[00:01] * kb9vqf is hungry...will be back later :) [00:05] rickspencer3: some things might not make it? [00:34] daskreech: At this point in the cycle I worry about the things that won't get done, and of course ... [00:34] they huge face melting bug that hasn't been discovered yet :) [00:35] rickspencer3: That's what the final release is for :) To get out the big bugs for the next heavy dev cycle ;-) [00:35] heh [00:36] also ... all the things I think that I could have done better, but for lacking the benefit of hindsite :) [00:36] I think You probably have a hindsite [00:36] hindsight s well [00:37] weird my a dissappeared [00:37] Jackalope looks to be a nice release though [00:37] agreed [00:37] probably not quite enough to shift hardy users [00:37] dunno [00:37] But then we do have Luscious Lemming coming up [00:38] For Ubuntu anyway, I think Jaunty will be tempting to upgrade too [00:39] not sure about Kubuntu, I don't have a great feel for the users, but it seems like if you want an update to date KDE distro, Jaunty may be the way to go [00:39] why install by default gdebi-kde in Kubuntu if Kpackagekit opens .deb packages by default? [00:39] rickspencer3: better than Ibex It's out of the weird stage [00:39] at this point it's basically KDE3 vs KDE4 [00:39] Hardy is a very good solid KDE3 release [00:40] yeah, it's like KDE is emerging from the chrysalis [00:40] Jackalope is a very good solid KDE4 release [00:40] KDE4 is not very good solid [00:40] If you like KDE4 Jackalope is where you want to be if you don't it's probably hardy [00:40] it is almost very good solid [00:41] EagleScreen: Shhhh rickspencer3 is afraid ig Bugs come freeze time :) [00:41] wow [00:41] how did of become ig ? [00:42] EagleScreen: Yeah some strange artifiacts but over all I think it's pretty nice out of the box [00:42] I mean about pure KDE4 or Qt4 bugs, Kubuntu Team has nothing or few to do with them [00:42] but Jaunty is very usable [00:44] I still want the system to recognize which file you are downloading and put it in the right XDG directory [00:45] daskreech: can't you di it with Kget? [00:45] depends on the server supplying that information too [00:46] I've seen servers supplying everything as text/plain or application/octet-stream [01:33] ! [01:35] after last upgrade today... when I close my KDE session, kdm doesn't show the X, I need to restart kdm throw the shell [01:46] Moin. Quick question: Is it normal not to get KDE crash dialogs in Jaunty right now? [01:50] tsimpson: uploaded your kdebindings patch [01:51] thanks :) [02:07] a|wen: what's up with .desktop translations? [02:08] can anyone tell me how i can download the partman files that are part of the ubiquity installer [02:11] Riddell: pkgmangler or somesuch was edited to strip translations from .desktop files [02:12] since most languages still have several thousand untranslated .desktop files this is bad news... [02:14] a workaround is to not put in the ubuntu-gettext-domain entry by not doing it in kde4.mk.in [02:14] what file do i edit to specify the default background for all users? it used to be kdesktoprc now in kde 4 what file is it? [02:15] plasma-appletsrc [02:15] in what directory [02:16] I guess /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/ [02:16] ok [02:16] not much in that file [02:17] JontheEchidna: oh crap [02:18] yeah :( [02:18] so i would have to add soemthing there then? [02:18] yeah [02:18] you could use the local plasma-appletsrc from ~/.kde/share/config I guess [02:19] as a model [02:20] thanks [02:26] hrm, it was pitti who added the .desktop stripping, would have been nice if he'd told me [03:14] Riddell: ping [03:14] seele: if you're quick [03:15] oh, this might take you a few minutes [03:15] Riddell: need pic and bio for akademy presentation [03:15] seele: can I do this tomorrow? [03:15] Riddell: sure [03:15] i just happened to be in the presentation system [03:16] bed calls, I think it'll have to wait until tomorrow [03:16] * seele waves [03:16] 'night === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak === Mr_Griev1s| is now known as Mr_Grieves| [09:54] Riddell: has notes been removed from the desktop? [09:56] davmor2: still here for me at least [09:56] Mamarok: not on today's live cd it isn't [09:56] ok... [09:57] * Mamarok didn't even know there was a live CD today... [09:58] davmor2: but it's in the universe repos, so you can get it easily if you install [09:59] Mamarok: this is the sticky notes plasmoid that sits on the desktop I'm on about [10:00] so am I :) [10:02] Mamarok: in that case it should be in main and not universe as it is on the cd :) [10:03] davmor2: I don't talk about the CD, never did, read what I said [10:04] davmor2: imho it is a good idea to remove adding it by default as it overwrote people's existing notes [10:05] don't know if that has been fixed [10:20] davmor2: and we didn't have any means of translating the text on the default note; that was one of the reasons for removing it from the default desktop IIRC [10:21] a|wen: I wanted to know if it had been since it had issues before where it would disappear and I didn't want it being that :) [10:22] davmor2: i created a new user a few days ago; and it didn't have it on the default desktop [10:22] cool :) [10:28] davmor2: yes [10:28] Riddell: Ta [10:49] kb9vqf: technically speaking KDE 3 is kind of unmaintained, so first of all you should consult the archive admins IMHO [10:50] ok i'm feeling stupid but for months i keep looking every so often in system settings t find how to turn off the startup/shutdown music and have never found it, where is it controlled? [10:50] I don't think it is a good idea though, at the point where KDE 3 gets removed again we will have to provide yet-another-set-of-transition-paths and do yet-another-bunch-of-upgrade-testing [10:51] seaLne: notifications [10:51] you could also use krunner and search for notification [10:51] just in case you want to do it that way ;-) [10:52] in addition to that you could also use the systemsettings search and look for "sound" [10:53] apachelogger: ah i hadn't noticed before when i looked there that i needed to select the different sources of the notifications, thanks :) [10:53] you're very welcome :) [10:53] seaLne: you could also just turn off the whole audio output for notifications, btw [11:14] reza: you had pykde questions? === Mez is now known as CrazyShoe === CrazyShoe is now known as Mez [11:29] yes [11:29] i have tried your sample [11:29] it worked perfectly [11:30] Riddell: but when i make it as plasmoid, it didn't work [11:31] Riddle: I do not know if the plasma can send notification or not by design [11:32] have we any dell mini owners around? [11:41] Riddell: some more integratin for k3b: http://awen.dk/packages/ [11:43] reza: don't see why they shouldn't [11:43] reza: but you probably need to move the notifyrc file to /usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma/ (and killall knotify4) [11:44] a|wen: now there's a version number [11:45] Riddell: shh, I don't think Tonio_ want's to hear any more about that version number ;) [11:45] a|wen: shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!!!!! [11:45] :) [11:46] :) [11:47] *g* [11:50] Riddell: based on the doc, notifyrc should be inside for example appletname directory. For your sample it worked. [11:51] Riddell: applet like powerdevil,networkmanagement also keep notifyrc at appletname directory, but those are developed in C++ [11:53] powerdevil is a kded module so that'll be different [11:55] mergedwireless.cpp: KNotification::event(Event::NetworkDisappeared, i18nc("Notification text when a wireless network interface disappeared","Wireless network %1 disappeared", m_disappearedNetworks[0]), QPixmap(), 0, KNotification::CloseOnTimeout, KComponentData("networkmanagement", "networkmanagement", KComponentData::SkipMainComponentRegistration)); [11:55] Riddell: why do screenshots go to documents folder by default wouldn't pictures be better? [11:55] reza: network managment seems to have that extra KComponentData to tell it where to find the file [11:56] davmor2: documents is the default folder when another isn't specified. pictures would be better [11:56] Riddell:also it is PopupApplet [12:00] Riddell: thank you for the clue [12:00] Riddell: KNotification.event("Updates", "hello", KIcon("konqueror").pixmap(QSize(22,22)),None,KNotification.CloseOnTimeout,KComponentData("notplasma","notplasma",KComponentData.SkipMainComponentRegistration)) [12:01] it can display the notification [12:01] reza: that works? [12:01] Riddell: yes [12:01] excellent [12:02] Riddell: now my next problem is how to put notifyrc automatically, when i do plasmapkg -i [12:06] reza: that I'm afraid I don't know [12:06] maybe #plasma can help [12:07] no problem, ok thanks alot. [12:21] guys I am wondering why you dont see the estimanted time to download a file when you do with konqueror === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [12:28] nixternal: yes ...re:OBS mail [12:29] just got one though :D [12:29] now I also got mail from ubuntu-es-l10n-owner@lists.ubuntu.com because I triaged that broken desktop file bug and am not allowed to post that list [12:30] most awesome is that the message is in spanish :S [12:30] vorian: .!!!~~~~>Bat l10n WARNING: sk not yet in the archives - please package manually!!!!!!!!!!!!! [12:30] .!!!~~~~>Bat l10n WARNING: bnin not yet in the archives - please package manually!!!!!!!!!!!!! [12:34] JontheEchidna: ping [12:34] pong [12:35] JontheEchidna: did you poke pitti yet? [12:35] nope, but I informed Riddell. [12:36] did Riddell poke pitti yet? :P [12:36] * apachelogger notes that kde-l10n-* is fixed and ready for upload [12:38] btw, any reason kubuntu-desktop doesn't recommend kdenetwork-sharing? [12:38] JontheEchidna: I'm starting off by seeing if I can get the .desktop translations patch working [12:39] Riddell: what does that patch do? [12:39] JontheEchidna: kdenetwork-filesharing is buggy [12:39] oh [12:39] quite much so :D [12:40] apachelogger: make .desktop files get translated with .po files [12:40] they wouldn't? [12:40] should we remove the button from the dialog you get when you select the properties of a folder then? [12:40] * apachelogger thinks reverting the pkgbinarymangler change would be quite an option here [12:41] doing stuff that is not even supported on the KDE side of $ubuntu ... pretty good reason for reverting everything from my point of view [12:42] it should be supported, I just havn't had time/reason enough to look at getting the patch working [12:43] Riddell: it is an issue on multiple levels anyway, since our l10n don't import the correct desktop files, thus lp spits out the wrong ones, thus the lang-packs are mostly useless [12:43] and since the patch is not yet working KDE probably doesn't even care that it got no translations ;-) [12:44] Nightrose: ping [12:45] apachelogger: pong [12:45] ah [12:45] nvm [12:45] http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=948772 [12:45] Nightrose: poke jeff really hard with that [12:45] * apachelogger can't upload until that is $fixed [12:46] :P [12:46] apachelogger: hehe ok [12:46] tester_: see if that works [12:47] quassel works then :) [12:49] Riddell: I thought jockey was using policykit-kde [12:53] davmor2: what does it do? [12:54] apachelogger: can't upload what? [12:54] Riddell: new amarok-nightly-kdesupport [12:54] Riddell: it's asking for the password before the app start which would indicate that kdesudo was being used rather than asking for the password after you select a driver to install [12:55] Could I get sponsorship for bug 356230 please? [12:55] Launchpad bug 356230 in ktorrent "New upstream bugfix release (KTorrent 3.2.1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/356230 [12:57] davmor2: there's nothing in the .desktop file asking for sudo [12:58] JontheEchidna: oh I knew there was something else I ment to upload yesterday [12:58] hehe :) [12:58] kdebase-workspace could also use uploading, lots of changes in bzr [12:58] Riddell: weird [12:59] * apachelogger starts batl10n-upload [12:59] JontheEchidna: .orig has wrong filename [13:00] oh, I uploaded the wrong one [13:00] sabdfl1: it would appear that you have a bit of a connection problem ;-) [13:01] That ktorrent bug isnt important [13:02] thing thats important is to fix the regressions and bad drivers, new users will think, whats this for bad os [13:02] there's really nothing we can do about that, none of us are driver programmers [13:03] most of the developemnt for that stuff goes on in #ubuntu-devel [13:03] Riddell: could it be the plasmoid that appear on the panel that causes it. I'm running from menu and not seeing it now [13:03] _the_ regressions? [13:03] Riddell: re-upped the ktorrent orig [13:04] yes apachelogger, as normall user, thats the thing where I say, kubuntu isnt ready to be label stable, and I dont believe that it will in less than 20 days [13:04] _thats_? [13:06] Riddell: I'm just going to remove the nvidia driver and see if it happens again from the panel plasmoid [13:06] But from my opion the regressions possible can come from qt4.5 [13:06] ok [13:07] quassel208: please declare variables before you use them [13:07] I have no clue what you are talking about [13:07] variables? dont use hard words, englisch is not my main lauguge [13:07] ah well [13:08] quassel208: write a mail to kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com [13:08] But can I downgrade Qt to 4.4 ? [13:08] no [13:08] Then I could test it for real [13:09] Nightrose: please hold me, I am lagging away [13:09] * Nightrose holds apachelogger [13:09] isnt Qt 4.4 in intrepid ? [13:09] quassel208: you need to explain what you think is wrong ... just saying regressions doesn't help; we need to know what [13:10] * a|wen takes a firm grip on apachelogger's arm [13:10] I think the regressions can be caused because kubuntu used Qt 4.5 [13:10] Qt 4.5 is for kde4.3 and 4.2 used Qt 4.4 [13:11] quassel208: which regressions? [13:11] a|wen, Nightrose: I kinda imagine this like skydiving ;-) [13:11] in Kde [13:11] quassel208: you need to be specific [13:12] JontheEchidna: have we got any break-through regarding the kickoff focus issue; saw you changed it to triaged [13:12] a|wen: nah, I just do that when the upstream bug is confirmed [13:12] JontheEchidna: oh okay ... just hoped :) [13:12] since supposedly that means upstream has enough info needed to fix the bug [13:12] so [13:13] what do you think about using tar.lzma? [13:13] * apachelogger is obviously biased, but thinks that he would have to lag a lot less if he had to upload less than 315 MiB [13:14] apachelogger: no objections if the tools support it ... though i'd rate smaller .deb sizes higher [13:14] a|wen: you'd just need to do testing for the .debs [13:15] I would assume kde-l10n-* could decrease in size with lzma [13:15] anyway, the dpkg tools all support lzma AFAIK, soyuz just doesn't yet [13:15] but the latter is nothing we couldn't fix with some lobbying [13:16] Anyway I going run pcbsd any of those days to see if its not that messed up. like ubuntu will fix those regressions ( And I bet they are reported ) [13:16] :) [13:16] I thought we were already using orig.lzma with amarok, so what doesn't soyuz support? [13:17] (iirc they got rid of the dpkg-predepends requirement for publishing a few days ago) [13:17] lzma for karmic +1 ... some more room on the cd is always needed [13:17] JontheEchidna: no, we can only do that because the origs are within another tar, since the amarok tarball includes 2 tarballs nowadays [13:17] apachelogger: what's the issue? [13:17] oh, right tar.lzma [13:17] why can't you upload taglib-extras? [13:18] jefferai: because I'd like to have the long-term solution of having it inside the kdesupport package ... which by the way is also a lot less work [13:19] apachelogger: ok...go fix it [13:19] cause, I don't know how :-) [13:19] meeeeeh :P [13:19] exactly [13:19] I can *try* to fix it [13:19] I haz to fix the kubuntu l10n first [13:20] Actually, I know how [13:20] I know the theory of it [13:20] But I wasn't aware it actually caused an issue for anyone [13:20] Riddell said taglib-extras was already packaged [13:20] for jaunty users [13:21] neon is only available on $current-stable ... i.e. intrepid right now [13:21] anyway, I'll give fixing the compile a try ... I am dead in the water due to massive kde-l10n uploads anyway ;-) [13:22] yeah, but isn't it pretty easy to take riddell's package and just recompile it for intrepid? [13:22] jefferai: for neon it still comes down to more work than having it within kdesupport [13:23] ok [13:23] I'll try to fix it today [13:25] jefferai: k, thx :) [13:46] yay, ktorrent uploaded [13:51] is there a reason why kde-l10n-* packaged in a single package? [13:51] jefferai: if(taglib_SOURCE_DIR) [13:51] set(TAGLIB_INCLUDES ${taglib_SOURCE_DIR}/taglib) [13:51] set(TAGLIB_LIBRARIES tag) [13:51] else(taglib_SOURCE_DIR) [13:51] s/single/meta [13:52] apachelogger: what about it? [13:52] jefferai: that ought to be enough [13:52] feel free to commit if you've got it working :-) [13:52] well, the includes are wrong [13:52] yes [13:52] gnomefreak: it's not .... [13:52] it'll actually be more like, the top-level CMakeLists.txt defines a variable [13:52] vorian: not from the looks of it in the *-changes mailing list [13:52] if it's defined, use the taglib stuffe [13:53] else [13:53] findpackage [13:53] it lists each locale [13:53] that is flawed IMHO [13:53] 04/07/09|05:59 < gnomefreak> is there a reason why kde-l10n-* packaged in a single package? [13:53] jefferai: if /taglib is available it will have the appropriate variable in cmakecaceh [13:53] vorian: only happens with kubuntu [13:53] you asked why it was in a single package [13:53] i said it was not [13:53] jefferai: so taglib_SOURCE_DIR ought to be the more precise check [13:53] oops [13:53] vorian: why its not in a meta package [13:53] if you already knew this, why ask the question> [13:54] vorian: forgot the not [13:54] gnomefreak: because that's how upstream ships it [13:54] gnomefreak: there's something about 400MB source packages I find off putting [13:54] Riddell: makes sence [13:54] that would take 12 hours to upload [13:54] :P [13:55] gnomefreak: that very first kubuntu release was almost delayed because of a bug in the 400MB kde-i18n package, each compile takes many hours [13:55] * gnomefreak didnt know upstream shipped it that way :) [13:55] jefferai: anyway, about the actual includes ... maybe taglib's cmakelists should export the value as TAGLIB_INCLUDE_DIRECTORIES, then findtaglib just needs to loop through the entries and make sure the prefix is correct [13:55] maybe [13:55] I'll play with it [13:55] aye aye :) [13:55] so I decided to ship it split up after that. upstream followed with KDE 4. Debian still puts it into a single massive tar poor souls [13:56] haha [13:56] well, it makes sense to a certain degree [13:57] almost everything is the same (read: everything but name), so except the name is wrong, you will probably have to upload all of them anyway [13:57] and then you have to consider that uploading one big file is faster than uploading loads of smaller files ... same applies for building [13:58] thats true but uploading one big one im not sure it is faster than single [13:59] * gnomefreak dreams of small packages to build and upload [13:59] gnomefreak: connection establishing and closing takes quite some time for 3*50 files [13:59] apachelogger: true [13:59] not to mention the gpg check :P [14:28] apachelogger: regarding amarok-nightly http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/146211/ [14:29] that looks broken, doesn't it ;-) [14:29] seele: dpkg --force-overwrite $DEBFILE === sabdfl1 is now known as sabdfl [14:41] apachelogger: wow [14:41] I've got like two screens of change mail from you! [14:41] apachelogger: thanks, looks like that worked [14:43] rickspencer3: beware my allmighty script powas ;-) [14:43] :) [14:43] seele: I also triggered a kdebase rebuild, ultimately that should resolve the issue for others as well [15:00] apachelogger: what was the re-upload of l10n about? [15:00] * vorian is kinda lost as of late [15:00] vorian: we were fetching the kde3 translations of the desktop files, rather than the kde4 ones [15:01] oh, ouch [15:01] did ye fixor the scripts? [15:11] hello === davidbarth_ is now known as davidbarth [15:13] quassel really should eat 150mbs of RAM? [15:17] Quintasan: always :P === ubott2 is now known as ubottu [15:18] oh god, I don't like this [15:19] it takes 15 seconds for window to show up [15:19] I wonder why KDE start's lagging like hell when I leave my computer running [15:19] starts* [15:25] I think it's wrong for irc client to use ~150mbs of RAM :/ [15:38] Apparently kubuntuforums is hosted on http://www.smfforfree.com/ [15:38] * claydoh still hasn't gotten hold of the owner [15:39] at least now i know who to contact if it goes down again [15:41] vorian: the scripts don't due that, the debian/rules was wrong [15:42] * apachelogger ponders moving get-desktop to kde4.mk [15:42] should be just as invokable as if it was inside rules [15:42] just that it is central controlled [15:43] vorian: but I noticed another issue, get_prev doesn't like it when launchpad got a package page but no actual package to dget [15:43] not sure what is best to fix that, since he unavilabliliy needs to get passed down the whole stream [15:44] or eventually I could just throw an exception and catch it in get_prev itself [15:44] we'll see === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu [16:07] ok, got the .desktop translate from .po files patch working [16:09] yay ... that's half the way [16:29] a|wen: it's about 1/4 of the way [16:29] apachelogger did another 1/4 with changing to kde 4 files for the desktop .po files [16:30] * a|wen packs the optimism away again [16:30] a|wen: take it out, we're still 1/2 way there :) [16:30] but we're getting in the right direction [16:30] yay :) [16:30] next I need to update the list of desktop .po files we care about and update the kde-l10n-xx packages to include those [16:31] we really need to manually specify all the .desktop files we care about? [16:31] then we need to made sure launchpad does the right thing and poke Arne when it doesn't [16:32] that seems kind of stupid; shouldn't it just import translations from the desktop file while stripping ... and then apply them later [16:32] oh and we need to make sure all the KDE packages actually produce desktop_xxx.pot files which match what upstream uses [16:33] a|wen: it's mostly that launchpad needs to be told when new templates arrive which packages they belong to [16:33] hey, OpenWeek is coming up. I added an Intro to KDE 4 session per request, if you are interested in running a session, add it to -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep [16:34] Riddell: oh ... still seems like a lot of work doing all that for little benefit [16:35] it is, that's why I havn't done it before, but our hand has been forced [16:35] I just wish it had been forced more than three weeks before release [16:38] those things should have been done in the beginning when there was lots of time to find problems [16:38] i wonder how many other packages that might end up suffer from missing translations in jaunty due to this [16:48] Riddell: as I stated yesterday, that change, at this point in development process would completely qualify for revert [16:49] hm [16:49] a|wen got a point there [16:50] we need to change kde-l10n-* to fetch deskto_$foo.po files for every non-core KDE part [16:51] that is all of extragear (amarok, k3b, possibly digikam..) as well as everything else (e.g. knetworkmanager) [16:52] + in case Quassel carries translations of it's desktop file, which is probably the case, those also get removed (and we don't even have an easy way to make po files from) [16:52] so someone really wants to look into that [16:52] apachelogger: if that is true, this change should have broken each and every application with a desktop file which is just imported from debian [16:52] and all that thinking made me eve stronger belive in a revert [16:52] apachelogger: I'm looking into that now [16:52] a|wen: this only applies to main [16:52] the mangler doesn't mangle universe AFAIK [16:53] anyway [16:53] okay ... that is still a LOT of packages [16:53] * apachelogger moves out for coffee [16:53] a|wen: as I said, this kind of change at this point in the development process is simply invalid [16:54] apachelogger: i agree completely [17:04] Riddell: I got the kdeSudo from the plasmoid [17:05] for jockey [17:06] plasmoid? [17:06] oh, panel applet [17:06] that needs removed from the code then [17:06] davmor2: file a bug [17:07] Riddell: no probs === njpatel is now known as njpatel_away [17:29] Riddell: what's the applet going to be called? [17:30] davmor2: applet? [17:30] jockey is called jockey [17:30] fair enough [17:35] Riddell: pitti is dealing with it :) [17:36] kb9vqf: How goes? [17:41] hi sabdfl [18:07] I recall there being a goal for jaunty to get rid of all of kde3 [18:07] what about openoffice-kde? [18:08] Riddell: what happens if you go to ftp://streams.videolan.org/streams-videolan/ogg/ and select a video and try and play it in dragon player [18:08] kishore: If you can get OO.o to work with KDE4 we will ship it [18:08] Riddell: Also why does dragon player tell me it needs loads of codecs to play ogg? [18:09] DaskreecH: :) [18:09] Far as I know there is a single person who works on KDE-OO.o and they are employed by Novell with quite a few other things on their plaete so that's not likely to happen for a while [18:09] plate [18:10] DaskreecH: So are kde3 libs gonna be shipped with jaunty? or is the integration not ging to be shipped by default? [18:10] kishore: Last I heard yes n behalf of K3b and OO.o [18:11] ok [18:11] davmor2: doesn't seem to play from the ftp server [18:11] davmor2: it just does that regardless of what you're playing, it's not got any intelligence about it [18:12] Riddell: ah okay [18:12] Riddell: It does play on gnome and xubuntu just to let you know :) [18:12] davmor2: Works in the Dragon Kpart for Konqui :) [18:13] upstream bug I guess [18:13] Riddell: as long as it is not just me can I leave that one with you then please :) [18:17] Daskreech: How goes what? [18:22] kb9vqf: Stuff? [18:23] Daskreech: Ahh...stuff :) Quite busy with work at the moment.... [18:23] connected my laptop to a wired network (in addition to a running wlan connection), looks like the network widget causes a plasma crash? http://dpaste.com/25688/ [18:24] Ok :-) === njpatel_away is now known as njpatel === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu === Nightrose_ is now known as Nightrose [19:06] freinhard: does indeed look like it, poke sebas [19:06] * apachelogger find it still weird that widgets can make plasma go down [19:07] It's not weird at all [19:08]