joshjtlhey folks01:01
joshjtlcan I apply different wallpapers per desktop... kde
voriannixternal: nice dog01:33
vorianwhat do they taste like?01:33
ScottKSo now what distro do I run?02:07
ScottKBeen there.  Done that.  Don't want to do it again.02:07
ScottKJaunty is pretty much a fail for me due to Intel suckage.02:08
ScottKKubuntu is a bit too cutting edge for me, so definitely not Fedora.02:08
ScottKKDE 4.2 is going to Debian Unstable tomorrow.02:08
ScottKWhich means it ought to be backportable to Lenny within the next several weeks.02:09
JontheEchidnakde svn 94982802:10
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=949828&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 949828 | Move the weather wallpaper over to kdeplasma-addons02:10
voriancongrats :)02:10
ScottKexa is slow and full of redraw artifacts - basically unusable.02:11
JontheEchidnaI just single-handedly increased the tarball size by 13 MB, dunno how well that will fly with some peeps :P02:11
ScottKuxa is fast but falls over dies on a regular basis - basically unsuable.02:11
JontheEchidnavorian: double-wide hi-res wallpapers are probably out the window by default, but I do plan on implementing user-defined wallpapers02:12
ScottKMy intel 4965 wirelss sucked on Intrepid.02:12
EagleScreenKDE4 or Qt4 graphics are bad on Intel, do you think that UXA will fix this?02:12
ScottKUXA works great for me, but is crashy.02:13
ScottKIt varies a lot.02:13
ScottKEagleScreen: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/UxaTesting02:13
neversfeldeScottK: I read about Chakra on planet.ubuntu, the author was excited02:13
neversfeldeJontheEchidna: congrats02:13
ScottKneversfelde: Yes.  I read that.  I want a distro for both my servers and my desktop though.  I don't want to have to deal with two.02:14
neversfeldeScottK: mhh, I use ubuntu, even on my server02:14
ScottKYes.  Me too.02:14
ScottKBut switching to Chakra is out.02:15
neversfeldehehe, I will test it in a vm, but I think it is not as good as the blog post suggest02:15
ScottKThat's usually the case.02:17
* neversfelde has to work, 2h of sleep is no enough :(02:19
EagleScreenI mena fixing this kind of issues: http://imagebin.ca/view/wRBdqW.html02:22
EagleScreenit has nothing to see with composite or kwin effects02:23
EagleScreenand these kind of graphic issues are not present under Gnome/gtk02:23
ScottKDunno.  Mine doesn't look like that.  I'd suggest try it.02:25
kb9vqfAny ideas why my phosphor xscreensaver eventually turns into a blank black screen after running for a while?02:33
kb9vqf^^this is under Intrepid, on multiple video chips02:35
EagleScreenmy Kubuntu 9.04 hangs very often02:39
EagleScreeni dont know if it is an ext4 problem or X problem02:39
EagleScreenit just has hanged, and Xorg.0.log.old is empty02:39
jjessewhat version of kde will be shipped in jaunty?02:46
ScottKjjesse: 4.2.202:46
ScottKIt's there now.02:46
jjesseScottK: thanks02:48
joshjtlhi folks, anyone happen to know if an ubuntu package has been built anywhere for the kde 4 version of konversation svn?02:57
JontheEchidnajoshjtl: there isn't one afaik03:01
EagleScreennot but is not very diffucult to compile and install it from the svn sources03:01
joshjtlEagleScreen: i'm trying to find it for svn can you help03:02
EagleScreenyes, aks for it in #konversation03:03
Tscheesynixternal : Bug 35597503:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 355975 in kubuntu-docs "section network; string 71" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35597503:11
Tscheesykubuntu-docs should be worked all over - it has an old stage of default-apps and procedures03:13
joshjtlI forgot, can anyone remind me how to checkout something with svn ?03:14
joshjtlnm got it03:14
jjesseis ther a reason that we don't add standard applications ot the dictionary?03:37
jjesseso things like amarok, konqueror, etc don't highlight in firefox, openoffice etc?03:38
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ScottKrgreening: When you added a build-dep on phonon in qt4-x11 4.5~rc1-0ubuntu1 you made a circular build-dep between qt4 and phonon.  We either have to get rid of it or hppa needs manual bootstrapping to build qt4.04:41
ScottKrgreening: Suggestions?04:41
rgreeningScottK: which change? I do not believe I added anything for phonon, though Riddell did make some changes04:58
ScottK* Build with -phonon and -no-phonon-backend04:58
ScottK   - add rule to remove built phonon and use system phonon04:58
ScottK* Build with -phonon and -no-phonon-backend04:58
ScottK   - add rule to remove built phonon and use system phonon04:58
rgreeningScottK: my build followed debians (from Fabo)04:58
ScottKBut only once.04:58
ScottKOK, so Riddell added that?04:58
rgreeningRiddell did that04:59
ScottKRiddell: ^^^ is for you then....04:59
rgreeningyep :)04:59
rgreeningI wish we'd use the Qt phonon and be done with it05:00
* ScottK is busy retrying all of KDE on ia64 because slangasek fixed qt4-x11 there.05:05
* nixternal wonders when we will get a python upload that won't break stuff06:06
kadynixternal: Where is the excitement in that?06:24
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Tm_Tanyone willing to buy me a new computer?09:37
* Tm_T is getting frustrated, 3 weeks struggling with broken hardware09:38
jussi01Tm_T: I have a box you can have if you come to get it. its a bit noisy, only the box, AMD 2600, if it helps.09:49
Tm_Tjussi01: hmmmm, supports 2 GiB ram and SATA disks?09:51
jussi01Tm_T: 2gb ram yes, not sure about sata. it has 1 gb in it currently09:51
Tm_TI need SATA support, I afraid09:52
jussi01Tm_T: you can buy a sata card cheaply ;) but I think it does, just not certain09:52
Tm_Tjussi01: I know, but I have 0-budget, literally09:53
Tm_Tuntil we get our communitycompany up and running09:53
jussi01Tm_T: yeah, I know. Ill check the sata support tonite.09:54
jussi01Tm_T: why is sata so important?09:54
Tm_TI have bought a SATA disk, and I would rather keep using it for storage, instead of my broken PATA disks09:54
Tm_Tkinda mess, I know09:56
Tm_Tgot some income last time in first days of January09:57
Tm_Tso I'm in kinda trouble now09:57
Tm_Tbut now ->10:00
yao_ziyuanstart a dolphin10:05
yao_ziyuanright-click its window title10:05
yao_ziyuandoes the popup menu have shadow?10:05
yao_ziyuanfor me, most times it doesn't.10:05
RiddellScottK: the qt/phonon circular dependency is pretty ugly indeed10:21
Riddellis can probably be turned off in qt for hppa only comparatavely easy10:21
Riddellinfact just changing the build-dep to have  libphonon-dev [!hppa]  should do it10:23
RiddellI made that up though, probably not valid, probably needs  libphonon-dev [i386 amd64 foo bar]10:24
a|wenapachelogger: hi ... have you had time to have a look at the improved kde-locale patch?11:24
apacheloggerlooks good11:24
apacheloggerI think11:24
apacheloggera|wen: oh, you probably should incorporate agateau's simplified sed regex11:30
a|wenapachelogger: and where is that?11:30
apacheloggermailing list11:31
apacheloggerNightrose: re neon + global shortcuts: global shortcuts are controlled by kded (or rather it's shortcut module), so either amarok-nighlty can't attach to your session's kded, or there is some compability issue making the global shortcuts unusable if $app is compiled against kde 4.3 but run within a <.3 session11:33
Nightroseapachelogger: ah ok11:33
Nightrosedidn't get any updates for neon since over 2 weeks now  :(11:34
apacheloggeryou people decided to split the darn source into 5000 pieces11:34
Riddellwho did?11:35
Nightroseapachelogger: what needs doing to get new amarok and kde packages? maybe i can find someone to do them11:36
apacheloggerpackage the new amarok dependencies11:36
Nightroseand for kde?11:36
apacheloggerdunno what is wrong there11:37
Riddellwhat are the new dependencies?11:37
NightroseRiddell: taglib-extras11:37
apacheloggerNightrose: was turned off11:38
Nightroseand maybe the qtscriptgenerator11:38
Nightroseapachelogger: why? ;-)11:38
apacheloggermaybe for a reason... lets see11:38
apacheloggercheckOut() started with component: kdesupport11:38
RiddellNightrose: taglib-extras is in jaunty, it can probably be backported11:40
Nightroseapachelogger: ^11:40
apacheloggerin this case I need someone to do a neon backport11:40
Nightrosevorian: *poke* ^11:40
apacheloggerit is certainly easier to do than a neon backport muahahaha11:40
NightroseJontheEchidna: *poke* ^11:41
a|wenapachelogger: updated the regex; try to look in the bzr again11:43
* apachelogger notes: vista + toshiba is worthless11:44
apacheloggerthe chance that your disk gets blasted is about 70%11:45
apacheloggera|wen: did you QA that chance?11:45
apachelogger*change even11:45
a|wenapachelogger: it works just as well on all the locales i've tested the other one with11:47
apacheloggerin this case it looks good, I guess11:48
* apachelogger is not very sure these days11:48
a|wenapachelogger: okay ... i'm confident that it works (both with the simplified version and the one before)11:50
* a|wen uploads a new version to k-e11:52
a|wenapachelogger: but i think we want this change in before the RC in any case11:53
reza_hello, can i ask for help about PyKDE4 programming here?11:59
Riddellreza_: sure12:01
reza_ I'm developing an app using PyKDE4, and i want to display notification like what kopete do when user online. I still donot understand about KNotification and notifyrc file. This is my first time using python and kde programming. Hope somebody can show some clues.12:03
quassel208how do you guys exspect to get kubuntu 9.04 stable in less then 20 days? regressions still are there, caused by not listen to kde! and I cant say its stable if i forget about the regressions, yesterday I had a high load when using kopete, but cant tell which process was it really12:04
Riddellreza_: here's a minimal example  http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/notifier/12:04
Riddellreza_: you need to put notifier.notifyrc in /usr/share/kde4/apps/notifier  and killall knotify412:05
quassel208Also I see translation errors in Kubuntu12:05
Riddellquassel208: let us know when you have something specific to report12:06
quassel208Yeah regressions, freezings, high loads, translation that is missing ect ect, but if I bug that you just ingore thoser bugs as normall12:07
Nightrosequassel208: everything you said so far is nothing we can do anything about without knowing what exactly is happening12:08
Nightrosefor example: which language?12:08
reza_Thanks, actually i'm following plasma tutorial, from kde website.12:08
Nightrosewhich program freezes?12:08
quassel208Dutch, kde has it translated12:08
quassel208Lol whole linux freezes12:08
quassel208wait I see the bug report I am active in12:08
jussi01quassel208: what are you doing when it freezes?12:08
Nightrosedo you use the twitter plasmoid?12:08
reza_How to put the notifyrc to correct location at installation time? This is related to plasma packaging right?12:09
quassel208jussi01 using kubuntu to chat and surf, sometimes with firefox, somer people though it was firefox, but I already changed the bug to Linux12:09
quassel208Last time it freezed during watching a movie12:10
jussi01quassel208: being very specific is key in bug reporting. so if its freezing when watching a movie, say so. what kind of movie? flash? or? which program were you watching it with?12:11
quassel208I tested it on ext4 and ext3 and I got to freezes on ext3, so that meant it had nothing to do with ext4, and I gues its the kernel12:11
quassel208avi movie, but I dont think it has anything to do with either vlc or firefox, but the Linux kernel12:12
Riddellreza_: here's an example with CMake http://websvn.kde.org:80/trunk/KDE/kdeutils/printer-applet/CMakeLists.txt?revision=917147&view=markup12:12
Riddellinstall( FILES  notifier.notifyrc DESTINATION ${DATA_INSTALL_DIR}/notifer )12:13
Nightrosequassel208: sounds like a problem the kernel team should look into then12:13
Nightrose(we don't do kernel stuff here)12:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 327509 in linux "Kernel freezing on both ext3 and ext4" [Undecided,Confirmed]12:13
quassel208I edited the title from the bug reporter in hope it would get some attention12:14
reza_Thanks for the help. I will try later at home.12:14
Nightroseabout the translation problems: can you contact the kde translation team about that? it should be fixed there if the wrong translation is there as well12:14
quassel208Nightrose, I bet Kubuntu messes up the translation, as far as I know kde translation is almost perfect, because ive compiled it myself a few times for kde-nightly12:15
Nightrosequassel208: ok then the right team to contact is the dutch translator team in launchpad :)12:15
Riddellquassel208: impossible for us to say unless you tell us where the problem is12:15
quassel208Quassel for example has parts that are not translated12:17
Nightrosequassel has its own tranlsator team12:17
jussi01quassel208: you are welcome to add translation strings for quassel, we could use all the help we can get on that ;)12:18
quassel208If I know how12:18
quassel208Its not like a .srt files where I just translate the text in a text editor12:18
* Nightrose has to leave12:19
Nightrosecya folks12:19
jussi01later Nightrose12:19
quassel208You know whats funny, my girlfriend is without knowing testing Windows 7 :P12:20
jussi01quassel208: #kubuntu-offtopic is for general chatter :)12:20
quassel208But Ive found few bugs, but I gues they are all ready reported12:21
quassel208Because I dont report that much anymore12:21
jussi01quassel208: there is no harm reporting a bug again, it can easily be marked as a dupe, but if you dont report tem, then maybe we miss some12:22
quassel208back, pc freezed, running firefox to, so maby firefox indeed causes it12:26
quassel208can that happen that pc freezes because a application ?12:27
jussi01quassel208: sometimes.12:28
quassel208jussi01 my pc had no freezes from 10 till 13:2812:29
quassel208So it happen unexspected, so busy people who only use pc for few hours maby dont get across the problem12:30
jussi01quassel208: most of us in here are on the PC a lot of the day ;)12:31
quassel208Yes but not all users, I have a girl, but the day she has to work, but the bug I am looking at doesnt have a specfic time it happens, it would now be after 3 hours and 30 min12:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 327509 in linux "Kernel freezing on both ext3 and ext4" [Undecided,Confirmed]12:33
quassel208Big change firefox is  indeed the criminal, I mean I never liked firefox12:34
quassel208But kde warned about qt 4.5 and what did kubuntu do include, so gues why there are regressions?12:37
JontheEchidnaKDE people also did recommend using Qt 4.5, it just depends on who said what12:39
JontheEchidnaone person isn't indicative of all of KDE's wishes12:39
JontheEchidnamost of the issues being seen are due to sucky drivers12:39
quassel208So the regressions here to? Why just dont use drivers from 8.04 ?12:40
JontheEchidnaIt's not as simple as that12:40
quassel208I guesed that, because drivers are in the kernel ?12:41
quassel208And if I use a kernel from 8.04 then i lose ext412:41
apachelogger_smarter: bespin needs a change in package name13:24
smarterapachelogger: right13:29
smarterwill do that for karmic13:30
ScottKRiddell: I'm heading out of town today, so I'm certainly not going to have time to deal with the phonon/qt circular build-dep before I go.13:32
JontheEchidnahow long until final freeze?13:46
apachelogger~google jaunty release schedule14:10
kubotuResults for jaunty release schedule: 1. Jaunty Release Schedule, Plans, KDE 4.2: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3098988.0 | 4. Jaunty Release Schedule Announced « A Conservative Techie: http://jjesse.wordpress.com/2008/11/05/jaunty-release-schedule-announced/ | 5. Ubuntu Jaunty Jackalope Release Schedule: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_Jaunty_Jackalope_Release_Schedule14:10
apacheloggerreally, I would have expected ubuntu wiki14:10
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: april 2314:11
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seeledoes the neon project still get updated? i havent noticed a -nightly update for a while (but i could have also just missed it)14:24
ScottKI've seen their builds go by on the buildd status page, but it may have just been amarok.14:25
Riddellseele: it's in backlog, amarok build-deps have changed and neon hasn't caught up, probably the same for KDE14:33
seeleRiddell: ok thanks14:33
seelei'm just wondering how to get the latest amarok for usability testing next week without having to compile anything14:34
ScottKseele: Just slap apachelogger until he makes it for you.14:35
* seele pokes apachelogger14:35
Riddellhugs may work better :)14:36
JontheEchidnaSo QtCurve just got options to use the KDE button order in firefox dialogs: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/QtCurve+%28KDE4%2C+KDE3%2C+%26+Gtk2+Theme%29?content=4049214:38
JontheEchidnait modifies userChrome.css, so I dunno if we want to compile with that option or not14:38
JontheEchidna(it's off by default)14:39
Riddellwhat's userChrome.css?14:39
JontheEchidnait's a config file in ~/.mozilla14:39
RiddellJontheEchidna: plasma-widget-quickaccess has no Message.sh file14:39
JontheEchidnaRiddell: doh14:39
JontheEchidnaI can fix that14:40
JontheEchidnaI should also get it in a VCS while I'm at it14:40
RiddellJontheEchidna: if it edits userChrome.css will that mess things up when people change back to gnome?14:40
JontheEchidnaThat I do not know. I would be under the opinion that it would probably be something best left for Karmic14:41
JontheEchidnaso that we can test it properly14:41
Riddellyes, let's do that14:42
JontheEchidnabug 356247, if you want to sponsor the kde half (still working on the gtk half)14:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 356247 in kde-style-qtcurve "New upstream bugfix release (QtCurve 0.62.7)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35624714:42
a|wenJontheEchidna: feature freeze is april 9th btw14:46
a|wensry final freeze :)14:46
JontheEchidnaI better get my kdebase-workspace changes in soon, then14:47
a|wenJontheEchidna: did you have a look at the proposed fix for bug 224461 (also kdebase workspace ;) )14:48
ubottuError: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/224461/+text)14:48
JontheEchidnaLP is being slooow14:49
a|wenoh yes ... don't even try to open bugs with too many tasks14:49
JontheEchidnaI haven't had a look at it, no14:49
a|wenJontheEchidna: there is a fix in bzr (that i'm confident with) and uploaded as a test-package to the k-e ppa14:50
JontheEchidnaI'll add my fixes later today and then we can see about getting sponsored14:51
JontheEchidnabe back in half an hour or so14:52
a|wenJontheEchidna: cool14:52
apacheloggersolid predicate is killing me14:53
apacheloggereither that thing is incredibly buggy or incredibly stupid14:53
smarteranyone planning to upload arora 0.6?14:54
smarter(with maybe a patch to make it fallback to qtcurve instead of plastique when oxygen is the default time)14:54
apacheloggerhow about we remove the fallback14:54
apacheloggeran application should have no whatsoever right to use another style than the one I set14:55
smarterwell, arora does look pretty bad in oxygen14:55
Riddellarora looks ok here14:56
smarter"ok", but not really perfect :)14:56
apacheloggerso it should tell me to switch style or offer me a setting to do it for arora-only14:56
smarterthat seems reasonable14:56
apacheloggernot just override my settings for the sake of devs being able to mark a bug as fixed, while it is just overriden14:56
smarterthey do it for KDE 4.2-only afaik14:57
apacheloggerwell, anything < 4.2.60 I'd assume14:57
apacheloggerX-KDE-Solid-Predicate=[[ StorageVolume.ignored == false AND OpticalDisc.discType == 'CdRom' ] OR [ StorageVolume.ignored == false AND OpticalDisc.discType == 'CdRecordable' ] OR [ StorageVolume.ignored == false AND OpticalDisc.discType == 'CdRewritable' ]]14:58
apacheloggerseriously, however wrote the new device notifier thingy that parses that stuff must have been on all sorts of drugs14:58
apacheloggerseele: first someone needs to backport the appropriate deps14:58
apacheloggerNightrose: pling14:59
RiddellJontheEchidna: qtcurve uploaded15:00
a|wenRiddell: fix for bug 353678 is in bzr if you have time to take a look at it some time15:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 353678 in kdebase "Konqueror does not appear as a choice in update-alternatives" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35367815:02
Riddella|wen: excellent15:04
apacheloggera|wen: when using debcommit it will automagically link the branch to this bug for reference15:04
a|wenapachelogger: is debcommit a bzr command?15:04
apacheloggerno, it's a script supporting multiple RCS15:05
apacheloggerhas loads of useful stuff15:05
apacheloggerIMHO debcommit should be the default tool of choice for any commit to our branches15:05
a|wenlooks cool, thx for the hint apachelogger ... never heard of it before though15:06
apacheloggera|wen: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/k3b-cd-copy.desktop and http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/k3b-dvd-copy.desktop15:07
apacheloggerI am rewriting the k3b actions for kde4 right now15:07
apacheloggerneeds testing though15:07
apacheloggerI think the file names should be different15:09
nixternaldo we have a list of "must fix" bugs anywhere?15:09
apacheloggerk3b-copy-cd and k3b-copy-dvd15:09
a|wenapachelogger: cool ... it should offer you to copy a cd/dvd i presume15:10
a|wenapachelogger: do we have actions when popping in an empty cd/dvd?15:11
apacheloggernot yet15:11
apacheloggerworking on it15:11
apacheloggerI am not sure the actual predicate stuff gets exposed properly15:11
apacheloggera|wen: also, please get the Name values from http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/k3b-rip-audiocd.desktop15:11
apacheloggerotherwise the non-translated state would be a regression ;-)15:12
nixternala|wen and apachelogger: any ETA on bug #22446115:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 224461 in kdebase-workspace "Date, Time, Currency ... not in locale format" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22446115:12
a|wenapachelogger: will do15:12
Riddella|wen: alternates change looks good, I'll upload15:13
a|wennixternal: soon ... please give the kdebase-workspace/jaunty in the kubuntu-experimental ppa a test15:13
a|wenRiddell: thx!15:13
a|wennixternal: JontheEchidna had some changes to kdebase-workspace as well; so he would merge in so we could do an upload15:14
nixternalTonio_: any status on bug #31256915:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 312569 in kdesudo "Unable to make any changes in Date / Time kcontrol" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31256915:15
agateauam i the only one to get "no metakit backend" error when starting akregator?15:15
apacheloggera|wen: I am not sure that copy stuff is working in all cases15:16
nixternalnot bad, we only have 2 *critical* bugs right now, and personally, I don't think either qualify as critical anyways15:16
a|wenapachelogger: as long as it doesn't pop up in the wrong cases...15:17
apacheloggernixternal: the first one is the ultimate my-desktop-is-not-localized bug and the second is a jolly good reason to flame kubuntu and their stupid sudo stuff15:18
apachelogger+ the latter is a regression anyway15:18
nixternalapachelogger: actually both are a part of the flame kubuntu stuff :)15:18
nixternali have read so much bullshit the past few days15:19
apacheloggerlatter is more so, as the other bug is really an upstream problem ;-)15:19
apacheloggera|wen: well, it might just not show up in some cases15:19
apacheloggera|wen: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/145450/15:19
nixternal/etc/init.d/hotkey-setup: 47: Syntax error: ";;" unexpected (expecting "fi")15:19
nixternalwtf isn't testing their packages?15:19
apacheloggera|wen: aparently there can be multiple disctypes and contents per disc15:19
ScottKnixternal: My biggest problem is buggy Intel video.  I probably won't keep Jaunty for long.15:20
nixternalScottK: I have Intel and have not experienced any issues with it15:20
apacheloggera|wen: though it also appears that solids is not smart enough that an content == "videodvd" would also apply to "data|videodvd"15:20
a|wenScottK: you're not alone... buggy open source ati drivers as well15:20
nixternalmaybe just some funky rendering in kontact only15:20
ScottKnixternal: Then you're lucky.15:20
Riddellagateau: works for me15:21
nixternalya, I must be, because I keep reading about "buggy intel" in jaunty15:21
a|wenapachelogger: oh my; that does really not sound like fun to work with15:21
ScottKWorks here too.15:21
apacheloggertake a look at the predicate syntax of the dvd copy file15:22
apacheloggera|wen: sensible structure woudl be something like [ ignored == false AND disctype = 'dvdrom|dvdram|dvdrecordable|...'15:22
* JontheEchidna is back15:22
apacheloggerinstead you have to compose a monster line which is super redundant with itself anyway15:23
Tm_Tnixternal: FYI that broken package is maintained by coredevs...15:23
a|wenapachelogger: and you can't switch around the or/and15:23
Tm_Tnixternal: kinda make it more worrysome15:23
agateauRiddell: works fine on a fresh account, must have mixed something in my conf files. Nevermind.15:23
apacheloggera|wen: indeed ... OpticalDisc.availableContent == 'Data|VideoDvd' is true for the paste data, while OpticalDisc.availableContent == 'VideoDvd' is not15:23
nixternalTm_T: definitely15:23
apacheloggera|wen: so either that has to be read as content is data, subtype videodvd, which is not really how it is formatted in the api docs or this is just all screwed up15:24
apacheloggera|wen: no, it only works with [ X AND Y ] OR [ X1 AND Y2] ...15:24
apacheloggeralthough, it improved, first when I created the dragonplayer action it only allowed the above version15:25
apacheloggerand only that15:25
apachelogger2 ands combined by one or15:25
apacheloggerno more no less15:25
a|wenapachelogger: that really sounds like a very stupid construction; and total bloat to need to write it like that15:26
JontheEchidnaRiddell: the gtk half is done, bug 35624715:26
JontheEchidnaon to quickaccess15:26
ubottuError: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/356247/+text)15:26
apacheloggera|wen: thing is, I am not even sure what part of KDE actually uses those files15:26
* a|wen goes hunting for coffee ... back in half an hour or so15:26
apacheloggera|wen: the multiple-options dialog is certainly not created by the device notifier, but still the latter somehow knows how many options there are, so I'd guess on libsolid15:27
apacheloggerthen again solid is usually of higher quality than that ;-)15:27
apacheloggerplasma/dataengines/hotplug/ and solid are working together it seems15:38
apacheloggera|wen: can't make it handle empty cd/dvd properly, I'd at least need to check for ignored? AND blank? AND disctype?15:40
apacheloggerthat crashes plasma/the dataengine/libsolid though15:40
apacheloggerand an "[x and y ] and [x and z]" does not work :S15:41
a|wenapachelogger: sounds like someone really needs to rethink that one for 4.3 ... or at least broaden the options a little15:42
apacheloggerI think it is15:42
apacheloggerAFAIK 4.3 exposes a KCM to easily add/edit those actions15:42
apacheloggerso I would think all cases of composited predicate are supported15:42
apacheloggerotherwise it would be quite weird ;-)15:43
a|wenor just easy to crash your own machine15:43
apacheloggeraye ;-)15:43
apacheloggeranyway, I wanted to do something completely different before I ended up with solid again15:43
apacheloggersomething that actually works :D15:44
apacheloggermake ISOs burnable \o/15:44
apacheloggerwhich btw, gets referenced to in some official how-to-get-kubuntu-on-a-blank-cd-guide15:44
a|wenthe burning part works ... you just need to figure out that you need k3b for it15:46
apacheloggerwell, the how-to tells you to use contextmenu -> actions -> write with k3b15:49
apacheloggerbut not having that option at all in there could be kinda confusing15:49
RiddellJontheEchidna: gtk curve uploaded (you forgot to set the maintainer)15:49
a|wenahh yeah, that option is kind of not there15:50
apacheloggera|wen: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/k3b-rip-videodvd.desktop16:01
apacheloggera|wen: the file manager actions: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/k3b-write-bin-image.desktop http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/k3b-write-iso-image.desktop16:02
apacheloggerthose go to /usr/share/kde4/services/ServiceMenus16:02
a|wenapachelogger: cool ... i'll take a  look at it16:03
* apachelogger moves out for coffee16:06
Riddelljjesse: ?16:08
Riddelljjesse: you know Matthew Helmke ?16:08
nixternalwill someone help me here...that archaelogy blog on the planet, was that an attempt at satire with their latest post? seriously adding a winky doesn't make it satire, and honestly not a post I would really expect from a "corporate blogger"16:11
Riddellnixternal: it's not satire, he's just a twonkle16:18
nixternalRiddell: rofl16:19
nixternalwth is a "twonkle"?16:19
Riddellit's a word made up to describe that sort of blog16:19
Tonio_nixternal: about the kdesudo bug, that's in the pipe...16:21
nixternalTonio_: groovy16:22
Tm_Tgroovy pipes indeed16:22
nixternali don't think you understand the definition of a twonkle :D16:22
jjesseRiddell: sorry was afk, i've heard of matthews name16:22
JontheEchidnaRiddell: bug 35635316:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 356353 in plasma-widget-quickaccess "New upstream bugfix release (0.7.3)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35635316:23
nixternalmatthew has some good blog posts :)16:23
jjesseRiddell: why?16:23
Riddelljjesse: he asked me about kubuntu chapter for the official ubuntu book, aren't you looking after that?16:23
jjesseRiddell: yes i am16:23
JontheEchidnaRiddell: I have confirmed .po generation goodness :)16:23
Tonio_nixternal: I'm just leaving my current job so I'm quite buzy on the other side :)16:23
nixternalsounds not fun16:23
jjesseRiddell: i have all but screenshots done for it and he should be in contact with deb from prentince hall16:24
Tonio_nixternal: that's not leaving me much time right now !16:24
nixternalI totally understand, been there done that16:24
Riddellnixternal: I think I'll e-mail the twonkle16:27
Riddelljjesse: as, he says he sent it to the wrong person16:27
nixternalRiddell: my understanding is the CC might already be on it16:28
jjesseRiddell: i think so16:28
Riddelljjesse: it should be fine to take screenshots from today's desktop CD, I think the only UI bits likely to change is the printer setup in systemsettings16:28
jjesseRiddell: awesome i'll rsync and set it up16:29
nixternaljjesse: how are you still working on the chapter? isn't it frozen? i turned my stuff into deb over a month ago almost16:29
jjessenixternal: umm no idea, i never got any feedback other from DasKreech on thhings and i had stuff that was wrong16:30
jjessenixternal: i have no idea who "reviewed" my chapter as there were errors that i caught so i'm not too confident on things this time around16:31
RiddellJontheEchidna: quickaccess uploaded16:31
nixternali actually did quite a bit of editing for the edubuntu chapter16:31
Tonio_nixternal: not that bad, but I have lots of meetics and discussions about that, to document things I was doing, blabla16:33
Tonio_nixternal: and..... search for new one, hehe :)16:33
nixternalgood luck16:34
Tonio_nixternal: will be okay :)16:35
Quintasanwhen is the deadline for translating docs?16:37
nixternalQuintasan: you still have time :)16:37
nixternalI would go as far as saying in 2 weeks I will pull the plug and do the final docs upload16:38
QuintasanOh, ok16:39
QuintasanI will try to do as much as possible.16:39
nixternaltake your time, but hurry up :p16:40
Quintasanoh god, each template has different translation of the license paragraph @_@17:02
kb9vqfAnyone know about this upgrade error?17:20
kb9vqfTrying to paste didn't work17:21
kb9vqfOk, cool :-)17:21
kb9vqfIncidentally, I'm generating KDE3.5-only LiveCDs....would it be possible to make them semi-official somehow?17:22
nixternalRiddell: ^^17:24
nixternalmy vote is +1 of course17:24
* kb9vqf is having connection trouble, sorry17:26
kb9vqfIf you'd like to take a look I have the i386 beta up at http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/cdimages/17:26
DasKreechkb9vqf: with packages in universe ?17:27
kb9vqfYes...is that a bad idea?17:28
kb9vqfI can see if I can strip some out17:28
* kb9vqf has to go; will be back in a couple of hours17:50
vitalI'm having some problems with the ATI-driver 8.600 for jaunty, kdm locks the computer totally and shows just some graphics on screen, using a ati mobile radeon x1600..  any idea where I can get some information about how to solve my problem?17:53
JontheEchidnaRiddell: bug 35623017:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 356230 in ktorrent "New upstream bugfix release (KTorrent 3.2.1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35623017:56
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jefferaiRiddell: asac hasn't gotten back to me, but a question for you: in previous editions of Ubuntu, /etc/init.d/loopback was apparently responsible for creating /var/run/network18:02
jefferaithis doesn't seem to be the case anymore, as no jaunty box I have access to has that init script18:02
jefferaido you know what should be creating /var/run/network?18:02
a|wenvital: you mean everything is unusually slow?18:11
vitala|wen, no, when I start x with /etc/init.d/kdm start it just open up a screen with graphics garbage, ctrl-alt-f1 -> f5 doesn't work so I have to shut down the computer with the powerbutton..18:12
a|wenvital: using the open source driver or fglrx?18:14
vitala|wen, using fglrx. Could be that it doesn't support my x1600? I find no information about the 8.600 driver18:14
tsimpsonsmoke packaging is a little messed up18:15
a|wenvital: in general we are very limited at fixing anything in fglrx as it is closed source (a magic black box)18:18
a|wenvital: if it works, you are lucky; if not only ati can fix18:18
smarteror a wizard :]18:18
a|wenvital: i would suggest trying with the open source driver ... remember to completely remove+purge fglrx18:19
* a|wen justs restarts his session ... is pretty annoying killing plasma to test something and then not being able to start is again18:22
DasKreechyou can't start plasma?18:23
DasKreechsmarter: kandalf to the rescue?18:24
Nightroseapachelogger: plong18:27
Nightrosesorry was at university18:27
apacheloggerNightrose: were is the qtscriptstuff and taglib-extras maintained in SVN?18:38
Nightroseapachelogger: qtscript isn't in kde svn afaik and taglib-extras is in...18:39
Nightrosegive me a sec18:39
apacheloggerNightrose: well, the stuff amarok needs for qtscript18:39
apacheloggerobviously qtscript is part of qt ;-D18:39
Nightrosetaglib-extras is in kdesupport18:40
DasKreechHow does Kpackagekit order the results?18:40
Nightroseand about that you'd need to ask Ian18:41
apacheloggernah, he's a suse user, I ain't gonna talk to him :P18:43
apacheloggerbut lets see about that taglib stuff18:43
apacheloggersmarter: btw, bespin appears to be quite slow at times, is that a known limitation or something?18:44
apacheloggerNightrose: the good news is, I found it, the bad news is ... well, don't have one yet18:44
apacheloggergimme a minute or two18:44
smarterapachelogger: haven't used it a lot, but I guess the overuse of bling comes at a cost :p18:44
* Nightrose hugs apachelogger18:44
DasKreechapachelogger: You talk to nixternal and he's a windows user18:44
apacheloggerI like the windows18:44
apacheloggerI spent 2 nights trying to fix a horribly broken vista18:45
apacheloggerfinally gave up, there were just too many broken files due to ntfs screwup18:45
DasKreechrm -rf ?18:45
apacheloggersmarter: now, oxygen uses a lota bling as well, doesn't it18:45
apacheloggerDasKreech: the thing is, that laptop shipped without recovery dvd18:45
DasKreechapachelogger: not as much as Gnome-shell :)18:45
DasKreechapachelogger: Nothing a Linux install CD can't solve :)18:46
apachelogger+ the only way to access the recovery snapshot on-disk is through an app that depends on a working windows18:46
apacheloggerDasKreech: I am not sure the owner would be much of a candidate for linux18:46
apacheloggergotta suggest it though18:46
apacheloggerNightrose: by the way, it appears to me kdesupport doesn't build in the kde stack :P18:47
Nightrosemeh meh meh18:47
Tm_Tyou know what? I have half way built KDE without my system to freeze!18:48
apacheloggeris that good or bad news?18:48
DasKreechTm_T: nice18:48
apacheloggerwhy would it freeze anyway?18:48
Tm_Tbroken hardware18:48
DasKreechok how do I remove something with KpackageKit18:48
apacheloggerhardware is always broken18:49
Tm_Tapachelogger: not this badly though18:49
DasKreechI'm really hating the workflow18:49
apacheloggermakes me think I should become hardware dude and make the products usable18:49
a|wenapachelogger: the copy dvd solid .desktop file breaks plasma completely18:51
apacheloggeryeah scratch the copy stuff18:51
apacheloggervideorip should work though18:51
apacheloggercopy is not all that useful anyway ... blank disc would be, but since it is technically impossible in 4.2...18:52
a|weni'll scratch the copy-stuff then :)18:52
apacheloggerNightrose: CMake Error at akonadi/cmake/modules/FindSoprano.cmake:187 (message):18:53
apachelogger  Could not find Soprano includes.18:53
apacheloggercheckOut() started with component: kdesupport18:55
apacheloggercreateTar() started with component: amarok-nightly-kdesupport18:55
apacheloggerpoor server will go down :P18:55
DasKreechapachelogger: hardware will always break18:55
apacheloggerone day .. it will be able to regenerate18:56
DasKreechapachelogger: Just download new silicon ?18:56
DasKreechor make it from liquid metal18:56
DasKreechwith two glowing red lights to show it's on18:56
apacheloggersomething like that18:56
DasKreechand call it skynet18:57
apacheloggereventually you need to feed your hardware18:57
apacheloggerthen again at that point we will have robotic units anyway, so the whole feeding part becomes automated as well18:57
apacheloggerNightrose: what do you think about removing the kde stack from a-n with jaunty?19:02
apacheloggeri.e. did I ever state a reason why we should not do that?19:02
Nightroseapachelogger: removing kde stack meaning?19:02
Nightrosenot providing kde-neon?19:03
apacheloggerdrop amarok-nightly-kde*19:03
* apachelogger is wondering if that would cause problems since kdelibs5 is not patched to use .amarok-nightly19:03
Nightrosetry it (TM)?19:03
apacheloggergood thing we now can have multiple ppas :D19:03
* apachelogger tries to figure out why password neon hat19:04
apachelogger... I am also wondering why I did make it a user and not a team19:04
apacheloggerweird things all over the place19:04
apacheloggerweeh, oxygen is now in kdesupport :S19:04
Tm_Tbeen a long time19:06
* kb9vqf waves hi19:06
a|wenhi Tm_T19:06
Tm_Thi hi19:06
apacheloggerkb9vqf: salut19:06
Tm_TI'm almost saying I fixed my PC19:06
apacheloggerNightrose: does amarok trunk work with kde 4.1?19:08
Nightroseapachelogger: nope - we depend on 4.2 for plasma19:09
DasKreechDoes amarok trunk have podcasting?19:13
Tm_Twhat kind of podcasting you mean?19:14
DasKreechlike .. using a podcast19:14
DasKreechAmraok 2.0.2 ships with podcasts but none of them seem to work19:14
Tm_Tah, listening and retrieving podcasts, hmmmm, have to look when I get to it19:15
DasKreechanyone has Amarok 2.0.2 now?19:16
apacheloggerJontheEchidna, a|wen: once that localization stuff is uploaded to jaunty someone gotta blog about that19:18
apacheloggeror rather everyone does19:18
apacheloggerflame back!19:18
JontheEchidnamm, this is worrisome: bug 35581419:18
ubottuLaunchpad bug 355814 in ubiquity "[Kubuntu 9.04] Many items are in English while language is set to Spanish" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35581419:18
JontheEchidnaeek, bug 355306 too19:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 355306 in ubuntu "German translations missing after upgrade to KDE 4.2.2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35530619:19
DasKreechIf you have amarok 2.0.x look under magnatune in Internet and tell me what you have there19:19
* JontheEchidna starts on his kdebase-workspace changes19:20
apacheloggerletzzzz see19:21
tsimpsonis there a reason kdebindings build-depends on -dbg packages?19:21
apacheloggertsimpson: does the changelog say anything?19:21
apacheloggerdoes the bzr log say anything?19:21
tsimpson"- python-kde4-dbg dep on changed from source:Version to binary:Version to resolve lintian-error"19:22
tsimpsondoesn't say much to me19:22
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: meeeeh19:22
apacheloggerthat does _not_ make sense19:23
apacheloggerlaptop: http://paste.ubuntu.com/145627/19:23
apacheloggerworkstation: http://paste.ubuntu.com/145629/19:24
* jussi01 meeps at apachelogger19:25
a|wenapachelogger: which file is that?19:26
apacheloggermy laptop didn't get an update for a week or so19:26
apacheloggermy guess is that someone broke something19:26
apacheloggera lot19:26
mcascan anyone tell when there will be the next translation sync?19:27
apacheloggermcas: pitti in ubuntu-devel probably will know19:27
mcasthanks apachelogger19:27
a|wenapachelogger: mine has all the translations ... and it has been updated today19:28
apacheloggerthat is seriuosly weird19:28
* a|wen checks for new updates...19:29
apacheloggerhow would I get one without the translations anyway19:29
a|wenapachelogger: which version of konqueror?19:29
apacheloggerdoesn't get any better after apt-get install --reinstall konqueror19:30
apacheloggera|wen: 4:4.2.2-0ubuntu119:30
a|wenapachelogger: i have a local build of the ubuntu2 installed ... hmm19:33
apachelogger./debian/konqueror/usr/share/applications/kde4/konqbrowser.desktop: stripping translations19:37
apacheloggernow, seriously19:37
apacheloggerRiddell: !!!19:37
a|wenapachelogger: go scream! ... upgrading to the one in the archive removes all translations19:38
apacheloggerI need to throw up19:38
apacheloggerthere it goes19:38
a|wenso the buildd's removes all our translations ... lovely19:39
apacheloggersomeone blog: "how ubuntu constantly breakes KDE localization and how apachelogger will soon be switching to another train"19:40
* apachelogger needs a cig19:40
* JontheEchidna facepalms19:42
* a|wen wonders who keeps breaking stuff when final freeze is just round the corner19:44
* DasKreech points at nixternal 19:45
JontheEchidnait sure mangles things alright...19:47
JontheEchidnathe -desktop templates are about the most untranslated part of the KDE-rosetta translations19:48
apacheloggerthey are _not_ imported unless vorian fixed the rules files19:48
apacheloggerwhen I became inactive our l10n packages were still downloading the wrong SVN branch (i.e. KDE 3)19:49
JontheEchidnaI thought you fixed that forever ago19:51
apacheloggernah, I only thought of it after the last released I did, so I told vorian to take care of it, if he gets a chance19:52
apacheloggerback then it was not critical though19:52
apachelogger    # strip translations from .desktop files if they have a gettext domain (since19:53
apachelogger    # inline translations are preferred)19:53
apacheloggera) we make our kde4.mk not add the gettext domain (in case it even does, and we can influcene that at all)19:53
apacheloggerb) hook in before pkgstriptrainslations does and strip the gettext domain19:54
apachelogger  # add translation domain to files \19:59
apachelogger  for file in `cat LIST`; do \19:59
apachelogger    echo X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=desktop_$${KUBUNTU_DESKTOP_POT} >> $${file}; \19:59
apachelogger  done; \19:59
apacheloggerfrom kde4.mk.in19:59
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apacheloggerJontheEchidna: ping20:11
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: pong20:11
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: are you ok if I assigne you to that bug20:11
apachelogger+ which packages should it affect anyway20:11
JontheEchidnacdbs I guess?20:11
JontheEchidnaJust remove the addition of the domain in kde4.mk.in?20:12
apacheloggerthe issue is in kde-l10n-*20:12
apacheloggerthough pkgbinarymangler caused the regression20:12
apacheloggerthough it is most reliably fixable via cdbs20:12
* apachelogger is downloading from kde ftp with 50 kib/s20:13
* apachelogger switches to sftp20:14
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: so what does it affect?20:14
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: also, the ubuntu lang-pack stuff is where the fix comes from, if not the mangler or cdbs get cahnged20:14
JontheEchidnaSo we'll have to at least fix in in cdbs, whine to pitti in pkgmangler, and reupload all the kde-l10n-* right?20:14
apacheloggerI am not sure if the change in cdbs is not causing problems20:15
JontheEchidnaaffects: fucking everything :D20:15
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: can you please talk to pitti20:15
apacheloggerif removing the gettext-domain doesn't have any grave side-effects we should push cdbs20:15
apacheloggerand make the bug affect kde-l10n and lang-pack for the long-term "solution"20:16
apachelogger50 bucks rosetta is going to fuck em up anyway20:16
* apachelogger thinks bespin is memleaking20:21
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: also strings are heavily broken20:25
apacheloggerwhich is probably not desktop file related20:25
* a|wen_ just had a complete kernel freeze to the point where magic sysrq didn't work ... switching vt20:26
apacheloggerwhat the devil20:28
apachelogger-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1,7K 2009-04-06 13:59 systemsettings.mo20:33
apachelogger-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 70K 2009-04-06 14:58 gnome-control-center-2.0.mo20:33
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I don't want anymore20:34
JontheEchidnathis always happens :(20:35
apacheloggerseriously, I am all fed up with that crap20:36
apacheloggerwhat use does all the work have we are putting into Kubuntu if 90% of the world can't even use it20:37
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I think the whole svn stuff should be moved to cdbs20:40
apacheloggerit's 100% generic anyway20:40
JontheEchidnasvn stuff?20:40
apacheloggerif KDE_LANGCODE; svn export20:40
JontheEchidnafrom where?20:41
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/145675/20:41
apacheloggercurrently that stuff resides within every l10n rules20:41
apacheloggerthis is so pissing me off right now20:42
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: though, we execute that before creating the tarball20:43
* apachelogger is failing to understand all that useless work20:44
Quintasanhmm I'm off, good night guys20:49
* a|wen wonders if we got anywhere further regarding the translations20:57
apacheloggeryup, to the point where I wonder whether I should leave the project20:59
* a|wen really don't get what rosetta is good for21:00
apacheloggerbreaking translations, exposing them to poor QA, more breaking....21:01
a|wendoesn't this level of translation look all too familiar21:07
apacheloggerthat is all messed-up why does it show kde3 crap there21:10
a|wenoh, didn't even see that; only all the red lines21:12
a|wensomething is seriously broken21:13
apacheloggerno, no, no, I just can't stand it anymore21:13
apacheloggera|wen: no, they all come from the same source package21:13
apacheloggerobviously enough that rosetta has no clue how to treat that case21:13
apacheloggerwe _have to_ use upstream translations21:14
apacheloggerall unbearable21:14
apacheloggerrosetta missed it's target big time and further more causes most awkward issues which only get fixed after half a year or never21:15
* tsimpson never did quite "get" rosetta21:15
a|wenthen let us override rosetta and use upstream translations21:16
apacheloggerthe mangler makes that quite difficult alright21:16
apachelogger+ kde-l10n-* is in universe21:17
apachelogger+ we need approval from the KC21:17
apacheloggerI will upload fixed kde-l10n packages, but after that I will not do any whatsoever work on anything until someone has a long-term fix for that localization issue21:18
apacheloggerI am not going to waste time on a project I can't even recommend to close friends, because I know that usually there is a major breakage at least twice a year21:19
apacheloggerjust not going to do that any longer to me21:19
a|wensomebody seriously has a problem with regards to translations21:20
a|wenat least it looks to "only" affect .desktop files21:21
apacheloggera|wen: does not21:22
apacheloggersystemsettings on my laptop is with latest packages only speaking english21:22
kb9vqfIs there any way to have apt-get remove any packages not listed in a text file?21:25
kb9vqfI want to clean up a bunch of junk on a new system21:25
a|wenapachelogger: aren't they controlled by some kcm .desktop files21:25
a|wenkb9vqf: not easily ... you probably need some scrip creativity; matching your text-file against the installed packages that dpkg reports and removes the rest21:26
apacheloggera|wen: they?21:27
kb9vqfa|wen: rats...that's what I was afraid of.  Oh well!21:27
a|wenapachelogger: i only have missing translations on the buttons in systemsettings not in the real modules... worse in german?21:27
apacheloggerwell, that should be easy enough21:27
apacheloggera|wen: all english21:28
apacheloggera|wen: you are right21:28
apacheloggerthough country/region&language doesn't follow the setting at all and is talking english21:29
apacheloggerlike completely21:29
apacheloggermaybe a fallback from KDE, in case $user ends up with wrong language :D21:29
apacheloggerthen again, what's the change he will find that kcm and not know the apply button21:30
a|wenthat seems kind of odd, yeah ... so we need someone to fix .desktop files!21:31
JontheEchidnaa|wen: btw, I pushed my -workspace stuff to bzr, testbuilding in my ppa now21:31
a|wenJontheEchidna: cool!21:32
a|wenRiddell: seems somebody specifically broke the .desktop file translations for us ... so you know when you talk to people21:38
ryanakcakb9vqf: Maybe you could mess around with !clone for your script...22:02
ryanakca!close > kb9vqf22:02
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about close22:02
ryanakca!clone > kb9vqf22:02
ubottukb9vqf, please see my private message22:02
a|wengoodnight everyone22:09
* a|wen looks forward to some positive translation news for tomorrow ... crossed fingers22:10
ryanakcaclaydoh: Feel like giving the guy a call again? Should still be at work if he's in Texas...22:14
kb9vqfryanakca: thanks!  I ended up doing it manually with awk, kdiff, and kate, but it is good to know for the future22:17
dtchenheads-up: i've committed the PA-side fixes for bug 35582522:18
ubottuLaunchpad bug 355825 in pulseaudio "Pausing a media will most of the time freezes the software used while using Xine and PulseAudio (default configuration in Kubuntu Jaunty)" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35582522:18
dtcheni will call for testers soon using a (my) PPA build (of PulseAudio)22:19
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tsimpsonsome kdebindings fixes: bug #35660522:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 356605 in kdebindings "libsmoke*-dev have no dependencies and bad symlinks" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35660522:31
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nixternalinteresting, out of the blue I am receiving notices on KDE stuff in openSUSE's build system...anyone else get these too?22:59
daskreechHave you seen the new Suse stuff?22:59
Riddellkb9vqf: we could put a story on the website about 3.5 live CD23:11
daskreechkb9vqf: You are getting the packages on the official repos ?23:14
JontheEchidnakdeplasma-addons for KDE 4.2.2 wasn't ever uploaded to kubuntu-members-kde423:14
tsimpson!info kdeplasma-addons kde4-ppa23:27
ubottukdeplasma-addons (source: kdeplasma-addons): plasmoids for KDE 4 Plasma - main package. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.1.2-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa1 (kde4-ppa), package size 411 kB, installed size 1240 kB23:27
tsimpson!info kdeplasma-addons kde4-ppa-intrepid23:27
ubottuPackage kdeplasma-addons does not exist in kde4-ppa-intrepid23:27
tsimpson!info kdeplasma-addons kubuntu-experimental23:27
ubottukdeplasma-addons (source: kdeplasma-addons): plasmoids for KDE 4 Plasma - main package. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.2.2-0ubuntu1~intrepid3 (kubuntu-experimental), package size 1185 kB, installed size 3632 kB23:27
tsimpsonJontheEchidna: we could just just copy over from -experimental23:28
kb9vqfRidell: sorry I missed you--that would be great!  I could really use some beta testing of that LiveCD23:37
kb9vqfRiddell: That would be great!  I could really use some beta testing of that LiveCD23:37
kb9vqfRiddell: I am having some problems with the amd64 one though, so it may be delayed by a few days23:38
kb9vqfdaskreech: Not sure.  I'm not even sure who to ask about that--any advice would be great.23:42
daskreechhi rickspencer323:48
daskreechkb9vqf: #ubuntu-motu would be a good place to start23:48
daskreechhow are you?23:48
rickspencer3a little edgy with final freeze coming up23:48
kb9vqfdaskreech: OK, will do23:48
Mr_Grieves|Will qt 4.5 be backported to 8.10?23:57
JontheEchidnanope, it would require patching too many things for things to work properly with it23:57
Mr_Grieves|JontheEchidna: Ok. Just wondering. I'll keep looking forward to 9.04, then :)23:58

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