[00:27] <Ienorand> StevenX: Software sources in system-admin menu.
[00:38] <Lenin_Cat> /home/cary/Desktop/Downloads/cedega_7/winex-7
[00:38] <Lenin_Cat> ops
[00:38] <Lenin_Cat> sorry
[00:38] <Lenin_Cat> how do I upgrade to ext4?
[00:40] <Mulder> do a clean installation is best way
[00:41] <Lenin_Cat> Mulder, and lose all my data -_-
[00:44] <rconan> how can I regenerate the default config files from a package?
[00:44] <Lenin_Cat> Mulder, I cant, I odnt have a 500gb flash drive, I need to upgrade them
[00:45] <rconan> Lenin_Cat: you can upgrade them but you wont see any benefit on files which are already there
[00:46] <Lenin_Cat> rconan, but you can defrag
[00:46] <Lenin_Cat> rconan, just tell me how
[00:46] <rconan> Lenin_Cat: I don't know how to... someone in here wil tel you
[00:47] <bruce89> ich, libindicate support in Empathy
[00:50] <rww> Lenin_Cat: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Ext4#Migrating_From_ext3_to_ext4
[00:51] <rww> Lenin_Cat: It's arch-linux focused, but the steps should be similar/
[00:51] <rww> Lenin_Cat: There's also http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto#Converting_an_ext3_filesystem_to_ext4 and http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta#Ext4%20filesystem%20support
[00:52] <philsf> I noted from the beta that suspend when laptop lid is closed is still not a default. shound't it be?
[00:53] <seiflotfy3> ok this is odd but my nvidia card has been on 73 degrees all day
[00:53] <seiflotfy3> even on a fresh install
[00:53] <seiflotfy3> it has soemthing to do with the drivers i guess
[00:53] <rconan> seiflotfy3: what's odd about that?
[00:53] <seiflotfy3> 180.44
[00:53] <seiflotfy3> the usual temprature is 50
[00:53] <seiflotfy3> so the laptop is very hot
[00:53] <rconan> temp monitor is working for me
[00:54] <seiflotfy3> this started a couple of days ago
[00:54] <seiflotfy3> well it sometimes jumps to 80
[00:54] <seiflotfy3> lol
[00:54] <rconan> my 8800GTX is 41 and my 8500GT is 54
[00:54] <rconan> seems about right
[00:54] <seiflotfy3> hmmmm
[00:54] <seiflotfy3> mine are always at 74
[00:54] <seiflotfy3> or higher
[00:54] <rconan> are you sure they're not actually that hot?
[00:55] <coz_> rconan, what are you using to find the temperature?
[00:55] <rconan> if it's dualboot you could try running a monitor in the other OS to compare with...
[00:55] <rconan> coz_: the nvidia-settings program
[00:55] <rconan> seiflotfy3: I assume you're using the same
[00:56] <seiflotfy3> yeah
[00:56] <seiflotfy3> wil ldo that
[00:56] <seiflotfy3> can it have smethign to do iwht pluging in 2 montors
[00:56] <seiflotfy3> ?
[00:57] <rconan> seiflotfy3: doubt it
[00:57] <rconan> I have 4 plugged in anyway so it's no difference between us
[00:58] <rconan> did you say you were reading off nvidia-settings
[00:58] <rconan> ?
[00:59] <seiflotfy3> yeah
[00:59] <seiflotfy3> i can feel it
[00:59] <seiflotfy3> its a laptop
[00:59] <rconan> hmm
[01:00] <rconan> it could be the new drives... you could try reverting them and see if it stops
[01:00] <seiflotfy3> i am
[01:00] <rconan> there might be fan control on its cooling whichis going wrong
[01:01]  * rconan needs to go to bed...
[01:12] <eMaX> hi all
[01:12] <eMaX> anyone an idea what's wrong if networkmanager (gnome) sees no wireless lans while wicd sees many?
[01:47] <YixilTesiphon> any ideas as to why it won't recognize that my headphones are plugged in?
[01:52] <wirechief> YixilTesiphon:  did you try alsamixer
[01:52] <YixilTesiphon> wirechief: installed it, but very confused what to do from there
[01:52] <eMaX> hi all
[01:52] <YixilTesiphon> the models list is greek to me
[01:53] <YixilTesiphon> the sound card is an ati rs-780
[01:53] <YixilTesiphon> speakers work fine
[01:53] <wirechief> they are just sliders that control sound
[01:53] <eMaX> anyone: when I disable wireless networks in gnome and reenable them, the available wireless networks are not shown until I select any in "connet to hidden"
[01:53] <YixilTesiphon> oh yeah, turned headphones to max for that
[01:53] <YixilTesiphon> makes no difference
[01:54] <wirechief> YixilTesiphon: you probably would get more help in the am on #alsa  they have a script you can run to check things.
[01:54] <YixilTesiphon> wirechief: thanks
[01:54] <wirechief> i doubt anyones there no though.
[01:55] <wirechief> usually gnubien or wishy can get you going.
[02:06] <centaur5> Is that normal for Jaunty to not allow you to use ext4 if you're using a software raid?
[02:07] <RichardWolfVI> Hello, Jounty crashes whrn I try to play 720p video
[02:08] <RichardWolfVI> actually it's the X server what crashes
[02:09] <RichardWolfVI> brb
[02:14] <J-_> Is there a task applet like alarm-clock that works in Jaunty?
[02:15] <Mulder> RichardWolfVI, ati driver?
[02:17] <bruce89> !away | RichardWolfVI, virk
[02:18] <RichardWolfVI> Mulder: Nope, Intel
[02:19] <bruce89> RichardWolfVI: there are a lot of issues with the intel driver
[02:20] <RichardWolfVI> I was somewhat attracted by the UXA acceleration option, but neither that works :/
[02:21] <Mulder> heh
[02:21] <Mulder> at least you still have your health
[02:22] <bruce89> Mulder: I'll need to try that one in the future
[02:22] <RichardWolfVI> Funny thing, I can play said videos under Windows in VirtualBox
[02:22]  * Mulder winks at bruce
[02:27] <Jordan_U> RichardWolfVI, What output are you using? ( xv, X11, openGL )
[02:27] <RichardWolfVI> Jordan_U: How do I know
[02:27] <RichardWolfVI> ?
[02:27] <Jordan_U> RichardWolfVI, What application are you using?
[02:27] <bruce89> Jordan_U: it's Totem
[02:28] <Jordan_U> RichardWolfVI, In totem it's XV by default, try changing it with gstreamer-properties
[02:29] <RichardWolfVI> Jordan_U: Which should I use instead?
[02:30] <EagleScreen> KDE translations are failing currently in jaunty for Spanish language
[02:30] <Jordan_U> RichardWolfVI, NoXV will probably work ( slowly ) I don't think gstreamer can do openGL but if it can try that ( or use mplayer which can )
[02:31] <Jordan_U> RichardWolfVI, Also be sure to file a bug report if one hasn't been files already
[02:31] <RichardWolfVI> I used VLC, Totem and MPlayer, X crashes in all of them
[02:31] <crdlb> yeah, it's undoubtedly an XVideo problem
[02:32] <Jordan_U> RichardWolfVI, They all use XV by default, I think that mplayer is the only one that supports openGL
[02:32] <RichardWolfVI> It's kind of a bummer, I was watching HD video just before upgrading
[02:33] <Jordan_U> RichardWolfVI, You may be able to watch HD video with openGL output ( flickery if you are using compiz without UXA though )
[02:34] <RichardWolfVI> I better wait for updates and report as soon as I return to this computer
[02:34] <RichardWolfVI> hmm, I don't have time to chheck that
[02:35]  * Jordan_U Wonders if the compiz video plugin will be ported to compiz .9.x 
[02:36] <crdlb> I'm not sure there's much point in doing so
[02:36] <crdlb> it is pretty broken as implemented now
[02:38] <Jordan_U> crdlb, How so?
[02:38] <crdlb> for one, I don't think it can work with non-toplevel windows
[02:39] <crdlb> I tried making a gstreamer sink for it a while ago, but it didn't work in totem
[02:39] <crdlb> and I've heard the mplayer patch doesn't work in smplayer
[02:42] <Jordan_U> Maybe it can be re-implemented properly
[02:42] <crdlb> yeah, but why not use textured video?
[02:43] <crdlb> I also got lots of tearing on my crappy GPU
[02:43] <bruce89> what is it supposed to do?
[02:43] <crdlb> and because it's directly tied to compiz, changing the texture filter in compiz affects the video quality, which is just weird
[02:44] <crdlb> bruce89: compiz renders the video into a window
[02:44] <crdlb> it's kind of neat
[02:44] <alevine> can anybody here help me with a jaunty+intel video bug? I have a gma4500 graphics chip and after i upgraded to jaunty, xorg crashes on boot
[02:44] <crdlb> particularly back when the open source drivers couldn't do composited video even with the hardware overlay
[02:53] <racecar56> what's with the new startup sound hack?
[02:53] <bruce89> racecar56: which one?
[02:55] <racecar56> bruce89, sometimes the sound seems slower, sometimes it is normal, on intrepid it seems to do it too but _VERY_ rarely
[02:55] <racecar56> Condoulo, yay :D
[02:55] <bruce89> never noticed that
[02:56] <Condoulo> ok, here's my question. Is there any reason as to why I cannot find the Epiphany-webkit package in the repositories put into the beta? I'm in the 64-bit version btw
[02:56] <bruce89> Condoulo: it's gone
[02:56] <Jordan_U> Condoulo, There is no epiphany-webkit right now
[02:57] <bruce89> Condoulo: upstream wasn't working on the branches, Ephy will be WebKit only for 2.28
[02:57] <Condoulo> really? >.< Is there any alternative repositories I could use to install it through?
[03:00] <Condoulo> (or better question, will the intrepid package for the epiphany-webkit work)
[03:02] <bruce89> Condoulo: no and no
[03:02] <Condoulo> >.<
[03:02] <Condoulo> Thanks anyway
[03:02] <bruce89> Condoulo: you'll have to get Epiphany from SVN (or indeed git later on)
[03:02] <racecar56> bruce89, sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade didn't make me get to beta from a6
[03:03] <bruce89> racecar56: there is no such thing as alpha 6 and beta
[03:03] <racecar56> bruce89, then why do i have it
[03:03] <racecar56> bruce89, :P
[03:03] <bruce89> racecar56: a distribution is a collection of packages
[03:04] <Condoulo> I'll try Kazehakase instead then.
[03:04] <bruce89> alpha 6 is just a specific collection of versions of packages
[03:04] <racecar56> so basically all beta was is just newer packages....
[03:04] <bruce89> Condoulo: be aware the WebKit package is old
[03:05] <bruce89> racecar56: that is all distributions are
[03:05] <racecar56> bruce89, ok
[03:05] <Condoulo> >.<
[03:05] <bruce89> a CD release is just like a software release, a version number is just a tag of a specific revision
[03:06]  * Condoulo just needs a decent webkit based browser >.<
[03:07] <bruce89> Condoulo: jhbuild build epiphany-webkit
[03:08] <bruce89> if you feel like downloading and installing the dependencies of Ephy from source
[03:08] <ghindo> Condoulo: Midori?
[03:08] <Condoulo> Arora seems really nice
[03:09] <bruce89> no matter what, you've still got an old WebKit version
[03:09] <Condoulo> hmmmm.....
[03:09] <Condoulo> about how hold of a version?
[03:10] <bruce89> September last year
[03:10] <Volkodav> !schedule
[03:11] <Condoulo> bruce89, 08? So about the version that Chrome's original release used?
[03:11] <crankharder> when I updated from 8.04 -> 8.10 my computer stopped turning itself off, the whole shutdown sequence would go, it just wouldn't click off -- after upgrading to 9.04 I get the same problem except this is a different box - any ideas how to fix this?
[03:11] <bruce89> Condoulo: for the GTK+ port, it's old
[03:11] <Condoulo> ah
[03:11] <Condoulo> any reason why it hasn't been updated?
[03:11] <bruce89> Condoulo: there's a PPA called webkit-team or something
[03:11] <bruce89> Condoulo: Ubuntu's lazyness
[03:12] <Condoulo> figured.
[03:12] <bruce89> even Debian has a new one
[03:12] <Condoulo> I can tell its an old version. It doesn't do as well on the sunspider test
[03:17] <Lenin_Cat> how do I merge a bunch of folders
[03:22] <amon_> why can't i install unrar
[03:24] <myk_robinson> having an issue with Avant Window Navigator in that it sometimes gets covered by windows and does not reappear like it should. I like to have it auto hide when not i use, but pop back up when I move my mouse to the bottom. Worked fine in Intrepid. Any advice?
[03:37] <holyscott> Can someone help me with setting up samba in kubuntu jaunty 9.04 beta
[03:47] <ianm_> 9.04 feels sluggish-- is that to be expected?  debug libs or something?
[03:48] <Mulder> ianm_, intel ?
[03:48] <holyscott> can someone help me w/ getting samba started, or some type of control panel in kubuntu 9.04 jaunty beta
[03:49] <ianm_> Mulder: intel what
[03:49] <ianm_> Mulder: cpu yes
[03:49] <Mulder> gpu
[03:49] <Mulder> i'm wondering what you mean by sluggish
[03:50] <ianm_> Mulder: yes  Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
[03:50] <holyscott> how do I start samba?
[03:51] <ianm_> holyscott: I think    sudo /etc/init.d/samba start
[03:51] <Mulder> ianm_, turn off compiz. is it any better?
[03:51] <ianm_> Mulder: eg. when switching desktops, it takes seconds to redraw  (not using compiz)
[03:52] <holyscott>  * nmbd is running
[03:52] <holyscott>  * smbd is not running
[03:53] <holyscott> ianm_: that was half of it
[03:53] <holyscott> How do I start smdb?
[03:54] <ianm_> Mulder: that's an exaggeration-- but I do see each app redraw one after another.  maybe 700ms total.  on a Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T7300  @ 2.00GHz  ??
[03:55] <ianm_> Mulder: well I was just wondering if running a pre-release has debug settings turned on or anything.  this is the first pre-release I've used
[04:03] <bjsnider> why the heck does it take longer for the vm to build i386 binaries than amd64 binaries
[04:09] <holyscott> in my packagekit, do I want to be getting the samba items, or samba4? for basic linux to linux file sharing
[04:16] <Mulder> ianm_, the intel driver is having issues
[04:23] <ianm_> Mulder: hmm yes, among them http://openanswers.org/bug-1.png (through bug-5)
[04:25] <marshall> sup jaunties?
[04:38] <ice-nine> been using 9.04 for about a week now and must admit that things have come a long way.  All of my hardware has worked with exception to mixing an nvidia 260 and nvidia 6150 video cards for a triple monitor system.
[04:39] <ice-nine> Suspend and hibernate are both successful on my laptop, and when resuming, wireless comes up successfully, and so does sound!
[04:39] <ice-nine> The switch between the headphone jack and speakers on my laptop is also successful.  :)
[04:40] <ice-nine> One item I miss is amarok 1.4.
[04:41] <usser> word on the street amarok is not that good anyway
[04:52] <BHSPitMonkey> Anyone else see "Npviewer.bin crashed" messages often in amd64 jaunty?
[04:54] <bjsnider> BHSPitMonkey, remove nspluginwrapper
[04:54] <bjsnider> it is unnecessary
[04:54] <bjsnider> and amd64
[04:54] <BHSPitMonkey> bjsnider, and I need to install flash manually then?
[04:55] <bjsnider> just install flashplugin-nonfree
[04:55] <BHSPitMonkey> flashplugin-nonfree depends on it.
[04:55] <BHSPitMonkey> (on nspluginwrapper)
[04:55] <bjsnider> it shouldn't depend on it for amd64. if it does they screwed up
[04:57] <bjsnider> you can install it manually if you want. it's pretty easy. put the libflashplugin.so file in /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plguins
[05:03] <pHreaksYcle1> my nautilus is boned, when i boot up, i cannot start nautilus from command line, from GUI, there is no desktop folder built into my wallpaper. I deleted the gnome config folders, also the nautilus config folder to no avail. submitted a bug, but i dont think i categorized it correctly. ideas please? i've been at this for a few hours now, it's starting to grind me :)
[05:03] <evilaim> ok, I'm happy as hell.
[05:04] <evilaim> It took a tiny bit of work, but I now have ubuntu 9.04 64bit ext4 installed
[05:05] <pHreaksYcle1> anyone have any ideas for me?
[05:05] <evilaim> Just for your info, when you first install this setup, NVidia users might find issues running your card.  Try and: sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:05] <evilaim> that worked great for me.
[05:05] <evilaim> I now have compiz, and everything up and running.
[05:05] <evilaim> only issues I've had is with python.  And that was easily fixed by searching google.
[05:05] <pHreaksYcle1> evilaim: no problems with nautilus then?
[05:06] <evilaim> not as of yet
[05:06] <evilaim> or at least nothing I've noticed.
[05:06] <evilaim> altho, I have a big issue with 1 thing...
[05:06] <pHreaksYcle1> evilaim: well, lucky you. trust me, you would notice this bug, it's a show stopper.
[05:06] <evilaim> I have a 500 Meg external.
[05:06] <pHreaksYcle1> Gig?
[05:06] <evilaim> ya, sorry
[05:07] <pHreaksYcle1> lul s'ok
[05:07] <evilaim> and it's only showing as 162 gig...
[05:07] <pHreaksYcle1> format it?
[05:07] <bjsnider> RAOF, why does it take longer for the build system to build i386 binaries than it does to build amd64 binaries?
[05:07] <evilaim> it won't even take data...
[05:07] <evilaim> ext4
[05:07] <evilaim> er
[05:07] <evilaim> ext3
[05:07] <pHreaksYcle1> permissions?
[05:07] <evilaim> doubtful
[05:07] <pHreaksYcle1> meh. who am i kidding? i can't even make my desktop work
[05:07] <RAOF> bjsnider: Often because there's more i386 packages to build; all the arch: all packages go on i386 buildds, too.
[05:07] <evilaim> hahaha
[05:08] <evilaim> Well, I'm highly confused...
[05:08] <evilaim> So, ya, theres one flaw.
[05:08] <evilaim> actually, it's on both hard drives..
[05:08] <evilaim> haha
[05:08] <evilaim> even my main hdd doesn't show full values.
[05:08] <evilaim> I have 400 gigs.
[05:08] <bjsnider> RAOF, no, i mean if you're sending something in to the ppa system, you want all archs, but the slowest build is the i386
[05:09] <evilaim> http://pastebin.com/m282fc9b0 <--- I have 400 gigs on my main and a 500 gig external.
[05:09] <evilaim> even my 400 gig external is showing a bit less
[05:09] <RAOF> bjsnider: Again, because there are more packages for the i386 buildds to build.
[05:09] <evilaim> actually, never mind, it's fixed... but the external still is shirt
[05:09] <evilaim> short*
[05:10] <RAOF> bjsnider: For example: many/most packages using VM and interpreted languages aren't built at all on anything but the i386 buildds.  The i386 buildds just have a bigger workload.
[05:16] <pHreaksYcle1> is anyone here a developer?
[05:17] <pHreaksYcle1> i could really use an expert point of view here. . .
[05:18] <damnubuntu> check the irc channels for a developers channel
[05:18] <evilaim> haha
[05:18] <evilaim> pHreaksYcle1: just ask
[05:18] <pHreaksYcle1> evilaim: what, ask my question again?
[05:19] <evilaim> sure, I musta missed it
[05:19] <pHreaksYcle1> my nautilus is boned, when i boot up, i cannot start nautilus from command line, from GUI, there is no desktop folder built into my wallpaper. I deleted the gnome config folders, also the nautilus config folder to no avail. submitted a bug, but i dont think i categorized it correctly. ideas please? i've been at this for a few hours now,
[05:20] <evilaim> Hmm, ok, so you've installed which ubuntu 9.04?
[05:20] <evilaim> desktop, server, 32 or 60?
[05:20] <evilaim> er 64*
[05:20] <pHreaksYcle1> 32
[05:20] <pHreaksYcle1> desktop
[05:20] <bjsnider> pHreaksYcle1, does it work out of a brand new user account?
[05:20] <evilaim> So, you open terminal, and type nautilus, what do you get?
[05:21] <evilaim> and have you done sudo apt-get upgrade?
[05:22] <pHreaksYcle1> i went through update manager
[05:22] <pHreaksYcle1> does that matter?
[05:22] <evilaim> oh...
[05:22] <evilaim> you didn't clean install?
[05:22] <pHreaksYcle1> no, i mean for the updates
[05:22] <pHreaksYcle1> i always clean install, what do i look like, bill gates?
[05:22] <evilaim> I'd try the upgrade.
[05:22] <evilaim> it has worked on most of the issues I faced...
[05:23] <pHreaksYcle1> the command line version? sure, why the hell not. gimme a second
[05:23] <evilaim> :)
[05:23] <evilaim> it's just to check your basis.
[05:23] <pHreaksYcle1> bjsnider: ill check that out in a second, that sounds like it may work
[05:24] <pHreaksYcle1> evilaim: 0 0 0 0
[05:24] <bjsnider> there are a number of hidden files and directories in your home directory. if gnome thinks the settings amount to nonsense, it can cause bizarre problems
[05:24] <pHreaksYcle1> nothin man
[05:24] <pHreaksYcle1> im about to create a new user, brb
[05:26] <pHreaksYcle1> I've never actually done this before, what group should i set the user in?
[05:26] <pHreaksYcle1> the new one
[05:26] <bjsnider> the user and group should be the same
[05:27] <pHreaksYcle1> bjsnider: for my brand new user im creating, it is blank by default
[05:27] <evilaim> pHreaksYcle1: but what you do you get when you run nautilus from terminal?
[05:27] <evilaim> any errors?
[05:27] <pHreaksYcle1> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[05:27] <bjsnider> pHreaksYcle1, what's blank?
[05:27] <pHreaksYcle1> didn't say that before though, good to see some change
[05:27] <evilaim> can you paste the full error?
[05:28] <pHreaksYcle1> im afraid that's all it gives my friend
[05:28] <evilaim> oh...
[05:28] <pHreaksYcle1> bjsnider: the selection for "group" is blank. i need to choose one i guess. under the advanced tab of the new user account application
[05:29] <evilaim> interesting
[05:29] <pHreaksYcle1> to you :)
[05:30] <pHreaksYcle1> i knew i should have just given these idiots 8.10 and let them deal
[05:30] <bjsnider> pHreaksYcle1, just type the username, type a password and click ok
[05:30] <pHreaksYcle1> bjsnider, you're the boss
[05:30] <evilaim> ph: sudo apt-get remove nautiful
[05:30] <evilaim> god damnit
[05:30] <evilaim> ph: sudo apt-get remove nautilus
[05:30] <pHreaksYcle1> lmao
[05:30] <pHreaksYcle1> okay
[05:30] <pHreaksYcle1> well, let me try to log into this new account first
[05:30] <pHreaksYcle1> then that
[05:30] <evilaim> :)
[05:30] <pHreaksYcle1> bjsnider: was quicker on the draw brb
[05:31] <evilaim> ph, I'm going to solve your issue!
[05:32] <pHreaksYcle1> evilaim: lol, why ph?
[05:32] <pHreaksYcle1> evilaim: and i'm glad to hear that, thanks man.
[05:33] <pHreaksYcle1> evilaim: type phr then hit tab
[05:33] <evilaim> haha
[05:33] <evilaim> I understand how to chat:)
[05:33] <pHreaksYcle1> idk if you knew that :)
[05:33] <evilaim> haha
[05:33] <pHreaksYcle1> im assuming that means you did
[05:34] <evilaim> I'm running ubuntu 9.04 64bit ext4... I might understand a few things;)
[05:34] <pHreaksYcle1> okay, well, the result of the new user was ultimate failure
[05:34] <pHreaksYcle1> i don't even get a wallpaper
[05:34] <evilaim> hmm
[05:34] <pHreaksYcle1> im going to reinstall nautilus
[05:35] <pHreaksYcle1> then logout and in
[05:35] <pHreaksYcle1> standby
[05:37] <pHreaksYcle1> yeah, that's a fail im afraid. . .
[05:38] <pHreaksYcle1> i should probably just reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[05:38] <pHreaksYcle1> it's a fresh install, i have nothing to lose
[05:38] <pHreaksYcle1> but pride
[05:39] <pHreaksYcle1> evilaim: still there?
[05:39] <bjsnider> pHreaksYcle1, that's a clean install?
[05:39] <evilaim> ya, sorry.
[05:40] <evilaim> Really?
[05:40] <pHreaksYcle1> bjsnider: clean install, with flash and updates. period.
[05:40] <evilaim> you removed nautilus and reinstalled?
[05:40] <pHreaksYcle1> evilaim: yep.
[05:40] <bjsnider> pHreaksYcle1, i wouldn't trust the cd you burned
[05:40] <pHreaksYcle1> bjsnider: well, damnit.
[05:41] <pHreaksYcle1> bjsnider: so a reinstall is in order?
[05:41]  * pHreaksYcle1 winces
[05:41] <evilaim> the cd?
[05:41] <pHreaksYcle1> evilaim: i know what he means. if it's this boned without me playing with it, CD must be shit
[05:41] <evilaim> This prolly has nothing to do with the media installed from.  Usually if it's corrupt it wouldn't load:)
[05:42] <evilaim> what did you install from?
[05:42] <evilaim> 9.04 beta?
[05:42] <pHreaksYcle1> evilaim: CD
[05:42] <pHreaksYcle1> evilaim: yeah. is there any other way?
[05:42] <evilaim> alpha?
[05:42] <pHreaksYcle1> evilaim: ah. right.
[05:42] <evilaim> :)
[05:42] <pHreaksYcle1> evilaim: no, this was beta.
[05:42] <evilaim> interesting...
[05:43] <pHreaksYcle1> bjsnider:  evilaim: hahah. i have a USB drive prepped right here to reinstall. just say the word and i won't even sleep tonight.
[05:43] <evilaim> That's completely weird..
[05:43] <bjsnider> pHreaksYcle1, i don't see what the big deal on doing a full osri is
[05:44] <pHreaksYcle1> bjsnider: time, i'm a, let's call it "dependent", as in, my parents are going to beat my ass if they find me awake at this hour, which is quarter to 1AM here.
[05:45] <evilaim> I still don't understand that...
[05:45] <evilaim> you've removed nautilus and reinstalled..
[05:45] <evilaim> if anything that would fix it
[05:45] <bjsnider> pHreaksYcle1, is the world ending tonight? because as far as i know the sun will come up tomorrow
[05:45] <pHreaksYcle1> evilaim: didn't reinstall yet :)
[05:45] <pHreaksYcle1> bjsnider: indeed it will. and off to school i go, and the desktop stays here.
[05:45] <pHreaksYcle1> i reinstall tonight
[05:46] <pHreaksYcle1> wish me luck, here it goes.
[05:46] <pHreaksYcle1> im not going to attempt this without a blessing
[05:47] <bjsnider> attempt what?
[05:47] <pHreaksYcle1> evilaim:  bjsnider: a reinstall. i'm just being dramatic. thanks for your help so far, ill be back when the (new) install is done. this time off a USB drive
[05:48] <evilaim> pHreaksYcle1: you didn't reinstall naut?
[05:48] <pHreaksYcle1> evilaim: lol we're confusing each other. i reinstall nautilus. just not the whole OS
[05:48] <evilaim> ok
[05:48] <evilaim> :)
[05:48] <pHreaksYcle1> but NOW, im reinstalling the OS
[05:48] <pHreaksYcle1> we on the same page?
[05:48] <bjsnider> you can yank out all of the gnome packages and reinstall them
[05:49] <pHreaksYcle1> like gnome-desktop?
[05:49] <pHreaksYcle1> er. ubuntu-desktop
[05:49] <bjsnider> no, that's just one package
[05:49] <pHreaksYcle1> isn't it a dummy for a bunch though?
[05:49] <bjsnider> you can use synaptic to remove anything with gnome's name on it
[05:50] <bjsnider> then install the ubuntu-desktop package which will pull them all down again
[05:50] <pHreaksYcle1> bjsnider: sure, what the hell, why not. hang on.
[05:50] <bjsnider> evilaim, you're wrong about the cd. it can have a very small flaw and yet still boot, and apparently work
[05:51] <pHreaksYcle1> bjsnider: is there a particular way to get rid of more than one at once?
[05:52] <evilaim> wild card
[05:52] <evilaim> *
[05:52] <evilaim> it's evil
[05:52] <pHreaksYcle1> okay
[05:52] <corey> Hi guys, I have Kubuntu 9.04 beta installed which is working fine, but it seems to not have pulse audio installed, so I installed it and started it with autostart using the command pulseaudio -D. however it doesnt seem to be active, it seems to still be alsa, and therofr cant use more than one applicaion using sound. can anyone help?
[05:52] <pHreaksYcle1> isn't there a kubuntu channel. . .?
[05:52] <corey> not for 9.04
[05:52] <pHreaksYcle1> well, that sucks
[05:53] <corey> it forwards to this channel
[05:53] <pHreaksYcle1> good luck
[05:53] <danbhfive> pHreaksYcle1: here is a somewhat crazy command you can use to reinstall stuff: sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop^
[05:53] <pHreaksYcle1> ^?
[05:53] <bjsnider> will that reinstall everything or just that one package?
[05:54] <pHreaksYcle1> bjsnider: yeah, im almost positive it junks everything
[05:54] <pHreaksYcle1> bjsnider: that one package is linked to the rest somehow
[05:54] <bjsnider> i understand that
[05:55] <bjsnider> but you can remove it all by itself
[05:55] <pHreaksYcle1> The following extra packages will be installed:
[05:55] <pHreaksYcle1>   ekiga libopal3.6.1 libpt2.6.1 libpt2.6.1-plugins-alsa
[05:55] <pHreaksYcle1>   libpt2.6.1-plugins-v4l2 libxml-xpathengine-perl nautilus-share
[05:55] <pHreaksYcle1>   ubuntu-desktop
[05:55] <pHreaksYcle1> Suggested packages:
[05:55] <pHreaksYcle1>   siproxd gnugk mediaproxy ser openser rtpproxy asterisk yate callweaver samba
[05:55] <pHreaksYcle1> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[05:55] <pHreaksYcle1>   libopal3.4.2 libpt2.4.2 libpt2.4.2-plugins-alsa libpt2.4.2-plugins-v4l2
[05:55] <pHreaksYcle1> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[05:55] <pHreaksYcle1>   ekiga libopal3.6.1 libpt2.6.1 libpt2.6.1-plugins-alsa
[05:55] <pHreaksYcle1>   libpt2.6.1-plugins-v4l2 libxml-xpathengine-perl nautilus-share
[05:55] <pHreaksYcle1>   ubuntu-desktop
[05:55] <pHreaksYcle1> :-/ sorry about all that. . .
[05:56] <bjsnider> you didn't have nautilus-share
[05:56] <pHreaksYcle1> exactl;y
[05:56] <danbhfive> bjsnider: it reinstalls everything under the ubuntu-desktop task
[05:56] <pHreaksYcle1> bjsnider: that's what i was trying to draw attention to, instead sent a text bomb :)
[05:56] <pHreaksYcle1> danbhfive: congrats, it seems you have saved me a OSRI
[05:56] <bjsnider> danbhfive, not thru synaptic. i just tried it
[05:57] <danbhfive> bjsnider: through synaptic?
[05:57] <danbhfive> bjsnider: I dunno.  I've never tried to run tasks through synaptic.
[05:57] <pHreaksYcle1> bjsnider: sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop^ is working.
[05:57] <pHreaksYcle1> i still dont know what the hell ^ is for
[05:58] <bjsnider> danbhfive, mark for reinstallation only installs the one package in synaptic
[05:58] <danbhfive> bjsnider: did you include the ^?
[05:58] <pHreaksYcle1> bjsnider: ah. that's what it's for.
[05:58] <danbhfive> bjsnider: oops, you are still in synaptic
[05:58] <pHreaksYcle1> er i mean.
[05:59] <pHreaksYcle1> danbhfive: that's what the ^ is for. like a staple for that one package to the rest
[05:59] <danbhfive> no
[05:59] <danbhfive> not wuite
[05:59] <danbhfive> *quite
[05:59] <pHreaksYcle1> danbhfive: well, whatever it is, it's working.
[05:59] <pHreaksYcle1> danbhfive: explain, im interested
[06:00] <danbhfive> ubuntu-desktop^ != ubuntu-desktop
[06:00] <danbhfive> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^ == sudo tasksel install ubuntu-desktop
[06:01] <pHreaksYcle1> kay.
[06:01] <pHreaksYcle1> thanks
[06:01] <danbhfive> that being said, all I can do is point you to the man page for tasksel.  I've had trouble fully understanding how tasks are put together, and I can't find documentation
[06:01] <evilaim> my only issue is I can't understand how 1 package can be corrupt, while nothing else is.
[06:02] <evilaim> If he downloaded the same as everyone else then it shouldn't matter.
[06:02] <pHreaksYcle1> evilaim: not corrupt, just didn't get copied or something. it's plain-old not there
[06:02] <evilaim> but can you start naut at all?
[06:02] <evilaim> via GUI?
[06:02] <pHreaksYcle1> i haven't gotten all this junk reinstalled yet
[06:03] <pHreaksYcle1> no i cannot
[06:03] <evilaim> oh, I thought you said via GUI you can but desktop isn't there...
[06:03] <bjsnider> danbhfive, now, if i use the remove command with the symbol, will it completely blow away all packages associated with ubuntu-desktop?
[06:04] <bjsnider> danbhfive, are you daniel holbach?
[06:04] <danbhfive> bjsnider: hehe, yes it will!!!   And in a very bad way.  Go for it.  You will get a prompt saying that you are going to really screw up your system  :p
[06:05] <danbhfive> no, absolutely not
[06:05] <bjsnider> you're _not_ daniel holbach. that's the story, right?
[06:06] <danbhfive> exactly, Im just a user.  So, take what I say with a grain of salt.  I think he goes by dholbach
[06:06] <bjsnider> well, i think it's an international conspiracy
[06:07] <corey> Hey, does anyone know how to enable pulse audio on 9.04 beta?
[06:07] <pHreaksYcle1> reinstall
[06:07] <pHreaksYcle1> lol, just kidding (maybe not)
[06:07] <corey> ...that wouldnt work
[06:08] <corey> since it wasnt even installed from a fresh install
[06:08] <bjsnider> it was if you're using gnome
[06:08] <corey> i have gnome
[06:08] <corey> i'm using it right now
[06:08] <bjsnider> if not better ask in the #kubuntu channel
[06:09] <bjsnider> pulseaudio is installed during a clean install. if itwasn't you've got issues that go beyond not having pulseaudio
[06:10] <corey> not really since everything else is working great
[06:10] <bjsnider> ok, whatever
[06:10] <corey> sound works, it jsut wont work with two or more applications...hense no pulseaudio
[06:18] <pHreaksYcle1> corey: that sucks man.
[06:18] <pHreaksYcle1> corey: ubuntu works pretty well at that.
[06:18] <pHreaksYcle1> lul.
[06:19] <corey> hmm, is there any way i can see if pulse audio is in fact running and is being used, because i cant really tell, all i know is that there is no multiple sound support
[06:19] <bjsnider> corey, install libpulse0
[06:20] <bjsnider> and libpulsecore9
[06:20] <corey> they are already installed
[06:20] <bjsnider> then you have pulseaudio alredy
[06:21] <corey> i think i had to install them to get pulse audio
[06:21] <corey> yes, i manually installed the packages
[06:21] <pHreaksYcle1> corey: check out your processes list. pulseaudio is the name of the process
[06:21] <corey> but i dont think pulse audio is being used
[06:21] <corey> it is there
[06:21] <corey> i checked
[06:21] <pHreaksYcle1> well, then it's running
[06:21] <pHreaksYcle1> corey: something's f'ed.
[06:21] <corey> ok, so then why is multiple sounds not working?
[06:22] <pHreaksYcle1> corey: you tell me. i'm just telling you it's running. perhaps config is wrong etc
[06:22] <pHreaksYcle1> corey: notice how i don't support nor use kubunut :)
[06:22] <corey> well, i'm on gnoem atm
[06:22] <corey> gnome*
[06:23] <bjsnider> corey, go to preferences>sound. change sound playback to pulseaudio sound server. click test. if you hear something, pulseaudio is running
[06:23] <pHreaksYcle1> corey: indeed.
[06:23] <corey> yes i did that, and it works
[06:23] <Halow> corey: Install padevchooer. Use the Pulseaudio Volume Control it brings to see if it's opening streams for each program.
[06:24] <pHreaksYcle1> bjsnider: these packages are almost done circlejerking. i will see how well this works soon enough. thx for your help btw.
[06:24] <bjsnider> corey, if the application is using oss, it would block anything else from using sound
[06:24] <corey> ok hold on, padevcooer isnt in the repo
[06:24] <bjsnider> padevchooser
[06:25] <corey> padechooser**
[06:25] <corey> i copy and pasted it didnt find anything
[06:25] <Halow> Oops. I typoed, huh? This is what I get for being up late.
[06:25] <Halow> padevchooser it should be.
[06:25] <corey> oh aha yeah, it works now
[06:25] <dtchen> corey: pulseaudio is enabled in the default Ubuntu install
[06:25] <keanu> ooh, pulseaudio discussion
[06:26] <keanu> just what I was interested in
[06:26] <corey> appearently not in kubuntu beta
[06:26] <bjsnider> dtchen, i already told him, but he doesn't believe me
[06:26] <bjsnider> right, kubuntu doesn't sue pulseaudio by default
[06:26] <keanu> firefox seems to freeze after about 5 minutes when playing a youtube video
[06:26] <keanu> thinking it might be an issue with PA
[06:26] <dtchen> corey: it ships in daily and the dvd, but it's not enabled unless you do something extra (like pull in amarok extra bits)
[06:27] <pHreaksYcle1> keanu: firefox sucks. i use it exclusively but it leaks memory like a mother.
[06:27] <corey> hmm
[06:27] <bjsnider> keanu, you on 32 bit?
[06:27] <keanu> bjsnider, yeah
[06:27] <bjsnider> too bad. you need nspluginwrapper
[06:27] <corey> i'm starting to think i'll just download the gnome version and install it, then install the kubuntu packages...this is a hassle
[06:27] <dtchen> keanu: are you using flashplugin-nonfree or adobe-flashplugin ?
[06:27] <corey> the gnome cd i mean
[06:28] <pHreaksYcle1> corey: good man.
[06:28] <keanu> dtchen, not sure, tbh
[06:28] <dtchen> keanu: dpkg -l flashplugin-nonfree adobe-flashplugin|grep ^ii
[06:28] <keanu> flashplugin-nonfree
[06:28] <corey> alright i'll go do that, thanks everyone
[06:29] <pHreaksYcle1> man, kubuntu people are mean
[06:29] <evilaim> haha
[06:29] <pHreaksYcle1> :)
[06:29] <dtchen> keanu: are you running the latest kernel? 2.6.28-11.40-generic
[06:30] <bjsnider> kubuntu uses phonon instead of pulseaudio
[06:30] <dtchen> keanu: (see `cat /proc/version_signature')
[06:30] <dtchen> bjsnider: phonon is just an abstraction; it can use ALSA directly or PulseAudio. In fact, in Kubuntu, ALSA is preferred, but it will fall back to PulseAudio.
[06:30] <keanu> dtchen, yeah
[06:31] <dtchen> bjsnider: the underlying backends for Phonon in Kubuntu are Xine (default) and GSt
[06:31] <dtchen> keanu: please reproduce the issue while running pulseaudio -vv
[06:31] <dtchen> keanu: you'll need to killall pulseaudio;pulseaudio -vv  (and leave it running in the foreground in a Terminal)
[06:32] <keanu> dtchen, k
[06:32] <pHreaksYcle1> reproduce means do it again
[06:32] <pHreaksYcle1> i looked that up
[06:32] <pHreaksYcle1> just kidding
[06:32] <bjsnider> keanu, what cpu is in that rig?
[06:32] <keanu> bjsnider, model name	: Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual  CPU  T2330  @ 1.60GHz
[06:32] <keanu> (Dell inspiron 1525 laptop)
[06:34] <keanu> dtchen, btw, when firefox crashes, pulseaudio is still fine - i can restart firefox and go back to the youtube video and have it play fine without restarting PTA
[06:34] <keanu> *PA
[06:35] <bjsnider> keanu, you can go to the amd64 build any time you want, where you'll have the flash plugin with native pulseaudio support
[06:35] <keanu> bjsnider, what do you mean?
[06:36] <bjsnider> adobe released a 64-bit alpha flash plugin for linux that has built-in pulseaudio support. it doesn't need nspluginwrapper
[06:36] <keanu> ah, k
[06:37] <bjsnider> i am using it now. it never crashes
[06:37] <keanu> nice
[06:37] <keanu> hmm...i upgraded from 8.10 on my laptop, but would switching to 64-bit require me to reinstall?
[06:37] <bjsnider> yes it would
[06:37] <mikedep333> hey, this bug affects me a lot and I think it was ignored for Intrepid and is being ignored for Jaunty. Is there anyway I can make sure that it is noticed?
[06:37] <mikedep333> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-vpnc/+bug/207506
[06:39] <pHreaksYcle1> mikedep333: find someone who knows what they're talking about in IRC, on the forum find SOMEONE to piggyback on. lots of helpful people around.
[06:40] <pHreaksYcle1> if you can get someone interested in your problem, chances are it WILL get fixed
[06:41] <pHreaksYcle1> mikedep333: sorry i can't be of more assistance, i know how frustrating it is.
[06:41] <mikedep333>  pHreaksYcle1: Is there a team responsible for network manager or VPNs?
[06:41] <mikedep333> I see the ubuntu-kernel-network team
[06:42] <mikedep333> and ubuntu-gnome
[06:42] <pHreaksYcle1> mikedep333: offhand, not sure. let me use my google-fu though
[06:43] <pHreaksYcle1> mikedep333: here, go bug people here http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/
[06:43] <pHreaksYcle1> :)
[06:43] <mikedep333> yeah, I saw that site
[06:43] <pHreaksYcle1> more specifically, here
[06:43] <pHreaksYcle1> http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/developers/
[06:44] <mikedep333> C isn't my specialty but I suppose I can look into the bug myself
[06:44] <mikedep333> I can't seem to find the source package
[06:44] <pHreaksYcle1> mikedep333: anyway, i have to go, good luck man.
[06:45] <mikedep333> thx
[06:46] <keanu> dtchen, pulseaudio output from start until firefox froze, for what it's worth - http://pastebin.com/d3d712139
[06:47] <keanu> (without nspluginwrapper
[06:54] <keanu> dtchen, even with nspluginwrapper, firefox still seems to freeze
[07:00] <calc> new OOo 3.0.1-9ubuntu1 being uploaded in about 2hr (might be final for 9.04)
[07:04] <evilaim> umm
[07:04] <evilaim> shouldn't it be an RC?
[07:07] <calc> evilaim: eh?
[07:07] <calc> evilaim: final freeze is thursday
[07:07] <calc> evilaim: so the 3.0.1-9ubuntu1 will be last unless a very serious bug is found
[07:08] <evilaim> alrighty
[07:08] <calc> evilaim: ubuntu rc goes out thursday after next (apr 16)
[07:08] <calc> but nothing should be changing except for critical bugs after apr 9
[07:10] <calc> which also means i should have OOo 3.1.0 debs available soon for testing for karmic
[07:11]  * calc gone to bed
[07:11] <dlynch> I'm installing the beta CD of Kubuntu, and at the 90% mark, when checking hardware, it seems to abort the install and boot into the live CD environment, failing to install a bootloader etc. What is the work around for this problem? (Ubuntu does the same thing)
[07:11] <keanu> also, question about the flash issue in firefox - if the finalfreeze is three days away, would that bug remain in firefox?
[07:12] <evilaim> I don't have any issues with flash..
[07:12] <keanu> weird
[07:12] <evilaim> works mint
[07:13] <calc> keanu: firefox doesn't freeze for me, but flash is always crashing, flash is a buggy pos
[07:13] <keanu> about 45 mins ago i was talking about how firefox freezes within 5 minutes when playing youtube videos
[07:13] <keanu> (happened only after update)
[07:13] <calc> hmm
[07:13]  * calc has never seen firefox hang from flash bugs, just seen flash itself crash constantly
[07:13] <keanu> calc, firefox pretty much freezes for me - has the faded screen stuff, requiring a kill
[07:14] <calc> oh :\
[07:14] <calc> keanu: if you can help track it down it and can get fixed it would go in after final freeze
[07:14] <evilaim> run firefox from terminal
[07:14] <evilaim> see if you get an error from there
[07:14] <calc> final freeze still has exceptions for crashers afaik
[07:14] <keanu> evilaim, tried that, and nothing appeared
[07:15] <keanu> aside from "Killed" when I killed it
[07:15] <keanu> unless there's a verbose option
[07:15] <calc> goodnight guys, i have to go to bed, need to be up in ~ 8hr
[07:15] <keanu> k
[07:16] <evilaim> ya, I'm outti
[07:16] <evilaim> I'm up in 6
[07:16] <keanu> also, in /var/log/messages - Apr  6 01:50:34 inspiron1525 kernel: [13070.245784] hda-intel: IRQ timing workaround is activated for card #0. Suggest a bigger bdl_pos_adj.
[08:02] <amar> I have installed Jaunty Beta .. Suggest a nice and stable Download Manager with resume download support.. in vista I was using FDM ...
[08:14] <amar> Hey..guys suggest a download manager plz...
[08:17] <crdlb> wget? :>
[08:20] <amar> crdlb: is it cmdline or with a GUI?
[08:20] <crdlb> the former
[08:20] <Veovis> Hi, I have a quick question, probably pretty stupid.
[08:21] <Veovis> I enabled proprietary drivers in 8.10 okay a few months ago, but I'm not sure how to here...
[08:21] <Veovis> My wireless driver says that it is activated, but not currently in use.
[08:21] <amar> crdlb: I just found sth.. Gwget ....... it's GUI for Gnome....right??
[08:21] <crdlb> sounds like it
[08:22] <Veovis> I'd like to get my drivers working for wireless, without them, there's not much point to a laptop
[08:23] <amar> Veovis: Try wi-fi radar.. when I had trouble with 8.10 .. I used it and it worked fine.... However Jaunty Beta seems pretty fine..i'm using it roght now
[08:24] <amar> crdlb:  and hey any suggestions for a Feed Reader?? On windows i had feeddemon and I loved it... I am a offline reader.. don't have net at home..so ..any nams..?
[08:24] <Veovis> amar: I'll look it up, thanks.
[08:25] <crdlb> amar: give liferea a shot
[08:25] <Veovis> amar: and I'm not sure how it is in Ubuntu, but in Vista and Leopard, I use Opera for feeds, it works pretty well
[08:26] <amar> crdlb: actually that's in download right now.. i thought i could get another reco.. :) ..anyway thanks..then i will stick with liferea...
[08:27] <amar> Veovis:  on vista feed demon was perfect for me.. it synchronises with their newsgator server...they have acquired a mac cleant..I'm waiting for their linux reader....anyway thanks
[08:28] <Veovis> amar: no problem, just suggesting....
[08:49] <Myxb> anyone have a problem with switching to console (ctrl+alt+f[1-6])? i can get there only the second time i press the key combination. on the first press i see the console for a moment and return to the x's immediately
[09:07] <koperton> wth now i can 't play my video X restart
[09:26] <toomai> anyone experienced with alsa? I would like to find out what version is running (installed 1.0.18 with jaunty and used a script to install 1.0.19)
[09:28] <jeiworth> toomai: $ alsactl --version
[09:29] <toomai> jeiworth: thanks...
[09:30] <toomai> alsa 1.0.19 seems to work with my Intel HD Auio stuff...it did yesterday (rebooted two or three times, alwas worked). Today it does not anymore...might a new update borked the installation? I might try and install that 1.0.19 again...however, it says it is used
[09:32] <jeiworth> toomai: having sound problems wirh an hp-laptop? ;)
[09:36] <toomai> jeiworth: no, with a barebone from asus...:)
[09:36] <toomai> jeiworth: its the ICH10 chipset....with the newer intel hd audio stuff on it...it worked like a charm yesterday...now...it is just gone.
[09:37] <toomai> jeiworth: maybe it was an update or it was me doing something wrong...I am just a little confused
[09:38] <jeiworth> ah kk, anyway, i had no sound with my intel hda after upgrading to jaunty, setting options snd-hda-intel model=hp-dv5 in the /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf resolved it, dv5 being my laptop model
[09:39] <nikolam> Hi to all.
[09:39] <nikolam> I would like to mount ext4 partition on Hardy.
[09:40] <nikolam> I installed Jaunty for testing on ext4 and I have some data on it I want to transfer to Hardy
[09:42] <RAOF_> nikolam: Well, that's going to be difficult; you'll need a newer kernel for Hardy.
[09:48] <Unksi> nikolam: you could use jaunty livecd to transfer data to hardy if you cant boot up jaunty
[10:04] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[10:12] <balachmar> Hi, I guess bugs #337926 and #321444 are caused by the same problem (duplicates) However, I seem to be unable to mark it that way. Also bug #337926 contains a link to a patch.
[10:13] <balachmar> I don't know if anyone is working on this, else I would like to give it a try to fix this bug, this evening. (7 hours from now)
[10:18] <koperton> -->atheros sucks
[10:18] <koperton> ---_>now i can't play my video
[10:18] <koperton> X restarts :S
[10:20] <ActionParsnip> i love atheros, my Atheros AR5001X+ works out of the box :)
[10:21] <ActionParsnip> koperton: kill your xserver and read through   dmesg | less
[10:21] <koperton> ActionParsnip: my sick atheros ar5006 sucks with kubuntu 9.04
[10:21] <koperton> xD
[10:21] <koperton> anyway i love 9.04
[10:21] <koperton> it's pretty and fast
[10:21] <ActionParsnip> me too, its slick
[10:21] <koperton> with ext4
[10:22] <ActionParsnip> not bothered for ext4 just yet but may look into it later
[10:22] <ActionParsnip> haha @ pretty
[10:22] <koperton> just a moment a go to make a crash
[10:25] <koperton> ActionParsnip: http://pastebin.ca/S:1383578
[10:29] <ActionParsnip> koperton: can you pastebin the output of: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart; dmesg | tail
[10:31] <ActionParsnip> koperton: have you tried a different burning app?
[10:32] <ActionParsnip> koperton: the fact it plays on everything else is good, i'd look at updating / changing something in the 1 thing thats not playing nice
[10:46] <koperton> ActionParsnip: burnin app? none , just updated and tried to play a video (ogg)
[10:47] <koperton> ActionParsnip: http://pastebin.ca/S:1383583
[10:48] <koperton> *ogv
[10:50] <error404notfound> OMG, every half an hour there are 5-10 new updates...
[10:50] <error404notfound> how active ubuntu community really is? :P
[10:50] <koperton> xD
[10:50] <topyli> you don't actually have to update all the time :)
[10:51] <koperton> i am just writing my damned script to compile kdenlive
[10:51] <error404notfound> well I do, I have some application crashing so I was wishing to get those fixed asap..
[10:51] <error404notfound> :d
[10:52] <error404notfound> kdenlive? /me wonders what's that...
[10:52] <koperton> video editor
[10:52] <koperton> and now it works here :)
[10:52] <error404notfound> hmmm, what about other open source video editors, there was a really good one, damn, I just forgot its name..
[10:53] <error404notfound> kino, or something like that..
[10:53] <koperton> kino is old
[10:53] <dns53> blender is suppose to be good
[10:53] <koperton> blender it's good
[10:53] <koperton> but it has not frei0r plugin
[10:53] <koperton> and a lots of stuff
[10:54] <koperton> like titler
[10:54] <ActionParsnip> koperton: looks like an issue with libQtDBus.so.4.5.0
[10:54] <koperton> ActionParsnip: i have seen yea
[10:54] <error404notfound> hmmm, when I tried it, it was new... say somewhere when I got hardy if I remember correctly..
[10:54] <ActionParsnip> koperton: i'd look into that   see what error 4 is
[11:12] <eagles0513875> hey guys i am a problem with a package not being installed complete
[11:12] <eagles0513875> its an updated package
[11:16] <koperton> sudo apt-get update
[11:17] <darthanubis> eagles0513875, hotkey-setup?
[11:17] <darthanubis> bug 140967
[11:22] <eagles0513875> darthanubis: thanks for the heads up
[11:23] <eagles0513875> darthanubis: where can i get the fix for this.
[11:24] <ikonia> eagles0513875: read the bug report
[11:29] <eagles0513875> darthanubis: i confirmed your bug
[11:32] <eagles0513875> ikonia: can i ask you a question
[11:32] <ikonia> sure
[11:34] <eagles0513875> from reading the error is that just missing something in the programming in regards to an fi statment if i am understanding the error correctly
[11:36] <ikonia> I've not read the bug details
[11:37] <ikonia> let me have a look
[11:37] <eagles0513875> ahh ok i reopened the bug though as confirmed for jaunty if i shouldnt have done that ill go back and change it
[11:37] <eagles0513875> ok
[11:39] <ikonia> eagles0513875: which error did you get, the problem with the package, or the problem removing the package ?
[11:39] <eagles0513875> the one that darthanubis posted
[11:39] <ikonia> eagles0513875: so the problem removing the package ?
[11:39] <eagles0513875> ikonia: for me its updating the package
[11:39] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[11:39] <eagles0513875> currently i cant run the aptfix command purge or remove it
[11:39] <eagles0513875> morning ActionParsnip
[11:40] <ikonia> eagles0513875: the package has been removed - that's why it's trying to remove
[11:40] <ikonia> eagles0513875: it looks like the post-remove script has got a minor error
[11:41] <eagles0513875> thats what i thought is it missing an fi or ; not sure which as my programming  is rather limited in C but that is something that has a quick fix or am i wrong in that regard
[11:41] <ikonia> eagles0513875: its not a missing fi
[11:41] <ikonia> eagles0513875: and it's not in c
[11:42] <eagles0513875> like i said my programming knowledge as of right now is rather limited
[11:42] <jpds> Yay, bug #356157 and bug #356161
[11:42] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: can i see a pastebin of the output please
[11:42] <ikonia> eagles0513875: it's just a shell script
[11:42] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: its in the bug report darthanubis posted it and im getting the same output as he is
[11:42] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hotkey-setup/+bug/140967/
[11:43] <eagles0513875> lol jpds do you have that same error as well
[11:43] <jpds> No.
[11:43] <jpds> ikonia: And it looks like it is a missing fi :)
[11:44] <eagles0513875> jpds: thats what i said as well lol
[11:44] <eagles0513875> or thought at least
[11:44] <ikonia> jpds: looks like it's unexpected end
[11:45] <ikonia> I've not opened the script to actaully look though, I'm working from the error message inthe bug
[11:46] <eagles0513875> another person just confirmed the bug as well
[11:46] <PolitikerNEU> Hello everyone, I got the following problem with Kate (KDE 4.2): Whenever I type a tab, it inserts two spaces. In Kate preferences, however, replacing tabs with spaces is NOT set and a tab should equal 8 spaces. If I select some text and press tab, a "real" tab is inserted
[11:47] <PolitikerNEU> (at least sometimes)
[11:47] <jpds> eagles0513875: It's been reported in -devel to the guy who uploaded the broken package.
[11:47] <eagles0513875> thanks jpds
[11:47] <eagles0513875> jpds: the problem becomes how are we goign to get the package outa blocking apt
[11:47] <eagles0513875> i tried the apt-fix command and it doesnt dislodge it or anything from there
[11:48] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: tried: sudo apt-get -f install; sudo apt-get --purge autoremove
[11:48] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: ill try it out now
[11:49] <ActionParsnip> stranger things have happened at sea
[11:49] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: same issue
[11:49] <eagles0513875> same error
[11:49] <ActionParsnip> bah
[11:49] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: even using dpkg --configure hotkey-setup
[11:50] <ikonia> wait for the fix to be released
[11:51] <ActionParsnip> doesnt sound system critical so it will bake
[11:51] <eagles0513875> ok ikonia
[11:51] <eagles0513875> wont the way it is right now block me from being able to install any other programs though
[11:52] <ikonia> no
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: you could try installing something small to test
[11:53] <ActionParsnip> or reinstall something already installed
[11:53] <eagles0513875> at least i can install stuff if need be just it has issues configuring that pkg
[11:53] <ActionParsnip> cool
[11:54] <ActionParsnip> can you reinstall the damaged app?
[11:54] <eagles0513875> cant purge or autoremove it
[11:54] <eagles0513875> even the 2nd command you gave didnt work
[11:54] <eagles0513875> i wish i knew more about programming
[11:55] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: can you install it though?
[11:55] <eagles0513875> the pkg of the bug in question i cant do anything install the update cant purge or -f install nothing to it
[11:56] <ikonia> just wait for the fix
[11:56] <eagles0513875> i am
[11:56] <ikonia> you've said the same thing about ten times how you can't remove it -
[11:57] <eagles0513875> ill be quiet now
[11:57] <ikonia> dont have to be quiet, just stop repeating the problem,
[12:02] <eagles0513875> darthanubis: found a solution to the bug
[12:03] <eagles0513875> ikonia: question how do i apply a patch cuz it seems like there is one out already
[12:03] <eagles0513875> nm i figured it out
[12:05] <ikonia> eagles0513875: don't apply a patch
[12:05] <ikonia> eagles0513875: wait for the fix
[12:05] <eagles0513875> ikonia: this seems to have been tested https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hotkey-setup/+bug/356157
[12:05] <ikonia> eagles0513875: you've made it clear you don't know what your doing so applying random peoples work is not a good idea, wait for an official release to resolve it
[12:06] <ikonia> eagles0513875: 1.) is this package on your system causing you a problem ?
[12:06] <eagles0513875>  no but its annoying to see that pop up
[12:06] <ikonia> what is the problem with waiting for an offiical fix ? jpds has just said the maintainer knows about it
[12:07] <ikonia> eagles0513875: you've made it clear a few times saying you don't know what you're doing, so why not wait for the guy to release a fix - as he does know what he's doing
[12:08] <eagles0513875> ok
[12:09]  * eagles0513875 runs back to me corner
[12:10] <eagles0513875> jpds: thought you were about to give me the boot
[12:10]  * eagles0513875 would love to start bug fixing
[12:10] <ikonia> eagles0513875: you've said this about 10 times, yet you've still not done anything about it
[12:10] <ikonia> eagles0513875: either do it - or don't
[12:11] <jpds> eagles0513875: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix
[12:12]  * eagles0513875 mails that link to self
[12:12] <anstei> where does apt store its proxy information?
[12:12] <dennda> Are you too annoyed by the "Search for suitable plugin dialog" looking for, but not finding, some decoder for audio/xmpegurl or some other mswinurl codec?
[12:13] <eagles0513875> dennda: are you trying to install restriced multimedia formats
[12:14] <dennda> eagles0513875: I am not doing anything other than starting rhythmbox, firefox, etc... not even playing something
[12:14] <dennda> i installed ubuntu-restricted-extras yesterday
[12:14] <dennda> and it is installed properly afaict
[12:15] <jpds> dennda: Screenshot?
[12:16] <dennda> jpds: already got rid of the dialog. itÅis the usual "search for suitable plugin" dialog
[12:18] <deany> i know its beta, but are people running it now on their personal pc`s without problems?
[12:18] <deany> im thinking of makin fresh install
[12:28] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: i fixed the hotkey thing you were having
[12:28] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: http://pastebin.com/f21e17651
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: the hint is the comment saying the block does nothing. i got the same error as you so i just commented it out and its fine
[12:33] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: you commented otu the whole thing
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: just the bottom section, check my pastebin
[12:33] <eagles0513875> i did just making sure
[12:35] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: if the system is fin after that and does what its supposed to do can you add it to the bug report you found
[12:35] <jpds> ActionParsnip: All you have to do is add a 'fi' after the do_video.
[12:35] <eagles0513875> didnt work ActionParsnip
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: weird
[12:36] <eagles0513875> jpds: does fi have a ; after it
[12:36] <jpds> eagles0513875: No.
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: thats my  /etc/init.d/hotkey-setup
[12:36] <eagles0513875> let me try it
[12:36] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: are you on jaunty
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> indeed
[12:37] <jpds> ActionParsnip: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/24860046/hotkey-setup_fix_missing_fi.patch
[12:37] <jpds> ActionParsnip: That is all.
[12:37] <eagles0513875> jpds: it works
[12:37] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: i think it worked for you since you are on a desktop
[12:37] <eagles0513875> im on a laptop
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> i see
[12:38] <ikonia> eagles0513875: why will you not wait for the fix ???
[12:38] <ikonia> eagles0513875: I cannot grasp why you are messing with something when a fix is on the way
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> jpds: thanks, system updated
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> ikonia: i brought it up as I thought i had a fix
[12:38] <ikonia> I know - but he's already said he doesn't know what to do
[12:39] <ikonia> there is a fix on the way ....just sit it out, it's not a massive problem
[12:39] <ActionParsnip> ikonia: i know he doesnt know, i thought i knew so i passed on my knowledge
[12:41] <eagles0513875> i managed according to what jpds said and it works
[12:42]  * ikonia shakes his head
[12:42] <eagles0513875> ikonia: i have to learn how stuff works someway some how
[12:43] <gnomefreak> add the patch than build binaries and poof its fixed, if you can not do that for any reason than wait for fix in archives :)
[12:44] <gnomefreak> depending on what file would depend on the why to fix it
[12:44]  * ActionParsnip is on a boat
[12:52] <Jason_CO> sorry about the in and out -- had a client issue
[12:53] <Jason_CO> im running jaunty beta (kubuntu) everything seems to work great - -except compiz-- which i suspect is a driver issue -- can someone tell me which driver i should be using for an intel 82865 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[12:54] <ActionParsnip> Jason_CO: try this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=807369
[12:55] <Jason_CO> hi ActionParsnip thank you
[12:56] <koperton> ActionParsnip: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/356088
[12:56] <koperton> et voila'
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> koperton: nice
[13:02] <Jason_CO> Error: Software Rasterizer in use
[13:02] <Jason_CO> ActionParsnip: that was the result of compizcheck scrikpt
[13:03] <ActionParsnip> Jason_CO: then you need to make sure your xorg.conf is set to use the "intel" driver
[13:03] <Jason_CO> ok - there is no driver statement in the xorg.conf
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> Jason_CO: then add one in the video card config, you may need extra configs. i dont use intel gfx chips personally but the driver you need to use appears to be "intel"
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> Jason_CO: maybe someone else can chip in
[13:04] <Jason_CO> ok - -cool
[13:05] <Jason_CO> gonna reboot x and see what happens
[13:07] <RobHu> How do I use Ext4 in the latest Ubuntu Remix (Jaunty Beta)? When I select manually partition the disk I don't have a 'use as: Ext4' option. Is there somewhere I may RTFM?
[13:09] <RobHu> Is it that I can't boot from ext4, and only have (apart from swap) one partition?
[13:10] <xxploit> RobHu: no you should be able to select ext4 from the drop down
[13:10] <RobHu> xxploit: How strange. I have ext3, ext2, resierfs, xfs, fat16, fat32, swap, and do not use
[13:11] <RobHu> xxploit: Any ideas? :P
[13:11] <xxploit> RobHu: is Ubuntu Remix something different than the actual ubuntu?
[13:11] <RobHu> xxploit: It is slightly different, yes
[13:12] <xxploit> RobHu: I'd say it mite have something to do with that, cause all my jaunty installs have used ext4
[13:12] <RobHu> ok
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> xxploit: install gparted from repo in live cd (if you can) and then create and format ext4 partitions there
[13:27] <OldGuest_> packaage hotkey-setup failed, due to syntax error: ";;" unexpected (expecting "fi"). invoke-rc.d: initscript hotkey-setup, action "start" failed. dpkg: error
[13:27] <ActionParsnip> OldGuest_: we've seen a lot of this
[13:27] <OldGuest_> ActionParsnip: ok, ";;" << typo ?
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> OldGuest_: nope; gksudo gedit /etc/init.d/hotkey-setup
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> or kdesudo kate if you are kde
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> OldGuest_: on line 45 it says "do_video"  underneath that add a line that says "fi"  without the "s
[13:29] <OldGuest_> hmm ok lemme try.
[13:29] <jpds> OldGuest_: See /topic too.
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> OldGuest_: save and exit the editor and then sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get -f install
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> job done
[13:31] <virk> ActionParsnip: Thanks, I was struggling with the same problem just yet ;)
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> if you are on a desktop you can comment the whole case statement out
[13:32] <OldGuest_> hmm thats nice
[13:32] <OldGuest_> its done
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> yep, silly little bug
[13:34] <virk> btw, since the upgrade this morning, quite a fewa applications like firefox and gwenview suddenly take a whole lot more time to load...
[13:34] <OldGuest_> and its really nice to have all 24 speaker icons back on taskbar. were somehow hidden before recent upgrade :)
[13:35] <virk> the tray however, works excellent now
[13:36] <RobHu> ActionParsnip: I tried that, but the installer wouldn't let me choose an ext4 partion to mount as /
[13:36] <RobHu> I'm going to try normal Ubuntu Jaunty now
[13:49] <RobHu> I tried (on my mac) dd-ing the jaunty iso on to the usb key, but I just get "Error 2" on boot up. Do I need use a .img instead of a .iso?
[13:54] <RobHu> Is there an img file for Ubuntu?
[13:57] <topyli> RobHu: the iso is what you need
[13:57] <RobHu> topyli: How do I make the iso work with a usb key? (bearing in mind I don't have linux or windows to do it from)
[13:58] <topyli> RobHu: i have no idea since you're on a mac
[13:58] <RobHu> Right
[13:58] <RobHu> ok thanks
[13:58] <topyli> i'm sure you have dd, but you need to make the stick bootable as well
[13:59] <RobHu> I'll get someone with windows to do it for me
[13:59] <RobHu> thanks
[14:12] <mxboy15u> anyone have any tips on how to update alsa drivers in an attempt to get my internal mic working again?
[14:13] <Ienorand> Could I quickly get a confirm on a bug here? If you open any archive in file-roller and then go for extract and then at the browser window immediately click "extract", does it ignore it? And does it also work as soon as you click anywhere else in that window and then go for extract?
[14:13] <antoranz> has anybody published a bug about init.d/hotkey ?
[14:14] <antoranz> I have a syntax error over here. A onliner, I think
[14:14] <Ienorand> antoranz: Upgrade fail?
[14:14] <antoranz> yes... the update failed..... but not the update, really... just starting the script... it's got a syntax error
[14:14] <antoranz> there's a missing "fi"
[14:15] <Ienorand> antoranz: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hotkey-setup/+bug/356157
[14:15] <antoranz> ok, then... I won't report it.
[14:15] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[14:15] <Ienorand> antoranz: Even has a high priority so hopes to be fixed fairly swiftly I guess...
[14:16] <Ienorand> Hey Kaj!
[14:16] <antoranz> No problem.... people have already said it's a missing fi
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> antoranz: if you edit the file you can add the fi in manually
[14:16] <antoranz> so it should be out soon
[14:16] <antoranz> that's what I did
[14:17] <ActionParsnip> antoranz: nice, job done
[14:18] <elwood> hi all
[14:18] <mxboy15u> so no tips on getting my internal mic to work?
[14:18] <elwood> i've changed the /etc/init.d/rc file in order to gegt parallello boot working, but i have duplicates entries on booting, si it normal?
[14:29] <sirderigo_> good morning, someone else is having problems whit texlive?
[14:33] <[4-tea-2]> Can someone remind me what (meta?) package to install to get playback ability for all the non-free codecs out there? (Medibuntu repository is available.)
[14:34] <Pici> [4-tea-2]: ubuntu-restricted-extras
[14:34] <[4-tea-2]> tyvm
[14:59] <mogul218> i installed Jaunty last night on my PC and Grub is giving me 'Error 5' and not loading.  Does anyone know what this is?
[15:02] <ActionParsnip> mogul218: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=132709
[15:02] <ActionParsnip> mogul218: did you resie a partition before installing per chance?
[15:02] <sirderigo_> :(
[15:03] <ActionParsnip> !anyone | sirderigo_
[15:03] <mogul218> i resized during the install
[15:04] <thiebaude> sirderigo_: what is your question,:)
[15:04] <ActionParsnip> mogul218: it may have damaged the partition, run: sudo fdisk -l to make sure there is no partition overlap and then you may want to fsck the partitions to check they are ok
[15:04] <sirderigo_> i write in the wrong channel ;)
[15:05] <mogul218> ActionParsnip where do I run sudo fdisk -l from seeing as I can't even get to a command prompt?
[15:05] <ActionParsnip> mogul218: its not looking good tbh
[15:05] <ActionParsnip> mogul218: live cd
[15:05] <sirderigo_> i am thinking in build texlive from sources because i updated and it is very very broken
[15:06] <ActionParsnip> mogul218: or recovery root console if you can boot to that
[15:06] <mogul218> should I just go back to Intrepid since that was working fine?
[15:06] <TABASCO> Hi there
[15:07] <ActionParsnip> mogul218: if it was working fine, why install a beta OS that has no garunte of working?
[15:07] <TABASCO> I just installed Jaunty NBR daily
[15:07] <TABASCO> And as requested, I want to report what is not working correctly right now
[15:07] <sirderigo_> i purged it totally, and later i installed it again, but it is still broken
[15:07] <mogul218> I figured since it was so close to final and I currently have it running on my laptop that it would not be a problem
[15:07] <sirderigo_> them, mi gnome panel doenst appear
[15:07] <frybye> TABASCO: well done..
[15:08] <TABASCO> But before writing a bug report I want to say here what's the matter..
[15:08] <mogul218> i'm talking on a Jaunty right now and it is just peachy
[15:08] <thiebaude> mogul218: i've had bug problems for over 3 months
[15:08] <ActionParsnip> mogul218: you fixed something that wasnt broken
[15:08] <sirderigo_> i asked whit "someone" because i want to know if it is a bug o if i do something i souldnt
[15:09] <TABASCO> I have a German interface. The first thing what was not fully correct was during the installation, when Ubuntu loaded language packs from the net.
[15:09] <thiebaude> hi ActionParsnip
[15:09] <ActionParsnip> mogul218: you could try a clean install, if you plan your partitions you will never have to resize
[15:09] <ActionParsnip> hi thiebaude
[15:09] <TABASCO> The sentence was to long so that only the first number of the left time was visible
[15:10] <mogul218> i'm gonna go do that now.....should i clean install 8.10 or give 9.04 another shot?
[15:10] <ActionParsnip> mogul218: your call
[15:10] <TABASCO> So from 22:38 I only saw the 2, which was a little confusing.
[15:10] <frybye> TABASCO: almost a feature I think.. always needs additional lang. stuff..
[15:10] <ActionParsnip> TABASCO: ahh so your display is outside your screen?
[15:10] <mogul218> thank you for your help ActionParsnip
[15:10] <TABASCO> ActionParsnip: No
[15:11] <TABASCO> I made a screenshot. Where is it best for you to upload?
[15:11] <TABASCO> Imageshack?
[15:12]  * BUGabundo doesn't like imashack
[15:12] <ActionParsnip> TABASCO: any is fine
[15:12] <frybye> TABASCO: better dont break your input with useing enter-key..
[15:12] <TABASCO> Hey, he has not saved the screenshot.. I told him to save it on the stick, but he didn't obviously..
[15:14] <frybye> TABASCO: did the installation work out in the end??
[15:14] <TABASCO> frybye: Ok. Well, there was a button to jump to the next action. And because of this button, the phrase there was not visible. I assume the window is designed to fit with 7" screens. And as long as there is no button it's fine. But if the button appears it becomes a little hard to see..
[15:15] <TABASCO> frybye: The installation worked. I skipped this step by pressing this button there. For a second or so I saw the full time because the button disappearded and then he went to the next step.
[15:16] <frybye> so no big deal basically..?
[15:16] <TABASCO> It' not the worst thing on earth, but I wanted to mention it, just in case.
[15:17] <frybye> i guess the majority of netbooks have >7" screens now..
[15:17] <eagles0513875> im having an interesting issue with texmaker
[15:17] <eagles0513875> when i do a quick build i am unable to type anything after
[15:18] <frybye> TABASCO: what else??
[15:18] <TABASCO> frybye: I guess so. And it's only this single installation step.
[15:18] <eagles0513875> if i hit f1 again for quick buidl it gives me the cursor back another problem arises where if i use the mouse to move the cursor to a particulare location ithe cursor disappears again
[15:19] <TABASCO> frybye: When I want to shutdown, restart and so on, there is a size problem, too. But this is more anyoing:
[15:19] <TABASCO> http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shutdown.png
[15:19] <frybye> TABASCO: are your "Fn" keys all working??
[15:19] <Ienorand> Could I quickly get a confirm on a bug here? If you open any archive in file-roller and then go for extract and then at the browser window immediately click "extract", does it ignore it? And does it also work as soon as you click anywhere else in that window and then go for extract?
[15:20] <TABASCO> frybye: Sound and brightness work fine, although there are no signs for the brightness buttons on the screen as for the volume is.
[15:22] <frybye> TABASCO: 7" screen can almost be considered "legacy h-ware" now - i was real happy 2 move 2 a 1000h with 10.2"
[15:24] <frybye> the NBR does not give me the fn+F11  Fn+F12 sound function yet.. the whole apci-system should come with the **29 Kernal aparrently..
[15:24] <frybye> then the eeepc-acpi-scripts package will be installable or so..
[15:24] <TABASCO> frybye: Sure. But the netbooks are everywhere. Also with these small screens. With easy peasy before I had a good overview to the shutdown options. But unfortunately the button didn't worked there, so I had to press the power button for this menue.
[15:25] <TABASCO> Ah, here it is the same I see. By pressing the power button I get another menue which fits much better to the screen.. can I change the button in the interface that it does what the power button does?
[15:25] <frybye> that`s not so good..
[15:26] <frybye> ??
[15:27]  * Blues-Man ciao
[15:28] <TABASCO> frybye: When I press the power button here, I get another menue as if I press the button in the interface. And I would prefer to have the menue that the power buttons shows me when clicking on the button in the lower right of the netbook remix interface
[15:29] <robin0800> I know the hotkey set up is broken but reading the bug report shows a solution why does it take a long time to impliment?
[15:30] <frybye> not sure about how to do that..ask a ? on launchpad perhaps if nbdy here knows..
[15:30] <TABASCO> Okay
[15:32] <sagredo> Errors were encountered while processing: hotkey-setup
[15:32] <sagredo> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[15:32] <sagredo> le help
[15:33] <thiebaude> sagredo: there is a bug in it
[15:33] <frybye> TABASCO: you already found http://forum.eeeuser.com/index.php  ??
[15:33] <hyper_ch> hey there, I noticed that I have some issue with my brother hl-2030 printer in jaunty and OOo. For some reason the OOo3/Jaunty combo makes printing stuff 1.9cm vertically too high.... when I create a pdf from OOo and then print it, it's good... when I use Abiword then it's also good
[15:33] <sagredo> thiebaude: well, where is the bug let's crush this thing
[15:33] <TABASCO> frybye: No, not yet. Thank you"
[15:34] <thiebaude> i agree, lets crush all the bugs before april 24
[15:34] <frybye> TABASCO: welcome.. ;=)
[15:34] <sagredo> thiebaude: how many developers, roughly, are working on jaunty
[15:34] <thiebaude> sagredo: i dont know
[15:35] <Ienorand> sagredo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hotkey-setup/+bug/356157/
[15:36] <sagredo> Ienorand: my man
[15:39] <mogul218_> ActionParsnip are you available?
[15:39] <eagles0513875> mogul218_: he isnt in here
[15:39] <Raylz> oh man, is the pulse audio flash bug still not fixed -.-?
[15:40] <Ienorand> There's like 30 duplicates of the hotkey-setup bug...
[15:43] <yow|x2> cwillu - update. getting major freezing lately. right on boot, both mainline and default kernels. they had it fixed and then broke it again, yikes! lol
[15:43] <Raylz> why do you include pulse audio if it still doesnt work
[15:44] <Ienorand> Raylz: Ubuntu is a "cutting edge" distro...
[15:44] <Raylz> Ienorand: no, fedora is cutting edge
[15:45] <bytor4232> They all use the same stuff.  They are all "cutting edge"
[15:45] <Raylz> cutting edge and user friendly dont get together very well
[15:46] <Raylz> i mean this is just annoying
[15:46] <Raylz> this bug is around for one year
[15:47] <rconan> Raylz: what are the steps to reproduce?
[15:47] <Raylz> rconan: launch amarok
[15:47] <Raylz> play some music
[15:47] <Raylz> and then watch a flash vid on youtube
[15:47]  * rconan has done that I'm sure
[15:48] <Raylz> no sound until you kill amarok and restart firefox
[15:51] <cwillu> Raylz, I've had no particular issues with pulseaudio in previous releases
[15:51] <sirderigo_> i want to turn into a monkey! the problem whit hotkey-setup haved and easy solution:
[15:51] <sirderigo_> edit /etc/init.d/hotkey-setup
[15:51] <sirderigo_> and in the line 47 add "fi"
[15:52] <sirderigo_> :D
[15:52] <cwillu> you need flash 10 to use it with anything except alsa, the choice is that or having it segfault the browser on a regular basis
[15:52] <Raylz> strange, my sound stuff just reported that my soundcard isnt working any more and its falling back to pulseaudio
[15:52] <Raylz> works now
[15:53] <Raylz> aah :)
[15:53] <Raylz> there was a mixer issue, pulse audio wasnt selected as standard
[15:53] <rconan> sirderigo_: I know... I posted that fix on the original bug I think
[15:53] <sirderigo_> oops...
[15:54] <sirderigo_> it says.... 47: Syntax error: ";;" unexpected (expecting "fi")
[15:55] <rconan> sirderigo_: it's not exactly hard to work out what's wrong is it?
[15:55] <sirderigo_> rconan, not, it so easy
[15:56] <rconan> I can't find the bug I commented on now
[15:56] <rconan> maybe it was a dupe
[15:56] <sirderigo_> rconan, i wish i could fix texlive so easy
[15:56] <Raylz> ok, it still doesnt work
[15:56] <Ienorand> rconan: If you use advanced search you can show  dupes as well
[15:56] <Raylz> i cant play a song while listening to a flash vid
[15:57] <rconan> sirderigo_: ah... bug 256157
[15:57] <rconan> sorry
[15:57] <rconan> bug 356157
[15:58] <Raylz> rconan: ping
[15:58] <sirderigo_> rconan, you now whats funny? i have to call all my apps whit alt+f2 because the menu´s are empty
[15:58] <Raylz> rconan: try watching a flash vid and then play a song in amarok at the same time
[15:58] <rconan> Raylz: pong
[15:59] <rconan> ah... other way round
[16:05] <DaveGG> is there a way to convert jaunty to netbook remix (unr) without booting from usb? my old laptop simply can't boot from usb...
[16:08] <cwillu> DaveGG, apt-get install ubuntu-netbook-remix, and maybe
[16:08] <cwillu> bah, nevermind the maybe, the default-settings package is installed with that too
[16:08] <DaveGG> cqillu: i'll check that now
[16:09] <koperton>  3073.703909] ksmserver[3425]: segfault at 4 ip b68adf46 sp b36487b0 error 4 in libQtDBus.so.4.5.0[b686c000+
[16:11] <timing> could it be that a alpha version i downloaded a week ago does not boot correctly?
[16:11] <timing> i do have the menu, but after i choose to boot the live version, it's working
[16:12]  * cwillu thinks that timing should just download a different cd and see if the problem is still there
[16:13] <cwillu> yes, daily's do break from time to time
[16:13] <timing> okay, and do the iso's change from time to time?
[16:13] <DaveGG> cqillu: error - Couldn't find package ububtu-netbook-remix
[16:13] <timing> or am i still downloading the same iso?
[16:13] <cwillu> don't download the same alpha release (or the beta, really)
[16:13] <cwillu> (presuming it was the beta that gave you trouble)
[16:14] <timing> i downloaded the one from the topic
[16:14] <DaveGG> cwillu: got an error - Couldn't find package ububtu-netbook-remix
[16:14] <timing> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/ubuntu-9.04-beta-desktop-i386.iso
[16:15] <cwillu> DaveGG, did you spell ubuntu like that?
[16:16] <DaveGG> cwillu: hell, you're right!
[16:24] <mattik> Hello. I cannot get updates. It said no network connection. I'm using Kubuntu Jaunty
[16:25] <DaveGG> cwillu: after installing, should i do anything to activate unr? maybe reboot?
[16:27] <timing> okay the disc does boot correctly on another system
[16:29] <DaveGG> cwillu: never mind, found it
[16:31] <boby> I use laptop HP 6735b and kubuntu 8.10 upgraded to 9.04 beta, and my microphone doesn't work in skype but it works in audacity
[16:31] <unixdawg> you running kde or gnome
[16:31] <boby> kde
[16:32] <unixdawg> install alsa-oss addon
[16:32] <koperton> mmm
[16:32] <unixdawg> it fixes the issue
[16:32] <unixdawg> alsa-oss or oss-alsa
[16:32] <unixdawg> I forget how they named it
[16:32] <koperton> sudo apt-get install libsox-fmt-all
[16:32] <koperton> sox of course
[16:35] <boby> I installed alsa-oss and nthing happendo
[16:35] <boby> nothing*
[16:41] <BUGabundo> anybody having trouble with gnomepower manager? my LCD keeps reseting to 0% bright!
[16:43] <boby> I installed libsox also and still nothing happend
[16:45] <boby> plz I asked this before on this chat and no way to fix this
[16:47] <boby> anyone
[16:47] <boby> I will pay :)
[16:47] <BUGabundo> boby: talk to dtchen
[16:47] <BUGabundo> latter tonight!
[16:47] <BUGabundo> is the hotkey setup broken known issue?
[16:48] <mattik> I have that problem
[16:49] <rconan> BUGabundo: it's on the tracker with a patch
[16:49] <Ienorand> BUGabundo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hotkey-setup/+bug/356157/
[16:49] <BUGabundo> thanks guys
[16:49] <Ienorand> and 40 dupes :)
[16:49] <BUGabundo> im slacking today... can't keep up with all the new stuff
[16:49] <BUGabundo> LOL
[16:50] <BUGabundo> do I need to get the deb and install or will the next build fix via update?
[16:50] <boby> what do you meen talk to dtchan?
[16:50] <Ienorand> It's hitting everyone, and only because of a missing little "fi"
[16:50] <rconan> how does that end up pushed to the repo?
[16:50] <rconan> really?
[16:51] <BUGabundo> don't know!
[16:51] <BUGabundo> we need better QA
[16:51] <BUGabundo> but that's why we ALL are here
[16:51] <BUGabundo> to test and repott
[16:51] <BUGabundo> but 40 dups? come on, don't ppl read?
[16:51] <maxb> We also need people to stop reporting duplicates :-(
[16:51] <rconan> indeed
[16:51] <Ienorand> BUGabundo: There's plenty of instructions how to fix it yourself on the report (among the hundred "me too!"s)
[16:51] <BUGabundo> hey charlie-tca
[16:51] <rconan> and the fix is released too
[16:52] <BUGabundo> so it should be hitting the repos in a while
[16:52] <charlie-tca> Morning, BUGabundo
[16:52] <BUGabundo> I'll get the update latter
[16:52] <rconan> updates want to install dnsmasq base?
[16:53] <rconan> are we aiming to get routing in default install?
[16:56] <ikanobori> Hi people, can I ignore the LILO warning when upgrading to 9.04 or should I conform to the messages.
[16:56] <rconan> ikanobori: LILO?
[16:56] <rconan> do people still use that?
[16:56] <LordKow> anyone have an error upgrading hotkey-setup today?
[16:57] <BUGabundo> rconan: they do
[16:57] <Ienorand> LordKow: Everyone.
[16:57] <LordKow> k
[16:57] <BUGabundo> and there was a bug that pulled it into
[16:57] <ikanobori> ah I found it.
[16:57] <LordKow> reported?
[16:57] <BUGabundo> together with grub... what a mess
[16:57] <ikanobori> 8.10 from the desktop cd installed lilo with it (mistakingly).
[16:57] <Ienorand> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hotkey-setup/+bug/356157/
[16:57] <ikanobori> I'll go ahead and remove it.
[16:57] <jason____> in jaunty, I can minimize pidgin to the indicator applet by selecting it from there when it's already open. But if I just click minimize in pidgin, it goes to the taskbar
[16:57] <LordKow> cool :)
[16:57] <BUGabundo> Ienorand: so you are the bot in service
[16:57] <jason____> is there a way to fix this? or am I wrong and this is normal behavior
[16:58] <Ienorand> BUGabundo: We should put that in the topic or something... :)
[16:58] <BUGabundo> jason____: mine goes to tray1
[16:58] <BUGabundo> if we do, it will stay there for a week
[16:58] <BUGabundo> and ppl still won't read it
[16:58] <BUGabundo> oh it there already Ienorand
[16:59] <BUGabundo> see? I didn't even read it! ROFL
[16:59] <Ienorand> Oh, yea :)
[16:59] <BUGabundo> LOLOL you didn't either!
[16:59] <Ienorand> Was looking and expected it to be somewhere in the end...
[16:59] <jason____> BUGabundo: did you add the indicator applet? I thought the point of it was to get rid of the notification icon
[16:59] <BUGabundo> jason____: yes I have it
[17:00] <jason____> and it still minimizes to it's icon in the tray?
[17:00] <jason____> *its
[17:01] <afallenhope|work> hey I have the following error upgrading packages http://pastebin.ca/1383812
[17:01] <rconan> afallenhope|work: see topic
[17:01] <Tm_T> hi kids
[17:01] <rconan> bug 356157
[17:02] <Tm_T> can someone enlighten me why in Jaunty disks aren't staying in sleep?
[17:02] <Tm_T> means, what is waking disks up, when they're not in use, not even mounted
[17:05] <exco> I read that the rt2806 cards are working out-of-the-box with Jaunty beta, but unfortunately I can't confirm that.
[17:05] <pixelmonkey> hey there.  I'm running Hardy (8.04) and I want to beta test Jaunty.  Do I need to upgrade to Intrepid first, or can I "skip a release" and upgrade straight to Jaunty?
[17:05] <rconan> pixelmonkey: no you need to upgrade to intrepid first
[17:05] <exco> Does anybody here have it working (with WPA or WPA2 personal) by any chance?
[17:05] <pixelmonkey> rconan: okay, thanks for the information!
[17:05] <BUGabundo> pixelmonkey: yes you need to go to 8.10 st
[17:05] <charlie-tca> rconan: is that a new change?
[17:06] <exco> pixelmonkey: "sudo update-manager -d" -> 8.10 and if you run it again -> 9.04 beta
[17:06] <BUGabundo> exco: I have it both on my intel 4965
[17:06]  * BUGabundo hands Update for Dummies book to rconan
[17:06] <exco> BUGabundo: well that's not really an rt2860 card :-)
[17:07] <rconan> BUGabundo: eh?
[17:07] <pietje_phuck> What has happened to "su" in 9.04?
[17:08] <rconan> oh... missing comma?
[17:08] <exco> I also have wpa/wpa2 working with a rt2500 card (my 2200b/g and 2915a/b/g do have serious issues with wlan though (might be a strange coincidence that both seem to have hardware failures now that I'm on Jaunty)
[17:08] <rconan> should have been "pixelmonkey: no, you need to upgrade to intrepid first"
[17:08] <Pici> pietje_phuck: Looks fine here.
[17:08] <mattik> How easy add this "fi" to hotkey-setup. update-manager doesn't work anything
[17:09] <boby> i quit cant find solution
[17:09]  * Ienorand marks another dupe of the hotkey-setup bug
[17:09] <pixelmonkey> I have some custom sources in my sources.list.  Should I disable those for the distribution upgrade?
[17:09] <pietje_phuck> Pici: "sudo su -" gives me command not found
[17:09] <thiebaude> pixelmonkey: no
[17:09] <rconan> pixelmonkey: it'll do it automatically
[17:10] <exco> seems noone with a rt2860 around ... so how about this: what's a real cheap draft n usb stick working out-of-the-box with Ubuntu?
[17:10] <pixelmonkey> rconan, great, thanks.
[17:10] <pietje_phuck> Pici: "find / -name s" does not find it either
[17:10] <vishalrao> doleyb: thanks for the help yesterday, i got it working kinda: http://forum.kde.org/showthread.php?tid=38966&pid=59170#pid59170
[17:10] <rconan> pietje_phuck: works here
[17:11] <pietje_phuck> "find / -name su"
[17:11] <Pici> pietje_phuck: First of all, you should be using sudo -i or sudo -s to get an interactive root terminal.  Secondly, su should be in /bin/su
[17:12] <rconan> pietje_phuck: it's in the login package... I can't believe you somehow don't have that installed
[17:12] <pietje_phuck> ok
[17:12] <pietje_phuck> sorry typing error on the other end
[17:13] <pietje_phuck> And I prefer "su" rather then sudo
[17:13] <pietje_phuck> but each to their own
[17:13] <rconan> pietje_phuck: you can do "sudo -s" to get a root shell if you need
[17:13] <pietje_phuck> thanks
[17:15] <johanbr> When I add the indicator applet to my panel, it just stays invisible. But it's there - if I hit the right spot, I can right-click and choose "Remove".
[17:15] <johanbr> Any idea what's wrong?
[17:17] <afallenhope|work> is there an issue with mysql?
[17:17] <Ienorand> johanbr: Me to, it's only a thin white line... What is indicator supposed to handle anyway?
[17:21] <exco> is there a place where I can find a whitelist for wifi hardware working flawless with Ubuntu?
[17:22] <BUGabundo> exco: not yet
[17:22] <johanbr> Ienorand: it's supposed to cache IM messages (among other things)
[17:22] <BUGabundo> but checking LP is a good start point
[17:23] <exco> that is a bit time-consuming just to get a wlan stick/card, BUGabundo
[17:23] <exco> so what about an online store that sells ubuntu (linux) compliant hardware?
[17:24] <BUGabundo> exco: not that I know of... but there a page on ubuntu.com with a link to stores
[17:24] <BUGabundo> mayb that can help you ?
[17:24] <BUGabundo> is chipset RT2500 working on jaunty?
[17:37] <exco> BUGabundo: yes, the rt2500 is working on jaunty
[17:38] <BUGabundo> I have a friend with an old PCI card and his is not able to make it work
[17:38] <exco> but since here are like 20wlan's it's "not stable" to say the least - and that's why I'm getting a draft n card to avoid those problems
[17:38] <exco> BUGabundo: I also have such an old pci card - and am atm happy that I found it in the hardware-box
[17:40] <jamalfanaian> Hi, quick question... has there been any updates to the intel drivers in the beta? I don't know exactly how to test since the LiveCD still has the old packages and I don't want to install it until that has been resolved :\
[17:41] <BUGabundo> jamalfanaian: what card do you have?
[17:41] <BUGabundo> 8x5 ?
[17:42] <jamalfanaian> BUGabundo: It's an integraded intel card on an Asus EeePC
[17:42] <jamalfanaian> BUGabundo: So I'm not exactly sure :\
[17:42] <BUGabundo> hum eeepcs should have full support now
[17:42] <sirderigo_> i guees it is a x3100 GMA
[17:43] <BUGabundo> at least that is what it says on the manifest to test the UNR
[17:43] <jamalfanaian> BUGabundo: Oh thanks :) I'm going to try then
[17:43] <BUGabundo> jamalfanaian: get the ubuntu network remix
[17:43] <BUGabundo> it has all you need to make and eeepc work
[17:43] <jamalfanaian> BUGabundo: That is what I am going to try to set up, thank you for your help :)
[17:43] <exco> can't you install that nebook gfx on a regular jaunty?
[17:43] <BUGabundo> jamalfanaian: also get a daily
[17:43] <BUGabundo> that should have some bugs fixed
[17:43] <Ienorand> jamalfanaian: Got a larger usb stick? Great way to test it out...
[17:44] <exco> I'm just saying - because I put UNR on my Wind and there's tons of stuff missing that comes with the regular install
[17:44] <BUGabundo> exco: like what?
[17:44] <BUGabundo> if so, you just install ubuntu-desktop metapakage
[17:45] <exco> BUGabundo: build essentials and such
[17:46] <exco> which comes in handy when trying to build your not working wifi drivers from source
[17:46] <BUGabundo> exco: even Desktop doesn't have it
[17:46] <BUGabundo> you need to install it
[17:47] <exco> gpar
[17:47] <exco> gparted
[17:47] <BUGabundo> not in either
[17:47] <exco> is available on the live cd
[17:47] <BUGabundo> LOL I think you are getting stuff confused
[17:47] <hil> heh
[17:47] <BUGabundo> exco: not now! its not on the LiveCD now
[17:47] <BUGabundo> got removed too
[17:47] <BUGabundo> replaced with a special tool
[17:48] <jamalfanaian> BUGabundo: gparted is not on the LiveCD anymore?
[17:48] <BUGabundo> nope
[17:48] <jamalfanaian> Oh, that's odd
[17:48] <Ienorand> BUGabundo: Outrage!
[17:48] <exco> if the new tool is better ... fine - but since a common use for the livecd is to repair stuff ... I wouldn't want to miss it
[17:48] <BUGabundo> don't you guys test live images???
[17:48] <BUGabundo> what beta testers are you ??
[17:48] <BUGabundo> bah
[17:49] <jamalfanaian> BUGabundo: Ahh! lol
[17:49] <exco> I tested one some days ago and it was still there
[17:49] <Ienorand> BUGabundo: Up 'til beta I did, so that's a recent change?
[17:50] <BUGabundo> nope
[17:50] <BUGabundo> it wasnt
[17:50] <d3xter> does ext4 got removed from the current daily release?
[17:50] <exco> well... I'm booting it now and ...
[17:50] <d3xter> daily-live
[17:51] <BUGabundo> thanks for checking exco
[17:51] <BUGabundo> d3xter: not that I know of!
[17:51] <d3xter> BUGabundo: gparted support ext4, but the installer doesnt :-S
[17:51] <BUGabundo> I could also have mounted my daily image and extractd the squashfs
[17:52] <BUGabundo> d3xter: the installer DOES... in manual
[17:52] <exco> btw the earlier boot status bar was much nicer
[17:52] <exco> and is it me or is that logo "unclean"
[17:53] <BUGabundo> exco: ohh I love the new bar! much nicer
[17:53] <BUGabundo> better looking
[17:53] <d3xter> i'm trying to do it manually, but i cant choose ext4 :-S
[17:53]  * bruce89 needs a magnifying glass to see the new bar
[17:53] <exco> yeah
[17:53] <d3xter> i cant even choose ntfs :-S
[17:53] <BUGabundo> d3xter: ask colin on #ubuntu-devel
[17:53] <d3xter> ok ty
[17:54]  * Ienorand doesn't like the new "look dartheme, how cool" boot look.
[17:54] <exco> but I just realized ... if you look closely the moving dot changes colour (depicts lighting?)
[17:55] <exco> gparted is still there (so now how do I check the date of the build?)
[17:55] <BUGabundo> RT calc: hotkey-setup seems almost broken in a way package management can't fix, even purge force-all wouldn't remove it until i fixed the init script then installing the new version worked ok
[17:55] <bjsnider> it doesn't matter. usplash will be replaced completely with kms by koala
[17:55] <paul68> is the support for creative Fatal1 cards better then in previous releases?
[17:56] <exco> bjsnider: by 9.10?
[17:56] <bjsnider> yes, by october there will be no usplash anymore
[17:56] <BUGabundo> ppl seem to love what fedora and openSUSE are doing at boot!
[17:56] <BUGabundo> I rather have a 10 sec boot.. no need for splash!
[17:57] <bjsnider> it's just an attempt to copy what osx does. that seems to be shuttleworth's at-large goal: an open source osx
[17:57] <pixelmonkey> I'm about to upgrade to intrepid and then jaunty.  The main issues I've been noticing on Heron are excessive iowait, I assume due to the kernel.  Anyone know if the newer versions of Ubuntu address iowait problems, and where I can read up on that?
[17:57] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: ehheeeh
[17:57] <exco> on the wind ext4 reduces boot time from 30s to 27s ... so I thing 10s won't be realized before I get the laptop after the next one :-)
[17:57] <exco> *think
[17:58] <paul68> it would be nice if the creative lab xf1 cards have a better support then they have now
[17:58] <exco> still if the rt2860 card worked ... I might be able to convert my gf to using Ubuntu
[17:59] <imachine> oi,
[17:59] <Guest81573> How do i convert videos to another format using ubuntu 9.04?
[17:59] <exco> new laptop, tricked into new OS ... but I can't get the darned thing working
[17:59] <imachine> has there been any issues with saving passwords and so forth ?
[17:59] <Guest81573> they are in avi i believe and i need them to be playable on my ipod
[17:59] <BUGabundo> Guest81573: avidemux
[17:59] <imachine> it seems I have problems with Ubuntu 9 remembering my ssh keyfrase.
[17:59] <imachine> also, VPN key passphrases.
[18:00] <imachine> worked a few days ago...
[18:00] <BUGabundo> imachine: yeah I see that too for some wifi
[18:00] <imachine> BUGabundo, fun thing is I reboot and it picks up wifi no problems.
[18:00] <imachine> BUGabundo, but VPN is repeatable.
[18:01] <imachine> Konfigurowanie hotkey-setup (0.1-23ubuntu10) ...
[18:01] <imachine> /etc/init.d/hotkey-setup: 47: Syntax error: ";;" unexpected (expecting "fi")
[18:01] <imachine> invoke-rc.d: initscript hotkey-setup, action "start" failed.
[18:01] <imachine> that's pretty too
[18:01] <imachine> ;)
[18:01] <BUGabundo> guys if any one asks : bug 354851
[18:01] <BUGabundo> d3xter: there's your answer
[18:02] <d3xter> BUGabundo: ty
[18:02] <BUGabundo> np
[18:03] <jamalfanaian> BUGabundo: Is it bad to install the base ubuntu and then install the ubuntu-netbook-remix package?
[18:03] <edgy> Hi, why su; gedit gives Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0?
[18:03] <jamalfanaian> I used netboot to install over TFTP and it didn't install any of the GUI stuff
[18:03] <crdlb> edgy: use gksu gedit
[18:03] <imachine> edgy, run sudo gedit
[18:03] <imachine> or gksu
[18:03] <imachine> ;]
[18:03] <BUGabundo> jamalfanaian: I don't know, but it should work
[18:03] <BUGabundo> let me ask
[18:03] <jamalfanaian> BUGabundo: Ahh alright, I'm trying it now so I guess we should see soon! Hehe
[18:03] <tronx> hey guys
[18:04] <edgy> crdlb, imachine: I know but I want to use su instead
[18:04] <imachine> edgy, you can't.
[18:04] <crdlb> edgy: don't :>
[18:04] <imachine> edgy, different user, different DISPLAY
[18:04] <tronx> in jaunty beta: the network plasmoid doesn't show up my configured connections!
[18:04] <imachine> your X is ran for your user
[18:04] <exco> If I had wireless working I would try it on my live SD card, jamalfanaian :-)
[18:04] <jamalfanaian> Haha
[18:04] <jamalfanaian> Well I should let you know
[18:04] <edgy> imachine: I tried DISPLAY=:0.0 gedit but still it doesn't, I just want to understand the reason
[18:04] <jamalfanaian> Hopefully everything will work...
[18:05] <imachine> edgy, it's an X issue
[18:05] <crdlb> edgy: it already knows the right display to use
[18:05] <crdlb> considering the error says :0.0 already
[18:05] <edgy> imachine, crdlb: but in my redhat box it works
[18:05] <antoranz> has anybody had problems with mplayer crashing X¿
[18:05] <antoranz> ?
[18:05] <crdlb> it just can't use it :)
[18:05] <imachine> edgy, but in Ubuntu it doesn't. long story short, it's a security improvement, afair.
[18:05] <exco> will the hotkey-setup be fixed automatically or do you manually need to fix it?
[18:05] <imachine> redhat's got more of a security problem.
[18:07] <bruce89> gedit --display=blah
[18:07] <imachine> bruce89, would it run like that after it's bein ran as root?
[18:07] <imachine> from a root owned term etc
[18:07] <bruce89> probably not a good idea to run X things as root
[18:08] <jamalfanaian> Is there a way to tell if your machine's CD drive is a burner too? (Not on the Asus EeePC but my desktop)
[18:09] <jamalfanaian> I have no clue if it is and there is no label on the drive
[18:09] <BUGabundo> jamalfanaian: you need to ask on #ubuntu-mobile about the base package
[18:09] <bruce89> jamalfanaian: try writing a CD and see what happens
[18:09] <jamalfanaian> bruce89: Haha I guess that's a good way to test it
[18:10] <bruce89> jamalfanaian: not a very fun way I must admit
[18:10] <tronx> does anybody use the new network plasmoid?
[18:11] <hil> jamalfanaian: sudo lshw -C should give model number, then google
[18:11] <jamalfanaian> hil: Thanks :)
[18:11] <Guest78885> how do i work avidemux?
[18:12] <bruce89> jamalfanaian: wodim -checkdrive
[18:13] <johanbr> jamalfanaian: lshal |grep cdrom
[18:13] <charlie-tca> Guest78885: it is in the repositories; add it using Synaptic Package Manager or sudo apt-get install avidemux
[18:13] <jamalfanaian> Oh ok, so I can't write, thanks johanbr
[18:13] <exco> Guest78885: you could also have a look at "kino"
[18:13] <Guest78885> i did that charlie... i  just now dont know how to convert the videos
[18:14] <hil> bruce89: wodim -checkdrive is nice ;) didnt know that, thx
[18:14] <bruce89> nor did I
[18:14] <deany> Guest78885, ffmpeg or winff
[18:14] <Guest78885> ffmpeg
[18:15] <deany> Guest78885, no, i was making suggestion
[18:15] <Guest78885> and its saying trouble initializing audio device
[18:15] <PolitikerALT> tronx: I use the new network plasmoid
[18:15] <deany> Guest78885, what are you tryin to do, i only just got here.
[18:16] <BUGabundo> Guest78885: open the video you want and then look at the menu, for the IPod option
[18:16] <Guest78885> convert a video from .avi to .mp4 so it plays on my ipod
[18:16] <Guest78885> i did that BU
[18:16] <deany> grab ffmpeg and winff
[18:16] <deany> if you want a gui
[18:16] <edgy> The new network plasmoid doesn't the display the names properly there is some overlapping in the button one PolitikerALT
[18:16] <BUGabundo> Guest78885: then what didn't work?
[18:17] <Guest78885> it just says cannot initialize audio
[18:17] <PolitikerALT> strange - for me, this is working properly except the plasmoid is not big enough (the last entry isn't displayed fully)
[18:17] <deany> or try avidemux.. it can encode
[18:17] <Guest78885> deany thats what i am using avidemux
[18:18] <PolitikerALT> which you can avoid be relocating the wired and wireless window-docks
[18:18] <deany> change the audio prefs to pulse then
[18:18] <bruce89> Guest78885: what sort of conversion are you after?
[18:18] <deany> or use ffmpeg
[18:19] <Guest78885> the original file is .avi i want it as ipod video format so it can play on my ipod
[18:19] <bruce89> avi is a container, what is in it?
[18:19] <Guest78885> whats the video you mean?
[18:20] <deany> Guest78885,  ffmpeg -i (filename.avi) -r 29.97 -vcodec libx264 -s 640x480 -aspect 4:3 -flags +loop -cmp +chroma -deblockalpha 0 -deblockbeta 0 -b 1000k -maxrate 1250k -bufsize 4M -bt 256k -refs 1 -coder 0 -subq 7 -partitions +parti4x4+parti8x8+partp8x8 -g 250 -keyint_min 25 -level 30 -qmin 10 -qmax 51 -qcomp 0.6 -trellis 2 -sc_threshold 40 -i_qfactor 0.71 -acodec libfaac -ab 80k -ar 48000 -ac 2 output-filename.mp4
[18:21] <hil> u didnt typed that from memory, did u? ;)
[18:21] <BUGabundo> eheheheehheehehh
[18:21] <tronx> PolitikerALT: do you have any problems with it?
[18:21] <deany> course not
[18:22] <bruce89> deany: that's assuming NTSC
[18:24] <doktoreas_> hello everybody..
[18:24] <doktoreas_> I have a problem with hotkey_setup and the bug is been reported
[18:25] <doktoreas_> now the problem is that it's blocking all other package installation
[18:25] <doktoreas_> and I can't go on
[18:25] <doktoreas_> is there a way for installing a package without upgrading another one?
[18:26] <Ienorand> doktoreas_: You can always go ahead and fix the issue as described in the bug report...
[18:26] <Ienorand> doktoreas_: Should be an update to the update out soon which should fix most things I've heard..
[18:27] <BUGabundo> doktoreas_: see topic
[18:28] <deany> well, its easy to change a couple of options....just givin out a general command
[18:28] <Ienorand> doktoreas_: I am able to upgrade using apt-get at least...
[18:30] <doktoreas_> thx Ienorand the patch solved it
[18:30] <mxboy15u> are updates released daily or some other schedule? Is there a condensed list to view what is being released and to read about it?
[18:31] <BUGabundo> mxboy15u: they get available once they are built
[18:31] <BUGabundo> not schedule
[18:32] <mxboy15u> ok, so there is no way to see them all and read about them online?
[18:32] <BUGabundo> list of fixs or changes are available on the (HIGH VOLUME) changes ML
[18:32] <mxboy15u> link?
[18:32] <BUGabundo> you have to look on lists.ubuntu.com
[18:34] <charlie-tca> mxboy15u: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/jaunty-changes
[18:34] <mxboy15u> great! thank you
[18:34] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[18:35] <deany> dont know if i can wait 17 days for final... itching to use jaunty
[18:35] <mxboy15u> i have been using it, I am just disappointed at my lack of ability to get my internal mic working
[18:35] <mxboy15u> that is the only problem I have come across
[18:35] <imachine> deany, it works okay, had it since alpha 3
[18:36] <imachine> deany, you can encounter some minor issues
[18:36] <imachine> deany, overall, it's okay. using ext4 too.
[18:36] <BluesKaj> deany, jaunty is quite stable on my setup , more so than intrepid ever was , even as a final release
[18:36] <imachine> the only thing I miss is bootsplash, but I don't think it's jaunty, it's something else.
[18:37] <mxboy15u> I want to use ext4, but I don't want to re-image all my hard work
[18:37] <mxboy15u> so i am stuck with ext3 forever i think
[18:38] <bruce89> mxboy15u: see http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Ext4
[18:38] <Ienorand> That's actually true... if you do not patch the hk-s issue manually it locks your updates, and you can't install new apps either... kinda bad (and yes I know there is a patch but I'm simulating average Joe here)
[18:41] <mxboy15u> that reads like it may be above my skill level
[18:42] <mxboy15u> are the benefits that real?
[18:42] <exco> can someone have a look at this http://pastebin.com/d1d2068b1 and tell me what to do (wpa/wpa2 not working with rt2860)
[18:43]  * BUGabundo looks
[18:43] <BUGabundo> exco: that's looks like a kernel or driver prob
[18:47] <exco> I'll check if there's already a bug report on it then
[18:57] <bytor4232> I did a cli install using the netboot installer.  How do I get a base x env installed?  I planned to just install the xfce4 package
[18:58] <jamalfanaian> bytor4232: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[18:58] <jamalfanaian> oh wait
[18:58] <jamalfanaian> sorry do xubuntu-desktop as the package
[18:58] <jamalfanaian> bytor4232: Started answering before finishing to read the entire line lol
[18:58] <bytor4232> jamalfanaian, I'm trying to go as minimal as possible.
[18:59] <jamalfanaian> bytor4232: Well, that will install all necessary packages for xfce4 to run
[18:59] <bytor4232> jamalfanaian, xubuntu-desktop doesn't run very well on my Compaq laptop with 256 meg.
[18:59] <jamalfanaian> bytor4232: now if you want to be more minimal than that, then that is beyond what i know
[18:59] <bytor4232> I'll give it a choke
[19:00] <jamalfanaian> bytor4232: Well, your only option would be to try and only install packages you need but that will take a lot of trying :\
[19:00] <bytor4232> jamalfanaian, I was just checking to see if there was a "x-server" metapackage for the basics
[19:00] <jamalfanaian> bytor4232: Ohh, I don't know if there is, sorry
[19:02] <bytor4232> jamalfanaian, Thats cool.  I'll trial and error it.
[19:02] <jamalfanaian> bytor4232: well good luck :)
[19:02] <darthanubis> wonder if the virtualbox bug got fixed freezing systems with the virtualization option enabled.
[19:02] <crdlb> maybe just install gdm
[19:04] <bytor4232> jamalfanaian, Yup, that worked
[19:04] <jamalfanaian> bytor4232: awesome :)
[19:05] <bytor4232> jamalfanaian, ha, firefox didn't even get installed!  Very cool.
[19:05] <jamalfanaian> bytor4232: Ahh really? That's good I guess, hehe
[19:06] <bytor4232> jamalfanaian, Exactly what I was looking for.  Awesome.  I saw that metapackage the other day while browsing the archive, and wondered what it did.  Looks like my steam powered laptop is going to get a modern desktop after all ;)
[19:06] <jamalfanaian> bytor4232: Haha, that's good :)
[19:08] <bytor4232> Its a compaq presario with 256 megs of ram and a 500 mhz processor
[19:08] <bytor4232> It was running fluxbox, but I'm not a fan.
[19:09]  * crdlb used to run gnome on a machine with similar specs
[19:09] <bytor4232> jamalfanaian, hahaha, appfinder isn't even installed!  Awesome.
[19:09] <crdlb> but I bumped it up to 384MB a while ago
[19:09] <jamalfanaian> bytor4232: I don't even know what appfinder is
[19:11] <bytor4232> jamalfanaian, XFCE's more annoying quirks.  You have to use it to find applications to add them to the panel.
[19:11] <jamalfanaian> bytor4232: Ohh! ok
[19:12] <mbeierl> say, anyone here know how to open the Java console in firefox under jaunty?  The menu item has gone away :(
[19:13] <mbeierl> this is for 9.04, 64 bit
[19:14] <mbeierl> so I have the 64b java plugin working, just no method of opening the Java console
[19:16] <mbeierl> doh!  found out how to force it to be created by using jcontrol.  at least now I can see it :)
[19:18] <Ienorand> Zomg, the hotkey-setup bug is up to 53 dupes by now... Luckily the patch has hit at least the main repo.
[19:18] <jamalfanaian> So what's the point of using 64-bit OS? Is it really worth it with all the issues of programs that don't release a 64-bit version?
[19:19] <bjsnider> what issues?
[19:19] <jamalfanaian> bjsnider: Well when I tried 64-bit Ubuntu a while back I couldn't get Flash working
[19:20] <jamalfanaian> Then a ton of programs didn't release 64-bit versions, the only one I can remember now is Skype
[19:20] <bjsnider> jamalfanaian, well, there's a native 64 bit flash out now that works better thant he 32 bit crap
[19:20] <jamalfanaian> So there was just always trouble with getting things working
[19:20] <Ienorand> jamalfanaian: It works for me currently
[19:20] <jamalfanaian> bjsnider: oh really? didn't know that, that's awesome :)
[19:20] <jamalfanaian> but still, my question is.. what are the benefits of running a 64-bit OS?
[19:21] <jamalfanaian> I don't have 4GB of memory, which is the only plus I'm aware of
[19:21] <bjsnider> the flash 64 bit plugin also has native pulseaudio support, so no sound issues
[19:21] <pierlux> where can I get help regarding no audio with a brand new Intel motherboard ? (the bug reports seems to mention that latest alsa has only digital out) (with Jaunty)
[19:23] <bjsnider> jamalfanaian, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=368607
[19:26] <Delvien> What is the arguement to run an application with pulseaudio as in  ( -alsa will run with alsa, and -oss will run oss)
[19:26] <Ienorand> jamalfanaian: And I've managed to get skype working as well using the unofficial repackaged thing from skype: http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-ubuntu-amd64
[19:27] <jamalfanaian> Oohh, there is a 64-bit version, ok...
[19:27] <jamalfanaian> Thanks for the info :)
[19:27] <jamalfanaian> bjsnider: thanks for this link
[19:28] <bjsnider> jamalfanaian, your original complaint about amd64, ie. no flash, is now quite the opposite, ie. flash now works better on amd64
[19:29] <jamalfanaian> bjsnider: yeah you pointed that out earlier, hehe :)
[19:29] <kulight> any one know how to get fglrx work on ATI x1250 in ubuntu 9.04
[19:29] <Ienorand> jamalfanaian: It's not *actually* a 64bit version, just the 32bit with hacked dependencies and architecture tag so it installs and works fine ( at least for me )
[19:29] <jamalfanaian> bjsnider: I didn't know VMs could improve in 64bit, so I will have to play with that sometime
[19:29] <jamalfanaian> Ienorand: ahh ok, that makes sense
[19:30] <crdlb> kulight: it's not possible, unless you downgrade X
[19:30] <kulight> but there were publictions about beta in the repos
[19:31] <crdlb> sure
[19:31] <crdlb> but it doesn't support anything other than r600 and r700
[19:31] <kulight> Ienorand: you can get real 64bit flash here: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/
[19:31] <crdlb> the x1250 is an RS690, but apparently that doesn't count
[19:32] <kulight> but x1250 is rs690...
[19:32] <crdlb> note the S :)
[19:32] <kulight> its still r690 as far as i know
[19:33] <crdlb> it's not
[19:33] <crdlb> it has nothing in common with r600 GPUs
[19:33] <Ienorand> kulight: I was talking about skype... and that looks promising, so ubuntu is still using a 32bit per default?
[19:33] <crdlb> "In terms of support, the 690/740 would be in the same class as 3xx-5xx since they have a 4xx-series 3D engine. I believe there will be specific exceptions for new designs but so far all the OEM activity is Windows only (which has been the norm anyways)."
[19:33] <kulight> Ienorand: yes
[19:33] <crdlb>   --an ATI employee
[19:34] <kulight> crdlb:  you are --an ATI employee ?
[19:35] <crdlb> no, hence the quotes :)
[19:35] <crdlb> I've got one of those too, but it doesn't affect me since it's already using the radeon driver on intrepid
[19:35] <TABASCO> Hi there
[19:35] <mysticdarkhack> hey all
[19:36] <mysticdarkhack> in Jaunty, has everyone able to have flash working, inclding some video playback in flash on firefox?
[19:36] <jamalfanaian> mysticdarkhack: it works for me
[19:36] <TABASCO> In my Jaunty NBR, the gnome panel disappeared. I can not move windows any more now and Alt+F2 does not give me the ability to run commands. All I can do is run gnome-panel from command line, but this does not really work like it should
[19:37] <kulight> crdlb: yes but its kind of not perfect (i dont know the word in english for what i want to say)
[19:37] <mysticdarkhack> jamalfanaian, see if you visit cnettv and see if the video there work for you
[19:37] <bjsnider> crdlb, the fglrx garbage won't ever support the old junk again, right?
[19:37] <kulight> mysticdarkhack: yes
[19:37] <crdlb> kulight: it's sufficient for compiz and video, which is all I need it to do
[19:38] <crdlb> bjsnider: they have said there won't be any nvidia-style legacy releases
[19:38] <bjsnider> crdlb, and that includes no support for x server 1.6, ie. no jaunty suport?
[19:38] <crdlb> right
[19:38] <mysticdarkhack> kulight, see if you visit cnettv and see if the video there work for you?
[19:38] <jamalfanaian> mysticdarkhack: guess audio isn't working lol, but the video plays!
[19:38] <kulight> crdlb: true. but it flashes when moving windows or doing heavy grphics
[19:38] <weatherkid> Is there a list of apps in Jaunty?
[19:39] <crdlb> kulight: it should get better eventually :/
[19:39] <mysticdarkhack> jamalfanaian, well mine won't play video or sounds
[19:40] <kulight> mysticdarkhack: it works perfectly on 9.04 64bit
[19:40] <jamalfanaian> mysticdarkhack: ah i see, weird
[19:40] <kulight> crdlb: i hope so
[19:40] <mysticdarkhack> jamalfanaian, even when you visit cnn and play the live feed.
[19:40] <bruce89> weatherkid: rather difficult to list 23000 packages
[19:40] <bruce89> 26000 sorry
[19:40] <crdlb> kulight: it really is way too early for them to drop the RS690 support
[19:41] <crdlb> considering it's their current product ...
[19:41] <weatherkid> I was talking about desktop apps
[19:41] <mysticdarkhack> kulight, mine won't on 64bit
[19:41] <bjsnider> crdlb, do you have xvideo with the radeon driver?
[19:41] <kulight> crdlb: i think so too but i have no say @ ATI :)
[19:41] <weatherkid> but next question-Is Jaunty the next LTS?
[19:41] <bjsnider> weatherkid, no
[19:41] <Pici> No.
[19:42] <weatherkid> when is that coming out
[19:42] <kulight> mysticdarkhack: try using this: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/
[19:42] <bruce89> weatherkid: 10.04 I suppose
[19:42] <mnemo> 10.10 will be LTS
[19:42] <mysticdarkhack> kulight, any suggestion to fixing this?
[19:42] <mnemo> yeah sry 10.04
[19:42] <bruce89> but that'd be GNOME 3.0
[19:42] <crdlb> bjsnider: yes, I had to enable EXA to make it work with compiz though (which is default in jaunty)
[19:43] <bjsnider> crdlb, you mean uxa?
[19:43] <crdlb> UXA is intel
[19:43] <crdlb> my X1250 is still running intrepid
[19:43] <bjsnider> oh, exa is only broken on intel i guess, not ati
[19:44] <crdlb> where XAA was still the default for radeon
[19:44] <kulight> crdlb: mine is jaunty
[19:44] <raindog> Is there a way to control how notifications pop up?  Specifically when I turn on gwibber after having had it off for some time I get tons of notifications that take several minutes to run though.
[19:44] <bjsnider> crdlb, are there any annoyances with the radeon driver?
[19:44] <crdlb> I did try the beta livecd though, which worked ok
[19:44] <TABASCO> Okay I can not move any windows now..
[19:44] <crdlb> bjsnider: I haven't noticed any, but I don't use that computer much
[19:45] <TABASCO> I tried to change into the desktop mode, there I had at least the gnome panels (both) and when I switched back I had the gnome panel at the top, but the window-picker-applet does not work. I have no heads at the windows.
[19:46] <kulight> bjsnider: there are minor gliches and flashes other than that its fine (not great performance)
[19:46] <bjsnider> crdlb, does that driver use gem?
[19:47] <crdlb> bjsnider: not yet, afaik
[19:47] <TABASCO> Can I reset the whole stuff somehow?
[19:47] <bjsnider> strange. i understood dave airlie had written gem/ttm hybrid into it awhile back
[19:49] <neo__> Hi all
[19:49] <neo__> I have found this bug in the hotkey-setup :
[19:49] <bjsnider> TAB wipe out your ~/.gconf directory
[19:50] <bjsnider> TABASCO,  wipe out your ~/.gconf directory
[19:50] <neo__> /etc/init.d/hotkey-setup: 33: Syntax error: ";;" unexpected (expecting "fi")
[19:50] <neo__> invoke-rc.d: initscript hotkey-setup, action "stop" failed.
[19:50] <Pici> neo__: bug 356157
[19:50] <neo__> I tried to replace ;; with fi but I got another error that it expected fi insted of ;;
[19:50] <neo__> thank you
[19:51] <Creative1412> guys why (root,toor) is not used in  ubuntu 9.04 i can't even use su!
[19:51] <clearscreen> Creative1412: use sudo
[19:51] <Pici> neo__: The latest updates should fix that, they are on the main mirrors now.
[19:51] <bruce89> !root
[19:51] <kulight> neo__: i have this bug too. it is being fixed
[19:52] <bjsnider> that's funny. nerdy. fanboyish, but funny
[19:52] <TABASCO> bjsnider: Great. Thank you!
[19:53] <LiMaO> anyone else having problems with hotkey-setup?
[19:53] <TABASCO> Well, maybe this is not the right place but if developers of jaunty are here I want to thank you all for your work, all I have seen and tested myself yet is really GREAT work. I am absolutely amazed.
[19:54] <kulight> LiMaO: yes...
[19:54] <kulight> LiMaO: bug 356157
[19:54] <bruce89> hmm, GNOME, X, freedeskop, etc. is where the most work is done
[19:54] <bruce89> Debian also
[19:55] <LiMaO> kulight: let me check it, because i've used aptitude -f remove and it still presents errors
[19:56] <neo__> kulight could you please tell me how to add this patch ? should I replace it with the old hotkey-setup file ?
[19:56] <kulight> LiMaO: ill check
[19:56] <kulight> neo__: it sould be in the repos...
[19:57] <bjsnider> that bug says a fix was released
[19:58] <kulight> bjsnider: yes but those who installed the buggy version still get errors
[19:58] <Tumie> why a lot of things are broken in jaunty ??
[19:58] <neo__> ok
[19:58] <LiMaO> Tumie: it's a beta version ;)
[19:58] <Tumie> LiMa0: but a lot of packages just aren't working..
[19:59] <Tumie> aMSN can't even connect,,
[19:59] <LiMaO> Tumie: mine does.. it connects just fine
[19:59] <Pici> Tumie: Are there bugs filed for the issues?
[19:59] <bjsnider> Tumie, that package is broken upstream. it's not just the ubuntu version
[20:01] <kulight> neo__: just did update and upgrade and the hotkey thing seems to be fixed
[20:01] <Ienorand> kulight: I installed the buggy one and the *12 version fixed it... it should be in main repo at least.... there you go
[20:01] <Tumie> i've also the problemm that the update-manager can't find all the packages
[20:02] <kulight> Ienorand: its just came through
[20:03] <Ienorand> They released a *11 version which only worked if you hadn't upgraded to the bugged *10 version, and then now about an hour ago the *12 version hit the main which should solve all issues...
[20:03] <kulight> well it did for me
[20:03] <Creative1412> fsu using fixed by sudo passwd
[20:04] <Creative1412> sudo*
[20:04] <kulight> any one having problems with broadcom on jaunty ?
[20:05] <jeltsch> I use Kubuntu 9.04 beta (KDE 4.2.2). Where do I import SSL certificates?
[20:07] <LiMaO> kulight: patch applied, everything is just fine now
[20:08] <LiMaO> kulight: thank you
[20:08] <kulight> LiMaO: no problem ( ihavent done any thing :D )
[20:08] <LiMaO> kulight: pointed at the right direction =P
[20:09] <mysticdarkhack> lol
[20:09] <mysticdarkhack> got the 64bit flash working now
[20:09] <LiMaO> now i just gotta wait for amarok developers to include the various artists options in a more intuitive way into amarok 2
[20:09] <kulight> mysticdarkhack: wlcome to the club
[20:09] <mysticdarkhack> kulight, thanks
[20:10] <mysticdarkhack> kulight, I wonder if ubuntu will be using that version of the link you sent me
[20:11] <kulight> mysticdarkhack: i can tell you that they wont as it is an so cold alpha
[20:11] <mysticdarkhack> kulight, I see
[20:11] <kulight> *called
[20:12] <mysticdarkhack> well I'm glad 64bit flash at last
[20:12] <mysticdarkhack> boy depend on lib31 stuff is a pain sometime
[20:12] <Unksi> jeltsch: if you open konqueror and go to settings -> configure konqueror -> web browsing -> crypto, there is your certificates and ssl signers.. are either of these what you are looking for?
[20:12] <mysticdarkhack> boy depend on lib32 stuff is a pain sometime
[20:12] <kulight> it works fine except for heavy cpu load
[20:12] <mysticdarkhack> true
[20:13] <jeltsch> Unksi: Yes, thank you. But SSL isn’t only used in Konqueror. SSL configuration used to be available from the control center which makes perfect sense. Isn’t it available there anymore? Why?
[20:14] <Unksi> youre welcome, no idea.. i just remembered seeing it there before :)
[20:14] <mysticdarkhack> well I'm off now all and ty for helping out
[20:18] <kulight> well its time for beer... so be good
[20:21] <jeltsch> One of Ubuntu’s aims is to be available in all kinds of languages.
[20:21] <jeltsch> However, it has serious deficiencies when it comes to translations, even with more popular languages like German.
[20:21] <raindog> Is there a way to control how notifications pop up?  Specifically when I turn on gwibber after having had it off for some time I get tons of notifications that take several minutes to run though.
[20:22] <jeltsch> I just wanted to contribute some German translations via Launchpad but was told that this is only for Ubuntu-specific software.
[20:22] <jeltsch> So I wonder a bit why the Ubuntu people don’t want me to provide, for example, KDE-related translations?
[20:22] <Unksi> jeltsch: yea, if you want to translate something else, you should go to the software website itself and see how they have arranged its translations there
[20:22] <Unksi> jeltsch: because that is handled by kde
[20:22] <Unksi> not ubuntu
[20:23] <jeltsch> Unksi: And why does the “Translate this application” menu item exist in every KDE application then?
[20:23] <Unksi> doesnt it direct to the kde site?
[20:23] <jeltsch> No, to Launchpad.
[20:23] <Unksi> hmm thats weird
[20:23] <jeltsch> It was added by the Kubuntu people, to my knowledge.
[20:24] <jeltsch> AFAIK, it’s not there in vanilla KDE.
[20:24] <bruce89> jeltsch: it's some silly Ubuntu nonsense
[20:24] <Unksi> hmm there seems to be some templates in launchpad
[20:24] <Unksi> not totally sure how this thing works though
[20:25] <jeltsch> And how do the OpenSUSE people manage to provide a completely translated KDE? Do they add their own translations?
[20:25] <Unksi> probably^
[20:25] <bruce89> they want people to just translate things in Ubuntu you see
[20:25] <jeltsch> bruce89: But the German Ubuntu translators don’t want me to translate stuff which is not Ubuntu-specific.
[20:25] <jeltsch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGermanTranslators/Kurzinfo
[20:25] <jeltsch> (in German)
[20:26] <bruce89> jeltsch: they are good ones then
[20:26] <yow|x2> cwillu - im getting massive freezing again, just fyi. if i dont respond, that means my system froze again lol
[20:26] <bruce89> jeltsch: the en_GB ones however are nuts
[20:26] <jeltsch> bruce89: Who are good ones? The German translators?
[20:26] <bruce89> yes
[20:26] <jeltsch> But I thought, the Launchpad translation thing is to provide a central place where Ubuntu users can direct all their translations to.
[20:27] <jeltsch> And the Launchpad people would give translations to upstream developers maybe.
[20:27] <raindog> Is there any way to control notifications and their behavior?
[20:27] <jeltsch> This would be much easier for me, the user.
[20:28] <jeltsch> Comitting translations via Launchpad seems easy. Commiting translations to the KDE codebase seems like something I don’t want to do.
[20:28] <bruce89> jeltsch: they should do
[20:28] <bruce89> jeltsch: GNOME with git and damned lies
[20:28] <jeltsch> damned lies?
[20:28] <bruce89> http://l10n.gnome.org/
[20:29] <jeltsch> bruce89: I don’t understand. Should GNOME translations reported via Launchpad or directly to damned lies?
[20:30] <jeltsch> And how about KDE?
[20:30] <bruce89> jeltsch: Damned lies I'd say
[20:30]  * bruce89 is a en_GBer for GNOME now
[20:30] <jmarek> Hello everybody...
[20:31] <jmarek> I have problems, when I tried to update my Ubuntu jaunty: server with IP 91.189.88.40 and even 91.189.88.45 freeze my connection and tshark show me, that my computer tried TCP retransmission...
[20:31] <ActionParsnip> jeltsch: you could try kde to see if its ok, you can always remove it
[20:32] <jeltsch> ActionParsnip: What do you mean?
[20:32] <jeltsch> I wanted to know how to provide translations for KDE applications.
[20:32] <slytherin> jmarek: have you tried some different mirror?
[20:33] <jmarek> I have set a cz.archive.ubuntu.com in apt/sources.list...
[20:34] <ActionParsnip> jeltsch: try kde to see if it fixes what you need
[20:34] <jeltsch> ActionParsnip: I’m already running KDE:
[20:35] <ActionParsnip> ahhh
[20:37] <Aizawa> Hey, I'm trying to boot the jaunty playstation 3 disc, but all I get after selecting my video mode (live video=ps3fb:mode:X) is a black screen, and nothing happens. I've tried different video modes even though I know my TV is a PAL SDTV. Please?
[20:41] <jmarek> And... I've tried today to install server with jaunty via netboot install and when machine start to install new system on formatted disk, then I've got twice freeze on libc6 package. That was on the same sets of mirror (cz.archive.ubuntu.com).
[20:42] <Stormx2> Hi. Trying to install the beta. After keyboard setup, I hit "next", a window comes up saying "Setting up the partitioner...", goes away, and then nothing! The "next" button is disabled, and the partitioner doesn't come up
[20:43] <jmarek> Is there a problem with capacity of line to the insternet on mirrors?
[20:43] <ActionParsnip> Stormx2: did you md5 check the iso as well as verify it was consistant  on the first boot screen after burning at the slowest speed you could?
[20:44] <Stormx2> I know the .iso was okay, not sure if the burn was as good.
[20:44] <ActionParsnip> then test it
[20:45] <ActionParsnip> boot to cd, then select check cd for defects
[20:45] <Stormx2> how could a defect cause this behaviour?
[20:45] <Stormx2> actually, I 'spose it could just be ignoring errors from the partitioner or summat.
[20:46] <ActionParsnip> if the data on the cd is bad, programs can act sterangely
[20:46] <Ienorand> Stormx2: Possibly,you tried using gparte manually?
[20:46] <ActionParsnip> its worth checking so you know what you are installing is good
[20:46] <jmarek> Stormx2: have Ubuntu recognized your disks?
[20:46] <amortvigil> hey are there still daily builds?
[20:46] <Ienorand> amortvigil: Yup
[20:47] <JDahl> I completely lost sound in KDE 4.2 after recent updates. Has than happened to others here?
[20:47] <Ienorand> amortvigil: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[20:47] <Stormx2> Hold up. I'm downloading the alternative CD now anyway, I usually end up using it anyway as the graphical installer has never been 100%
[20:48] <ActionParsnip> !sound | JDahl
[20:49] <amortvigil> Ienorand: thanx
[20:51] <koperton> ActionParsnip: xD i have solved my problem with kernel real time
[21:05] <eternal_p> does anyone else find it takes a long time for firefox to load?
[21:07] <darthanubis> eternal_p, noper
[21:07] <eternal_p> hmm...takes 5-10 seconds to load
[21:08] <dooglus> where can I find a torrent for the newest test version of the 9.04 install CD?
[21:08] <ActionParsnip> eternal_p: firefox sucks with ram, so yes. I use opera
[21:08] <ActionParsnip> eternal_p: you could apt-build it with high optomisation to maybe get some extra speed
[21:08] <darthanubis> dooglus, try google
[21:08] <darthanubis> or ubuntu.com?
[21:08] <eternal_p> ActionParsnip: naa...it isn't a dealbreaker, and when it runs, it is perfect, just loading takes a while
[21:09] <ActionParsnip> eternal_p: i apt-built mine and its a little better
[21:09] <eternal_p> ACtionParsnip: apt-build.. ?
[21:10] <ActionParsnip> eternal_p: it uses deb-src instead of deb and compiles the app instead of prebuilt apps, its synonymous with gentoo emerge
[21:10] <eternal_p> so sudo apt-build firefox ?
[21:10] <ActionParsnip> eternal_p: sudo apt-build install firefox
[21:11] <eternal_p> do I need to uninstall what I have now?
[21:11] <ActionParsnip> eternal_p: it takes longer to install as its compiled but it can improve speed
[21:11] <bjsnider> eternal_p, do you have a powerful rig there?
[21:11] <ActionParsnip> eternal_p: dont think it needs uninstalling as the files made wil be the same, just optiomised
[21:11] <deany> Does it do the same for any deps a package has?
[21:12] <deany> or only packages specified in the apt-build command
[21:12] <eternal_p> bjsnier: centrino duo at 2.1, so it does the job
[21:12] <ActionParsnip> eternal_p: how much ram?
[21:12] <eternal_p> 4gb
[21:12] <eternal_p> 64-bit os
[21:12] <bjsnider> well, it really should be faster thant hat
[21:13] <ActionParsnip> should be fine, i'd compile firefox
[21:13] <eternal_p> ActionParsnip: apt-build not found
[21:13] <eternal_p> i'm assuming apt-get install apt-build
[21:13] <ActionParsnip> eternal_p: sudo apt-get install apt-build; sudo apt-build update; sudo apt-build install firefox
[21:15] <eternal_p> any idea which architecutre to use..I'm assuming athlon64 or core2?
[21:15] <ActionParsnip> eternal_p: make sure youo use sse3
[21:16] <eternal_p> so athlon64-sse3 then
[21:16] <ActionParsnip> yes
[21:16] <ActionParsnip> sse3 is sweeeet
[21:16] <slytherin> what is apt-build?
[21:17] <ActionParsnip> slytherin: it uses deb-src repos to get source debs and compile the app rather than the binary ones in deb repos
[21:17] <slytherin> ActionParsnip: what difference does that make?
[21:18] <ActionParsnip> slytherin: the debs may not be as optomised as they can, you may find they are compiled for amd64 but may not use sse3 for example
[21:18] <ActionParsnip> slytherin: if you compile them with higher or lower optomisation you can get different performance from the app
[21:18] <slytherin> ActionParsnip: ok, not for me then.
[21:19] <bjsnider> I'm sure ubuntu's vm build system uses all possible optimizations
[21:19] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: it may not, this way yuo can be sure
[21:20] <bjsnider> but i think there's an underlying problem with his firefox profile that's causing the slowdown
[21:20] <bjsnider> maybe too many addons or buggy addons or whatever
[21:20] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: possibly, firefox isnt the fastest browser anyway
[21:21] <eternal_p> ActionParsnip: your right, does take a long time to install/compile
[21:22] <deany> got my FF loaded with addons, its flying along for me
[21:22] <ActionParsnip> eternal_p: on your system, probably not
[21:22] <ActionParsnip> deany: try opera or swiftfox
[21:24] <bjsnider> eternal_p, try starting firefox with: firefox -P
[21:25] <eternal_p> bjsnider: nope, it is something (must be) to do with my profile
[21:25] <eternal_p> in Firefox that is...
[21:28] <deany> ActionParsnip, tried opera..  I see no need to switch yet
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> i fiind opera is drastically faster
[21:29] <deany> but i find FF a lot more useful
[21:30] <bjsnider> is this going to get ugly now?
[21:30] <deany> lol, nope
[21:30] <ActionParsnip> nar
[21:30] <deany> everyones happy.
[21:30] <bjsnider> i sense tension
[21:30] <bjsnider> possibly leading to violence
[21:30] <JMFTheVCI> happy with Firefox....
[21:30] <ActionParsnip> i'm not especially but belly aching here does very little
[21:31] <Volkodav> epiphany beats them all on speed at least
[21:31] <Volkodav> since gnome integrated
[21:31] <ActionParsnip> you'll find w3m is faster
[21:32] <JMFTheVCI> chromiun is very fast, but incomplete
[21:32] <zash> deluge craches my internets :(
[21:32] <JMFTheVCI> zash: you have more than one Internet?
[21:32] <ActionParsnip> yeah chromium should be sweet
[21:32] <zash> JMFTheVCI: ... yes .. i do
[21:33] <JMFTheVCI> Internet - There can be only one!
[21:33] <bjsnider> deluge has been terrible since the 1.0 release
[21:33] <JMFTheVCI> <off topic already.....>
[21:33] <zash> JMFTheVCI: http://p.zash.se/9UiRyA.txt
[21:33] <Volkodav> I don't trust google anymore
[21:34] <craigubuntu> hi all
[21:34] <Volkodav> and reasons they created their own browser
[21:34] <craigubuntu> Hi all i wonder if someone can help a newbie ubuntu user- i am using the ubuntu 9.04 and am trying to set up a network - basically got wireless router - on dhcp for two computers - which work perfectly /networking etc (ip range 192.168.1.x). I also have another router which i am using wired ip range 192.168.2.x.  I can ping the other computer so the network is working but i want to be able to use the wired for shares etc. at moment it isnt allowing me
[21:34] <ikonia> craigubuntu: as I explained I would strongly advise using a stable release, 9.04 is not stable
[21:35] <craigubuntu> ikonia thanks i appreciate the advice - the issue here is not the stability for the moment (though it may be later!) this is a networking question in regards to linux
[21:35] <bjsnider> craigubuntu, by default there aren't any firewall rules to prevent sharing
[21:35] <ikonia> craigubuntu: then if you are unable to master the basic of networking - I suggest you may be struggling to use the beta
[21:36] <Volkodav> they don't even have chromium for 64 bit ?
[21:36] <ikonia> craigubuntu: the routing table will be the same on 8.04/8.10/9.04
[21:36] <ikonia> Volkodav: ask google
[21:36] <slytherin> craigubuntu: is it networking question or file sharing question?
[21:36] <ActionParsnip> Volkodav: theres no linux chromium yet afaik
[21:36] <craigubuntu> ok so if there is two network cards ubuntu should recognise this with regards to hostname ?
[21:36] <JMFTheVCI> The 9.04 beta is not the place for relative newbies to be debugging networks issues.
[21:36] <Volkodav> do apt-cache search chromium
[21:36] <ikonia> craigubuntu: no, with regard to ip
[21:36] <ikonia> craigubuntu: or name resolution
[21:36] <Volkodav> chromium-browser - Chromium browser
[21:36] <Volkodav> ia32-libs-chromium-browser - Chromium browser, ia32-libs
[21:38] <ActionParsnip> Volkodav: thats the windows version running via wine
[21:38] <craigubuntu> ok so when accessing a share using smb the ipaddress doesnt work - any advice
[21:38] <craigubuntu> it works on the wireless card
[21:38] <craigubuntu> but not on the wired connection
[21:39] <ikonia> craigubuntu: I suggest a stable release - that's my advice
[21:39] <craigubuntu> ikonia ok suppose i asked the same question regarding the stable release
[21:39] <craigubuntu> what would be your solution?
[21:39] <Squark> maybe you need to restart network manager.
[21:39] <JMFTheVCI> craigubuntu: Two network cards in a box will require an IP for each. If they are on different networks then you may need routing to get between the two. Have you tried disabling wireless and then see if wired, the only valid connection, works?
[21:39] <ikonia> craigubuntu: your not - so that's not m answer
[21:39] <slytherin> craigubuntu: seems to be related to route. are you able to ping the machine?
[21:39] <ikonia> craigubuntu: I would remove basic networking issues out of the problem
[21:39] <craigubuntu> I will try that Squark
[21:40] <craigubuntu> yep sly i am able to ping
[21:40] <Volkodav> ActionParsnip no it is not
[21:40] <Volkodav> I have it installed and it is linux pre alpha
[21:40] <ikonia> samba will bind to the ip of the hostname only unless you say explicitly in the config
[21:40] <JMFTheVCI> can you ping the machine on both networks/IPs?
[21:41] <craigubuntu> yep
[21:41] <ActionParsnip> Volkodav: can yuo link me up
[21:41] <craigubuntu> one is on range 192.168.1.x (wireless) and wired is 192.168.2.x
[21:41] <ikonia> craigubuntu: you need to set your routing properly and make sure samba is bound to the correct interface
[21:42] <Squark> When I try to install latest Jaunty with ext4 when it comes to partitioning the disk I simply cannot choose EXT4. There's no ext4 in the menu.
[21:42] <Squark> I've already tried with two different builds..
[21:42] <Squark> same problem.
[21:42] <craigubuntu> ahh ok ikonia that is sorta making sense
[21:42] <slytherin> Squark: graphical installer or text installer?
[21:42] <Squark> Graphical.
[21:43] <Squark> Live-Cd.
[21:43] <BUGabundo> Squark: known bug. its fixed now
[21:43] <Squark> now, like in latest build?
[21:43] <BUGabundo> Squark: bug 354851
[21:43] <Volkodav> ActionParsnip do you have this on your apt sources ?  http://ppa.launchpad.net jaunty/main
[21:43] <Squark> Ok, I will check it out.
[21:44] <Squark> Thanks.
[21:44] <craigubuntu> is samba not installed by default in Ubuntu?
[21:45] <craigubuntu> is the filesharing feature ubuntu uses different
[21:45] <Volkodav> If not get it in and install as normal your chromium
[21:45] <ActionParsnip> let me try
[21:45] <ikonia> craigubuntu: I don't think samba is installed by default, but smbfs is
[21:45] <ikonia> craigubuntu: just check for yourself
[21:45] <craigubuntu> ahh
[21:45] <craigubuntu> ok ikonia
[21:45] <craigubuntu> thanks
[21:45] <bjsnider> Volkodav, the only chromium i've got here is a game
[21:45] <craigubuntu> yep must have been good being born knowing linux!
[21:45] <ActionParsnip> !info chromium
[21:46] <slytherin> craigubuntu: samba server is not installed by default.
[21:46] <craigubuntu> thanks sly
[21:46] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: chromium-browser
[21:46] <craigubuntu> yep got it now figured
[21:46] <Volkodav> you have to have  http://ppa.launchpad.net jaunty/main
[21:46] <craigubuntu> thanks all for assistance!
[21:46] <BUGabundo> from univirse
[21:46] <JMFTheVCI> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/chromium-daily/ppa/ubuntu intrepid main
[21:46] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, not here
[21:46] <Volkodav> it is sooo not ready though
[21:47] <JMFTheVCI> for those wanting to use Chromium
[21:47] <BUGabundo> JMFTheVCI: that's for ibex! you want the one for jaunty
[21:47] <Volkodav> Setting up chromium-browser (2.0.170.0~svn20090310r11348-0ubuntu1~fta1) ...
[21:47] <JMFTheVCI> Sorry, There is a jaunty version. Just change the last bit.
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> Volkodav: http://pastebin.com/f2bf8ba1
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> ok let me add the repo
[21:48] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: you are right! its not in Universe
[21:48] <bjsnider> i'm not right, i'm correct
[21:49] <BUGabundo> brb
[21:49] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: or to the left
[21:49] <bjsnider> i'm not left either
[21:50] <Volkodav> add the repo I said anf it will show up http://pastebin.com/m31d84fe6
[21:51] <bjsnider> is it using gtk?
[21:54] <Volkodav> yes
[21:54] <bjsnider> which version of webkit?
[21:56] <bytor4232> Jaunty has brought new life to my old Compaq laptop!
[21:56] <bytor4232> Memory management must be improved or something.
[21:57] <bjsnider> compaqs never had any life to begin with
[21:57] <bytor4232> This thing won't die.  Presario 700, 500 mhz processor, 256 megs of ram.
[21:58] <bjsnider> put vista on it
[21:58] <bytor4232> I installed Jaunty from the netboot, cli only install.  Ran "apt-get install xfce4" and I was golden.  Its running really well.
[22:00] <ActionParsnip> Volkodav: yeah its really not ready, but seems not bad
[22:01] <JMFTheVCI> ActionParsnip: It can be ready for some. I'm not willing to break my very stable intrepid just yet.
[22:01] <JMFTheVCI> I keep checking in here to see just how stable the latest beta still is?
[22:03] <bjsnider> JMFTheVCI, what graphics card?
[22:05] <BluesKaj> JMFTheVCI, interesting , but jaunty is more stable than intrepid on my setup..I had all kinds of graphical artifacts with it
[22:06] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: same here
[22:07] <JMFTheVCI> I have standard Intel graphics. No NVIDIA
[22:08] <bjsnider> JMFTheVCI, well, that's a problem
[22:09] <JMFTheVCI> I come in and see a new "it's broken" message very other day. Python, Nvidia etc. They do get fixed but I am not that into fixing linux. I like it to work. I am learning more but I like an easier life....
[22:09] <bjsnider> then wait
[22:11] <JMFTheVCI> I am.
[22:11] <JMFTheVCI> and I am not griping about the speed. I am quite content to wait to the RC or even the GA...
[22:12] <bytor4232> JMFTheVCI, Upgrading to the beta made me run to Xubuntu on my laptop.  I had it pretty cherried out, Compiz, Avant, all the bells and whistles.  I had nothing but problems after I made the jump.
[22:13] <seven> Hi guys, Im having some issues with my keyboard layout, it isnt working as intend under wine, especially a game called wow, If I press the numeric keys above azerty, 6 and 8 don't work as intended , and the = key triggers the function that is binded to 6
[22:13] <bytor4232> JMFTheVCI, Don't let the "beta" label fool ya, I've found from experience that Release Candidates are the only "stable" development release.
[22:13] <LinuxRevolution> how can i stop this beep alarm when I want to shutdown?
[22:15] <JMFTheVCI> bytor4232: Yes, and that is fine. I will give it a go and deal with the issues. I will just look for a time when less bugs appear.
[22:15] <JMFTheVCI> or less showstopper bugs appear.
[22:15] <LinuxRevolution> please help
[22:15] <JMFTheVCI> or bugs that don't effect my particular system.
[22:16] <JMFTheVCI> LinuxRevolution: Does this beep occur at a particular time in the shutdown?
[22:16] <bytor4232> JMFTheVCI, It was like this with 8.10, 8.04, 7.10.  They run pretty unstable, and warn you that it will be unstable, right up to the Release. Makes sense, but usually when you see "Beta" you feel a little safe.
[22:16] <LinuxRevolution> JMFTheVCI: when I wanna shut down it Beeeeeeeeeeeeep :D
[22:16] <KRF> hey there, is the vpnc stuff in the network manager in kubuntu jaunty supposed to work?
[22:17] <JMFTheVCI> LinuxRev: As soon as you click the shutdown icon?
[22:18] <LinuxRevolution> JMFTheVCI: yes yes
[22:18] <JMFTheVCI> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=977018
[22:18] <JMFTheVCI> About disabling beeps.
[22:19] <LinuxRevolution> JMFTheVCI: thanks a lot :)
[22:19] <JMFTheVCI> Google is your friend.
[22:19] <LinuxRevolution> JMFTheVCI: i did but couldnt find this page
[22:34] <dooglus> I'm trying to install the 9.04 beta using the wubi.exe installer
[22:35] <dooglus> it seems to die as soon as I click 'install inside windows'
[22:35] <dooglus> what do I need to do?
[22:38] <pHreaksYcle1> my nautilus gives me a seg. fault, i don't get a desktop with icons. someone, please help me
[22:38] <pHreaksYcle1> basically right now my nautilus will not start up, either automatically or manually
[22:40] <pHreaksYcle1> anyone seen this before?
[22:40] <filosofix> when playing regular or flash video the playback will slow down for 10-15 seconds , while audio plays normally, before it speeds up to catch up with the sounds. This can happen every 4-5 minutes during video-playback... anyone knows what is wrong?
[22:41] <thiebaude> filosofix: did you try and re-install flash?
[22:41] <pHreaksYcle1> . . .
[22:41] <filosofix> thiebaude : it happens with any video file too...
[22:41] <filosofix> thiebaude : and any player...
[22:41] <thiebaude> pHreaksYcle1: i dont why your getting a segmentation fault
[22:41] <pHreaksYcle1> thiebaude: me either :)
[22:42] <pHreaksYcle1> evilaim: are you there?
[22:42] <TuoDrable> aha great
[22:42] <TuoDrable> hotkey's fixed
[22:42] <thiebaude> pHreaksYcle1: if you cant use nautilus maybe you can use thunar
[22:43] <thiebaude> ?
[22:43] <pHreaksYcle1> thiebaude: how exactly do you mean? make it my default?
[22:43] <thiebaude> TuoDrable: i know i'am glad
[22:43] <TuoDrable> That leaves one last problem
[22:43] <pHreaksYcle1> i am using it right now to get at files, but i need to be able to have files on the desktop
[22:43] <TuoDrable> sound in flash :(
[22:43] <thiebaude> no, use thunar if you cant use nautilus
[22:43] <TuoDrable> it was a pain in 8.10 too
[22:44] <filosofix> thiebaude : it seems to not be a problem when compiz is disabled...
[22:44] <pHreaksYcle1> thiebaude: right, but i install thunar and when i click things it still tries to open in nautilus and there still are no icons on the desktop
[22:44] <dtchen> TuoDrable: make sure you're using Flash 10, and make sure the stream is being directed to the desired sink.
[22:44] <dtchen> TuoDrable: install pavucontrol and check
[22:44] <TuoDrable> will do, thanks
[22:45] <pHreaksYcle1> wtf.
[22:48] <pHreaksYcle1> Okay, if anyone can help me with this problem I would appreciate it. Right now, when I boot up, I get no icons on my desktop. When I try to run nautilus on my CLI it tells me Segmentation fault (core dumped). Right now I cannot get nautilus to work, and a reinstall did not help. Please PLEASE help me out, been at this like 15 hours.
[22:48] <TuoDrable> hmm
[22:49] <TuoDrable> and how did it happen?
[22:49] <pHreaksYcle1> how did what happen?
[22:49] <TuoDrable> since you installed it?
[22:49] <filosofix> is the system updated?
[22:49] <pHreaksYcle1> filosofix: indeed.
[22:50] <pHreaksYcle1> filosofix: its been like this the whole time, but i install ubuntu-restriced-extras, the medibunto repo
[22:50] <pHreaksYcle1> and wine
[22:50] <pHreaksYcle1> but it's been like this the whole way through im afraid
[22:50] <TuoDrable> so your nautilus is just broken
[22:50] <pHreaksYcle1> like a champ
[22:51] <ikonia> pHreaksYcle1: segfault = game over
[22:51] <pHreaksYcle1> ikonia: so, what action should I take?
[22:51] <ikonia> pHreaksYcle1: you need to narrow it done as much as possible
[22:51] <pHreaksYcle1> ikonia: please be more specific, im lacking some sleep :)
[22:52] <pHreaksYcle1> ikonia: like, what causes it?
[22:52] <ikonia> pHreaksYcle1: think about these questions. 1.) are you overclocking at all 2.) have you ran memcheck on your hardware for at least 4 full cycles 3.) did 8.04 /8.10 work well 4.) did nautlius ever work from a clean install, or did it break at a certain point
[22:53] <pHreaksYcle1> 1.) No 2.) No 3.) Was on XP 4.) Nautilus has NEVER worked from a clean install. In fact, on the Live CD there was a bug in which it would try to start itself over and over, amounting to like 10 instances. then one would die, and another would instantly take its place. raped my PC the whole time.
[22:55] <ikonia> pHreaksYcle1: do 2.) - 3.) you being on XP means nothing - veryify with 8.04 and 8.10
[22:55] <pHreaksYcle1> I'm about to memtest, good idea. i said i was on XP just to tell you that i had no clue if 8.10 ran well.
[22:55] <ikonia> pHreaksYcle1: also verify the version of ubuntu you're downloading, chek the md5's to make sure it's come from a legtitmate source and is infact ubuntu, rather than a clone distro
[22:56] <pHreaksYcle1> i got the torrent file from the ubuntu site
[22:56] <ikonia> pHreaksYcle1: confirm problems against stable releases, jumping straight in on unknown beta products is not good
[22:56] <pHreaksYcle1> this is true
[22:56] <afallenhope> is there an issue with mysql?
[22:56] <pHreaksYcle1> okay, ill be back
[22:56] <ikonia> afallenhope: what sort of issue ?
[22:56] <TuoDrable> ach, good news
[22:56] <pHreaksYcle1> ikonia: will you be here for awhile?
[22:56] <TuoDrable> my flash sound is fixed as well :)
[22:56] <afallenhope> ikonia, can't install it
[22:56] <ikonia> pHreaksYcle1: not sure, getting tired
[22:57] <ikonia> afallenhope: details detail details please.
[22:57] <pHreaksYcle1> iknonia: okay, may or may not see you
[22:57] <afallenhope> You have 1 broken package on your system! Use the "Broken" filter to locate it.
[22:57] <afallenhope> then.. I get the following: (E: /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server-5.0_5.1.30really5.0.75-0ubuntu10_amd64.deb: subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
[22:58] <ikonia> afallenhope: remove the file from the cache - re-do apt-get update, then re-install the package, see if it gets teh same error
[22:58] <ikonia> afallenhope: normal issue is the dependencies have been updated, but your trying to install a version thats' from your cache, rarther than updated from the rpo
[22:58] <ikonia> repo
[22:58] <afallenhope> http://pastebin.ca/1384166
[22:59] <dooglus> can anyone suggest something please?
[22:59] <ikonia> dooglus: about what ?
[22:59] <dooglus> ikonia: I'm trying to install 9.04 beta inside windows by running wubi.exe
[22:59] <ikonia> dooglus: I suggest you don't
[22:59] <ultratek> can someone help me?
[22:59] <dooglus> a menu appears, I click the middle entry
[22:59] <dooglus> the menu disappears, and nothing else happens
[22:59] <dooglus> ikonia: why?
[22:59] <afallenhope> wubi is the devil lol.
[22:59] <ikonia> dooglus: I personally don't rate wubi - and using it on a beta product I rate even less
[23:00] <dooglus> afallenhope: I don't want the devel version - I have the desktop cd
[23:00] <ikonia> afallenhope: is that error afte ryou have removed the package from the cache ?
[23:00] <ikonia> dooglus: then why are you asking in the development channel ?
[23:00] <dooglus> ikonia: 'cos the #ubuntu channel won't support it
[23:00] <TuoDrable> ?
[23:00] <ikonia> dooglus: the development channel is used for 9.04 discussion
[23:00] <afallenhope> ikonia, not sure how to remove it from cache just did apt-cache gencaches
[23:01] <ikonia> dooglus: #ubuntu is the correct place to ask
[23:01] <dooglus> ikonia: ok, I want the 9.04 beta of the desktop cd
[23:01] <TuoDrable> nha
[23:01] <ikonia> dooglus: you just said you didn't
[23:01] <dooglus> ikonia: ok, if you say so
[23:01] <ikonia> dooglus: I've not seen you even ask in #ubuntu
[23:01] <ikonia>  dooglus> afallenhope: I don't want the devel version - I have the desktop cd
[23:01] <dooglus> ikonia: I've not asked about beta cds there for a year or two, but I doubt the rules have changed have they?
[23:01] <ikonia> dooglus: that's what you just said "I don't want the devel version"
[23:02] <afallenhope> dooglus, I never said devel I said DEVIL lol. as in Satan lol.
[23:02] <dooglus> ikonia: oh, I see.  by 'devel' you mean 'beta'?
[23:02] <ikonia> afallenhope: remove the file from  /var/cache/apt/archives/
[23:02] <ikonia> dooglus: yes
[23:02] <dooglus> afallenhope: which is the satanic version?
[23:02] <dooglus> I'm confused now
[23:02] <ikonia> dooglus: this channel is for 9.04 discussion
[23:02] <dooglus> I thoguht that was BSD
[23:02] <ikonia> just to be clear
[23:02] <ikonia> dooglus: check the /topic of the channel if your in any doubt
[23:02] <TuoDrable> haha :D
[23:03] <dooglus> ikonia: it says " hotkey-setup fixed, may still be mirroring | Welcome to the Ubuntu Jaunty Jacka"?
[23:03] <TuoDrable> dooglus, you are trying to install 9.04 via Wubi.exe, is that correct?
[23:03] <dooglus> TuoDrable: yes, that's correct
[23:03] <TuoDrable> allrighty
[23:03] <TuoDrable> then you're good here
[23:03] <filosofix> ikonia : do you know if ther is an issue with the latest nvidia-new driver and videoplayback ?
[23:03] <ikonia> dooglus: that's not what the topci says. Don't mess me around please.
[23:03] <dooglus> TuoDrable: I don't mind how much Satan it has - I just want it installed.  I'm currently running XP, so I doubt the levels of evil will increase by switching to ubuntu
[23:03] <dooglus> ikonia: I copy/pasted it exactly
[23:04] <evan_> hello! how can i add an second screen unto my laptop, nvidia card?
[23:04] <ikonia> dooglus: it says a lot more than 1 line - check again
[23:04] <ikonia> filosofix: no idea to be honest
[23:04] <TuoDrable> ikonia, it's allright
[23:04] <andre_pl> how do i configure what messages show up in the new notifier?
[23:04] <TuoDrable> dooglus, what's the problem with wubi?
[23:05] <andre_pl> can i disable certain pidgin notifications or anything like that?
[23:05] <andre_pl> i cant find a single config option
[23:05] <dooglus> TuoDrable: should I be able to just mount the .iso using MS's tool and then double-click wubi.exe to install?
[23:05] <TuoDrable> yes, dooglus, that's the idea
[23:05] <dooglus> TuoDrable: I mounted the .iso using something called VCdControlTool.exe that I got from microsoft.com
[23:05] <dooglus> double-click wubi.exe
[23:05] <dooglus> get a window with 3 choices - the middle one is 'install inside windows'
[23:05] <afallenhope> dooglus, I just meant to say that wubi.exe is bad.. some like it. others dont. I do not like it personally.
[23:06] <dooglus> I click that, the window disappears, the wubi.exe process disappears from the task manager, and nothing else appears to happen
[23:06] <TuoDrable> ok, and then?
[23:06] <filosofix> dooglus : you don't have to mount the iso
[23:06] <dooglus> filosofix: you mean I should burn it to a disk instead?
[23:06] <dooglus> TuoDrable: then I ran irssi and came here
[23:06] <filosofix> just put it in the same folder as wubi.exe and doubbleclick on wubi.exe
[23:07] <dooglus> filosofix: but wubi.exe is inside the .iso...
[23:07] <evan_> is here any nvidia fanboy willing to help me??
[23:07] <filosofix> dooglus : I guess you can mount it and copy wubi.exe to your harddrive then
[23:07] <TuoDrable> evan_, isn't there a whole nvidia settings menu?
[23:07] <andre_pl> evan_: whats up?
[23:08] <evan_> TuoDrable: a few days before they told me here not to use nvidia setting
[23:08] <filosofix> TuoDrable : nvidia-settings-manager
[23:08] <evan_> s
[23:08] <TuoDrable> aha
[23:08] <evan_> andre_pl: i want to add a secodn screen
[23:08] <TuoDrable> then I'm out :)
[23:08] <dooglus> filosofix: I'll try that
[23:08] <filosofix> TuoDrable : sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings-manager
[23:08] <dooglus> filosofix: the same happens
[23:09] <filosofix> dooglus : have you unmounted the iso?
[23:09] <dooglus> filosofix: no
[23:09] <dooglus> I'll do that
[23:09] <andre_pl> i always use nvidia-settings for that, and set them as separate x screens
[23:09] <andre_pl> haven't done it on jaunty though
[23:10] <dooglus> filosofix: now when I run wubi.exe the window pops up for a millisecond then vanishes again
[23:10] <evan_> andre_pl: ok ill just rtry again :)
[23:10] <dooglus> filosofix: I have ubuntu-9.04-beta-desktop-i386.iso and wubi.exe in the same new folder
[23:10] <filosofix> dooglus : hmm..  wait one sec...
[23:10] <dooglus> filosofix: I've tried that
[23:10] <dooglus> filosofix: I've waited for 600 of them and still nothing
[23:11] <dooglus> I tried rebooting too, just in case something it didn't like was running
[23:11] <dooglus> I torrented the .iso file, and it passes the checksum after downloading, so I doubt it's corrupted
[23:12] <afallenhope> MySQL package is broken.. here's my log: http://pastebin.ca/1384183
[23:12] <Stormx2> right, how can I disable notifications? Most annoying feature ever ;_;
[23:13] <bruce89> gnome-straccitella-session
[23:13] <filosofix> dooglus : Then I guess you have encountered a buf ;)
[23:13] <filosofix> bug
[23:14] <filosofix> dooglus : I've not tried wubi on 9.04... have you tried the 8.10 version?
[23:14] <dooglus> filosofix: when I mount the iso, there are options like 'suppress UDF', 'suppress Joliet', and 'persistent mount'.  They're all unchecked by default.  Think checking them would help?
[23:14] <dooglus> filosofix: I've not
[23:15] <filosofix> dooglus : you don't have to mount the iso at all
[23:15] <dooglus> filosofix: it works better if I do
[23:15] <filosofix> dooglus : how?
[23:15] <dooglus> ie. I get to see the menu long enough for my brain to recognise it
[23:15] <dooglus> without the .iso mounted it flickers on and off the screen too fast to see
[23:16] <dooglus> of course, I'm only guessing it's the same menu - it's too fast to be sure
[23:16] <filosofix> dooglus : I would go for the stable release if I were you.
[23:17] <dooglus> when's that due?
[23:17] <TuoDrable> you know what dooglus... just burn the damn thing and make it run on boot
[23:17] <TuoDrable> then try it out
[23:17] <TuoDrable> see if it works
[23:17] <TuoDrable> if so, choose install
[23:17] <dooglus> TuoDrable: you can get wubi to run on boot?
[23:17] <dooglus> or you mean run it like a live CD?
[23:17] <TuoDrable> live cd
[23:17] <dooglus> I think then to install I'd have to repartition
[23:17] <filosofix> dooglus : just download the 8.10 Hardy Heron version from ubuntu.com
[23:17] <dooglus> I don't want to repartition - it's too risky
[23:18] <TuoDrable> ach, well
[23:18] <dooglus> filosofix: OK, I'll try that
[23:18] <TuoDrable> then take filosofix' advise
[23:18] <filosofix> dooglus : good luck then ;)
[23:18] <dooglus> filosofix: from releases.ubuntu.com?
[23:18] <TuoDrable> a question from me: how do I disable the system beep in kubuntu?
[23:18] <filosofix> dooglus : yup... 810
[23:19] <filosofix> 8.10 - Hardy Heron
[23:19] <TuoDrable> there was never a system beep in my Ubuntu 8.10
[23:19] <dooglus> is it worth reporting the issue I'm havinG?
[23:19] <filosofix> dooglus : yup it is ;)
[23:20] <Jason_CO> hi folks - -running kubuntu jaunty beta, and its working great except that i cant seem to get the nvidia driver to go for my GeForces 6600 -- i use jockey to install it - and it seems to install but it never activates
[23:20] <Jason_CO> any help would be apprecaited
[23:20] <filosofix> TuoDrable : in System ->Prefs -> Sounds   ?
[23:20] <Ienorand> filosofix: Hardy is 8.04, 8.10 is Ibex
[23:21] <filosofix> lenorand : so sorry
[23:21] <filosofix> lenorand : I should get to bed now ;)
[23:21] <TuoDrable> filosofix, where's the sound menu in kubuntu?
[23:22] <Ienorand> filosofix: I know I should, since I have nothing better to do than being pedantic on irc
[23:22] <TuoDrable> in ubuntu it's there, I've been there
[23:22] <filosofix> lenorand : ;)
[23:22] <bruce89> Ienorand: it's Intrepid anywa
[23:22] <filosofix> TuoDrable : I'm sorry, I didnt get that you were using kubuntu...
[23:22] <Ienorand> Jason_CO : This your bug?: https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux/bug/342926
[23:23] <TuoDrable> no prob filosofix
[23:23] <TuoDrable> I better see if I can get a settings menu item instead
[23:23] <Ienorand> Jason_CO: That seems to be the most common reason for not being able to install them... I think
[23:23] <Jason_CO> Ienorand: that returned a page not found
[23:24] <Ienorand> Jason_CO: Ooops sorry:https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/342926
[23:25] <Jason_CO> Ienorand: doesnt seem to be - this machien only has 1gb
[23:26] <Ienorand> Jason_CO: Hmm
[23:27] <TuoDrable> well have I ever...
[23:27] <TuoDrable> I found the system bell setting
[23:27] <TuoDrable> but it's off
[23:28] <|mstrkent|> Ienorand: back -- sorry -- client crash
[23:28] <TuoDrable> and I still hear it
[23:28] <TuoDrable> anybody?
[23:28] <Ienorand> Jason_CO: what does your Xorg log say about it?
[23:28] <jasonco_> hang on  -- lemme check
[23:28] <filosofix> TuoDrable : is it the speaker inside your computer you are hearing?
[23:28] <TuoDrable> yes, the system beep
[23:29] <TuoDrable> everytime I press backspace in this chat :)
[23:29] <TuoDrable> now I found the menu
[23:29] <TuoDrable> and the setting
[23:29] <TuoDrable> but it says it's disable
[23:29] <TuoDrable> d
[23:29] <TuoDrable> but it's... not really
[23:29] <Aizawa> How do I fix the hotkey-setup problem?
[23:30] <TuoDrable> there's a "fi" missing in /etc/init.d/hotkey-setup
[23:30] <jasonco_> Ienorand: Xorg.0.log doesnt seem to say anything about it
[23:30] <zash> TuoDrable: try rmmod pcspkr or similar
[23:31] <TuoDrable> thanks zash :)
[23:31] <Aizawa> TuoDrable: Where's the "fi" supposed to be?
[23:32] <Ienorand> jasonco_: Nothing about trying to load nvidia driver at all?
[23:32] <filosofix> TuoDrable : Have you tried to mute the system beeb in your volume-preferences?
[23:32] <TuoDrable> Aizawa, near the end of the file, after do_video
[23:32] <gnomefreak> TuoDrable: the fix has hit repos already
[23:33] <gnomefreak> hotkey-setup 0.1-23ubuntu12  is the fixed version
[23:33] <TuoDrable> oh well
[23:34] <TuoDrable> filosofix, rmmod pcspkr worked ;-)
[23:34] <Ienorand> jasonco_: What you also could try is uninstalling all packages with nvidia in their name and reinstalling the appropriate nvidia-glx-### driver package (e.g. 180 177)
[23:35] <jasonco_> Ienorand: the only thing i can find is in /var/log/messages about a segault in glxinfo
[23:35] <jasonco_> ok
[23:36] <jasonco_> Ienorand: is it safe to assume it will pull in with it everything it needs?
[23:37] <TuoDrable> allright, I'm going to sleep
[23:37] <TuoDrable> see ya later
[23:37] <histo> this should be interesting updating my server to jaunty via ssh
[23:38] <histo> err should say while i'm ssh'd in issued do-release
[23:38] <Ienorand> jasonco_: It worked for me, can't promise anything on your behalf...
[23:38] <jasonco_> okies
[23:38] <histo> !worksforme
[23:38] <bruce89> histo: servers using a devel relase sounds bad
[23:38] <histo> bruce89: its in my house not really serving much other than a printer and home dns
[23:39] <bruce89> even so, Jaunty's not going to make much difference (hopefully)
[23:40] <histo> The boot times are pretty impresive