundo> it is using the -ati driver?
[17:33] <BUGabundo> TABASCO: where did  you get it?
[17:33] <BUGabundo> releases.u.c?
[17:33] <urthmover> sudo upgrade-manager -d  (obviously spawns the GUI upgrade)  How do I do it via SSH?
[17:33] <TABASCO> BUGabundo: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/beta/
[17:33] <BUGabundo> urthmover: update-release-upgrade -d
[17:34] <urthmover> perfectum  thanks BUGabundo
[17:34] <BUGabundo> TABASCO: did you get jauty or ibex?
[17:34]  * urthmover scampers off to try it
[17:34] <Happyness> anyone?
[17:34] <BUGabundo> TABASCO: and was it kubuntu or ubutu?
[17:34] <TABASCO> BUGabundo: Jaunty
[17:34] <TABASCO> BUGabundo: Netbook Remix Interface
[17:34] <BUGabundo> ah ok
[17:34] <BUGabundo> better use rsync TABASCO
[17:34] <BUGabundo> it will complete just what you are missing
[17:35] <TABASCO> BUGabundo: Oh, I never used it
[17:35] <Lenin_Cat> well according to the 9.04 tech page
[17:35] <Lenin_Cat> The -ati driver has received numerous fixes and performance improvements. It now uses the EXA acceleration method by default. 2D acceleration support for the newest R6xx/R7xx family of cards is also available. 3D support is available up to R5xx cards for -ati. An updated -fglrx proprietary driver is available for R6xx/R7xx users who need 3D support.
[17:35] <TABASCO> BUGabundo: How can I do that with an image from the net?
[17:35] <Lenin_Cat> dose that mean fglrx supports it?
[17:35] <Happyness> why does KpackageKit block some updates and some not in jaunty Jackalope release 9.04?
[17:36] <urthmover> hmm update-release-upgrade: command not found
[17:36] <crdlb> Lenin_Cat: it does
[17:36] <urthmover> thought BUGabundo  ?
[17:36] <Lenin_Cat> ok
[17:36] <urthmover> thoughts
[17:36] <Happyness> thanks for nothing
[17:36] <Lenin_Cat> crdlb, so its safe for me to upgrade
[17:36] <TABASCO> BUGabundo: The strange thing is that if I put it on the stick with ImageWriter or dd I have working files on the stick. So the image does not seem to be broken
[17:36] <deany> nice to see dust is available in jaunty on installation :)
[17:36] <PhilippeP> urthmover:  try update-manager -d
[17:36] <TABASCO> And the image file I have is larger than it is described on the page I gave you.. that is really strange..
[17:36] <BUGabundo> TABASCO: rsync -zhhP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/NETBOCK.iso /PATH/TO/ISO
[17:37] <thiebaude> deany: i love dust:sand
[17:37] <urthmover> ok but I think that spawns the gui update PhilippeP
[17:37] <deany> cant wait to install jaunty, gonna wait till final tho..
[17:37] <crdlb> Lenin_Cat: note that the released version of fglrx won't work, only the beta version in the repos
[17:37] <PhilippeP> urthmover: right
[17:37] <Lenin_Cat> but its in the repos crdlb?
[17:37] <urthmover> PhilippeP: I would like to do this over SSH
[17:37] <deany> lovin the indicator app too.. nice idea
[17:37] <BUGabundo> PhilippeP: urthmover wants to do from cli
[17:38] <PhilippeP> urthmover: ok I did miss that part :)
[17:38] <BUGabundo> urthmover: did you use -d ?
[17:38] <urthmover> right BUGabundo   :-)   so  the first command is not found  I'm sure I got the syntax incorrect  but I'm not finding much about it in google.
[17:38] <crdlb> Lenin_Cat: yes, as xorg-driver-fglrx
[17:38] <BUGabundo> urthmover: over ssh? do you have access to the remote machine? just in case it hangs?
[17:38] <Lenin_Cat> ok
[17:38] <urthmover> sudo: update-release-upgrade: command not found
[17:38] <BUGabundo> $ do-release-upgrade -d
[17:38] <urthmover> yeah I do have access to the remote machine BUGabundo
[17:38] <BUGabundo> did I spell it wrong the 1st time?
[17:38] <thiebaude> update-manager -d
[17:39] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: NO... cli version
[17:39] <thiebaude> type that in a terminal
[17:39] <Lenin_Cat> crdlb, so how do I upgrade to 9.04
[17:39] <BUGabundo> TABASCO: did it work??
[17:39] <swearengen> just wait until it comes out
[17:39] <swearengen> lol
[17:39] <urthmover> ah success  thanks BUGabundo
[17:40] <deany> ive installed the beta in a vbox with ext4 as the fs.  is it using extents by default?
[17:40] <BUGabundo> nice
[17:40] <urthmover> its running now  YAY!!!
[17:40] <urthmover> :-)
[17:40] <TABASCO> BUGabundo: No, not really
[17:40] <TABASCO> I tried it in differen versions
[17:40] <BUGabundo> urthmover: did you read the release notes? did you made a backup?
[17:40] <TABASCO> Wait, I send a paste link
[17:40] <BUGabundo> TABASCO: what didn't work? my tip?
[17:40] <urthmover> no worries  its ok if I wipe this machine anyways  :-)
[17:40] <crdlb> Lenin_Cat: see what thiebaude said :)
[17:41] <Lenin_Cat> nvm I figured it out
[17:41] <Lenin_Cat> thanks
[17:41] <BUGabundo> any one having trouble re-codind x264 to x263 on avidemux? bjsnider any idea?
[17:41] <calc> deany: most likely, you can see what options it was made with tune2fs
[17:41] <urthmover> maaan  I LOVE my dark desktop in ubuntu  and gnome with some gnome-do  and docky   switching back and forth from my mac has never been so great
[17:41] <TABASCO> BUGabundo: http://pastebin.com/d69f35845
[17:41] <BUGabundo> my final video gets too speeded up
[17:41] <TABASCO> BUGabundo: rsync does not do what it should
[17:42] <BUGabundo> don't use beta
[17:42] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, no. i wouldn't recode it though.
[17:42] <urthmover> I'm close to dumping OSX altogether and just put ubuntu on that macbook
[17:42] <BUGabundo> get a daily
[17:42] <calc> deany: tune2fs -l /dev/sdX# for whatever partition you want to look at
[17:42] <deany> isnt it an fstab option ?
[17:42] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: it worked fine up until 3 weeks
[17:42] <deany> with noatime
[17:42] <deany> etc.
[17:42] <BUGabundo> TABASCO: Wrong URL
[17:42] <BUGabundo> that's why it fails
[17:43] <BUGabundo> TABASCO: you forgot /cdimage/ for rsync to work
[17:43] <calc> deany: extents isn't afaik
[17:43] <BUGabundo> that's just the HTTP Url
[17:43] <calc> deany: for example my ext4 shows this:
[17:43] <TABASCO> Ah...
[17:43] <calc> Filesystem features:      has_journal ext_attr resize_inode dir_index filetype needs_recovery extent flex_bg sparse_super large_file huge_file uninit_bg dir_nlink extra_isize
[17:43] <urthmover> compiz and the new 180.44 nvidia driver  .....  greatness
[17:43] <TABASCO> BUGabundo: Well, the URL for the Image is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/beta/ubuntu-9.04-beta-netbook-remix-i386.img
[17:44]  * calc gone back to work
[17:44] <BUGabundo> TABASCO: use the daily!! and you need /cdimage/ in there to work
[17:44] <deany> cool ok
[17:44] <TABASCO> So I have to use rsync -zhhP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/beta/ubuntu-9.04-beta-netbook-remix-i386.img
[17:44] <BUGabundo> let me get the correct url for you TABASCO
[17:45] <TABASCO> BUGabundo: That would be great. I found this link in the article where they reported about needed testers for netbooks.
[17:45] <BUGabundo> urthmover: you may need to enable the Fix Workarounds to not have QT and OpenOffice artifacts
[17:45] <urthmover> ok BUGabundo have any docs on doing that?
[17:45] <BUGabundo> TABASCO: //cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/ubuntu-netbook-remix/daily-live/current/jaunty-netbook-remix-i386.img
[17:46] <BUGabundo> urthmover: its in the bug
[17:46] <gaelfx> how's beta going for everyone?
[17:46] <BUGabundo> bug 269904 urthmover
[17:46] <thiebaude> gaelfx: pretty good
[17:46] <TABASCO> BUGabundo: But I downloaded the beta, so I assume I have to load the full image again, right?
[17:46] <BUGabundo> no
[17:47] <BUGabundo> you can rsync it to daily
[17:47] <BUGabundo> that's what I do to all my images
[17:47] <BUGabundo> cd, dvds, etc
[17:47] <TABASCO> Cool
[17:47] <thiebaude> i can only use 2.6.24-24-generic kernel
[17:48] <urthmover> BUGabundo: I'm a little new here which URL is "the bug" stuff you are referring to and I'll just search for Fix Workarounds there to clean out the qt and openoffice stuff
[17:48] <TABASCO> BUGabundo: THAT is REALLY cool...
[17:49] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: http://paste.ubuntu.com/145017/
[17:49] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: once I enabled it, gmplayer failed with that
[17:49] <BUGabundo> 64bits system
[17:49] <BUGabundo> with preaviuos medibuntu installed
[17:50] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, once you enabled what?
[17:50] <BUGabundo> urthmover: on ccsm -> Utilities -> Fix something
[17:50] <BUGabundo> its one of the last comments of the bug
[17:50] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: once I selected pavud
[17:51] <BUGabundo> bbl... lanche! back in 10
[17:53] <gaelfx> I'm having a rather strange problem with my internet connection on 9.04, I can't connect to Skype and I constantly get connection interrupted errors when trying to view any webpages that are not on my local network. I'm using a wireless connection, but I tested with a wired connection as well and had the same problems. Loading pages like uTorrent WebUI and the VLC Web interface work perfectly fine, so I don't think there is an issue with the drivers fo
[17:54] <tgpraveen> hi pl was just checking otu the screenshots and screencasts of gnome shell. i didnt like it
[17:55] <tgpraveen> it seems to be a step backward. apllications are not grouped by category anymore. and
[17:55] <tgpraveen> as someone who doesnt use workspaces too much right now. i think the shell basically is a big annoyance
[17:55] <tgpraveen> what do u ppl think?
[17:57] <gaelfx> tgpraveen: are you talking about bash? I didn't notice terminal looking any different than always...
[17:58] <DreadKnight> foxbuntu: around?
[17:58] <tgpraveen> gaelfx: no. the new gnome-shell which they are planning for gnome 3
[17:59] <DreadKnight> new stuff in the works for gnome seems so much awesome than kde4 to me..
[17:59] <gaelfx> tgpraveen: does Jaunty use that?
[17:59] <tgpraveen> http://digg.com/linux_unix/GNOME_3_0_To_Get_GNOME_Shell_Zeitgeist
[17:59] <tgpraveen> gaelfx: no.
[17:59] <tgpraveen> but i wnated to discuss in this grp as i hang out here.
[17:59] <tgpraveen> and anyways #ubuntu is wrong for it.
[18:00] <tgpraveen> karmic+1 will use this mostly]
[18:02] <BUGabundo> back
[18:03] <thiebaude> hi
[18:05] <gaelfx> which version of VLC is currently in the repos?
[18:05] <tgpraveen> .9.9 i think
[18:06] <BUGabundo> 0.9.8a-1ubuntu4
[18:08] <xbisont> hi, after selecting Jaunty at the grub list, it gave me an Error 15: File not found, does any one now how to fix this?
[18:09]  * mgedmin is bravely trying to upgrade to jaunty while watching a screencast and reading a blog post at the same time
[18:09] <xbisont> BTW is a fresh install of Jauty
[18:09] <grodius> Hello there friends. I am running juanty on a macbook. it has an intel integrated graphics card and I cant get compiz working, but I've had it working before on Jaunty(im on a new install). I think i just need to change something in my xorg(thats what i did before), but I'm not sure what.
[18:10] <BUGabundo> grodius: what intel model is it?
[18:11] <BUGabundo> some adding DRI FALSE option works
[18:11] <BUGabundo> others it doesn't
[18:11] <thiebaude> grodius: which intel model
[18:11] <BUGabundo> xbisont: did you use unetbooy to install it?
[18:12] <grodius>  Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[18:12] <thiebaude> ok
[18:12] <BUGabundo> grodius: check LP for that card
[18:12] <BUGabundo> is should have more instrutions
[18:13] <grodius> LP?
[18:13] <grodius> sorry, i'm a noob
[18:14] <BUGabundo>  !launchpad
[18:14] <BUGabundo>  !bugs
[18:14] <xbisont> BUGabundo: I don't know, just booted with Jaunty Desktop CD and selected install
[18:14] <BUGabundo> xbisont: ok
[18:14] <BUGabundo> then it wasnt
[18:18] <xbisont> BUGabundo: should I use unetboot?
[18:19] <TABASCO> BUGabundo: It seems as if rsync loads the whole image new
[18:19] <TABASCO> BUGabundo: there are 12h download time left
[18:21] <BUGabundo> xbisont: no
[18:21] <BUGabundo> TABASCO: maybe you really add the wrong image?
[18:21] <BUGabundo> or it's the file name.... oh that's it
[18:21] <BUGabundo> its another file, and some how its failing to reuse it
[18:22] <TABASCO> Well, the name is different of course
[18:22] <TABASCO> jaunty-netbook-remix-i386.img is the new image and ubuntu-9.04-beta-netbook-remix-i386.img is the existing one
[18:22] <Lenin_Cat> how do I compile my kernel to be custom for my computer
[18:28] <TABASCO> BUGabundo: So what do I do?
[18:30] <BUGabundo> just let it finish now
[18:31] <BUGabundo> not much you can do
[18:31] <TABASCO> Okay :)
[18:31] <BUGabundo> other then stop and wget the daily
[18:31] <TABASCO> It's a little slow now
[18:31] <TABASCO> Okay
[18:31] <TABASCO> That's what I thought about before..
[18:33] <bluefoxicy> is anyone else having issues with ubuntu hanging sometimes?
[18:34] <cwillu> bluefoxicy, ext4?
[18:34] <bluefoxicy> like, windows stop updating, stuff stops  running
[18:34] <bluefoxicy> cwillu:  it was worse with ext3, so I switched to ext4
[18:34] <bluefoxicy> actually the system was cranking the disk CONSTANTLY and nothing was working with ext3 o.o
[18:34] <cwillu> you mean temporary hangs or actually locking up?
[18:34] <bluefoxicy> temporary hangs
[18:34] <bluefoxicy> like every window freezes, then 5 minutes later comes back
[18:35] <bluefoxicy> down to maybe you switch desktops and the thing freezes for 2-3 seconds
[18:35] <bluefoxicy> but, disk activity stops too
[18:35] <bluefoxicy> It's weird
[18:35] <bluefoxicy> because if I push numlock, the system wakes the fuck up and starts working again.
[18:35] <BUGabundo> bluefoxicy: memory leak from one app?
[18:35] <bluefoxicy> I have yet to figure out why
[18:36] <bluefoxicy> BUGabundo:  no, not a memory leak from any app
[18:36] <bluefoxicy> everything goes into D state,waiting on kernel
[18:40] <xbisont> well, let's see if when it finished downloading & installing updates, the "Error 15" is gone. I'll tell you later if it worked or not.
[18:45] <willmore> Okay, third try.  Hello, all.
[18:45] <jemark> hello
[18:45] <willmore> I've got a system that I just upgraded from 8.10 to 9.04.  On the first reboot, it halts with "Bug: Int 14"
[18:45] <willmore> And then a register dump.
[18:45] <willmore> Is this a known issue?
[18:45] <thompa> I can't burn audio disks in both k3b and brasero. Could this be cause music files on other partition?
[18:45] <willmore> Or did I just get *lucky*.
[18:46] <thompa> that would tell me permissions or fstab
[18:46] <willmore> I guess there's a lot of issues with jaunty, the.  Maybe I should just rollback to 8.10.
[18:47] <thompa> willmore: did upgrade?
[18:48] <acicula> willmore: willmore https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/312554 ?
[18:48] <willmore> thompa, yes, I had an 8.10 system and I did an upgrade to 9.04.
[18:48] <willmore> That may be it.  Let me go check.
[18:48] <thompa> my sony vaio works great on new install
[18:49] <thompa> but intel graphics are broke for i945
[18:49] <thompa> i have switch for nvidia but fan is a little too high for some reason
[18:49] <willmore> Yeah, that looks lime me.
[18:49] <thompa> on AMD box i did upgrade and have some permisson and mounting issues
[18:50] <thompa> willmore: try new creating a new user
[18:50] <thompa> helped here anyway
[18:50] <willmore> thompa, you're responding to the wrong person. :)  I can't even get the kernel to start. :)
[18:51] <thompa> willmore: sorry, so whats the error
[18:51] <willmore> acicula hit it on the head.
[18:51] <willmore> It's a halt on first boot of the new kernel.
[18:51] <acicula> willmore: actually google did, but ok ;)
[18:51] <willmore> Bug: int 14 cr2 bla bla.
[18:52] <willmore> acicula, funny that searching *at launchpad* didn't find it.
[18:52] <willmore> :(
[18:53] <willmore> Hmm, odd, in that bug report, they show that a fix was committed over a month ago.
[18:54] <thompa> well anyway can anyone burn audio disks from mp3s?
[18:56] <willmore> acicula, Well, the suggested workaround in the bug report works for me.  I would have sweared I tried that last night, but it was late, so maybe I didn't....
[18:56] <willmore> Thanks!
[18:57] <acicula> willmore: your welcome
[19:02] <DarthFrog> cwillu: I can't email you those kernel packages I compiled.  GMail barfs if the attachment is over 3 MB and the kernel deb is 6 MB.
[19:03] <BUGabundo> DarthFrog: LOL... time to use DCC or dropbox?
[19:04] <DarthFrog> Dropbox?
[19:04] <coz_> hey guys.. just noticed that with screensaver disabled and power settings set to none the monitor still sleeps after about 15 minutes .. any workaround?
[19:04] <BUGabundo> DarthFrog: AFAIK gmail limit is 20MiBs
[19:04] <coz_> dropbox really isnt avaiable for jaunty yet
[19:04] <DarthFrog> BUGabundo: Then perhaps the limitation is on his end.
[19:04] <coz_> all the work arounds for dropbox dont work well for everyone
[19:04] <DarthFrog> !help dropbox
[19:05] <DarthFrog> !dropbox
[19:05] <cwillu> DarthFrog, heh, np
[19:05] <BUGabundo> DarthFrog: see PVT
[19:05] <BUGabundo> its Offtopic
[19:05] <DarthFrog> cwillu: Do you still want them?  I could set up ftp.
[19:06] <cwillu> not a huge deal
[19:06] <DarthFrog> OK
[19:15] <iAreBaboon> hi, is Jacky Jackalope an LTS ?
[19:15] <BUGabundo> iAreBaboon: no
[19:15] <crdlb> no, and neither is Jaunty :)
[19:15] <BUGabundo> the next one will be 10.10
[19:15] <crdlb> ? I thought it was 10.04
[19:15] <iAreBaboon> I thought each 4 years a x.04 version comes out that's LTS ?
[19:15] <BUGabundo> crdlb: is it?
[19:16] <iAreBaboon> !9.04
[19:16] <iAreBaboon> !10.04
[19:16] <BUGabundo> iAreBaboon: last one was Hardy 8.04
[19:16] <iAreBaboon> BUGabundo: yes I'm using that, what's the next
[19:16] <iAreBaboon> oh
[19:16] <kady> iAreBaboon: Each 2 years
[19:16] <crdlb> BUGabundo: they've definitely said that, but it may have been changed ...
[19:16] <iAreBaboon> thanks all
[19:16] <kady> It's only been one year since hardy
[19:17] <kady> So Lucious Lemmas will be LTS
[19:17] <iAreBaboon> one more question please, can 8.04 be upgraded to 9.04 ?
[19:17] <iAreBaboon> or are they too far off
[19:17] <crdlb> not without going through 8.10
[19:17] <iAreBaboon> I mean once 9.04 is released
[19:17] <kady> iAreBaboon: yes but you must make a stop at Ibex Farms first
[19:17] <iAreBaboon> kady: where's that
[19:17] <kady> iAreBaboon: 8.1
[19:18] <kady> 8.10
[19:18] <iAreBaboon> !Ibex
[19:18] <iAreBaboon> are you kidding me ?  8.10 is called Ibex Farms ?   what happened to the animal names
[19:18] <coz_> iAreBaboon, next April is the LTS release
[19:18] <iAreBaboon> lol
[19:18] <Ienorand> iAreBaboon: I e you must first go to ibex, then to jaunty
[19:18] <coz_> iAreBaboon,  no its calle intrepid Ibex
[19:19] <iAreBaboon> ah
[19:19] <coz_> iAreBaboon,  you can look at Shuttleworth's blog about releases here  http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/146
[19:20] <mgedmin> LP is short for launchpad.net, the website where Ubuntu bug reports are collected (among other things)
[19:20]  * mgedmin blinks
[19:20] <mgedmin> oops, was looking into the middle of the scrollback buffer
[19:21] <mgedmin> and got the impression nobody was answering the question
[19:21] <iAreBaboon> coz_: thanks I'm looking at it now, it's not that detailed though, any idea when Janty will be released ?  ie the Beta is finished
[19:21] <xbisont> mmm I guess when at boot time it says Error 15: File not found, it really means there's no file, even dist-upgrade couldn't install updates in the chrooted partition
[19:22] <coz_> iAreBaboon,  if you scroll down you will see the release cycle planned
[19:22] <coz_> iAreBaboon,  the releases are number , for example  8.10 meaning 200(8) in October
[19:22] <coz_> iAreBaboon,  9.04 = 200(9) in April
[19:23] <iAreBaboon> coz_: oh I didn't know that.  nice :)
[19:23] <xbisont> I'll better wait and see if when it is released, it works in my PC ...usually I must wait 2 months after each release to get it work in my PC
[19:24] <kady> iAreBaboon: pretty much always released on the third Thursday
[19:28] <Tumie> i can't get some updates,, he can't find the packages..
[19:29] <Tumie> it is the first time i updated, since i installed jaunty 2 days ago..
[19:30] <BUGabundo1> Tumie: bug 332945
[19:30] <andresmh> since switching to jaunty my Gnome-Do is coming behind the current open windows and a lot of times it doesn't even catch the key shortcut. Any ideas why?
[19:31] <Tumie> BUGabundo1: ty
[19:48] <picklesworth> anyone else bumping into issues with the gnome keyring lately?
[19:48] <picklesworth> (hm, gnome-keyring-daemon isn't even running!)
[19:49] <BUGabundo1> picklesworth: yep
[19:50] <picklesworth> good, good :)
[20:10] <marshall> I installed ndisgtk and uninstalled it, now ubuntu doesnt load my wireless drivers. I have to reenable Atheros drivers in the restricted driver manager every time i boot, and even then it doesnt recognicze any wireless networks
[20:12]  * mgedmin just got a new-style irc notification bubble from xchat
[20:13] <mgedmin> slickest upgrade yet
[20:13]  * mgedmin wonders if he now jinxed it, with 2 minutes of estimated work still remaining
[20:25] <Frijolie> I cannot run mmex, it won't launch
[20:25] <Frijolie> i've checked all dependencies and they're all met
[20:25] <coz_> Frijolie,  when you run this from a terminal . what is the readout?
[20:25] <Frijolie> it was working on Intrepid but since the upgrade it won't launch
[20:25] <Frijolie> coz_, hang on, I'll post it
[20:26] <Frijolie> coz_, http://pastebin.com/m76bd228b
[20:26] <coz_> mmm
[20:27] <Frijolie> wait, I just thought of something else to try
[20:27] <coz_> Frijolie,  let me install this  hold on
[20:27] <Frijolie> I haven't tried loading it without compiz running
[20:28] <Frijolie> same result, :(
[20:28] <coz_> Frijolie,  did you use the deb package
[20:28] <coz_> to install this?
[20:29] <Frijolie> yes, the more up-to-date version v4.0.2
[20:29] <melik> coz_, can someone do sudo vi /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume
[20:29] <melik> and tell me what they see
[20:30] <coz_> Frijolie,  you mean 0.9.4.2
[20:30] <khunt> my other ubuntu install is booting into maintenance shell and asking for root password but it is not accepting my root password
[20:32] <Frijolie> coz_, yea, sorry
[20:32] <Frijolie> coz_, I was doing it from memory
[20:32] <coz_> ok
[20:32] <j5098> i just upgraded to jaunty and now all my desktop effects are really slow
[20:32] <BUGabundo1> melik: I see my swap UUID
[20:33] <deany> j5098, fglrx driver is broken or something i believe
[20:33] <Frijolie> coz_, is it working for you?
[20:33] <deany> j5098, or doesnt get upgraded.. read the ubuntu site
[20:33] <deany> tells you known issues
[20:33] <coz_> Frijolie,  I installed it and it is working yes  even with compiz running
[20:33] <melik> BUGabundo1,
[20:33] <melik> i have the same
[20:34] <melik> but when i used to boot up
[20:34] <melik> i got some weird kinit error
[20:34] <khunt> does anyone know why maintenance shell wont accept my root password
[20:34] <j5098> deany: just search for fglrx?
[20:34] <Frijolie> coz_, ok, so then it's something I've done or am missing
[20:34] <melik> so i added a # in front of it
[20:34] <melik> and i dont get it anymore
[20:34] <melik> do you get a kinit error at bootup
[20:34] <coz_> Frijolie,  looking for a conf file hold on
[20:35] <coz_> Frijolie,  i am not finding a conf file ,. maybe if you reinstall from the deb
[20:36] <Frijolie> coz_, well when i originally installed it from deb it complained about not having that wxwidgets and then said that I had broken dependencies
[20:36] <Frijolie> I purged everything
[20:36] <Frijolie> installed wxwidgets and reinstalled via .deb
[20:36] <Frijolie> hmm, I guess I'll try again
[20:36] <coz_> ok
[20:37] <funkyHat> Anyone else with more than one soundcard noticed that gnome sound settings forgets which device you want the volume buttons to control?
[20:37] <BUGabundo1> khunt: by default root on recovery has no password
[20:38] <Frijolie> whoa! that worked..it's running but it's in another language!
[20:38] <khunt> if i press enter it just asks again
[20:38] <deany> j5098,  http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta#Known%20issues
[20:38] <Frijolie> how do you check your default locale in Jaunty?
[20:38] <BUGabundo1> dtchen & maco: is there any way I can redirect one app sound to speakers and all other to ear phones?
[20:38] <maco> BUGabundo1: pavucontrol
[20:39] <Ienorand> the manual page for "echo" speaks of --help as a valid argument, but when i try it it just echoes it... is there something I'm missing here or is this manaul wrong?
[20:39] <BUGabundo1> maco I have it. but I think my speakers get turned off once I plug ear phones
[20:39] <maco> BUGabundo1: the little down arrow to the right of the stream lets you choose which output it comesout of
[20:39] <deany> j5098, dont know of thats anything to do with your problem..
[20:39] <BUGabundo1> maco let me try
[20:39] <maco> oh hrm...might only work for usb headphones...
[20:40] <BUGabundo1> maco: nop! still comes to headphones
[20:40] <BUGabundo1> ahh usb is another sound card!
[20:40] <BUGabundo1> I guess that would work for any one with 2 cards! but I just have one! the laptop one! hearphones replace speakers!
[20:41] <BUGabundo1> thanks maco
[20:41] <Frijolie> are there any reports of ext4 not working in Jaunty? I had a kernel panic when using it and as soon as I reverted back to ext3 it was fine
[20:42] <maco> BUGabundo1: right, usb headphones count as a separate device...
[20:42] <BUGabundo1> Frijolie: talk to cwillu! he is our resident expert on that eheh
[20:42] <j5098> deany: cool, thanks i found another site with same info. i'll give it a try
[20:42] <Frijolie> BUGabundo1, he's had similar problems?
[20:43] <maco> dtchen *may* know a way to trick it into treating the headphones and speakers separately on one card, but i dont think 2 streams treated separately is usually something the hardware can do
[20:43] <BUGabundo1> no... he is debuging those prob
[20:43] <deany> Frijolie, worked in my vbox
[20:43] <BUGabundo1> thanks maco. if you talk to them, and remember to ask, I appreciate
[20:44] <mgedmin> weirdness: after first boot my first login failed -- I was kicked out back to gdm
[20:44] <cwillu> Frijolie, don't know of anything that should cause a kernel panic.  Did you just switch to ext4 and it immediately broke?
[20:44] <mgedmin> second login worked fine
[20:44] <Halow> BUGabundo1: What're you trying to do with the USB headphones, exactly?
[20:44] <Frijolie> it worked after the first reboot (after installation), however soon as I updated the kernel and rebooted again "ALERT ALERT"
[20:44] <cwillu> Frijolie, which kernel version?
[20:45] <BUGabundo1> Halow: not usb
[20:45] <Frijolie> I didn't pay much attention
[20:45] <Frijolie> the latest
[20:45] <BUGabundo1> Halow: just regular jack hear phones
[20:45] <cwillu> Frijolie, latest as of when?
[20:45] <BUGabundo1> Frijolie: $ uname -a
[20:45] <BUGabundo1> cwillu: ehehe
[20:45] <cwillu> BUGabundo1, not enough info from uname :p
[20:45] <maco> BUGabundo1: its not supported in pulseaudio
[20:45] <BUGabundo1> oh
[20:45] <BUGabundo1> maco: thanks!
[20:45] <Halow> BUGabundo1: Oh... gotcha. :)
[20:45] <Frijolie> ive got kernel 2.6.28-11
[20:45] <Frijolie> latest as of about 6 hours ago
[20:45] <dtchen> BUGabundo1: clarification: it's not *currently* supported in PA
[20:46] <maco> BUGabundo1: i think he's typing a longer explanation. he wasnt looking at his irc screen
[20:46] <BUGabundo1> Frijolie: for your mirror!
[20:46] <cwillu> Frijolie, dpkg-query -s linux-image
[20:46] <dtchen> BUGabundo1: you can do it using raw ALSA-lib conffiles
[20:46] <BUGabundo1> dtchen: so it was in the past, not now, maybe some day?
[20:46] <dtchen> BUGabundo1: you would set up separate virtual devices with ttables
[20:46] <BUGabundo1> dtchen: how would I do that?
[20:46] <dtchen> BUGabundo1: there are examples in gnubien's asoundconf archive
[20:46] <Frijolie> cwillu, Package `linux-image' is not installed and no info is available.
[20:46] <BUGabundo1> dtchen: link/path ?
[20:47] <dtchen> BUGabundo1: i believe it's on the radar for 0.9.15+
[20:47] <BUGabundo1> ok nice
[20:47] <dtchen> BUGabundo1: use google; the url changed
[20:47] <cwillu> Frijolie, dpkg-query -s linux-image-2.6.28-11-generic, actually
[20:47] <BUGabundo1> ehheh will do
[20:47] <Frijolie> "latest for your mirror", well then it wouldn't be a "mirror" if it weren't mirroring, right?
[20:47] <dtchen> BUGabundo1: i've given you the important query terms
[20:47] <maco> Frijolie: sometimes it takes a while to propogate to all mirrors
[20:47] <BUGabundo1> Frijolie: some mirrors just rsync every 24h
[20:48] <s0u][ight> hi guys
[20:48] <Frijolie> Package `linux-image-2.6.28.11-generic' is not installed and no info is available
[20:48] <maco> aren't there a few mirrors in asia that are more like every 3 days?
[20:48] <dtchen> Frijolie: note the typo
[20:48] <Frijolie> I didn't know that about the mirrors...I have chosen a custom mirror (one that's really really close to my house)
[20:48] <dtchen> Frijolie: linux-image-2.6.28.11-generic != linux-image-2.6.28-11-generic
[20:48] <cwillu> Frijolie, which kernel flavour are you running?
[20:48] <BUGabundo1> maco some don't even work until manual intervention
[20:48] <s0u][ight> how come sometimes alt+f2 gives another window than normally?
[20:48] <cwillu> oh, heh
[20:48] <Frijolie> ah...thanks dtchen
[20:48] <maco> s0u][ight: what do you mean?
[20:48] <Frijolie> the little things
[20:48]  * cwillu huggles dtchen 
[20:49] <s0u][ight> maco, the normal window that opens when hitting alt+f2 you know?
[20:49] <dtchen> honestly, the best way is to `cat /proc/version_signature'
[20:49] <s0u][ight> sometimes i get another one-quiet similar- but different
[20:49]  * BUGabundo1 wonders if cwillu has big nails! he keeps poking and guggling users
[20:49] <cwillu> aha, didn't know that, thanks
[20:49] <maco> s0u][ight: in gnome or kde?
[20:49] <s0u][ight> gnome
[20:49] <Frijolie> cwillu, http://pastebin.com/m99f76d8
[20:49] <BUGabundo1> maco is there and alt+f2 for KDE?
[20:49] <cwillu>  /version, rather :p
[20:50] <maco> BUGabundo1: of course :P krunner
[20:50] <BUGabundo1> ahhh
[20:50] <maco> BUGabundo1: gnome's is part of gnome-panel for reasons i still havent figured out
[20:50] <s0u][ight> you want to see a screenshot?
[20:50] <cwillu> Frijolie, fresh ext4 partition?
[20:50] <maco> s0u][ight: yeah
[20:50] <Frijolie> I did a "recovery mode" on the '/' partition and reinstalled grub on it thinking that would fix it
[20:51] <Frijolie> cwillu, yes
[20:51] <Frijolie> i reformatted and "upgraded" to ext4
[20:51] <khunt> anyone? maintenance shell not accepting root password?
[20:51] <Frijolie> erasing all previous partitions
[20:51] <dennda> Hi, http://paste.pocoo.org/show/111205/ <-- Any idea why that is? Fresh intrepid install with all updates. Tried update-manager -d to get to jaunty
[20:52]  * cwillu ignores the ignorant and pointless scare quotes around upgraded, as this is why we do pre-releases
[20:52] <s0u][ight> maco, http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/2936/screenshotf.png
[20:52] <cwillu> Frijolie, and it's a panic, not a freeze, right?
[20:52] <maco> khamael: the recovery mode? it shouldnt need a password
[20:52] <cwillu> Frijolie, any chance you can copy out the contents of the panic message?
[20:52] <maco> khamael: unless you unlocked the root account
[20:52] <Frijolie> I got two errors upon "loading grub"
[20:53] <Frijolie> ACPI: aborted because bad gzip magic numbers
[20:53] <maco> s0u][ight: i dont see anything different, aside from your theme...
[20:53] <Halow> dennda: Python was broken, last I knew, so upgrading isn't working presently.
[20:53] <Frijolie> and Kernel Panic - Not Syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)
[20:53] <dennda> Ok switching to the main servers helped
[20:53] <Cpudan80> Whats the release date for 9.04 ?
[20:53] <maco> er wait...it should have an icon on the left, huh?
[20:53] <dennda> Halow: see my last message
[20:53] <BUGabundo1>  !release
[20:53] <BUGabundo1> Cpudan80: ^^^^^^^
[20:53] <Frijolie> i wrote them down to hit this channel last night when I got it
[20:53] <BUGabundo1> 23 of april
[20:53] <cwillu> april 28th I believe
[20:53] <s0u][ight> maco, that isn't the normal one i see i know for sure
[20:54] <maco> (i have no alt+f2 at all since i'm using xmonad, so i'm going by memory)
[20:54] <cwillu> nvm :p
[20:54] <Halow> dennda: Ah. Gotcha. Some of the mirrors are a little behind. Sorry!
[20:54] <maco> s0u][ight: what's it usually look like?
[20:54] <BUGabundo1> cwillu: 23
[20:54] <Cpudan80> thanks
[20:54] <eseven73> Cpudan80, 23rd
[20:54] <Cpudan80> yeah I got it thanks
[20:54] <maco> s0u][ight: normally, it looks like this? http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/images/flashmanual07.png
[20:55] <dennda> #play 025
[20:55] <s0u][ight> maco, yeah
[20:55] <dennda> err, sorry, wrong channel
[20:55] <cwillu> Frijolie, well, file a bug I guess.  I'm a little suspicious that you might be running into a hardware issue (i.e., I've been running ext4 for months relatively issue free, certainly no boot-time kernel panics)
[20:55] <maco> though i dont recall "show list of known applications"....
[20:55] <yofel> khunt: like BUGabundo already told you root has no passwd and can't be used, or do you have a problem with sudo?
[20:55] <s0u][ight> you see, its a bit different, and this one i get is annoying
[20:55] <maco> it's possible khunt unlocked root....
[20:56] <BUGabundo1> khunt: the only reason to have a pass there, is because you or someone with access to the pc, entered one
[20:56] <BUGabundo1> khunt: if you want, we can tell you how to remove it, with a livecd/usb
[20:56] <khunt> yofel, i am not logged in I have disk errors it is asking for root password
[20:56] <maco> Frijolie: are you trying to use a /boot thats on ext4?
[20:56] <Frijolie> yeah, I dunno. After many frustrating hours of troubleshooting it, I reinstalled with the same settings but changed back to ext3 and here I am
[20:56] <maco> khunt: did you unlock root at some point?
[20:56] <khunt> no
[20:56] <maco> khunt: it should not be asking for a password
[20:56]  * BUGabundo1 remebers everyone that passwords are not secure! fisical access to the HW always beats passwords
[20:56] <Frijolie> no, I only had three partitions /swap, /, and /home
[20:56] <coz_> s0u][ight,  the run dialog is a smaller window with no menus  so the theme  is working  if you look closely
[20:57] <Frijolie> both / and /home were ext4
[20:57] <Frijolie> and they were in that order on the HDD
[20:57] <khunt> it fails to boot with disk errors then falls back to a maintenance shell and asks for root password to perform maintenance
[20:57] <BUGabundo1> khunt: did you try YOUR password?
[20:57] <maco> Frijolie: and boot is part of / and AFAIK grub doesnt do ext4 yet, does it?
[20:57] <khunt> yes
[20:57] <s0u][ight> coz_, but i don't get this one all the time, while having this theme all the time ;)
[20:57] <khunt> invalid login
[20:57] <maco> khunt: try manually choosing recovery mode?
[20:57] <BUGabundo1> khunt: boot from live cd, and run fsck ?
[20:57] <coz_> s0u][ight,  oh?  do you have an example of when it looks different and with which dialogs?
[20:58] <khunt> its a netbook
[20:58] <maco> coz_: yeah he linked above
[20:58] <coz_> let me scroll back
[20:58] <khunt> i dont have a live usb and my cd drive is at work :-(
[20:58] <BUGabundo1> khunt: liveUSB then?
[20:58] <khunt> i will try the manual recovery though
[20:58] <Frijolie> maco, I'm not sure. I was just gonna give ext4 a try
[20:58] <BUGabundo1> ok khunt
[20:58] <maco> coz_: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/images/flashmanual07.png
[20:58] <maco> coz_: wrong link
[20:58] <maco> coz_: http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/2936/screenshotf.png
[20:58] <maco> that one
[20:58] <s0u][ight> coz_, i only linked one, the one i'm having now, but at another time i get what maco links
[20:59] <maco> 2 paste buffers = confusion
[20:59] <khunt> ok
[20:59] <khunt> booted into recovery running fsck
[20:59] <topyli> maco: my grub boots file from ext4
[20:59] <topyli> fine even
[20:59] <coz_> s0u][ight,  yeah I am seeing your one link  there but there is no problem on that screenshot
[21:00] <maco> topyli: oh ok then. i didnt know theyd added support for it already. figured itd be one of those grub2 things
[21:00] <khunt> unattached unode 517221 connect to /lost+found?
[21:00] <kady> Ok lets try reboot into Gnome
[21:00] <s0u][ight> coz_, there is, this window behaves differently to the input i give, for instance autocompleting isn't there
[21:00] <maco> coz_: look at the two links i gave. pyschocats is how it should look. imageshack is how it does
[21:01] <coz_> maco,  the psychocats link is a metacity theme from the link above ?
[21:01] <khunt> Thanks guys recovery mode worked!
[21:01] <maco> coz_: note the lack of an icon on the left?
[21:02] <maco> coz_: and the "show known applications" dropdown?
[21:02] <coz_> ah
[21:02] <s0u][ight> now you guys get what i mean
[21:02] <coz_> maco,  s0u][ight  this could be theme related .. have you tested othere themes with this?  I assume you are using emerald as well
[21:03] <linuxnewbe> Hi I've a security question about apache ubuntu justy and the service norton safe web
[21:03] <linuxnewbe> someone can help?
[21:03] <s0u][ight> coz_, i don't think it is theme related actually because the theme is working great and this is happening after i upgraded to jaunty
[21:04] <coz_> s0u][ight,  mm  ok   I will test all of my themes both emerald and metacity to see if this pops up
[21:04] <s0u][ight> would be lovely :D
[21:04] <s0u][ight> coz_, from compiz-fusion and stuff right?
[21:04] <linuxnewbe> I've a site redirect by dyndns
[21:04] <coz_> s0u][ight,  yes... do you have a link for the emerald theme you are using in the screenshot?
[21:05] <linuxnewbe> this site is based on apache 2... it's some time norton safe web tell me this site is unsecure
[21:05] <mgedmin> ouch, rotated external screen is horribly horribly horribly slow in jaunty (intel 965gm)
[21:05] <maco> s0u][ight: did it only start happening when you changed themes?
[21:05] <s0u][ight> i thought it was from compiz-themes "slickness"
[21:05] <linuxnewbe> I need to understand if this is true and how can I solve the problem
[21:05] <coz_> s0u][ight,  ok let me search that
[21:05] <s0u][ight> maco, i was using this theme before upgrading and worked like a charm
[21:05] <maco> s0u][ight, coz_: this doesnt look like something a theme would cause. about 5 widgets are just plain *missing*
[21:06] <coz_> maco,  well let me check this first to be sure :)
[21:06] <maco> linuxnewbe: its a site *you* host?
[21:06] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[21:07] <linuxnewbe> It's a test site (somethink like test environement that clients can se)
[21:07] <BUGabundo1> calc: ping
[21:07] <BUGabundo1> calc: any reason why you are reopening bug 347209 ?
[21:07] <maco> linuxnewbe: but its your site, not a site you're trying to visit?
[21:08] <maco> linuxnewbe: are you sure its not firefox or google redirecting you to the StopBadware report saying that your site was jacked and is spreading malware at someone else's behest?
[21:08] <coz_> s0u][ight,  is this the one   http://compiz-themes.org/content/show.php/SlicknesS+Emerald?content=73972
[21:08] <linuxnewbe> it's my site,,, when I try to access it nortod block it
[21:08] <coz_> s0u][ight,  if so it is not causing an issue here on jaunty
[21:08] <linuxnewbe> safeweb.norton.com
[21:08] <s0u][ight> coz_, yeah it is that theme
[21:08] <maco> linuxnewbe: oh right norton...so norton says you're hosting malware. fun. i suggest asking Norton what they found on your site that makes them believe you are a perveyor of malware
[21:09] <linuxnewbe> lookhere.dnsalias.org
[21:09] <mgedmin> hey, what happened to all the keybindings?  alt+f2 doesn't open the run dialog, alt+f1 doesn't open the menu
[21:09] <linuxnewbe> I want to know how can I remove my entry
[21:09] <s0u][ight> :D i'm not the only one :D
[21:09] <maco> mgedmin: sytem -> preferences -> keyboard shortcuts...were they wiped out?
[21:09] <linuxnewbe> or clean the situation
[21:09] <mgedmin> checking now...
[21:09] <maco> s0u][ight: he's saying they dont do anything at all
[21:09] <linuxnewbe> someone know?
[21:09] <maco> linuxnewbe: CALL NORTON
[21:09] <maco> linuxnewbe: only they can tell you why they block your site
[21:09] <crdlb> mgedmin: if you're using compiz, the gnomecompat plugin probably didn't get enabled
[21:10] <mgedmin> nope, gnome-keybinding-preferences show they're set
[21:10] <mgedmin> yep, compiz, checking that now
[21:10] <coz_> s0u][ight,  right I am saying that that particular theme as well as the other themes are NOT creating the issue you seem to be having
[21:10] <linuxnewbe> I heard about the possibility that apache spam malware and so on
[21:10] <linuxnewbe> is this true?
[21:10] <linuxnewbe> can I have and infected apache
[21:10] <maco> linuxnewbe: apache's not a mailserver, so i dont think it can spam
[21:10] <linuxnewbe> ok
[21:10] <aaditya> hey peeps, i'm unable to set a systemwide wireless network config using NetworkManager. It says: "
[21:10] <aaditya> "Adding connection failed: PolicyKit authorization could not be created."
[21:11] <linuxnewbe> spam is not the right term... I use spam for deliver... what is the right term?
[21:11] <mgedmin> crdlb: thanks, that fixed it!
[21:11] <maco> linuxnewbe: but if you dont update your software (OS, apache, your wordpress install if you've got one, etc) of course someone can jack your server
[21:11] <s0u][ight> coz_, i just wanted to share what i'm getting, going to install something else tomorrow anyway :D
[21:11] <calc> BUGabundo1: its still a bug, i'm pretty sure i explained that to you already at least once
[21:11] <linuxnewbe> I've seen my apache is not the last
[21:11] <BUGabundo1> calc: I don't remember!
[21:11] <linuxnewbe> but usint apt-get I don't receive any update request
[21:11] <coz_> s0u][ight,  ok   sorry about this issue  I have not been able to recreat it here
[21:11] <BUGabundo1> maybe set a recommends on fuse?
[21:11] <calc> BUGabundo1: ok well it is a real bug
[21:12] <maco> linuxnewbe: so you would want to dig throught the whole thing and remove everything the cracker put on there, clean up all the bad stuff they added that's doing driveby downloads or whatever, and update all the software
[21:12] <aaditya> Anybody observed a difference in PolicyKit / NetworkManager in Jaunty?
[21:12] <s0u][ight> coz_, no appologize is needed :D
[21:12] <calc> BUGabundo1: but you just saw part of the issue by not having gvfs-fuse installed
[21:12] <BUGabundo1> calc: actually a recommends on gvfs-fusa
[21:12] <ActionParsnip> aaditya: i havent, i dont use it
[21:12] <linuxnewbe> where I found the bad staff?
[21:13] <s0u][ight> brb
[21:13] <calc> BUGabundo1: since OOo has %U instead of %F in desktop files it showed up
[21:13] <BUGabundo1> ok
[21:13] <aaditya> ActionParsnip: is there a better networking alternate for machines connecting to only one wifi? I ain't quite impressed with NetworkManager..
[21:13] <BUGabundo1> got it now
[21:13] <calc> BUGabundo1: if it had %F it would not have attempted to open the file at all without fuse being installed
[21:15] <ActionParsnip> aaditya: wifi-radar maybe. I always just edit the interfaces file personally so am not the best person to ask
[21:17] <maco> there's also wicd...heard good things about that
[21:18] <crdlb> he's gone, but I've found NM to be quite robust recently
[21:19] <BUGabundo1> crdlb: I think the same! I just a miss a one-button easy way to share networks, like anyone does in Windows
[21:19] <BUGabundo1> even Firestart won't work in my case... because NM prefers wired over any other network
[21:20] <bjsnider> sharing is what a router is for
[21:20] <Ienorand> crdlb: NO, only way for me to get networking in either Jaunty or intrepid is to disable the *mubleswearword* thing..
[21:20] <BUGabundo1> bjsnider: not when you have a 3G dongle and want to share the network via wired or wifi
[21:21] <Ienorand> I do not like N-M at the moment
[21:21] <crdlb> Ienorand: probably crappy wifi drivers
[21:21] <BUGabundo1> Ienorand: on KDE? 'cause gnome's one is pretty good
[21:21] <crdlb> BUGabundo1: they make routers that take evdo cards
[21:21] <Ienorand> BUGabundo1: gnome
[21:21] <BUGabundo1> or like crdlb said
[21:22] <BUGabundo1> crdlb: why get extra hw if I should be able to do it with my laptop?
[21:22] <BUGabundo1> actually according to dtchen, if I poke aroung iptables it should work... but that's not a one click solution
[21:23] <crdlb> laptops shouldn't be relied on for networking to other computers :)
[21:23] <coz_> networking  ---one click solutions?
[21:23] <crdlb> kind of defeats the purpose
[21:23] <coz_> :)
[21:24] <ActionParsnip> crdlb: they are ok if you want a small pc to slot out of the way
[21:24] <BUGabundo1> crdlb: don't the OMPLC do mesh?
[21:25] <crdlb> the OLPC is hardly a model of a successful idea ;P
[21:25] <crdlb> but that's a very different environment anyway
[21:26] <dennda> Halow: so /win 29
[21:26] <dennda> err
[21:31] <ubuntunewkid> i am using 9.04 on msft virtual pc
[21:32] <ActionParsnip> ubuntunewkid: what is your issue?
[21:32] <ubuntunewkid> sound...no sound
[21:32] <ubuntunewkid> my sound card is on-board
[21:32] <ubuntunewkid> i dont know if that helps you
[21:32] <ActionParsnip> ubuntunewkid: have you installed the guest additions?
[21:32] <BUGabundo1> ubuntunewkid: did you do what I asked you ?
[21:33] <ubuntunewkid> no
[21:33] <BUGabundo1> to report it on LP, and add the logs devs need?
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> if the virtual pc has such  feature
[21:33] <ubuntunewkid> should i install guest additions?
[21:33] <ubuntunewkid> because i can
[21:33] <bardyr> yes
[21:33] <ubuntunewkid> ok
[21:33] <ubuntunewkid> i am going to do that right now
[21:34] <BUGabundo1> ok
[21:34] <ActionParsnip> ubuntunewkid: did you check the iso you downloaded to install ubuntu?
[21:34] <ubuntunewkid> yes, i downloaded from the ubuntu home page
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> ubuntunewkid: did the md5sum match?
[21:35] <ubuntunewkid> i am not sure
[21:35] <ubuntunewkid> i just clicked on install virtual machine additions
[21:36] <ActionParsnip> ubuntunewkid: then you need to make sure dont you, if what you have downloaded isnt right then your install will be bad
[21:36] <ubuntunewkid> is there anything else i am supposed to do?
[21:36] <ActionParsnip> ubuntunewkid: you can also run the cd chacker on the first cd boot screen
[21:36] <ubuntunewkid> yeah,
[21:36] <ubuntunewkid> my download is clean.
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> ubuntunewkid: once the cd and iso check out 100% then I'd look into this but yo MUST check the md5sum to make sure the file you have downloaded hasn't become garbaged in transmission
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> http://arcanecode.com/2008/04/24/installing-ubuntu-804-under-microsoft-virtual-pc-2007/
[21:37] <ubuntunewkid> i have seen that website before...didn't do much for me
[21:38] <ubuntunewkid> is there something in the reg that i need to edit
[21:38] <ActionParsnip> ubuntunewkid: ubuntu doesnt have a registry like the windows OS
[21:38] <night-phoenix> Hi :)
[21:38] <ubuntunewkid> the text editor is the way they edit reg
[21:39] <bardyr> ActionParsnip, gconf?
[21:39] <ubuntunewkid> i had to edit the reg in ubuntu to install it
[21:39] <ActionParsnip> ubuntunewkid: you could try some bootoptions to see if that helps
[21:39] <ActionParsnip> !bootoptions
[21:40] <ubuntunewkid> ok
[21:40] <ActionParsnip> ubuntunewkid: do you get the login screen ok?
[21:40] <ubuntunewkid> yes
[21:41] <ActionParsnip> ubuntunewkid: does this error happen to all users?
[21:41] <ubuntunewkid> i am logged onto 9.04 right now...just no sound
[21:41] <ActionParsnip> ahhh
[21:41] <RichardWolfVI> "Upgrades from Ubuntu 8.10 Intrepid are currently suspended due to a Python issue."
[21:41] <ActionParsnip> sorry, mixing myself up
[21:41] <RichardWolfVI> So I shouldn't?
[21:41] <ActionParsnip> ubuntunewkid: does lspci   give any clues?
[21:42] <ubuntunewkid> some users get no sound in ubuntu...but im not sure they are in beta 9.04
[21:42] <ActionParsnip> RichardWolfVI: i'd say no
[21:42] <BUGabundo1> ActionParsnip: don't loose that much time! prob kernel can't use the MSFT virtual PC emulated sound card
[21:42] <RichardWolfVI> after I upgrade to Jaunty beta, I'll get the stable release automatically?
[21:42] <BUGabundo1> getting and lshall and alsa.sh would collect enough data to debug this
[21:43] <ActionParsnip> RichardWolfVI: yes as you will have jaunty repos already added
[21:43] <BUGabundo1> RichardWolfVI: its fixed now!
[21:43] <BUGabundo1> no one updated Topic
[21:43] <RichardWolfVI> hehe, thanks
[21:43] <ubuntunewkid> can anyone lead me to a support forum on the no sound in ubuntu on msft vpc prob?
[21:44] <BUGabundo1> ubuntunewkid: I already told you 3 times......
[21:44] <ActionParsnip> ubuntunewkid: does lspci display a sound device?
[21:44] <bardyr> ubuntunewkid, try virtualbox instead of ms vpc
[21:44] <BUGabundo1> open a bug on launchpad using ubuntu-bug pulseaudio
[21:44] <ubuntunewkid> i tried that, it wouldnt install on my pc
[21:44] <ubuntunewkid> the installation stopped prematurely...said my system wasnt modifies
[21:44] <ubuntunewkid> modified, excuse me
[21:45] <ubuntunewkid> i cant get virtual box to work
[21:45] <BUGabundo1> thanks dtchen
[21:45] <ubuntunewkid> so i stick with vpc
[21:46] <BUGabundo1> I guess he didn't even tried to enable PAE on VBox! that makes it work!
[21:46] <ActionParsnip> hehe
[21:46] <ActionParsnip> his loss
[21:46] <BUGabundo1> yeah
[21:47] <RichardWolfVI> My, who's desperate enough to use VirtualPC
[21:48] <RichardWolfVI> well thanks for the response
[21:50] <YixilTesiphon> hi, I have gotten my atheros 242x card working to some extent but it is not recognizing any wireless networks
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> YixilTesiphon: does   sudo iwlist scan     show APs/
[21:51] <YixilTesiphon> no
[21:51] <YixilTesiphon> "no scan results"
[21:52] <YixilTesiphon> I'm in an apartment building in a college town, so there should be 10 or 20 networks showing up
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> YixilTesiphon: is the killswitch set on so the device is active?
[21:52] <YixilTesiphon> ActionParsnip: how would I check that?
[21:53] <BUGabundo1> iwconfig
[21:54] <YixilTesiphon> wlan0 shows a device, yes
[21:54] <YixilTesiphon> with iwconfig
[21:54] <ActionParsnip> YixilTesiphon: its the switch on the pysical laptop to turn the wifi off and on
[21:54] <LiMaO> hey everyone, how do i make it so that the 'documents' folder do not get recreated all the time?
[21:54] <YixilTesiphon> ActionParsnip: ah
[21:55] <maco> LiMaO: take the XDG User Dirs stuff out of autostart
[21:55] <YixilTesiphon> it is highlighted red but does not respond when I press it
[21:55] <lamalex> anyone here using the indicator applet with pidgin, and working suspend resume?
[21:55] <maco> lamalex: yeah
[21:55] <LiMaO> maco: thanks a lot, let me have a look at it
[21:55] <lamalex> maco: does it die when you resume?
[21:56] <maco> lamalex: no
[21:56] <lamalex> if i have pidgin running, suspend, resume, the indicator looks like it has no data providersrunning
[21:56] <YixilTesiphon> oh, it can now see networks
[21:56] <BUGabundo1> LiMaO: unselect it from startup
[21:56] <YixilTesiphon> weird, but awesome
[21:56] <YixilTesiphon> thanks all
[21:56] <BUGabundo1> lamalex: I got it crashing a few times
[21:57] <lamalex> BUGabundo1: same, but I can reporude it every time with suspend
[21:57] <BUGabundo1> not me
[21:57] <LiMaO> maco and BUGabundo1, i can't find it neither in autostart, service manager or session manager.. btw, using kde
[21:58] <BUGabundo1> LiMaO: ahh my tip was for gnome
[21:58] <LiMaO> BUGabundo: btw, are you brazilian?
[21:59] <BUGabundo> LiMaO: PT
[21:59] <grodius> hey can anyone help me out? im using an  Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) chip and im trying to get compiz to work.
[22:00] <LiMaO> BUGabundo: oh ok, i knew your nick was related to 'vagabundo' heh
[22:00] <BUGabundo> grodius: you prob can't!
[22:00] <BUGabundo> grodius: did you look in LP for your bug?
[22:01] <maco> LiMaO: i dont know hwere kde puts the xdg stuff...
[22:02] <maco> BUGabundo: why "you prob cant"? that chip has worked for compiz since edgy
[22:02] <grodius> BUGabundo: yea, people have had it but no one has answered
[22:02] <maco> er wait...no that might be the newer one from gutsy
[22:02] <grodius> BUGabundo: but it isnt a bug really, I've fixed it before in my xorg.
[22:02] <maco> anyway, im going to do homework now. nobody ping me.
[22:02] <grodius> BUGabundo: you have to just add a couple of lines. i just need to find someone with the same chipset as me that has it working
[22:03] <BUGabundo> maco grodius https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/304871/comments/120
[22:03] <maco> BUGabundo: reading fail
[22:04] <LiMaO> hey, just for reference: anyone looking to disable the xdg user dirs under kde, just edit /etc/xdg/user-dirs.conf and set the 'enabled' variable to 'false'
[22:06] <LiMaO> another issue, anyone having problems installing sun-java* ?
[22:07] <thiebaude> LiMaO: did you install ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[22:07] <LiMaO> thiebaude: kubuntu-restricted-extras (the one which applies to me, under kde) is broken in jaunty
[22:08] <LiMaO> thiebaude: the meta package doesn't install anything at all
[22:08] <LiMaO> thiebaude: i was installing everything manually, but the sun-java packages are giving some problems.. the license cannot be shown and accepted, thus giving some errors
[22:09] <thiebaude> ok
[22:10] <thiebaude> LiMaO: sun java didn't show the ok button to press to accept the license
[22:12] <EvilAIM> Hey, any of you guys seen this mirror testing script?
[22:12] <EvilAIM> it downloads a file from all the mirrors to tell you which is the fastest.
[22:12] <EvilAIM> the one it told me is the fastest is topping out my 15mbit...
[22:12] <EvilAIM> I'm getting 2.5 MB/s bursts.
[22:15] <EagleScreen> hello i use Kubuntu 9.04
[22:15] <EvilAIM> Neato.
[22:15] <EagleScreen> it hangs very often, it may be cuased by Xorg or by ext4
[22:16] <EagleScreen> how could I check if ext4 is the problem?
[22:16] <LiMaO> is there a way of downgrading from amarok 2 to 1.x?
[22:16] <EvilAIM> Have you checked your system logs yet?
[22:17] <EvilAIM> limao: get the source files and manually compile it, but remove amarok 2 first via apt-get remove
[22:17] <EvilAIM> then auto clean
[22:18] <LiMaO> doh, isn't it available in the repos? compiling something by hand isn't that recommended nowadays on such a system
[22:18] <EvilAIM> try: apt-cache search amarok
[22:18] <seiflotfy3> hi guys! Wil the new nvidia drivers be inserted into Jaunty
[22:18] <EvilAIM> see if they still have the old one.
[22:18] <seiflotfy3> sine the current ones in the repository heat up the GU
[22:18] <thiebaude> LiMaO: no amarok 2 is in synaptic
[22:18] <seiflotfy3> GPu
[22:19] <BUGabundo> guud night everyone! cu tommorow
[22:19] <LiMaO> seiflotfy3: i have no problems with the drivers in the repo.. tested on both a 8800gts alpha dog and a 6200le
[22:19] <thiebaude> good nite BUGabundo
[22:19] <EvilAIM> ya, I'm about to install this 9.04 64 bit with ext4
[22:20] <EvilAIM> I have the nvidia, so we'll see how this works out for me:)
[22:20] <thiebaude> how do i install ext4?
[22:20] <EvilAIM> thiebaude: it's an option in the installer
[22:20] <EvilAIM> I wouldn't recommend installing it dirty.
[22:20] <EvilAIM> clean install is the best way
[22:20] <thiebaude> EvilAIM: i upgraded from 8.10
[22:20] <thiebaude> ok
[22:21] <SwedeMike> I tried 9.04 on a machine with 9300 onboard, and manually installed nvidia 180.44 and used it on a 1080p display. as soon as I tried running 1080p h264 material with for instance mplayer, xorg went to 100% cpu and I had to kill -KILL Xorg because basically everything stopped working in X
[22:21] <Extremssaeufer30> island monkeys and tommys
[22:21] <Extremssaeufer30> are stupid
[22:22] <EvilAIM> Ya, I'm going to try it all out.
[22:22] <EvilAIM> should be interesting:)
[22:23] <EvilAIM> This new Mirror testing script is amazing.
[22:23] <EvilAIM> it downloads a small file from every mirror and tells me which is the fastest.  The one it showed me is topping out my 15mbit.
[22:24] <Extremssaeufer30> You've been kicked out of #opensolaris by e^ipi (e^ipi)
[22:28] <EvilAIM> If anyone wants to check which mirror is fastest, I have a test script to assist.
[22:28] <EvilAIM> http://www.pastebin.ca/1383080
[22:29] <EvilAIM> it has instructions and is very very low resource.
[22:30] <sdf2> hi
[22:31] <sdf2> does pulseaudio installed into ubuntu 9.04?
[22:31] <EvilAIM> I'm pretty sure it will
[22:31] <sdf2> TT
[22:31] <EvilAIM> ok
[22:32] <EvilAIM> wish me luck, I'm installing the os now
[22:32] <sdf2> good luck
[22:32] <sdf2> lets hope we will never see pulseaudio again...
[22:32] <EvilAIM> :)
[22:33] <sdf2> let people choose, if they want or not :p
[22:33] <Twigathy> most of the time pulse is fine, but sometimes it does Really Weird Stuff :(
[22:33] <sdf2> i can't make teamspeak work good with pulse :(
[22:34] <EvilAIM> Well, it isn't really a '
[22:34] <EvilAIM> er
[22:34] <EvilAIM> not really a choice thing.  you use what works.
[22:34] <philsf> sdf2: PA will most likely stay, and people can choose
[22:34] <sdf2> its hard to get rid of pa....
[22:35] <philsf> sdf2: sudo aptitude remove pulseaudio <- not hard
[22:35] <EvilAIM> ok, lets see how this works.
[22:35] <EvilAIM> bbs (hopefully)
[22:35] <sdf2> i will definitely try it...
[22:39] <LiMaO> an issue i was having on the alphas is that it was impossible to get 5.1 sound working correctly... still have to test it on the beta
[22:42] <j5098> so i'm trying to get my frame rate for desktop effects to not suck in jaunty
[22:42] <j5098> i have an intel chipset, anyone have luck with this?
[22:45] <mnemo> j5098: EXA currently has gigantic perf regression
[22:45] <mnemo> j5098: switching to UXA mode will make it go fast again like intrepid or better but UXA is unstable on some chipsets
[22:45] <mnemo> j5098: what chipset do you have?
[22:47] <j5098> mnemo, 945g? i think
[22:48] <j5098> mnemo, i tried adding the uxa thing in my device section of xorg, but then i couldn't even get to the login window
[22:48] <mnemo> ah, then you're stuck between a rock and a hard place
[22:48] <mnemo> but for 945 there actually another perf regression which is being fixed
[22:48] <mnemo> if you have an error in xorg.log that says "tiling" isnt being activated
[22:49] <mnemo> that error will likely get fixed before release
[22:49] <mnemo> but the status is still unknown for the general EXA perf problem
[22:49] <bjsnider> maybe he just screwed up the syntax and that's why uxa didn't take
[22:49] <mnemo> yea or that
[22:51] <mnemo> j5098: if your xorg.log contains:
[22:51] <mnemo> (EE) intel(0): Failed to set tiling on front buffer: No such file or directory
[22:51] <mnemo> then you might be hitting this one --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/349992
[22:53] <mnemo> however, as I said... my EXA perf on G45 is still so bad the machine is unusable in EXA and I dont have the tiling problem...
[22:55] <j5098> mnemo, hmmm, i'm not in ubuntu right now
[22:55] <j5098> i'll have to check later
[22:55] <j5098> thx tho
[22:59] <urthmover> How do I clean up qt and openoffice after I do an upgrade from intrepid to jaunty?  something about Fix Workarounds?
[23:00] <Joker_-_> Hi, any help on setting up bluetooth headphones as "normal" headphones would be appreciated...
[23:00] <Joker_-_> My headset is paired, but can't get any sound out of em
[23:03] <EagleSn> please could you tell me if do you think this Xorg.log.0.old has any issue?
[23:03] <EagleSn> http://pastebin.com/f44a8c851
[23:03] <danbhfive_jaunty> anyone know about the suspend resume script testing thing?  Specifically, why haven't the timer controls been switched, as suggested upstream?
[23:06] <the7thmagus_> hey, I am using Kubuntu Jaunty and my file delete and empty trash operations do not work. its just stalled and stays there forever. KIOslave delete process takes up massive CPU time
[23:07] <bytor4232> Well, I will say one thing about Jaunty, my battery life is improved!  I went from an hour and 10 to an hour and a half plus!
[23:08] <bytor4232> I don't know if switching to Xubuntu had anything to do with it.
[23:09] <EagleSn> I think yes, I heared one time that XFCE save battery
[23:09] <bytor4232> Maybe it accesses the hdd less or something.
[23:10] <rconan> well the whole thing is smaller, uses less processor, less memory
[23:10] <rconan> of course it saves power
[23:16] <danbhfive_jaunty> what does the kernaloops thing do?  I sent one off, but it just disappeared...
[23:17] <mnemo> apt-get source kerneloops
[23:17] <mnemo> heh
[23:17] <mnemo> I think it submits data to www.kerneloops.org so mainline kernel devs get it
[23:17] <mnemo> you can look up your submitted crashes there
[23:18] <danbhfive_jaunty> huh, that's pretty cool
[23:19] <danbhfive_jaunty> its like a useful garbage can  :)
[23:19] <mnemo> danbhfive_jaunty: you can get statistics on what kind of crashes on the most common, and then fix those first etc
[23:20] <ondisk> kerneloops is indeed really cool
[23:22] <RichardWolfVI> hello
[23:22] <mnemo> hello Richard Wolf the 6th
[23:22] <mnemo> what is your mind?
[23:22] <RichardWolfVI> What's the issue with python-uniconvertor?
[23:22] <RichardWolfVI> hey mnemo
[23:23] <mnemo> ehm, what error are you seeing?
[23:23] <RichardWolfVI> it seems I can't install said package
[23:23] <mnemo> hmm, there has been a lot problems with python package today
[23:23] <RichardWolfVI> it's installed, though
[23:23] <mnemo> some update that was buggy I think
[23:23] <mnemo> not sure exactly
[23:24] <RichardWolfVI> better keep waithing
[23:24] <RichardWolfVI> *waiting
[23:26] <mnemo> yeah it will probably go away in like 2-3 days at most
[23:31] <the7thmagus_> hey, I am using Kubuntu Jaunty and my file delete and empty trash operations do not work. its just stalled and stays there forever. KIOslave delete process takes up massive CPU time
[23:36] <|ns|nR8> i duel boot 8.10 with 9.04 running ext4...grub info is stored on the ext4 partition...if 8.10 updates kernel will it be able to update the grub info on the 9.04 partition..i was just wondering since 8.10 cant normall access ext4
[23:38] <J-_> Anyone else having problems with alarm-clock hard locking the desktop?
[23:41] <kklimonda> why doesn't update-notifier show icon in tray when new updates are available?
[23:42] <RichardWolfVI> J-_: Yes, it's hanging for me
[23:51] <LiMaO> how do i configure pulseaudio for 5.1 sound output? running kubuntu jaunty
[23:59] <StevenX> Hello. How do I add a multiverse repo to jaunty? I want to install the latest vlc (0.9.9) and the repos only have (0.9.8).