[00:04] <JanC> Takyoji: they are most likely correct (IE8 is largely standards-compliant ;) )
[00:05] <JanC> so what they mean is: "Your browser is standards compliant, our site is not, so we both are incompatible"
[00:18] <Takyoji> Heh
[00:19] <Takyoji> Because I'm a web developer/designer, and it's not really all that hard to make a website standard compliant. Myself, 17 years of age, self-taught.
[00:19] <Takyoji> XHTML 1.0 Strict valid websites
[00:20] <Takyoji> Yet companies out there fail to even pass HTML 4 Transitional and claim to be "professional" (just like everyone else)
[00:21] <Takyoji> I think I'm eventually going to write my own web crawler in PHP to check over my websites for errors (spelling, syntax error, missing pages, etc). xP
[00:22]  * Takyoji curiously wonders what the browser usage statistics of this group of individuals would be.
[00:23] <Takyoji> Otherwise I actually guess the browser he was using was Internet Explorer 7.
[00:48] <JanC> Takyoji: writing a website that XHTML 1.0 Strict *and* works in all browsers isn't so easy though...
[00:49] <JanC> at least, if you want to do fancy things
[01:01] <Takyoji> Yea, it was quite tricky to deal with the shadow part of the Aqua Eden website without things like PNG and so forth.
[01:01] <Takyoji> But luckily it's completely valid and renders almost the exact same in all top browsers: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Faquaeden.com&charset=(detect+automatically)&doctype=Inline&group=0
[01:02] <Takyoji> Just wish I could just redo it with something simpler since the part of adding shadows to each box takes like 3 or 4 <div> tags for one box.
[01:03] <Takyoji> It's probably people that make IE-only websites are "trained professionals" that just learned "web design" from high school. :P
[01:04] <Takyoji> It's pathetic, at my high school, the teacher just has them do only HTML, no CSS, <font> tags, just copy/pasting JS without knowing what it does, using proprietary tags like <spacer>, and a list of other things. Luckily I'll be making the materials that will be used next year.
[01:05] <Takyoji> And when I told him that <spacer> tag isn't a real tag in the definition, he just had everyone use the <dd> tag instead (and without closing it of course, and not within a <ul> or <ol>)
[01:09] <Takyoji> But, that's just typical high school "web design" I suppose.
[01:50] <Takyoji> I'm wondering if my verbosity is irritating at all in this channel to anyone.
[21:20] <bencrisford> Hey everyone, did you get my email on the mailing list?
[21:21] <bencrisford> Did anyone get my email?
[22:04] <Ben-Crisford> Hi everyone
[22:06] <Takyoji> Hello
[22:06] <Ben-Crisford> did anyone get my email?
[22:07] <Takyoji> Yes, it was received (I'm subscribed to the mailing list)
[22:08] <Ben-Crisford> Feedback on the idea?  Suggestions for projects?
[22:08] <Ben-Crisford> I am still here by the way
[22:08] <Takyoji> Alright
[22:09] <Ben-Crisford> feedback on the idea though?
[22:09] <Takyoji> I'll see if I can generate any ideas
[22:09] <Ben-Crisford> thanks
[22:10] <Ben-Crisford> I think that if we put our minds to it, joining up with the students could get loads more users
[22:12] <Ben-Crisford> we just need a good campaign behind it