[00:01]  * kb9vqf is hungry...will be back later :)
[00:05] <daskreech> rickspencer3: some things might not make it?
[00:34] <rickspencer3> daskreech: At this point in the cycle I worry about the things that won't get done, and of course ...
[00:34] <rickspencer3> they huge face melting bug that hasn't been discovered yet :)
[00:35] <daskreech> rickspencer3: That's what the final release is for :) To get out the big bugs for the next heavy dev cycle ;-)
[00:35] <rickspencer3> heh
[00:36] <rickspencer3> also ... all the things I think that I could have done better, but for lacking the benefit of hindsite :)
[00:36] <daskreech> I think You probably have a hindsite
[00:36] <daskreech> hindsight s well
[00:37] <daskreech> weird my a dissappeared
[00:37] <daskreech> Jackalope looks to be a nice release though
[00:37] <rickspencer3> agreed
[00:37] <daskreech> probably not quite enough to shift hardy users
[00:37] <rickspencer3> dunno
[00:37] <daskreech> But then we do have Luscious Lemming coming up
[00:38] <rickspencer3> For Ubuntu anyway, I think Jaunty will be tempting to upgrade too
[00:39] <rickspencer3> not sure about Kubuntu, I don't have a great feel for the users, but it seems like if you want an update to date KDE distro, Jaunty may be the way to go
[00:39] <EagleScreen> why install by default gdebi-kde in Kubuntu if Kpackagekit opens .deb packages by default?
[00:39] <daskreech> rickspencer3: better than Ibex It's out of the weird stage
[00:39] <daskreech> at this point it's basically KDE3 vs KDE4
[00:39] <daskreech> Hardy is a very good solid KDE3 release
[00:40] <rickspencer3> yeah, it's like KDE is emerging from the chrysalis
[00:40] <daskreech> Jackalope is a very good solid KDE4 release
[00:40] <EagleScreen> KDE4 is not very good solid
[00:40] <daskreech> If you like KDE4 Jackalope is where you want to be if you don't it's probably hardy
[00:40] <EagleScreen> it is almost very good solid
[00:41] <daskreech> EagleScreen: Shhhh rickspencer3 is afraid ig Bugs come freeze time :)
[00:41] <daskreech> wow
[00:41] <daskreech> how did of become ig ?
[00:42] <daskreech> EagleScreen: Yeah some strange artifiacts but over all I think it's pretty nice out of the box
[00:42] <EagleScreen> I mean about pure KDE4 or Qt4 bugs, Kubuntu Team has nothing or few to do with them
[00:42] <EagleScreen> but Jaunty is very usable
[00:44] <daskreech> I still want the system to recognize which file you are downloading and put it in the right XDG directory
[00:45] <EagleScreen> daskreech: can't you di it with Kget?
[00:45] <tsimpson> depends on the server supplying that information too
[00:46] <tsimpson> I've seen servers supplying everything as text/plain or application/octet-stream
[01:33] <Gon> !
[01:35] <Gon> after last upgrade today... when I close my KDE session, kdm doesn't show the X, I need to restart kdm throw the shell
[01:46] <Sho_> Moin. Quick question: Is it normal not to get KDE crash dialogs in Jaunty right now?
[01:50] <Riddell> tsimpson: uploaded your kdebindings patch
[01:51] <tsimpson> thanks :)
[02:07] <Riddell> a|wen: what's up with .desktop translations?
[02:08] <jtholmes> can anyone tell me how i can download the partman files that are part of the ubiquity installer
[02:11] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: pkgmangler or somesuch was edited to strip translations from .desktop files
[02:12] <JontheEchidna> since most languages still have several thousand untranslated .desktop files this is bad news...
[02:14] <JontheEchidna> a workaround is to not put in the ubuntu-gettext-domain entry by not doing it in kde4.mk.in
[02:14] <jjesse> what file do i edit to specify the default background for all users?  it used to be kdesktoprc now in kde 4 what file is it?
[02:15] <JontheEchidna> plasma-appletsrc
[02:15] <jjesse> in what directory
[02:16] <JontheEchidna> I guess /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/
[02:16] <jjesse> ok
[02:16] <jjesse> not much in that file
[02:17] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: oh crap
[02:18] <JontheEchidna> yeah :(
[02:18] <jjesse> so i would have to add soemthing there then?
[02:18] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[02:18] <JontheEchidna> you could use the local plasma-appletsrc from ~/.kde/share/config I guess
[02:19] <JontheEchidna> as a model
[02:20] <jjesse> thanks
[02:26] <Riddell> hrm, it was pitti who added the .desktop stripping, would have been nice if he'd told me
[03:14] <seele> Riddell: ping
[03:14] <Riddell> seele: if you're quick
[03:15] <seele> oh, this might take you a few minutes
[03:15] <seele> Riddell: need pic and bio for akademy presentation
[03:15] <Riddell> seele: can I do this tomorrow?
[03:15] <seele> Riddell: sure
[03:15] <seele> i just happened to be in the presentation system
[03:16] <Riddell> bed calls, I think it'll have to wait until tomorrow
[03:16]  * seele waves
[03:16] <seele> 'night
[09:54] <davmor2> Riddell: has notes been removed from the desktop?
[09:56] <Mamarok> davmor2: still here for me at least
[09:56] <davmor2> Mamarok: not on today's live cd it isn't
[09:56] <Mamarok> ok...
[09:57]  * Mamarok didn't even know there was a live CD today...
[09:58] <Mamarok> davmor2: but it's in the universe repos, so you can get it easily if you install
[09:59] <davmor2> Mamarok: this is the sticky notes plasmoid that sits on the desktop I'm on about
[10:00] <Mamarok> so am I :)
[10:02] <davmor2> Mamarok: in that case it should be in main and not universe as it is on the cd :)
[10:03] <Mamarok> davmor2: I don't talk about the CD, never did, read what I said
[10:04] <Nightrose> davmor2: imho it is a good idea to remove adding it by default as it overwrote people's existing notes
[10:05] <Nightrose> don't know if that has been fixed
[10:20] <a|wen> davmor2: and we didn't have any means of translating the text on the default note; that was one of the reasons for removing it from the default desktop IIRC
[10:21] <davmor2> a|wen: I wanted to know if it had been since it had issues before where it would disappear and I didn't want it being that :)
[10:22] <a|wen> davmor2: i created a new user a few days ago; and it didn't have it on the default desktop
[10:22] <davmor2> cool :)
[10:28] <Riddell> davmor2: yes
[10:28] <davmor2> Riddell: Ta
[10:49] <apachelogger> kb9vqf: technically speaking KDE 3 is kind of unmaintained, so first of all you should consult the archive admins IMHO
[10:50] <seaLne> ok i'm feeling stupid but for months i keep looking every so often in system settings t find how to turn off the startup/shutdown music and have never found it, where is it controlled?
[10:50] <apachelogger> I don't think it is a good idea though, at the point where KDE 3 gets removed again we will have to provide yet-another-set-of-transition-paths and do yet-another-bunch-of-upgrade-testing
[10:51] <apachelogger> seaLne: notifications
[10:51] <apachelogger> you could also use krunner and search for notification
[10:51] <apachelogger> just in case you want to do it that way ;-)
[10:52] <apachelogger> in addition to that you could also use the systemsettings search and look for "sound"
[10:53] <seaLne> apachelogger: ah i hadn't noticed before when i looked there that i needed to select the different sources of the notifications, thanks :)
[10:53] <apachelogger> you're very welcome :)
[10:53] <apachelogger> seaLne: you could also just turn off the whole audio output for notifications, btw
[11:14] <Riddell> reza: you had pykde questions?
[11:29] <reza> yes
[11:29] <reza> i have tried your sample
[11:29] <reza> it worked perfectly
[11:30] <reza> Riddell: but when i make it as plasmoid, it didn't work
[11:31] <reza> Riddle: I do not know if the plasma can send notification or not by design
[11:32] <jussi01> have we any dell mini owners around?
[11:41] <a|wen> Riddell: some more integratin for k3b: http://awen.dk/packages/
[11:43] <Riddell> reza: don't see why they shouldn't
[11:43] <Riddell> reza: but you probably need to move the notifyrc file to /usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma/ (and killall knotify4)
[11:44] <Riddell> a|wen: now there's a version number
[11:45] <a|wen> Riddell: shh, I don't think Tonio_ want's to hear any more about that version number ;)
[11:45] <Tonio_> a|wen: shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:45] <Tonio_> :)
[11:46] <a|wen> :)
[11:47] <jussi01> *g*
[11:50] <reza> Riddell: based on the doc, notifyrc should be inside for example appletname directory. For your sample it worked.
[11:51] <reza> Riddell: applet like powerdevil,networkmanagement also keep notifyrc at appletname directory, but those are developed in C++
[11:53] <Riddell> powerdevil is a kded module so that'll be different
[11:55] <Riddell> mergedwireless.cpp:        KNotification::event(Event::NetworkDisappeared, i18nc("Notification text when a wireless network interface disappeared","Wireless network %1 disappeared", m_disappearedNetworks[0]), QPixmap(), 0, KNotification::CloseOnTimeout, KComponentData("networkmanagement", "networkmanagement", KComponentData::SkipMainComponentRegistration));
[11:55] <davmor2> Riddell: why do screenshots go to documents folder by default wouldn't pictures be better?
[11:55] <Riddell> reza: network managment seems to have that extra KComponentData to tell it where to find the file
[11:56] <Riddell> davmor2: documents is the default folder when another isn't specified.  pictures would be better
[11:56] <reza> Riddell:also it is PopupApplet
[12:00] <reza> Riddell: thank you for the clue
[12:00] <reza> Riddell: KNotification.event("Updates", "hello", KIcon("konqueror").pixmap(QSize(22,22)),None,KNotification.CloseOnTimeout,KComponentData("notplasma","notplasma",KComponentData.SkipMainComponentRegistration))
[12:01] <reza> it can display the notification
[12:01] <Riddell> reza: that works?
[12:01] <reza> Riddell: yes
[12:01] <Riddell> excellent
[12:02] <reza> Riddell: now my next problem is how to put notifyrc automatically, when i do plasmapkg -i
[12:06] <Riddell> reza: that I'm afraid I don't know
[12:06] <Riddell> maybe #plasma can help
[12:07] <reza> no problem, ok thanks alot.
[12:21] <quassel208> guys I am wondering why you dont see the estimanted time to download a file when you do with konqueror
[12:28] <apachelogger> nixternal: yes ...re:OBS mail
[12:29] <apachelogger> just got one though :D
[12:29] <apachelogger> now I also got mail from ubuntu-es-l10n-owner@lists.ubuntu.com because I triaged that broken desktop file bug and am not allowed to post that list
[12:30] <apachelogger> most awesome is that the message is in spanish :S
[12:30] <apachelogger> vorian: .!!!~~~~>Bat l10n WARNING: sk not yet in the archives - please package manually!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:30] <apachelogger> .!!!~~~~>Bat l10n WARNING: bnin not yet in the archives - please package manually!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ping
[12:34] <JontheEchidna> pong
[12:35] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did you poke pitti yet?
[12:35] <JontheEchidna> nope, but I informed Riddell.
[12:36] <apachelogger> did Riddell poke pitti yet? :P
[12:36]  * apachelogger notes that kde-l10n-* is fixed and ready for upload
[12:38] <JontheEchidna> btw, any reason kubuntu-desktop doesn't recommend kdenetwork-sharing?
[12:38] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I'm starting off by seeing if I can get the .desktop translations patch working
[12:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: what does that patch do?
[12:39] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: kdenetwork-filesharing is buggy
[12:39] <JontheEchidna> oh
[12:39] <apachelogger> quite much so :D
[12:40] <Riddell> apachelogger: make .desktop files get translated with .po files
[12:40] <apachelogger> they wouldn't?
[12:40] <JontheEchidna> should we remove the button from the dialog you get when you select the properties of a folder then?
[12:40]  * apachelogger thinks reverting the pkgbinarymangler change would be quite an option here
[12:41] <apachelogger> doing stuff that is not even supported on the KDE side of $ubuntu ... pretty good reason for reverting everything from my point of view
[12:42] <Riddell> it should be supported, I just havn't had time/reason enough to look at getting the patch working
[12:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: it is an issue on multiple levels anyway, since our l10n don't import the correct desktop files, thus lp spits out the wrong ones, thus the lang-packs are mostly useless
[12:43] <apachelogger> and since the patch is not yet working KDE probably doesn't even care that it got no translations ;-)
[12:44] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ping
[12:45] <Nightrose> apachelogger: pong
[12:45] <apachelogger> ah
[12:45] <apachelogger> nvm
[12:45] <apachelogger> http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=948772
[12:45] <apachelogger> Nightrose: poke jeff really hard with that
[12:45]  * apachelogger can't upload until that is $fixed
[12:46] <tester_> :P
[12:46] <Nightrose> apachelogger: hehe ok
[12:46] <davmor2> tester_: see if that works
[12:47] <davmor2> quassel works then :)
[12:49] <davmor2> Riddell: I thought jockey was using policykit-kde
[12:53] <Riddell> davmor2: what does it do?
[12:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: can't upload what?
[12:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: new amarok-nightly-kdesupport
[12:54] <davmor2> Riddell: it's asking for the password before the app start which would indicate that kdesudo was being used rather than asking for the password after you select a driver to install
[12:55] <JontheEchidna> Could I get sponsorship for bug 356230 please?
[12:57] <Riddell> davmor2: there's nothing in the .desktop file asking for sudo
[12:58] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: oh I knew there was something else I ment to upload yesterday
[12:58] <JontheEchidna> hehe :)
[12:58] <JontheEchidna> kdebase-workspace could also use uploading, lots of changes in bzr
[12:58] <davmor2> Riddell: weird
[12:59]  * apachelogger starts batl10n-upload
[12:59] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: .orig has wrong filename
[13:00] <JontheEchidna> oh, I uploaded the wrong one
[13:00] <apachelogger> sabdfl1: it would appear that you have a bit of a connection problem ;-)
[13:01] <quassel208> That ktorrent bug isnt important
[13:02] <quassel208> thing thats important is to fix the regressions and bad drivers, new users will think, whats this for bad os
[13:02] <JontheEchidna> there's really nothing we can do about that, none of us are driver programmers
[13:03] <JontheEchidna> most of the developemnt for that stuff goes on in #ubuntu-devel
[13:03] <davmor2> Riddell: could it be the plasmoid that appear on the panel that causes it.  I'm running from menu and not seeing it now
[13:03] <apachelogger> _the_ regressions?
[13:03] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: re-upped the ktorrent orig
[13:04] <quassel208> yes apachelogger, as normall user, thats the thing where I say, kubuntu isnt ready to be label stable, and I dont believe that it will in less than 20 days
[13:04] <apachelogger> _thats_?
[13:06] <davmor2> Riddell: I'm just going to remove the nvidia driver and see if it happens again from the panel plasmoid
[13:06] <quassel208> But from my opion the regressions possible can come from qt4.5
[13:06] <apachelogger> ok
[13:07] <apachelogger> quassel208: please declare variables before you use them
[13:07] <apachelogger> I have no clue what you are talking about
[13:07] <quassel208> variables? dont use hard words, englisch is not my main lauguge
[13:07] <apachelogger> ah well
[13:08] <apachelogger> quassel208: write a mail to kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[13:08] <quassel208> But can I downgrade Qt to 4.4 ?
[13:08] <apachelogger> no
[13:08] <quassel208> Then I could test it for real
[13:09] <apachelogger> Nightrose: please hold me, I am lagging away
[13:09]  * Nightrose holds apachelogger
[13:09] <quassel208> isnt Qt 4.4 in intrepid ?
[13:09] <a|wen> quassel208: you need to explain what you think is wrong ... just saying regressions doesn't help; we need to know what
[13:10]  * a|wen takes a firm grip on apachelogger's arm
[13:10] <quassel208> I think the regressions can be caused because kubuntu used Qt 4.5
[13:10] <quassel208> Qt 4.5 is for kde4.3 and 4.2 used Qt 4.4
[13:11] <a|wen> quassel208: which regressions?
[13:11] <apachelogger> a|wen, Nightrose: I kinda imagine this like skydiving ;-)
[13:11] <quassel208> in Kde
[13:11] <a|wen> quassel208: you need to be specific
[13:12] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: have we got any break-through regarding the kickoff focus issue; saw you changed it to triaged
[13:12] <JontheEchidna> a|wen: nah, I just do that when the upstream bug is confirmed
[13:12] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: oh okay ... just hoped :)
[13:12] <JontheEchidna> since supposedly that means upstream has enough info needed to fix the bug
[13:12] <apachelogger> so
[13:13] <apachelogger> what do you think about using tar.lzma?
[13:13]  * apachelogger is obviously biased, but thinks that he would have to lag a lot less if he had to upload less than 315 MiB
[13:14] <a|wen> apachelogger: no objections if the tools support it ... though i'd rate smaller .deb sizes higher
[13:14] <apachelogger> a|wen: you'd just need to do testing for the .debs
[13:15] <apachelogger> I would assume kde-l10n-* could decrease in size with lzma
[13:15] <apachelogger> anyway, the dpkg tools all support lzma AFAIK, soyuz just doesn't yet
[13:15] <apachelogger> but the latter is nothing we couldn't fix with some lobbying
[13:16] <quassel208> Anyway I going run pcbsd any of those days to see if its not that messed up. like ubuntu will fix those regressions ( And I bet they are reported )
[13:16] <apachelogger> :)
[13:16] <JontheEchidna> I thought we were already using orig.lzma with amarok, so what doesn't soyuz support?
[13:17] <JontheEchidna> (iirc they got rid of the dpkg-predepends requirement for publishing a few days ago)
[13:17] <a|wen> lzma for karmic +1 ... some more room on the cd is always needed
[13:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: no, we can only do that because the origs are within another tar, since the amarok tarball includes 2 tarballs nowadays
[13:17] <jefferai> apachelogger: what's the issue?
[13:17] <JontheEchidna> oh, right tar.lzma
[13:17] <jefferai> why can't you upload taglib-extras?
[13:18] <apachelogger> jefferai: because I'd like to have the long-term solution of having it inside the kdesupport package ... which by the way is also a lot less work
[13:19] <jefferai> apachelogger: ok...go fix it
[13:19] <jefferai> cause, I don't know how  :-)
[13:19] <apachelogger> meeeeeh :P
[13:19] <jefferai> exactly
[13:19] <jefferai> I can *try* to fix it
[13:19] <apachelogger> I haz to fix the kubuntu l10n first
[13:20] <jefferai> Actually, I know how
[13:20] <jefferai> I know the theory of it
[13:20] <jefferai> But I wasn't aware it actually caused an issue for anyone
[13:20] <jefferai> Riddell said taglib-extras was already packaged
[13:20] <jefferai> for jaunty users
[13:21] <apachelogger> neon is only available on $current-stable ... i.e. intrepid right now
[13:21] <apachelogger> anyway, I'll give fixing the compile a try ... I am dead in the water due to massive kde-l10n uploads anyway ;-)
[13:22] <jefferai> yeah, but isn't it pretty easy to take riddell's package and just recompile it for intrepid?
[13:22] <apachelogger> jefferai: for neon it still comes down to more work than having it within kdesupport
[13:23] <jefferai> ok
[13:23] <jefferai> I'll try to fix it today
[13:25] <apachelogger> jefferai: k, thx :)
[13:46] <JontheEchidna> yay, ktorrent uploaded
[13:51] <gnomefreak> is there a reason why kde-l10n-* packaged in a single package?
[13:51] <apachelogger> jefferai: if(taglib_SOURCE_DIR)
[13:51] <apachelogger>    set(TAGLIB_INCLUDES ${taglib_SOURCE_DIR}/taglib)
[13:51] <apachelogger>    set(TAGLIB_LIBRARIES tag)
[13:51] <apachelogger> else(taglib_SOURCE_DIR)
[13:51] <gnomefreak> s/single/meta
[13:52] <jefferai> apachelogger: what about it?
[13:52] <apachelogger> jefferai: that ought to be enough
[13:52] <jefferai> feel free to commit if you've got it working :-)
[13:52] <apachelogger> well, the includes are wrong
[13:52] <jefferai> yes
[13:52] <vorian> gnomefreak: it's not ....
[13:52] <jefferai> it'll actually be more like, the top-level CMakeLists.txt defines a variable
[13:52] <gnomefreak> vorian: not from the looks of it in the *-changes mailing list
[13:52] <jefferai> if it's defined, use the taglib stuffe
[13:53] <jefferai> else
[13:53] <jefferai> findpackage
[13:53] <gnomefreak> it lists each locale
[13:53] <apachelogger> that is flawed IMHO
[13:53] <vorian> 04/07/09|05:59 < gnomefreak> is there a reason why kde-l10n-* packaged in a single package?
[13:53] <apachelogger> jefferai: if /taglib is available it will have the appropriate variable in cmakecaceh
[13:53] <gnomefreak> vorian: only  happens with kubuntu
[13:53] <vorian> you asked why it was in a single package
[13:53] <vorian> i said it was not
[13:53] <apachelogger> jefferai: so taglib_SOURCE_DIR ought to be the more precise check
[13:53] <gnomefreak> oops
[13:53] <gnomefreak> vorian: why its not in a meta package
[13:53] <vorian> if you already knew this, why ask the question>
[13:54] <gnomefreak> vorian: forgot the not
[13:54] <vorian> gnomefreak: because that's how upstream ships it
[13:54] <Riddell> gnomefreak: there's something about 400MB source packages I find off putting
[13:54] <gnomefreak> Riddell: makes sence
[13:54] <vorian> that would take 12 hours to upload
[13:54] <vorian> :P
[13:55] <Riddell> gnomefreak: that very first kubuntu release was almost delayed because of a bug in the 400MB kde-i18n package, each compile takes many hours
[13:55]  * gnomefreak didnt know upstream shipped it that way :)
[13:55] <apachelogger> jefferai: anyway, about the actual includes ... maybe taglib's cmakelists should export the value as TAGLIB_INCLUDE_DIRECTORIES, then findtaglib just needs to loop through the entries and make sure the prefix is correct
[13:55] <jefferai> maybe
[13:55] <jefferai> I'll play with it
[13:55] <apachelogger> aye aye :)
[13:55] <Riddell> so I decided to ship it split up after that.  upstream followed with KDE 4.  Debian still puts it into a single massive tar poor souls
[13:56] <vorian> haha
[13:56] <apachelogger> well, it makes sense to a certain degree
[13:57] <apachelogger> almost everything is the same (read: everything but name), so except the name is wrong, you will probably have to upload all of them anyway
[13:57] <apachelogger> and then you have to consider that uploading one big file is faster than uploading loads of smaller files ... same applies for building
[13:58] <gnomefreak> thats true but uploading one big one im not sure it is faster than single
[13:59]  * gnomefreak dreams of small packages to build and upload
[13:59] <apachelogger> gnomefreak: connection establishing and closing takes quite some time for 3*50 files
[13:59] <gnomefreak> apachelogger: true
[13:59] <apachelogger> not to mention the gpg check :P
[14:28] <seele> apachelogger: regarding amarok-nightly http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/146211/
[14:29] <apachelogger> that looks broken, doesn't it ;-)
[14:29] <apachelogger> seele: dpkg --force-overwrite $DEBFILE
[14:41] <rickspencer3> apachelogger: wow
[14:41] <rickspencer3> I've got like two screens of change mail from you!
[14:41] <seele> apachelogger: thanks, looks like that worked
[14:43] <apachelogger> rickspencer3: beware my allmighty script powas ;-)
[14:43] <rickspencer3> :)
[14:43] <apachelogger> seele: I also triggered a kdebase rebuild, ultimately that should resolve the issue for others as well
[15:00] <vorian> apachelogger: what was the re-upload of l10n about?
[15:00]  * vorian is kinda lost as of late
[15:00] <apachelogger> vorian: we were fetching the kde3 translations of the desktop files, rather than the kde4 ones
[15:01] <vorian> oh, ouch
[15:01] <vorian> did ye fixor the scripts?
[15:11] <Quintasan> hello
[15:13] <Quintasan> quassel really should eat 150mbs of RAM?
[15:17] <jussi01> Quintasan: always :P
[15:18] <Quintasan> oh god, I don't like this
[15:19] <Quintasan> it takes 15 seconds for window to show up
[15:19] <Quintasan> I wonder why KDE start's lagging like hell when I leave my computer running
[15:19] <Quintasan> starts*
[15:25] <Quintasan> I think it's wrong for irc client to use ~150mbs of RAM :/
[15:38] <claydoh> Apparently kubuntuforums is hosted on http://www.smfforfree.com/
[15:38]  * claydoh still hasn't gotten hold of the owner
[15:39] <claydoh> at least now i know who to contact if it goes down again
[15:41] <apachelogger> vorian: the scripts don't due that, the debian/rules was wrong
[15:42]  * apachelogger ponders moving get-desktop to kde4.mk
[15:42] <apachelogger> should be just as invokable as if it was inside rules
[15:42] <apachelogger> just that it is central controlled
[15:43] <apachelogger> vorian: but I noticed another issue, get_prev doesn't like it when launchpad got a package page but no actual package to dget
[15:43] <apachelogger> not sure what is best to fix that, since he unavilabliliy needs to get passed down the whole stream
[15:44] <apachelogger> or eventually I could just throw an exception and catch it in get_prev itself
[15:44] <apachelogger> we'll see
[16:07] <Riddell> ok, got the .desktop translate from .po files patch working
[16:09] <a|wen> yay ... that's half the way
[16:29] <Riddell> a|wen: it's about 1/4 of the way
[16:29] <Riddell> apachelogger did another 1/4 with changing to kde 4 files for the desktop .po files
[16:30]  * a|wen packs the optimism away again
[16:30] <Riddell> a|wen: take it out, we're still 1/2 way there :)
[16:30] <a|wen> but we're getting in the right direction
[16:30] <a|wen> yay :)
[16:30] <Riddell> next I need to update the list of desktop .po files we care about and update the kde-l10n-xx packages to include those
[16:31] <a|wen> we really need to manually specify all the .desktop files we care about?
[16:31] <Riddell> then we need to made sure launchpad does the right thing and poke Arne when it doesn't
[16:32] <a|wen> that seems kind of stupid; shouldn't it just import translations from the desktop file while stripping ... and then apply them later
[16:32] <Riddell> oh and we need to make sure all the KDE packages actually produce desktop_xxx.pot files which match what upstream uses
[16:33] <Riddell> a|wen: it's mostly that launchpad needs to be told when new templates arrive which packages they belong to
[16:33] <nixternal> hey, OpenWeek is coming up. I added an Intro to KDE 4 session per request, if you are interested in running a session, add it to ->  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep
[16:34] <a|wen> Riddell: oh ... still seems like a lot of work doing all that for little benefit
[16:35] <Riddell> it is, that's why I havn't done it before, but our hand has been forced
[16:35] <Riddell> I just wish it had been forced more than three weeks before release
[16:38] <a|wen> those things should have been done in the beginning when there was lots of time to find problems
[16:38] <a|wen> i wonder how many other packages that might end up suffer from missing translations in jaunty due to this
[16:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: as I stated yesterday, that change, at this point in development process would completely qualify for revert
[16:49] <apachelogger> hm
[16:49] <apachelogger> a|wen got a point there
[16:50] <apachelogger> we need to change kde-l10n-* to fetch deskto_$foo.po files for every non-core KDE part
[16:51] <apachelogger> that is all of extragear (amarok, k3b, possibly digikam..) as well as everything else (e.g. knetworkmanager)
[16:52] <apachelogger> + in case Quassel carries translations of it's desktop file, which is probably the case, those also get removed (and we don't even have an easy way to make po files from)
[16:52] <apachelogger> so someone really wants to look into that
[16:52] <a|wen> apachelogger: if that is true, this change should have broken each and every application with a desktop file which is just imported from debian
[16:52] <apachelogger> and all that thinking made me eve stronger belive in a revert
[16:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm looking into that now
[16:52] <apachelogger> a|wen: this only applies to main
[16:52] <apachelogger> the mangler doesn't mangle universe AFAIK
[16:53] <apachelogger> anyway
[16:53] <a|wen> okay ... that is still a LOT of packages
[16:53]  * apachelogger moves out for coffee
[16:53] <apachelogger> a|wen: as I said, this kind of change at this point in the development process is simply invalid
[16:54] <a|wen> apachelogger: i agree completely
[17:04] <davmor2> Riddell: I got the kdeSudo from the plasmoid
[17:05] <davmor2> for jockey
[17:06] <Riddell> plasmoid?
[17:06] <Riddell> oh, panel applet
[17:06] <Riddell> that needs removed from the code then
[17:06] <Riddell> davmor2: file a bug
[17:07] <davmor2> Riddell: no probs
[17:29] <davmor2> Riddell: what's the applet going to be called?
[17:30] <Riddell> davmor2: applet?
[17:30] <Riddell> jockey is called jockey
[17:30] <davmor2> fair enough
[17:35] <davmor2> Riddell: pitti is dealing with it :)
[17:36] <DaskreecH> kb9vqf: How goes?
[17:41] <DaskreecH> hi sabdfl
[18:07] <kishore> I recall there being a goal for jaunty to get rid of all of kde3
[18:07] <kishore> what about openoffice-kde?
[18:08] <davmor2> Riddell: what happens if you go to ftp://streams.videolan.org/streams-videolan/ogg/  and select a video and try and play it in dragon player
[18:08] <DaskreecH> kishore: If you can get OO.o to work with KDE4 we will ship it
[18:08] <davmor2> Riddell: Also why does dragon player tell me it needs loads of codecs to play ogg?
[18:09] <kishore> DaskreecH: :)
[18:09] <DaskreecH> Far as I know there is a single person who works on KDE-OO.o and they are employed by Novell with quite a few other things on their plaete so that's not likely to happen for a while
[18:09] <DaskreecH> plate
[18:10] <kishore> DaskreecH: So are kde3 libs gonna be shipped with jaunty? or is the integration not ging to be shipped by default?
[18:10] <DaskreecH> kishore: Last I heard yes n behalf of K3b and OO.o
[18:11] <kishore> ok
[18:11] <Riddell> davmor2: doesn't seem to play from the ftp server
[18:11] <Riddell> davmor2: it just does that regardless of what you're playing, it's not got any intelligence about it
[18:12] <davmor2> Riddell: ah okay
[18:12] <davmor2> Riddell: It does play on gnome and xubuntu just to let you know :)
[18:12] <DaskreecH> davmor2: Works in the Dragon Kpart for Konqui :)
[18:13] <Riddell> upstream bug I guess
[18:13] <davmor2> Riddell: as long as it is not just me can I leave that one with you then please :)
[18:17] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: How goes what?
[18:22] <DaskreecH> kb9vqf: Stuff?
[18:23] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: Ahh...stuff :)  Quite busy with work at the moment....
[18:23] <freinhard> connected my laptop to a wired network (in addition to a running wlan connection), looks like the network widget causes a plasma crash? http://dpaste.com/25688/
[18:24] <DaskreecH> Ok :-)
[19:06] <apachelogger> freinhard: does indeed look like it, poke sebas
[19:06]  * apachelogger find it still weird that widgets can make plasma go down
[19:07] <sebas> It's not weird at all
[19:08] <sebas> Only C++ widgets can
[19:08] <sebas> freinhard: if it's current trunk, a backtrace would be useful
[19:11] <apachelogger> sebas: well, I still think that it shouldn't happen ... much like the whole one-process-per-tab thing in browsers
[19:12] <freinhard> sebas: damn, i knew it ;)
[19:12]  * freinhard installs tons of dbg packages
[19:13] <sebas> We can also just fix those crashers
[19:13]  * sebas notes that the networkmanager plasmoid is only a random snapshot of an unreleased alpha
[19:14] <sebas> freinhard: if it's not very a very recent snapshot, the bt is probably not useful
[19:14] <apachelogger> jjesse: is the dell mini 9 worth its money?
[19:14] <freinhard> maybe it's because i installed Riddell's evil networkmanager plasmoid ;)
[19:14] <freinhard> sebas: nope, jaunty, 4.2.2
[19:14] <apachelogger> sebas: well, the problem is with 3rd party c++ widgets that do that ... especially if they are poorly maintained ;-)
[19:15] <sebas> freinhard: there is no networkmanager plasmoid in 4.2.2, so it's gotta be a snapshot from KDE's playground
[19:15] <sebas> apachelogger: that's why third parties should write them in javascript or python or ruby
[19:15] <apachelogger> hehe, hopefully they do :)
[19:16] <freinhard> sebas: r948596
[19:16] <freinhard> sebas: https://edge.launchpad.net/~jr/+archive/ppa
[19:16] <sebas> good, that's the latest rev
[19:17] <sebas> It doesn't crash here in that case btw
[19:17] <freinhard> but it does here, and it's reproduceable. plug the cable=> crash. plasma won't start until i unplug it.
[19:18] <sebas> reproducable is good :)
[19:18] <freinhard> is there a dbg metapackage?
[19:20] <apachelogger> kdebase-workspace-dbg
[19:20] <freinhard> apachelogger: that one didn't pull in kdelib5-dbg ?
[19:22] <jjesse> apachelogger: sorry was afk
[19:22] <apachelogger> hm
[19:22] <jjesse> apachelogger: yes i love my dell min, i use it all the time especially when i travel (which i do a ton for my job) and i take notes in conferences and other mtgs on it
[19:22] <jjesse> it is very solid and very stable
[19:22] <apachelogger> freinhard: maybe it the dependency was lifted ... please report a bug though, in case it was accidental
[19:23] <apachelogger> jjesse: I am wondering if we get a discount for working on the OS ;-)
[19:23]  * apachelogger just realized that he doesn't have much of a usecase for the mini 9 right now :S
[19:24] <apachelogger> oh well, lets ask the universal decision maker
[19:24] <apachelogger> jjesse: thanks for the info :)
[19:25] <jjesse> apachelogger: would have been nice if we got a discount
[19:25] <jjesse> apachelogger: i wouldn't code on it, or write a lot of docbook stuff
[19:25] <jjesse> apachelogger: but i watch a lot of movies, take notes in confrences/meettings
[19:26]  * apachelogger would be most interested in creating kubuntu-mobile or whatever the correct naming would be nowadays
[19:26] <freinhard> apachelogger: should kdebase-workspace-dbg depend on kdelibs-dbg? i've no idea.
[19:27] <apachelogger> freinhard: it did at some point
[19:27] <apachelogger> and it makes sense IMHO
[19:28] <JontheEchidna> heh, cmake stayed at 2% for an entire kdelibs build
[19:29] <JontheEchidna> bug maybe?
[19:29] <apachelogger> maybe
[19:29] <DaskreecH> hi kubotu
[19:29] <kubotu> evening DaskreecH
[19:29] <JontheEchidna> ~order pepsi
[19:29]  * kubotu slides pepsi down the bar to JontheEchidna
[19:31] <DaskreecH> IS there a kteatimer or something of the sort in KDE4?
[19:38] <Mamarok> DaskreecH: Tea Cooker?
[19:39] <Mamarok> actually plasma-widget-teacooker
[19:42] <freinhard> sebas: i guess that one isn't usefull yet? http://dpaste.com/25739/
[19:45]  * freinhard needs dbg symbols for plasma_applet_networkmanagement.so
[19:47] <DaskreecH> Ah neat ok :) Thanks Mamarok
[20:16]  * apachelogger pokes Nightrose
[20:17]  * Nightrose pokes apachelogger
[20:17] <apachelogger> Nightrose: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9dWMhSJq0c
[20:18] <apachelogger> Nightrose: next time we meet we will so go out skaning :P
[20:18] <apachelogger> +k somehwere
[20:18] <Nightrose> hehe
[20:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: are you going to create a list of additional desktop file pos we need to download from KDE SVN?
[20:28] <apachelogger> I suppose at least plasma-widget-network-manager, amarok and k3b
[20:28] <apachelogger> digikam
[20:28] <apachelogger> kipi-plugins
[20:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: really, we should revert the pkgbinarymangler change, all this feels way to dangerous of missing something
[20:29] <apachelogger> ...kpackagekit
[20:29] <apachelogger> ktorrent
[20:30] <apachelogger> quassel needs haxx0ring to get it work
[20:31] <DaskreecH> jjesse: Which did you choose? gwibber or choqok ?
[20:45] <jjesse> DaskreecH: i use choqok
[20:46]  * DaskreecH pastes rickspencer3-afk to the floor
[20:46] <DaskreecH> jjesse: Ah yeah I kinda settled on that as well
[20:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you think canonical would sponsor a netbook so I can kick-off kubuntu-netbook?
[21:56] <Arminius_> hi
[21:58] <Arminius_> anyone? :)
[22:00] <blizzz> hi Arminius_ (don't count on me, i have only few clues either)
[22:00] <Arminius_> ah well on the main chan they hadn't either ^^
[22:01]  * DaskreecH missed it. What are we talking about?
[22:01] <Arminius_> well I got a big bug... and don't know if it's one...
[22:01] <Arminius_> http://www.pastebin.ca/1385280
[22:02] <Arminius_> I tried updating from KDE 4.1 to 4.2 (via konsole)
[22:02] <Arminius_> and I get that response
[22:02] <Arminius_> it asks me to remove critical packages
[22:02] <Arminius_> isn't that some huge bug?
[22:03] <Arminius_> (on the main chan, they didn't know)
[22:03] <mprice> Arminius, how did you upgrade to 4.2?
[22:04] <mprice> which repository did you use?
[22:04] <Arminius_> I didn't yet, but I added a source... just a sec
[22:04] <Arminius_> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ppa/ubuntu
[22:05] <Arminius_> that one
[22:05] <Arminius_> I started the update but when it asked me to remove those critical packages, I stopped..;
[22:06] <mprice> try sudo apt-get upgrade instead of dist-upgrade
[22:06] <mprice> see what that does
[22:06] <Arminius_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 67 not upgraded.
[22:07] <Arminius_> (I had done that already)
[22:07] <mprice> hmm............
[22:08] <Arminius_> yeah, told myself the same thing ;)
[22:08] <Arminius_> so, tried to ask the experts ^^
[22:08] <Arminius_> :)
[22:16] <Arminius_> I guess no answer means I got a big problem ;)
[22:17] <DaskreecH> What version is it going to?
[22:17] <Arminius_> from 4.1 to 4.2
[22:18] <DaskreecH> apt-cache policy kdelibs5
[22:18] <Arminius_> ok sec
[22:19] <Arminius_> Installed: 4:4.1.4-0ubuntu1~intrepid1.1
[22:19] <Arminius_>  Candidate: 4:4.2.2-0ubuntu1~intrepid1
[22:19] <Arminius_> should I copy the rest too?
[22:20] <rbrunhuber> Hi, I just tried to download the kubuntu jaunty beta over the de.archive.ubuntu.com url stated on the beta page but i get a 404.
[22:21]  * jpds wonders 'Since when Kubuntu was a folk of Ubuntu': http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu#Variants
[22:21] <jpds> rbrunhuber: The ISOs should be served from de.releases.ubuntu.com
[22:22] <jpds> ...which is broken. Awesome.
[22:23] <rbrunhuber> jpds: http://de.releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/9.04/ also 404s
[22:23] <jpds> rbrunhuber: Ja, see: http://de.releases.ubuntu.com/bye/
[22:24] <jpds> rbrunhuber: I'll try and get someone to change the DNS to point to another mirror.
[22:25] <jpds> rbrunhuber: In the mean time, pick a mirror from https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors and go.
[22:26] <Arminius_> jpds I guess I shouldn't ask you if you got any idea how to fix my bug? :s
[22:27] <rbrunhuber> I was so daring to add the following text to the beta page: (broken!!!, please try another mirror till sorted out)
[22:27] <jpds> Arminius_: No sorry, not sure what the problem is there.
[22:28] <jpds> rbrunhuber: Which beta page?
[22:28] <rbrunhuber> jpds : https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JauntyJackalope/Beta/Kubuntu#preview
[22:29] <Arminius_> ok jpds , maybe another day someone will know the answer
[22:29] <Arminius_> bye to all ;)
[22:29] <Arminius_> cu
[22:29] <jpds> rbrunhuber: Good idea.
[22:29] <tsimpson> jpds: it doesn't say it's a fork
[22:30] <tsimpson> oh, yes it does, in the image
[22:36] <jpds> rbrunhuber: http://de2.releases.ubuntu.com/
[22:39] <rbrunhuber> jpds : this url does not server kubuntu images
[22:39] <jpds> rbrunhuber: http://de2.releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ ?
[22:40] <rbrunhuber> jpds : my bad just figured it out. How official is this mirror?
[22:41] <jpds> rbrunhuber: Very, if it has a *.releases.u.c address.
[22:42] <rbrunhuber> jpds : just changing it.
[22:42] <rbrunhuber> jpds: done
[22:44] <rbrunhuber> jpds: thanks for your help
[22:44] <jpds> rbrunhuber: Keine Probleme.
[22:46] <rbrunhuber> jpds: is my english so bad or did you guess from the de mirror that i'm from germany? are you from germany?
[22:46] <jpds> rbrunhuber: When you joined the channel: "rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@...einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel"
[22:48] <jpds> :)
[22:48] <rbrunhuber> jpds: so where are you from?
[22:48] <jpds> London.
[23:48]  * kb9vqf is getting mad at the amd64 LiveCD
[23:48] <kb9vqf> Any ideas why the remastered CD would reboot the system just as it displays the graphical boot menu?
[23:49] <kb9vqf> This only happens under AMD64
[23:49] <kb9vqf> I can't get any debug messages (very annoying)