| jbarnes | on the tiled rendering section it should probably refer to pre-965 platforms not just 945 | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| jbarnes | the other section looks good | 00:00 |
| cwillu | i.e., into the 800's? | 00:01 |
| cwillu | or just 910+? | 00:01 |
| jbarnes | yeah would have affected 8xx as well | 00:01 |
| bryce | got it | 00:01 |
| albert23 | bryce: the part on /dev/dri/card0 permissions doesn't seem correct. We use hal+acl to set the permissions, not udev. | 00:03 |
| albert23 | note the + in crw-rw----+ | 00:04 |
| bryce | albert23: ok, was just copying hearsay off one of the performance bugs | 00:10 |
| bryce | albert23: I've s/udev/hal+acl/ but could you update that section of the page if it's still not correct? | 00:11 |
| albert23 | bryce: I can take a look tomorrow. It's getting late here | 00:11 |
| bryce | ok | 00:12 |
| bryce | tjaalton: heh, I just got ready to upload the fix for 337926 and see you've beaten me | 01:32 |
| bryce | ...or maybe not. Looks like you've gone to bed. I'll go ahead and put it in. Hopefully I am not stepping on toes too hard here... | 01:38 |
| bryce | http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/webcomics/ctrl-alt-backspace.svg | 02:03 |
| cwillu | bryce, disabled it by default just in time. I figure we got another 18 months before alt-sysrq-k becomes well known enough to be the butt of bad webcomic jokes :p | 02:11 |
| bryce | cwillu: hehe | 02:11 |
| bryce | cwillu: hey, I want to help sort out why you're not able to set Triaged; you're still having that problem? | 02:11 |
| cwillu | sec | 02:15 |
| cwillu | no, triaged still doesn't show up on the list | 02:17 |
| cwillu | new/incomplete/invalid/confirmed/inprogress/committed/released | 02:18 |
| cwillu | (looking at bug #174427, which is on xserver-xorg-video-ati) | 02:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 174427 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "[RV280 9250] [AGP] Tremulous causes X server crash (signal 11) at depth 16" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174427 | 02:18 |
| cwillu | (and invalid, because I've been ignoring it for years now :p) | 02:18 |
| jbarnes | bryce: so looks like lp 348428 is fixed but the fdo bug hasn't been updated? | 02:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 348428 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Switching to another user and then to anything else causes freeze in drm_intel_bo_unreference ()" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/348428 | 02:20 |
| bryce | hmm, you're definitely on the team | 02:20 |
| cwillu | there was some launchpad trouble around when you confirmed me though, do things ever get out of sync like that? | 02:21 |
| bryce | jbarnes: well, we "fixed" it by dropping patches we think caused the regression | 02:22 |
| bryce | those are upstream patches so the issue still needs solved there afaik | 02:22 |
| jbarnes | ah ok | 02:22 |
| bryce | actually I just dropped one of the two patches, the other seemed less suspicious | 02:23 |
| bryce | weirdly, the issue that the patch was supposed to fix did not reappear on dropping it | 02:23 |
| jbarnes | funky | 02:23 |
| bryce | -intel is like magic to me | 02:24 |
| jbarnes | it's a twisty maze | 02:24 |
| cwillu | filled with cavernous bugs, all alike | 02:24 |
| jbarnes | something like that | 02:24 |
| bryce | jbarnes: btw dunno if you saw but I've switched off DRI for i865 and i810 due to freeze problems. | 02:28 |
| jbarnes | yeah I saw that... | 02:28 |
| bryce | some day it would be nice to fix that | 02:28 |
| jbarnes | yeah 8xx has rotted a bit, we hope to fix a bunch of 8xx bugs after 2.7.0 comes out but nothing solid yet | 02:28 |
| bryce | that would be sweet; roughly a quarter to a third of our -intel bugs are for 8xx chips | 02:29 |
| jbarnes | yeah there are a ton of centrino platforms out there | 02:30 |
| jcristau | bryce: intel wants people to buy new laptops, so they break the old ones ;) | 02:31 |
| bryce | jcristau: sometimes I wonder ;-) | 02:32 |
| bryce | I really lost it on one guy that complained about support for SVideo on his i845, that he'd never buy intel graphics, yada yada | 02:33 |
| bryce | I've heard the same complaint from nvidia and fglrx users about hardware support dropping | 02:33 |
| bryce | at least with -intel, users *can* contribute the effort to help maintain the old stuff | 02:33 |
| bryce | they just *don't* | 02:34 |
| bryce | (afaik) | 02:34 |
| * cwillu pokes bryce with a "hey, I'm a user" stick | 02:34 | |
| cwillu | definitely can't mark bugs as triaged though | 02:34 |
| bryce | a rare gem you are! | 02:34 |
| * cwillu beams | 02:34 | |
| bryce | yeah I'm trying to figure this out... I wonder if you have to be an Administer for the project | 02:35 |
| jcristau | every once in a while a non-intel and non-redhat patch makes it upstream :) | 02:35 |
| cwillu | can't set importance either, which isn't terribly surprising | 02:35 |
| bryce | however I don't seem to be able to bless people into Adminship (I can demote people though...) | 02:35 |
| cwillu | I tried logging out and back in yesterday, on the off chance that it was something in my session | 02:35 |
| bryce | cwillu: possibly it requires being on the ubuntu-qa team... | 02:37 |
| bryce | (if my reading of 118708 is correct) | 02:37 |
| cwillu | Should I poke ubuntu-qa then? | 02:39 |
| cwillu | probably not really a huge deal for now | 02:39 |
| bryce | one sec | 02:40 |
| cwillu | I mean, I can always add a triaged tag and poke you with a list | 02:40 |
| bryce | here try this - https://launchpad.net/~bugsquad/+join | 02:40 |
| cwillu | <waiting for launchpad> | 02:41 |
| jcristau | cwillu: that goes without saying :) | 02:41 |
| cwillu | oh, no, it needs to be said :p | 02:42 |
| bryce | we sync launchpad's refresh rate to the performance of your video driver | 02:42 |
| cwillu | oh, let me switch from my laptop (i945) to my desktop (nvidia :p) | 02:42 |
| jcristau | i thought it was to make sure you could finish your coffee break while it's loading a page | 02:43 |
| cwillu | I usually keep a coffee maker 2 feet to the left of my left-most monitor | 02:43 |
| cwillu | maybe moving it to the next room would improve launchpad's perceived performance :) | 02:43 |
| cwillu | bryce, no, still can't touch importance or set triaged | 02:44 |
| bryce | hrm | 02:44 |
| bryce | ok, I'll check with brian murray and figure out how to get you set up | 02:44 |
| cwillu | k, thanks | 02:45 |
| cwillu | really, as long as launchpadlibs works I can still be productive | 02:45 |
| bryce | cwillu: aha brian pointed me to the guidelines - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl | 03:21 |
| cwillu | okay, | 03:40 |
| cwillu | I'll hit the enter key instead of shift | 03:40 |
| * cwillu mutters | 03:40 | |
| cwillu | I'll get that started tomorrow. Heading off to the coffee shop with laptop in tow right away :) | 03:40 |
| * cwillu will poke again in 30 minutes or so | 03:41 | |
| bryce | ok cool; movie time | 03:52 |
| tjaalton | bryce_: no problem, I noticed that my dev laptop was not here, so had to postpone it :) | 05:00 |
| bryce_ | hidy ho | 05:05 |
| bryce_ | hidie? | 05:05 |
| bryce_ | tjaalton: how are your children doing? | 05:05 |
| tjaalton | bryce_: sitting on the couch, watching telly ;) | 05:08 |
| tjaalton | ie. doing well, still coughing though | 05:09 |
| tjaalton | and we finally found a place we could call "home", so it's bargaining time.. | 05:09 |
| tjaalton | hmm, I'm sure I heard my phone beep somewhere.. | 05:11 |
| cwillu_clone | bryce, bug #328484 strikes me as something that could be upstreamed. Reporter is responsive, bug is reproducible, etc | 05:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 328484 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[igc4] displayport monitors not detected in Intrepid" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/328484 | 05:12 |
| jcristau | keithp is already working on DP | 05:13 |
| cwillu_clone | He's tried the jaunty beta and a more recent jaunty daily, and confirmed that it still exists | 05:13 |
| cwillu_clone | ah, k, know the bug # offhand? | 05:13 |
| jcristau | 19995 | 05:14 |
| jcristau | (not offhand, had to find it first :) ) | 05:15 |
| cwillu_clone | :) | 05:15 |
| cwillu_clone | that's on freedesktop? | 05:15 |
| jcristau | yeah | 05:15 |
| tjaalton | bryce_: could you ack bug 355340, it'd enable proper wacom hotplug and there are people confirming that, even with a serial tablet | 05:34 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 355340 in wacom-tools "[FFe] Please allow a new version of wacom-tools" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/355340 | 05:34 |
| tjaalton | or nack, whichever you prefer :) | 05:35 |
| bryce_ | sure | 05:37 |
| bryce_ | done | 05:39 |
| bryce_ | cwillu_clone: good find. Yes, link the upstream bug to ours, and encourage the user to collaborate with upstream on the issue | 05:40 |
| cwillu_clone | already done | 05:41 |
| cwillu_clone | I've been talking to him in #ubuntu+1 as well, although he hasn't poked me yet today :) | 05:41 |
| cwillu_clone | bryce, is launchpadlib known for being broken randomly? | 05:42 |
| jcristau | i guess i'm going to have to coordinate somewhat with ron when i finally get the new x to unstable... | 05:43 |
| cwillu_clone | Launchpad.get_token_and_login('just testing', STAGING_SERVICE_ROOT, cache) is giving me a type error (float is required) in an egg which I _think_ was just pulled in when I installed it | 05:44 |
| jcristau | tjaalton: is there anything in wacom/hal that's not upstream yet, for the hotplug stuff? | 05:45 |
| cwillu_clone | and I was gonna get all pythonic on launchpad's api too :( | 05:53 |
| cwillu_clone | ah, there we go. Never trust easy_install, even if you didn't call it yourself in the first place | 06:00 |
| tjaalton | jcristau: no, it's all in 0.8.3.* | 06:01 |
| jcristau | tjaalton: ah, nice. thanks. | 06:01 |
| tjaalton | 0.8.3 also supports the new Intuos4 devices.. had to check what they look like and it made me drool :P''' | 06:02 |
| tjaalton | bryce_: thanks | 06:04 |
| bryce_ | cwillu_clone: yes launchpadlib has a lot of bugs in it | 06:09 |
| bryce_ | cwillu_clone: I've been accumulating workarounds in a utility library for stuff | 06:09 |
| cwillu_clone | was a 2.6 bug in httplib2 that's fixed in our repository, but not on pipy | 06:09 |
| * cwillu_clone 's coffee is wearing off, time to sleep | 06:14 | |
| bryce_ | night | 06:17 |
| cwillu | well, time to leave denny's at least :p | 06:29 |
| cwillu | wow, it took that long to time out? | 06:32 |
| Unggnu | hi all | 07:49 |
| Unggnu | I wanted to add a passage at the top of the Backtracing wiki for apport. Is that Ok? | 07:49 |
| Unggnu | Afaik Apport can only track Xorg crashes in INtrepid oder later | 07:50 |
| Unggnu | But it is much more easier since no second computer is needed, no extra packages and so on | 07:51 |
| Unggnu | and all the needed information is posted | 07:51 |
| bryce_ | heya Unggnu | 08:01 |
| Unggnu | hi bryce_ | 08:01 |
| bryce_ | Unggnu: yep apport usage is a good idea | 08:01 |
| Unggnu | I wanted a short passage at the top. | 08:02 |
| bryce_ | in fact mdz had suggested doing it a while back, so he'll be happy to see your work | 08:02 |
| Unggnu | bryce_: btw. bug #345796 has a patch from upstream which works for me and a Gentoo guy :) | 08:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 345796 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[i855 i915] Xorg crashed with SIGSEGV in drm_intel_bo_unpin()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/345796 | 08:02 |
| Unggnu | ok | 08:02 |
| * bryce_ looks | 08:04 | |
| bryce_ | Unggnu: ok thanks, I put it on my todo list. I'll try to get it in tomorrow | 08:07 |
| Unggnu | thx | 08:07 |
| Unggnu | hm, jumping to an anchor with spaces doesn't seem to work in the Wiki | 08:19 |
| bryce_ | nope | 08:20 |
| Unggnu | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Backtracing - I hope it is alright | 08:38 |
| Unggnu | Btw. the anchor space problem should be fixed. Makes much more work. | 08:38 |
| Unggnu | if you can't to a specific part of a wiki page | 08:38 |
| Unggnu | +point | 08:39 |
| Unggnu | Apport works fine with X in Jaunty and according to pitti with Intrepid also | 08:39 |
| bryce_ | yeah | 08:52 |
| bryce_ | probably can do it with &32; or whatever the space html symbol is | 08:52 |
| bryce_ | looks good | 08:53 |
| Unggnu | no, %20 doesn't work | 09:01 |
| Unggnu | I guess that's the reason why Wikipedia converts them to _ | 09:02 |
| bryce | yay, wacom-tools updated. congrats timo | 09:17 |
| tjaalton | bryce_: yeah :) | 09:39 |
| bryce | ok, enough bug damage for one day. bedtime. night. | 09:56 |
| tjaalton | night! | 10:00 |
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| bryce | morning | 17:26 |
| jbarnes | hi | 17:27 |
| sbeattie | hrm, is there a reason /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc is not executable? | 20:20 |
| bryce | sbeattie: maybe it is sourced rather than executed? | 20:22 |
| bryce | heya albert23 | 20:22 |
| albert23 | hi bryce | 20:23 |
| bryce | sweet, finally a debugging method for GPU hangs on -intel: http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17638#c28 | 20:23 |
| ubottu | Freedesktop bug 17638 in Driver/intel "[945GM] intermittent crashes (Ring of Death) if ExaNoComposite unset" [Critical,New] | 20:23 |
| sbeattie | bryce: the reason I ask is that the vnc4server's default .vnc/xstartup script does "exec /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc" by default which fails; so I'm curious whether that should be fixed in in X or vnc4server. | 20:24 |
| bryce | hmm, that's such a common file that I would guess if it is not executable, it's for a very good reason (security perhaps?) | 20:24 |
| bryce | if its non-executable state were a problem, I'd have expected to see more widespread bug reports on it | 20:25 |
| bryce | maybe jcristau has better wisdom on this | 20:25 |
| bryce | btw I've written up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Freeze for helping in triage freeze / gpu lockup bugs | 20:26 |
| sbeattie | bryce: one thing to note is that in all the hangs I've seen, the mouse still would move, but otherwise X was frozen. You may wish to incorporate that into the Narrowing Class section. | 20:33 |
| bryce | I mention that in the symptoms section, but I could mention that there too | 20:36 |
| bryce | done | 20:37 |
| cwillu | sbeattie, should be sourced, xinitrc can set environment vars to configure things, which doesn't work if you exec it afaik | 20:46 |
| cwillu | at least, so says redhat, gentoo and debian :p | 20:48 |
| sbeattie | cwillu: on a fork/exec, the parent won't get the env variables, true; but a direct exec() replaces the calling processes memory with the exec()ed one. | 20:53 |
| sbeattie | cwillu: amusingly, bug 257724 claims its executable on fedora. | 20:53 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 257724 in vnc4 "vnc4server startup script error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/257724 | 20:53 |
| sbeattie | anyway, sourcing in vnc4server should be fine. | 20:56 |
| jbarnes | bryce: so on lp #344740 it sounds like you've definitely narrowed things down to the Xv patch? | 20:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 344740 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[i855] xserver-xorg-video-intel-2.6.3 : Only green window when playing movies with XV extension" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/344740 | 20:56 |
| jbarnes | (upstream fdo #20956) | 20:57 |
| albert23 | bryce: I have updated the /dev/dri/card0 permissions part on IntelPerformance | 20:57 |
| tseliot | federico1: did you review my patch? http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=568160 | 21:25 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 568160 in libgnome-desktop "Gnome Settings daemon causes high CPU usage with an expensive call" [Major,Unconfirmed] | 21:25 |
| bryce | jbarnes: yeah once that was reverted, people experiencing the crash said the problems suddenly went away | 21:33 |
| bryce | the only thing I'm scratching my head over is why the green window issue when playing Xv did not come back | 21:33 |
| bryce | albert23: excellent :-) | 21:34 |
| jbarnes | what was the patch you reverted exactly? | 21:34 |
| mnemo | there was a fix for green video included in the mesa7.4 upload | 21:34 |
| mnemo | a mesa fix | 21:34 |
| mnemo | for people seeing green video in elisa | 21:34 |
| bryce | mnemo: aha | 21:35 |
| bryce | * Disable 114_fix_xv_with_non_gem.patch: At the time we accepted it, it | 21:35 |
| bryce | sounded a little risky, so I took it on the condition that it didn't | 21:35 |
| bryce | cause regressions, which apparently we have proof that it does. | 21:35 |
| bryce | (LP: #348428) (Reopen 344740) | 21:35 |
| mnemo | bryce: this is the bug I was thinking about --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/349127 | 21:37 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 349127 in mesa "Elisa displays video with greenish/purplish colors" [High,Fix released] | 21:37 |
| mnemo | i was able to repro that bug on my intel G45 before the mesa7.4 upload | 21:37 |
| bryce | jbarnes: Eric's comment "...hopefully not anger tiny-aperture systems too much" made me uncertain about the patch to begin with. | 21:38 |
| jbarnes | yeah | 21:38 |
| bryce | mnemo: kewl, so that's one less loose end, that probably explains it. | 21:38 |
| bryce | jbarnes: btw I wrote up a page on troubleshooting freezes - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Freeze - if you know any tricks worth listing there, I'd love to add more | 21:41 |
| bryce | jbarnes: cworth told me about the new batchbuffer dump technique, which sounds pretty cool for the future | 21:42 |
| jbarnes | yeah that can be helpful | 21:42 |
| jbarnes | bryce: the biggest thing with freezes (and most bugs but especially freezes) is figuring out a way to reliably reproduce it | 21:43 |
| jbarnes | might be good to add that to the page... create a series of steps that causes the freeze reliably | 21:44 |
| jbarnes | if you can do that we'll probably be able to fix it | 21:44 |
| jbarnes | if not, it'll take awhile (like the 945 hang) | 21:44 |
| jbarnes | bryce: so reverting the one line change to i830_video.c allows fast user switching to work? | 21:44 |
| bryce | ok will add | 21:45 |
| bryce | jbarnes: correct | 21:45 |
| seb128 | is xvfb-run known to be broken? | 22:51 |
| seb128 | $ xvfb-run ls | 22:51 |
| seb128 | [: 182: Illegal number: | 22:51 |
| seb128 | xvfb-run: error: display :99 already in use | 22:51 |
| seb128 | hum | 22:55 |
| seb128 | it seems to works fine using bash | 22:55 |
| seb128 | ok, bryce broke it with his upload a week ago | 23:01 |
| seb128 | + if [ "$XVFBPID" -eq "$(</tmp/.X${SERVERNUM}-lock)" ]; then | 23:01 |
| seb128 | the $() is "" using dash | 23:02 |
| * seb128 opens bug | 23:02 | |
| seb128 | bug #357338 | 23:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 357338 in xorg-server "xvfb-run broken in jaunty using dash" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/357338 | 23:17 |
| seb128 | the change also breaks multiple runs, ie pygtk call it for python 2.5 and 2.6, it detects a running instance and breaks | 23:18 |
| jbarnes | bryce: just updated fdo #20956 (the fast user switching thing) in case you want to notify anyone | 23:38 |
| bryce | sweet | 23:40 |
| bryce | jbarnes: btw a kernel fix is going in tonight for some of the freezes on -intel that have been reported recently. dunno if those reports made it up to the upstream tracker | 23:41 |
| jbarnes | the pat related stuff? | 23:41 |
| bryce | the BCHBAR patch | 23:46 |
| jbarnes | ah ok | 23:46 |
| bryce | it's being discussed on #ubuntu-kernel presently if you'd like to listen in | 23:46 |
| jbarnes | I need to respin that one for licensing reasons... I unintentionally relicensed that code as GPL :p | 23:46 |
| jbarnes | bryce: I guess they must be done talking about it now :) | 23:48 |
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