| * kb9vqf is hungry...will be back later :) | 00:01 | |
| daskreech | rickspencer3: some things might not make it? | 00:05 |
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| rickspencer3 | daskreech: At this point in the cycle I worry about the things that won't get done, and of course ... | 00:34 |
| rickspencer3 | they huge face melting bug that hasn't been discovered yet :) | 00:34 |
| daskreech | rickspencer3: That's what the final release is for :) To get out the big bugs for the next heavy dev cycle ;-) | 00:35 |
| rickspencer3 | heh | 00:35 |
| rickspencer3 | also ... all the things I think that I could have done better, but for lacking the benefit of hindsite :) | 00:36 |
| daskreech | I think You probably have a hindsite | 00:36 |
| daskreech | hindsight s well | 00:36 |
| daskreech | weird my a dissappeared | 00:37 |
| daskreech | Jackalope looks to be a nice release though | 00:37 |
| rickspencer3 | agreed | 00:37 |
| daskreech | probably not quite enough to shift hardy users | 00:37 |
| rickspencer3 | dunno | 00:37 |
| daskreech | But then we do have Luscious Lemming coming up | 00:37 |
| rickspencer3 | For Ubuntu anyway, I think Jaunty will be tempting to upgrade too | 00:38 |
| rickspencer3 | not sure about Kubuntu, I don't have a great feel for the users, but it seems like if you want an update to date KDE distro, Jaunty may be the way to go | 00:39 |
| EagleScreen | why install by default gdebi-kde in Kubuntu if Kpackagekit opens .deb packages by default? | 00:39 |
| daskreech | rickspencer3: better than Ibex It's out of the weird stage | 00:39 |
| daskreech | at this point it's basically KDE3 vs KDE4 | 00:39 |
| daskreech | Hardy is a very good solid KDE3 release | 00:39 |
| rickspencer3 | yeah, it's like KDE is emerging from the chrysalis | 00:40 |
| daskreech | Jackalope is a very good solid KDE4 release | 00:40 |
| EagleScreen | KDE4 is not very good solid | 00:40 |
| daskreech | If you like KDE4 Jackalope is where you want to be if you don't it's probably hardy | 00:40 |
| EagleScreen | it is almost very good solid | 00:40 |
| daskreech | EagleScreen: Shhhh rickspencer3 is afraid ig Bugs come freeze time :) | 00:41 |
| daskreech | wow | 00:41 |
| daskreech | how did of become ig ? | 00:41 |
| daskreech | EagleScreen: Yeah some strange artifiacts but over all I think it's pretty nice out of the box | 00:42 |
| EagleScreen | I mean about pure KDE4 or Qt4 bugs, Kubuntu Team has nothing or few to do with them | 00:42 |
| EagleScreen | but Jaunty is very usable | 00:42 |
| daskreech | I still want the system to recognize which file you are downloading and put it in the right XDG directory | 00:44 |
| EagleScreen | daskreech: can't you di it with Kget? | 00:45 |
| tsimpson | depends on the server supplying that information too | 00:45 |
| tsimpson | I've seen servers supplying everything as text/plain or application/octet-stream | 00:46 |
| Gon | ! | 01:33 |
| Gon | after last upgrade today... when I close my KDE session, kdm doesn't show the X, I need to restart kdm throw the shell | 01:35 |
| Sho_ | Moin. Quick question: Is it normal not to get KDE crash dialogs in Jaunty right now? | 01:46 |
| Riddell | tsimpson: uploaded your kdebindings patch | 01:50 |
| tsimpson | thanks :) | 01:51 |
| Riddell | a|wen: what's up with .desktop translations? | 02:07 |
| jtholmes | can anyone tell me how i can download the partman files that are part of the ubiquity installer | 02:08 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: pkgmangler or somesuch was edited to strip translations from .desktop files | 02:11 |
| JontheEchidna | since most languages still have several thousand untranslated .desktop files this is bad news... | 02:12 |
| JontheEchidna | a workaround is to not put in the ubuntu-gettext-domain entry by not doing it in kde4.mk.in | 02:14 |
| jjesse | what file do i edit to specify the default background for all users? it used to be kdesktoprc now in kde 4 what file is it? | 02:14 |
| JontheEchidna | plasma-appletsrc | 02:15 |
| jjesse | in what directory | 02:15 |
| JontheEchidna | I guess /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/ | 02:16 |
| jjesse | ok | 02:16 |
| jjesse | not much in that file | 02:16 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: oh crap | 02:17 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah :( | 02:18 |
| jjesse | so i would have to add soemthing there then? | 02:18 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah | 02:18 |
| JontheEchidna | you could use the local plasma-appletsrc from ~/.kde/share/config I guess | 02:18 |
| JontheEchidna | as a model | 02:19 |
| jjesse | thanks | 02:20 |
| Riddell | hrm, it was pitti who added the .desktop stripping, would have been nice if he'd told me | 02:26 |
| seele | Riddell: ping | 03:14 |
| Riddell | seele: if you're quick | 03:14 |
| seele | oh, this might take you a few minutes | 03:15 |
| seele | Riddell: need pic and bio for akademy presentation | 03:15 |
| Riddell | seele: can I do this tomorrow? | 03:15 |
| seele | Riddell: sure | 03:15 |
| seele | i just happened to be in the presentation system | 03:15 |
| Riddell | bed calls, I think it'll have to wait until tomorrow | 03:16 |
| * seele waves | 03:16 | |
| seele | 'night | 03:16 |
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| davmor2 | Riddell: has notes been removed from the desktop? | 09:54 |
| Mamarok | davmor2: still here for me at least | 09:56 |
| davmor2 | Mamarok: not on today's live cd it isn't | 09:56 |
| Mamarok | ok... | 09:56 |
| * Mamarok didn't even know there was a live CD today... | 09:57 | |
| Mamarok | davmor2: but it's in the universe repos, so you can get it easily if you install | 09:58 |
| davmor2 | Mamarok: this is the sticky notes plasmoid that sits on the desktop I'm on about | 09:59 |
| Mamarok | so am I :) | 10:00 |
| davmor2 | Mamarok: in that case it should be in main and not universe as it is on the cd :) | 10:02 |
| Mamarok | davmor2: I don't talk about the CD, never did, read what I said | 10:03 |
| Nightrose | davmor2: imho it is a good idea to remove adding it by default as it overwrote people's existing notes | 10:04 |
| Nightrose | don't know if that has been fixed | 10:05 |
| a|wen | davmor2: and we didn't have any means of translating the text on the default note; that was one of the reasons for removing it from the default desktop IIRC | 10:20 |
| davmor2 | a|wen: I wanted to know if it had been since it had issues before where it would disappear and I didn't want it being that :) | 10:21 |
| a|wen | davmor2: i created a new user a few days ago; and it didn't have it on the default desktop | 10:22 |
| davmor2 | cool :) | 10:22 |
| Riddell | davmor2: yes | 10:28 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: Ta | 10:28 |
| apachelogger | kb9vqf: technically speaking KDE 3 is kind of unmaintained, so first of all you should consult the archive admins IMHO | 10:49 |
| seaLne | ok i'm feeling stupid but for months i keep looking every so often in system settings t find how to turn off the startup/shutdown music and have never found it, where is it controlled? | 10:50 |
| apachelogger | I don't think it is a good idea though, at the point where KDE 3 gets removed again we will have to provide yet-another-set-of-transition-paths and do yet-another-bunch-of-upgrade-testing | 10:50 |
| apachelogger | seaLne: notifications | 10:51 |
| apachelogger | you could also use krunner and search for notification | 10:51 |
| apachelogger | just in case you want to do it that way ;-) | 10:51 |
| apachelogger | in addition to that you could also use the systemsettings search and look for "sound" | 10:52 |
| seaLne | apachelogger: ah i hadn't noticed before when i looked there that i needed to select the different sources of the notifications, thanks :) | 10:53 |
| apachelogger | you're very welcome :) | 10:53 |
| apachelogger | seaLne: you could also just turn off the whole audio output for notifications, btw | 10:53 |
| Riddell | reza: you had pykde questions? | 11:14 |
| === Mez is now known as CrazyShoe | ||
| === CrazyShoe is now known as Mez | ||
| reza | yes | 11:29 |
| reza | i have tried your sample | 11:29 |
| reza | it worked perfectly | 11:29 |
| reza | Riddell: but when i make it as plasmoid, it didn't work | 11:30 |
| reza | Riddle: I do not know if the plasma can send notification or not by design | 11:31 |
| jussi01 | have we any dell mini owners around? | 11:32 |
| a|wen | Riddell: some more integratin for k3b: http://awen.dk/packages/ | 11:41 |
| Riddell | reza: don't see why they shouldn't | 11:43 |
| Riddell | reza: but you probably need to move the notifyrc file to /usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma/ (and killall knotify4) | 11:43 |
| Riddell | a|wen: now there's a version number | 11:44 |
| a|wen | Riddell: shh, I don't think Tonio_ want's to hear any more about that version number ;) | 11:45 |
| Tonio_ | a|wen: shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!!!!! | 11:45 |
| Tonio_ | :) | 11:45 |
| a|wen | :) | 11:46 |
| jussi01 | *g* | 11:47 |
| reza | Riddell: based on the doc, notifyrc should be inside for example appletname directory. For your sample it worked. | 11:50 |
| reza | Riddell: applet like powerdevil,networkmanagement also keep notifyrc at appletname directory, but those are developed in C++ | 11:51 |
| Riddell | powerdevil is a kded module so that'll be different | 11:53 |
| Riddell | mergedwireless.cpp: KNotification::event(Event::NetworkDisappeared, i18nc("Notification text when a wireless network interface disappeared","Wireless network %1 disappeared", m_disappearedNetworks[0]), QPixmap(), 0, KNotification::CloseOnTimeout, KComponentData("networkmanagement", "networkmanagement", KComponentData::SkipMainComponentRegistration)); | 11:55 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: why do screenshots go to documents folder by default wouldn't pictures be better? | 11:55 |
| Riddell | reza: network managment seems to have that extra KComponentData to tell it where to find the file | 11:55 |
| Riddell | davmor2: documents is the default folder when another isn't specified. pictures would be better | 11:56 |
| reza | Riddell:also it is PopupApplet | 11:56 |
| reza | Riddell: thank you for the clue | 12:00 |
| reza | Riddell: KNotification.event("Updates", "hello", KIcon("konqueror").pixmap(QSize(22,22)),None,KNotification.CloseOnTimeout,KComponentData("notplasma","notplasma",KComponentData.SkipMainComponentRegistration)) | 12:00 |
| reza | it can display the notification | 12:01 |
| Riddell | reza: that works? | 12:01 |
| reza | Riddell: yes | 12:01 |
| Riddell | excellent | 12:01 |
| reza | Riddell: now my next problem is how to put notifyrc automatically, when i do plasmapkg -i | 12:02 |
| Riddell | reza: that I'm afraid I don't know | 12:06 |
| Riddell | maybe #plasma can help | 12:06 |
| reza | no problem, ok thanks alot. | 12:07 |
| quassel208 | guys I am wondering why you dont see the estimanted time to download a file when you do with konqueror | 12:21 |
| === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak | ||
| apachelogger | nixternal: yes ...re:OBS mail | 12:28 |
| apachelogger | just got one though :D | 12:29 |
| apachelogger | now I also got mail from ubuntu-es-l10n-owner@lists.ubuntu.com because I triaged that broken desktop file bug and am not allowed to post that list | 12:29 |
| apachelogger | most awesome is that the message is in spanish :S | 12:30 |
| apachelogger | vorian: .!!!~~~~>Bat l10n WARNING: sk not yet in the archives - please package manually!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 12:30 |
| apachelogger | .!!!~~~~>Bat l10n WARNING: bnin not yet in the archives - please package manually!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 12:30 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: ping | 12:34 |
| JontheEchidna | pong | 12:34 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: did you poke pitti yet? | 12:35 |
| JontheEchidna | nope, but I informed Riddell. | 12:35 |
| apachelogger | did Riddell poke pitti yet? :P | 12:36 |
| * apachelogger notes that kde-l10n-* is fixed and ready for upload | 12:36 | |
| JontheEchidna | btw, any reason kubuntu-desktop doesn't recommend kdenetwork-sharing? | 12:38 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: I'm starting off by seeing if I can get the .desktop translations patch working | 12:38 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: what does that patch do? | 12:39 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: kdenetwork-filesharing is buggy | 12:39 |
| JontheEchidna | oh | 12:39 |
| apachelogger | quite much so :D | 12:39 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: make .desktop files get translated with .po files | 12:40 |
| apachelogger | they wouldn't? | 12:40 |
| JontheEchidna | should we remove the button from the dialog you get when you select the properties of a folder then? | 12:40 |
| * apachelogger thinks reverting the pkgbinarymangler change would be quite an option here | 12:40 | |
| apachelogger | doing stuff that is not even supported on the KDE side of $ubuntu ... pretty good reason for reverting everything from my point of view | 12:41 |
| Riddell | it should be supported, I just havn't had time/reason enough to look at getting the patch working | 12:42 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: it is an issue on multiple levels anyway, since our l10n don't import the correct desktop files, thus lp spits out the wrong ones, thus the lang-packs are mostly useless | 12:43 |
| apachelogger | and since the patch is not yet working KDE probably doesn't even care that it got no translations ;-) | 12:43 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: ping | 12:44 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: pong | 12:45 |
| apachelogger | ah | 12:45 |
| apachelogger | nvm | 12:45 |
| apachelogger | http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=948772 | 12:45 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: poke jeff really hard with that | 12:45 |
| * apachelogger can't upload until that is $fixed | 12:45 | |
| tester_ | :P | 12:46 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: hehe ok | 12:46 |
| davmor2 | tester_: see if that works | 12:46 |
| davmor2 | quassel works then :) | 12:47 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: I thought jockey was using policykit-kde | 12:49 |
| Riddell | davmor2: what does it do? | 12:53 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: can't upload what? | 12:54 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: new amarok-nightly-kdesupport | 12:54 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: it's asking for the password before the app start which would indicate that kdesudo was being used rather than asking for the password after you select a driver to install | 12:54 |
| JontheEchidna | Could I get sponsorship for bug 356230 please? | 12:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 356230 in ktorrent "New upstream bugfix release (KTorrent 3.2.1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/356230 | 12:55 |
| Riddell | davmor2: there's nothing in the .desktop file asking for sudo | 12:57 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: oh I knew there was something else I ment to upload yesterday | 12:58 |
| JontheEchidna | hehe :) | 12:58 |
| JontheEchidna | kdebase-workspace could also use uploading, lots of changes in bzr | 12:58 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: weird | 12:58 |
| * apachelogger starts batl10n-upload | 12:59 | |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: .orig has wrong filename | 12:59 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, I uploaded the wrong one | 13:00 |
| apachelogger | sabdfl1: it would appear that you have a bit of a connection problem ;-) | 13:00 |
| quassel208 | That ktorrent bug isnt important | 13:01 |
| quassel208 | thing thats important is to fix the regressions and bad drivers, new users will think, whats this for bad os | 13:02 |
| JontheEchidna | there's really nothing we can do about that, none of us are driver programmers | 13:02 |
| JontheEchidna | most of the developemnt for that stuff goes on in #ubuntu-devel | 13:03 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: could it be the plasmoid that appear on the panel that causes it. I'm running from menu and not seeing it now | 13:03 |
| apachelogger | _the_ regressions? | 13:03 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: re-upped the ktorrent orig | 13:03 |
| quassel208 | yes apachelogger, as normall user, thats the thing where I say, kubuntu isnt ready to be label stable, and I dont believe that it will in less than 20 days | 13:04 |
| apachelogger | _thats_? | 13:04 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: I'm just going to remove the nvidia driver and see if it happens again from the panel plasmoid | 13:06 |
| quassel208 | But from my opion the regressions possible can come from qt4.5 | 13:06 |
| apachelogger | ok | 13:06 |
| apachelogger | quassel208: please declare variables before you use them | 13:07 |
| apachelogger | I have no clue what you are talking about | 13:07 |
| quassel208 | variables? dont use hard words, englisch is not my main lauguge | 13:07 |
| apachelogger | ah well | 13:07 |
| apachelogger | quassel208: write a mail to kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com | 13:08 |
| quassel208 | But can I downgrade Qt to 4.4 ? | 13:08 |
| apachelogger | no | 13:08 |
| quassel208 | Then I could test it for real | 13:08 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: please hold me, I am lagging away | 13:09 |
| * Nightrose holds apachelogger | 13:09 | |
| quassel208 | isnt Qt 4.4 in intrepid ? | 13:09 |
| a|wen | quassel208: you need to explain what you think is wrong ... just saying regressions doesn't help; we need to know what | 13:09 |
| * a|wen takes a firm grip on apachelogger's arm | 13:10 | |
| quassel208 | I think the regressions can be caused because kubuntu used Qt 4.5 | 13:10 |
| quassel208 | Qt 4.5 is for kde4.3 and 4.2 used Qt 4.4 | 13:10 |
| a|wen | quassel208: which regressions? | 13:11 |
| apachelogger | a|wen, Nightrose: I kinda imagine this like skydiving ;-) | 13:11 |
| quassel208 | in Kde | 13:11 |
| a|wen | quassel208: you need to be specific | 13:11 |
| a|wen | JontheEchidna: have we got any break-through regarding the kickoff focus issue; saw you changed it to triaged | 13:12 |
| JontheEchidna | a|wen: nah, I just do that when the upstream bug is confirmed | 13:12 |
| a|wen | JontheEchidna: oh okay ... just hoped :) | 13:12 |
| JontheEchidna | since supposedly that means upstream has enough info needed to fix the bug | 13:12 |
| apachelogger | so | 13:12 |
| apachelogger | what do you think about using tar.lzma? | 13:13 |
| * apachelogger is obviously biased, but thinks that he would have to lag a lot less if he had to upload less than 315 MiB | 13:13 | |
| a|wen | apachelogger: no objections if the tools support it ... though i'd rate smaller .deb sizes higher | 13:14 |
| apachelogger | a|wen: you'd just need to do testing for the .debs | 13:14 |
| apachelogger | I would assume kde-l10n-* could decrease in size with lzma | 13:15 |
| apachelogger | anyway, the dpkg tools all support lzma AFAIK, soyuz just doesn't yet | 13:15 |
| apachelogger | but the latter is nothing we couldn't fix with some lobbying | 13:15 |
| quassel208 | Anyway I going run pcbsd any of those days to see if its not that messed up. like ubuntu will fix those regressions ( And I bet they are reported ) | 13:16 |
| apachelogger | :) | 13:16 |
| JontheEchidna | I thought we were already using orig.lzma with amarok, so what doesn't soyuz support? | 13:16 |
| JontheEchidna | (iirc they got rid of the dpkg-predepends requirement for publishing a few days ago) | 13:17 |
| a|wen | lzma for karmic +1 ... some more room on the cd is always needed | 13:17 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: no, we can only do that because the origs are within another tar, since the amarok tarball includes 2 tarballs nowadays | 13:17 |
| jefferai | apachelogger: what's the issue? | 13:17 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, right tar.lzma | 13:17 |
| jefferai | why can't you upload taglib-extras? | 13:17 |
| apachelogger | jefferai: because I'd like to have the long-term solution of having it inside the kdesupport package ... which by the way is also a lot less work | 13:18 |
| jefferai | apachelogger: ok...go fix it | 13:19 |
| jefferai | cause, I don't know how :-) | 13:19 |
| apachelogger | meeeeeh :P | 13:19 |
| jefferai | exactly | 13:19 |
| jefferai | I can *try* to fix it | 13:19 |
| apachelogger | I haz to fix the kubuntu l10n first | 13:19 |
| jefferai | Actually, I know how | 13:20 |
| jefferai | I know the theory of it | 13:20 |
| jefferai | But I wasn't aware it actually caused an issue for anyone | 13:20 |
| jefferai | Riddell said taglib-extras was already packaged | 13:20 |
| jefferai | for jaunty users | 13:20 |
| apachelogger | neon is only available on $current-stable ... i.e. intrepid right now | 13:21 |
| apachelogger | anyway, I'll give fixing the compile a try ... I am dead in the water due to massive kde-l10n uploads anyway ;-) | 13:21 |
| jefferai | yeah, but isn't it pretty easy to take riddell's package and just recompile it for intrepid? | 13:22 |
| apachelogger | jefferai: for neon it still comes down to more work than having it within kdesupport | 13:22 |
| jefferai | ok | 13:23 |
| jefferai | I'll try to fix it today | 13:23 |
| apachelogger | jefferai: k, thx :) | 13:25 |
| JontheEchidna | yay, ktorrent uploaded | 13:46 |
| gnomefreak | is there a reason why kde-l10n-* packaged in a single package? | 13:51 |
| apachelogger | jefferai: if(taglib_SOURCE_DIR) | 13:51 |
| apachelogger | set(TAGLIB_INCLUDES ${taglib_SOURCE_DIR}/taglib) | 13:51 |
| apachelogger | set(TAGLIB_LIBRARIES tag) | 13:51 |
| apachelogger | else(taglib_SOURCE_DIR) | 13:51 |
| gnomefreak | s/single/meta | 13:51 |
| jefferai | apachelogger: what about it? | 13:52 |
| apachelogger | jefferai: that ought to be enough | 13:52 |
| jefferai | feel free to commit if you've got it working :-) | 13:52 |
| apachelogger | well, the includes are wrong | 13:52 |
| jefferai | yes | 13:52 |
| vorian | gnomefreak: it's not .... | 13:52 |
| jefferai | it'll actually be more like, the top-level CMakeLists.txt defines a variable | 13:52 |
| gnomefreak | vorian: not from the looks of it in the *-changes mailing list | 13:52 |
| jefferai | if it's defined, use the taglib stuffe | 13:52 |
| jefferai | else | 13:53 |
| jefferai | findpackage | 13:53 |
| gnomefreak | it lists each locale | 13:53 |
| apachelogger | that is flawed IMHO | 13:53 |
| vorian | 04/07/09|05:59 < gnomefreak> is there a reason why kde-l10n-* packaged in a single package? | 13:53 |
| apachelogger | jefferai: if /taglib is available it will have the appropriate variable in cmakecaceh | 13:53 |
| gnomefreak | vorian: only happens with kubuntu | 13:53 |
| vorian | you asked why it was in a single package | 13:53 |
| vorian | i said it was not | 13:53 |
| apachelogger | jefferai: so taglib_SOURCE_DIR ought to be the more precise check | 13:53 |
| gnomefreak | oops | 13:53 |
| gnomefreak | vorian: why its not in a meta package | 13:53 |
| vorian | if you already knew this, why ask the question> | 13:53 |
| gnomefreak | vorian: forgot the not | 13:54 |
| vorian | gnomefreak: because that's how upstream ships it | 13:54 |
| Riddell | gnomefreak: there's something about 400MB source packages I find off putting | 13:54 |
| gnomefreak | Riddell: makes sence | 13:54 |
| vorian | that would take 12 hours to upload | 13:54 |
| vorian | :P | 13:54 |
| Riddell | gnomefreak: that very first kubuntu release was almost delayed because of a bug in the 400MB kde-i18n package, each compile takes many hours | 13:55 |
| * gnomefreak didnt know upstream shipped it that way :) | 13:55 | |
| apachelogger | jefferai: anyway, about the actual includes ... maybe taglib's cmakelists should export the value as TAGLIB_INCLUDE_DIRECTORIES, then findtaglib just needs to loop through the entries and make sure the prefix is correct | 13:55 |
| jefferai | maybe | 13:55 |
| jefferai | I'll play with it | 13:55 |
| apachelogger | aye aye :) | 13:55 |
| Riddell | so I decided to ship it split up after that. upstream followed with KDE 4. Debian still puts it into a single massive tar poor souls | 13:55 |
| vorian | haha | 13:56 |
| apachelogger | well, it makes sense to a certain degree | 13:56 |
| apachelogger | almost everything is the same (read: everything but name), so except the name is wrong, you will probably have to upload all of them anyway | 13:57 |
| apachelogger | and then you have to consider that uploading one big file is faster than uploading loads of smaller files ... same applies for building | 13:57 |
| gnomefreak | thats true but uploading one big one im not sure it is faster than single | 13:58 |
| * gnomefreak dreams of small packages to build and upload | 13:59 | |
| apachelogger | gnomefreak: connection establishing and closing takes quite some time for 3*50 files | 13:59 |
| gnomefreak | apachelogger: true | 13:59 |
| apachelogger | not to mention the gpg check :P | 13:59 |
| seele | apachelogger: regarding amarok-nightly http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/146211/ | 14:28 |
| apachelogger | that looks broken, doesn't it ;-) | 14:29 |
| apachelogger | seele: dpkg --force-overwrite $DEBFILE | 14:29 |
| === sabdfl1 is now known as sabdfl | ||
| rickspencer3 | apachelogger: wow | 14:41 |
| rickspencer3 | I've got like two screens of change mail from you! | 14:41 |
| seele | apachelogger: thanks, looks like that worked | 14:41 |
| apachelogger | rickspencer3: beware my allmighty script powas ;-) | 14:43 |
| rickspencer3 | :) | 14:43 |
| apachelogger | seele: I also triggered a kdebase rebuild, ultimately that should resolve the issue for others as well | 14:43 |
| vorian | apachelogger: what was the re-upload of l10n about? | 15:00 |
| * vorian is kinda lost as of late | 15:00 | |
| apachelogger | vorian: we were fetching the kde3 translations of the desktop files, rather than the kde4 ones | 15:00 |
| vorian | oh, ouch | 15:01 |
| vorian | did ye fixor the scripts? | 15:01 |
| Quintasan | hello | 15:11 |
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| Quintasan | quassel really should eat 150mbs of RAM? | 15:13 |
| jussi01 | Quintasan: always :P | 15:17 |
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| Quintasan | oh god, I don't like this | 15:18 |
| Quintasan | it takes 15 seconds for window to show up | 15:19 |
| Quintasan | I wonder why KDE start's lagging like hell when I leave my computer running | 15:19 |
| Quintasan | starts* | 15:19 |
| Quintasan | I think it's wrong for irc client to use ~150mbs of RAM :/ | 15:25 |
| claydoh | Apparently kubuntuforums is hosted on http://www.smfforfree.com/ | 15:38 |
| * claydoh still hasn't gotten hold of the owner | 15:38 | |
| claydoh | at least now i know who to contact if it goes down again | 15:39 |
| apachelogger | vorian: the scripts don't due that, the debian/rules was wrong | 15:41 |
| * apachelogger ponders moving get-desktop to kde4.mk | 15:42 | |
| apachelogger | should be just as invokable as if it was inside rules | 15:42 |
| apachelogger | just that it is central controlled | 15:42 |
| apachelogger | vorian: but I noticed another issue, get_prev doesn't like it when launchpad got a package page but no actual package to dget | 15:43 |
| apachelogger | not sure what is best to fix that, since he unavilabliliy needs to get passed down the whole stream | 15:43 |
| apachelogger | or eventually I could just throw an exception and catch it in get_prev itself | 15:44 |
| apachelogger | we'll see | 15:44 |
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| Riddell | ok, got the .desktop translate from .po files patch working | 16:07 |
| a|wen | yay ... that's half the way | 16:09 |
| Riddell | a|wen: it's about 1/4 of the way | 16:29 |
| Riddell | apachelogger did another 1/4 with changing to kde 4 files for the desktop .po files | 16:29 |
| * a|wen packs the optimism away again | 16:30 | |
| Riddell | a|wen: take it out, we're still 1/2 way there :) | 16:30 |
| a|wen | but we're getting in the right direction | 16:30 |
| a|wen | yay :) | 16:30 |
| Riddell | next I need to update the list of desktop .po files we care about and update the kde-l10n-xx packages to include those | 16:30 |
| a|wen | we really need to manually specify all the .desktop files we care about? | 16:31 |
| Riddell | then we need to made sure launchpad does the right thing and poke Arne when it doesn't | 16:31 |
| a|wen | that seems kind of stupid; shouldn't it just import translations from the desktop file while stripping ... and then apply them later | 16:32 |
| Riddell | oh and we need to make sure all the KDE packages actually produce desktop_xxx.pot files which match what upstream uses | 16:32 |
| Riddell | a|wen: it's mostly that launchpad needs to be told when new templates arrive which packages they belong to | 16:33 |
| nixternal | hey, OpenWeek is coming up. I added an Intro to KDE 4 session per request, if you are interested in running a session, add it to -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep | 16:33 |
| a|wen | Riddell: oh ... still seems like a lot of work doing all that for little benefit | 16:34 |
| Riddell | it is, that's why I havn't done it before, but our hand has been forced | 16:35 |
| Riddell | I just wish it had been forced more than three weeks before release | 16:35 |
| a|wen | those things should have been done in the beginning when there was lots of time to find problems | 16:38 |
| a|wen | i wonder how many other packages that might end up suffer from missing translations in jaunty due to this | 16:38 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: as I stated yesterday, that change, at this point in development process would completely qualify for revert | 16:48 |
| apachelogger | hm | 16:49 |
| apachelogger | a|wen got a point there | 16:49 |
| apachelogger | we need to change kde-l10n-* to fetch deskto_$foo.po files for every non-core KDE part | 16:50 |
| apachelogger | that is all of extragear (amarok, k3b, possibly digikam..) as well as everything else (e.g. knetworkmanager) | 16:51 |
| apachelogger | + in case Quassel carries translations of it's desktop file, which is probably the case, those also get removed (and we don't even have an easy way to make po files from) | 16:52 |
| apachelogger | so someone really wants to look into that | 16:52 |
| a|wen | apachelogger: if that is true, this change should have broken each and every application with a desktop file which is just imported from debian | 16:52 |
| apachelogger | and all that thinking made me eve stronger belive in a revert | 16:52 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: I'm looking into that now | 16:52 |
| apachelogger | a|wen: this only applies to main | 16:52 |
| apachelogger | the mangler doesn't mangle universe AFAIK | 16:52 |
| apachelogger | anyway | 16:53 |
| a|wen | okay ... that is still a LOT of packages | 16:53 |
| * apachelogger moves out for coffee | 16:53 | |
| apachelogger | a|wen: as I said, this kind of change at this point in the development process is simply invalid | 16:53 |
| a|wen | apachelogger: i agree completely | 16:54 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: I got the kdeSudo from the plasmoid | 17:04 |
| davmor2 | for jockey | 17:05 |
| Riddell | plasmoid? | 17:06 |
| Riddell | oh, panel applet | 17:06 |
| Riddell | that needs removed from the code then | 17:06 |
| Riddell | davmor2: file a bug | 17:06 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: no probs | 17:07 |
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| davmor2 | Riddell: what's the applet going to be called? | 17:29 |
| Riddell | davmor2: applet? | 17:30 |
| Riddell | jockey is called jockey | 17:30 |
| davmor2 | fair enough | 17:30 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: pitti is dealing with it :) | 17:35 |
| DaskreecH | kb9vqf: How goes? | 17:36 |
| DaskreecH | hi sabdfl | 17:41 |
| kishore | I recall there being a goal for jaunty to get rid of all of kde3 | 18:07 |
| kishore | what about openoffice-kde? | 18:07 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: what happens if you go to ftp://streams.videolan.org/streams-videolan/ogg/ and select a video and try and play it in dragon player | 18:08 |
| DaskreecH | kishore: If you can get OO.o to work with KDE4 we will ship it | 18:08 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: Also why does dragon player tell me it needs loads of codecs to play ogg? | 18:08 |
| kishore | DaskreecH: :) | 18:09 |
| DaskreecH | Far as I know there is a single person who works on KDE-OO.o and they are employed by Novell with quite a few other things on their plaete so that's not likely to happen for a while | 18:09 |
| DaskreecH | plate | 18:09 |
| kishore | DaskreecH: So are kde3 libs gonna be shipped with jaunty? or is the integration not ging to be shipped by default? | 18:10 |
| DaskreecH | kishore: Last I heard yes n behalf of K3b and OO.o | 18:10 |
| kishore | ok | 18:11 |
| Riddell | davmor2: doesn't seem to play from the ftp server | 18:11 |
| Riddell | davmor2: it just does that regardless of what you're playing, it's not got any intelligence about it | 18:11 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: ah okay | 18:12 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: It does play on gnome and xubuntu just to let you know :) | 18:12 |
| DaskreecH | davmor2: Works in the Dragon Kpart for Konqui :) | 18:12 |
| Riddell | upstream bug I guess | 18:13 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: as long as it is not just me can I leave that one with you then please :) | 18:13 |
| kb9vqf | Daskreech: How goes what? | 18:17 |
| DaskreecH | kb9vqf: Stuff? | 18:22 |
| kb9vqf | Daskreech: Ahh...stuff :) Quite busy with work at the moment.... | 18:23 |
| freinhard | connected my laptop to a wired network (in addition to a running wlan connection), looks like the network widget causes a plasma crash? http://dpaste.com/25688/ | 18:23 |
| DaskreecH | Ok :-) | 18:24 |
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| apachelogger | freinhard: does indeed look like it, poke sebas | 19:06 |
| * apachelogger find it still weird that widgets can make plasma go down | 19:06 | |
| sebas | It's not weird at all | 19:07 |
| sebas | Only C++ widgets can | 19:08 |
| sebas | freinhard: if it's current trunk, a backtrace would be useful | 19:08 |
| apachelogger | sebas: well, I still think that it shouldn't happen ... much like the whole one-process-per-tab thing in browsers | 19:11 |
| freinhard | sebas: damn, i knew it ;) | 19:12 |
| * freinhard installs tons of dbg packages | 19:12 | |
| sebas | We can also just fix those crashers | 19:13 |
| * sebas notes that the networkmanager plasmoid is only a random snapshot of an unreleased alpha | 19:13 | |
| sebas | freinhard: if it's not very a very recent snapshot, the bt is probably not useful | 19:14 |
| apachelogger | jjesse: is the dell mini 9 worth its money? | 19:14 |
| freinhard | maybe it's because i installed Riddell's evil networkmanager plasmoid ;) | 19:14 |
| freinhard | sebas: nope, jaunty, 4.2.2 | 19:14 |
| apachelogger | sebas: well, the problem is with 3rd party c++ widgets that do that ... especially if they are poorly maintained ;-) | 19:14 |
| sebas | freinhard: there is no networkmanager plasmoid in 4.2.2, so it's gotta be a snapshot from KDE's playground | 19:15 |
| sebas | apachelogger: that's why third parties should write them in javascript or python or ruby | 19:15 |
| apachelogger | hehe, hopefully they do :) | 19:15 |
| freinhard | sebas: r948596 | 19:16 |
| freinhard | sebas: https://edge.launchpad.net/~jr/+archive/ppa | 19:16 |
| sebas | good, that's the latest rev | 19:16 |
| sebas | It doesn't crash here in that case btw | 19:17 |
| freinhard | but it does here, and it's reproduceable. plug the cable=> crash. plasma won't start until i unplug it. | 19:17 |
| sebas | reproducable is good :) | 19:18 |
| freinhard | is there a dbg metapackage? | 19:18 |
| apachelogger | kdebase-workspace-dbg | 19:20 |
| freinhard | apachelogger: that one didn't pull in kdelib5-dbg ? | 19:20 |
| jjesse | apachelogger: sorry was afk | 19:22 |
| apachelogger | hm | 19:22 |
| jjesse | apachelogger: yes i love my dell min, i use it all the time especially when i travel (which i do a ton for my job) and i take notes in conferences and other mtgs on it | 19:22 |
| jjesse | it is very solid and very stable | 19:22 |
| apachelogger | freinhard: maybe it the dependency was lifted ... please report a bug though, in case it was accidental | 19:22 |
| apachelogger | jjesse: I am wondering if we get a discount for working on the OS ;-) | 19:23 |
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| * apachelogger just realized that he doesn't have much of a usecase for the mini 9 right now :S | 19:23 | |
| apachelogger | oh well, lets ask the universal decision maker | 19:24 |
| apachelogger | jjesse: thanks for the info :) | 19:24 |
| jjesse | apachelogger: would have been nice if we got a discount | 19:25 |
| jjesse | apachelogger: i wouldn't code on it, or write a lot of docbook stuff | 19:25 |
| jjesse | apachelogger: but i watch a lot of movies, take notes in confrences/meettings | 19:25 |
| * apachelogger would be most interested in creating kubuntu-mobile or whatever the correct naming would be nowadays | 19:26 | |
| freinhard | apachelogger: should kdebase-workspace-dbg depend on kdelibs-dbg? i've no idea. | 19:26 |
| apachelogger | freinhard: it did at some point | 19:27 |
| apachelogger | and it makes sense IMHO | 19:27 |
| JontheEchidna | heh, cmake stayed at 2% for an entire kdelibs build | 19:28 |
| JontheEchidna | bug maybe? | 19:29 |
| apachelogger | maybe | 19:29 |
| DaskreecH | hi kubotu | 19:29 |
| kubotu | evening DaskreecH | 19:29 |
| JontheEchidna | ~order pepsi | 19:29 |
| * kubotu slides pepsi down the bar to JontheEchidna | 19:29 | |
| DaskreecH | IS there a kteatimer or something of the sort in KDE4? | 19:31 |
| Mamarok | DaskreecH: Tea Cooker? | 19:38 |
| Mamarok | actually plasma-widget-teacooker | 19:39 |
| freinhard | sebas: i guess that one isn't usefull yet? http://dpaste.com/25739/ | 19:42 |
| * freinhard needs dbg symbols for plasma_applet_networkmanagement.so | 19:45 | |
| DaskreecH | Ah neat ok :) Thanks Mamarok | 19:47 |
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| * apachelogger pokes Nightrose | 20:16 | |
| * Nightrose pokes apachelogger | 20:17 | |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9dWMhSJq0c | 20:17 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: next time we meet we will so go out skaning :P | 20:18 |
| apachelogger | +k somehwere | 20:18 |
| Nightrose | hehe | 20:18 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: are you going to create a list of additional desktop file pos we need to download from KDE SVN? | 20:27 |
| apachelogger | I suppose at least plasma-widget-network-manager, amarok and k3b | 20:28 |
| apachelogger | digikam | 20:28 |
| apachelogger | kipi-plugins | 20:28 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: really, we should revert the pkgbinarymangler change, all this feels way to dangerous of missing something | 20:29 |
| apachelogger | ...kpackagekit | 20:29 |
| apachelogger | ktorrent | 20:29 |
| apachelogger | quassel needs haxx0ring to get it work | 20:30 |
| DaskreecH | jjesse: Which did you choose? gwibber or choqok ? | 20:31 |
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| jjesse | DaskreecH: i use choqok | 20:45 |
| * DaskreecH pastes rickspencer3-afk to the floor | 20:46 | |
| DaskreecH | jjesse: Ah yeah I kinda settled on that as well | 20:46 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: do you think canonical would sponsor a netbook so I can kick-off kubuntu-netbook? | 20:49 |
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| Arminius_ | hi | 21:56 |
| Arminius_ | anyone? :) | 21:58 |
| blizzz | hi Arminius_ (don't count on me, i have only few clues either) | 22:00 |
| Arminius_ | ah well on the main chan they hadn't either ^^ | 22:00 |
| * DaskreecH missed it. What are we talking about? | 22:01 | |
| Arminius_ | well I got a big bug... and don't know if it's one... | 22:01 |
| Arminius_ | http://www.pastebin.ca/1385280 | 22:01 |
| Arminius_ | I tried updating from KDE 4.1 to 4.2 (via konsole) | 22:02 |
| Arminius_ | and I get that response | 22:02 |
| Arminius_ | it asks me to remove critical packages | 22:02 |
| Arminius_ | isn't that some huge bug? | 22:02 |
| Arminius_ | (on the main chan, they didn't know) | 22:03 |
| mprice | Arminius, how did you upgrade to 4.2? | 22:03 |
| mprice | which repository did you use? | 22:04 |
| Arminius_ | I didn't yet, but I added a source... just a sec | 22:04 |
| Arminius_ | http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ppa/ubuntu | 22:04 |
| Arminius_ | that one | 22:05 |
| Arminius_ | I started the update but when it asked me to remove those critical packages, I stopped..; | 22:05 |
| mprice | try sudo apt-get upgrade instead of dist-upgrade | 22:06 |
| mprice | see what that does | 22:06 |
| Arminius_ | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 67 not upgraded. | 22:06 |
| Arminius_ | (I had done that already) | 22:07 |
| mprice | hmm............ | 22:07 |
| Arminius_ | yeah, told myself the same thing ;) | 22:08 |
| Arminius_ | so, tried to ask the experts ^^ | 22:08 |
| Arminius_ | :) | 22:08 |
| Arminius_ | I guess no answer means I got a big problem ;) | 22:16 |
| DaskreecH | What version is it going to? | 22:17 |
| Arminius_ | from 4.1 to 4.2 | 22:17 |
| DaskreecH | apt-cache policy kdelibs5 | 22:18 |
| Arminius_ | ok sec | 22:18 |
| Arminius_ | Installed: 4:4.1.4-0ubuntu1~intrepid1.1 | 22:19 |
| Arminius_ | Candidate: 4:4.2.2-0ubuntu1~intrepid1 | 22:19 |
| Arminius_ | should I copy the rest too? | 22:19 |
| rbrunhuber | Hi, I just tried to download the kubuntu jaunty beta over the de.archive.ubuntu.com url stated on the beta page but i get a 404. | 22:20 |
| * jpds wonders 'Since when Kubuntu was a folk of Ubuntu': http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu#Variants | 22:21 | |
| jpds | rbrunhuber: The ISOs should be served from de.releases.ubuntu.com | 22:21 |
| jpds | ...which is broken. Awesome. | 22:22 |
| rbrunhuber | jpds: http://de.releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/9.04/ also 404s | 22:23 |
| jpds | rbrunhuber: Ja, see: http://de.releases.ubuntu.com/bye/ | 22:23 |
| jpds | rbrunhuber: I'll try and get someone to change the DNS to point to another mirror. | 22:24 |
| jpds | rbrunhuber: In the mean time, pick a mirror from https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors and go. | 22:25 |
| Arminius_ | jpds I guess I shouldn't ask you if you got any idea how to fix my bug? :s | 22:26 |
| rbrunhuber | I was so daring to add the following text to the beta page: (broken!!!, please try another mirror till sorted out) | 22:27 |
| jpds | Arminius_: No sorry, not sure what the problem is there. | 22:27 |
| jpds | rbrunhuber: Which beta page? | 22:28 |
| rbrunhuber | jpds : https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JauntyJackalope/Beta/Kubuntu#preview | 22:28 |
| Arminius_ | ok jpds , maybe another day someone will know the answer | 22:29 |
| Arminius_ | bye to all ;) | 22:29 |
| Arminius_ | cu | 22:29 |
| jpds | rbrunhuber: Good idea. | 22:29 |
| tsimpson | jpds: it doesn't say it's a fork | 22:29 |
| tsimpson | oh, yes it does, in the image | 22:30 |
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| jpds | rbrunhuber: http://de2.releases.ubuntu.com/ | 22:36 |
| rbrunhuber | jpds : this url does not server kubuntu images | 22:39 |
| jpds | rbrunhuber: http://de2.releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ ? | 22:39 |
| rbrunhuber | jpds : my bad just figured it out. How official is this mirror? | 22:40 |
| jpds | rbrunhuber: Very, if it has a *.releases.u.c address. | 22:41 |
| rbrunhuber | jpds : just changing it. | 22:42 |
| rbrunhuber | jpds: done | 22:42 |
| rbrunhuber | jpds: thanks for your help | 22:44 |
| jpds | rbrunhuber: Keine Probleme. | 22:44 |
| rbrunhuber | jpds: is my english so bad or did you guess from the de mirror that i'm from germany? are you from germany? | 22:46 |
| jpds | rbrunhuber: When you joined the channel: "rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@...einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel" | 22:46 |
| jpds | :) | 22:48 |
| rbrunhuber | jpds: so where are you from? | 22:48 |
| jpds | London. | 22:48 |
| * kb9vqf is getting mad at the amd64 LiveCD | 23:48 | |
| kb9vqf | Any ideas why the remastered CD would reboot the system just as it displays the graphical boot menu? | 23:48 |
| kb9vqf | This only happens under AMD64 | 23:49 |
| kb9vqf | I can't get any debug messages (very annoying) | 23:49 |
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