[03:48] <DPic> hi, i'm here now
[03:48] <Takyoji> Oh, hello
[03:49] <Takyoji> So you're about a year older or so than myself? :P
[03:50] <Takyoji> But anyway, with that aside; I would certainly be willing to assist with marketing Ubuntu
[03:50] <Takyoji> So I take it there isn't any current project at hand, correct?
[03:51] <Takyoji> (I am 17 years of age currently by the way)
[03:54] <DPic> that depends on how old you are
[03:54] <DPic> whoops
[03:54] <DPic> nope, same age
[03:55] <Takyoji> Ahh, interesting
[03:55] <DPic> anyways, there *is* a marketing team for ubuntu
[03:55] <DPic> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam
[03:56] <Takyoji> Yes, I know of the page and so forth
[03:56] <DPic> oh oops
[03:56] <Takyoji> I believe it's how I came across this channel
[03:56] <DPic> sorry, i thought ti was #ubuntu-us
[03:56] <DPic> this*
[03:56] <Takyoji> Oh, that's fine
[03:56] <Takyoji> Too many channels open? :P
[03:57] <DPic> haha, only 3, i'm just really out of it apparently
[03:57] <Takyoji> Otherwise I just need to write up a resume eventually. xP
[03:57] <Takyoji> Ahh. Same, I'm on 3 on Freenode, 4 (2 of which are pretty much dead) on an IRC server I help with a little
[03:58] <DPic> mm, in response to the conversation before i got back, i'm not technically the team leader
[03:58] <DPic> i came in a while ago and got heavily involved and re-wrote the entire wiki
[03:58] <Takyoji> Overall, I'm currently paid to do web development and design. ENTIRELY self taught. Very fluent in PHP, HTML/XHTML, CSS. Would like to poke more into AJAX/Comet (continued)
[03:58] <Takyoji> Ahh
[03:59] <Takyoji> Although, the official team leader isn't really around anymore, correct?
[03:59] <DPic> that's my understanding but i might be wrong
[03:59] <DPic> don't want to step on anyone's toes
[04:00] <DPic> the team seems to be very loosely-knit and every once in a while good discussion will come up about how to make things happen
[04:00] <DPic> but nothing seems to ever come to be
[04:00] <Takyoji> (continuing my bragging, :P ). I'm also a photographer; I have my own Nikon D50 with different lenses and filters. Self-taught there as well. I also do a little graphic design; very familiar with Photoshop CS2, but just can't jump to The GIMP until it at least supports folder for layers.
[04:01] <DPic> nice, nice
[04:01] <Takyoji> One thing I think would be a nice thing is also: try to market the Ubuntu marketing team a little. :P
[04:01] <Takyoji> My reasoning: we just need more people to jump in as well perhaps
[04:01] <DPic> yeah
[04:01] <DPic> well, we need a defined purpose and scope
[04:01] <Takyoji> Ahh
[04:01] <DPic> and then we need to put together a game plan
[04:02] <DPic> right now
[04:02] <Takyoji> True
[04:02] <DPic> what i tried to do
[04:02] <DPic> was make the marketing team a central resource for ubuntu materials
[04:02] <DPic> a sort of marketing commons for all LoCo's and individuals to contribute and take from
[04:03] <Takyoji> However most of the LoCo teams are just divided from this marketing team, correct?
[04:04] <DPic> yes
[04:05] <Takyoji> And you hopefully intend to set goal(s)/focus for this group, THEN try to go about and make other LoCo groups consider on helping with and obtaining materials from this effort as well, right?
[04:05] <Takyoji> Generally asking: what's the order of tasks to complete in order to bring this hopefully back to life?
[04:06] <DPic> well, the goals/focus of the group might be fine, but i was just saying it's important to make sure of that before going ahead
[04:06] <DPic> well, set the goals/focus of the group, market the group, perhaps assign certain people to be dedicated certain tasks
[04:06] <DPic> i can try to dig p old conversation on the mailing list about it
[04:07] <Takyoji> Because part of the reason I even considered on helping with the marketing team is that I noticed there weren't resources that I could directly find that would describe to people what certain things are (open source vs closed source, distributions, etc)
[04:07] <Takyoji> ahh
[04:09] <JanC> Takyoji: why not use one of the tools that were actually made for working with photographs instead of the GIMP?  ;)
[04:09] <Takyoji> With all this aside, another thing I've noticed is that nobody submits themes or anything Linux-related to deviantART even though there's a whole list of categories for such things
[04:10] <JanC> Takyoji: some people really do
[04:10] <JanC> but I guess most of the theme authors don't even know deviantart
[04:10] <Takyoji> I even reported to deviantART about a bug with a certain category that was sitting there for like months if I remember correctly
[04:10] <Takyoji> Perhaps
[04:11] <Takyoji> Another thing annoys me about gnome-look.org and so on is that there's really no regulation to submissions. Some themes won't be packaged properly, then you have to go through a stress of doing something else, etc.
[04:11] <Takyoji> But anyway, I'm digressing
[04:11] <Takyoji> I just haven't found a reasonable open source application that I can do things like web design and so forth within
[04:11] <JanC> Takyoji: what do you need for photo-editing?
[04:12] <Takyoji> I can use The GIMP just fine for image editing. I just need something as described above
[04:13] <JanC> there are applications like RawStudio & RawTherapee & such, duno if that's useful...
[04:13] <Takyoji> I've actually used Rawstudio
[04:14] <Takyoji> All the GIMP needs is layer support and a few other minor things and I'd be a happy camper. xP
[04:14] <Takyoji> I mean, support for folders for layers
[04:15] <Takyoji> And it was submitted in The GIMP Brainstorm blog like several times I believe. And then there was also Hackontest, where a contestant said they'd add folder support, yet I haven't heard anything about it thereafter. And so on
[04:15] <Takyoji> It's just such a necessary organizational feature
[04:16] <Takyoji> It's practically the only thing holding me back! xP
[04:17] <Takyoji> And a handy thing would be procedural filters, or whatever the proper term is.
[04:17] <Takyoji> And that also was submitted by people on the brainstorm blog numerous of times
[04:17] <Takyoji> Does anyone even now what the current direction of the development of The GIMP is, or has it died down?
[04:18] <Takyoji> even know*
[04:18] <JanC> heh, latest GIMP has the first GEGL stuff included (for some plugins)
[04:18] <DPic> no idea, here probably isn't the best place to ask
[04:18] <Takyoji> Well, true
[04:18] <JanC> in future all of GIMP should be based on the GEGL library
[04:19] <Takyoji> I think I read of that, but I can't recall what GEGL is
[04:19] <Takyoji> An image manipulation library that's quick and efficient, or?
[04:19] <JanC> yes, that summarizes it
[04:19] <Takyoji> Ahh, that should be quite helpful
[04:19] <JanC> specifically written for interactive applications too
[04:19] <Takyoji> ahh
[04:20] <Takyoji> in contrary to some CLI-based program that edits images in a batch or something, correct?
[04:21] <JanC> I think it can be used for those too
[04:21] <JanC> but they wrote it for the GIMP, so they knew interactive use was a requirement
[04:22] <JanC> http://www.rawtherapee.com/ & http://bibblelabs.com are also linux applications for photographers
[04:24] <JanC> (not open source, though the first is gratis)
[04:24] <Takyoji> I'm also curious of poking around at HDR imagery eventually; I believe I've looked around at some of the programs before, but never really poked at the programs in depth
[04:26] <Takyoji> But hey, I would be willing to do any type of stock photography and of you would need
[04:26] <Takyoji> any of you would need*
[04:28] <Takyoji> As for a supposedly "showcase" website, you can view http://aquaeden.com/ Did the design (would like to redo it eventually), wrote the PHP (would like to rewrite that as well eventually xP), did all the photography, I maintain the dedicated server it runs on (SSH & Plesk though), and so on
[04:28] <Takyoji> Some elements of the design I don't quite enjoy (because I was forced to implement some of them)
[04:28] <Takyoji> And here's the gallery: http://www.aquaeden.com/pond-pictures/
[04:29] <Takyoji> Now I'll finally shut up about myself. :P
[04:30] <Takyoji> All of it is work I did 1-3 years ago. I can do things a little better than I have previously
[04:31] <Takyoji> Otherwise what type of materials do you think should yet be created?
[04:32] <Takyoji> Or would we just keep contributing whatever is necessary?
[04:34] <JanC> you might want to ask on the ubuntu-marketing and loco-contacts & maybe also ubuntu-art mailing lists what is still needed
[04:35] <Takyoji> First I just need to catch up with my life before I can start doing work
[04:35] <JanC> that's very important indeed
[04:36] <Takyoji> Schoolwork, and my own work (redoing the website for the International Professional Pond Contractors Association)
[04:37] <Takyoji> They paid an arm and a leg a long time ago to a web developer that had no idea what he was doing. I found numerous exploits and alerted the owner of the IPPCA that I'd be willing to redo it for them for free (although they pay me whatever they want anyway)
[04:38] <Takyoji> So when I'm done with that I may just buy: http://nokia.us/find-products/phones/nokia-n810
[04:39] <JanC> hehe, you know, you can get these for free at several conferences...  :P
[04:40] <JanC> mostly to developers though
[04:40] <JanC> actually, I know the guy who's responsible for the power management software in the Nokia tablets
[04:42] <Takyoji> heh
[04:42] <Takyoji> interesting
[04:43] <Takyoji> I just need an official drivers license (provisional license currently), and then a vehicle to actually be able to attend conferences. :P
[04:43] <JanC> well, I heard trains aren't really useful in the US  ;)
[04:46] <JanC> also, it has to be a Nokia sponsored conference, I guess
[04:48] <JanC> anyway, I'm going to see a movie and then sleep
[04:52] <Takyoji> Alright
[05:19] <Takyoji> Well, night folks
[22:52]  * Takyoji pokes at the deadness of the channel
[22:56] <newz2000> Hi, is this team still responsible for the spread ubuntu project?
[22:57] <Takyoji> I believe so
[22:58] <Takyoji> It's the main community-based marketing team for Ubuntu
[22:58] <newz2000> I had a request from some random person to point spreadubuntu.org to the http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org/ website
[22:59] <newz2000> I don't have authorization to do this but I can pursue it if the team desires it.
[22:59] <Takyoji> I'm not aware of that request currently.
[22:59] <newz2000> (I'm the Canonical webmaster for ubuntu.com and canonical.com)
[23:00] <newz2000> who is the main contact for the spreadubuntu effort?
[23:00] <newz2000> I guess more specifically, the technical contact
[23:00] <Takyoji> For this marketing group, the primary contact is DPic
[23:01] <DPic> i'm not in charge of spreadubuntu
[23:02] <DPic> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Projects
[23:03] <newz2000> gotcha, that's enlightening. Thanks DPIc
[23:03] <DPic> no problem
[23:29] <Takyoji> Bleh, it's terribly annoying when someone makes a website that's centric to one browser
[23:30] <Takyoji> This is even more foolish: The page says my brother needs IE5.5 or higher, and he's in IE8, and it's yet denying him saying he's got an "incompatible browser" that needs to meet the criteria I just expressed
[23:40] <Takyoji> https://medica.ikaenterprise.com/Errors/IncompatibleBrowser.aspx