[01:11] <Flannel> sigh.
[02:08] <Flannel> ubottu: tell patrickya about register
[02:11] <UdontKnow> hi. might want to look at gollum in #ubuntu
[02:12] <Flannel> UdontKnow: already on it
[02:12] <Flannel> Erm, since when do we not autoban mibbits?
[02:12] <Flannel> Ah, there we go.
[02:28] <LjL> Flannel: uh? it banned it immediately
[02:29] <Flannel> LjL: It took a good few seconds
[02:29] <Flannel> I was looking for immediately.  Otherwise I'd have to do it manually, etc.
[02:29] <Pricey> 3 seconds on my screen
[02:29] <LjL> Flannel: err, are you talking about this one?
[02:29] <Flannel> but, It happened, so it's all good.
[02:29] <LjL> [03:12:42] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Flannel
[02:29] <Pricey> I think that is reasonable?
[02:29] <LjL> [03:12:43] <-- Gollum has left this channel (requested by Flannel: "you should know better").
[02:29] <LjL> [03:12:43] *** ChanServ sets mode: -o Flannel
[02:30] <LjL> [03:12:43] *** FloodBot3 sets mode: +b-e *!*@208-46-75-50.dia.static.qwest.net gollum!i=d02e4b32@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e60a0413b1de36c3
[02:30] <LjL> same second on my screen...
[02:30] <Flannel> LjL: Must be lag then on floodbots side.
[02:30] <LjL> no
[02:30] <Pricey> Flannel: not if its the same on ljl's screen
[02:30] <LjL> that's lag between freenode servers
[02:30] <Flannel> Whatever.
[02:30] <Pricey> Flannel: will be between servers/you and server
[02:30] <Flannel> It happened, that's all that mattered.
[02:30] <LjL> well
[02:30] <Flannel> But, there was enough time for me to come here, type that, etc.
[02:30] <LjL> lag between freenode servers sometimes matters - a lot
[02:31] <Flannel> Which also includes probably a second for me to not see an immediate one.
[02:33] <Flannel> LjL: http://paste.ubuntu.com/144537/
[02:33] <Pricey> Flannel: we don't doubt that there may appear to have been several seconds between the kick and the floodbots taking action according to your screen.
[02:33] <LjL> Flannel: well that doesn't have seconds, but the "yes but" and following message happened after the ban on my server.
[02:34] <LjL> Flannel: what server are you on?
[02:35] <Flannel> Pricey: LjL told me I was lying!! *whine*
[02:36] <Flannel> wolfe?  That's what it says on the MOTD
[02:36] <LjL> Flannel: then it's wolfe - although you can /whois flannel to check that more quickly
[02:36] <Pricey> Flannel: its not a matter of you lying, its just your interpretation of what you see isn't correct afaik.
[02:37] <bazhang> :0
[02:38] <Seeker`> who's afraid of the big bad LjL
[02:39] <LjL-Wolfe> u
[02:39] <Seeker`> :O
[02:42] <DRweasel> If your ready for wreslemania 25 than give me a shit yeah
[02:42] <LjL> DRweasel: how about you go to hell instead
[02:42] <LjL> and stop spamming channels like this
[02:42] <DRweasel> theres no chance in hell i am going to hell
[02:42] <DRweasel> i thought thats trolling
[02:43] <DRweasel> ethier way i dont troll nor spam
[02:43] <DRweasel> If your ready for wreslemania 25 than give me a hell yeah
[02:44] <bazhang> not smart to do this in freenode channel as well
[02:50] <LjL> Pricey, fun fact by the way - a couple of days ago while we were probably all sleeping, we had an attempted attack with i-don't-know-how-many-but-many clones from the same IP. 40 of them managed their way into #ubuntu, the rest were +J'd out
[02:50] <LjL> Pricey: they didn't say anything because that IP was known, and already muted in #ubuntu
[02:50] <LjL> Pricey: still, +J with many servers linked => many bots can join
[02:52] <LjL> Seeker`: feel better now?
[02:56] <Pricey> LjL: I wonder how seven fares.
[02:56] <Pricey> does seven has +J? i've forgotten.. *looks*
[02:57] <LjL> Pricey: dunno, i have the floodbots running in there, but i've never done some real, uh, stress testing
[02:57] <LjL> yeah it does
[02:57] <LjL> Pricey: you can join right now and you should find the floodbots in #ubuntu with +j set
[02:57] <Pricey> ah it has +j
[02:58] <LjL> Pricey: well, no, +j isn't set. still, it should be.
[02:59] <LjL> uhm actually it might be set but my client isn't showing it...
[02:59] <Seeker`> LjL: much
[03:00] <LjL> Pricey: one thing that's annoying with seven wrt my bots is that +q is not +b
[03:00] <Pricey> seven has +j x:y and works more simply than +J here. might be something odd with the way that format has changed
[03:00] <Pricey> hehe right
[03:00] <LjL> Pricey: well, i'm not sure it's really "more simply" honestly
[03:00] <LjL> but i'll be content if it turns out to be "better"
[03:01] <LjL> not that our +J is too bad... it wouldn't be if we only had one server.
[03:01] <Pricey> "x joins in y seconds"?
[03:01] <LjL> but we have, uh
[03:01] <LjL> 31
[03:01] <Pricey> I'd love for you to explain hyperion's way of doing it... :P
[03:01] <LjL> so multiply 31 by 5
[03:01] <LjL> and you get how many clones can potentially join #ubuntu :)
[03:03] <LjL> Pricey: we have 2,5. that means that every time someone joins, limit++
[03:03] <LjL> Pricey: when limit==5, joining is not allowed
[03:03] <LjL> Pricey: every 2 seconds, limit--
[03:04] <LjL> Pricey: then on top of that, the floodbots detect mass join using a completely different (and kind of overzealous) algorithm
[03:04] <Pricey> So it is, I'm sure it didn't use to be that simple 8-)
[03:05] <LjL> Pricey: which is intended to work so that even if a botnet joins slowly, a pattern of "too many users joined in the past minute or so" will ring alarm bells
[03:05] <Seeker`> I think it involved the phase of the moon at one point
[03:05] <LjL> Seeker`: that's still pending implementation
[03:05] <LjL> Seeker`: but, there *is* a fair bit of randomness involved - by design
[03:06] <LjL> basically i tuned it to statistics i had of #ubuntu
[03:06] <LjL> "how often does it happen that more than N users join in a minute?"
[03:06] <LjL> if the answer is "almost never", then N is a good trigger
[03:06] <LjL> but just *how often* the bots check is partly random
[03:06] <LjL> so it won't really always be one minute
[03:07] <LjL> i didn't want to make it possible to study the exact behavior of the floodbots and make a botnet that joins at exactly the rate needed to not trigger the alarm
[03:08] <Seeker`> fair enough
[03:08] <LjL> that does mean we get some false positives once in a while, but oh well, it's 30 seconds of +rR, and it doesn't happen *so* often
[03:09] <Seeker`> you could always say that if  a user joins a channel and speaks within 20 seconds (for example) they are less likely to be part of a flood
[03:10] <Flannel> Except if theyre flooding by joining and saying stuff immediately
[03:11] <Seeker`> Flannel: the floodbots also have spam detection afaik
[03:11] <LjL> Flannel: well in that case they wouldn't join slowly to begin with
[03:11] <LjL> Seeker`: i could do a lot of things
[03:11] <Flannel> LjL: Unless they were programmed to do it like ninjas...
[03:11] <LjL> Seeker`: a pretty solid criterion could be to give less weight to identified users
[03:12] <Seeker`> yeah
[03:12] <Seeker`> sounds reasonable
[03:12] <LjL> Seeker`: i could even check the nickname, and determine how likely it is to be a randomly generated nickname
[03:12] <LjL> (yes that can be done, just like we "can spot" [sometimes] a randomly generated clonebot nickname)
[03:12] <LjL> but there's laziness in the way
[03:12] <Seeker`> heh
[03:12] <Seeker`> you could also check the bantracker
[03:13] <LjL> slow
[03:13] <LjL> part of why i forked the watchbot was so i could make "slow" things happen
[03:13] <LjL> they must not happen in the floodbots
[03:13] <LjL> at least unless i rewrote them from scratch to be multithreaded - no thanks
[03:14] <Seeker`> heh
[03:15] <Seeker`> bedtime i think
[03:15] <LjL> yeah me too
[03:15] <Seeker`> night
[09:47] <bazhang> thefeds, how may we help you
[09:50] <thefeds> I don't need help.
[09:50] <thefeds> Just whenever I join "Debian Servers" it sometimes joins this
[09:50] <bazhang> thefeds, okay, then please exit the channel.
[09:51] <thefeds> for some strange reason
[09:51] <thefeds> ok
[09:51] <thefeds> maybe it's a ubuntu bug
[09:51] <ikonia> no
[09:51] <thefeds> sorry Ubuntu Servers
[09:51] <ikonia> it's because I have forwarded you to this channel 
[09:51] <thefeds> y?
[09:51] <bazhang> take #ubuntu off your auto-join list
[09:51] <thefeds> why did it forward me here?
[09:51] <thefeds> and not #ubuntu
[09:51] <bazhang> you are banned.
[09:51] <thefeds> oh
[09:51] <ikonia> thefeds: I've forwarded you to this channel because I'm concerned by your persistant offtopic behaviour in the ubuntu channels, and your troll like behaviour in other channels, 
[09:52] <elky> because you demonstrated refusal to play by the rules of the channel
[09:52] <bazhang> more than troll like.
[09:52] <ikonia> thefeds: I'm also concerned as you do this questionable behaviour as the feds - then change nicks to "cyptoplams" which is a registered nick
[09:52] <ikonia> thefeds: 1.) why do you feel the need to persistantly question people over random things like relgion 2.) why do you behave like this then swap nicks 
[09:52] <bazhang> thefeds is a registered nick as well.
[09:53] <ikonia> that is the first time I have seen it identified 
[09:54] <bazhang> having ubuntu auto login as root, saying ubuntu is promoting religion, suggesting ubuntu cd's be bundled with cigarettes, and on and on.
[09:54] <ikonia> yes, that type of behaviour
[09:54] <ikonia> thefeds: if you could explain your behaviour that would be an excellent start please. 
[09:55] <bazhang> ignoring numerous warnings to stop with same nonsense.
[09:55] <ikonia> ok, lets give him a chance to explain
[09:55] <bazhang> thefeds, any explanation for this?
[09:59] <elky> thefeds, you're not going to get many chances to explain before we lose any trust of what you say
[10:00] <thefeds> ok whatever I'll make a new nick and you won't know who I am anymore
[10:00] <thefeds> I'll stop trolling
[10:00] <ikonia> I'll take that threat to freenode
[10:00] <ikonia> thanks
[10:00] <ikonia> and thats where the conversations ends for me
[10:00] <ikonia> bye
[10:00] <bazhang> thefeds, ban evasion?
[10:00] <ikonia> bazhang: just leave it - thats the stance that wants to be taken, thats fine
[10:01] <ikonia> thefeds: please leave the channel 
[10:01] <ikonia> danke
[10:01] <bazhang> ikonia, his statement seems to have borne out the threat of future ban evasion
[10:01] <ikonia> I'll speak to freenode about his two cloaked accounts
[10:03] <jussi01> Lads, just one thing, IMHO, if the the op who banned the the person is around, perhaps its best for the sake of clarity that they deal with it unless they ask for help. IMHO, it must be confusing to come in here and have a lot of ops jump on you. 
[10:04] <bazhang> jussi01, as I did.
[10:09] <elky> jussi01, they dont come in with 'i was banned by $op' shirts or anything though
[10:10] <bazhang> I mentioned him throughout the day yesterday, and was the one who finally banned him.
[10:22] <ikonia> @btlogin
[10:23] <bazhang> * [thefeds] (n=user@c122-106-176-2.belrs3.nsw.optusnet.com.au
[10:23] <bazhang> before he was cloaked
[10:23] <ikonia> just checked that to make sure he wasn't in the channel, which he doesn't appear to be
[11:08] <ktebit> wHY can't i configure a HP netbook online with ubuntu???
[14:25] <LjL> uh oh
[14:25] <LjL> "haha"'s ident reminds me of something
[14:26] <LjL> ... and i guess from the exchange, that he gave sudo passwd root in pm
[14:26] <Tm_T> ...
[14:28] <Seeker`> ktebit: how can we help you?
[14:43] <Seeker`> !idle | ktebit 
[14:51] <Seeker`> ty
[15:22] <Myrtti> hi.
[15:24] <Seeker`> hi.
[15:34] <Myrtti> LjL: has he stopped flooding already?
[15:35] <LjL> i've tried to make him calm down
[15:35] <LjL> let's see
[16:21] <mneptok> Here she comes. Silent in her sound. Here she comes. Fresh upon the ground. Come gentle spring, come at winter's end. Gone is the pallor from a promise that's nature's gift. Waiting for the colour of spring.
[16:21] <mneptok> happy April 5th!!
[16:28] <Myrtti> oooooh, poems
[16:28] <LjL> !o4o
[16:28] <LjL> !offtopic4offtopic
[16:29] <LjL> !no offtopic4offtopic is <reply> Some things are inappropriate for #ubuntu-ops. Controversial topics, which often turn into flame wars: war, race, religion, politics, gender, sexuality, drugs, questionably legal activities, suicide are not for here. Please discuss these rules themselves only in #ubuntu-ops. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode Policy)
[16:29] <LjL> !no o4o is <alias> offtopic4offtopic
[16:29] <Myrtti> #ubuntu-ops?
[16:30] <Myrtti> "this channeö"
[16:30] <LjL> yeah, it's always been treated as implicit by virtually every op i've seen that debating the guidelines and rules themselves is to be made in PM with an op or in #ubuntu-ops
[16:30] <LjL> should be made explicit methinks
[16:31] <LjL> ah
[16:31] <LjL> the first one you mean
[16:31] <LjL> sure
[16:31] <LjL> !no offtopic4offtopic is <reply> Some things are inappropriate for $chan. Controversial topics, which always turn into flamewars: war, race, religion, politics (unless related to software licencing), gender, sexuality, drugs, questionable legal activities, removing of oneself from the planet (except by space or time travel) are not for here, perhaps #off-topic or ##politics. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode Policy) - Thanks.
[16:31] <LjL> !o4o
[16:31] <Myrtti> ♥
[16:32] <LjL> ugh, and now i used the old version, meh i'm an idiot
[16:32] <LjL> !no offtopic4offtopic is <reply> Some things are inappropriate for $chan. Controversial topics, which often turn into flame wars: war, race, religion, politics, gender, sexuality, drugs, questionably legal activities, suicide are not for here. Please discuss these rules themselves only in #ubuntu-ops. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode Policy)
[16:35] <LjL> !-offtopic4offtopic
[16:35] <LjL> !-o4o
[16:36] <LjL> !no ot4ot is <alias> offtopic4offtopic
[16:36] <LjL> !-ot4ot
[16:36] <LjL> meh, what a mess
[16:36] <LjL> !no ot4ot is <alias> offtopic4offtopic
[16:36] <LjL> !no ot4ot is <alias> offtopic4offtopic
[16:36] <LjL> !-religion
[16:36] <LjL> !no religion is <alias> offtopic4offtopic
[16:36] <LjL> !no religion is <alias> offtopic4offtopic
[16:37] <LjL> !no sex is <alias> offtopic4offtopic
[16:37] <LjL> !no sex is <alias> offtopic4offtopic
[16:37] <LjL> when you change factoids - check whether you're changing the factoid, or just (what used to be) an alias to it... :P
[16:43] <christel> no sex is offtopic?
[16:43] <christel> :o
[16:43] <jussi01> christel: *g*
[16:44] <LjL> it is. "i haven't had any sex this week" would be o4o :P
[16:44] <christel> hehe
[16:44] <jussi01> christel: you are a superstar :D
[16:44] <mneptok> LjL: in -ot, s/week/lifetime/
[16:44] <LjL> aside from the fact that i have serious doubts about the whole o4o thing to begin with
[16:44] <LjL> mneptok: true that
[16:44] <christel> jussi01: why thank you, what did i do to deserve that? :)
[16:45] <LjL> mneptok: not that in -ops it would be any better really.
[16:45] <mneptok> LjL: speak for yourself ;)
[16:45] <jussi01> christel: just made me smile, again :)
[16:45] <christel> <3
[16:45]  * mneptok has had plenty of sex in this lifetime. whether his partners have had *good* sex in this lifetime is very much debatable.
[16:46] <Myrtti> mmmm sex
[16:46]  * jussi01 was waiting for that comment from mneptok
[16:47]  * LjL shows mneptok a photo of mneptok
[16:47]  * mneptok loses all faith in humanity
[16:49] <mneptok> EVERYBODY OUT OF THE GENE POOL!
[16:49] <christel> awww
[16:52] <LjL> why don't i stop smoking. i keep getting aches in worrying places, i'm getting hypochondriac about it, and i don't stop
[17:04] <Seeker`> LjL: surely an ache anywhere is a worrying place to have an ache?
[17:11] <LjL> Seeker`: meh, not everything is "worrying" in the sense that it may be some deadly disease related to smoking, though
[17:13] <Seeker`> LjL: go see a dr then
[17:15] <Seeker`> LjL: I ignored various symptons of diabetes for a long time; may well have lined myself up for screwed eyes, kidneys and feet/hands
[17:15] <LjL> Seeker`: i will one of these days, still anyway if i don't have a cancer now, i'll get it sooner or later if i don't stop smoking and a doctor doesn't help much with that - or if i don't get one, i'll just keep living with the fear of getting one.
[17:16] <LjL> :\
[17:17] <Seeker`> I have signs of damage to my eyes already
[17:19] <Seeker`> which could probably have been prevented if i went to the drs about 18 months earlier
[17:19] <Myrtti> jussi01: Happy Birthday (sorry I'm late)
[17:19] <jussi01> Myrtti: :D
[17:49] <Seeker`> !myrtti is great
[17:49] <Seeker`> !myrtti
[17:50] <Myrtti> Seeker`: it used to be alias to !prayer :-P
[17:50] <Myrtti> !prayer
[17:51] <Seeker`> !myrtti is <alias> prayer
[17:52] <Seeker`> ubottu: no, !myrtti is <alias> prayer
[17:52] <Seeker`> ubottu: no, myrtti is <alias> prayer
[17:54] <Seeker`> !myrtti
[17:54] <Seeker`> better?
[17:54] <Myrtti> if you *insist* that I need a factoid
[17:55] <Seeker`> Myrtti: yes, yes I do.
[21:43] <BUGabundo1> hi
[21:43] <Seeker`> hi
[21:43] <Seeker`> how can we help you?
[21:43] <BUGabundo1> can some one strip the tail of #ubuntu+1 ?
[21:43] <BUGabundo1> it no longer applies, but no OP removed it yet
[21:44] <Seeker`> why does it no longer apply?
[21:44] <BUGabundo1> its fixed
[21:44] <BUGabundo1> update-manager works again
[21:44] <BUGabundo1> since yesterday
[21:45] <BUGabundo1> ok, someone did it! thanks!
[21:45] <Seeker`> seeya
[21:45] <BUGabundo1> FYI it was dtchen
[21:45] <Seeker`> I saw :)
[22:05] <Seeker`> do we want stuff like that as factoids?
[22:21] <jussi01> no
[22:27] <Myrtti> did someone understand that?
[22:28] <jussi01> Myrtti: what?
[22:30] <jussi01> Myrtti: there is a bug in jaunty currently with intel cards. 
[22:35] <Seeker`> blah
[23:22] <Myrtti> popey: a) you need to give it to ubottu I think
[23:22] <popey> ah
[23:22] <Myrtti> b) you need to @login first
[23:22] <popey> @login
[23:23] <popey> and do that here?
[23:23] <Myrtti> yeah
[23:23] <popey> ubottu: iplayer is http://bbc.co.uk/iplayer - one brand name for multiple online TV, Radio and podcast streaming and download services from the BBC.
[23:23] <popey> ooooo
[23:23] <Myrtti> or in pm or where ever it is
[23:23] <popey> ubottu: get_iplayer is http://linuxcentre.net/get_iplayer/ a small perl script which can download content from BBC iPlayer and ITV catch up services.
[23:23] <Myrtti> it'll be propagated to ubot4 in the near future
[23:23] <Myrtti> not instantaneously, though
[23:23] <popey> it didnt say it would remember that :S
[23:24] <Myrtti> !iplayer
[23:24] <popey> the second one
[23:24] <popey> !get_iplayer
[23:24] <popey> silly bot
[23:24] <popey> thanks Myrtti 
[23:24] <popey> do i need to @logout?
[23:24] <Myrtti> nope
[23:24] <Myrtti> it'll timeout itself
[23:24] <popey> cool
[23:25] <Myrtti> ubot4: !myrtti
[23:25] <Myrtti> ubot4: myrtti
[23:25] <Myrtti> it's prolly muted
[23:26] <popey> haha, yours is funny
[23:26] <Myrtti> yeah, Seeker` wanted to add it again
[23:26] <Myrtti> I don't think I'm person important enough to have a factoid, but meh
[23:26] <Myrtti> it's really an alias to !prayer
[23:28] <popey> ahhh
[23:30] <Seeker`> !seeker
[23:30] <Seeker`> :D
[23:31] <Myrtti> !pie-#ubuntu-offtopic
[23:31] <Myrtti> http://ikanobori.jp/storage/pi_e.jpg just cracked me up
[23:33] <Seeker`> nice
[23:47] <tangerine_> Hi, it says I am banned on #ubuntu but I am not sure why that would be!  Now I have a problem with gnome and I wanted some advice
[23:47] <Myrtti> @bansearch tangerine_ 
[23:48] <tangerine_> Why would that be ??
[23:48] <tangerine_> I am so confused haha
[23:49] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[23:49] <tangerine_> @btlogin
[23:49] <tangerine_> It did not do anything
[23:50] <Myrtti> do you remember being on IRC on that day at that time UTC?
[23:50] <tangerine_> Hmm, I'm not sure, I rarely use IRC
[23:51] <tangerine_> I might have been but I could not think of a reason that they would ban me
[23:51] <Seeker`> do you ever use any other nicknames?
[23:52] <tangerine_> Usually tangerine or fauxcivility or something
[23:52] <tangerine_> But really I have only used tangerine on irc
[23:52]  * Myrtti prods tritium, goes to bed
[23:52] <Myrtti> good night
[23:53] <Seeker`> night Myrtti 
[23:53] <tangerine_> Or maybe you can just help me
[23:54] <tangerine_> When firefox opens my menu bar won't show up
[23:54] <tangerine_> Auto-hide or not, I also get no title bar at the top
[23:56] <Seeker`> this isn't a support channel
[23:57] <tangerine_> Ok, well I was trying to get unbanned
[23:57] <Seeker`> tritium needs to deal with it as he is the one that banned you
[23:57] <tangerine_> Sooooo I'd like the ban lifted (which was placed there for only god knows why) so that I *can* get help
[23:58] <tangerine_> ...
[23:58]  * tangerine_ sighs
[23:58] <Seeker`> does the phrase "
[23:58] <Seeker`> "mesohorney" ring any bells?
[23:58] <tangerine_> No
[23:59] <tangerine_> Why?