[01:01] <joshjtl> hey folks
[01:01] <joshjtl> can I apply different wallpapers per desktop... kde 4.2.2.
[01:33] <vorian> nixternal: nice dog
[01:33] <vorian> what do they taste like?
[02:07] <ScottK> So now what distro do I run?
[02:07] <vorian> suse
[02:07] <ScottK> Been there.  Done that.  Don't want to do it again.
[02:07] <vorian> fedora?
[02:08] <ScottK> Jaunty is pretty much a fail for me due to Intel suckage.
[02:08] <ScottK> Kubuntu is a bit too cutting edge for me, so definitely not Fedora.
[02:08] <ScottK> KDE 4.2 is going to Debian Unstable tomorrow.
[02:09] <vorian> hmm
[02:09] <ScottK> Which means it ought to be backportable to Lenny within the next several weeks.
[02:10] <JontheEchidna> kde svn 949828
[02:10] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[02:10] <ScottK> Congratulations.
[02:10] <vorian> congrats :)
[02:10] <JontheEchidna> ^_^
[02:11] <ScottK> exa is slow and full of redraw artifacts - basically unusable.
[02:11] <JontheEchidna> I just single-handedly increased the tarball size by 13 MB, dunno how well that will fly with some peeps :P
[02:11] <ScottK> uxa is fast but falls over dies on a regular basis - basically unsuable.
[02:12] <JontheEchidna> vorian: double-wide hi-res wallpapers are probably out the window by default, but I do plan on implementing user-defined wallpapers
[02:12] <ScottK> My intel 4965 wirelss sucked on Intrepid.
[02:12] <EagleScreen> KDE4 or Qt4 graphics are bad on Intel, do you think that UXA will fix this?
[02:13] <ScottK> UXA works great for me, but is crashy.
[02:13] <ScottK> It varies a lot.
[02:13] <ScottK> EagleScreen: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/UxaTesting
[02:13] <neversfelde> ScottK: I read about Chakra on planet.ubuntu, the author was excited
[02:13] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: congrats
[02:14] <ScottK> neversfelde: Yes.  I read that.  I want a distro for both my servers and my desktop though.  I don't want to have to deal with two.
[02:14] <neversfelde> ScottK: mhh, I use ubuntu, even on my server
[02:14] <ScottK> Yes.  Me too.
[02:15] <ScottK> But switching to Chakra is out.
[02:15] <neversfelde> hehe, I will test it in a vm, but I think it is not as good as the blog post suggest
[02:17] <ScottK> That's usually the case.
[02:19]  * neversfelde has to work, 2h of sleep is no enough :(
[02:22] <EagleScreen> I mena fixing this kind of issues: http://imagebin.ca/view/wRBdqW.html
[02:22] <EagleScreen> *mean
[02:23] <EagleScreen> it has nothing to see with composite or kwin effects
[02:23] <EagleScreen> and these kind of graphic issues are not present under Gnome/gtk
[02:25] <ScottK> Dunno.  Mine doesn't look like that.  I'd suggest try it.
[02:33] <kb9vqf> Any ideas why my phosphor xscreensaver eventually turns into a blank black screen after running for a while?
[02:35] <kb9vqf> ^^this is under Intrepid, on multiple video chips
[02:39] <EagleScreen> my Kubuntu 9.04 hangs very often
[02:39] <EagleScreen> i dont know if it is an ext4 problem or X problem
[02:39] <EagleScreen> it just has hanged, and Xorg.0.log.old is empty
[02:46] <jjesse> what version of kde will be shipped in jaunty?
[02:46] <ScottK> jjesse: 4.2.2
[02:46] <ScottK> It's there now.
[02:48] <jjesse> ScottK: thanks
[02:48] <ScottK> YW
[02:57] <joshjtl> hi folks, anyone happen to know if an ubuntu package has been built anywhere for the kde 4 version of konversation svn?
[03:01] <JontheEchidna> joshjtl: there isn't one afaik
[03:01] <EagleScreen> not but is not very diffucult to compile and install it from the svn sources
[03:02] <joshjtl> EagleScreen: i'm trying to find it for svn can you help
[03:03] <EagleScreen> yes, aks for it in #konversation
[03:03] <joshjtl> k
[03:11] <Tscheesy> nixternal : Bug 355975
[03:13] <Tscheesy> kubuntu-docs should be worked all over - it has an old stage of default-apps and procedures
[03:14] <joshjtl> I forgot, can anyone remind me how to checkout something with svn ?
[03:14] <joshjtl> nm got it
[03:37] <jjesse> is ther a reason that we don't add standard applications ot the dictionary?
[03:38] <jjesse> so things like amarok, konqueror, etc don't highlight in firefox, openoffice etc?
[04:41] <ScottK> rgreening: When you added a build-dep on phonon in qt4-x11 4.5~rc1-0ubuntu1 you made a circular build-dep between qt4 and phonon.  We either have to get rid of it or hppa needs manual bootstrapping to build qt4.
[04:41] <ScottK> rgreening: Suggestions?
[04:58] <rgreening> ScottK: which change? I do not believe I added anything for phonon, though Riddell did make some changes
[04:58] <ScottK> * Build with -phonon and -no-phonon-backend
[04:58] <ScottK>    - add rule to remove built phonon and use system phonon
[04:58] <ScottK> * Build with -phonon and -no-phonon-backend
[04:58] <ScottK>    - add rule to remove built phonon and use system phonon
[04:58] <rgreening> ScottK: my build followed debians (from Fabo)
[04:58] <ScottK> But only once.
[04:58] <ScottK> OK, so Riddell added that?
[04:59] <rgreening> Riddell did that
[04:59] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^ is for you then....
[04:59] <rgreening> yep :)
[05:00] <rgreening> I wish we'd use the Qt phonon and be done with it
[05:05]  * ScottK is busy retrying all of KDE on ia64 because slangasek fixed qt4-x11 there.
[06:06]  * nixternal wonders when we will get a python upload that won't break stuff
[06:24] <kady> nixternal: Where is the excitement in that?
[09:37] <Tm_T> anyone willing to buy me a new computer?
[09:38]  * Tm_T is getting frustrated, 3 weeks struggling with broken hardware
[09:49] <jussi01> Tm_T: I have a box you can have if you come to get it. its a bit noisy, only the box, AMD 2600, if it helps.
[09:51] <Tm_T> jussi01: hmmmm, supports 2 GiB ram and SATA disks?
[09:51] <jussi01> Tm_T: 2gb ram yes, not sure about sata. it has 1 gb in it currently
[09:52] <Tm_T> I need SATA support, I afraid
[09:52] <jussi01> Tm_T: you can buy a sata card cheaply ;) but I think it does, just not certain
[09:53] <Tm_T> jussi01: I know, but I have 0-budget, literally
[09:53] <Tm_T> until we get our communitycompany up and running
[09:54] <jussi01> Tm_T: yeah, I know. Ill check the sata support tonite.
[09:54] <jussi01> Tm_T: why is sata so important?
[09:54] <Tm_T> I have bought a SATA disk, and I would rather keep using it for storage, instead of my broken PATA disks
[09:56] <Tm_T> kinda mess, I know
[09:56] <jussi01> heh
[09:57] <Tm_T> got some income last time in first days of January
[09:57] <Tm_T> so I'm in kinda trouble now
[10:00] <Tm_T> but now ->
[10:05] <yao_ziyuan> start a dolphin
[10:05] <yao_ziyuan> right-click its window title
[10:05] <yao_ziyuan> does the popup menu have shadow?
[10:05] <yao_ziyuan> for me, most times it doesn't.
[10:21] <Riddell> ScottK: the qt/phonon circular dependency is pretty ugly indeed
[10:21] <Riddell> is can probably be turned off in qt for hppa only comparatavely easy
[10:23] <Riddell> infact just changing the build-dep to have  libphonon-dev [!hppa]  should do it
[10:24] <Riddell> I made that up though, probably not valid, probably needs  libphonon-dev [i386 amd64 foo bar]
[11:24] <a|wen> apachelogger: hi ... have you had time to have a look at the improved kde-locale patch?
[11:24] <apachelogger> looks good
[11:24] <apachelogger> I think
[11:30] <apachelogger> a|wen: oh, you probably should incorporate agateau's simplified sed regex
[11:30] <a|wen> apachelogger: and where is that?
[11:31] <apachelogger> mailing list
[11:33] <apachelogger> Nightrose: re neon + global shortcuts: global shortcuts are controlled by kded (or rather it's shortcut module), so either amarok-nighlty can't attach to your session's kded, or there is some compability issue making the global shortcuts unusable if $app is compiled against kde 4.3 but run within a <.3 session
[11:33] <Nightrose> apachelogger: ah ok
[11:34] <Nightrose> didn't get any updates for neon since over 2 weeks now  :(
[11:34] <apachelogger> well
[11:34] <apachelogger> you people decided to split the darn source into 5000 pieces
[11:35] <Riddell> who did?
[11:36] <apachelogger> amarok
[11:36] <Nightrose> apachelogger: what needs doing to get new amarok and kde packages? maybe i can find someone to do them
[11:36] <apachelogger> package the new amarok dependencies
[11:36] <Nightrose> and for kde?
[11:37] <apachelogger> dunno what is wrong there
[11:37] <Riddell> what are the new dependencies?
[11:37] <Nightrose> Riddell: taglib-extras
[11:38] <apachelogger> Nightrose: was turned off
[11:38] <Nightrose> and maybe the qtscriptgenerator
[11:38] <Nightrose> apachelogger: why? ;-)
[11:38] <apachelogger> maybe for a reason... lets see
[11:38] <apachelogger> checkOut() started with component: kdesupport
[11:40] <Riddell> Nightrose: taglib-extras is in jaunty, it can probably be backported
[11:40] <Nightrose> apachelogger: ^
[11:40] <apachelogger> in this case I need someone to do a neon backport
[11:40] <Nightrose> vorian: *poke* ^
[11:40] <apachelogger> it is certainly easier to do than a neon backport muahahaha
[11:41] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: *poke* ^
[11:41] <Nightrose> :)
[11:43] <a|wen> apachelogger: updated the regex; try to look in the bzr again
[11:44]  * apachelogger notes: vista + toshiba is worthless
[11:45] <apachelogger> the chance that your disk gets blasted is about 70%
[11:45] <apachelogger> a|wen: did you QA that chance?
[11:45] <apachelogger> *change even
[11:47] <a|wen> apachelogger: it works just as well on all the locales i've tested the other one with
[11:48] <apachelogger> in this case it looks good, I guess
[11:48]  * apachelogger is not very sure these days
[11:50] <a|wen> apachelogger: okay ... i'm confident that it works (both with the simplified version and the one before)
[11:50] <apachelogger> \o/
[11:52]  * a|wen uploads a new version to k-e
[11:53] <a|wen> apachelogger: but i think we want this change in before the RC in any case
[11:59] <reza_> hello, can i ask for help about PyKDE4 programming here?
[12:01] <Riddell> reza_: sure
[12:03] <reza_>  I'm developing an app using PyKDE4, and i want to display notification like what kopete do when user online. I still donot understand about KNotification and notifyrc file. This is my first time using python and kde programming. Hope somebody can show some clues.
[12:04] <quassel208> how do you guys exspect to get kubuntu 9.04 stable in less then 20 days? regressions still are there, caused by not listen to kde! and I cant say its stable if i forget about the regressions, yesterday I had a high load when using kopete, but cant tell which process was it really
[12:04] <Riddell> reza_: here's a minimal example  http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/notifier/
[12:05] <Riddell> reza_: you need to put notifier.notifyrc in /usr/share/kde4/apps/notifier  and killall knotify4
[12:05] <quassel208> Also I see translation errors in Kubuntu
[12:06] <Riddell> quassel208: let us know when you have something specific to report
[12:07] <quassel208> Yeah regressions, freezings, high loads, translation that is missing ect ect, but if I bug that you just ingore thoser bugs as normall
[12:08] <Nightrose> quassel208: everything you said so far is nothing we can do anything about without knowing what exactly is happening
[12:08] <Nightrose> for example: which language?
[12:08] <reza_> Thanks, actually i'm following plasma tutorial, from kde website.
[12:08] <Nightrose> which program freezes?
[12:08] <Nightrose> when?
[12:08] <quassel208> Dutch, kde has it translated
[12:08] <quassel208> Lol whole linux freezes
[12:08] <quassel208> wait I see the bug report I am active in
[12:08] <jussi01> quassel208: what are you doing when it freezes?
[12:08] <Nightrose> do you use the twitter plasmoid?
[12:09] <reza_> How to put the notifyrc to correct location at installation time? This is related to plasma packaging right?
[12:09] <quassel208> jussi01 using kubuntu to chat and surf, sometimes with firefox, somer people though it was firefox, but I already changed the bug to Linux
[12:10] <quassel208> Last time it freezed during watching a movie
[12:11] <jussi01> quassel208: being very specific is key in bug reporting. so if its freezing when watching a movie, say so. what kind of movie? flash? or? which program were you watching it with?
[12:11] <quassel208> I tested it on ext4 and ext3 and I got to freezes on ext3, so that meant it had nothing to do with ext4, and I gues its the kernel
[12:12] <quassel208> avi movie, but I dont think it has anything to do with either vlc or firefox, but the Linux kernel
[12:12] <Riddell> reza_: here's an example with CMake http://websvn.kde.org:80/trunk/KDE/kdeutils/printer-applet/CMakeLists.txt?revision=917147&view=markup
[12:13] <Riddell> install( FILES  notifier.notifyrc DESTINATION ${DATA_INSTALL_DIR}/notifer )
[12:13] <Nightrose> quassel208: sounds like a problem the kernel team should look into then
[12:13] <Nightrose> (we don't do kernel stuff here)
[12:13] <quassel208> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/327509
[12:14] <quassel208> I edited the title from the bug reporter in hope it would get some attention
[12:14] <reza_> Thanks for the help. I will try later at home.
[12:14] <Nightrose> about the translation problems: can you contact the kde translation team about that? it should be fixed there if the wrong translation is there as well
[12:15] <quassel208> Nightrose, I bet Kubuntu messes up the translation, as far as I know kde translation is almost perfect, because ive compiled it myself a few times for kde-nightly
[12:15] <Nightrose> quassel208: ok then the right team to contact is the dutch translator team in launchpad :)
[12:15] <Riddell> quassel208: impossible for us to say unless you tell us where the problem is
[12:17] <quassel208> Quassel for example has parts that are not translated
[12:17] <Nightrose> quassel has its own tranlsator team
[12:18] <quassel208> Ow
[12:18] <jussi01> quassel208: you are welcome to add translation strings for quassel, we could use all the help we can get on that ;)
[12:18] <quassel208> If I know how
[12:18] <quassel208> Its not like a .srt files where I just translate the text in a text editor
[12:19]  * Nightrose has to leave
[12:19] <Nightrose> cya folks
[12:19] <jussi01> later Nightrose
[12:20] <quassel208> You know whats funny, my girlfriend is without knowing testing Windows 7 :P
[12:20] <jussi01> quassel208: #kubuntu-offtopic is for general chatter :)
[12:21] <quassel208> But Ive found few bugs, but I gues they are all ready reported
[12:21] <quassel208> Because I dont report that much anymore
[12:22] <jussi01> quassel208: there is no harm reporting a bug again, it can easily be marked as a dupe, but if you dont report tem, then maybe we miss some
[12:26] <quassel208> back, pc freezed, running firefox to, so maby firefox indeed causes it
[12:27] <quassel208> can that happen that pc freezes because a application ?
[12:28] <jussi01> quassel208: sometimes.
[12:29] <quassel208> jussi01 my pc had no freezes from 10 till 13:28
[12:30] <quassel208> So it happen unexspected, so busy people who only use pc for few hours maby dont get across the problem
[12:31] <jussi01> quassel208: most of us in here are on the PC a lot of the day ;)
[12:32] <quassel208> Yes but not all users, I have a girl, but the day she has to work, but the bug I am looking at doesnt have a specfic time it happens, it would now be after 3 hours and 30 min
[12:33] <quassel208> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/327509
[12:34] <quassel208> Big change firefox is  indeed the criminal, I mean I never liked firefox
[12:37] <quassel208> But kde warned about qt 4.5 and what did kubuntu do include, so gues why there are regressions?
[12:39] <JontheEchidna> KDE people also did recommend using Qt 4.5, it just depends on who said what
[12:39] <JontheEchidna> one person isn't indicative of all of KDE's wishes
[12:39] <JontheEchidna> most of the issues being seen are due to sucky drivers
[12:40] <quassel208> So the regressions here to? Why just dont use drivers from 8.04 ?
[12:40] <JontheEchidna> It's not as simple as that
[12:41] <quassel208> I guesed that, because drivers are in the kernel ?
[12:41] <quassel208> And if I use a kernel from 8.04 then i lose ext4
[13:24] <apachelogger_> smarter: bespin needs a change in package name
[13:29] <smarter> apachelogger: right
[13:30] <smarter> will do that for karmic
[13:32] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm heading out of town today, so I'm certainly not going to have time to deal with the phonon/qt circular build-dep before I go.
[13:46] <JontheEchidna> how long until final freeze?
[14:10] <apachelogger> ~google jaunty release schedule
[14:10] <kubotu> Results for jaunty release schedule: 1. Jaunty Release Schedule, Plans, KDE 4.2: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3098988.0 | 4. Jaunty Release Schedule Announced « A Conservative Techie: http://jjesse.wordpress.com/2008/11/05/jaunty-release-schedule-announced/ | 5. Ubuntu Jaunty Jackalope Release Schedule: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_Jaunty_Jackalope_Release_Schedule
[14:10] <apachelogger> really, I would have expected ubuntu wiki
[14:11] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: april 23
[14:24] <seele> does the neon project still get updated? i havent noticed a -nightly update for a while (but i could have also just missed it)
[14:25] <ScottK> I've seen their builds go by on the buildd status page, but it may have just been amarok.
[14:27] <seele> hmm
[14:33] <Riddell> seele: it's in backlog, amarok build-deps have changed and neon hasn't caught up, probably the same for KDE
[14:33] <seele> Riddell: ok thanks
[14:34] <seele> i'm just wondering how to get the latest amarok for usability testing next week without having to compile anything
[14:35] <ScottK> seele: Just slap apachelogger until he makes it for you.
[14:35]  * seele pokes apachelogger
[14:36] <Riddell> hugs may work better :)
[14:38] <JontheEchidna> So QtCurve just got options to use the KDE button order in firefox dialogs: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/QtCurve+%28KDE4%2C+KDE3%2C+%26+Gtk2+Theme%29?content=40492
[14:38] <JontheEchidna> it modifies userChrome.css, so I dunno if we want to compile with that option or not
[14:39] <JontheEchidna> (it's off by default)
[14:39] <Riddell> what's userChrome.css?
[14:39] <JontheEchidna> it's a config file in ~/.mozilla
[14:39] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: plasma-widget-quickaccess has no Message.sh file
[14:39] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: doh
[14:40] <JontheEchidna> I can fix that
[14:40] <JontheEchidna> I should also get it in a VCS while I'm at it
[14:40] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: if it edits userChrome.css will that mess things up when people change back to gnome?
[14:41] <JontheEchidna> That I do not know. I would be under the opinion that it would probably be something best left for Karmic
[14:41] <JontheEchidna> so that we can test it properly
[14:42] <Riddell> yes, let's do that
[14:42] <JontheEchidna> bug 356247, if you want to sponsor the kde half (still working on the gtk half)
[14:46] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: feature freeze is april 9th btw
[14:46] <a|wen> sry final freeze :)
[14:46] <JontheEchidna> thx
[14:47] <JontheEchidna> I better get my kdebase-workspace changes in soon, then
[14:48] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: did you have a look at the proposed fix for bug 224461 (also kdebase workspace ;) )
[14:49] <JontheEchidna> LP is being slooow
[14:49] <a|wen> oh yes ... don't even try to open bugs with too many tasks
[14:49] <JontheEchidna> I haven't had a look at it, no
[14:50] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: there is a fix in bzr (that i'm confident with) and uploaded as a test-package to the k-e ppa
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> cool
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> I'll add my fixes later today and then we can see about getting sponsored
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> be back in half an hour or so
[14:52] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: cool
[14:53] <apachelogger> solid predicate is killing me
[14:53] <apachelogger> either that thing is incredibly buggy or incredibly stupid
[14:54] <smarter> anyone planning to upload arora 0.6?
[14:54] <smarter> (with maybe a patch to make it fallback to qtcurve instead of plastique when oxygen is the default time)
[14:54] <apachelogger> how about we remove the fallback
[14:55] <apachelogger> an application should have no whatsoever right to use another style than the one I set
[14:55] <smarter> well, arora does look pretty bad in oxygen
[14:56] <Riddell> arora looks ok here
[14:56] <smarter> "ok", but not really perfect :)
[14:56] <apachelogger> so it should tell me to switch style or offer me a setting to do it for arora-only
[14:56] <smarter> that seems reasonable
[14:56] <apachelogger> not just override my settings for the sake of devs being able to mark a bug as fixed, while it is just overriden
[14:57] <smarter> they do it for KDE 4.2-only afaik
[14:57] <apachelogger> well, anything < 4.2.60 I'd assume
[14:58] <apachelogger> X-KDE-Solid-Predicate=[[ StorageVolume.ignored == false AND OpticalDisc.discType == 'CdRom' ] OR [ StorageVolume.ignored == false AND OpticalDisc.discType == 'CdRecordable' ] OR [ StorageVolume.ignored == false AND OpticalDisc.discType == 'CdRewritable' ]]
[14:58] <apachelogger> seriously, however wrote the new device notifier thingy that parses that stuff must have been on all sorts of drugs
[14:58] <apachelogger> seele: first someone needs to backport the appropriate deps
[14:59] <apachelogger> though
[14:59] <apachelogger> actually
[14:59] <apachelogger> Nightrose: pling
[15:00] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: qtcurve uploaded
[15:02] <a|wen> Riddell: fix for bug 353678 is in bzr if you have time to take a look at it some time
[15:04] <Riddell> a|wen: excellent
[15:04] <apachelogger> a|wen: when using debcommit it will automagically link the branch to this bug for reference
[15:04] <a|wen> apachelogger: is debcommit a bzr command?
[15:05] <apachelogger> no, it's a script supporting multiple RCS
[15:05] <apachelogger> has loads of useful stuff
[15:05] <apachelogger> IMHO debcommit should be the default tool of choice for any commit to our branches
[15:05] <Riddell> i-don't-care-what-revision-control-system-this-is-just-do-the-right-thing
[15:06] <a|wen> looks cool, thx for the hint apachelogger ... never heard of it before though
[15:07] <apachelogger> a|wen: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/k3b-cd-copy.desktop and http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/k3b-dvd-copy.desktop
[15:07] <apachelogger> I am rewriting the k3b actions for kde4 right now
[15:07] <apachelogger> needs testing though
[15:08] <apachelogger> hm
[15:09] <apachelogger> I think the file names should be different
[15:09] <nixternal> do we have a list of "must fix" bugs anywhere?
[15:09] <apachelogger> k3b-copy-cd and k3b-copy-dvd
[15:10] <a|wen> apachelogger: cool ... it should offer you to copy a cd/dvd i presume
[15:11] <apachelogger> aye
[15:11] <a|wen> apachelogger: do we have actions when popping in an empty cd/dvd?
[15:11] <apachelogger> not yet
[15:11] <apachelogger> working on it
[15:11] <apachelogger> I am not sure the actual predicate stuff gets exposed properly
[15:11] <apachelogger> a|wen: also, please get the Name values from http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/k3b-rip-audiocd.desktop
[15:12] <apachelogger> otherwise the non-translated state would be a regression ;-)
[15:12] <nixternal> a|wen and apachelogger: any ETA on bug #224461
[15:12] <a|wen> apachelogger: will do
[15:13] <Riddell> a|wen: alternates change looks good, I'll upload
[15:13] <a|wen> nixternal: soon ... please give the kdebase-workspace/jaunty in the kubuntu-experimental ppa a test
[15:13] <a|wen> Riddell: thx!
[15:14] <a|wen> nixternal: JontheEchidna had some changes to kdebase-workspace as well; so he would merge in so we could do an upload
[15:15] <nixternal> Tonio_: any status on bug #312569
[15:15] <agateau> am i the only one to get "no metakit backend" error when starting akregator?
[15:16] <apachelogger> hm
[15:16] <apachelogger> a|wen: I am not sure that copy stuff is working in all cases
[15:16] <nixternal> not bad, we only have 2 *critical* bugs right now, and personally, I don't think either qualify as critical anyways
[15:17] <a|wen> apachelogger: as long as it doesn't pop up in the wrong cases...
[15:18] <apachelogger> nixternal: the first one is the ultimate my-desktop-is-not-localized bug and the second is a jolly good reason to flame kubuntu and their stupid sudo stuff
[15:18] <apachelogger> + the latter is a regression anyway
[15:18] <nixternal> apachelogger: actually both are a part of the flame kubuntu stuff :)
[15:19] <nixternal> i have read so much bullshit the past few days
[15:19] <apachelogger> latter is more so, as the other bug is really an upstream problem ;-)
[15:19] <apachelogger> a|wen: well, it might just not show up in some cases
[15:19] <apachelogger> a|wen: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/145450/
[15:19] <nixternal> /etc/init.d/hotkey-setup: 47: Syntax error: ";;" unexpected (expecting "fi")
[15:19] <nixternal> wtf isn't testing their packages?
[15:19] <Tm_T> jep
[15:19] <apachelogger> a|wen: aparently there can be multiple disctypes and contents per disc
[15:20] <ScottK> nixternal: My biggest problem is buggy Intel video.  I probably won't keep Jaunty for long.
[15:20] <nixternal> ScottK: I have Intel and have not experienced any issues with it
[15:20] <apachelogger> a|wen: though it also appears that solids is not smart enough that an content == "videodvd" would also apply to "data|videodvd"
[15:20] <a|wen> ScottK: you're not alone... buggy open source ati drivers as well
[15:20] <nixternal> maybe just some funky rendering in kontact only
[15:20] <ScottK> nixternal: Then you're lucky.
[15:21] <Riddell> agateau: works for me
[15:21] <nixternal> ya, I must be, because I keep reading about "buggy intel" in jaunty
[15:21] <a|wen> apachelogger: oh my; that does really not sound like fun to work with
[15:21] <ScottK> Works here too.
[15:22] <apachelogger> take a look at the predicate syntax of the dvd copy file
[15:22] <apachelogger> a|wen: sensible structure woudl be something like [ ignored == false AND disctype = 'dvdrom|dvdram|dvdrecordable|...'
[15:22]  * JontheEchidna is back
[15:23] <apachelogger> instead you have to compose a monster line which is super redundant with itself anyway
[15:23] <apachelogger> meh
[15:23] <Tm_T> nixternal: FYI that broken package is maintained by coredevs...
[15:23] <a|wen> apachelogger: and you can't switch around the or/and
[15:23] <Tm_T> nixternal: kinda make it more worrysome
[15:23] <agateau> Riddell: works fine on a fresh account, must have mixed something in my conf files. Nevermind.
[15:23] <apachelogger> a|wen: indeed ... OpticalDisc.availableContent == 'Data|VideoDvd' is true for the paste data, while OpticalDisc.availableContent == 'VideoDvd' is not
[15:23] <nixternal> Tm_T: definitely
[15:24] <apachelogger> a|wen: so either that has to be read as content is data, subtype videodvd, which is not really how it is formatted in the api docs or this is just all screwed up
[15:24] <apachelogger> a|wen: no, it only works with [ X AND Y ] OR [ X1 AND Y2] ...
[15:25] <apachelogger> although, it improved, first when I created the dragonplayer action it only allowed the above version
[15:25] <apachelogger> and only that
[15:25] <apachelogger> 2 ands combined by one or
[15:25] <apachelogger> no more no less
[15:26] <a|wen> apachelogger: that really sounds like a very stupid construction; and total bloat to need to write it like that
[15:26] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: the gtk half is done, bug 356247
[15:26] <JontheEchidna> on to quickaccess
[15:26] <apachelogger> a|wen: thing is, I am not even sure what part of KDE actually uses those files
[15:26]  * a|wen goes hunting for coffee ... back in half an hour or so
[15:27] <apachelogger> a|wen: the multiple-options dialog is certainly not created by the device notifier, but still the latter somehow knows how many options there are, so I'd guess on libsolid
[15:27] <apachelogger> then again solid is usually of higher quality than that ;-)
[15:38] <apachelogger> plasma/dataengines/hotplug/ and solid are working together it seems
[15:39] <apachelogger> bleh
[15:40] <apachelogger> a|wen: can't make it handle empty cd/dvd properly, I'd at least need to check for ignored? AND blank? AND disctype?
[15:40] <apachelogger> that crashes plasma/the dataengine/libsolid though
[15:41] <apachelogger> and an "[x and y ] and [x and z]" does not work :S
[15:42] <a|wen> apachelogger: sounds like someone really needs to rethink that one for 4.3 ... or at least broaden the options a little
[15:42] <apachelogger> I think it is
[15:42] <apachelogger> AFAIK 4.3 exposes a KCM to easily add/edit those actions
[15:42] <a|wen> :)
[15:42] <apachelogger> so I would think all cases of composited predicate are supported
[15:43] <apachelogger> otherwise it would be quite weird ;-)
[15:43] <a|wen> or just easy to crash your own machine
[15:43] <apachelogger> aye ;-)
[15:43] <apachelogger> anyway, I wanted to do something completely different before I ended up with solid again
[15:44] <apachelogger> something that actually works :D
[15:44] <apachelogger> make ISOs burnable \o/
[15:44] <apachelogger> which btw, gets referenced to in some official how-to-get-kubuntu-on-a-blank-cd-guide
[15:46] <a|wen> the burning part works ... you just need to figure out that you need k3b for it
[15:49] <apachelogger> well, the how-to tells you to use contextmenu -> actions -> write with k3b
[15:49] <apachelogger> but not having that option at all in there could be kinda confusing
[15:49] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: gtk curve uploaded (you forgot to set the maintainer)
[15:50] <a|wen> ahh yeah, that option is kind of not there
[16:01] <apachelogger> a|wen: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/k3b-rip-videodvd.desktop
[16:02] <apachelogger> a|wen: the file manager actions: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/k3b-write-bin-image.desktop http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/k3b-write-iso-image.desktop
[16:02] <apachelogger> those go to /usr/share/kde4/services/ServiceMenus
[16:03] <a|wen> apachelogger: cool ... i'll take a  look at it
[16:06]  * apachelogger moves out for coffee
[16:08] <Riddell> jjesse: ?
[16:08] <Riddell> jjesse: you know Matthew Helmke ?
[16:11] <nixternal> will someone help me here...that archaelogy blog on the planet, was that an attempt at satire with their latest post? seriously adding a winky doesn't make it satire, and honestly not a post I would really expect from a "corporate blogger"
[16:18] <Riddell> nixternal: it's not satire, he's just a twonkle
[16:19] <nixternal> Riddell: rofl
[16:19] <nixternal> wth is a "twonkle"?
[16:19] <Riddell> it's a word made up to describe that sort of blog
[16:21] <Tonio_> nixternal: about the kdesudo bug, that's in the pipe...
[16:22] <nixternal> Tonio_: groovy
[16:22] <Tm_T> groovy pipes indeed
[16:22] <nixternal> i don't think you understand the definition of a twonkle :D
[16:22] <nixternal> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=twonkle
[16:22] <jjesse> Riddell: sorry was afk, i've heard of matthews name
[16:23] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: bug 356353
[16:23] <nixternal> matthew has some good blog posts :)
[16:23] <jjesse> Riddell: why?
[16:23] <Riddell> jjesse: he asked me about kubuntu chapter for the official ubuntu book, aren't you looking after that?
[16:23] <jjesse> Riddell: yes i am
[16:23] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I have confirmed .po generation goodness :)
[16:23] <Tonio_> nixternal: I'm just leaving my current job so I'm quite buzy on the other side :)
[16:23] <nixternal> sounds not fun
[16:24] <jjesse> Riddell: i have all but screenshots done for it and he should be in contact with deb from prentince hall
[16:24] <Tonio_> nixternal: that's not leaving me much time right now !
[16:24] <nixternal> I totally understand, been there done that
[16:27] <Riddell> nixternal: I think I'll e-mail the twonkle
[16:27] <Riddell> jjesse: as, he says he sent it to the wrong person
[16:28] <nixternal> Riddell: my understanding is the CC might already be on it
[16:28] <jjesse> Riddell: i think so
[16:28] <Riddell> jjesse: it should be fine to take screenshots from today's desktop CD, I think the only UI bits likely to change is the printer setup in systemsettings
[16:29] <jjesse> Riddell: awesome i'll rsync and set it up
[16:29] <Quintasan> Hi
[16:29] <nixternal> jjesse: how are you still working on the chapter? isn't it frozen? i turned my stuff into deb over a month ago almost
[16:30] <jjesse> nixternal: umm no idea, i never got any feedback other from DasKreech on thhings and i had stuff that was wrong
[16:31] <jjesse> nixternal: i have no idea who "reviewed" my chapter as there were errors that i caught so i'm not too confident on things this time around
[16:31] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: quickaccess uploaded
[16:31] <nixternal> i actually did quite a bit of editing for the edubuntu chapter
[16:33] <Tonio_> nixternal: not that bad, but I have lots of meetics and discussions about that, to document things I was doing, blabla
[16:33] <Tonio_> nixternal: and..... search for new one, hehe :)
[16:34] <nixternal> good luck
[16:35] <Tonio_> nixternal: will be okay :)
[16:37] <Quintasan> when is the deadline for translating docs?
[16:37] <nixternal> Quintasan: you still have time :)
[16:38] <nixternal> I would go as far as saying in 2 weeks I will pull the plug and do the final docs upload
[16:39] <Quintasan> Oh, ok
[16:39] <Quintasan> I will try to do as much as possible.
[16:40] <nixternal> take your time, but hurry up :p
[16:40] <nixternal> haha
[17:02] <Quintasan> oh god, each template has different translation of the license paragraph @_@
[17:20] <kb9vqf> Anyone know about this upgrade error?
[17:21] <nixternal> hotkeys?
[17:21] <kb9vqf> Yup
[17:21] <kb9vqf> Trying to paste didn't work
[17:21] <nixternal> ya
[17:21] <kb9vqf> Ok, cool :-)
[17:22] <kb9vqf> Incidentally, I'm generating KDE3.5-only LiveCDs....would it be possible to make them semi-official somehow?
[17:24] <nixternal> Riddell: ^^
[17:24] <nixternal> my vote is +1 of course
[17:26]  * kb9vqf is having connection trouble, sorry
[17:26] <kb9vqf> If you'd like to take a look I have the i386 beta up at http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/cdimages/
[17:27] <DasKreech> kb9vqf: with packages in universe ?
[17:28] <kb9vqf> Yes...is that a bad idea?
[17:28] <kb9vqf> I can see if I can strip some out
[17:50]  * kb9vqf has to go; will be back in a couple of hours
[17:53] <vital> I'm having some problems with the ATI-driver 8.600 for jaunty, kdm locks the computer totally and shows just some graphics on screen, using a ati mobile radeon x1600..  any idea where I can get some information about how to solve my problem?
[17:56] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: bug 356230
[18:02] <jefferai> Riddell: asac hasn't gotten back to me, but a question for you: in previous editions of Ubuntu, /etc/init.d/loopback was apparently responsible for creating /var/run/network
[18:02] <jefferai> this doesn't seem to be the case anymore, as no jaunty box I have access to has that init script
[18:02] <jefferai> do you know what should be creating /var/run/network?
[18:11] <a|wen> vital: you mean everything is unusually slow?
[18:12] <vital> a|wen, no, when I start x with /etc/init.d/kdm start it just open up a screen with graphics garbage, ctrl-alt-f1 -> f5 doesn't work so I have to shut down the computer with the powerbutton..
[18:14] <a|wen> vital: using the open source driver or fglrx?
[18:14] <vital> a|wen, using fglrx. Could be that it doesn't support my x1600? I find no information about the 8.600 driver
[18:15] <tsimpson> smoke packaging is a little messed up
[18:18] <a|wen> vital: in general we are very limited at fixing anything in fglrx as it is closed source (a magic black box)
[18:18] <a|wen> vital: if it works, you are lucky; if not only ati can fix
[18:18] <smarter> or a wizard :]
[18:19] <a|wen> vital: i would suggest trying with the open source driver ... remember to completely remove+purge fglrx
[18:22]  * a|wen justs restarts his session ... is pretty annoying killing plasma to test something and then not being able to start is again
[18:23] <DasKreech> you can't start plasma?
[18:24] <DasKreech> smarter: kandalf to the rescue?
[18:24] <smarter> :)
[18:27] <Nightrose> apachelogger: plong
[18:27] <Nightrose> sorry was at university
[18:38] <apachelogger> Nightrose: were is the qtscriptstuff and taglib-extras maintained in SVN?
[18:39] <Nightrose> apachelogger: qtscript isn't in kde svn afaik and taglib-extras is in...
[18:39] <Nightrose> give me a sec
[18:39] <apachelogger> Nightrose: well, the stuff amarok needs for qtscript
[18:39] <apachelogger> obviously qtscript is part of qt ;-D
[18:40] <Nightrose> taglib-extras is in kdesupport
[18:40] <DasKreech> How does Kpackagekit order the results?
[18:41] <Nightrose> and about that you'd need to ask Ian
[18:43] <apachelogger> nah, he's a suse user, I ain't gonna talk to him :P
[18:43] <apachelogger> but lets see about that taglib stuff
[18:44] <apachelogger> smarter: btw, bespin appears to be quite slow at times, is that a known limitation or something?
[18:44] <apachelogger> aha!
[18:44] <apachelogger> Nightrose: the good news is, I found it, the bad news is ... well, don't have one yet
[18:44] <apachelogger> gimme a minute or two
[18:44] <smarter> apachelogger: haven't used it a lot, but I guess the overuse of bling comes at a cost :p
[18:44] <Nightrose> haha
[18:44]  * Nightrose hugs apachelogger
[18:44] <DasKreech> apachelogger: You talk to nixternal and he's a windows user
[18:44] <apachelogger> I like the windows
[18:45] <apachelogger> I spent 2 nights trying to fix a horribly broken vista
[18:45] <apachelogger> finally gave up, there were just too many broken files due to ntfs screwup
[18:45] <DasKreech> rm -rf ?
[18:45] <apachelogger> smarter: now, oxygen uses a lota bling as well, doesn't it
[18:45] <apachelogger> DasKreech: the thing is, that laptop shipped without recovery dvd
[18:45] <DasKreech> apachelogger: not as much as Gnome-shell :)
[18:46] <DasKreech> apachelogger: Nothing a Linux install CD can't solve :)
[18:46] <apachelogger> + the only way to access the recovery snapshot on-disk is through an app that depends on a working windows
[18:46] <apachelogger> DasKreech: I am not sure the owner would be much of a candidate for linux
[18:46] <apachelogger> gotta suggest it though
[18:47] <apachelogger> oh
[18:47] <apachelogger> Nightrose: by the way, it appears to me kdesupport doesn't build in the kde stack :P
[18:47] <Nightrose> meh
[18:47] <Nightrose> meh meh meh
[18:48] <Tm_T> you know what? I have half way built KDE without my system to freeze!
[18:48] <apachelogger> is that good or bad news?
[18:48] <DasKreech> Tm_T: nice
[18:48] <apachelogger> why would it freeze anyway?
[18:48] <Tm_T> broken hardware
[18:48] <apachelogger> \o/
[18:48] <DasKreech> ok how do I remove something with KpackageKit
[18:49] <apachelogger> hardware is always broken
[18:49] <Tm_T> apachelogger: not this badly though
[18:49] <DasKreech> I'm really hating the workflow
[18:49] <apachelogger> makes me think I should become hardware dude and make the products usable
[18:51] <a|wen> apachelogger: the copy dvd solid .desktop file breaks plasma completely
[18:51] <apachelogger> yeah scratch the copy stuff
[18:51] <apachelogger> videorip should work though
[18:52] <apachelogger> copy is not all that useful anyway ... blank disc would be, but since it is technically impossible in 4.2...
[18:52] <a|wen> i'll scratch the copy-stuff then :)
[18:53] <apachelogger> Nightrose: CMake Error at akonadi/cmake/modules/FindSoprano.cmake:187 (message):
[18:53] <apachelogger>   Could not find Soprano includes.
[18:54] <Nightrose> :(
[18:55] <apachelogger> checkOut() started with component: kdesupport
[18:55] <apachelogger> and
[18:55] <apachelogger> createTar() started with component: amarok-nightly-kdesupport
[18:55] <apachelogger> poor server will go down :P
[18:55] <DasKreech> apachelogger: hardware will always break
[18:56] <apachelogger> one day .. it will be able to regenerate
[18:56] <DasKreech> apachelogger: Just download new silicon ?
[18:56] <DasKreech> or make it from liquid metal
[18:56] <DasKreech> with two glowing red lights to show it's on
[18:56] <apachelogger> something like that
[18:57] <DasKreech> and call it skynet
[18:57] <apachelogger> eventually you need to feed your hardware
[18:57] <apachelogger> then again at that point we will have robotic units anyway, so the whole feeding part becomes automated as well
[19:02] <apachelogger> Nightrose: what do you think about removing the kde stack from a-n with jaunty?
[19:02] <apachelogger> i.e. did I ever state a reason why we should not do that?
[19:02] <Nightrose> apachelogger: removing kde stack meaning?
[19:03] <Nightrose> not providing kde-neon?
[19:03] <apachelogger> drop amarok-nightly-kde*
[19:03]  * apachelogger is wondering if that would cause problems since kdelibs5 is not patched to use .amarok-nightly
[19:03] <Nightrose> hmmm
[19:03] <Nightrose> try it (TM)?
[19:03] <Nightrose> ;-)
[19:03] <apachelogger> good thing we now can have multiple ppas :D
[19:04]  * apachelogger tries to figure out why password neon hat
[19:04] <apachelogger> *had
[19:04] <apachelogger> ... I am also wondering why I did make it a user and not a team
[19:04] <apachelogger> weird things all over the place
[19:04] <apachelogger> weeh, oxygen is now in kdesupport :S
[19:06] <Tm_T> aye
[19:06] <Tm_T> been a long time
[19:06]  * kb9vqf waves hi
[19:06] <a|wen> hi Tm_T
[19:06] <Tm_T> hi hi
[19:06] <apachelogger> kb9vqf: salut
[19:06] <Tm_T> I'm almost saying I fixed my PC
[19:08] <apachelogger> Nightrose: does amarok trunk work with kde 4.1?
[19:09] <Nightrose> apachelogger: nope - we depend on 4.2 for plasma
[19:09] <apachelogger> meh
[19:13] <DasKreech> Does amarok trunk have podcasting?
[19:14] <Tm_T> what kind of podcasting you mean?
[19:14] <DasKreech> like .. using a podcast
[19:14] <DasKreech> Amraok 2.0.2 ships with podcasts but none of them seem to work
[19:15] <Tm_T> ah, listening and retrieving podcasts, hmmmm, have to look when I get to it
[19:16] <DasKreech> anyone has Amarok 2.0.2 now?
[19:18] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, a|wen: once that localization stuff is uploaded to jaunty someone gotta blog about that
[19:18] <apachelogger> or rather everyone does
[19:18] <apachelogger> flame back!
[19:18] <JontheEchidna> mm, this is worrisome: bug 355814
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> eek, bug 355306 too
[19:19] <DasKreech> If you have amarok 2.0.x look under magnatune in Internet and tell me what you have there
[19:20]  * JontheEchidna starts on his kdebase-workspace changes
[19:21] <apachelogger> letzzzz see
[19:21] <tsimpson> is there a reason kdebindings build-depends on -dbg packages?
[19:21] <apachelogger> tsimpson: does the changelog say anything?
[19:21] <apachelogger> does the bzr log say anything?
[19:22] <tsimpson> "- python-kde4-dbg dep on changed from source:Version to binary:Version to resolve lintian-error"
[19:22] <tsimpson> doesn't say much to me
[19:22] <apachelogger> Oo
[19:22] <apachelogger> uh
[19:22] <apachelogger> ah
[19:22] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: meeeeh
[19:23] <apachelogger> that does _not_ make sense
[19:23] <apachelogger> laptop: http://paste.ubuntu.com/145627/
[19:24] <apachelogger> workstation: http://paste.ubuntu.com/145629/
[19:25]  * jussi01 meeps at apachelogger
[19:26] <a|wen> apachelogger: which file is that?
[19:26] <apachelogger> konqbrowser
[19:26] <apachelogger> my laptop didn't get an update for a week or so
[19:26] <apachelogger> my guess is that someone broke something
[19:26] <apachelogger> a lot
[19:27] <mcas> can anyone tell when there will be the next translation sync?
[19:27] <apachelogger> mcas: pitti in ubuntu-devel probably will know
[19:27] <mcas> thanks apachelogger
[19:28] <a|wen> apachelogger: mine has all the translations ... and it has been updated today
[19:28] <apachelogger> ok
[19:28] <apachelogger> that is seriuosly weird
[19:29]  * a|wen checks for new updates...
[19:29] <apachelogger> how would I get one without the translations anyway
[19:29] <a|wen> apachelogger: which version of konqueror?
[19:30] <apachelogger> doesn't get any better after apt-get install --reinstall konqueror
[19:30] <apachelogger> a|wen: 4:4.2.2-0ubuntu1
[19:33] <a|wen> apachelogger: i have a local build of the ubuntu2 installed ... hmm
[19:37] <apachelogger> ./debian/konqueror/usr/share/applications/kde4/konqbrowser.desktop: stripping translations
[19:37] <apachelogger> ok
[19:37] <apachelogger> now, seriously
[19:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: !!!
[19:38] <a|wen> apachelogger: go scream! ... upgrading to the one in the archive removes all translations
[19:38] <apachelogger> oh
[19:38] <apachelogger> I need to throw up
[19:38] <apachelogger> there it goes
[19:38] <apachelogger> \o/
[19:39] <a|wen> so the buildd's removes all our translations ... lovely
[19:40] <apachelogger> someone blog: "how ubuntu constantly breakes KDE localization and how apachelogger will soon be switching to another train"
[19:40]  * apachelogger needs a cig
[19:42]  * JontheEchidna facepalms
[19:44]  * a|wen wonders who keeps breaking stuff when final freeze is just round the corner
[19:45]  * DasKreech points at nixternal 
[19:46] <apachelogger> pitti
[19:46] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pkgbinarymangler
[19:47] <JontheEchidna> it sure mangles things alright...
[19:48] <JontheEchidna> the -desktop templates are about the most untranslated part of the KDE-rosetta translations
[19:48] <apachelogger> they are _not_ imported unless vorian fixed the rules files
[19:49] <apachelogger> when I became inactive our l10n packages were still downloading the wrong SVN branch (i.e. KDE 3)
[19:51] <JontheEchidna> I thought you fixed that forever ago
[19:52] <apachelogger> nah, I only thought of it after the last released I did, so I told vorian to take care of it, if he gets a chance
[19:52] <apachelogger> back then it was not critical though
[19:53] <apachelogger>     # strip translations from .desktop files if they have a gettext domain (since
[19:53] <apachelogger>     # inline translations are preferred)
[19:53] <apachelogger> a) we make our kde4.mk not add the gettext domain (in case it even does, and we can influcene that at all)
[19:54] <apachelogger> b) hook in before pkgstriptrainslations does and strip the gettext domain
[19:59] <apachelogger> 	  # add translation domain to files \
[19:59] <apachelogger> 	  for file in `cat LIST`; do \
[19:59] <apachelogger> 	    echo X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=desktop_$${KUBUNTU_DESKTOP_POT} >> $${file}; \
[19:59] <apachelogger> 	  done; \
[19:59] <apachelogger> from kde4.mk.in
[20:11] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ping
[20:11] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: pong
[20:11] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: are you ok if I assigne you to that bug
[20:11] <apachelogger> + which packages should it affect anyway
[20:11] <JontheEchidna> cdbs I guess?
[20:12] <JontheEchidna> Just remove the addition of the domain in kde4.mk.in?
[20:12] <apachelogger> well
[20:12] <apachelogger> technically
[20:12] <apachelogger> the issue is in kde-l10n-*
[20:12] <apachelogger> though pkgbinarymangler caused the regression
[20:12] <apachelogger> though it is most reliably fixable via cdbs
[20:13]  * apachelogger is downloading from kde ftp with 50 kib/s
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> eek
[20:14]  * apachelogger switches to sftp
[20:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: so what does it affect?
[20:14] <JontheEchidna> uuh
[20:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: also, the ubuntu lang-pack stuff is where the fix comes from, if not the mangler or cdbs get cahnged
[20:14] <JontheEchidna> So we'll have to at least fix in in cdbs, whine to pitti in pkgmangler, and reupload all the kde-l10n-* right?
[20:15] <apachelogger> I am not sure if the change in cdbs is not causing problems
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> affects: fucking everything :D
[20:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: can you please talk to pitti
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> sure
[20:15] <apachelogger> if removing the gettext-domain doesn't have any grave side-effects we should push cdbs
[20:16] <apachelogger> and make the bug affect kde-l10n and lang-pack for the long-term "solution"
[20:16] <apachelogger> 50 bucks rosetta is going to fuck em up anyway
[20:21]  * apachelogger thinks bespin is memleaking
[20:25] <apachelogger> hm
[20:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: also strings are heavily broken
[20:25] <apachelogger> which is probably not desktop file related
[20:25] <JontheEchidna> ;.;
[20:26]  * a|wen_ just had a complete kernel freeze to the point where magic sysrq didn't work ... switching vt
[20:28] <apachelogger> what the devil
[20:33] <apachelogger> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1,7K 2009-04-06 13:59 systemsettings.mo
[20:33] <apachelogger> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 70K 2009-04-06 14:58 gnome-control-center-2.0.mo
[20:33] <apachelogger> well
[20:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I don't want anymore
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> this always happens :(
[20:36] <apachelogger> seriously, I am all fed up with that crap
[20:37] <apachelogger> what use does all the work have we are putting into Kubuntu if 90% of the world can't even use it
[20:39] <apachelogger> hm
[20:40] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I think the whole svn stuff should be moved to cdbs
[20:40] <apachelogger> it's 100% generic anyway
[20:40] <JontheEchidna> svn stuff?
[20:40] <apachelogger> if KDE_LANGCODE; svn export
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> from where?
[20:41] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/145675/
[20:41] <apachelogger> currently that stuff resides within every l10n rules
[20:42] <apachelogger> this is so pissing me off right now
[20:43] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: though, we execute that before creating the tarball
[20:44]  * apachelogger is failing to understand all that useless work
[20:49] <Quintasan> hmm I'm off, good night guys
[20:49] <daskreech> night
[20:57]  * a|wen wonders if we got anywhere further regarding the translations
[20:59] <apachelogger> yup, to the point where I wonder whether I should leave the project
[21:00]  * a|wen really don't get what rosetta is good for
[21:01] <apachelogger> breaking translations, exposing them to poor QA, more breaking....
[21:06] <a|wen> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/kdebase/+pots/desktop-kdebase
[21:07] <a|wen> doesn't this level of translation look all too familiar
[21:10] <apachelogger> that is all messed-up why does it show kde3 crap there
[21:12] <a|wen> oh, didn't even see that; only all the red lines
[21:13] <a|wen> something is seriously broken
[21:13] <apachelogger> no, no, no, I just can't stand it anymore
[21:13] <apachelogger> a|wen: no, they all come from the same source package
[21:13] <apachelogger> obviously enough that rosetta has no clue how to treat that case
[21:14] <apachelogger> we _have to_ use upstream translations
[21:14] <apachelogger> all unbearable
[21:15] <apachelogger> rosetta missed it's target big time and further more causes most awkward issues which only get fixed after half a year or never
[21:15]  * tsimpson never did quite "get" rosetta
[21:16] <a|wen> then let us override rosetta and use upstream translations
[21:16] <apachelogger> the mangler makes that quite difficult alright
[21:17] <apachelogger> + kde-l10n-* is in universe
[21:17] <apachelogger> + we need approval from the KC
[21:17] <apachelogger> still
[21:18] <apachelogger> I will upload fixed kde-l10n packages, but after that I will not do any whatsoever work on anything until someone has a long-term fix for that localization issue
[21:19] <apachelogger> I am not going to waste time on a project I can't even recommend to close friends, because I know that usually there is a major breakage at least twice a year
[21:19] <apachelogger> just not going to do that any longer to me
[21:20] <a|wen> somebody seriously has a problem with regards to translations
[21:21] <a|wen> at least it looks to "only" affect .desktop files
[21:22] <apachelogger> a|wen: does not
[21:22] <apachelogger> systemsettings on my laptop is with latest packages only speaking english
[21:25] <kb9vqf> Is there any way to have apt-get remove any packages not listed in a text file?
[21:25] <kb9vqf> I want to clean up a bunch of junk on a new system
[21:25] <a|wen> apachelogger: aren't they controlled by some kcm .desktop files
[21:26] <a|wen> kb9vqf: not easily ... you probably need some scrip creativity; matching your text-file against the installed packages that dpkg reports and removes the rest
[21:27] <apachelogger> a|wen: they?
[21:27] <kb9vqf> a|wen: rats...that's what I was afraid of.  Oh well!
[21:27] <a|wen> apachelogger: i only have missing translations on the buttons in systemsettings not in the real modules... worse in german?
[21:27] <apachelogger> well, that should be easy enough
[21:28] <apachelogger> a|wen: all english
[21:28] <apachelogger> oh
[21:28] <apachelogger> actually
[21:28] <apachelogger> a|wen: you are right
[21:29] <apachelogger> though country/region&language doesn't follow the setting at all and is talking english
[21:29] <apachelogger> like completely
[21:29] <apachelogger> maybe a fallback from KDE, in case $user ends up with wrong language :D
[21:30] <apachelogger> then again, what's the change he will find that kcm and not know the apply button
[21:30] <apachelogger> *chance
[21:31] <a|wen> that seems kind of odd, yeah ... so we need someone to fix .desktop files!
[21:31] <JontheEchidna> a|wen: btw, I pushed my -workspace stuff to bzr, testbuilding in my ppa now
[21:32] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: cool!
[21:38] <a|wen> Riddell: seems somebody specifically broke the .desktop file translations for us ... so you know when you talk to people
[22:02] <ryanakca> kb9vqf: Maybe you could mess around with !clone for your script...
[22:02] <ryanakca> !close > kb9vqf
[22:02] <ryanakca> !clone > kb9vqf
[22:09] <a|wen> goodnight everyone
[22:10]  * a|wen looks forward to some positive translation news for tomorrow ... crossed fingers
[22:14] <ryanakca> claydoh: Feel like giving the guy a call again? Should still be at work if he's in Texas...
[22:17] <kb9vqf> ryanakca: thanks!  I ended up doing it manually with awk, kdiff, and kate, but it is good to know for the future
[22:18] <dtchen> heads-up: i've committed the PA-side fixes for bug 355825
[22:19] <dtchen> i will call for testers soon using a (my) PPA build (of PulseAudio)
[22:31] <tsimpson> some kdebindings fixes: bug #356605
[22:59] <nixternal> interesting, out of the blue I am receiving notices on KDE stuff in openSUSE's build system...anyone else get these too?
[22:59] <daskreech> Have you seen the new Suse stuff?
[22:59] <daskreech> niiiiice
[23:11] <Riddell> kb9vqf: we could put a story on the website about 3.5 live CD
[23:14] <daskreech> kb9vqf: You are getting the packages on the official repos ?
[23:14] <JontheEchidna> kdeplasma-addons for KDE 4.2.2 wasn't ever uploaded to kubuntu-members-kde4
[23:27] <tsimpson> !info kdeplasma-addons kde4-ppa
[23:27] <tsimpson> !info kdeplasma-addons kde4-ppa-intrepid
[23:27] <tsimpson> !info kdeplasma-addons kubuntu-experimental
[23:28] <tsimpson> JontheEchidna: we could just just copy over from -experimental
[23:37] <kb9vqf> Ridell: sorry I missed you--that would be great!  I could really use some beta testing of that LiveCD
[23:37] <kb9vqf> Riddell: That would be great!  I could really use some beta testing of that LiveCD
[23:38] <kb9vqf> Riddell: I am having some problems with the amd64 one though, so it may be delayed by a few days
[23:42] <kb9vqf> daskreech: Not sure.  I'm not even sure who to ask about that--any advice would be great.
[23:48] <daskreech> hi rickspencer3
[23:48] <rickspencer3> hiya
[23:48] <daskreech> kb9vqf: #ubuntu-motu would be a good place to start
[23:48] <daskreech> how are you?
[23:48] <rickspencer3> fine
[23:48] <rickspencer3> a little edgy with final freeze coming up
[23:48] <kb9vqf> daskreech: OK, will do
[23:57] <Mr_Grieves|> Will qt 4.5 be backported to 8.10?
[23:57] <JontheEchidna> nope, it would require patching too many things for things to work properly with it
[23:58] <Mr_Grieves|> JontheEchidna: Ok. Just wondering. I'll keep looking forward to 9.04, then :)
[23:59] <JontheEchidna> :)