[00:45] <vorian> who can i speak with about increasing the size of my ppa?
[00:46] <lifeless> ask a question on answers.lauchpad.net/launchpad
[00:46] <lifeless> and the next rostered help contact will direct it to the right place
[00:46] <lifeless> [noone is on at the moment]
[01:16] <magcius> Only the reporter of a bug can close it, right?
[01:18] <jml> no.
[04:41] <duffyd> jamesh_: hi
[04:41] <duffyd> jamesh_: got everything working with the pygpgme thing btw
[04:41] <duffyd> was a permissions thing on the .gpg folder in the end
[04:42] <duffyd> problem when you're using effective-users for stuff and starting with sudo
[04:44] <jamesh> duffyd: it's good to hear you solved your problem.
[04:44] <duffyd> jamesh: aye :) btw you ever got zope.testrecorder to record tests for remote sites?
[04:44] <duffyd> doesn't seem to work
[04:44] <duffyd> probably because it wasn't designed for that
[04:45] <jamesh> I've never used that module.
[04:45] <duffyd> k np
[04:45] <duffyd> just makes creating doctests using zope.testbrowser a little easier
[04:46] <jamesh> we used to use a recorder thingee as a first step in generating page tests, but haven't done anything like that since switching to testbrowser
[04:46] <duffyd> k
[04:46] <duffyd> its not that accurate anyway
[04:46] <duffyd> stupid thing ;)
[04:47] <jamesh> I'm not sure it'd be that useful for the way we write our tests.
[04:47] <duffyd> I'm not even wanting to use it to generate doctests in this case, just to create some quick instructions for a client
[04:47] <duffyd> k
[05:04] <duffyd> cu all
[05:17] <Ursinha> hey beuno
[05:17] <Ursinha> around?
[06:34] <mtaylor> so... this new releases/milestones thing is great - but I can't seem to figure out how to make a release that isn't  associated with a milestone. am I just dumb?
[06:35] <thumper> mtaylor: IIRC a release is a milestone that happes to be released
[06:35] <thumper> mtaylor: so all releases are milestones
[06:35] <thumper> mtaylor: but all milestones are not necessarily releases
[06:36] <mtaylor> right
[06:36] <mtaylor> before, there was an ability to just go to a release series and "register a release"
[06:37] <mtaylor> is it now that if I wanted to achieve that same effect, I would need to explictly define a milestone, then go to that milestone and release a file?
[07:05] <thumper> mtaylor: I don't know the new workflow.  Try getting salgado or sinzui when they turn up.
[07:52] <wgrant> mtaylor: There will soon be a view to allow you to create both at once.
[12:19] <wgrant> Why can't I specify a commit message when I first create a merge proposal?
[12:31] <intellectronica> wgrant: you mean a commit message to be used when the branch eventually gets merged?
[12:31] <intellectronica> if yes, then i think this is a really good idea
[12:32] <intellectronica> rockstar: ^^^^^
[12:32] <wgrant> intellectronica: There's already a field for it.
[12:32] <wgrant> intellectronica: But I can only set it after I've created it.
[12:32] <intellectronica> oh, there is? can't believe i missed it :)
[12:33] <wgrant> I didn't see it until today eitherl.
[12:33] <intellectronica> oh wow, i can see. maybe that's a new feature. very nice
[12:33] <wgrant> It must be.
[12:34] <wgrant> Because I got a colleague to include the commit message in the initial comment just a couple of weeks ago...
[12:34] <intellectronica> wgrant: i wonder, how would you specify it? i usually  create merge proposals by `bzr send`ing. bzr will have to know how to do that
[12:35] <wgrant> intellectronica: I use the 'Propose for merging' link.
[12:36] <wgrant> But bzr send could easily take an argument. It would make sense for a lot of cases.
[12:37] <intellectronica> yes, i guess it would make sense for bzr to take a parameter when sending even if it's not for an LP merge proposal, since sending a bundle is usually a process that should end with a merge anyway
[12:37] <wgrant> Exactly.
[12:37] <wgrant> What does it use for the email subject now?
[12:39] <james_w> it seeds them from the first line of the last commit message in the branch
[12:40] <james_w> which is often "clean up" or similar if there is more than one revision in the merge directive, so not ideal
[12:41] <wgrant> Right. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
[12:41] <james_w> it's arguably better than nothing
[12:41] <james_w> as it's only seeding it, you can set it to what you like
[12:42] <james_w> you would be expected to provide two things, a commit message and a cover letter, as they will often be different
[12:42] <james_w> there could be a convention in the text of the mail to separate the two
[12:47] <lifeless> is there a bug open about the 'contact this person' thing on groups being uhm, problematic?
[12:49] <elmo> lifeless: yes
[12:50] <elmo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-registry/+bug/301727
[12:56] <lifeless> thanks elmo
[13:36] <sinzui> mtaylor: For this month only, you do need to define a milestone, then create a release from it.
[14:19] <tymofiy> hi there.
[14:19] <tymofiy> I am trying to send message to all members of the team and get errors all the time.
[14:19] <tymofiy> where should I report the bug?
[14:20] <tymofiy> the team is https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-uk
[14:22] <vadi2> How can I mark a package as also being affected by a bug report?
[14:22] <vadi2> I click on "Also affects project", and it takes me to the page where I'm supposed to give the upstream URL for the 1 project that is listed. I don't see an option to add another affected package in ubuntu anywhere.
[14:22] <wgrant> vadi2: 'Also affects distribution'
[14:22] <matsubara> vadi2: does it have a Ubuntu bug task already?
[14:23] <vadi2> ok, think I got it. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine/+bug/355005
[14:28] <vadi2> imho, it would make a lot more sense if it said "Also affects distribution / package"
[15:54] <oly> hi, there is a bug filed against pythonmagick version 0.8-0ubuntu1 a new package was created of version 0.8-0ubuntu2 but bugs still remain should the bug be reposted on the new revision
[15:55] <oly> hoping this gets fixed, just want to make sure the bugs are still relevant when a newer release is made
[15:55] <oly> and that only closing of the bug makes it not apply any more
[15:58] <thewrath> hey does anyone know how to move my ssh public and private key from windows to ubuntu?
[16:01] <kiko> thewrath, I think you basically need to copy the files over
[16:06] <Ng> is the release registering stuff in the latest rollout.... wrong?
[16:06] <Ng> the blog post about it gives the impression that one can register a release and its accompanying milestone at the same time, but it seems like you can just register a milestone and then publish that to a release
[16:07] <Ng> (and fwiw, the docs on this appear to be wrong or missing, unless I'm entirely wrong about all of this!)
[16:15] <seb128> hi there
[16:15] <seb128> intellectronica: ok, let's use this channel rather then ;-)
[16:16] <beuno> sinzui1, ^^
[16:16] <seb128> intellectronica: let me know if you need any detail about this GNOME watch not updating, I've some hundred bug numbers I can give as example ;-)
[16:16] <sinzui1> Ng: You must create a milestone, then a release from that milestone
[16:16] <sinzui1> Ng: This is for this month only
[16:17] <sinzui1> Ng, We will begine testing a feature to create a milestone while creating a release this week
[16:18] <Ng> sinzui: aha, ok, thanks
[16:19] <Ng> sinzui: fwiw, I raise this because a friend of mine uses LP for his project, and said he would very much appreciate being emailed when he needs to change his processes like this. Maybe there could be a combination of launchpad-announce and the blog, aimed at project administrators? (probably more of a question for mrevell I suppose)
[16:20] <sinzui> Ng: agreed
[16:20] <pancake> how can i create a private branch in launchpad?
[16:21] <pancake> i dont see any option or help in the documentation
[16:21] <mrevell> Ng: Up until now we've done a mix of emailing people directly, where we can definitely see they've  used a feature, as well as posting on the blog and launchpad-announce. This one probably should have gone to announce as well as the blog but it did go to launchpad-users.
[16:21] <mrevell> Ng: it's difficult to get the balance right some times
[16:21] <Ng> mrevell: sure, you'll never make everyone happy :)
[16:21] <mrevell> Ng: We promise -announce will be very low traffic -- downtime notiftications, that sort of thing
[16:22] <mrevell> Ng: So, I'm in two minds. I think -users is the best place for most communication like this.
[16:22] <Ng> mrevell: there's no way he (or I, as a fellow project owner) will subscribe to -users :)
[16:23] <mrevell> Ng: Why? It's not particularly high traffic?
[16:23] <mrevell> s/?/.
[16:23] <pancake> hello?
[16:23] <mrevell> hello pancake
[16:25] <mrevell> pancake: Creating a private branch: you need to be a commercial subscriber just now. bac -- can you help pancake?
[16:25] <pancake> somebody knows how can i setup a branch to be private?
[16:25] <bac> hi pancake
[16:25] <bac> pancake: what project are you working on?
[16:28] <pancake> how can i became a commercial subscriber?
[16:29] <bac> pancake: there is some information here:  http://blog.launchpad.net/general/new-privacy-features-for-commercial-subscribers
[16:29] <Ng> mrevell: for his part, he has no interest in being part of the launchpad user community, he just wants to release his software easily. I just don't have screen space for more mailing list folders ;)
[16:29] <Ng> mrevell: but it's better than nothing :)
[16:30] <pancake> bac: Thanks
[16:30] <bac> pancake: when you register your project and mark the license as 'Other/Proprietary' you will shown a link for buying a commercial subscription voucher in the canonical store
[16:30] <pancake> will check that
[16:30] <bac> pancake: once you buy that voucher you return to launchpad and apply it to your project.  voila.
[16:30] <pancake> can i work on public branches and then convert them into private at some point?
[16:30] <pancake> or i will need to reimport them?
[16:31] <bac> pancake: i *believe* you will need to push them again
[16:31] <pancake> oops ok :)
[16:31] <mrevell> Ng: I think major changes like this are probably right for -announce. When it comes to changes that affect smaller, easily definable groups (i.e. people we can pull out of the db with a query) then we email directly. I'll check to see if the LP welcome email recommends people subscribe to -announce. If it doesn't, I'll amend it.
[16:31] <Ng> mrevell: I think that makes sense :)
[16:31] <bac> pancake: contact me here if you have further questions.
[16:33] <pancake> Thanks for the help bac :)
[17:10] <oSoMoN> hi all
[17:10] <oSoMoN> is there a way to stop a build in my ppa?
[17:10] <hyperair> no there isn't.
[17:10] <oSoMoN> it seems the builder is down, and my build is stuck in "building" status
[17:11] <oSoMoN> https://edge.launchpad.net/builders/lawrencium
[17:11] <hyperair> for that you should contact launchpad staff =p
[17:11] <hyperair> which is.. here.
[17:11] <hyperair> i'm just not sure who they are
[17:11] <oSoMoN> :/
[17:12] <hyperair> =p
[17:12] <hyperair> sit around
[17:12] <hyperair> i'm sure someone will attend to you
[17:13] <beuno> cprov, ^
[17:14] <beuno> oSoMoN, cprov is your man, he's around somewhere
[17:14] <oSoMoN> beuno: thx
[17:37] <dlynch> is it just my imagination or has "register a release" disappeared from the series overview page?
[17:42] <oSoMoN> dlynch: not just you
[17:42] <oSoMoN> and the +addrelease url directs to a Oops page
[17:42] <dlynch> oSoMoN: thanks.... I was wondering if I'd done something wrong
[17:43] <oSoMoN> that's been announced on the launchpad-users ML
[17:43] <oSoMoN> releases are now automatically linked to milestones
[17:47] <dlynch> oSoMoN: it sounds like I need to setup a milestone before a release then.... ok
[17:47] <cprov> hyperair: I'm checking your build
[17:48] <hyperair> cprov: wrong person. i'm not the one with the messed up build
[17:48] <oSoMoN> cprov: that's me
[17:49] <oSoMoN> https://edge.launchpad.net/~osomon/+archive/ppa/+build/932005 has been running for two hours now, and it seems the builder is down
[17:49] <cprov> hyperair: I'm sorry, overlooked the IRC log.
[17:50] <hyperair> cprov: =)
[17:50] <cprov> oSoMoN: the builder was deactivated for executing some other task.
[17:50] <oSoMoN> I guess that didn't properly stop the build
[17:51] <cprov> oSoMoN: right
[17:54] <oSoMoN> right, it's now stopped and queued for rebuild
[17:54] <oSoMoN> thanks!
[17:55] <cprov> oSoMoN: yup, it will build this time.
[18:01] <thewrath> kiko: in ubuntu it is in a file and that is why i am not srue
[18:41] <kiko> thewrath, not two files?
[19:12] <savvas> what's http://dogfood.launchpad.net ?
[20:02] <adrian15555> http://www.gulic.org/pastebin/28 I have dput"ed" some packages with this configuration last Friday and today is not uploaded yet. What I am doing wrong? I still have not received an email either ok or disapproval.
[20:05] <LarstiQ> adrian15555: did you actually dput to adrian15_ubuntu_fai_ppa ?
[20:05] <LarstiQ> adrian15555: mine has also:
[20:05] <LarstiQ> [DEFAULT]
[20:05] <LarstiQ> default_host_main = notspecified
[20:07] <tsimpson> http://ppa.launchpad.net/adrian15/ is 404
[20:07] <tsimpson> that would be the issue there
[20:10] <adrian15555> tsimpson, https://launchpad.net/~adrian15/+archive/fai That's the place where I want to put it.
[20:11] <adrian15555> tsimpson, How am I supposed to write the incoming field then?
[20:11] <adrian15555> LarstiQ, Yes, I actually dput it.
[20:11] <tsimpson> adrian15555: that archive doesn't exist on ppa.launchpad.net, this is some sort of error
[20:12] <tsimpson> I'd suggest asking on https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion if there are no LP admins available here
[20:12] <adrian15555> tsimpson, did you check the ~ ?
[20:12] <LarstiQ> adrian15555: the most common error is dputting to a different location
[20:12] <tsimpson> adrian15555: look at http://ppa.launchpad.net/
[20:12] <adrian15555> tsimpson, I mean it is a personal package archive, not one from a project or package
[20:12] <LarstiQ> but tsimpson seems to be on to something
[20:13] <adrian15555> LarstiQ, well, I have one doubt about the "activate" step
[20:14] <cprov> adrian15555: incoming = ~adrian15/fai/ubuntu
[20:14] <adrian15555> LarstiQ, I think that I have activated the ppa but I am not quite sure right now
[20:14] <adrian15555> cprov, so it is ubuntu missing, then ?
[20:15] <cprov> adrian15555: it should work if you omit the last slash, it's optional
[20:15] <adrian15555> cprov, I am going to try
[20:16] <tsimpson> does ppa.lp.net/<username> get created after an initial upload then?
[20:16] <cprov> tsimpson: after the first publication, to be precise
[20:17] <cprov> up to 20 minutes after the upload gets accepted.
[20:17] <tsimpson> ah, ok
[20:18] <adrian15555> cprov, I am going to wait for email about  accept.
[20:18] <adrian15555> cprov, So... the files that I have uploaded to ~adrian15/fai/ will be automatically deleted by the system or might I delete them somehow? And so how?
[20:19] <cprov> adrian15555: that upload was rejected, so already wiped from our servers. No worries.
[20:20] <cprov> adrian15555: btw, didn't you receive a rejection email from it ?
[20:21] <adrian15555> cprov, I only received an email rejection from the first dput, the one that was not well written
[20:21] <adrian15555> cprov, I did another three other dputs and no email rejection did I receive
[20:22] <cprov> adrian15555: let me check the logs for you.
[20:22] <adrian15555> I had: ~adrian15/ppa/fai/ and you adviced me to write: ~adrian/fai/ instead.
[20:23] <adrian15555> cprov, Ok. Waiting for your logs check.
[20:23] <cprov> adrian15555: 2009-04-06 19:20:41 DEBUG       Subject: live-initramfs_1.132.1-1~ppa1_source.changes rejected
[20:23] <adrian15555> cprov, Yes.
[20:23] <adrian15555> cprov, I just have received the mails from these last three dputs.
[20:24] <adrian15555> cprov, Unable to find distroseries: unstable (That's the error). Is it changelog which it is incorrect, maybe?
[20:26] <adrian15555> cprov, That's very interesting. The other packages read intrepid instead of unstable. But I have got live-initramfs from Ubuntu 8.10 official repository
[20:26] <adrian15555> I am going to change it to intrepid and that's it.
[20:27] <cprov> adrian15555: ubuntu has pristine debian syncs
[20:28] <adrian15555> cprov, ok, that explains
[20:28] <cprov> adrian15555: you can override information in the changelog by using 'incoming= ~adrian15/fai/ubuntu/intrepid'
[20:29] <adrian15555> cprov, But the ppa will still be the same url isn't it ?
[20:29] <cprov> adrian15555: this way you wouldn't have to change the source
[20:29] <cprov> adrian15555: the only disadvantage of doing it is that the version number won't be changed either
[20:30] <adrian15555> cprov, what do you mean?
[20:30] <cprov> adrian15555: yes, the parameters after the PPA name are optional an will be used to adjust the uploaded changesfile
[20:31] <adrian15555> cprov, ok, that's fine
[20:31] <cprov> adrian15555: I mean that you can use the upload path overrides to adjust pristine sources downloaded from debian or other repository, without spending time changing the source.
[20:32] <adrian15555> cprov, uploaded. Now I will wait till 21:40
[20:32] <cprov> adrian15555: :45
[20:32] <cprov> upload processor runs */5
[20:32] <adrian15555> cprov, I did understand that part. What I did not understand is the version number part? Why is it a disadvantage?
[20:32] <cprov> adrian15555: ah, right
[20:33] <cprov> adrian15555: by having the same version in you PPA and in the original location you lose the upgrade path on clients
[20:34] <cprov> adrian15555: people with your PPA and the original repo (debian, ubuntu, etc) will have unpredictable installation candidates.
[20:34] <cprov> because binaries, despite of being different (built in different circumstances), will have the same version.
[20:37] <adrian15555> cprov, Do not worry. I haved added my own lines to changelog adding that ~ppa at the end.
[20:37] <cprov> adrian15555: cool
[20:39] <adrian15555> cprov, It was written here: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA So I did that.
[20:40] <adelie42> If I am starting a new project and want it hosted on launchpad, I just register a branch, correct?
[20:42] <adrian15555> cprov, Packages seem to have been uploaded ok. I will have to test them as a repository another day. Thank you all for your help.
[20:42] <adelie42> Just want to double check the meaning of "branch"
[20:42] <cprov> adrian15555: you are welcome.
[20:45] <adelie42> anyone?
[21:00] <Ursinha> hey beuno
[21:01] <Ursinha> yesterday my boyfriend was uploading packages to his ppa and he asked me why in the +edit-dependencies page you have a Save button and a Cancel link, instead of a cancel button as well
[21:01] <Ursinha> I didn't know the answer :)
[21:01] <Ursinha> +edit-dependencies as in https://edge.launchpad.net/~ursinha/+archive/mamona/+edit-dependencies
[21:03] <beuno> hi Ursinha
[21:04] <beuno> Ursinha, there are links everywhere
[21:04] <Ursinha> beuno, but why a link and a button?
[21:04] <beuno> to clearly distinguish it from save
[21:04] <Ursinha> hm
[21:06] <tsimpson> it doesn't need to be a button, it doesn't submit a form
[21:07] <Ursinha> tsimpson, I'm just asking because I saw that in this page and saw Cancel buttons in other places
[21:08] <Ursinha> wanted to understand the difference
[21:08] <Ursinha> the "doesn't submit a form" is a good one
[21:08] <Ursinha> :)
[21:09] <tsimpson> I don't remember seen a cancel button anywhere, but then I haven't "looked" for one
[21:12] <beuno> yes, that too  :)
[21:12] <beuno> I was on the phone, good that other people can think clearly
[21:19] <Ursinha> tsimpson, you don't need to go far, +edit ppa has one Cancel button
[21:21] <tsimpson> oh, so there is
[21:25] <tsimpson> "Cancel" buttons on web forms seem strange to me, you send all the data to the server which ever button you press
[21:26] <tsimpson> you just hope the server checks to see which button was clicked
[21:27] <thumper> tsimpson: file a bug, it should be a cancel link not a cancel button
[21:28] <beuno> thumper, it is a link   :)
[21:28] <beuno> oh
[21:28] <beuno> right?
[21:29] <Ursinha> beuno, it's a button
[21:30] <beuno> aw
[21:30] <beuno> "it's a bug"
[21:30] <beuno> who wants karma for filing it?
[21:30] <Ursinha> hahaha
[21:30] <beuno> free karma!
[21:30] <Ursinha> I can do that
[21:30] <Ursinha> lol
[21:31] <beuno> that's the spirit
[21:31] <beuno> some day, you'll be able to use all that karma to buy a nice beach house
[21:31] <Ursinha> hmm see beuno
[21:31] <Ursinha> bug 347275
[21:32] <Ursinha> the +edit page is not listed in this bug
[21:32] <Ursinha> I'll edit the description
[21:33] <Ursinha> done
[21:33] <mdke> mwhudson: around?
[21:33] <mwhudson> mdke: yes
[21:33]  * Ursinha loves dupefinder
[21:34] <mdke> mwhudson: just a quick question. We rely on a svn import here: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/gnome-user-docs/trunk but gnome is switching to git so I wondered if there is an easy way to switch over. LP doesn't do git imports, right?
[21:34] <mdke> mwhudson: do we need to work directly with the upstream git repo via a bzr plugin or can LP help?
[21:34] <mwhudson> mdke: lp will do git imports pretty soon
[21:34] <mdke> mwhudson: rockin
[21:35] <mwhudson> mdke: in the next release or the one after that, i guess
[21:35] <mwhudson> mdke: when is gnome actually switching?
[21:35] <mdke> ok, I'll keep an eye open
[21:36] <mdke> I'm not sure when the move happens
[21:36]  * mdke googles
[21:37] <mdke> mwhudson: just after 16 April
[21:37] <mwhudson> oh
[21:37] <mwhudson> we won't be ready by then :/
[21:39] <mdke> oh well
[21:55] <DivineTemplar> Hello
[21:56] <DivineTemplar> I seem to need assistance signing the Code of Conduct. I have sent my keys to the keyserver, but it is not recognizing my fingerprint.
[22:14] <sladen> +filebug is busted
[22:15] <sladen> Timeout three times in a row, most recent   (Error ID: OOPS-1192C2638)
[22:32] <thumper> sladen: +filebug on what?
[22:35] <sladen> thumper: /ubuntu/
[22:36] <sladen> thumper: with the summary = "FFe bve-route-cross-city-south/bve-train-br-class-323 for jaunty/universe"
[22:37] <sladen> thumper: is that overly long and therefoer likely to cause a database search timeout
[22:38] <sladen> th	(+daadvanced worked, but I guess it  the search for similar likely bugs)
[22:38] <thumper> sladen: I'm not entirely sure, but you could use the https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug-advanced to skip the searches
[22:39] <sladen> thumper: yes, I did, and it worked
[22:39] <thumper> ok
[22:40] <sladen> thumper: would it be possible to not error if the search timesout and instead just assume that there were no likely matches
[22:40] <thumper> sladen: not easily, no
[23:20] <seb128> hi
[23:21] <Snova> Hello seb128.
[23:21] <seb128> edge doesn't let me close bug #354710 as duplicate of bug #224229
[23:21] <seb128> it displays a "The following errors were encountered: " with a red dot on the next line and no error
[23:21] <seb128> is that a known issue?
[23:22] <intellectronica> seb128: i can reproduce. this is not a known issue. care to file a bug?
[23:25] <seb128> intellectronica: ok, doing that now
[23:26] <intellectronica> seb128: thanks!
[23:27] <seb128> intellectronica: bug #356656