[00:11] <dooglus> people
[00:11] <dooglus> I downloaded the 8.10 desktop ISO and mounted it
[00:11] <dooglus> now there are 2 .exes in the top level: umenu.exe and wubi.exe
[00:11] <dooglus> which do I need?
[00:12] <Mulder> 8.10 support in #ubuntu
[00:12] <Mulder> but i imagine you want wubi if you want to do wubi install
[00:13] <mrksbrd> dooglus: i just came in what are u trying to do?
[00:13] <dooglus> mrksbrd: I'm trying to install ubuntu 8.10 inside an NTFS partition
[00:13] <dooglus> I read that I could do that, to obviate the need to repartition
[00:14] <mrksbrd> wubi is kinda like a shortcut to allow you to run linux under a windows environment
[00:14] <mrksbrd> kinda like user switching in windows
[00:15] <mrksbrd> from what i read you shouldn't have to repartion
[00:15] <rww> mrksbrd: considering that it involves restarting your computer, it isn't much like user switching.
[00:15] <dooglus> mrksbrd: I heard it was something you boot into - ie. it doesn't run inside windows at all
[00:16] <dooglus> I have a dialog with 7 boxes to be filled in
[00:16] <dooglus> can someone tell me what they're for?
[00:16] <rww> dooglus: correct, and no, you don't need to partition for it. Wubi creates a virtual "loopback" partition in C:\wubi\.
[00:16] <dooglus> rww: the first seems to be the drive to install to - C: is an ok default.  then the size (5GB), then what?
[00:16] <rww> dooglus: They're all the questions the installer would usually ask you. Any particular one you don't understand?
[00:16] <dooglus> the default is 'ubuntu'
[00:17] <dooglus> rww: the 3rd one
[00:17] <dooglus> it's a drop-down menu with 'ubuntu' in it
[00:17] <dooglus> the icon is two windows inside a window
[00:17] <rww> dooglus: leave that as default. If you download wubi separately (not on a disc), there's options like Xubuntu and Kubuntu on there. You likely want Ubuntu.
[00:18] <dooglus> ok thanks
[00:18] <dooglus> http://wubi-installer.org/faq.php shows an englsih version :)
[00:19] <dooglus> I tried with the 9.04 beta first, but wubi.exe just doesn't work there
[00:19] <dooglus> so I went to 8.10 and that is now installing
[00:20] <rww> I think Wubi needs updating every time a new release comes out to work with that release. They likely haven't gotten around to it yet.
[00:20] <dooglus> ok
[00:20] <dooglus> it's "creating image" and has done 40% of 732.8MB
[00:20] <BluesKaj> yes wubi only installs stable releases
[00:20] <dooglus> what image is that?  I'd expect it to be creating a 5GB image, not a 732.8MB one?
[00:21] <rww> dooglus: it's a copy of the installation CD that it uses when it restarts into Ubuntu setup.
[00:21] <dooglus> rww: it's copying it inside the 5GB is has set aside?
[00:22] <dooglus> or is that extra?  ('cos I don't have extra free)
[00:22] <rww> dooglus: that's extra
[00:22] <dooglus> it's asking to restart, and giving 2 options
[00:22] <dooglus> any idea what they are?
[00:23] <rww> dooglus: restart right now or restart later, i'd guess.
[00:27] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[00:27] <thiebaude> yo
[00:28] <thiebaude> hey your everywhere
[00:29] <ActionParsnip> hell yeah
[00:30] <ActionParsnip> +1, ubuntu and kubuntu
[00:30] <thiebaude> haha
[00:30] <kindofabuzz> don't really know if this a jaunty issue but just installed Google Earth 5, it closes after the tip comes up. any ideas?
[00:30] <thiebaude> no #ubuntu-devel
[00:31] <Mulder> kindofabuzz, better than a hard crash
[00:31] <Mulder> which is what happens to me when i open googleearth
[00:31] <kindofabuzz> hmm
[00:31] <Mulder> possibly a graphics driver problem
[00:31] <kindofabuzz> so you think it may be jaunty and not earth itself?
[00:31] <kindofabuzz> lemme try without compiz on
[00:32] <kindofabuzz> nope, still closes with compiz off
[00:34] <kindofabuzz> ./googleearth-bin: relocation error: /lib/i686/cmov/libssl.so.0.9.8: symbol BIO_test_flags, version OPENSSL_0.9.8 not defined in file libcrypto.so.0.9.8 with link time reference
[00:34] <kindofabuzz> whatever that means
[00:35] <ActionParsnip> kindofabuzz: did you tyry install it from repos?
[00:35] <kindofabuzz> ActionParsnip, no, downloaded the .bin
[00:36] <kindofabuzz> GE isn't even in the repos
[00:36] <ActionParsnip> kindofabuzz: its worth a try
[00:36] <ActionParsnip> kindofabuzz: its in the medibuntu repo
[00:36] <kindofabuzz> ahh
[00:36] <ActionParsnip> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[00:41] <kindofabuzz> how would i uninstall this GE from the bin to install the repo version?
[00:41] <kindofabuzz> or just overwrite it?
[00:41] <ActionParsnip> kindofabuzz: i think yuo need the bin file to uninstall it
[00:42] <ActionParsnip> its not something i use
[00:42] <kindofabuzz> oh just run it again probably
[00:42] <ActionParsnip> i think its kinda pointless
[00:42] <Shishire> ooh! jaunty is no long "WILL break your system, now its just "may"!
[00:42] <ActionParsnip> didnt break mine :)
[00:43] <kindofabuzz> it did mine when it was alpha 6, but the beta rocks
[00:43] <thiebaude> it broke mine with newer kernel, i can only use 2.6.24-24 generic
[00:43] <kindofabuzz> that sux
[00:43] <thiebaude> yea x crashes
[00:43] <kindofabuzz> probably your vid card then
[00:43] <Shishire> are there still nVidia issues?
[00:43] <Mulder> driver
[00:43] <thiebaude> intel 81815
[00:43] <Mulder> but yes
[00:44] <thiebaude> yea those intel issues
[00:44] <Mulder> Shishire, nvidia has come out relatively unscathed
[00:44] <kindofabuzz> Shishire, my old school ti 4400 works fine in jaunty
[00:44] <Mulder> intel and ati mostly
[00:44] <thiebaude> intel been working since 6.06
[00:44] <Shishire> sweet!  I'll upgrade my desktop to beta soon!
[00:45] <Mulder> is python preventing an upgrade still?
[00:45] <Mulder> apparently not.
[00:45] <thiebaude> !x
[00:49] <kindofabuzz> Mulder, i got GE working, you have to rename libcrypto.so.0.9.8 in the GE folder then symlink the system libcrypto.so to libcrypto.so.0.9.8
[00:50] <kindofabuzz> or del the libcrypto.so.0.9.8
[00:50] <Mulder> yeah, that's not my problem
[00:50] <Mulder> but good to know
[00:50] <Mulder> i just used the googleearth-package package
[00:50] <kindofabuzz> yeah
[00:51] <AmyRose> Why does startkde in Jaunty remove all the GTK config files just to replace them with the defaults?
[00:51] <Volkodav> I have small fonts in GE though
[00:51] <Volkodav> I fixed it in previous versions but the fix does not work in 5 version
[00:51] <crdlb> AmyRose: what gtk config files? ~/.gtkrc-2.0?
[00:53] <AmyRose> crdlb: .gtkrc-2.0-kde4 (lines 147-154)
[00:53] <crdlb> hmm, I wonder how they use that file ...
[00:53] <crdlb> kde should be using an XSettings manager to set the theme and such
[00:54] <crdlb> no DE should ever touch ~/.gtkrc
[00:54] <Shishire> hmm, what's up with ubottu's sudo /etc/init.d/?dm  why the ?
[00:54] <AmyRose> crdlb: It deletes the file and replaces it with the one in kubuntu-default-settings
[00:54] <crdlb> that's dumb :/
[00:54] <AmyRose> crdlb: I prefer to use the gtk-qt engine's KCM panel to set my GTK theme
[00:54] <ActionParsnip> crdlb: mines a text file too ~/.gtkrc-2.0-kde4
[00:54] <crdlb> so changing the gtk theme in kde doesn't take effect unless you restart the app?
[00:55] <dooglus> thanks for the wubi help earlier guys
[00:55] <AmyRose> crdlb: Yeah, and it gets reset back to the default when I restart KDE.
[00:55] <dooglus> I'm typing from a wubi-installed ubuntu 8.10 now
[00:55] <ActionParsnip> crdlb: says: include "/usr/share/themes/QtCurve/gtk-2.0/gtkrc"   in the fiel
[00:55] <AmyRose> crdlb: It's bad practice to have a default forced upon the user like this just to switch the default GTK theme.
[00:55] <dooglus> "I can install 283 updates" - grrr :)
[00:55] <crdlb> fail :(
[00:56]  * ActionParsnip hates wubi
[00:56] <crdlb> ActionParsnip: that's terrible, they should at the very least be using gtk-theme-name = "QtCurve"
[00:56] <EagleScreen> root account in not set to QtCurve theme for gtk, so running synaptic it is ugly
[00:56] <dooglus> why ActionParsnip?
[00:57] <crdlb> XSettings works for root apps too, afaik
[00:57] <crdlb> whereas ~/.gtkrc obviously doesn't, since it's in the wrong homedir
[00:58] <ActionParsnip> dooglus: its still running in windows and its just a bad job like the gentoo live cd. if you wanna try it then the live cd is decent. no need for all this half windows stuff. plus its a pain when you wanna transfer to a full install
[00:58] <ActionParsnip> EagleScreen: shouldnt be using the root account anyway
[00:59] <AmyRose> I filed a bug about this and they closed it as a duplicate of a bug that they marked "fix released". >_>
[00:59] <EagleScreen> when using it with sudo; I think yes, ActionParsnip
[00:59] <ActionParsnip> EagleScreen: sudo uses the users profile, not roots
[01:00] <dooglus> ActionParsnip: you think Windows is running at the same time?
[01:00] <ActionParsnip> dooglus: well it sat on an ntfs partition, its just a whole bunch of mess
[01:01] <EagleScreen> ActionParsnip: on Intrepid, you had to set a copy of  .gtkrc-2.0-kde4 file in /root to do gtk applications be themed
[01:01] <dooglus> I just ran pidgin - it tells me "Accept certificate for contacts.msn.com?" and "The root certificate this one claims to be issued by is unknown to Pidgin."
[01:01] <dooglus> how can I validate that the cert is valud?
[01:01] <EagleScreen> I mean gtk applications run with sudo
[01:01] <dooglus> valid?
[01:01] <ActionParsnip> EagleScreen: just sudo or sudo su?
[01:02] <ActionParsnip> dooglus: if you are connecting to msn using the default server settings then its fine
[01:02] <EagleScreen> ActionParsnip: kdesudo
[01:02] <kindofabuzz> EagleScreen, you can just symlink users themes to /root themes
[01:02] <ActionParsnip> EagleScreen: weird
[01:03] <crdlb> oh, is this a user-installed theme?
[01:03] <rww> !gksudo
[01:03] <crdlb> I thought we were talking about one in /usr/share/themes
[01:03] <ActionParsnip> EagleScreen: i dont use gtk so i wouldnty have seen that sort of thing. i have learned today
[01:04] <EagleScreen> sudo keep user profiles as you say, but kdesudo not, stranger
[01:06] <dooglus> ActionParsnip: I'm connecting to the standard MSN servers, but pidgin is telling me the cert isn't fine.  That could indicate a MitM attack, right?
[01:08] <unko> sup guys
[01:08] <AmyRose> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/344118
[01:09] <ActionParsnip> dooglus: its fine, dont sweat it
[01:09] <unko> is jaunty stable enough fo rme to use? i want to switch to 64 but i want the latest version. and since 9.04 is coming out in 16 days should i just use that insteat of 8.10???
[01:09] <kindofabuzz> i need to actually try KDE, =) sounds like a project.
[01:09] <ActionParsnip> unko: try both
[01:10] <unko> ActionParsnip: not enough disk space to try both.. until i get my new system
[01:10] <rww> unko: Get 8.10 and upgrade to 9.04 in a month or so.
[01:11] <unko> rww: ok sounds fine to me
[01:11] <ActionParsnip> unko: install one, try it, remove, install the other, try it
[01:11] <pixelmonkey>  I was in the midst of an Intrepid update-manager -d upgrade and the updater crashed while configuring a package.  Is there any way to resume?  When I launch update-manager -d again, it detects a Jaunty release rather than Intrepid
[01:11] <rww> unko: and I mean a month or so, not right after release. The download servers will be slow as treacle around the 23rd.
[01:12] <Ampelbein> pixelmonkey: try sudo apt-get -f install
[01:12] <unko> rww: yea i understand
[01:13] <unko> rww: but last time i up'd from... 8.04 to 8.10 alot of problems happend
[01:13] <pixelmonkey> Ampelbein, the updater binary doesn't exist anywhere?
[01:13] <rww> !upgrade | unko
[01:14] <unko> rww: i know how to im just saying
[01:14] <rww> unko: Those pages will have official upgrade instructions on them when Jaunty comes out. Use those.
[01:14] <Ampelbein> pixelmonkey: i don't understand. what do you mean?
[01:15] <Ampelbein> update-manager is a python-script
[01:15] <unko> i would use kubuntu i like it alot it's just that it's package manager sux and so dose some other key componited
[01:15] <pixelmonkey> Ampelbein, forget it, I found it in the /tmp directory
[01:15] <pixelmonkey> Ampelbein, when you run update-manager -d it seems to download a "distro upgrade script" into /tmp and then run that
[01:15] <pixelmonkey> that's the program that crashed
[01:16] <pixelmonkey> so I'm re-running that (it happens to be /tmp/tmpfoobar/intrepid)
[01:17]  * kindofabuzz eats another lortab
[01:20] <unko> wait guys why don't i just download and use jaunty if it's gonna be stable in 16 days? i mean if its not stable now than forget it
[01:20] <kindofabuzz> it's in beta
[01:21] <crdlb> 16 days is a long time
[01:21] <kindofabuzz> stable for me now
[01:21] <crdlb> when the whole cycle is only 6 months
[01:21] <nibsa1242b> unko: its in Beta, and this isn't a "google style ( 5+ years ) beta"
[01:21] <crdlb> and if something really terrible turns up, they have the option to delay it
[01:22] <unko> nibsa1242b: SO..WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY?
[01:22] <kindofabuzz> he's saying it's beta, what else would that mean?
[01:22] <unko> wel should i use it or not?
[01:22] <kindofabuzz> up to you
[01:22] <ActionParsnip> unko: i'd suggest trying 9.04 but it may be a bit glitchy, if you are new to linux get 8.10
[01:22] <nibsa1242b> unko: I'm saying its a real beta, expect to find bugs; get it if you want to help test
[01:23] <kindofabuzz> oh yeah if you're new, stick with 8.10
[01:23] <Shishire> unko: you can use it. BUT its not necessarily either finished or stable.  it could cause all your data to dissapear.  or not.  the thing is, you don't know
[01:23] <unko> yea...hmmm im not new to linux at all but.. hmm i gues ill just use 8.10 i hate glitches
[01:23] <kindofabuzz> with computers you will always have glitches somewhere
[01:23] <unko> true
[01:27] <naresh76> Hello I am a new user need some help with audio issues
[01:27] <naresh76> I am using ubuntu 9.04
[01:29] <Mike_lifeguard> So, 9.04 uses a new filesystem (or something like that)?
[01:29] <naresh76> hello can anybody please help me
[01:30] <Mike_lifeguard> naresh76: Please be patient; if someone can help you they will.
[01:30] <naresh76> thanks
[01:32] <bruce89> Mike_lifeguard: no
[01:33] <Mike_lifeguard> I'm referring to Ext4 - my words may be wrong...?
[01:34] <Shishire> question: is ext4 backwards compatible with ext2 like ext3 is?
[01:34] <funkyHat> Shishire: no. You can mount an ext3 (and therfore I assume ext2 also) volume as ext4 though, but then you can't mount it as ext3 again after that
[01:34] <Lint01> Shishire: yes, of course
[01:35] <Shishire> O.o
[01:35] <Spirits-Sight> when I try and save to X configuration file using NVIDIA X Server Settings I get "Unable to create new X config backup file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup'." why do I get this and what can I do?
[01:37] <Mike_lifeguard> So that sounds like it complicates upgrade from anything using ext3, no?
[01:37] <Halow> Spirits-Sight: I was getting that same error. Running the Nvidia Settings as sudo seems to do the trick, at least for me.
[01:37] <Mike_lifeguard> I'm just wondering if it's worth using 9.04 to have 4...or instead use 8.04 which is a long term release or whatever it's called
[01:37] <nemo> ubuntu janitor just told me a bug I cared about had a "fix released" 35 minutes ago
[01:37] <nemo> is it worth syncing to see if it rolled out, or should I wait?
[01:38] <Shishire> apparently.  since I need access from windows via one of the ext2 drivers, I guess I'm not going to be using ext4
[01:38] <Spirits-Sight> what is the cmd for Nvidia settings please?
[01:38] <nemo> Mike_lifeguard: to have 4?
[01:38] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/354889 - this bug to be specific
[01:39] <Mike_lifeguard> nemo: ext4, sorry
[01:39] <nemo> ah
[01:39] <nemo> I was wondering
[01:39] <Halow> Spirits-Sight:  /usr/bin/nvidia-settings I went in to edit the menu setting to run it with gksu in front, so it prompts me for password (graphically) and then runs it.
[01:40] <nemo> 'cause the reason *I* would get the heck off 8.04 is that it is still on Qt 3 :-p
[01:40] <nemo> which means running hedgewars is a pain :)
[01:40] <Shishire> Mike_lifeguard: I'll be using 9.04 with ext3
[01:40] <Spirits-Sight> thanks
[01:40] <bytor4232> Anyone know what this means:  Error org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.PermissionDeniedByPolicy: org.freedesktop.hal.power-management.suspend no <-- (action, result)
[01:40] <bytor4232> This happens when I try to suspend
[01:41] <bytor4232> I can suspend by:  sudo pmi action suspend
[01:41] <Mike_lifeguard> I guess I will stick with the more stable 8.x
[01:41] <Shishire> bytor4232: apparently you don't have permission to suspend
[01:41] <nemo> Mike_lifeguard: the ".x" part is key
[01:41] <bytor4232> Shishire, Exactly, but where do I set permission to suspend
[01:42] <grodius> Hey can anyone help me out? i'm using an intel integrated chip on juanty and i cant get my compiz to work. In appearences it just says "Desktop effects could not be enabled." I've had this problem before, and i had to add something to my xorg. But i cant seem to find a bug fix anywhere on the net. can someoen help me out?
[01:42] <Mike_lifeguard> nemo: whatever came before 8.10 :)
[01:42] <nemo> Mike_lifeguard: 8.10 has Qt4 :)
[01:42] <Mike_lifeguard> Hardy
[01:42] <Shishire> I'm not running 9.04, but if its in the same place as 8.10, System->Administration->Authorizations
[01:42] <Mike_lifeguard> I dunno what Qt4 is :D
[01:43] <nemo> Mike_lifeguard: ...
[01:43] <nemo> Mike_lifeguard: major gui library used by a ton of apps
[01:43] <nemo> (including hedgewars ;) )
[01:43] <Spirits-Sight> Halow: thanks that worked
[01:44] <Halow> Spirits-Sight:  Welcome!
[01:45] <Mike_lifeguard> sorry, kinda distracted right now, my project is being attacked :O
[01:57] <grodius> lspci
[01:57] <grodius> ahhh
[01:57] <grodius> lols
[01:58] <Shishire> :D lsusb and lspci are your friends! treat them well and you will be happy :D
[02:05] <jtholmes> can anyone tell me how i can download the partman files that are part of the ubiquity installer
[02:23] <foxbuntu> jtholmes, apt-get source ubiquity
[02:29] <jtholmes> foxbuntu, thanks
[03:02] <alabamahit> Hi just installed 9.04. has anyone else had trouble with transmission. I cant figure out how to get it to minimize t the tray....The option used to be in the View Option but don't see that now.
[03:04] <jwormy> when upgrading to 9.04 beta support i get "Can't Install 'ubuntu-desktop'.  It was imposible to install a required package.  Please report this as a bug.'  anyone know anything more about this than the obvious?
[03:09] <grodius> hey, can someone help me with compiz on juanty? when i run compiz in term it says i dont have xgl among other things.
[03:09] <Halow> jwormy:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/335885 Seen that bug?
[03:10] <jwormy> Halow: was just getting to it... will try it now
[03:10] <jwormy> thanks
[03:18] <j5098> is there a way to roll back (at least the video driver part of) a jaunty upgrade?
[03:19] <brmassa> guys, how can i enable the middle mouse button on konqueror like older versions?
[03:21] <alanbshepard70> I had to upgrade to 9.04 earlier today and I just wanted to tell you guys thanks. It's very snappy and quick, I love it!
[03:32] <pixelmonkey> will Jaunty include packages for tuxonice?
[03:45] <Halow> pixelmonkey: http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/tuxonice-userui
[03:46] <pixelmonkey> Halow, I mean the kernel binary, not the userui
[03:46] <Halow> pixelmonkey: That was the only hit in the ubuntu packages list that I could find.
[03:46] <duckthis> Hi
[03:48] <phuzion> Hi guys, I upgraded to 9.04 (64 bit), and I need to install flash player into Firefox.  I downloaded the flash 10 alpha prerelease and would like to try it.  Anyone know how to install it into Firefox?
[03:49] <duckthis> Just go on a page that have a Flash object and click on he button will appear in the top.
[03:50] <EagleScreen> pixelmonkey: there is only a kernel patch in Debian Unstable, (source code patch I think)
[03:50] <pixelmonkey> EagleScreen, the maintainer of tuxonice maintains a git tree with the patched Ubuntu kernels
[03:51] <pixelmonkey> on kernel.ubuntu.com.  I'm basically wondering if anyone is turning these into debs for the actual Ubuntu release.
[03:51] <duckthis> Hey guys, I'm under 9.04 Beta and I have a problem. My internet is VERY slow.
[03:51] <duckthis> Can someone help me to disable IPv6 under 9.04?
[03:52] <EagleScreen> duckthis: use wifi?
[03:52] <duckthis> EagleScreen: Yes
[03:52] <duckthis> EagleScreen: Does it matter?
[03:54] <duckthis> EagleScreen. Cannot help?
[03:58] <duckthis> EagleScreen: I tried to disable IPv6, like I saw on many forums, but the technique doesn't work. Have an idea?
[03:59] <EagleScreen> not
[04:00] <EagleScreen> I dont know nothing about ipv6 and I didnt know that jaunty use it by default
[04:00] <duckthis> EagleScreen: I did a connection test, my internet ratio is 10 times lower then Vista.
[04:01] <EagleScreen> is it only in jaunty?
[04:01] <Duckthis> Yes. Tried under 8.10 and 8.04, works perfectly.
[04:02] <befr0d> Hello!
[04:02] <Duckthis> Hi.
[04:03] <Duckthis> So, should I come back tomorrow so people could help me more?
[04:03] <befr0d> what's your problem Duckthis?
[04:04] <Duckthis> Hey guys, I'm under 9.04 Beta and I have a problem. My internet is VERY slow.
[04:05] <befr0d> That sounds weird, how are you measuring the internet?
[04:05] <EagleScreen> any driver change in your wifi card?
[04:05] <Duckthis> Also, I use Wifi & a laptop Compaq Presario CQ-50 106CA
[04:06] <Duckthis> Should I use Madwifi?
[04:08] <Duckthis> Should I use Madwifi?
[04:09] <EagleScreen> Duckthis: tell us your card model
[04:09] <Duckthis> My Wifi card?
[04:11] <Duckthis> ns. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[04:12] <Duckthis> Atheros Communication inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[04:13] <bjsnider> Duckthis, there's a newer and better version of the ath5k driver for that card in the linux-backports-modules package
[04:14] <Duckthis> bjsnider, thanks but I'm under Linux until yesterday so... I'm a little bit "Newbie". How do I install it?%
[04:15] <bjsnider> Duckthis, at the terminal, sudo apt-get isntall linux-backports-modules-jaunty
[04:15] <bjsnider> that should be install
[04:17] <Duckthis> do i have to reboot or something?
[04:17] <bjsnider> affirmative
[04:19] <Duckthis> Is that the only thing I should do?
[04:19] <bjsnider> affirmative
[04:22] <Duckthis> Ok i'll try it
[04:22] <befr0d> Hey, I'm trying to find the volume control, but I can't add the applet
[04:22] <Duckthis> Be right back ;)
[04:23] <Duckthis> System->Preferences->Here it is:D
[04:26] <Duckthis> I'm back
[04:27] <Duckthis> Thank you bjsnider it works a high way better.
[04:28] <bjsnider> np
[04:28] <Duckthis> Well, I'm going to bed.
[04:28] <Duckthis> Goodbye!
[04:29] <dooglus> I installed ubuntu 8.10 using wubi.  Is it possible to update it to the 9.04 beta?
[04:29] <dooglus> someone said that wubi won't work with betas for installing - but what about for upgrading?
[04:33] <jsh_> #ubuntu
[04:48] <mrded> есть живой кто?
[04:51] <mrded> эй, бабища, блевани!
[04:53] <tuxFan> So, whats cooking?
[04:54] <cajun> so i have run Jaunty live the past couple of days from a usb drive and liked it and had few problems with it.  is it ok to upgrade? i'm really getting tired of iitrepid locking up frequently
[04:54] <tuxFan> Im running the beta , and so far so good
[04:55] <cajun> i run awn-trunk and compiz.  any clue how it works with those?
[04:55] <calc> cajun: do you know what is causing your intrepid lockups?
[04:55] <cajun> i have no idea calc
[04:56] <calc> cajun: its possible it could be hardware problems, but you can try out jaunty if it locks up to its probably something wrong with your system
[04:56] <cajun> i had intrepid for a while and it stopped locking up.  after i attempted to use the proprietary ATI driver, my system just screwed up in other ways so I did a fresh install. It's been locking up again.
[04:56] <cajun> jaunty hasn't locked up yet.
[04:57] <cajun> i've been running it all evening from my usb drive and had few problems.
[04:57] <calc> ok
[04:57] <cajun> a couple things crashed but nothing crucial for me.
[04:57] <cajun> i used to think the lockups were related to firefox but they have occured without firefox running at all.
[04:59] <cajun> the trigger for the lockup could be anything, literally.  even startup.
[04:59] <cajun> whois cajun
[04:59] <frybye> hi - after a while with very frequent updates - there dosen't seem to have been anything much for some 48 hours or?
[05:03] <ganesh>  from where can i download ubuntu 9.04 beta torrent?
[05:05] <brad_> does anyone know of a good program that you can use to change passwords on multiple systems, some of them routers?  I have over 150 passwords that expire every 60 days and the powers that be don't use a centralized auth system.
[05:06] <brad_> using a combo of ssh and telnet
[05:07] <frybye> ganesh - what about trying .. http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta
[05:07] <frybye> and a bit down the page are the links for d-loads and amongst them also torrents...
[05:08] <frybye> make sure you get the right d-load for your archetecture etc..
[05:09] <frybye> ganesh - eh on the other hand perhaps someone here knows where to get a daily release..?
[05:10] <ganesh> frybye: oh..ok..so from where can i get recent release?
[05:12] <frybye> ganesh: I am not really an expert.. so dont know - but bare in mind that the beta is not -that- old and you will get the updates to date as soon as you install practically.. so no big deal...
[05:13] <DasEi> ganesh: google download jaunty for recent release
[05:14] <DasEi> !install
[05:16] <niriven> With the latest beta, i cannto move my gnome panels (or unlock them), or set my root password, why is this?
[05:17] <frybye> ganesh: you could take a look at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ - not sure if this is the best way to go - perhaps sbdy else can advise..?
[05:18] <brad_> where do if find a list of known problems to see if one of the issues I'm having with jaunty has already been reported?
[05:19] <lamalex> Hey guys, does anyone know if theres a channel for inidcator applet development questions?
[05:20] <frybye> brad_: here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs  <--- you will need to register once...
[05:21] <frybye> there is a short list of known issues on the main beta page at ubuntu.com - some of this may have been resolved since release of beta.. the launchpad resources is dynamic and so pretty much up too date.. if not - your bug reports will help to make it so...
[05:24] <brad_> frybye : Thanks.. found the problem here:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/326988
[05:25] <Amaranth> brad_: I doubt it, there are probably 1000 bugs with that end-result
[05:25] <Amaranth> why did I put a dash in there?
[05:26] <brad_> one of the other people in the comments had the same laptop as me.
[05:26] <Amaranth> they may have a different bug too :P
[05:26] <brad_> but everything else has been working great so far.
[05:27] <Amaranth> brad_: does your system shutdown fine if you boot without splash?
[05:27] <maco> such bugs are highly hardware-specific. and commenters don't really count for "is it the same bug" as 3/4 of the time, they're just guessing too
[05:28] <brad_> haven't tried it since I just found that page... when I have the issue I hit ctrl-c and it gives me a couple of messages and then finishes shutting down.
[05:28] <brad_> let me go check my log files and see what they say
[05:29] <niriven> Bah, i am tired of ubuntu assuming that i am a complete idiot, back to gentoo it is
[05:34] <Stupendoussteve> Poor niriven, probably just needed to delete his gnome profile and let it start up again...
[05:36] <crdlb> the panel thing is an upstream gnome change too ...
[05:37] <afallenhope> hey when I go to open an image it opens up in thunderbird.. how do I default it back to image viewer (xubuntu)
[05:43] <maco> crdlb: the locking is upstream. the "cannot unlock" sounds like a bug
[05:43] <maco> afallenhope: right click an image and go to properties, open with tab, and choose the one you want apps to default to...i think
[05:44] <maco> dunno if xfce does that different though
[05:44] <crdlb> maco: I didn't understand unlock in that context
[05:44] <maco> crdlb: you can unlock and lock the panel. right click one and look
[05:44] <crdlb> I realize panel applets can be (un)locked, but that's not what he said
[05:44] <anthony1> Anyone available for a networking question on Ubuntu Desktop 8.04.2 ?
[05:44] <crdlb> I thought he meant the requirement to use alt+drag to move the panels
[05:44] <anthony1> I am looking for some assistance on obtaining a DHCP IP address on Ubuntu 8.04.2 over a Linksys wireless bridge 802.11g, model number WET54G ver 3.1
[05:44] <afallenhope> maco thanks
[05:45] <anthony1> I am able to assign a static IP address and DNS server information and connect just fine
[05:45] <anthony1> WEP is enabled on both the Verizon FIOS wireless router and Linksys wireless bridge
[05:45] <maco> crdlb: no, the entire panel can be locked to one edge
[05:45] <crdlb> maco: are you on jaunty?
[05:45] <maco> anthony1: um, this channel is for 9.04. 8.04 goes in #ubuntu
[05:46] <maco> crdlb: yes
[05:46] <crdlb> I'm not seeing that
[05:46] <anthony1> Thanks
[05:46] <maco> hey where'd it go...
[05:46] <maco> it was there in hardy and intrepid...
[05:46] <nellmathew> umm...  anyone experience an unexpected soft-reset of sorts?.. (i think it said "reloading cups.." and "reloading printing..) and then went back to login (all my previously opened programs were closed, along with an unsaved project i was working on..)
[05:46] <crdlb> maco: I'm pretty sure _that_ was a patch
[05:46] <brad_> brad_ |!pastebin
[05:47] <maco> crdlb: no, i have hte upstream source. locked panels are definitely an upstream thing
[05:47] <nellmathew> actually reloading cups and the log daemon i think it was..
[05:47] <maco> or were
[05:48] <brad_> I think this is where I'm failing to shutdown on my new dell laptop.  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/145952/
[05:48] <calc> nellmathew: reloading cups should not throw you back to the gdm login promprt
[05:48] <calc> nellmathew: X must have crashed
[05:49] <nellmathew> ah, alright that makes sense.. i was in the middle of watching a movie (had stuff open in the back too) went to a black screen with 2 reloads (cups and log daemon.. had some other text i can't recall) and then went back to login after a second or two.. where do i report bugs? launchpad?
[05:50] <crdlb> maco: are you sure you didn't use apt-get source? :)
[05:50] <maco> crdlb: i checked it out of gnome's bzr playground
[05:51] <maco> crdlb: it may have been removed since i did the checkout, but the first thing i was playing with was the gnome-panel-properties-dialog.c which includes a label whose sole purpose is to warn the user that their panel is locked
[05:51] <calc> nellmathew: yea
[05:52] <maco> nellmathew: ubuntu-bug xorg
[05:52] <maco> nellmathew: on the command line
[05:52] <maco> or xserver-xorg-video-whatever if you know the driver in use
[05:53] <crdlb> maco: that's a different kind of locking
[05:53] <maco> crdlb: O_o how many ways of locking does it have?
[05:53] <crdlb> the only lock warning I see in that dialog is the one for lockdown
[05:54] <crdlb> ie the sysadmin preventing the panel from being modified
[05:54] <maco> oh ok
[05:58] <kristian42> I accidentally bought and ATI graphics card and installed the restricted drivers. 1 hour later I took it back to the shop and got an nvidia instead. I tried running dpkg-reconfigure of xserver-xorg, but it seems like it's trying to start X in a wacky screen mode. Any suggestions ?
[06:00] <maco> the dpkg-reconfigure thing hasnt touched graphics drivers since gutsy ;)
[06:01] <maco> wait...isnt the notify-osd stuff supposed to be located by "distance from panel" not "distance from screen edge"?
[06:01] <crdlb> maco: yep
[06:01] <kristian42> maco: Nice to hear, probably that long since I had any issues with it. I also removed the linux-resrtricted-drivers module.
[06:02] <maco> kristian42: you probably need that
[06:02] <crdlb> kristian42: that would be the wrong approach
[06:02] <crdlb> uninstall xorg-driver-fglrx instead
[06:02] <crdlb> then use the hardware drivers manager
[06:03] <maco> im guessing the reason notify-osd is showing up on top of my panel is because im not using the window manager it expects. it's a silly silly reason, but notify-osd seems to freak out if you use xmonad
[06:04] <kristian42> crdlb: Thanks, I'll give that a try once I get back to the disaster box ;)
[06:04] <dtchen> maco: no, that's correct behaviour
[06:04] <crdlb> maco: hmm, it's not really a WM issue unless the WM is totally broken
[06:04] <dtchen> it's not a WM issue
[06:05] <crdlb> I recall a bug about a race condition with the panel struts
[06:05] <crdlb> which would imply that notify-osd is supposed to avoid the panel
[06:05] <dtchen> yes, it's her usage of avoidStruts
[06:05] <dtchen> e.g., in mine: , layoutHook = smartBorders $ avoidStruts (myLayout ||| Mirror myLayout)
[06:07] <crdlb> so it is a wm issue :>
[06:07] <dtchen> maco: you can work around that by defining your own manageHook, grabbing the className for notify-osd (which is, unsurprisingly, notify-osd), and shifting it down beyond the panel
[06:07] <dtchen> crdlb: no, it's correct behaviour on all sides
[06:07] <maco> dtchen: you're right, they only define the bubble's bottom limit, not the top limit
[06:07] <crdlb> issue != bug
[06:08] <maco> just all the screenshots show the bubbles not overlapping the panel
[06:08] <crdlb> so your wm is deleting the STRUT properties from the panel window?
[06:08] <maco> so what you're saying is: go learn haskell
[06:08] <dtchen> deleting? um, no. it's placing the windows non-overlapping with the panel.
[06:09] <crdlb> it shouldn't place an override_redirect window at all
[06:09] <maco> layoutHook = ewmhDesktopsLayout $ avoidStruts $ layoutHook defaultConfig     <--- that's what i have
[06:15] <dtchen> actually, it looks like you can just extend .Hooks.ManageDocks directly
[06:15] <dtchen> http://package-import.ubuntu.com/x/xmonad-contrib/jaunty/annotate/head%3A/XMonad/Hooks/ManageDocks.hs
[06:18] <keanu> dtchen, it was you and a few others I was talking to last night about flash issues in firefox - just as a heads up, it seems to be fixed now.  firefox had multiple flash plugins enabled for some reason, which seemed to have been conflicting
[06:18] <maco> er..that's confusing. ill just ignore that its on top of the panel rather than figure out haskell
[06:18] <dtchen> keanu: right, it's normally not a backend (PA/ALSA) issue
[06:18] <crdlb> maco: lol
[06:18] <maco> will look at haskell eventually, but for now.....ugh.....i need to go back to this compiler crap
[06:19] <dtchen> maco: eh, it's pretty straightforward; i can show you the six-line diff this weekend
[06:19] <maco> dtchen: ok
[06:19] <jw5098> i upgraded to jaunty, but kept my same menu.lst. how can i boot with the latest kernel i have?
[06:19] <keanu> dtchen, yeah. just thought i'd mention in here that it was fixed, so that nobody is wondering
[06:20] <maco> jw5098: run sudo update-grub
[06:20] <dtchen> keanu: thanks. not that i had any doubt that the backend wasn't to blame ;-)
[06:20] <jw5098> maco: thanks!
[06:21] <keanu> dtchen, yeah, I realized it probably wasn't the backend since PA wasn't actually crashing
[06:22] <jw5098> maco: does /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-8-generic sound right?
[06:22] <dtchen> that's an old intrepid kernel
[06:22] <maco> too old
[06:22] <jw5098> hm
[06:22] <maco> 2.6.28-11-generic it should be
[06:22] <maco> is that in your /boot?
[06:23] <maco> (still on -11 right? not -12?)
[06:23] <jw5098> yeah
[06:23] <jw5098> oh
[06:23] <jw5098> wait
[06:23] <jw5098> yes
[06:24] <jw5098> (sorry about all those lines) i guess i can just update that line in grub then, right?
[06:24] <maco> you can manually add a stanza to your menu.lst for that kernel
[06:24] <maco> well "update-grub" is *supposed* to add it to the menu.lst for you
[06:25] <jw5098> yeah, it didn't
[06:25] <jw5098> and do i have to change root= or anything else on the kernel line?
[06:26] <holyscott> quit
[06:27] <maco> jw5098: no
[06:55] <tsukasa> can anyone help me get compiz working again? i dist-upgraded, and it appears to be trying to start via Xgl
[06:56] <tsukasa> http://pastebin.ca/1384527
[06:56] <crdlb> it's just checking for Xgl
[06:57] <tsukasa> oh, well it doesnt replace
[06:57] <tsukasa> it just dies
[06:57] <crdlb> haven't you ever seen how ./configure often checks for the fortran compiler? :P
[06:57] <crdlb> your video driver is broken
[06:58] <crdlb> pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:58] <tsukasa> http://pastebin.ca/1384534
[06:59] <tsukasa> its probably broken, glxgears just failed
[06:59] <tsukasa> it doesnt seem broken though
[07:00] <crdlb> you have the wrong GLX module, as that EE block says
[07:00] <crdlb> that's usually caused by using the nvidia installer, then getting an xserver-xorg-core update
[07:01] <tsukasa> should i reinstall the drivers or just edit something in the config
[07:01] <crdlb> reinstall
[07:01] <tsukasa> okay then, time to do that, thanks crdlb
[07:09] <marshall> whenever there is a compiz animation or im scrolling down a page or watcing a video in fullscreen, my power supply makes this ticking noise. I tried to do 'sudo /etc/init.d/powernowd stop' as suggested in this post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3676966&postcount=25 but powernowd doesnt seem to exist anymore
[07:11] <yeason> I have a computer with an asus board in it, the onboard nic no longer seems to get an ip address... I'm at a loss as to what the problem could be and am hoping someone can lend some assistance
[07:12] <yeason> I've tried dhclient, it sends out requests but doesn't seem to receive a response, I've watched it using wireshark and compared it to another nic that is working. The DHCP Discover is being sent but not the DHCP Request
[07:21] <yeason> so does anybody have any suggestions/ideas/questions regarding my issue getting an ip address...?
[07:23] <error404notfound> yeason: is your eth been detected?
[07:23] <error404notfound> check dmesg for any errors regarding that interface..
[07:23] <error404notfound> is the cable okay? and connected both ways?
[07:23] <error404notfound> try setting up an ip manually..
[07:41] <les> ;36;40mtestm
[08:24] <yannick__> hello channel
[08:29] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[09:16] <BUGabundo_> guud morning
[09:24] <tpfennig> ummm apport takes more than 15 minutes to gather data? seriously?
[09:25] <tpfennig> or is it scannng my whole disk? ;-)
[09:26] <BUGabundo_> tpfennig: i report so many bugs, and never took me that much!
[09:26] <tpfennig> hm
[09:26] <BUGabundo_> tpfennig: ao big is the crash file on /var/crash ?
[09:26] <BUGabundo_> $ ls -lah /var/crash/
[09:27] <tpfennig> -rw-------  1 vinci     vinci      51K 2009-04-07 10:17 _usr_bin_jokosher.1000.crash
[09:27] <tpfennig> not so much
[09:27] <tpfennig> shall i press Cacnel?
[09:27] <tpfennig> Cancel
[09:28] <ActionParsnip> !paste
[09:29] <tpfennig> I do
[09:45] <Andy80> hi all
[09:46] <BUGabundo_> Andy80: hi
[09:47] <Andy80> I've installed Jaunty, and I think there's a strange behaviour of Gnome Applets. In particular, even deselecting the "Lock to panel" option in all of the, I cannot move some of them.. for example the calendar. But... I think a screenshot is better than 1000 words :) http://img26.imageshack.us/my.php?image=panelgnome.png
[09:47] <Andy80> I really cannot move the calendar applet to the upper right corner...
[09:48] <jonaskoelker> Hi all.  My 2.1 GHz box runs at 800 MHz (according to conky), yet I'm using 100% CPU --- and would thus expect cpufreqd to scale up the CPU speed.  How do I run at max speed (i.e. 2.1 GHz)?  How do I find out what's wrong?
[09:48] <BUGabundo_> Andy80: have u tried moving it, pressing your mouse scroll?
[09:49] <jonaskoelker> "cpufreq-selector -f 2133000" seems to hang for a while (~minute), then die
[09:49] <BUGabundo_> jonaskoelker: prob the task is running with ionice
[09:49] <jonaskoelker> BUGabundo_: which task?
[09:49] <jonaskoelker> and how do I tell?
[09:49] <BUGabundo_> the one that is using 100% cpu
[09:49] <BUGabundo_> see the NICE value of it
[09:49] <jonaskoelker> is that firefox at 50% or Xorg at 40% that's using 100%? ;-)
[09:50] <Andy80> BUGabundo_: if I select the "Move" option, I can drag it to the left direction, moving mouse to left, but I cannot move it to right
[09:50] <BUGabundo_> either on taskman or $ top
[09:50] <jonaskoelker> buncha zeroes, them NICEs :)
[09:50] <BUGabundo_> Andy80: because all theother applets to the right of it, are LOCKed...
[09:50] <BUGabundo_> Andy80: so u cant "move" those to the left!
[09:51] <BUGabundo_> Andy80: unlock them, and then u can move that one to the place u want
[09:51]  * BUGabundo_ thinks applets should be positioned by NUMBERs... i did that viagconf
[09:51] <Andy80> BUGabundo_: look at the picture... they're not applet. They're emesene icon, skype icon, and NetworkManager Applet that DOESN'T have the "unlock" option
[09:52] <Andy80> BUGabundo_: sorry sorry!!! There was the "Notification Area" applet.
[09:53] <BUGabundo_> Andy80: those are inside an applet... search for it
[09:53] <Andy80> BUGabundo_: anyway too bad how it's designed...
[09:53] <BUGabundo_> yes , thats it
[09:53] <Andy80> :\
[09:53] <Andy80> a normal user will never understand how to do it
[09:53] <BUGabundo_> eheh
[09:53] <jonaskoelker> oh well, let me try the windows solution :D
[09:53] <BUGabundo_> it wont last long.. "we" are killing it
[09:54]  * BUGabundo_ tries ubuntuportable
[09:54] <Andy80> BUGabundo_: replacing with another applet?
[09:55] <dreamcoder> any networking liux experts in here? lol
[09:55] <dreamcoder> need help with this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1117994&highlight=ipv6+speed+usenet
[09:55] <saxin> Aint there Hardware Drivers in Jaunty?
[09:56] <saxin> Restricted Drivers maybe it was called
[09:56] <fyl0n> can someone here confirm that wpa and wifi of a 1000H asus is bugged?
[09:56] <dreamcoder> yes ther is
[09:56] <dreamcoder> is for nvidia anyway not sure about ati
[09:56] <jonaskoelker> yeah, there is... they may have gone away from the -restricted package naming scheme, though
[09:56] <jonaskoelker> I get compiz @ ati
[09:57] <saxin> dreamcoder: I'm on an upgrade from 8.10 and after the upgrade finished I cant find it anymore
[09:57] <jonaskoelker> (flash runs like crap, though)
[09:57] <saxin> My problems is that the nvidia driver may be broken
[09:57] <saxin> I use nv-driver now
[09:57] <dreamcoder> install flash 9 there is an install guide on softpedia.com for it if you are using x64
[09:57] <jonaskoelker> yay, the windows solution worked
[09:58] <ActionParsnip> dreamcoder: theres the 64bit adobe flash plugin .so file
[09:58] <dreamcoder> my nvidia works fine on mine, have you tried uninstaling nvidia drivers and nvidia-settings etc then reinstallin the new drivers?
[09:58] <saxin> I tried to complete remove all nvidia packages myself, and then try to reinstall them.. but it dont help... any suggestions?
[09:58] <dreamcoder> Ace|Work, yeah thats what i mean
[09:58] <Andy80> just a curiosity... at the moment I'm testing Jaunty on a secondary partition... my main system still has Intrepid. On the main system (that is on sdb and sdc) I've divided each disk in two partition (/ and /home) and they're in RAID mirror. Jaunty is on /dev/sda2 and it's not using any RAID disk at the moment. How can I mount my regular /home partition that is on /dev/sdb2 and /dev/sdc2 (I mean /dev/md1) so I can see
[09:58] <Andy80>  it from Jaunty?
[09:58] <dreamcoder> have you tried installing the nvidia drivers from there website?
[09:58] <jonaskoelker> dreamcoder: flash 9, that's flashplugin-nonfree, right?
[09:59] <dreamcoder> i didnt use the non-free i opted to install flash manually
[09:59] <saxin> dreamcoder: no I have not.. but why should I have to do that? it worked great in intrepid
[09:59] <jonaskoelker> dreamcoder: but it's the same code, right?  fp-nf just grabs it offa' adobe's web site, yes?
[10:00] <BUGabundo_> Andy80: maybe! read Mark's blog
[10:00] <dreamcoder> i only know from what i have done myself i aint no expert by a long shot
[10:01] <Andy80> BUGabundo_: what is the address?
[10:01] <dreamcoder> i had flashing problems with flash using non-free
[10:01] <dreamcoder> i dont know why :S
[10:01] <BUGabundo_> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/
[10:01] <jonaskoelker> hm
[10:01] <dreamcoder> so i installed manually and have no problems now
[10:01] <Andy80> oh sorry :)
[10:01]  * BUGabundo_ uses flash64bits
[10:01] <Andy80> THAT Mark :)
[10:01] <BUGabundo_> Andy80: ROFL!
[10:03] <Andy80> BUGabundo_: uhm... I searched for "RAID" but there isn't any post about RAID...
[10:03] <Andy80> BUGabundo_: ohhh sorry...
[10:03] <Andy80> BUGabundo_: you were talking about another subject :P
[10:04] <Andy80> BUGabundo_: I was already talking about RAID, not the new applet ;)
[10:04] <Andy80> LOL :)
[10:05] <jonaskoelker> I can't help but think that the release betas are horribly unstable and break a lot of things; debian testing and unstable seem more stable, which is surprising given that ubuntu takes debian unstable and stabilizes it... does anyone else see this the same way?
[10:05] <dreamcoder> anyone else noticed a speed decrease with downloads using jaunty>? i have gone from a 20mbit/s to 5
[10:05] <dreamcoder> lol
[10:05] <Eld> Does any one have trouble with plasma eating 100% of one cpu core ? I don't see anything about that on the feedback page.
[10:05] <dreamcoder> i have had no problem ELd have you reported a bug
[10:05] <ActionParsnip> dreamcoder: all's well here, what app doing the downloading?
[10:06] <dreamcoder> i have tried SABnzbd and also alt.binz
[10:06] <Eld> I should check if it is caused by a particular widget first
[10:06] <BUGabundo_> dreamcoder: i've seen some users mentiong that !
[10:06] <BUGabundo_> jonaskoelker: we will get there... eventually
[10:06] <BUGabundo_> around mid koala cycle
[10:06] <dreamcoder> also when i am downloading on main pc now it eats all the bandwidth so my laptop is so slow its not worth using
[10:06] <ActionParsnip> dreamcoder: what app are ou using to download with?
[10:07] <ryan8403_laptop> Hi, trying to install 64-bit and i'm getting grub error 15  on reboot
[10:07] <ActionParsnip> dreamcoder: if you configure QoS in your router you can alleiviate that
[10:07] <dreamcoder> ActionParsnip, i have tried sabnzbd and also alt.binz both do the same
[10:07] <dreamcoder> i had no problems with intrepid and windows though only jaunty :S
[10:08] <ActionParsnip> dreamcoder: all i can suggest is try a different app, or review configs
[10:08] <ryan8403_laptop> i am able to boot to the live cd without any issues
[10:08] <ActionParsnip> dreamcoder: different OS = different quirks
[10:08] <jonaskoelker> BUGabundo_: right... so one should always be half a release behind the schedule?
[10:08] <dreamcoder> ther is someone else with the same problem as me on ubuntu forums but no replies to either of us yet
[10:09] <ryan8403_laptop> i've also updated by chrooting into the installed system and running apt-get update & upgrade to no affect
[10:09] <BUGabundo_> jonaskoelker: i always find alpha1-alpha5 more stable! LOL
[10:09] <jonaskoelker> but if a stabilized unstable is *less* stable than the raw unstable, why not just stick a brown logo on unstable and call it a release?  ;-)
[10:09] <jonaskoelker> wtf
[10:10] <dreamcoder> wow jonaskoelker baffling lol
[10:10] <Eld> weird, I removed the widgets in my background, plasma cpu usage went normal
[10:10] <Eld> then I add them again
[10:10] <Eld> and it remains ok
[10:10] <dreamcoder> theres your problem Eld
[10:11] <dreamcoder> :)
[10:11] <Eld> doesn't explain though
[10:11] <Eld> there still was something broken
[10:12] <jonaskoelker> I think the *real* fix is to wink-wink-nudge-nudge-encourage more people to use the unstable code in production environments (i.e. their home desktop workstation), and get more debugging time...
[10:13] <dreamcoder> like me have both jaunty on my laptop and main pc
[10:14] <dreamcoder> and now suffering because my downloads are acting as if i am on 5mb instead of 20mb lol
[10:14] <dreamcoder> nevermind
[10:14] <pitwalker> I think DVD playback in totem is not fixed yet, I cannot play a film from Tom Cruise.
[10:14] <jonaskoelker> dreamcoder: aww :(
[10:15] <jonaskoelker> dreamcoder: does /proc/sys/internet_speed_reduction_factor say "4"? ;-)
[10:16] <fyl0n> can someone here confirm that wpa and wifi of a 1000H asus is bugged?
[10:17] <Eld> plasma is back to 100% cpu -_-
[10:17] <dreamcoder> no it says there is no such file or command :S
[10:17] <dreamcoder> lol
[10:17] <dreamcoder> strange lol
[10:17] <dreamcoder> hah
[10:17] <jonaskoelker> there's a hidden microphone in your 802.11 card? ;-)
[10:18] <ActionParsnip> fyl0n: depends on the chip of your wifi card
[10:18] <LinuxRevolution> hi all
[10:18] <dreamcoder> hi
[10:18] <tpfennig> btw. I found that all gnome games with network option do crash when i use that.
[10:18] <LinuxRevolution> I cant see any update notify on my panel do you know why?
[10:19] <Eld> removed all in the background, back to normal (the taskbar and all the widgets in it are still there though)
[10:19] <TychoQuad> LinuxRevolution, have you got an app open that uses it? (like pidgin?)
[10:19] <mnemo> LinuxRevolution: update-notifier will only notify you every 2 days on the pre-release branch and every 2 weeks on stable
[10:19] <fyl0n> ActionParsnip: RT2860
[10:19] <LinuxRevolution> mnemo: I've set it on daily
[10:19] <rconan> mnemo: 2 weeks seems like a long time
[10:20] <timing> hey, i just booted the live disk and i was able to chose the ati binary driver from the hardware drivers application
[10:20] <ryan8403_laptop> I'm unable to boot and get a grub 15 error after install
[10:20] <LinuxRevolution> TychoQuad: yes pidgin is there
[10:20] <timing> but now i installed ubuntu and the ati drivre is not listed anymore
[10:20] <ActionParsnip> fyl0n: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/210725
[10:21] <mnemo> this issue has been discussed in-depth on the ubuntu-devel and ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing lists, check there if you want to read all the pro/con arguments of not popping up the notifier more often than 2 weeks
[10:21] <TychoQuad> LinuxRevolution, sorry, got confused with the indicator applet
[10:21] <ActionParsnip> fyl0n: could disable wpa for now and use WEP + other secuity measures, or use wired
[10:21] <LinuxRevolution> :-/
[10:21] <ActionParsnip> fyl0n: could try the .29 kernel
[10:23] <LinuxRevolution> TychoQuad: now there are some packs for updating but I cant see notifier
[10:23] <timing> did someone read my messages 20 lines up :-) ?
[10:23] <aapzak> hi all, any intel X3100 users here?
[10:24] <TychoQuad> LinuxRevolution, sorry, you mentioned an applet, i thought you were talking about the indicator one. i don't know anything about the changes made to system update
[10:24] <jonaskoelker> aapzak: maybe, let's *all* say whether we use it or not, at the same time :P
[10:24] <mnemo> aapzak: what's the issue?
[10:24] <LinuxRevolution> TychoQuad: thank u mate
[10:25] <aapzak> jonaskoelker: :)
[10:25] <ryan8403_laptop> timing, seems we have difficult questions
[10:25] <aapzak> mnemo: I have performance issues
[10:25] <mnemo> aapzak: its not just 965, its almost all of the intel chipsets
[10:25] <mnemo> aapzak: UXA runs fast but is not stable enough to ship as the default yet
[10:26] <aapzak> mnemo: yesterday I installed kde4.2.2 on my very old T41 with MobRadeon7200, it ran so much better than kubuntu 9.04 that I just could not believe it
[10:26] <aapzak> mnemo: that was what I wanted to know :)
[10:26] <mnemo> yes, it's a known issue for sure
[10:27] <mnemo> aapzak: if you'
[10:27] <mnemo> 're into hacking on the kernel you might want to try modifying it to spoof as a non-GEM kernel
[10:27] <aapzak> mnemo: its keeping me from installing KDE. I was convinced KDE was not good enough, it turns out my x3100 is the one
[10:27] <timing> ryan8403_laptop: yeah gues so?
[10:28] <aapzak> mnemo: hmmm, I don't think I will do that, I choose (k)ubuntu mainly because I don't feel like hacking my system anymore
[10:28] <aapzak> mnemo: I used to run gentoo but got tired of the maintanance
[10:28] <mnemo> aapzak: one easy workaround to try is to see if UXA is stable enough on your chipset
[10:29] <mnemo> just add "Option          "AccelMethod"           "UXA"
[10:29] <mnemo> to the Device section of xorg.conf
[10:29] <mnemo> but ofc you might not want to do that either, its nice to be on default config
[10:29] <aapzak> mnemo: thanks, I might try that tonight, after work :)
[10:30] <ryan8403_laptop> timing, well thats what it seems anyway.
[10:31] <aapzak> mnemo: I'm willing to do a little configging for the sake of performance :)
[10:31] <ryan8403_laptop> again, anyone, i'm getting a grub 15 boot error on jaunty 64bit i can boot the livecd without issue and its 64bit capable system
[10:31] <ryan8403_laptop> at least according to 'cat /proc/cpuinfo/
[10:33] <rconan> ryan8403_laptop: have you tried booting the livecd and reinstalling grub? also check that the device.map is right
[10:35] <ryan8403_laptop> rconan, yes am actually in the process of doing that right now
[10:35] <ryan8403_laptop> haven't had any luck
[10:36] <rconan> ryan8403_laptop: are you getting the error before the menu comes up or once you select an item (or it goes to default)
[10:36] <ryan8403_laptop> rconan before the menu comes up
[10:37] <ryan8403_laptop> gets to 1.5 loading then errors out
[10:37] <rconan> ok... what format is your partition? does the appropriate stage 1.5 file exist?
[10:38] <aapzak> error 15 is a file not found error, so partition is not readable or you're not pointing at the right partition/file
[10:38] <fyl0n> ActionParsnip: wHERE can I find .29 kernel?
[10:39] <ryan8403_laptop> right. it is formatted as ext4
[10:39] <seven> hmm the applications in X don't want to play any sound anymore, though when I start a console in X, and use the mpg123 program to play something, it goes flawlessly, suggestions?
[10:40] <ActionParsnip> fyl0n: i had it a while back
[10:40] <aapzak> ryan8403_laptop: is grub compatible with ext4?
[10:41] <rconan> the current versions in the repo are... it might be that the stage1_5 at install time wasn't
[10:41] <fyl0n> ActionParsnip: from a repositoiry?
[10:41] <ryan8403_laptop> aapzak, i would assume so if 9.04 supports it out of box.
[10:41] <ryan8403_laptop> cd was just downloaded and burnt
[10:41] <rconan> ryan8403_laptop: the beta?
[10:41] <ryan8403_laptop> rconan yes
[10:42] <rconan> that should support it
[10:42] <fyl0n> ActionParsnip: I gotta go.. my cat is in labour :)
[10:42] <rconan> ryan8403_laptop: did you say you were trying reinstalling grub from livecd/chroot?
[10:42] <ryan8403_laptop> possibly creating separate boot partition formatted with something like ext2 as a possible workaround to what ever problem?
[10:43] <ryan8403_laptop> yes, had installed fresh 9.04 system w/ ext4 file system for root
[10:43] <ryan8403_laptop> kept getting grub 15, googled for a bit and came up with chrooting from live cd
[10:44] <ryan8403_laptop> and updateing /grub updating
[10:44] <rconan> ryan8403_laptop: if you're in chroot you could also try upgrading grub to see if there have been any updates
[10:44] <ryan8403_laptop> ie update-grub or apt-get update & upgrade
[10:45] <|ns|nR8> 9.04 beta coming along nicely
[10:45] <|ns|nR8> seems fairly bug free now
[10:46] <rconan> |ns|nR8: alright for some...
[10:46] <|ns|nR8> the updates are essential
[10:46] <|ns|nR8> beta from the cd is pretty crap
[10:48] <rconan> |ns|nR8: I have loads of issues even after updates...
[10:48] <|ns|nR8> oh really
[10:48] <|ns|nR8> i was having issues up till updates from a couple days ago
[10:49] <|ns|nR8> fixed all my issues
[10:49] <rconan> |ns|nR8: looking much better than it was a week ago actually... https://bugs.launchpad.net/~richard-connon/
[10:50] <|ns|nR8> im using it as my main os now, i cant fault it
[10:50] <rconan> just some fairly major bugs left... notably 38131 (sometimes makes firefox unusuable) and 353098 (makes half of the logons unusuable)
[10:51] <kholerabbi> is there a Jaunty update to the DarkRoom theme?
[10:54] <dreamcoder> the topic doesnt make sense, it says  Jaunty is NOT RELEASED and NOT SUPPORTED. | Upgrades from Ubuntu 8.10 Intrepid are supported again. :S
[10:54] <ikonia> dreamcoder: it does
[10:55] <dreamcoder> so it either is supported or isnt lol
[10:55] <ikonia> dreamcoder: the OS is not released, nor is it supported, however the upgrade processes is again supported
[10:55] <dreamcoder> ahh
[10:55] <dreamcoder> i see the meaning now
[10:55] <dreamcoder> had to re-read it a few times
[10:55] <DrMrHorse> how can it break your system?
[10:55] <rconan> DrMrHorse: every possible way :p
[10:56] <ikonia> DrMrHorse: unstable updates etc etc
[10:56] <DrMrHorse> f'rinstane?
[10:56] <ActionParsnip> DrMrHorse: in any way software can, no boot, weird app behavior, bad drivers not making hard ware work
[10:56] <technologiclee> dreamcoder from #ubuntu suggested I ask my questions about third party software installation here, would that be appropriate?
[10:56] <rconan> DrMrHorse: the point is there are issues that we don't know about yet
[10:56] <DrMrHorse> so if its on its own partition it should be ok
[10:56] <ActionParsnip> dreamcoder: in a nutshell, we can get you to jaunty but once there yuo are on your own
[10:56] <DrMrHorse> like, it wont fry the other partitions or mess with their config unless i do it
[10:56] <rconan> DrMrHorse: yeah... it's not gonna destroy any hardware
[10:56] <ikonia> technologiclee: what version of ubuntu are you using ?
[10:56] <dreamcoder> yeah i get it lol
[10:57] <DrMrHorse> it will only destroy the hardware if it frustrates me enough to physically break it
[10:57] <technologiclee> upgraded to 9.04
[10:57] <dreamcoder> what software
[10:58] <dreamcoder> technologiclee, what software are you trying to install?
[10:58] <technologiclee> Nanoengineer-1  Open Source, listed at sourceforge http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7027960#post7027960
[10:58] <DrMrHorse> so far jaunty boots awesome, runs well, so far so good with ext4
[10:59] <technologiclee> https://sourceforge.net/projects/nanoengineer-1/     http://nanoengineer-1.com/content/
[10:59] <technologiclee> there are a host of dependencies, including obsolete packages,  i've been on this for months
[11:00] <ikonia> technologiclee: I suggest you log a request to have this made into a package
[11:00] <ikonia> technologiclee: your macking a real mess of things in that ubuntu thread and your likley to get into a real mess unless you %101 understand what you're doing
[11:00] <technologiclee> at Ubuntu forums?    if so how?
[11:01] <ikonia> technologiclee: no, on launchpad.net
[11:01] <technologiclee> i don't understand - i'm just learing terminal!    i have asked anyone i could find in charge
[11:01] <technologiclee> ok thanks
[11:01] <ikonia> technologiclee: ubuntuforums is a forum, not a bug tracking/feature/request tool so launchpad.net is the official site to log a request on
[11:01] <ikonia> technologiclee: if you are just learning - do not continue down your current path,
[11:02] <technologiclee> i have to make progress  - i need this for my career
[11:02] <ikonia> technologiclee: then use a platform it runs on if it's that important
[11:03] <technologiclee> windows would never recognize my 8Gb RAM - i got this machine to crunch models
[11:04] <ikonia> technologiclee: I suggest you speak to an IT support vendor about setting this up for you on a supported platform as windows WILL see 8GB of ram
[11:04] <rconan> technologiclee: windows has a 64-bit version too
[11:04] <|ns|nR8> 64bit windows will
[11:04] <BUGabundo_> if it is 64 bits
[11:04] <|ns|nR8> just like you would need 64bit linux
[11:04] <BUGabundo_> or use PAE
[11:04] <dreamcoder> that software he is talking about only uses windows 32 it says :S
[11:04] <BUGabundo_> ROFL
[11:04] <BUGabundo_> bad software then
[11:05] <ikonia> dreamcoder: as I said - contact an IT support vendor to get it setup properly
[11:05] <BUGabundo_> make a virtual box to run it
[11:05] <technologiclee> back to windows???    i just need some packages installed - other people can do it - i will follow the launchpad suggestion   thank you   i appreciate your help
[11:05] <ikonia> technologiclee: the launchpad response will not be a quick one
[11:06] <technologiclee> what kind of IT support vendor?
[11:06] <ikonia> technologiclee: you don't "just need some packages"
[11:06] <rconan> technologiclee: we could probably help you if we could actually see any information about the software
[11:06] <ikonia> technologiclee: there is more to it than just "some packages"
[11:06] <ikonia> technologiclee: I STRONGLY suggest you run it on a supported platform if it is important to you / your work
[11:07] <technologiclee> anyone can request an account at support@nanorex.com and download the source - it i knew what i was doing,  i could ask support better questions than i have
[11:08] <ikonia> technologiclee: no - as I said, this is a development OS - using it for work/important use is NOT a good idea
[11:08] <ikonia> building software you have no idea about is even less of a good idea
[11:08] <rconan> technologiclee: not worth the hassle for someone who's not trying to use it
[11:08] <technologiclee> was the comment about a virtual box to me? how would i do that - also i have tried the .exe in wine - it crashes
[11:09] <ikonia> technologiclee: forget it, use a supported/stable platform
[11:10] <BUGabundo_> technologiclee: maybe u can get better support with some one on #ubuntu-motu
[11:10] <ikonia> using it on an ustable development OS is still not a good idea
[11:10] <technologiclee> thanks people  ...   i have learned a great deal to get me this far !!   ok thanks   #ubuntu-motu
[11:10] <rconan> if you want to use ubuntu you should be using the stable release...
[11:11] <technologiclee> right - i tried it on mandriva 2008 - then mandriva stopped working
[11:11] <ikonia> technologiclee: ok - so a supported platform stopped working - does that not tell you something
[11:13] <technologiclee> oh - i've been using the nice audio features for recording  - i could dual boot ....    oh i don't know that 2008 was supported anyway - the last post was 2006 - but mandriva quit before i ever figured out root permissions and the %wheel    - there are more poeple like me out there that want to run nanoengineer in linux - i find them when i post
[11:15] <ikonia> technologiclee: pay a vendor - or even canonical
[11:15] <rconan> technologiclee: encourage the software developers to not require registration would be a good start too...
[11:15] <technologiclee> it said no #ubuntu-motu channel - is that correct?              what do you think canonical would charge?
[11:16] <ikonia> technologiclee: contact them and ask
[11:16] <ikonia> technologiclee: also contact the source code maintainers, they may offer comercial support
[11:19] <technologiclee> here are my notes if anyone is interested or missed it  - i will follow your suggestions   http://sites.google.com/site/nanoengineers/installing-nanoengineer1-v111-for-ubuntu-linux-804-hardy-heron
[11:29] <MartyMcFly> will i be able to update from 9.04BETA to 9.04FINAL easily?
[11:29] <BUGabundo_> MartyMcFly: of course. just run update-manager
[11:30] <Ienorand> MartyMcFly: If everything works as it should it will be done automaticallywith updates.
[11:30] <MartyMcFly> thanks
[11:30] <ubuntu> hi.. im having trouble getting OpenDX working in 9.04. It loads up fine but i cant add a component to the workspace. anyone else get this problem?
[11:30] <MartyMcFly> so my girlfriend will get 9.04 installed
[11:30] <ubuntu> i believe it works in 8.10
[11:30] <ubuntu> MartyMcFly: does she have a choice? :P
[11:31] <MartyMcFly> ubuntu: yes...between getting ubuntu or buying windows ;)
[11:32] <ubuntu> what if she downloads windows or gets it from her nerdy friend?
[11:32] <rconan> then she is quite silly?
[11:33] <rconan> although for your girlfriend you might want to consider the supported release? (ie. 8.10)
[11:33] <ubuntu> why give her old tech to show off an emergent desktop distro
[11:33] <ubuntu> for example the KDE4 in 9.04 rocks compared to the unusable one in 8.10
[11:33] <rconan> because she's probably more bothered about it just working that being flashy
[11:34] <ubuntu> you don't know girls rconan
[11:34] <ubuntu> looks over functionality
[11:34] <rconan> the ones I know are more bothered about their computer working
[11:34] <Ienorand> rconan: Why would she be less tech savvy? Aren't we being a bit predjudice here...
[11:34] <rconan> Ienorand: I was making the assumption because he is installing it for her...
[11:35] <rconan> Ienorand: I'll admit it was a possibly unfair assumption
[11:35]  * rconan has learned not to dig that hole too deep...
[11:36] <Ienorand> I was kinda half-joking but anyway :(
[11:36] <Ienorand> oo, :)
[11:36] <ubuntu> anyway in my experience it's always the guys who dont care what they are looking at, as long as it works. the girls want pretty stuff and don't need many features. tho, i guess there's a lot of in between and it depends on your environment (if you're an IT student, most the girls will be like you)
[11:37] <rconan> I'm a CS student but I don't know many girls who study CS
[11:37] <rconan> most of the girls I know are the ones who ask me for computer help :p
[11:37] <rconan> anyway...
[11:37] <rconan> !ot | rconan
[11:38] <ActionParsnip> ubuntu: i use it because I like an easy life
[11:38] <MartyMcFly> i'm thining more about the wine-Version....she want's to play Need for Speed Underground2....if this doesn't work, it would be a big mallus for her ;)
[11:38] <ActionParsnip> ubuntu: i work with computers so if i can make my own computer simple then I'm gold
[11:38] <ActionParsnip> !appdb | MartyMcFly
[11:38] <rconan> MartyMcFly: isn't the wine version in intrepid and jaunty the same?
[11:39] <BUGabundo_> rconan: CS ?
[11:39] <BUGabundo_> ah comuter cience
[11:39] <ActionParsnip> MartyMcFly: also depends which NFS, there are many
[11:39] <ubuntu> i have played NFS on wine before but don't know which version it was
[11:39]  * BUGabundo_ needs to harm up fingers
[11:39] <rconan> MartyMcFly: if you need a version more recent than their stable release then you should use the winehq ubuntu repos
[11:39] <ActionParsnip> MartyMcFly: make sure you use the wine off the wine repos
[11:39] <rconan> BUGabundo_: Computer Science...
[11:39] <BUGabundo_> !info wine
[11:39] <rconan> BUGabundo_: nice typo...
[11:39] <ubuntu> i think it was underground #1 i played on wine, not #2
[11:40] <BUGabundo_> !info hardy wine
[11:40] <rconan> !info wine hardy
[11:40] <BUGabundo_> !package !hardy wine
[11:40] <ikonia> what are you doing ?
[11:40] <ubuntu> wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6
[11:40] <BUGabundo_> humm
[11:40] <BUGabundo_> ikonia: was that me ?
[11:40] <ikonia> yes
[11:41] <BUGabundo_> sorry
[11:41] <BUGabundo_> what did i do wrong?
[11:41]  * |ns|nR8 blinks
[11:41] <ikonia> how many times - this is a 9.04 discussion channel, not play with the bot flood the channel
[11:41] <BUGabundo_> just trying to reply to ActionParsnip
[11:41] <Ienorand> ikonia: Theikonia y were helping out...
[11:41] <ikonia> what with 3 massive bots
[11:41] <ikonia> use the pm system
[11:42] <ikonia> redirect !botabuse > BUGabundo_
[11:42] <BUGabundo_> ok
[11:42] <BUGabundo_> need to learn that
[11:42] <ActionParsnip> ikonia: the bots not much fun tbh, tuxracer is lots more fun
[11:43] <ikonia> gents please
[11:43] <ikonia> I'm not trying to be a jerk - but this channel needs a little more self control
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> ikonia: i'll lend a hand with my riot horse
[11:43] <ikonia> ActionParsnip: you're not helping....
[11:44] <ubuntu> can anyone sudo apt-get install dx on 9.04 and tell me if it works?
[11:44] <ikonia> please, I %100 understand how a topic can get dragged offtopic when helping someone out, try to bring it back
[11:45] <ActionParsnip> ubuntu: you dont, wine is an abstraction later for dx
[11:45] <ubuntu> by works i mean: can you add stuff to the worksheet
[11:45] <ubuntu> ActionParsnip: say what?!
[11:45] <ActionParsnip> ubuntu: you dont have to install it explicitly
[11:45] <ubuntu> im talking about OpenDX, a software package originally by IBM
[11:45] <ubuntu> for visualising data
[11:45] <ActionParsnip> !info opendx
[11:46] <ubuntu> it's just called dx
[11:46] <rconan> he just said... it's called dx
[11:46] <rconan> too late...
[11:46] <mnemo> ubuntu: install the "dx" package seems to work fine on jaunty --> http://pastebin.com/m328c4601
[11:46] <ActionParsnip> its been a long day
[11:46] <ubuntu> installing it works, but when you create a new project, i cant add any compoennts to a worksheet?
[11:46] <ubuntu> try clicking on a component on the left and then clicking on worksheet on right
[11:47] <rconan> bug 110404
[11:47] <rconan> ubuntu: ^
[11:47] <ubuntu> oo thx
[11:47] <ActionParsnip> nice one rconan
[11:47] <rconan> ubuntu: search launchpad for "dx" quick scan through results...
[11:47] <rconan> always a good plan
[11:48] <ActionParsnip> apt-cache search dx
[11:48] <ubuntu> oh gosh this bug is from last year!
[11:48] <ActionParsnip> maybe theres some extra tool that can help
[11:49] <mnemo> ubuntu: this program seems to be from the stoneage... i dont even understand how to use it... maybe you should use something more modern?
[11:49] <ubuntu> lol stoneage
[11:49] <ubuntu> i have to use it for my university subject
[11:49] <mnemo> ahh ;/
[11:49] <ubuntu> the bug is that you cant use it
[11:50] <ubuntu> and it looks like stoneage because of its toolkit: Motif
[11:50] <mnemo> i think im seeing the same thing as you... i mean I cant drag stuff into the canvas and nothing happens when I double click one of the tools etc
[11:50] <ubuntu> yeah :( i dont know how to fix it either
[11:50]  * rconan hates being forced to use old tools for university work
[11:51] <ubuntu> apparently if you edit the source code a bit, change a symbolic link and compile it with different optimisations it works. bug is a year old, would hope it is fixed by now
[11:51] <mnemo> ubuntu: submit a debdiff then?
[11:52] <ubuntu> im too lazy to perform that solution, let alone submit a debdiff.. gonna use a different distro
[11:52] <rconan> ubuntu: different distro is easier?!
[11:52] <ubuntu> yeah
[11:53] <rconan> ubuntu: people like you are the reason things never get fixed...
[11:53] <ubuntu> well im just using a live dvd. i run live dvd, change source list mirror to university (for all updates), and then install dx
[11:53] <ubuntu> takes like a minute
[11:53] <ubuntu> im not allowed to install linux here at uni
[11:54] <mnemo> haha I would change uni :)
[11:54] <rconan> fair I guess... I'm surprised you're allowed to run a live session on a computer which isn't yours...
[11:54] <Ienorand> ubuntu: install to usb stick, or liveusb, definitely snappier...
[11:54] <ubuntu> yeah i just reboot computer and choose boot from dvd :P
[11:54] <ubuntu> i tried usb and it ran slow as a dog cause my usb drive only goes at 4MB/s
[11:55] <rconan> ubuntu: that's a fairly large security vulnerability I'm sure
[11:55] <Ienorand> ubuntu: ah
[11:55] <ubuntu> probably
[11:55] <rconan> since you could modify whatever OS installation is on there as root in the live session
[11:55] <ubuntu> yeah, technically i can install linux if i wanted
[11:56] <rconan> exactly :p
[11:56] <Ienorand> Technically you could wipe the whole computer o_O
[11:56]  * rconan would do it
[11:56] <ubuntu> but when i come to uni the next day, they'd have had a IT guy around to see why the computer wasnt responding to their commands and find linux and then stick windows back on it and i'd lose all my work
[11:57] <ubuntu> does ubuntu 9.04 have live usb method where you can remove the usb after booting? like slax?
[11:58] <BUGabundo_> ubuntu AFAIK no
[11:58] <ubuntu> could turn all the machines here in to linux (without installing) n see the chaos ensue
[11:58] <BUGabundo_> i miss TORAM option at boot
[11:59] <ubuntu> no plans for that?
[11:59] <BUGabundo_> not when i asked on the devel mL
[11:59] <rconan> I'm sure if someone made it work it wouldn't be rejected...
[12:02] <rconan> hmm... any build systems people would recommend for a java project?
[12:03] <rconan> possible offtopic sorry...
[12:05] <popey> take it to -offtopic then?
[12:06] <BUGabundo_> lunch bbl
[12:21] <ibrar> How to install kscope in 9.04
[12:26] <gnomefreak> ibrar: we dont suppot that app uyou might want to try asking in #ubuntu-offtopic or look for a .deb on another site or compile it yourself
[12:28] <ActionParsnip> !info kscope jaunty
[12:28] <ibrar> Ok compiling
[12:28] <gnomefreak> ActionParsnip: we dont have it, try searching for it :)
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> is there a way to get firefox witout all this gnome rubbish?
[12:35] <ziroday`> ActionParsnip: eh?
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> install firefox on a kde system and you need 100Mb of stuff inluding a slew of gtk rubbish
[12:36] <ziroday`> ActionParsnip: oh, well in that case
[12:36] <ziroday`> ActionParsnip: try removing ubufox?
[12:37] <koperton> ActionParsnip: mmm i think no
[12:37] <ziroday`> firefox is designed for gnome
[12:37] <koperton> ActionParsnip: you can use opera 10
[12:37] <koperton> ActionParsnip: or opera 9.**
[12:38] <koperton> but i don't like close stuff
[12:38] <ziroday`> or arora
[12:38] <pitwalker> ziroday: firefox is designed for xfce
[12:38] <ubuntu> ActionParsnip: KDE4? rekonq
[12:38] <koperton> yes arora
[12:38] <ziroday`> pitwalker: err what?
[12:38] <ubuntu> rekonq or arora
[12:38] <koperton> rekonq webbie arora konqueror
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> koperton: i do, i'm just trying to get a slim system and ive been asked for a system with kde + firefox but i deplore this gnome dependancy, its ludicrous
[12:39] <ubuntu> why did someone ask for firefox?
[12:39] <ziroday`> pitwalker: I'm pretty certain that xfce lightweight ideals don't get on well with firefox
[12:39] <ziroday`> ActionParsnip: what gnome dependencies are they?
[12:39] <ubuntu> are you sure they really want firefox or just think they want it?
[12:39] <ziroday`> ActionParsnip: I would guess they were there for XUL to be able to accurately pretend to follow your GTK theme settings
[12:40] <koperton> ActionParsnip: actually you have to sucks with firefox xD and gnome stuff but with arora and rekonq and konqueror maybe a day....
[12:41] <pitwalker> ziroday: the openbox is the lightweight and w3m
[12:41] <ActionParsnip> ziroday`: i found a link: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/10/09/manually-installing-the-latest-firefox-in-kubuntu-a-cleaner-installation/
[12:42] <ziroday`> pitwalker: you are making no sense
[12:42] <ziroday`> ActionParsnip: oh sweet
[12:51] <frogonwheels> I'm running kubuntu 8.10 + kde 4.2 - am getting this in xorg.0.log: AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so: undefined symbol: _glapi_tls_Context)
[12:52] <frogonwheels> I've tried reinstalling all the xorg packages (first clearing thepackage cache)
[12:53] <frogonwheels> I believe it's a packaging issue (that one part is compilewith TLS, and another part without TLS).
[12:53] <koperton> frogonwheels: Here is for 9.04
[12:54] <frogonwheels> ah. my mistake.
[12:54] <frogonwheels> I'll stay on here for my mythbuntu 9.04 then :)
[12:54] <koperton> frogonwheels: mm i think it's bettere kubuntu 9.04 for my computer then
[12:54] <koperton> for me intrepid it wad ther worse release of ever
[12:54] <koperton> was
[12:56] <frogonwheels> koperton:  apart from no glx, I'm actually enjoying playing with kde4.2
[12:56] <koperton> frogonwheels: kde4.2.2 it's the best release , for me is the first kde for end user
[12:57] <koperton> actually kubuntu 9.04 for me it's nice just run that if you wanna play with kde4
[12:58] <ActionParsnip> koperton: works fine here too, although I have super compatible hardwrae for linux :)
[12:58] <koperton> i am a little sucking for this fucking atheros xD
[12:59] <koperton> every 2 days it goes
[12:59] <koperton> then no xD
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> koperton: Atheros AR5001X+ works perfectly out of the box since gutsy :)
[12:59] <koperton> ActionParsnip: you have luck !
[13:00] <ActionParsnip> koperton: no, i have intelligence to buy what is mega compatible
[13:00] <maxb> AR5007EG is really only just getting into good shape in Jaunty
[13:00] <koperton> i have atheros 5006 something
[13:00] <koperton> ActionParsnip: well i have bought this laptop 2 year ago...
[13:01] <koperton> when i was a vista fucked user
[13:01] <koperton> xD
[13:01] <ActionParsnip> koperton: i bought mine for a reseller selling linux preinstalled systems www.efficientpc.co.uk
[13:01] <maxb> Why do you keep saying "xD" ?
[13:02] <koperton> maxb:  it's like :D
[13:02] <koperton> ActionParsnip: well i am in italy man :)
[13:03] <ActionParsnip> koperton: but you can use it as a source of compatible H/W
[13:03] <koperton> yea that of course
[13:03] <koperton> but now i am too busy programmin kdenlive script
[13:03] <koperton> and fixing recordmydesktop
[13:04] <koperton> i will see after that website it could be usefull
[13:10] <lanoxx> http://pastebin.com/f7da3404d
[13:10] <lanoxx> i just got this message when i tried to upgrade
[13:12] <Ienorand> lanoxx: bad link
[13:12] <gnomefreak> lenios: try update and dist-upgrade again
[13:12] <lenios> oh thanks
[13:12] <lenios> :p
[13:12] <gnomefreak> Ienorand: it was right one Unknown post id, it may have expired or been deleted is the error
[13:12] <gnomefreak> lenios: or better yet use update-manager
[13:13] <lenios> i use aptitude
[13:13] <lenios> and i have no idea what you're talking about
[13:13] <gnomefreak> but when you say upgrade do you mean release or normal updates?
[13:13] <lenios> did i ask something?
[13:14] <gnomefreak> lenios: sorry wrong nick
[13:14] <gnomefreak> lanoxx how are you upgrading and is it release or normal updates
[13:14] <lenios> i got so much issues with jackalope though
[13:15] <lanoxx> gnomefreak, normal aptitude upgrade
[13:15] <lenios> the netbook remix, that is
[13:15] <gnomefreak> lenios: depending what they are im here for a few if you need a hand
[13:15] <lanoxx> wait i poste another link when the vm has rebootet
[13:15] <gnomefreak> lenios: good luck with that
[13:16] <gnomefreak> lanoxx ok
[13:17] <lanoxx> http://pastebin.com/f536da7aa
[13:17] <lanoxx> not sure if this can be ignored, just saw it while doing the update
[13:18] <Raylz> pulseaudio is a plague
[13:18] <gnomefreak> lanoxx did you try what it says to try?
[13:20] <lanoxx> gnomefreak, no, the upgrade continued and now its not even there so im not even sure if it actually failed but i found the warning kind of distracting so i wanted to ask
[13:21] <lanoxx> with not even there i mean that when i run upgrade again it doesnt show, does that mean it worked?
[13:22] <gnomefreak> lanoxx: oo.o-common is not installed?
[13:22] <gnomefreak> lanoxx: yes its all good at least it should be
[13:25] <lanoxx> gnomefreak, oo-common is installed but not oo-java-common
[13:25] <lanoxx> does that matter?
[13:26] <gnomefreak> shouldnt
[13:26] <gnomefreak> lanoxx: run OO.o and see if it helps
[13:26] <gnomefreak> s/helps/works
[13:27] <lanoxx> yeah works
[13:27] <lanoxx> strange though
[13:28] <lanoxx> anyway i have one more question does anyone here use skype? are there any complications with jaunty known?
[13:33] <lanoxx> !skype
[13:34] <lanoxx> does nobody use skype here?
[13:35] <ActionParsnip> lanoxx: skype is evil
[13:36] <deany> im far too antisocial
[13:36] <lanoxx> ActionParsnip, if skype does not work it would be a no go to switch to jaunty
[13:36] <lanoxx> i need it everyday to contact a lot of people
[13:36] <ActionParsnip> lanoxx: it does run, its just evil, its 32bit only afaik so you will need ia32libs installing too
[13:37] <lanoxx> ActionParsnip, well as long as it works and there are not so many issues with pulseaudio then its ok
[13:37] <lanoxx> right now with intrepid there are frequent troubles
[13:38] <ActionParsnip> lanoxx: you could install to a usb stick to test
[13:38] <lanoxx> hmm, i guess i could try that
[13:38] <Jason_CO> hi folks running a jaunty machine -- with kubuntu -- looking to share some files to a windows xp box on the home network -- i installed samba, however when i go to system settings and click sharing there is nothing there for file sharing -- please help
[13:39] <lanoxx> Jason_CO, in nautilus you can simply right click on a folder and click share, not sure about dolphin though
[13:39] <Jason_CO> ok
[13:40] <Jason_CO> when i right click and choose properties there is a sharing tab which i click configure sharing and give my password but nothing happens
[13:41] <ActionParsnip> Jason_CO: have you ran: sudo apt-get install samba
[13:41] <ActionParsnip> Jason_CO: just to check
[13:41] <derphilipp> 9.04 creates tons of "File Manager" processes on logging in (via gui). Hardware Spec: VMware Fusion
[13:41] <deany> when ive enabled sharing, its installed 2 files, one was libpam something
[13:41] <Jason_CO> ActionParsnip: yes -- also sudo smbpasswd -a
[13:42] <ActionParsnip> Jason_CO: you need to do: sudo smbpasswd -a <your user name here>
[13:42] <Jason_CO> yup did that --
[13:42] <ActionParsnip> Jason_CO: good
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> Jason_CO: i can give you my smb.conf if you like, the format is childishly simple
[13:43] <Jason_CO> please
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> Jason_CO: http://pastebin.com/f40b261c
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> Jason_CO: the bottom is all you need
[13:44] <Jason_CO> thank you
[13:44] <ActionParsnip> Jason_CO: the bit in brackets is the share name, the rest is self explanatory
[13:44] <ActionParsnip> Jason_CO: edit /etc/samba/smb.conf and add an entry like that at the bottom, then run: sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[13:44] <ActionParsnip> Jason_CO: job done
[13:45] <Jason_CO> all i need is the [Downloads] section?
[13:45] <ActionParsnip> Jason_CO: correct
[13:45] <Jason_CO> ok
[13:46] <ActionParsnip> Jason_CO: also search the file for socket options = TCP_NODELAY   and uncomment it, makes things faster
[13:47] <Jason_CO> ok
[13:49] <nikitis> I need help setting up rfcomm0 (bluetooth serial).  It doesnt seem to be working properly
[13:51] <nikitis> anyone?
[13:51] <webwolf_27> Hi guys. I just noticed that Opensync doesn't sync evolution with GPE completly. Data is always missing, and the todo list doesn't sync at all
[13:52] <nikitis> nobody on knows how to add rfcomm0?
[13:53] <shadeslayer> hi if i upgrade to beta all my settings will be lost right?
[13:54] <shadeslayer> keybindings etc, through the update-manager -d method
[13:54] <fosco_> shadeslayer: an upgrade will keep all your current settings
[13:54] <heatmzzr> how do you switch to the ext4 in jaunty????
[13:54] <shadeslayer> fosco_: keybindings too?? what if i want a clean install without a format?
[13:55] <fosco_> clean install without format? this is useless
[13:56] <shadeslayer> fosco_: hehe,well i just want new keybindings,the present ones detect my stop multimedia key as volume down
[13:56] <shadeslayer> heatmzzr: i think its under manual partition
[13:57] <Jason_CO> action -- its gotten to where i can see the folder but when i click on it in windows -- it says im not authorized to see it
[13:58] <webwolf_27> nikitis did you see this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=190639
[13:59] <shadeslayer> and how fast is ext4 compared to ext3? just a general boot comparision etc
[14:00] <fosco_> shadeslayer: it depends on the operation you test, some operations have similar timings
[14:00] <fosco_> other operations don't
[14:01] <shadeslayer> fosco_: i mean whats the general consensus,like,whether to wait it out or to upgrade? like i would definitely like a faster boot time
[14:01] <nikitis> webwolf_27, i did that to rfcomm.conf but its not working still
[14:01] <fosco_> shadeslayer: ext4 offers faster boot time
[14:02] <fosco_> in my system (just my system) from 45secs with ext3 to 33secs with ext4
[14:02] <shadeslayer> fosco_: and your opinions about those keybindings..... ?
[14:02] <fosco_> not sure about keybindings
[14:02]  * shadeslayer oogles at fosco_ 's system
[14:03] <nikitis> webwolf brb
[14:03] <shadeslayer> hmm ok,ill give 4 a spin then,back up all my data
[14:03] <shadeslayer> bye
[14:03] <fosco_> good luck
[14:03] <mxboy15u> what is the latest out there?
[14:03] <fosco_> latest what
[14:11] <deany> gonna wait for a vbox repo before i switch.
[14:12] <nikitis> yeah i need help setting up a bluetooth serial.  I think the fuction is broken.  but i could be doing it wrong.  I set up /etc/bluetooth/rfcomm.conf to have the mac address and channel of the device.  But it still doesnt show up
[14:14] <TychoQuad> is there an easy way to convert ext3 to ext4?
[14:14] <nikitis> anyone?
[14:15] <sirderigo_> TychoQuad, could you please send me your sources.list?
[14:16] <sebsebseb> TychoQuad: there is a way, but you only get limited Ext4 suppourt
[14:16] <JanC> TychoQuad: you can mount your ext3 partition as ext4  ;)
[14:16] <sebsebseb> TychoQuad: so your better off clean installing with real Ext4 partiitons
[14:17] <nikitis> hmm so nobody knows...
[14:17] <TychoQuad> so I can't upgrade to ext4 then?
[14:17] <sebsebseb> TychoQuad: not to full Ext4 no
[14:17] <TychoQuad> lame
[14:18] <sebsebseb> TychoQuad: well can Fat32 be upgraded to NTFS?  I think not?
[14:18] <TychoQuad> ummm, yes
[14:18] <deany> sebsebseb, actually it can
[14:18] <JanC> http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto#Converting_an_ext3_filesystem_to_ext4
[14:18] <sebsebseb> well both of htose file systemes aren't that good really
[14:18] <sebsebseb> so  not suprised Fat32 can be upgraded to NTFS :d
[14:19] <TychoQuad> not to mention ext2 could be upgraded to ext3
[14:19] <nikitis> Need expert help. Setting up a bluetooth serial.  I think the fuction is broken.  but i could be doing it wrong.  I set up /etc/bluetooth/rfcomm.conf to have the mac address and channel of the device.  But it still doesnt show up
[14:19] <deany> there is little difference with ext2-ext3 tho..  journal...
[14:19] <sebsebseb> well some people would be like, no Ext's are good,  ReiserFS for the win,  and some would be like XFS for the win
[14:19] <nikitis> deany ext2 saves disk space
[14:20] <deany> i know, by not having a journal
[14:20] <deany> lol
[14:20] <sebsebseb> apparnatly there's already an upgrade in the making for Ext4.   BTFS  I think it was called yeah
[14:20] <nikitis> deany, a must for netbooks with 8gb ssd
[14:21] <dooglus> hey sebsebseb
[14:21] <deany> nikitis, i have such a netbook :) and its ext3..  the savings are not that big to justify, for me
[14:21] <sebsebseb> dooglus: oh look who it is :D
[14:21] <nikitis> deany, 400 MB
[14:21] <sebsebseb> dooglus: :)
[14:21] <dooglus> I recently upgraded to the jaunty stuff
[14:21] <deany> , like i said..
[14:22] <sebsebseb> dooglus: clean install with Ext4?
[14:22] <nikitis> thats a ton on 8GB
[14:22] <dooglus> and now every time someone talks to me on pidgin their message appears on the screen on top of everything else
[14:22] <sebsebseb> dooglus: I guess not since you said upgrade
[14:22] <dooglus> sometimes it's embarrassing, and I'd rather that didn't happen
[14:22] <deany> the words, "for me" ring a bell
[14:22] <dooglus> is it turn-off-able?
[14:22] <sebsebseb> dooglus: is what turn off able?
[14:22] <nikitis> deany, 1/16 of your drive
[14:23] <deany> theres 4gig free space... for what its being used for, thats fine
[14:23] <dooglus> sebsebseb: the black box in the top right when running pidgin - it keeps popping up, like "bigtitmamma signed in", etc.
[14:23] <dooglus> I've tried explaining to the gf that that's my mum's handle, but she won't believe me
[14:23] <sebsebseb> dooglus: ha ha
[14:23] <nikitis> deany, know how to set up rfcomm0 in jaunty?
[14:23] <dooglus> so i'd rather it didn't do that
[14:23] <panaggio> after updating to jaunty beta and installing ati opensource drivers, my X broke, and I can't get it back
[14:24] <deany> nikitis, dont have any bluetooth device, never needed or used BT..  not using jaunty yet either, still not quite there for me
[14:24] <sebsebseb> dooglus: Pidgin works well for me
[14:24] <dooglus> maybe I need to ask in #pidgin or something
[14:24] <sebsebseb> dooglus: resoanblly well for Pidgin heh
[14:24] <dooglus> sebsebseb: it works for me too - I just don't want the 'toasts' or whatever you'd call them
[14:24] <sebsebseb> dooglus: not sure what your on about
[14:24] <nikitis> Anyone know how to set up a serial bluetooth connection in jaunty?  It doesnt seem to be working for me, even following instructions
[14:25] <TychoQuad> dooglus, try disabling the libnotify popups plugin
[14:25] <sebsebseb> dooglus: I thought you were forced to use Vista for now lol
[14:26] <deany> or disable the indicator applet
[14:27] <nikitis> where are all the jaunty experts?
[14:27] <TychoQuad> right here... y'see? noone knows!
[14:28] <nikitis> then they arent experts
[14:28] <Pici> !patience
[14:28] <nikitis> ;(
[14:28] <TychoQuad> nikitis, you are quite possibly the only person on the planet who has a serial bluetooth adapter. noone present has any idea.
[14:29] <acicula> nikitis: guessing something with hcitool and linking it somehow to a serial device?
[14:29] <nikitis> TychoQuad, ya'll dont connect your cell phones to your pc's?
[14:29] <acicula> what are you trying to do anyway
[14:29] <TychoQuad> not using a serial adapter. we have these modern things called usb
[14:29] <deany> i have a cable, cuz it, works
[14:29] <nikitis> acicula, i'm trying to hook my cell phone to bitpim, but bitpim requires a rfcomm port
[14:30] <acicula> TychoQuad: different thing
[14:30] <TychoQuad> ugh, yeah, your right
[14:30] <TychoQuad> i'm tired
[14:30] <acicula> TychoQuad: bluetooth sports a profile which involves that, has nothing to do with a physical null cable
[14:30] <nikitis> acicula, but in jauny, i have paired my device, and edited /etc/bluetooth/rfcomm.conf and added the bind to yes, set the mac address and the channel
[14:30] <TychoQuad> I think it's bed time for me
[14:31] <dooglus> sebsebseb: I installed 8.10 using wubi (ie. inside windows) and then upgraded to jaunty
[14:31] <nikitis> restarted bluetooth, but i cant figure out how to set the serial.  in the guide i read it said the next step was to check the serial connection box for the device, but i dont see one.
[14:31] <acicula> so what does rfcomm -a say?
[14:32] <dooglus> TychoQuad: I didn't enable any plugins, so ass-u-me'd there were none enabled.  Guess the installer enables them automatically
[14:32] <nikitis> acicula, nothing
[14:32] <acicula> is the phone paired properly, can you browse files on it etc?
[14:32] <nikitis> acicula, it said it found the device and i paired it with a 4 digit key
[14:32] <TychoQuad> dooglus, so that was it?
[14:32] <dooglus> TychoQuad: yup
[14:32] <nikitis> but i cannot browse it
[14:32] <dooglus> any idea what the nautilus integration plugin does exactly?
[14:32] <sebsebseb> dooglus: heh you done wubi lol
[14:33] <TychoQuad> good, that was just a wild guess, because I already had the thing installed before i upgraded to jaunty
[14:33] <sebsebseb> dooglus: Wubi is not really recommended for various reasons, and  I would have thought as the lead Synfig proggrammer and all, that you would know Wubi is a bit of a bad idea
[14:33] <dooglus> sebsebseb: there's nothing funny about wubi
[14:33] <dooglus> sebsebseb: it seemed the safest option.  I risk castration if I repartition and lose the contents of the hdd
[14:33] <deany> dooglus, sent to (pidgin user)
[14:33] <sebsebseb> dooglus: how about a virtual machine?
[14:33] <acicula> nikitis: dunno havent seen the guide, do you need to assign a com port on the phone too?
[14:34] <nikitis> acicula do not think so
[14:34] <imachine_> after recent hotkey-setup update, ThinkPad X40 stops working properly
[14:34] <dooglus> sebsebseb: I have very little RAM.  I don't think running 2 operating systems at once would be good
[14:34] <imachine_> no keys like brightness and volume generate acpi events
[14:34] <imachine_> fail
[14:35] <acicula> nikitis: tried rfcomm connect ? ( see man rfcomm)
[14:35] <imachine_> also I've been having problems with gnome keyring
[14:35] <imachine_> no passwords get remembered
[14:35] <imachine_> it blows
[14:35] <acicula> bye
[14:35] <sirderigo> cwillu, hi :D
[14:35] <schierbeck> it seems gnome-keyring-daemon fails to start on my jaunty beta box
[14:36] <acicula> nikitis: how do you know what serial should be assigned?
[14:36] <nikitis> acicula, hmm says RFCOMM Socket isdown
[14:37] <nikitis> acicula, i set the serial in rfcomm don
[14:37] <nikitis> acicula, dont i?
[14:37] <gnomefreak> schierbeck: i just filed a bug on that since its cauing gwibber to crash and gajim to report it not being set right
[14:37] <nikitis> rfcomm
[14:37] <nikitis> mt
[14:38] <schierbeck> gnomefreak: i have a custom gtk app that's fooked as well
[14:38] <schierbeck> is there a workaround?
[14:38] <acicula> nikitis: duno :/
[14:38] <gnomefreak> schierbeck: not yet
[14:38] <schierbeck> balls
[14:38] <gnomefreak> schierbeck: bug 356494
[14:40] <gnomefreak> its running here but its broke so yours might be different
[14:40] <gnomefreak> schierbeck: run this ps aux | grep gnome-keyring-deamon
[14:40] <gnomefreak> schierbeck: does it show up?
[14:41] <Pici> gnomefreak: I'm getting a similar problem.  It seems to take a while to crash, so I left it running from a terminal earlier.  I subscribed myself, I'll confirm when I see the output when I get back to my computer.
[14:42] <gnomefreak> Pici: yeah its a big issue but i couldnt find anything already filed agianst it but i'm going to see if i can find a work around
[14:42] <imachine_> schierbeck, the same here
[14:42] <imachine_> no gnome-keyring-daemon
[14:42] <imachine_> also, the keys are messed up now.
[14:42] <imachine_> damnations.
[14:43] <gnomefreak> its sad when it takes me to find it out :( since i dont nomrally find it first :)
[14:43] <nikitis> acicula, i'm such a retard......   my whole /etc/bluetooth/rfcomm.conf file was commented out......  Going to try it now.
[14:43] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[14:44] <acicula> nikitis: awesome :)
[14:46] <sirderigo> what do you think guys, should i build texlive?
[14:47] <acicula> lol no
[14:47] <gnomefreak> Pici: schierbeck whast version of gnome-settings-daemon do you have?
[14:47] <acicula> full texlive is +1gb or so?
[14:47] <gnomefreak> s/whast/what
[14:48] <mickep> I have an upgraded jaunty beta. My usb mouse does not work (worked for an hour or so). If I reconnect it, dmesg gives http://hurf.mine.nu/dmesg.txt . Any ideas?
[14:48] <schierbeck> gnomefreak: 2.26.0-0ubuntu2
[14:48] <Pici> gnomefreak: 2.26.0-0ubuntu3
[14:48] <schierbeck> i can see there's an update
[14:48] <gnomefreak> schierbeck: ubuntu4 was just pushed
[14:48] <gnomefreak> not just but it hit archives
[14:48] <gnomefreak> lets see if it help :)
[14:49] <schierbeck> i hope it does :)
[14:49]  * gnomefreak doubts it
[14:49] <nikitis> acicula, ok, rfcomm -a shows it.  But now in bitpim it sees the rfcomm port however, it says its inoperable and that permission of use is denied
[14:50] <acicula> nikitis: check the device permissions
[14:50] <nikitis> acicula, crw-rw---- 1 root root 216, 0 2009-04-07 09:44 /dev/rfcomm0
[14:50] <acicula> nikitis: either the permissions are to restrictive or you need to add yourself to whatever group is allowed to use the dev
[14:50] <gnomefreak> hmm
[14:51] <nikitis> acicula, ah so run bitpim as root
[14:51] <acicula> noooo
[14:51] <nikitis> oh...
[14:52] <ikonia> change the udev rules ?
[14:52] <ikonia> root:root seems quite restricted for a userspace device
[14:52] <sirderigo> well i have a very bad problem whit tex live, and i cant find another way to fix it
[14:52] <acicula> not sure where you can set the permissions so that they persist when they are recreated, but you can just use chmod to make it world readable/writable
[14:52] <acicula> ikonia: yeh
[14:52] <ikonia> change the udev rule that creates it to have a better group permissions, then put your user in that group, root:root does not seem a sensible option
[14:53] <nikitis> ikonia, not sure how to do that
[14:53] <ikonia> nikitis: /etc/udev/rules.d
[14:53] <ikonia> although, I'd query if the default group should be root - I suspect not, I wonder if it's worth discussing that with the udev maintainer
[14:56] <acicula> dunno, making the rfcomm0 device user read/write is the only way to use it though, dont think there are any programs that use it that are build to run as root
[14:56] <acicula> nikitis: look in /etc/udev/rules.d/40-basic-permissions.rules
[14:58] <acicula> KERNEL="rfcomm0" GROUP="users" ?
[15:00] <nikitis> acicula, i only have 70-persistent-cd.rules  70-persistent-net.rules  README files
[15:00] <mickep> sirderigo: just curious, what problems do you have with texlive?
[15:00] <sirderigo> http://pastebin.com/m66823a10
[15:01] <sirderigo> last week it tryed to update, and it cant, because have a broken dependence, them the gnome-menu only shows places and system but no one application...
[15:03] <sirderigo> and this is very cool, because i learn the name of all the applications i use.. but i am a little tired of using alt-f2 all day
[15:04] <acicula> err sec nikitis
[15:04] <mickep> sirderigo: what if you uninstall all texlive packages and reinstall them?
[15:05] <sirderigo> mickep i already do it, but it didnt work
[15:06] <acicula> nikitis: says it's part of the udev package, dunno if it changed for jaunty
[15:06] <mickep> sirderigo: and when you uninstall, did you "remove completely" (purge)?
[15:06] <sirderigo> yes
[15:08] <mickep> sirderigo: I just upgraded to jaunty, and it seems that texlive did upgrade ok (no errors). Know that does not help you, but...
[15:08] <nikitis> acicula, maybe it did
[15:08] <nikitis> acicula, or forgot to be added
[15:08] <canen> are the fglrx drivers available in any form for 9.04?
[15:08] <acicula> nikitis: well you can at least use chmod as root so you can get it to work
[15:08] <sirderigo> i am doing it again
[15:08] <nikitis> acicula, ok, bitpim now sees the port and can use it, however, now i
[15:09] <nikitis> acicula, now i cannot retrieve any info.  but it says its connected
[15:10] <acicula> to the rfcomm device yes, but i dont know anything about bitpim
[15:10] <acicula> havent even tried hooking up my phone
[15:11] <BluesKaj> hotkey setup fixed eh ...then why am i getting this error ?  E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[15:12] <BluesKaj> preceded by this: hotkey-setup
[15:15] <BluesKaj> i guess aptitude isn't quite up to date , apt-get upgrade solved the prob
[15:18] <zeltak2> Hi Guys
[15:18] <zeltak2> anyone else having video playback issues with jaunty (kubuntu)?
[15:18] <sirderigo> thats the fmutil log http://pastebin.com/m60b37100
[15:29] <antoranz> is there a way to know what ubuntu/debian release is on a box from a file?
[15:29] <antoranz> I saw /etc/debian_release but it only says "5.0"
[15:29] <Pici> antoranz: /etc/issue or /etc/lsb-release
[15:30] <antoranz> lsb-release looks cool!
[15:30] <antoranz> that works on "normal" distributions?
[15:31] <sirderigo> yes....
[15:31] <antoranz> ok, thanks!
[15:31] <Pici> antoranz: It works on all distros that aim to be lsb compliant.
[15:36]  * sirderigo are getting insane!!!! 
[15:37]  * Ienorand runs and hides, "madmen about!"
[15:40] <cjae> hello
[15:41] <cjae> how do I find my bug reports @ launchpad? cause they seem to not be there
[15:41] <Ienorand> hello, are you looking at the my bugs page?
[15:42] <Ienorand> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ienorand for example is my page...
[15:43] <cjae> I am not sure, because I thought you could just log in and then see all your bug reports
[15:44] <Ienorand> cjae: You log in then go to your profile, then click the bugs tab and they should be there
[15:44] <cjae> there are some from a short while ago and some from just recently, and some from as long back as a don't remember putting them up
[15:45] <cjae> but not the one of great importance
[15:45] <Ddorda> what is ubuntu 9.04 size after installation?
[15:45] <Ienorand> cjae: Of great importance as in what? prority?
[15:47] <Veinor> Notify-osd isn't automagically starting whenever something tries to send a notification
[15:47] <Ienorand> Ddorda: I have installed quite a lot of programs and such so I'm running on roundabout 6GB
[15:47] <cjae> Ienorand: ok you know if you want to dual boot and you install win first, and then you install ubuntu second it should be win = /dev/sda/ and lin = /dev/sdb right?
[15:47] <Veinor> Er, ok. Apparently it is starting, but not displaying notifications.
[15:48] <seradin> hi, I get an error regarding python 2.6 update when I try to update my intrepid system to jaunty. What can I do?
[15:48] <Ienorand> cjae: No, sda is the WHOLE harddisk, and sda1 sda2 etc. is the partitions, sdb may be your second harddisk or a usb drive
[15:49] <cjae> Ienorand: no I mean if you have two disks
[15:49]  * cjae sorry for not clearifying
[15:49] <Ddorda> and withou many programs installed?
[15:50] <Ienorand> cjae: Well that depands on what harddisk you are setting to boot from
[15:50] <seradin> this is the error I get when updating my intrepid -> jaunty: http://nopaste.org/p/aGATM0SCn  What can I do?
[15:51] <Ienorand> Ddorda: 4GB according to: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements and I think jaunty is about the same...
[15:51] <cjae> Ienorand: I could better explain this if I could find my bug report
[15:52] <panaggio> ati opensource driver broke my X. Xorg log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/146231/
[15:52] <seradin> Is this intrepid->jaunty update bug not know? should I fill a bug report?
[15:53] <Ienorand> seradin: Do a search on launchpad, I know there was some things about python... but that was some time ago and should probably be fixed by now...
[15:53] <panaggio> when I installed fglrx back, X didn't run
[15:54] <seradin> Ienorand: okay
[15:54] <panaggio> and it isn't runnig since then
[15:55] <panaggio> even vesa isn't runnig
[15:55] <Ienorand> panaggio: have you tried uninstalling the open driver?
[15:56] <panaggio> Ienorand, yes, i've purged it
[15:56] <Ddorda> Ienorand: thanks
[15:56] <cjae> Ienorand: I found it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/341601 please read it, cause this is still happening in jaunty and switching what boots in my bios is not a solution as it no longer gives you the grub loader for both oses and severely changes win 7
[16:00] <Ienorand> cjae: Like the dust proof-of-no-poking comment :) Anyhow, have you tried just installing the grub mbr to the "right" HD using manual partitioning settings?
[16:01] <mib_gs0syb> I upgraded to Jaunty. My Netbook touch screen is working! Now, how do I configure it?
[16:02] <cjae> Ienorand: it will take me a long time to respond due to me trying to word right so have patience please
[16:02] <Ienorand> cjae: No problem
[16:02] <mib_gs0syb> The x/y coordinates are not set up properly.
[16:06] <cjae> Ienorand: I just installed win 7 and kubuntu 9.04 with the desktop beta with my bios setup as optimzied defaults which is pata primary m/s then pata secondary m/s and then sata 0 and sata 1 I installed win 7 to /dev/sda/ and then kubuntu to /dev/sdb but in the graphical installer it will only let me install grub to (hd1) no matter what which make alot of things bad
[16:07] <cjae> Ienorand: win is on = pata (primary master)
[16:07] <cjae> Ienorand: and ubuntu is on = sata 0
[16:09] <cjae> and the only why to switch oses is to make sata 0 = ide (pata primary master and then you cannot boot window without switching back)
[16:09] <cjae> I weas going to try the alternate installer
[16:10] <panaggio> fglrx is installed right now (the log I've posted was the last one)
[16:10] <cjae> so I could manually install grub to (hd0)
[16:10] <YixilTesiphon> I cannot get jack server to start up
[16:10] <YixilTesiphon> everything is installed without apparent errors
[16:11] <Ienorand> cjae: If you want to you could try installing grub manaully using just the livecd, you should be able to start it using "sudo grub"
[16:12] <Ienorand> cjae: There is some info here which might be related: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=449643
[16:13] <YixilTesiphon> are there any known issues with jaunty and jack, or has anybody else had this problem?
[16:13] <Ienorand> YixilTesiphon: I've had troubles with it as well, no clue how to go about fixing it though...
[16:13] <mib_gs0syb> I upgraded to Jaunty. My Netbook touch screen is working! Now, how do I configure it?
[16:15] <cjae> Ienorand: ok thanks, can anyone bring this to someones attention as most dual booters are not going to know how to do this or will this just be looked at as switch you bios settings?
[16:20] <funkyHat> I've just run a backtrace for a pidgin crasher but I'm not sure about uploading it because it might contain passwords, is there an easy way to check?
[16:21] <funkyHat> (apart from searching the file for my password:P)
[16:27] <Veinor> I keep getting occasional screen flicker on my HP Pavilion laptop.
[16:27] <mib_gs0syb> My Netbook touch screen is working after upgrading! Now, how do I configure it?
[16:30] <Ienorand> mib_gs0syb: I don't know sorry... If you get no answers here try the forums, or report a bug is something is clearly wrong.
[16:30] <mib_gs0syb> No there's nothing wrong. The x/y coordinates are a little off.
[16:30] <mib_gs0syb> It's usable but not perfect.
[16:31] <mib_gs0syb> I'll try on the forum.
[16:44] <exco> just a quick question: Is bug reporting on launchpad not working atm?
[16:45] <Milos_SD> how can I enable RGBA support in Dust theme that is in Jaunty?
[16:46] <exco> 2nd: does savedefault (grub) work for anybody?
[16:46] <bardyr> Hey, i have a problem with jaunty alternative, i just downloaded the daily cd iso and used unetbootin to install it on a usb stick, but when i insert the usb stick and start the installation it says it cant mount the cdrom drive and i cant install jaunty, is this a known problem and is there any workarounds?
[16:48] <mbeierl> exco: savedefault works for me
[16:49] <Ienorand> bardyr: Don't you have to use the livecd for it to work with unetbootin?
[16:50] <bardyr> Ienorand, usually not
[16:50] <Shappie> Hi all, i have a little problem with my kubuntu 9.04 beta install. The fglrx driver wont work. As soon as i enable the driver my pc boots into recovery mode and as i reset the xorg.conf to the radeon driver everything works. (the radeonhd drivers dont work even. I have a HD3850 ATi card. Anybody an idea?
[16:51] <exco> thanks, mbeierl - must be my config then
[16:51] <Machtin> can i somehow log sftp-access of an user?
[16:52] <Shappie> Nobody works with kubuntu and fglrx driver?
[16:53] <QPid> Hi there, I just upgraded to Jaunty but the sound issue I had before is back (can't watch Youtube and listen to music at the same time) how do I fix thiS?
[16:53] <QPid> I'm not sure if it's because it reverted my pulseaudio files or not
[16:53] <YixilTesiphon> anybody know how to install just a winxp bottle on crossover?
[16:53] <YixilTesiphon> need to install something within it
[16:54] <topyli> what is an xp bottle?
[16:54] <YixilTesiphon> topyli: something crossover uses to convince programs they're running in windows
[16:55] <deany> anyone know why ekiga is being kept back during upgrades?
[16:55] <YixilTesiphon> I installed office xp, so it made a win98 bottle, but I need to install sibelius 5, which requires an xp bottle
[16:55] <Shappie> I also got a problem with the package hotkey-setup amd64. Is that just me or a problem in the beta?
[16:55] <topyli> deany: because it wants to remove packages and install others instead. use dist-upgrade
[16:56] <Ienorand> Shappie: which version were you trying to install?
[16:56] <deany> have,  ekiga is still kept back... its upgrading other files ok. just wanted to know about ekiga
[16:56] <Shappie> Ienorand: I have kubuntu 9.04 beta installed fully up to date
[16:56] <topyli> hmmm ekiga did upgrade for me
[16:57] <Ienorand> deany: You could start synaptics and upgrade it from there that removed and upgraded some packages for me which worked...
[16:57] <Shappie> Using the radeon opensource driver atm. Coz thats the only working driver for me (vesa does works either but that isnt a real driver...)
[16:58] <Shappie> The problem is i cant enable the fglrx driver in the Hardware Drivers program in the menu
[16:58] <Shappie> Coz if i do after a reboot it cant load the graphical stuff so i get in a terminal.
[16:58] <Ienorand> Shappie: I mean the hotkey-setup, tha latest is *ubuntu12, if it's trying to install *10 or *11 you will get errors.
[16:58] <topyli> deany: oh yes like Ienorand says, the update-manager doesn't do it. use sypnaptic or aptitude
[16:58] <deany> ive just removed ekiga, and done apt-get install ekiga, and its sayin its gonna install some new pkgs, and REMOVE some others.. maybe thats why
[16:59] <Ienorand> deany: Yea, there was something odd with that.
[17:00] <topyli> deany: yes that *is* why
[17:00] <topyli> deany: apt-get upgrade will not remove packages. only dist-upgrade does that
[17:00] <topyli> and install of course :)
[17:01] <deany> dist-upgrade never...
[17:01] <QPid> Anyone? I can't watch a Youtube video unless I close all sound applications then restart Firefox
[17:01] <cjae_> why is my harddrive access light always on?
[17:02] <cjae_> I am not paging/swapping
[17:02] <Ienorand> Shappie: if you try running sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx does it give any particular errors?
[17:03] <cjae_> rconan: how is your beta install doing?
[17:03] <Ienorand> QPid: I think pulseaudio is supposed to enable multiple sound sources, look for ways to restart/reinstall it?
[17:03] <Milos_SD> How can I enable RGBA support in Dust theme that is in Jaunty?
[17:04] <Machtin> can i somehow log sftp-access of an user?
[17:04] <Shappie> Ienorand: I will try ;)
[17:06] <QPid> Right, I will have to reboot then
[17:07] <Milos_SD> How can I enable RGBA support in Dust theme that is in Jaunty?
[17:07] <Shappie> Ienorand: No errors occured while installing xorg-driver-fglrx
[17:07] <Shappie> I will try a reboot to see what happens
[17:07] <Shappie> brb
[17:08] <Ienorand> Shappie: Look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log log for errors
[17:08] <Ienorand> Snap!
[17:10] <LordKow> gar videolan just bumped the schroedinger plugin min version to 1.0.6, therefore jaunty is already outdated before release.
[17:10] <sebsebseb> lol
[17:11] <eagles0513875> i ahve a question i have a .docx document that has graphs what can i use to open the document with the graph
[17:11] <eagles0513875> graphs
[17:11] <sebsebseb> LordKow: ah well to bad
[17:11] <eagles0513875> open office doesnt show all the graphs
[17:11] <sebsebseb> LordKow: new versions of Ubuntu are always behind some package or the other anyway
[17:11] <LordKow> "contrib: bump schroedinger and liboil versions" but WHY!
[17:11] <sebsebseb> LordKow: probably be a ppa for the thing you want anyway if it's so important
[17:11] <LordKow> if they bumped the min versions for no reasons i will go ahead and create a debian/patch to undo that.
[17:12] <LordKow> sebsebseb, vlc 1.0. i am the only ppa maintainer for it right now.
[17:12] <eagles0513875> anyone have any idea
[17:12] <sebsebseb> LordKow: oh right you are the PPA mainter
[17:12] <sebsebseb> LordKow: well in that case a PPA if you want to make one for the thing your on about :D
[17:12] <sebsebseb> maintainer above
[17:12] <LordKow> time to see the regression potential of upgrading schroedinger to 1.0.6
[17:13] <sebsebseb> LordKow: I like Banshee, but VLC is nice and popular as well, so  yeah good to have  recant PPA's of latest VLC, very latest
[17:13] <sebsebseb> I have a few players installed here,  nothing is perfect
[17:13] <sebsebseb> nothing is near perfect I should say
[17:15] <QPid> Ok I tried it to no avail
[17:15] <LordKow> hm there an option in launchpad of looking at all of the reverse deps for a particular package?
[17:16] <LordKow> i want to know how many and what packages depend on one
[17:16] <rconan> cjae: not too bad...
[17:16] <mvo> deany: the ekiga issue is being worked on, a fix should become available soonish
[17:17] <mvo> (that its not held-back anymore)
[17:17] <rconan> main thing which still annoys me is firefox eating all my CPU while on launchpad.net
[17:17] <LordKow> ugh! gstreamer does... EUW
[17:17] <LordKow> that already implies a potentially significant regression
[17:18] <LordKow> maybe not. it's a plugin for gstreamer. whatever we'll see how this goes.
[17:24] <cjae> rconan: is your hard disk access light always on
[17:29] <eagles0513875> that was weird
[17:29] <eagles0513875> has anyone else had it where they come to install koffice and it uninstalls kubuntu-desktop and some other packages
[17:35] <rconan> cjae: haven't looked... hard disk light is a long way away
[17:35] <rconan> and I'm not sure if it's attached
[17:35] <rconan> do you mean when firefox is playing up or generally?
[17:36] <eagles0513875> im having a weird issue
[17:36] <eagles0513875> im trying to install koffice and it isnt finding kformula as a dependency so koffice wont install
[17:36] <LordKow> heh to upgrade schroedinger to 1.0.6 i need to upgrade liboil to 0.3.16 this could go on a while
[17:37] <Picassotamus> can someone tell me what the version of pulseaudio in jaunty is/will be?
[17:37] <Tumie> i can't install the updates for amsn, amsn-data, ekiga ....
[17:38] <GiantTalkingCow> Quick question: are any of you using Jaunty on an aluminium Macbook Pro? (the unibody ones)
[17:38] <Tumie> Picassotamus: 0.9.14 i think
[17:38] <Picassotamus> Tumie: thank you
[17:39] <Tumie> Picassotamus: that is the version they used in the beta...
[17:39] <LordKow> pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu17
[17:39] <LordKow> that will be the version of jaunty final
[17:39] <LordKow> (not the ubuntu variant, but the upstream -- yes)
[17:40] <GiantTalkingCow> When is Jaunty due, by the way? April 26th or something?
[17:40] <sirderigo> im back, i killed my system and now its working!
[17:42] <Pici> GiantTalkingCow: 23rd
[17:42] <Picassotamus> LordKow: thanks, just hoping the version was > 0.9.11 :)
[17:42] <eagles0513875> hey Pici
[17:42] <eagles0513875> Picassotamus: i think i just ran into a rather interesting issue
[17:42] <eagles0513875> koffice is complaining about kformula dependency
[17:43] <eagles0513875> when i try to install it it instead remove kde adept etc
[17:44] <LordKow> Picassotamus, your hopes have been fulfilled ;)
[17:46] <Aizawa> Today when I logged in, my resolution couldn't be set higher than 1280*1024. Before I logged on I could set it to over 2000*xxxx. Just a few days ago, before I switched to jaunty (fresh install) I had the same problem in Intrepid. Can someone help me?
[17:49] <Machtin> can i somehow log sftp-access of an user?
[18:08] <kn1tt1> hi! any devs here? :D or anybody experiencing audioframes dropping in vlc?
[18:09] <kn1tt1> i think i found the solution to it, i wonder why nobody has thought of that
[18:09] <vishalrao> ?
[18:09] <ActionParsnip> kn1tt1: send it to the vlc team and/or log a bug with solution
[18:10] <kn1tt1> no sorry, false positive … sad :(
[18:10] <ActionParsnip> kn1tt1: keep punching
[18:11] <kn1tt1> hm … but it seems like it's working a bit bettert
[18:14] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: question for ya
[18:14] <ActionParsnip> sup eagles0513875
[18:14] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: have you tried to install koffice and it complain about kformula nas dependency and then when you try to install kformula it insteads remove adept jockey kdm etc basically the desktop
[18:15] <eagles0513875> that is what it is doing for me for some reason
[18:15] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: its not something i use
[18:16] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: you use oo3
[18:16] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: i use Abiword and thats it in that sort of way
[18:16] <eagles0513875> gotcha
[18:16]  * eagles0513875 thinks he will stick to latex
[18:16] <ActionParsnip> i have no need for a full oo install as I dont use hardly any of its functionality
[18:17] <eagles0513875> if i can get koffice installed i woudl dump oo
[18:17] <eagles0513875> slows down kubuntu
[18:17] <eagles0513875> that would be one major recommendation for the next release
[18:17] <eagles0513875> have koffice installed by default and who ever wants oo they can install it from repos
[18:19] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: doesnt slowe it if its not running
[18:20] <eagles0513875> for me i find that loading kde with open office installed its slower then without having oo installed
[18:20] <pteague> i realize jaunty isn't official yet... any idea how stable the current beta is? i'm getting ready to build a software raid5 & i've had issues upgrading major versions in the past & wanted to avoid that
[18:21] <ActionParsnip> pteague: runs great here, my hardware is super linux friendly though
[18:22] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: im suprised the same at how friendly mine has gotten since intrepid
[18:22] <eagles0513875> when i got it in gutsy days i couldnt install it only thing i could install on it was icky resouce hungyr open suse 10
[18:23] <pteague> k, i've not had any issues installing in the past, just the upgrading major versions seemed to change the drive UUIDs which caused problems with mdadm
[18:23] <porter1> Anyone else have the strange problem where application windows won't let go of control?
[18:24] <porter1> Like, everything crashes technically, but a certain element in an application still does
[18:28] <ActionParsnip> porter1: use ps -ef | grep <something> to find the remnants, you can then kill off whatever it is. I would then run: dmesg | tail   to help diagnose the issue
[18:29] <ActionParsnip> porter1: and log a bug with the app
[18:30] <porter1> ActionParsnip, but the problem is it doesn't seem to happen to a certain. It will happen to Firefox, Gedit, Evolution, etc.
[18:30] <porter1> And keystrokes fail, so I can't restart X, get to a console, etc.
[18:31] <ActionParsnip> porter1: i would ssh in from an external system to read logs
[18:32] <porter1> Ok, I'll look at the logs the next time it happens
[18:34] <ActionParsnip> porter1:  /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[18:36] <porter1> ActionParsnip, http://paste.ubuntu.com/146357/
[18:37] <ActionParsnip> porter1: wait for it to crash, then read it
[18:37] <porter1> Ok. I'll see what I can do. It usually happens randomly
[18:42] <Drachenblut> i'm trying to modify settings in gstreamer-settings on kubuntu 904 but it doesn't seem to maintain the setting after I close the window.  anyone know of a workaround?
[18:43] <yannick__> i have a problem, i don't have a bar by all windows
[18:44] <yannick__> can someone help me???
[18:44] <mnemo> yannick__: press ALT-F2 and open a terminal?
[18:51] <yannick__> i have a problem, i don't have a bar by all windows
[18:51] <yannick__> i have a problem, i don't have a bar by all windows
[18:51] <yannick__> can someone help me???
[18:51] <ActionParsnip> yannick__: do you mean with close, min, max etc
[18:52] <lilac> yannick__: that's not a real problem ;-) X segfaults on startup for me :-/
[18:53] <ActionParsnip> yannick__: you using an nvidia gfx card?
[18:53] <shadeslayer> hi,my ubunti install has gotten pretty messed up with my notebook having no OS,is it possible to do a 9.04 install over the internet?
[18:53] <mnemo> lilac: what graphics card do you have?
[18:53] <shadeslayer> *ubuntu
[18:53] <yannick__> a geforce 6600 GT
[18:53] <ActionParsnip> yannick__: geforce is an nvidia card
[18:54] <lilac> mnemo: ATi Mobility X1400
[18:54] <shadeslayer> im on a alpha CD i burned a few weeks ago
[18:54] <lilac> mnemo: bug 348553
[18:54] <jamalfanaian> shadeslayer, you could install the alpha, but i would recommend downloading the daily-live build
[18:55] <ActionParsnip> yannick__: if you PM me nce more I will block you
[18:55] <ActionParsnip> yannick__: read this: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=102528
[18:55] <shadeslayer> jamalfanaian: well the alpha is giving problems too,it doesnt install,it fails at a IO error
[18:55] <ActionParsnip> yannick__: if you read the xorg.conf you will see Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"   you need that in your xorg.conf
[18:57] <shadeslayer> jamalfanaian: so is there a way/installer for a net install?
[18:58] <jamalfanaian> shadeslayer, there is a way to install using TFTP, check the Ubuntu documentations for installation methods regarding that
[18:58] <shadeslayer> ok ill google that
[18:59] <yannick__> actionparsnip: i cant find this file
[18:59] <ActionParsnip> yannick__: gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[19:00] <imachine_> okay!
[19:01] <imachine_> it seems the gnome-keyring is fixed
[19:01] <imachine_> anyone else however having problems with X40 ThinkPad's sound keys and brightness keys?
[19:01] <imachine_> sound keys make no difference for sound mixer, whilst the brightness do change brightness, yet not show any system notification..
[19:02] <yannick__> he cant find the phrase
[19:03] <ActionParsnip> yannick__: if you run that file it will open and be editable
[19:03] <ActionParsnip> yannick__: run the command sorry
[19:04] <yannick__> i have do it
[19:04] <panaggio> this is my latest xorg.conf, the simplest xorg.conf one can have on ubuntu (I think) http://paste.ubuntu.com/146374/
[19:04] <panaggio> and my x is still broken with it
[19:05] <lilac> panaggio: broken how? also what graphics card?
[19:05] <panaggio> my xorg.0.log
[19:05] <panaggio> http://paste.ubuntu.com/146375/
[19:06] <panaggio> lilac, I have a Radeon Xpress 200M
[19:06] <panaggio> it's supported by fglrx
[19:06] <lilac> panaggio: you're not using fglrx.
[19:06] <lilac> also, in what way is it broken?
[19:06] <ActionParsnip> yannick__: after adding the line, save the file and close the editor, then hit ctrl+alt+backspace
[19:07] <panaggio> lilac, yes, now I'm trying to see some graphics
[19:07] <panaggio> lilac, whenever I run startx, I just see noise and the computer stops reponding (and I reboot =/)
[19:08] <yannick__> actionparsnip, can i write with you with pm??
[19:08] <lilac> panaggio: i suspect you have the same problem as me (or at least one of my problems)
[19:08] <lilac> panaggio: you're on kernel 2.6.28, right?
[19:08] <panaggio> lilac, yes
[19:08] <ActionParsnip> yannick__: sure
[19:08] <lilac> panaggio: try 2.6.27; it fixed some of my X woes
[19:09] <panaggio> i've tested it recently, but I don't remember if I was using this xorg.conf
[19:10] <lilac> panaggio: also, you need to explicitly say 'Driver "fglrx"' if you want to use that; it's using the radeon driver at the moment
[19:10] <panaggio> lilac,  rebooting now
[19:10] <panaggio> lilac, ok. I'll do that
[19:10] <lilac> although for me the fglrx driver didn't work /at all/ ("No screens found")
[19:13] <lilac> panaggio: sadly i didn't write down the steps i went through to get to a semi-working X, but I think i needed to remove all traces of fglrx (including fglrx-kernel-source so DKMS didn't pick it up) and use the radeon driver
[19:13] <panaggio> lilac, same problem: No screens found
[19:13] <lilac> panaggio: right, well it sounds like your symptoms exactly match mine at least
[19:14] <panaggio> lilac, yes
[19:14] <lilac> panaggio: as i recall, the X black screen hang (with some corruption near the top) was caused by having the fglrx kernel module loaded and using the radeon driver
[19:15] <ActionParsnip> !paste > yannick__
[19:15] <panaggio> my xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu.com/146384/
[19:15] <yannick__> ubottu ive seen it
[19:15] <panaggio> lilac, I have purged -ati and -radeon drivers
[19:15] <yannick__> what must i do there
[19:16] <Eruaran> Is anyone else getting system f
[19:16] <lilac> panaggio: any luck with that? i didn't try that option.
[19:16] <Eruaran> Is anyone else getting random system freezes ?
[19:16] <panaggio> my Xorg.0.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/146385/
[19:16] <lilac> Eruaran: in X? with compositing? on an ATI graphics card? with 2.6.28 kernel? yes :)
[19:16] <porter1> Eruaran, I guess technically I am
[19:17] <Eruaran> I don't know
[19:17] <lilac> panaggio: yep, exactly what i got
[19:17] <lilac> panaggio: try: sudo apt-get remove --purge xorg-driver-fglrx fglrx-kernel-source fglrx-modalias
[19:17] <Eruaran> My desktop freezes sometimes and I have to hard reboot
[19:17] <porter1> But I'm using gname compositing rather than compiz
[19:17] <porter1> gnome*
[19:17] <lilac> panaggio: then reinstall the radeon driver and reboot
[19:17] <Eruaran> I'm using nvidia
[19:17] <porter1> Same
[19:17] <Eruaran> compositing is kwin
[19:18] <yannick__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/146387/
[19:18] <lilac> Eruaran: i got freezes whenever kwallet would ask for my passphrase
[19:18] <porter1> It might be affecting all compositors
[19:18] <Eruaran> lilac: hmm I haven't had that particular issue
[19:18] <lilac> Eruaran: i think it's ati specific, but i'm not sure
[19:19] <Eruaran> cant be
[19:19] <Eruaran> I'm not using ati
[19:19] <lilac> Eruaran: it was 100% reproducible on 2.6.28 kernels and went away on 2.6.27 also
[19:19] <lilac> Eruaran: your problem and mine might well be different :)
[19:19] <Eruaran> so it might be a kernel issue ?
[19:19] <_unknown> hello
[19:20] <porter1> It's benn affecting every kernal I'v used so far
[19:20] <yannick__> ubottu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/146387/
[19:20] <porter1> Can't spell today :/
[19:20] <lilac> Eruaran: all i know is, using the 2.6.27 kernel that worked in intrepid fixed that issue for me
[19:20] <yannick__> ??
[19:20] <panaggio> lilac, purged fglrx
[19:20] <_unknown> I've got small question.. I want to remove ubuntu x64 and install standard version 32bit... if I'll leave /home partition the settings for programs will be working after reintsall?
[19:20] <Petengy> hi to all
[19:21] <ActionParsnip> yannick__: paste the line I PMd you in your xorg.conf in the screen section
[19:21] <nemo> _unknown: why on earth would you want to do that?
[19:21]  * nemo wishes he had a 64 bit system
[19:21] <lilac> panaggio: ok, you need to unload the fglrx module which DKMS added (or just reboot) -- or at least i had to :)
[19:21] <_unknown> nemo: I'm experiencing too many problems with that version :/ flash, movies etc :/
[19:22] <nemo> _unknown: um.
[19:22] <ActionParsnip> _unknown: if /home is on a seperate partition, your settings will be preserved as they are stored there
[19:22] <_unknown> nemo: also java in firefox doesn't work
[19:22] <nemo> _unknown: 32 bit flash in 64 bit systems was solved long ago - or you could just have a 32 bit firefox if you wanted to handle it yourself. but of course there is a 64 bit flash native in linux these days
[19:22] <nemo> _unknown: 64 bit java in firefox also works - you must have your plugins linked wrong
[19:23] <nemo> _unknown: and 64 bit windows codecs also exist in medibuntu
[19:23] <panaggio> purged -radeon and -ati again (just to make sure I havenit installed them back =) )
[19:23] <nemo> _unknown: linux was one of the first platforms to *get* native 64 bit flash :-p
[19:23] <ActionParsnip> _unknown: java can be a pain, you can use icedtea
[19:23] <_unknown> nemo: java working ok for opera, in firefox processor utilization is over 50% and doesn't work
[19:24] <lilac> panaggio: you'll need -radeon and -ati :)
[19:24] <nemo> _unknown: I strongly suspect you are linking to wrong plugin
[19:24] <nemo> _unknown: esp if it works in opera
[19:25] <PolitikerNEU> Hello - does any body know how to install grub-gfxboot in jaunty? I read that the installation for intrepid was different form the one of hardy and earlier - so I wanted to know whether I can just keep to the howto for intrepid or have to regard something else
[19:25] <panaggio> lilac, installed -radeon and -ati back. just to make sure everything is done in the proper order
[19:25] <ActionParsnip> _unknown: opera rock...probably why
[19:25] <nemo> _unknown: unless you are using 32 bit opera too
[19:25] <nemo> ActionParsnip: opera fails at some very basic stuff :-/
[19:25] <nemo> but. it is still better than IE
[19:25] <panaggio> lilac, rebooting
[19:25] <ActionParsnip> nemo: never had an issue with it
[19:25] <nemo> ActionParsnip: do you do complex web page layout?
[19:25] <ActionParsnip> nemo: IE aint bad
[19:25] <nemo> or complex javascript?
[19:25] <_unknown> nemo: I've installed those ubuntu-restricted-extras there was java included if I good remember
[19:25] <nemo> IE is an absolute nightmare for a web developer
[19:25] <ActionParsnip> nemo: basicweb browsing
[19:26] <ActionParsnip> nemo: flash, pics and text
[19:26] <nemo> ActionParsnip: typically working around IE failures are like half the design time
[19:26] <nemo> ActionParsnip: then you wouldn't know :-p
[19:26] <JMFTheVCI> ActionParsnin: "IE ain't bad" what heresy is this?
[19:26] <nemo> _unknown: Java doesn't require restricted extra
[19:26] <ActionParsnip> nemo: well, i know what works for me
[19:26] <panaggio> lilac, I have done this before. My former fglrx driver worked for 2d graphics, and -ati drivers were the cause of the break here
[19:26] <nemo> ActionParsnip: only because web developers 1) limit the stuff they use to stuff IE supports 2) add a ton of IE workarounds
[19:26] <imachine_> ActionParsnip, IE can work. but it sucks anyway.
[19:27] <ActionParsnip> nemo:  JMFTheVCI: http://www.firefoxmyths.com/
[19:27] <nemo> ActionParsnip: but, you still get slower rendering if using workarounds, sometimes flickers, and increasingly nowdays, slight visual quirks
[19:27] <ActionParsnip> imachine_: see that ^
[19:27] <panaggio> lilac, when I installed -ati and purged fglrx X broke =/
[19:27] <nemo> ActionParsnip: dude. I do this stuff for a living. I know exactly how many ways IE fails
[19:27] <imachine_> it's like saying I don't need a car, I have a circle and a stick and that works for me.
[19:27] <nemo> ActionParsnip: and the gigantic hack that is their layout engine
[19:27] <bruce89> nemo: default-jre
[19:27] <ActionParsnip> nemo: as i say, opera works killer for me
[19:27] <nemo> ActionParsnip: http://haslayout.net/
[19:27] <JMFTheVCI> I get big static on startup of Ffox on 8.10
[19:28] <nemo> ActionParsnip: and of course http://haslayout.net/haslayout for the hack of all stupid hacks
[19:28] <the_dark_warrio> Am I wrong or Ubuntu 9.04 has a native Samsung SCX 4200 driver?
[19:28] <nemo> ActionParsnip: and lets not forget the jscript leaks 'cause IE doesn't integrate the jscript engine with the DOM in any sane fashion
[19:28] <panaggio> lilac, after reboot, I've got another X fail =/
[19:28] <lilac> panaggio: what style of fail this type?
[19:28] <lilac> *time
[19:28] <nemo> ActionParsnip: http://javascript.crockford.com/memory/leak.html
[19:29] <nemo> ActionParsnip: trust me. in order for you to get IE working nicely, there are countless thousands of wasted web developer hours and much cursing
[19:29] <nemo> half my support time in #css is fixing IE stupid !@#$ bugs
[19:29] <nemo> just learned a lovely new one the other day, that I didn't find documented anywhere
[19:30] <ActionParsnip> nemo: as a very casual web browser, i dont care. all i see is what i use
[19:30] <nemo> well. will change more and more in future
[19:30] <nemo> more websites are just giving up on IE6, degrading it
[19:30] <nemo> and same is happening for IE7
[19:30] <nemo> ActionParsnip: http://www.thecssninja.com/css/dont-kill-ie6-degrade-it
[19:30] <deany> nemo, i had a little countdown flash timer thing goin once, looked fine in FF and Opera, but took me ages (not being a web designer) to make it look right in IE
[19:30] <nemo> ActionParsnip: the nice thing about this approach, is the IE users are unaware of it
[19:30] <the_dark_warrio> ie7 should never have existed
[19:31] <deany> and it wasnt that complex a page either..
[19:31] <nemo> deany: I could go on for hours about the enormous fail that is Trident
[19:31] <nemo> deany: sad thing is, it was quite a nice engine... in 1994
[19:31] <ActionParsnip> nemo: i dont use IE on any of my systems, all opera
[19:31] <nemo> deany: I don't understand why MS didn't use Webkit for IE8 :(
[19:31] <nemo> I don't hate MS or IE really, just the utter made-of-fail that is their engine
[19:32] <imachine_> ms makes standards.
[19:32] <darthanubis> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel_core_i7&num=1
[19:32] <imachine_> not uses the existing ones.
[19:32] <bruce89> nemo: same reason as Mozilla
[19:32] <nemo> ActionParsnip: say, do you have Opera 10 by any chance?
[19:32] <ActionParsnip> 9 right now
[19:32] <sebsebseb> nemo: indeed  Trident is a horrible enginge
[19:32] <nemo> bruce89: well, Gecko has quite a few redeeming features. XUL/XBL is sheer genius
[19:32] <nemo> bruce89: and unlike Trident, they actually are doing major refactors
[19:32] <nemo> SFX/V8/TM are all neck and neck on javascript for example
[19:32] <sebsebseb> nemo: Steve Ballmer did say though in Aussieland that  one day  IE might use Webkit or have it as an option with their crappy enginge
[19:33] <nemo> sebsebseb: yeah. one can dream
[19:33] <panaggio> lilac, Xorg.0.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/146402/
[19:33] <sebsebseb> nemo: it would be funny if IE  suddenly had suppourt for Gecko, since they destroyed Netscape and all
[19:33] <nemo> sebsebseb: they could have done that in IE8 easy. just failover to MSHTML for "IE7 compatibility mode"
[19:33] <bruce89> WebKit vs. Gecko seems to be where it's going now
[19:33] <panaggio> Xorg.0.log.old http://paste.ubuntu.com/146404/
[19:33] <nemo> sebsebseb: or just allow for arbitrary swappable backends
[19:33] <lilac> panaggio: change Driver "fglrx" to Driver "ati"
[19:33] <bruce89> thanks to Gecko being horrible to embed, WebKit for the win
[19:34] <panaggio> lilac, /me dumb =/
[19:34] <nemo> bruce89: erm. not sure what you mean by embed. I mean, XULRunner allows for easy packaging if you are doing XUL/XBL based apps
[19:35] <Drachenblut> i'm trying to modify settings in gstreamer-settings on kubuntu 904 but it doesn't seem to maintain the setting after I close the window.  anyone know of a workaround?
[19:35] <nemo> bruce89: and of course there is Fennec
[19:35] <nemo> which runs great on the Nokia N810
[19:35] <bruce89> nemo: look at Epiphany for instance
[19:35] <nemo> bruce89: I used epiphany for years. your point?
[19:35] <bruce89> nemo: a few rude words in the code
[19:35] <nemo> their switch to webkit was not related to embedding issues really
[19:35] <nemo> anyway. we can all agree Trident sucks at least :)
[19:35] <panaggio> lilac, *thanks a lot!*
[19:35] <bruce89> nemo: one of the reasons
[19:36] <lilac> panaggio: it's working?
[19:36] <panaggio> lilac, X is up
[19:36] <nemo> ActionParsnip: shame, I wanted to see how quickly Opera 10 could render a test page like http://m8y.org/js/primes.xhtml
[19:36] <panaggio> lilac, 2d graphics are ok
[19:36] <nemo> I don't have it handy, myself
[19:37] <ActionParsnip> nemo: install it and give it a go, could use a chroot
[19:37] <nemo> ActionParsnip: curious how their DOM/JS is doing against the big 3.
[19:37] <nemo> ActionParsnip: too lazy. only if you had it handy
[19:37] <panaggio> lilac, and 3d graphics breaks the hole system =(
[19:37] <panaggio> lilac, at least I have a "working" X again =)
[19:37] <lilac> how broken are we talking?
[19:38] <nemo> ActionParsnip: (by the big 3 I mean Chrome/Webkit/Gecko and V8/SFX/TM ;) )
[19:38] <panaggio> lilac, nothing responds
[19:38] <nemo> IE of course grinds to a halt on that page
[19:38] <panaggio> lilac, I had to reboot
[19:38] <lilac> panaggio: you on 2.6.28 or 2.6.27 kernel?
[19:38] <panaggio> lilac, on 2.6.27
[19:38] <ActionParsnip> nemo: means nothing to me dude
[19:38] <lilac> panaggio: then you've left the area of my knowledge, sorry :-/
[19:39] <panaggio> lilac, don't worry
[19:39] <panaggio> lilac, at least, I have X back
[19:39] <lilac> glxgears works here. on the down side, if i turn on Xinerama, i get an X segfault :-/
[19:39] <lilac> panaggio: oh, actually..
[19:39] <lilac> panaggio: i read somewhere that removing fglrx it sometimes leaves behind its libGL
[19:39] <panaggio> lilac, and now I can work again. thanks a lot again!
[19:40] <lilac> panaggio: try a reinstall of libglu1-mesa and associated things
[19:40] <lilac> panaggio: no problem :)
[19:40] <panaggio> lilac, by reinstall you mean purge and install?
[19:40] <lilac> panaggio: apt-get install --reinstall should be enough
[19:40] <panaggio> lilac, ok. I'll try it now
[19:41] <coz_> hey guys is bugs.launchpad.net   down?
[19:41] <coz_> I keep getting timeout error
[19:41] <lilac> coz_: i got that earlier, seemed intermittent
[19:41] <ActionParsnip> coz_: works ok here
[19:41] <bruce89> nemo: look at the number of #ifdefs in Epiphany's 2.26 branch
[19:42] <spaceBARbarian> how do i configure the update manager to use a custom added mirror for downloading updates ?
[19:42] <coz_> lilac, ok thanks   ActionParsnip  thanks
[19:42] <Phoul> Hey all, How does jaunty compare to arch linux for speed (Boot, App launch, Etc etc)
[19:43] <nemo> bruce89: um. wasn't that branch after they started moving to webkit?
[19:43] <bruce89> nemo: it's been pushed back to 2.28
[19:44] <panaggio> lilac, reinstalled libglu1-mesa
[19:44] <coz_> Phoul,  I cant answer that because I have never used arch but it is faster than previous versions of ubuntu
[19:45] <coz_> In some respects anyway
[19:45] <panaggio> lilac, do you think 3d graphics will be ok?
[19:45] <Phoul> Whats the kernal version
[19:46] <coz_> Phoul,   2.6.28-11-generic
[19:46] <panaggio> lilac, better question: do you think 3d graphics would have to be ok? they aren't
[19:48] <nemo> bruce89: my point is, comparing after shift to a new engine is a bit silly - that is guaranteed to generate ifdefs
[19:48] <nemo> bruce89: I remember discussions on #epiphany back when they were on gecko, there were issues, but they were never that major
[19:49] <LiMaO> 71 updates.. hope nothing is broken this time...
[19:49] <nemo> heh. decided to test my sieve page with 1,000,000 cells instead of 100,000 - that was a bad idea, IE did not like that at all :)
[19:50] <nemo> anyway, at 100,000 it renders table in 12½ seconds, and does the filter in ¼ second.  That's 5x slower DOM rendering and 3x slower JS
[19:50] <nemo> they do worse on JS in some other tests I've done
[20:02] <Assid> err whens the release date?
[20:02] <Shappie> Hi all. I have a problem with fglrx and dual screen setup (1680x1050 dualscreen so virtual resolution of 3360x1050). I run kubuntu 9.04 beta fully updated.
[20:03] <Shappie> As soon as i configure a dual screen setup with aticonfig i dont get a normal graphical environment when i boot up my pc. With single cloned screen mode everything is fine. I got fglrx working and glxgears runs nice. Anybody an idea how to make a dualscreen setup?
[20:05] <xangua> Hello, when i try to install CD/DVD creator thru Apps> Add & quit it gives me an error of a software conflict
[20:05] <xangua> i think i have to unninstall brasero first but i would like to keep both, Brasero and Gnome/Nautilus CD/DVD creator
[20:06] <xangua> Does someone know what could i do ¿?
[20:06] <Shappie> What is the error exactly?
[20:06] <xangua> waith phone*
[20:08] <bruce89> xangua: nautilus-cd-burner has been replaced by brasero
[20:11] <Shappie> The AMD Catalyst Control Center (amdcccle) doesnt know what my setup is. At the dialog to make a big desktop he says: unknown. So he dont see it is cloned atm. But he does recognize my 2 panels.
[20:13] <bruce89> xangua: in other words, remove nautilus-cd-burner
[20:16] <coz_> ok its been about 2 hours since I have been getting timed out of trying to report several bugs... should I just state them here?
[20:21] <spaceBARbarian> i am getting an error when trying to load gsynaptics, it says set "SHMconfig" to 1 in xorg.conf, but doesnt ubuntu use HAL or something now
[20:21] <spaceBARbarian> ?
[20:22] <elvirolo> hi everyone
[20:23] <slhawkins> hey there
[20:23] <elvirolo> i just updated to 2.6.28-11, and this seems that the rtl8187 module doesn't want to load
[20:23] <rww> spaceBARbarian: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gsynaptics/+bug/132627
[20:23] <rww> elvirolo: it's working fine here.
[20:24] <elvirolo> rww: hmm... here it says "error inserting symbol" something
[20:24] <slhawkins> I've got a question, a problem, and it's probably something I missed..
[20:25] <slhawkins> trying to upgrade to Jaunty - I apt-get install update-man............
[20:25] <slhawkins> nano /etc/up..... already had prompt=normal
[20:26] <slhawkins> root@mail:/home/steve# do-release-upgrade
[20:26] <slhawkins> Checking for a new ubuntu release
[20:26] <slhawkins> No new release found
[20:26] <slhawkins> any idea?
[20:26] <rww> slhawkins: do-release-upgrade -d
[20:26] <elvirolo> maybe it's because i install the module backports to try and get a better driver
[20:27] <slhawkins> rww like I said, I missed something :P Thanks a lot!
[20:27] <rww> elvirolo: possibly, i don't have it installed
[20:29] <ultratek> what is nmbd?
[20:30] <rww> ultratek: samba's NetBIOS server
[20:30] <ultratek> how do i install it?
[20:30] <rww> ultratek: it's part of the samba package
[20:31] <ultratek> but it is not running
[20:31] <ultratek> rww. i need to install it actually. i removed sambayesterday
[20:32] <rww> ultratek: "sudo apt-get install samba"...
[20:32] <ultratek> i believe i have to do it seperately because i broke somemany packages
[20:33] <ultratek> and that is the last thing i have yet to get working
[20:33] <ultratek> rww, can you tell me the package name?
[20:33] <rww> ultratek: "samba"
[20:33] <rww> !info samba jaunty | ultratek
[20:34] <ultratek> rww i mean just for nmbd
[20:34] <rww> ultratek: there isn't a separate package for it. it's part of the samba package.
[20:34] <ultratek> or what is it listed as in synaptic?
[20:36] <ultratek> what is nmap, do i need that? i norder to see my network?
[20:37] <rww> ultratek: It's a network scanner for security auditing.
[20:38] <ultratek> can you help me get nmbd running in swat?
[20:40] <Lint01> will jaunty release include new xfce?
[20:40] <jpds> Lint01: Try asking that in #xubuntu-devel.
[20:41] <gauravkittz> hello everyone
[20:43] <rconan> hello
[20:46] <ultratek> can someone help me get my nmbd running in swat?
[20:49] <acicula> heu
[20:50] <player1up> i just upgraded to 9.04 and now Amarok doesnt play sounds..  all system sounds are ok... any ideas?
[20:50] <acicula> nmbd is started along with the other deamon in the samba start script?
[20:50] <ultratek> acicula it wont start when i press the start button in swat
[20:51] <acicula> ultratek: best place to start is syslog/messages/daemon and the likes
[20:51] <acicula> or maybe swat has it's own log
[20:51] <ultratek> can i just reinstall nmbd?
[20:52] <acicula> no it comes with the samba package
[20:52] <acicula> dont think they are packaged differently either
[20:52] <ultratek> how do i do a reinstall of samba?
[20:53] <Q-FUNK> howdy!  am I the only one for whom adding Google calendars to Evolution fails?
[20:54] <jpds> Q-FUNK: How are you adding it?
[20:54] <Q-FUNK> jpds: add new, Google
[20:55] <jpds> Q-FUNK: I ad that problem two days ago, see: http://clarkbw.net/blog/2006/12/08/mashing-google-calendar-and-gnome/
[20:56] <Q-FUNK> erm... 2006 ?  there wasn't a separate type to support google, back then?
[20:56] <acicula> ultratek: you can reinstall, but the configuration will remain the same, you have to remove samba with --purge and reinstall to put it back to the defaults.Mind you this __nukes__ all your current samba configurations
[20:57] <jpds> Q-FUNK: Yeah, but it's broken or doesn't work. I used this and it worked for me :)
[20:57] <Q-FUNK> it was working fine in intrepid
[20:57] <ultratek> acicula is it possible to get the nmbd running without doing this?
[20:57] <Q-FUNK> that's why I'm asking
[20:58] <acicula> ultratek: look at your logs
[20:58] <acicula> ultratek: if it fails to start it will say so there, or in the swat logs if those exist
[20:58] <ultratek> where are the logs again?
[21:01] <Q-FUNK> jpds: also since intrepid, I was able to modify calendar events from evo.  not since some time during jaunty dev
[21:02] <jpds> Q-FUNK: Very odd, have you checked if there's a bug on it somewhere?
[21:03] <Q-FUNK> jpds: couldn't find any, but then the bug only surfaced when my gconf preferences were trashed and I had to re-create my prefs from an older backup.  before that, it was working fine using the preferences from intrepid
[21:04] <player1up> i just upgraded to 9.04 and now Amarok doesnt play sounds..  all system sounds are ok... any ideas?
[21:07] <porter1> Gah. The OpenOffice file open takes an inordinate amount of time now...
[21:13] <jeiworth> player1up: iirc there is a thread about that problem in ubuntuforums.org
[21:15] <wvmac__> is kubuntu 9.04 using pulseaudio because I don't see a running process listed for any sound backend that I am familiar with, alsa gstreamer, pulse, esound.  amarok plays sound but flash and other audio apps do not produce sound
[21:16] <nemo> so. anyone else here run GNOME on a machine with 1024x768 display? :)
[21:17] <acicula> used to, but upgraded to a whopping 1280x800
[21:17] <nemo> ah.
[21:17] <acicula> now i can click the ok and apply buttons too, t00t
[21:17] <nemo> heh
[21:18] <nemo> was going to share what I'd done to make it more useable
[21:18] <nemo> less relevant in your case
[21:19] <nemo> well. in case anyone else is interested... 1) ditched bottom panel, moved it all top panel. 2) shrank fonts in custom personal gtkrc 3) scaled down ubuntu Applications menu icon
[21:19] <nemo> (3) is needed since that's the only thing keeping me from shrinking top menu from 24px down to 20px
[21:20] <nemo> 4) added localisation to replace Applications/Places/System with App/Loc/Sys
[21:20] <nemo> overrode various sizes in DarkRoom theme to make window chrome a lot thinner, and window buttons smaller.
[21:22] <elvirolo> hmmm
[21:22] <nemo> 6) switched to compact firefox style, moved back/forward/history buttons to left of File..., put URL bar on that same line, along with search
[21:22] <elvirolo> i just uninstalled the module backports but i still can't load rtl8187
[21:24]  * drmrhorse watches as kde slowly decends into madness
[21:25] <nemo> result of (6) is that my actual page height is 675px in firefox
[21:25] <nemo> (well, that and (5)
[21:25] <nemo> )
[21:25] <nemo> who needs chrome :-p
[21:26] <nemo> hm. I think I will shrink the favicon too
[21:26] <nemo> meh. maybe not.
[21:26] <nemo> 675 is good enough.
[21:30] <svalbard> hello.  I need help diagnosing a sound problem on jaunty64
[21:30] <exco> what do I need to install to make fat32 available in gparted?
[21:31] <exco> also on UNR I can't autocomplete e.g. apt-get install gpar"pressing tab" ... why?
[21:31] <lord_drachenblut> anyone know of a fix for gstreamer-properties not saving settings?
[21:39] <Tumie> pidgin sometimes closes,,
[21:39] <Tumie> it just disappeared..
[21:40] <lfaraone> Hi, my jaunty install has been randomly crashing after a recent upgrade.
[21:40] <lfaraone> Has anything to that tune been reported recently?
[21:44] <bruce89> Tumie: that's because of indicator-apple
[21:44] <Tumie> bruce89: so pidgin is still on?
[21:44] <bruce89> Tumie: I don't know
[21:45] <Tumie> it is off
[21:45] <Tumie> but, when is this fixed ?
[21:50] <spaceBARbarian> i just ran updates in jaunty and for some reason my graphic driver was reverted back to the default ? anyone know what the deal is ?
[21:57] <the_dark_warrio> Kubuntu menu isn't focused on openning. Where should I report this bug?
[22:03] <spaceBARbarian> i just ran updates in jaunty and when i rebooted i was pushed into "low  graphics" mode, when i restarted all my compiz and graphic driver settings were gone ( graphics driver disabled as well)
[22:04] <BluesKaj> which graphics driver ?
[22:15] <J-_> I'm going to be reinstalling Jaunty, should I burn the latest beta CD, or will the alpha CD be alright?
[22:15] <bruce89> J-_: doesn't matter
[22:17] <J-_> bruce89: Okay.
[22:30] <mint3> yo jaunty peoples
[22:30] <mint3> anyone upgraded to the new kernel
[22:30] <nemo> new kernel?
[22:31] <nemo> 2.6.28-11 ?
[22:31] <mint3> yes
[22:31] <mint3> did u update to it ?
[22:31] <nemo> yes
[22:31] <frogonwheels> yep - last night.
[22:32] <mint3> so far i find jaunty fairly stable i must say
[22:32] <mint3> got it running both off of my pc and laptop
[22:34] <eitreach> Where are the 700mb-images of Jaunty beta?
[22:34] <Ienorand> Yea I'm running that one as well
[22:34] <mint3> use your update manager
[22:35] <Ienorand> eitreach: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/
[22:35] <eitreach> Thanks. :)
[22:37] <Nytrix> will i be able to upgrade 8.10 to 9.04 instead of a clean install?
[22:38] <crdlb> yes
[22:38] <Fitzz> yes Nytrix
[22:38] <Nytrix> thanks
[22:39] <Ienorand> Nytrix: Yes, use sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -d and the upgrade through update-manager
[22:39] <Whitor> Hi... program question... in Eye of Gnome, I see there is a plugin to expand image to full screen when double left clicked... I would like to close the image with a double right click... anyone know of a way to do this ?
[22:39] <J-_> I had Jaunty installed from alpha, it was alright. Then installed debian. I like debian, but, it's a pain in the ass to set up.
[22:39] <Nytrix> will "Creat a usb start up disk" move my /boot and bootloader to usb key?
[22:40] <dooglus> about once a second, something is stealing my keyboard focus.  how can I stop it?  it's annoying to have to click on the window over and over to regain focus while typing
[22:40] <Whitor> woops, wrong chan sry
[22:41] <Ienorand> Nytrix: It will create a new bootloader on the usb, and if you set up your bios to boot from usb you'll be able to use it just like a livecd.
[22:41] <dooglus> please help
[22:42] <Nytrix> the reason is because i am encrypting my ubuntu and i hear its best to have your /boot and bootloader on usb
[22:42] <crdlb> dooglus: well, where's it going?
[22:43] <Ienorand> Nytrix: Ah, that I don't really know about, sorry.
[22:43] <bjsnider> crdlb, he wants you to call 911 for him
[22:43] <Nytrix> because people can do flash your memory and get your pass phrase
[22:43] <dooglus> crdlb: when i type, most letters don't seem to go anywhere
[22:44] <bruce89> dooglus: notify-osd?
[22:44] <dooglus> crdlb: it's ok now though - sometimes doing ctrl-alt-F1 then alt-F7 fixes it for a minute or two
[22:44] <dooglus> bruce89: I can if you tell me their contact details
[22:44] <mint3> why would you encrypt your ubuntu ?
[22:44] <dooglus> I wouldn't
[22:45] <bruce89> dooglus: Canonical, Isle of Man
[22:45] <Nytrix> check this out http://snuxoll.com/post/2009/03/07/why-full-disk-encryption-isnt-enough
[22:45] <dooglus> bruce89: what now?
[22:45] <bruce89> dooglus: brick time
[22:45] <binarymutant> I'm having problems with my Xorg after an upgrade to jaunty :/  it looks like this: http://i39.tinypic.com/34dljtj.jpg I have the log file, xorg.conf, and lspci information if needed
[22:45] <Duckthis> yeah about that. i tried to use TrueCrypt but everytimes it make crash my computer when I try to mount a partition
[22:45] <dooglus> bruce89: huh?
[22:45] <crdlb> bruce89: you have reason to believe notify-osd is doing it?
[22:46] <bruce89> crdlb: I heard it has issues with respect to focus
[22:46] <mint3> binarymutant,  - i had the same problem
[22:46] <dooglus> crdlb: pidgin is crashing a lot - that could be related
[22:46] <nemo> binarymutant: wow. um. that's pretty messed up. some horrible detection of vid moes?
[22:46] <nemo> modes
[22:46] <dooglus> also, it only seems to happen when i run firefox
[22:46] <nemo> binarymutant: would be interesting to see the Xorg log file
[22:46] <mint3> use an updated ubuntu, binarymutant  . something to do with drivers
[22:46] <dooglus> other than a terminal, pidgin and firefox, there's nothing much running (other than all the default background stuff)
[22:46] <bruce89> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/notify-osd/+bug/346467
[22:46] <nemo> mint3: oh. yeah. he should definitely update if he can
[22:47] <crdlb> dooglus: uh, that sounds like more than an 'also' :)
[22:47] <mint3> i had  the same problem, binarymutant .
[22:47] <nemo> binarymutant: can you get to a terminal? :)
[22:47] <dooglus> crdlb: it's new.  i don't have a lot to go on
[22:47] <mint3> binarymutant,  - are you on intrepid right now ?
[22:47] <bruce89> dooglus: heh, indicator-applet this time
[22:47] <dooglus> bruce89: your lack of verbs is disturbing me
[22:47] <mint3> binarymutant,  - You trying to upgrade from intrepid to jaunty?
[22:48] <bruce89> dooglus: don't worry about it
[22:48] <dooglus> bruce89: when you just nouns, hard
[22:48] <dooglus> meaning not
[22:48] <binarymutant> nemo, http://paste.ubuntu.com/146502/
[22:49] <mint3> binarymutant,  - mind answering me please ?
[22:49] <binarymutant> I can get to a terminal by booting into safe-mode and I'm on a laptop for irc\
[22:49] <binarymutant> mint3, ^
[22:49] <bruce89> dooglus: put verbs I will
[22:50] <binarymutant> I've tried the ati driver and the fglrx :(
[22:50] <mint3> binarymutant,  - are you on intrepid ?
[22:50] <mint3> and you trying to install the beta from the website right ?
[22:50] <dooglus> bruce89: there is no put.  now what about indicator-applet?
[22:50] <bruce89> dooglus: mind not
[22:50] <binarymutant> mint3, its jaunty
[22:50] <mint3> i had the same problem at first
[22:51] <binarymutant> what was the fix?
[22:51] <mint3> if you keep your drivers updated it would resolve it
[22:51] <crdlb> binarymutant: fglrx has dropped suport for your card
[22:51] <nemo> binarymutant: I'm deferring to mint3 who seems to have more familiarity
[22:51] <mint3> ouch
[22:51] <binarymutant> crdlb, is there a legacy package?
[22:51] <bruce89> dooglus: I find any excuse to moan about them, I'll not now
[22:51] <binarymutant> crdlb, and i've tried the ati driver as well
[22:52] <crdlb> binarymutant: no
[22:52] <mint3> nemo,  by all means, am sure you are more knowledgable than i am
[22:52] <crdlb> binarymutant: and the radeon (aka ati) driver is broken because of fglrx
[22:52] <|Dreams|> ok i am trying to change my mtu to 4352 with the command ifconfig eth0 mtu 4352 but keep getting the error SIOCSIFMTU: Invalid argument
[22:52] <binarymutant> :/
[22:52] <binarymutant> crdlb, can I use atleast vesa?
[22:52] <dooglus> bruce89: i have a giant black and white volume control flickering in the top right corner now
[22:52] <dooglus> never seen that before
[22:52] <bruce89> dooglus: ah, that's notify-ods
[22:53] <crdlb> binarymutant: uninstall xorg-driver-fglrx and reboot
[22:53] <dooglus> and then my keyboard lost focus again
[22:53] <dooglus> I think that's a likely suspect
[22:53] <dooglus> now the volume control has gone
[22:53] <bruce89> dooglus: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/notify-osd/+bug/346467
[22:53] <Duckthis> So, no one tried TrueCrypt under 9.04?
[22:53] <dooglus> it was up for a minute or so, flickering like crazy
[22:53] <Ienorand> dooglus: Are you accidentaly hitting any keys that could be linked to volume change?
[22:53] <dooglus> it came back again
[22:54] <dooglus> Ienorand: I could be.  there are a row of silver buttons where my gut rests against the edge of the laptop :)
[22:54] <dooglus> Ienorand: is there some way to disable the keys where my guy rests?
[22:55] <binarymutant> crdlb, ty
[22:55] <dooglus> s/guy/gut/
[22:55] <Ienorand> dooglus: If I keep for example the mute key it does something similar, dunno how to disable them...
[22:55] <Duckthis> No one tried TrueCrypt under 9.04?
[22:56] <dooglus> Ienorand: how frustrating.  it's a silly place to put keys, right on the front of the laptop
[22:56] <bruce89> keyboard shortcuts capplet
[22:56] <dooglus> good work diagnosing the problem though :)
[22:56] <dooglus> bruce89: noun noun noun again?
[22:56] <dooglus> type it?  google it?  run it?  what?
[22:56] <Ienorand> Ienorand: (menu->) System > preferences > keyboard shortcuts?
[22:57] <bruce89> dooglus: System>Preferences>blah
[22:57] <Ienorand> dooglus: that was meant for you btw :)
[22:57] <dooglus> Ienorand: I guessed :)
[22:58] <dooglus> I'm scanning the list for something that looks likely
[22:58] <Ienorand> dooglus: Top one, volume mute?
[22:58] <dooglus> I don't see anything about volume
[22:58] <dooglus> aah
[22:58] <dooglus> :)
[22:59] <Ienorand> There's too much woods...
[22:59] <dooglus> previously it was losing focus but the huge volume control wasn't appearing
[22:59] <dooglus> i guess i was hitting 'next track' or something then instead
[22:59] <dooglus> i'll just disable all these 'XF86...' keys
[23:00] <crdlb> this is a literal pebkac :P
[23:00] <dooglus> heh
[23:00] <dooglus> if there was a 'c', then the 'p' wouldn't 'e'
[23:01] <dooglus> I'm lying down, y'see, and the 'k' is lying on my stomach
[23:02] <dooglus> I've been using the same laptop with WinXP for months, and it's never been an issue.  I guess I've been hitting the keys, turning the volume up and down, and skipping tracks, but it never bothered me because I'm generally typing, not listening to music
[23:02] <dooglus> whereas in ubuntu it stopped me being able to work - or seek help effectively
[23:03] <bruce89> notification daemons stealing focus don't help
[23:03] <dooglus> no
[23:07] <dooglus> !mplayer
[23:07] <dooglus> !codecs
[23:09] <dooglus> I see 'trackerd' using up a fair amount of CPU.  is it the beagle replacement?  how do I use it?
[23:16] <Ienorand> dooglus: Are you using an upgrade? Tracker is not installed default in jaunty so it's probably remains from prev...
[23:19] <bjsnider> Ienorand, what happened to tracker?
[23:19] <bruce89> bjsnider: people found it liked eating CPUs for breakfast
[23:20] <bjsnider> bruce89, sez u
[23:20] <bruce89> bjsnider: no, I found it fine actually
[23:20] <dooglus> Ienorand: I installed inside windows, using wubi
[23:20] <dtchen> cpu isn't the killer for tracker, it's utter i/o insanity
[23:20] <dooglus> someone told me wubi won't install betas, so I installed 8.10 and upgraded
[23:20] <dtchen> even with ionice, it utterly craps all over rotary disks
[23:24] <dooglus> so how do I stop it?
[23:24] <dooglus> I don't see a /etc/init.d/trackerd or similar
[23:25] <bruce89> dooglus: remove all the tracker-related packages
[23:25] <bruce89> dooglus: well, as many as possible
[23:25] <dtchen> remove it from the startup applications?
[23:25] <bruce89> dooglus: tracker-search-tool, libtracker-gtk0, tracker packages
[23:27] <dooglus> is there something like 'top' but for IO?
[23:27] <dtchen> iotop
[23:27] <dooglus> 'cause everything's crawling
[23:27] <dooglus> lol
[23:28] <dooglus> also, I plugged in a USB memory card, copied some stuff from it, and now am trying to umount it.  it tells me it's busy, but lsof and fuser both find nothing
[23:28] <dooglus> I have hardly anything running - so how to I find why it's 'busy'?
[23:29] <dtchen> checked your cwd?
[23:29] <Ienorand> dooglus: Some terminal or nautilus window browsing it?
[23:29] <dooglus> no, I closes all the terminals and nautilus windows
[23:30] <dooglus> closed*
[23:30] <dooglus> I only have pidgin and firefox running
[23:30] <dooglus> I wonder if tracker is indexing it maybe
[23:32] <Ienorand> dooglus: possibly so
[23:32] <dooglus> it's still running the 'apt-get remove' for tracker
[23:32] <dooglus> everything's really slow at the moment
[23:35] <dooglus> it spends an eternity 'processing triggers for man-db' whenever I install or uninstall anything
[23:35] <dooglus> is there some way to stop that?
[23:35] <dooglus> I never use any man db
[23:37] <Ienorand> dooglus: That is probably best left alone, and I don't know if one could disable it... sounds like a lot of hacking to me...
[23:37] <sebsebseb> dooglus: hi
[23:37] <dooglus> hey seb
[23:38] <bruce89> hola
[23:38] <Ienorand> dooglus: I think it is updating/removing manual entries at that...
[23:38]  * bruce89 wonders why I keep saying "hola"
[23:38] <dooglus> my guess is that it's updating the 'whatis' database, so you can 'man -k' to search for commands
[23:38] <sebsebseb> bruce89: ,becaue secretly you want to be Spannish
[23:38] <sebsebseb> bruce89: not Scottish
[23:39] <bruce89> aw
[23:39] <dooglus> I removed a slew of tracker packages, but trackerd is still thrashing the hdd
[23:39] <bruce89> kill it
[23:40] <Ienorand> dooglus: It will prolly not die untill you... yes
[23:40] <dooglus> shouldn't the postrm script have done that?
[23:40] <dooglus> but: ls: cannot access /usr/bin/trackerd: No such file or directory
[23:40] <dooglus> it's gone
[23:40] <crdlb> dooglus: of course not
[23:40]  * Ienorand is maybe a bit innefective at times...
[23:40] <crdlb> it's a user process
[23:40] <bruce89> unlike Windows, removing stuff doesn't kill the process
[23:40] <bruce89> killall trackerd
[23:41] <crdlb> removing a system daemon with an init script would probably disable the service first, though ...
[23:41] <dooglus> bruce89: most packages come with scripts that kill the service when you uninstall them I think
[23:42]  * Ienorand likes the way you have to kill processes in GNU/Linux, and first time I saw a zombie process I was hooked on the os for life :)
[23:42] <dooglus> ha
[23:42] <bruce89> dooglus: as crdlb points out, that's for non-user processes
[23:43] <bruce89> such as the gvfs daemons
[23:43] <dooglus> ok
[23:45] <dooglus> seems it wasn't tracker killing this laptop anyway
[23:45] <jussi01>  /access
[23:45] <dooglus> it's something called 'updatedb.mlocate'
[23:45] <Chr|s> big update today I see
[23:45] <dooglus> is that from 8.10 and can be removed too?
[23:45] <bruce89> dooglus: oop
[23:45] <crdlb> jussi01: denied
[23:45] <sebsebseb> lenorand: a zombie process? what's that?  one that won't just die?
[23:45] <jussi01> crdlb: rofl
[23:45] <dooglus> sebsebseb: it's one that walks around in the night and eats your spicy brains
[23:45] <bruce89> dooglus: that's updating the database for "locate"
[23:46]  * sebsebseb is slightly ashamed at dooglus,  because  he has known this guy online for a few years, and so is  rather suprised he would be using wubi, instead of a real install
[23:46] <sebsebseb> dooglus: lol
[23:46] <dooglus> sebsebseb: you can't find anything better to be ashamed of me for?
[23:46] <Ienorand> sebsebseb: I don't know exactly, think it's when it won't be terminated and has to be shotgunned using kill -9
[23:47] <sebsebseb> dooglus: I think you secretly fallan in love with XP  and Microsoft,  and now think it's ok to run Ubuntu inside it using Wubi?  heh he
[23:47] <crdlb> sebsebseb: 1) tab-complete is your friend, 2) it's a process whose parent has not reaped it
[23:47] <sebsebseb> crdlb: what is?   and I mised some of the convo I think
[23:48] <bruce89> sebsebseb: scroll up
[23:48] <sebsebseb> dooglus: heh you know me :)  and so that I was joking there
[23:48] <bruce89> it's impossible to know if someone is joking on iRC
[23:49] <dooglus> Ienorand: I think zombies don't die even if you kill -9 them
[23:49] <crdlb> zombies are already dead
[23:50] <maxb> sebsebseb: A zombie process is one which has exited, but its parent hasn't picked up information about its exit yet, so the kernel can't deallocate the PID yet
[23:50] <dooglus> I'm trying to umount my memory card, I type 'sudo umount /media/Memo<TAB>' (tab complete is my friend, right?)
[23:51] <dooglus> and it completes to "sudo umount /media/Memory /"
[23:51] <dooglus> but the directory is "/media/Memory Card/"
[23:51] <dooglus> seems tab-complete is cheating on me
[23:51] <maxb> I would not be entirely surprised is the completion had a bug concerning spaces
[23:51] <dooglus> I reported it a couple years ago
[23:51] <sebsebseb> maxb: oh ok
[23:51] <crdlb> normally, it escapes spaces automatically with \
[23:51] <bruce89> dooglus: you need to excape it, something like "sudo umount /media/Memory\ Card
[23:51] <dooglus> it only seems to affect some commands - like 'sudo umount'
[23:52] <dooglus> bruce89: I know that, but tab-complete doesn't...
[23:52] <maxb> oh, yeah, the umount completion function has a bug
[23:52] <bloggsie> Running X server uses between 35 and 99 percent of cpu resouce. ati mobility 7500 video card  in a ThinPad T41. Is this normal?
[23:52] <maxb> but I thought it was fixed in Jaunty
[23:52] <bruce89> dooglus: sometimes you have to complete manually when spaces are involved
[23:52] <crdlb> bloggsie: I'm going to say no
[23:52] <crdlb> particularly since I have the same GPU
[23:52] <dooglus> if I type: "uumount /media/Memo<TAB" I get "uumount /media/Memory\ Card/"
[23:52] <dooglus> as expected
[23:52] <dooglus> if if I just put a single 'u' in umount, it fails
[23:53] <dooglus> seems to be special-casing umount in a fail manner
[23:53] <bloggsie> crdlb: Any idea how to fix my problem?
[23:53] <maxb> dooglus: Are you sure you're using bash-completion from Jaunty?
[23:53] <dooglus> anyway - it umounts fine now that trackerd and updatedb both died
[23:54] <dooglus> maxb: I updated to Jaunty, yes
[23:54] <crdlb> bloggsie: nope :/
[23:54] <maxb> dooglus: run md5sum /etc/bash_completion please?
[23:54] <dooglus> if it helps:
[23:54] <dooglus> bash-completion:
[23:54] <dooglus>   Installed: 20080705ubuntu3
[23:54] <dooglus> chris@ubuntu:~$ md5sum /etc/bash_completion
[23:54] <dooglus> 23282fc1f495886f1acf6bd95674af2f  /etc/bash_completion
[23:54] <maxb> huh
[23:54] <maxb> same as mine
[23:55] <dooglus> try 'mkdir /tmp/aaa b', then 'umount /tmp/aaa<TAB>'
[23:55]  * maxb tries to find something with a space to mount
[23:55] <dooglus> lol - it works!
[23:55] <dooglus> guess umount's completion is doing something magic with the output of 'mount' or some such
[23:56] <crdlb> yep
[23:56] <crdlb> shell scripting sucks :>
[23:56] <maxb> dooglus: gah. *one* bug with the umount completion was fixed.
[23:57] <maxb> You've found another one
[23:57] <dooglus> maxb: here's a test:  mkdir "/tmp/aaa b"; mount --bind / "/tmp/aaa b"; sudo umount /tmp/aaa<TAB><TAB>
[23:58] <maxb> dooglus: feel like filing the bug? :-)
[23:58] <dooglus> maxb: make sure you umount it again - ubuntu has a habit of wiping /tmp/ and anything you've mounted into it
[23:58] <dooglus> maxb: I think I already did
[23:58] <bruce89> dooglus: that's the point of /tmp
[23:58] <dooglus> maxb: what usually happens is a year or two after I file a bug it gets closed due to 'lack of activity' or something
[23:58] <maxb> The bug is *painfully* obvious. It generates the list of completions by just cutting the third whitespace separated word out of the output of "moun"
[23:59] <maxb> *mount
[23:59] <dooglus> maxb: nice :)
[23:59] <maxb> dooglus: Do you have the number to hand?
[23:59] <dooglus> maxb: I'll see if I can find it