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| Martyn | ogra : I have an alpha-quality u-boot now | 17:30 |
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| ogra | nice | 17:30 |
| Martyn | ogra : Should I commit a bug and patch? | 17:30 |
| ogra | sure, but that wont enter jaunty anymore | 17:30 |
| Martyn | frig | 17:30 |
| Martyn | we're locked on Redboot for now then, eh? | 17:30 |
| ogra | yes, and it works just fine, is configurable from the running system etc | 17:31 |
| Martyn | thanks to a -lot- of work by lool, you, etc... | 17:31 |
| ogra | http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/arm/babbage/ has todays image | 17:31 |
| Martyn | It's just a pity we have to do all those contortions :) | 17:31 |
| ogra | lool is nearly done integrating the build script into the autobuilders, so std images will show up this week on cdimage.u.c | 17:32 |
| Martyn | ogra : Are you experiencing any board lockups or instability surrounding using the USB bus? | 17:32 |
| Martyn | ogra : I keep getting hard lockups when using a network USB adapter | 17:32 |
| ogra | we were told to not use the normal USB ports but the mini | 17:32 |
| ogra | at least for devices with some payload | 17:33 |
| lool | Martyn: Same here, but we moved to the builtin ethernet again now | 17:33 |
| lool | Martyn: It's better with the latest 2.6.28 we ahve | 17:33 |
| ogra | i have kbd and mouse in normal USB ... HDD on mini with powered HUB | 17:33 |
| Martyn | lool : Someone found the slow performance issue for the built in ethernet? | 17:33 |
| ogra | we got patches | 17:33 |
| Martyn | ogra : using one of those weird usb A-B cables? | 17:33 |
| Martyn | mini a/ minib | 17:34 |
| ogra | they are in the current kernels but cause other probs | 17:34 |
| Martyn | *sigh* | 17:34 |
| * ogra points to bug 356517 and bug 356975 | 17:34 | |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 356517 in network-manager "udev does not detect eth0 on armel" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/356517 | 17:34 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 356975 in linux "imx51 oops after watchdog call" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/356975 | 17:34 |
| Martyn | So many issues to solve, and Pegatron is already starting tooling up for ARM based netbooks with the i.mx515 in them | 17:35 |
| Martyn | Yeah, I just saw 356975 | 17:35 |
| ogra | it doesnt stop the NIC from working | 17:35 |
| * Martyn lets the 3 hour download from ogra's image repo start | 17:35 | |
| ogra | but i dont see any plug events anymore for the cable | 17:36 |
| Martyn | Is redboot entirely frozen for jaunty? | 17:39 |
| Martyn | Or is it possible that I might be able to get a usb-boot patch in? | 17:40 |
| ogra | i dont think we can add new features at this point | 17:40 |
| Martyn | Oh well. | 17:44 |
| ogra | we're close to RC | 17:45 |
| ogra | bugfixing is the main focus now | 17:45 |
| * ogra would be very very thankful for any idea or help on bug 328167 btw | 17:45 | |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 328167 in gnome-keyring "[arm] gnome-keyring-daemon eating 100% CPU at login in Jaunty" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/328167 | 17:45 |
| ogra | its our biggest blocker atm | 17:46 |
| Martyn | ogra : I'll take a look at it | 18:00 |
| ogra | that would be cool, we need as many eyes as possible on it | 18:00 |
| ogra | (i know NCommander planned to look as well and i'll donate the the rest of my week to it too) | 18:01 |
| NCommander | ogra, as far as I can tell its a Babbage specific issue | 18:03 |
| NCommander | ogra, I was unable to reproduce it on anything else :-/ | 18:03 |
| ogra | it is | 18:03 |
| NCommander | ogra, oh, I didn't see that in the bug report :-/ | 18:03 |
| ogra | but we still need to solve it | 18:03 |
| Martyn | To debug the issue, I'm going to have to do a debug build | 18:04 |
| Martyn | there's not trace information | 18:04 |
| Martyn | not/no | 18:04 |
| ogra | there is the upstream bug | 18:05 |
| Martyn | NCommander : it happens on the EVM as well as babbage | 18:05 |
| NCommander | ogra, the upstream bug doesn't have a full backtrace | 18:05 |
| ogra | but what i added there is apparently not enough | 18:05 |
| * NCommander is going to have to trace it through the entire GNOME stack until it calls into libc | 18:05 | |
| NCommander | ddebs are your friend for this | 18:05 |
| ogra | Martyn, you have an EVM that survives gnome ? | 18:05 |
| Martyn | yeah | 18:05 |
| Martyn | but I cheat :) | 18:05 |
| Martyn | usb->video adapter | 18:06 |
| ogra | soldered RAM on it youreself ? | 18:06 |
| ogra | -e | 18:06 |
| Martyn | no, I just live with an extremely swappy system | 18:06 |
| Martyn | it's slow as tar | 18:06 |
| ogra | heh | 18:06 |
| Martyn | no, slower | 18:06 |
| NCommander | Well, we do know its a regression, we didn't start seeing it until about February | 18:06 |
| ogra | yeah | 18:06 |
| NCommander | Martyn, sounds like my Babbage running with the pendisk | 18:06 |
| Martyn | slow as pure glass flowing down a window | 18:06 |
| * NCommander is setting up the other one with the USB HDD | 18:06 | |
| Martyn | hey, I have a BeagleBoard tucked away in the drawer | 18:07 |
| Martyn | this might be a good time to drag it out, and see if I can get the gnome-keyring issue to show up there | 18:07 |
| NCommander | Martyn, +1 | 18:07 |
| NCommander | I couldn't reproduce on something running a 2.6.25 kernel, but I can't upgrade to the latest kernel either | 18:08 |
| NCommander | (newest userland) | 18:08 |
| Martyn | My only issue there, is the crappy usbOTG on the board | 18:08 |
| NCommander | and my slugs don't have enough RAM | 18:08 |
| NCommander | Martyn, ow. Thats going to hurt | 18:08 |
| Martyn | but I think it's possible to solder two pins together on the mini USB port, and not have to deal with getting a special OTG cable | 18:08 |
| Martyn | I should have done the mod ages ago | 18:09 |
| ogra | on mine a plain mini->-std USB adapter works | 18:09 |
| Martyn | ogra : I need keyboard, mouse, ec.. | 18:10 |
| Martyn | so I need to connect it to a usb hub first :) | 18:10 |
| Martyn | brb | 18:10 |
| Martyn | okay, BeagleBoard pulled out of drawer | 18:15 |
| Martyn | ogra, any reason to think the kernel that was built for your image wouldn't boot it? | 18:15 |
| ogra | ?? | 18:16 |
| ogra | the imx51 kernel on the beagle ? | 18:16 |
| ogra | no, that surely wont boot | 18:16 |
| Martyn | ogra : Sorry, brain not working .. I meant "any reason your image wouldn't boot with a proper Beagle kernel..." | 18:16 |
| Martyn | error existed between user and keyboard | 18:16 |
| ogra | no, should work | 18:17 |
| Martyn | good, that gives me a consistent platform to test | 18:18 |
| Martyn | Of course, it helps if the clock is set | 18:19 |
| Martyn | There has -got- to be a way to kill that @#$@$ annoying bug | 18:19 |
| NCommander | Martyn, we know its a regression, it popped up around Feb 20th | 18:19 |
| Martyn | I mean, sure, we know it's not really 1970 ... | 18:19 |
| NCommander | Oh, THAT bug | 18:19 |
| Martyn | yep, the pam bug | 18:19 |
| NCommander | That one got fixed | 18:20 |
| NCommander | Its not pam, its shadow | 18:20 |
| NCommander | Martyn, is that using a daily vs. a beta image? | 18:20 |
| NCommander | (it was fixed after beta) | 18:20 |
| Martyn | daily, but I'm downloading Oscar's latest one now | 18:22 |
| Martyn | 24% complete .. it's a slow download today | 18:23 |
| NCommander | Martyn, Oscar? | 18:23 |
| NCommander | Martyn, if your still seeing the password bug on a fresh install thats a problem | 18:24 |
| NCommander | :-/ | 18:24 |
| Martyn | ogra | 18:29 |
| Martyn | Well, i've got another 30 minutes before the download is complete | 18:29 |
| Martyn | NCommander : Then we'll see if the password bug remains | 18:29 |
| Martyn | but if it's reported fixed, I shouldn't see it | 18:30 |
| * ogra points to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily-live/20090407.2/ look, there is a babbage image ;) | 19:07 | |
| lool | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily-live/current/ is the stable URL | 19:09 |
| ogra | right | 19:09 |
| NCommander | ogra, I don't see a babbge image at that URL ... | 19:11 |
| NCommander | Oh | 19:11 |
| NCommander | bah, you need to mark it armel+imx51 :-P | 19:11 |
| ogra | cjwatson didnt want to | 19:12 |
| ogra | given that its the only arm live image we build anyway | 19:12 |
| ogra | the html text will be updated though | 19:12 |
| ogra | anyway, out now ... bye | 19:13 |
| NCommander | Martyn, how goes your install? | 19:24 |
| * NCommander is currently grabbing all the ddebs | 19:24 | |
| NCommander | ogra, you around? | 19:53 |
| lool | Did someone try usplash on babbage? | 19:57 |
| lool | The initramfs is really slow, that surprizes me | 19:58 |
| NCommander | lool, it works on PowerPC AFAIK, so it *should* work. How well, I dunno | 20:11 |
| * NCommander finally is getting some useful backtraces :-) | 20:13 | |
| Martyn | re | 20:21 |
| Martyn | NCommander : I'm recompiling the kernel for the Babbage board | 20:22 |
| Martyn | NCommander : Turns out there wasn't one handily available for some reason | 20:22 |
| Martyn | er, Beagle, not babbage | 20:22 |
| NCommander | Martyn, there are plenty available, why are you recompiling for Babbage? | 20:22 |
| Martyn | Brainfrarting continues | 20:22 |
| NCommander | Oh, Ubuntu doesn't officially support Beagle | 20:22 |
| Martyn | Right | 20:23 |
| Martyn | so I'm compiling Beagle | 20:23 |
| Martyn | but >only< changing the parameters needed to get it working on Beagle, so as to hopefully see if I see the same issues | 20:23 |
| Martyn | because I'll be using the Babbage userland | 20:23 |
| NCommander | heh | 20:24 |
| Martyn | time to compilation completion -- 1hr 8min | 20:24 |
| Martyn | Ah, the joys of native compilation | 20:24 |
| pwnguin | how significant is uclib to the arm port? | 20:37 |
| Martyn | we use uclib? | 20:39 |
| pwnguin | looks like no | 20:39 |
| Martyn | I use uclibc to produce busybox images early on during a bring up of a new arm board... | 20:40 |
| Martyn | but AFIK (YMMV) the jaunty arm port is full blown glibc | 20:40 |
| pwnguin | yea, i was thinking it'd be part of busybox or something but i guess not | 20:40 |
| pwnguin | intersting. uclibc is in hardy | 20:42 |
| pwnguin | dropped from intrepid and later i guess. | 20:42 |
| pwnguin | only reason i ask is because i was revisiting a patch dump from Garmin, trying to figure out why a patch wasn't applied upstream. it seems tracked down to uclibc, but if debian / ubuntu aren't using uclibc there's probably no interest in the patch or upstreaming it. | 20:44 |
| * NCommander headthunks | 21:19 | |
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| pwnguin | NCommander: ? | 21:49 |
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| NCommander | pwnguin, working on g-keyring-daemon | 22:25 |
| pwnguin | fun | 22:40 |
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