[00:58] apachelogger: list of desktop translation files we need is now in pkg-kde-tools [00:59] apachelogger: sponsor a netbook. not sure but worth a shot, ask rick to see if he can do anything [01:02] question on kontact: if i suspend/resume kontact loses it connection to gmail and the only reason i can get it to sync back to gmail is to close kontact and open it back up, any thoughts? [01:02] apachelogger: if you don't get anyone to sponser your netbook, i will test as much as i can on my mini 9.... i'm already running jaunty on it [01:09] question: running jaunty i have not seen any update notification coming my way, only way i know there is update is to run apt-get update apt-get upgrade [01:11] jjesse: do you have update-notifier-kde running? [01:12] Riddell: don't know how would i check? [01:12] ps -ef | grep update-notifer-kde [01:12] hrmm no i don't [01:12] jjesse: do you have /var/lib/python-support/python2.6/dbus/mainloop/qt.so ? [01:13] wonder why [01:13] you may not if you upgraded from intrepid [01:14] nope i don't, and i did upgrade from intrepid [01:22] jjesse: sudo apt-get install --reinstall python-qt4-dbus should sort it [01:22] I hope mvo has fixed that upgrade bug === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [01:37] wow getting all kinds of apport crashes now that that python-qt4-dbus is reinstalled [01:47] Any ideas why the remastered CD would reboot the system just as it displays the graphical boot menu? [01:47] Or, who knows more about the LiveCD boot than I do? ;-) [01:48] kmail does not depend on akonadi? === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [01:55] intersting amarok is now reporting i need to install the mpeg plugins, but when i go install it, i'm told it is installed already [02:13] wow i must have had a lot of crashes that i didn't know about before reinstalling python-qt4-dbus [02:56] in case anyone in the future wonders how to fix the LiveCD problem: http://reconstructor.aperantis.com/index.php?option=com_joomlaboard&Itemid=44&func=view&catid=3&id=1066 [02:56] * kb9vqf wonders why reconstructor is SO buggy === santiago-pgsql is now known as santiago-ve [04:55] Riddell: I'm uploading the completed Jaunty KDE3.5 AMD64 image to my website now...what should I do next to get them (or links to them) onto the Kubuntu website? [04:57] kb9vqf: reconstructor is FOSS ? [04:57] Daskreech: Yes. It's not part of the LiveCD though, just used to create it [04:57] Daskreech: It's all written in Python [04:58] There's your problem right there [04:58] * DaskreecH trolls [04:58] Daskreech: ??? [04:58] :) [04:58] Daskreech: Ahh....don't like Python. Me either :) [04:59] C [04:59] kb9vqf: You are planning on serving them from your server ? [04:59] Daskreech: If I could get them on the Kubuntu mirrors, that would be best. Otherwise, I don't have another option [04:59] Daskreech: other than to serve them from here [04:59] ok probably want to put up a torrents as well [05:00] a set of [05:00] Daskreech: Good point. Will anyone here be able to help seed? I only have 150k up [05:00] Sure I'll help seed [05:00] * kb9vqf looks into ktorrent's abilities [05:00] :-) [05:01] Daskreech: I'll try to get torrents up in the next hour or so, if all goes well. [05:01] poke #ubuntu-motu and ask about torrent.ubuntu.com [05:02] Daskreech: I wonder if we can reclaim some of the people who jumped over to OpenSUSE and Debian [05:02] Meh :) [05:02] doesn't make much of a difference if they don't help out [05:03] If we can get people more involved I'll count it as a win [05:03] as it stands right now Kubuntu is the whipping boy for bad things in KDE Distro land [05:03] Daskreech: Well, that's what you get for running bleeding edge software ;-) [05:04] Kubuntu isn't really bleeding edge :) Certainly rough enough to bruise [05:05] Daskreech: Yeah, really it was more of an image thing because KDE4.0 wasn't mature upstream, I guess. [05:05] Daskreech: So the earliest adopter got the worst press [05:05] Yeah but we didn't ship KDE 4.0 at any time [05:05] Daskreech: Oops, I meant 4.1 [05:05] Fedora did [05:05] and everyone blamed Kubuntu [05:05] Daskreech: Odd. [05:05] Daskreech: Users. :-) [05:06] Yeah that's what I mean by Whipping boy [05:06] Daskreech: Gotcha [05:06] Ubuntu's clim to fame is polishing up things for first time users [05:07] Daskreech: You know, that's what brought me over to Kubuntu from Fedora. That and the wonderful Debian package management system [05:07] Kubuntu doesn't get near the same amount of care or manpower despite having a very large chunk of users of the the Ubuntu Family install base [05:07] If we have more users and less people working on the polish it means little [05:08] Things like mentioning KDE on ubuntu's brainstorm means it's instantly going to go into negative votes isn't helping [05:09] Jackalope looks very nice though [05:10] and having a KDE3 release will assuade people who are wary about KDE4 [05:10] Hopefully they will see the need to help with KDE3 and can jump in and help you out [05:10] Daskreech: I would really appreciate some help [05:11] Participation is really what makes FOSS strong. Having options open to you but electing to choose none of them unless someone hands them out doesn't accomplish anything [05:11] kb9vqf: Make sure to put contact info on the KDE3 CD announcement [05:11] A wiki page helps too [05:13] Yeah, good points again. I'll try to get a Wiki page on KDE3.5 together tomorrow [05:13] I'm a bit new to this whole release thing still ;-) === k4v is now known as m4v [05:16] kb9vqf: :-) Yeah there are always little things to tweak but see if you can get at least one other independent seeder and perhaps the ubuntu server as a tracker [05:25] Daskreech: I have the i386 torrent started. Here's the link: http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/cdimages/kubuntu-9.04-beta-kde3-desktop-i386.torrent [05:26] Daskreech: Let me know if it works, then I'll add the amd64 one [05:30] Doesn't work [05:30] what are you using as a tracker? [05:31] Or better what's your Net facing IP address? [05:41] Daskreech: Rats. I'm 66.114.178.133, trying to use the ubuntu tracker [05:41] Daskreech: You know, I bet I forgot my firewall ports [05:41] Daskreech: It's been a long time since I've used bittorrent [05:42] Daskreech: Be right back [05:46] Daskreech: It's not letting me...says the file is unauthorized [05:46] You uploaded the torrent to t.u.c ? [05:46] Daskreech: Nope--maybe you'd better step me through this :-) [05:47] Just a high level howto, if you don't mind [05:48] Daskreech: What is T.U.C.? [05:48] http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.utorrent.com/documentation/make-a-torrent/&ei=hSzcSfEZoo22B4DJxYUN&sa=X&oi=spellmeleon_result&resnum=1&ct=result&cd=1&usg=AFQjCNEPhAyVq4rdmtb2Lz_xEpvZyp661A [05:48] Bloody google [05:48] www.utorrent.com/documentation/make-a-torrent/ [05:48] torrentfreak.com/how-to-create-a-torrent/ [05:48] torrent.ubuntu.com [05:48] Daskreech: That's what I did [05:48] t.u.c [05:49] Daskreech: The problem is the tracker is rejecting my file [05:49] Daskreech: I am already using (or trying to use) torrent.ubuntu.com [05:50] Daskreech: I guess what I am asking instead, is "how do I get the file authorized" [05:50] Yeah I saw that but they need the .torrent to act as tracker [05:50] #ubuntu-motu [05:50] I'm downloading from you BTW [05:51] Daskreech: So my ports are open and it's working OK (except the tracker)? [05:51] I'll leave it up until the announcement goes live [05:51] Right [05:51] Daskreech: OK. I'll ask on #ubuntu-motu about the tracker then [05:51] Cool [05:51] I'll also send the amd64 link when I have it :-) [05:55] kk [06:13] Daskreech: Here's the AMD64 link: http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/cdimages/kubuntu-9.04-beta-kde3-desktop-amd64.torrent [06:14] Daskreech: I had to delete and restart the i386 torrent because I accidentally entered an incomplete tracker URL, so if you could re-download the i386 torrent file it should be fixed [06:14] * kb9vqf feels like an idiot [06:15] Daskreech: I have yet to hear from anyone on #ubuntu-motu about getting the file authorized, though [06:18] ok [06:21] Thanks for seeding, BTW. [06:21] If you feel like it, try booting one of the images up under VirtualBox or something and let me know what you think... [06:22] ok [06:24] I'm going to feel like an alien [06:25] ? [06:26] I jumped to KDE 4 a little pre KDE 4.0 [06:26] I attenended the release event so I wanted an idea what it was like [06:27] Ahh...it'll be like going back in time :-) [06:27] I've been using it ever since to pick out stuff and submit bugs etc. But up till KDE 4.1.1 everytime I went on a KDE3 machine I'd really really miss KDE3 [06:28] after that though I really couldn't imagine using KDE3 again it has better polish but KDE4 feels so much more functional [06:28] I'm going to be going up to old apps and old friends and touching them like they are in a museum :) [06:29] A little nostalgia never hurt anyone ;-) [06:34] Yeah :) PLus the polish stuff is going to be nice as well [06:34] Just going to feel very strange === blizzzek is now known as blizzz [09:35] glatzor: got my mail? [09:36] freinhard, hello. sorry, I am not about any mail from you. [09:36] freinhard, how can I help you? [09:58] glatzor: used the lp webiterface [10:30] glatzor: http://paste.ubuntu.com/146808/ [10:52] thanks freinhard. [10:54] freinhard, I will have a look at it in some minutes. In the future I would suggest to use Launchpad and open a bug agains packagekit. [10:54] freinhard, this helps a lot to notforget things [11:50] yhj [11:54] quiet here the day [11:55] not much going on, no [12:01] seems quiet everywhere today... [12:01] lull before the storm I say [12:03] Riddell: did you have time to look at the changes in kdebase-workspace in bzr ... they are starting to pile up [12:14] a|wen: oh no, let me do that [12:27] :) [13:07] if someone has a system (e.g. a virtual machine) that can reproduce #348704 I would like to generate a patch that tries to figure out at what stage the symlink goes missing. but as I can not reproduce it, I would need help [13:28] mvo: how would you generate a patch? [13:33] mvo: by the way I found testing in a chroot doesn't work at all [13:34] Riddell: I would add code to update-manager that monitors the file in each step that dpkg takes to figure out when its there and when it vanishes (yes, I'm desperate :) [13:35] how do you mean? it does not work at all in a chroot? [13:36] mvo: are we sure it vanishes ... don't it just never get created for python2.6 [13:36] mvo: I don't remember the exact error but it moaned about something when I tried a chroot [13:36] a|wen: its part of dpkg -L python-qt4-dbus [13:37] Riddell: btw, kdebase-workspace and kubuntu-default-settings need sponsoring [13:37] a|wen: it may still be never created, but even that could be monitored [13:38] JontheEchidna: already poked Riddell again about kdebase-workspace :) [13:38] Riddell: this bug really concerns me (because its probably more than just python-qt4-dbus that is potentially affected) so I would love to nail it down [13:38] a|wen: oh ;-) [13:38] mvo: your concern is appreciated, it's pretty important for us [13:38] mvo: I'll do an intrepid install and upgrade and check the problem still exists [13:39] there were a bunch of other python problem that got fixed since, so there is a chance [13:43] kdebase-workspace uploaded [13:43] JontheEchidna: ^^ :) [13:43] JontheEchidna: good work tracking down branch fixes there [13:44] Riddell: thanks :) [13:45] I hadn't even noticed some of those bugs until I saw the patches [13:45] namely the krunner combobox scrollbar background bug [13:46] JontheEchidna: don't suppose you've seen a fix for kickoff not in focus by default? [13:46] nope, but I've heard rumblings that it could be a kwin problem [13:48] if you run plasma without kwin it works according to the upstream bug ... i've already looked through all code-changes between 4.2.1 and 4.2.2 for kickoff so i know it is not a kickoff specific issue [13:48] * a|wen will be out for a bit [13:52] wha, I thought I committed those other k-d-s changes [13:54] I guess I never pushed [13:56] Riddell: I just pushed a few more k-d-s changes to bzr, sorry 'bout that [13:57] * Quintasan forgot what he was translating yesterday [13:58] JontheEchidna: that's why I prefer bzr checkout over bzr branch :) [14:00] I'll have a go at kdegraphics a bit later today. There's a few packaging bugs and a patch that we want. I'll also track down branch fixes while I'm at it [14:01] JontheEchidna: you're the man [14:02] Riddell: real quick, how should I go about getting links to the KDE3.5 livecds on the Kubuntu page? [14:03] Riddell: coincidentally that used to be the comment of my old GPG identity :P [14:07] kb9vqf: ask me or ryanakca [14:07] kb9vqf: I'd like to test it myself first before putting it on the website, but I'm pretty busy today [14:09] the kubuntu devels, my last hope! [14:10] I got a big bug in updating Kubuntu Intrepid from KDE 4.1 to 4.2 and neither #kubuntu nor #kde has any idea... [14:11] http://www.pastebin.ca/1385280 [14:13] Arminius_: I had similar problems, I removed all the packages, refreshed the package list and installed them once again. [14:14] removed all the packages???? :o :o :o [14:14] isn't that dangerous? [14:14] I mean KDE packages :D [14:14] ah [14:14] and how do you? [14:14] what lines did you put into konsole? [14:14] and is that a bug? [14:15] Arminius_: dist-upgrade isn't a supported method for upgrading between releases [14:15] Arminius_: use aptitude and seach for packages like kdm and kdebase-workspace [14:15] ok [14:15] !upgrade | Arminius_ [14:15] Arminius_: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading [14:16] * Quintasan thought he is using experimental repo [14:16] DeskreecH that is for updating Kubuntu not KDE or am I wrong? [14:17] Arminius_: Just saying thats the way to do the upgrade from one Release to another [14:17] ah ok :) [14:18] for kdm I got no matches on Adept [14:18] and [14:18] oh [14:18] looks good [14:18] wait [14:19] Arminius_: wait [14:19] ok? [14:19] You are going from Ibex to Jackalope or just installing New KDE on Ibex? [14:19] trying to update from KDE 4.1 to 4.2 on Ibex, KRandRTray is that the one to isntall? [14:20] upgrade I mean [14:20] anyone has a package of konversation kde4 port? [14:20] Arminius_: oh, 4.2 for intrepid [14:20] yeah [14:20] isn't that recommended? [14:21] Arminius_: what happens if you apt-get install kdelibs5 ? [14:21] Arminius_: You should be able to just turnon unsupported updates and remove the other repo and it should work [14:22] sec [14:23] http://www.pastebin.ca/1385985 [14:23] I get this [14:23] is KDE 4.2 unsupported? :o [14:25] Arminius_: You didn't seem to have that worry when using a external repo :) [14:26] which one? [14:26] sorry I'm a bit new to kubuntu so I might make some mistakes and sound a bit dumb... [14:26] Arminius_: can you try removing kdm with kdebase-workspace along with dependencies and then installing it once more? [14:27] I tried upgrading on Intrepid and I needed to remove all KDE related packages [14:27] Arminius_: The one you were trying to install from before [14:27] Arminius_: Welcome to Kubuntu!! [14:27] :) [14:27] :D [14:28] well :) I don't really had a look ^^ just dont want to mess up the system [14:28] ok giving it a try [14:28] just a sec... [14:30] Riddell: kdegraphics ready in bzr [14:30] Arminius_: what do you have in your sources.list ? [14:30] http://www.pastebin.ca/1385941 [14:31] ok started an upgrade [14:31] hope it will work... [14:32] I have to relog to make it work right? [14:32] Arminius_: upgrade? how? [14:32] via adpet [14:32] removed the source I added [14:32] that made all those problems [14:32] and then updated Kde workspace [14:32] there was no kdm I could find [14:32] hope it will work... [14:33] brb... [14:33] you removed: kubuntu-members-kde4 right? [14:33] hem I don't know [14:33] don't think [14:33] wait [14:33] checking [14:34] there is no such package... [14:34] Arminius_: oh, you need backports [14:34] uh oh [14:36] I back [14:36] what should I add as packages sources? [14:36] administrator_: backports [14:37] and which ones? === administrator_ is now known as Arminius_ [14:37] backports are those things you edit in sources right? [14:37] Arminius_: yes, uncomment the intrepid-backports line in sources.list [14:38] ok sec [14:40] ok uncommented [14:40] trying again... [14:42] so what should I search for now? [14:42] Arminius_: still got kubuntu-members-kde4 in sources.list ? [14:42] try a dist upgrade again [14:43] but I thought that dist upgrade wasn't for KDE? [14:43] Arminius_: it's not for upgrading between Kubuntu releases. new KDE releases should be fine. I just misunderstood what you were trying to do at first [14:44] Hmm can anyone see Semantik in KMenu? [14:44] ah ok [14:44] thanks :) [14:44] well I commented the kubuntu memebers kde [14:44] 4 [14:44] thing out... [14:44] was that right? [14:44] or shouldn't it be? [14:45] Arminius_: not if you want KDE 4.2 :) [14:45] lol ok [14:45] uncommenting ;) [14:46] Quintasan: looks like a bug, /usr/share/applications/kde4/semantik.desktop has no Exec= line [14:46] Riddell: Thanks, I'm going to fix it because it *looks* easy ;) [14:47] Riddel, looks better now but still wants to remove some packages [14:47] like kdebase-plasma and kdebase-workspace [14:47] is that ok? [14:47] Quintasan: go for it! [14:48] and python-plasma... [14:48] Arminius_: not ideal, pastebin the output? [14:48] ok sec [14:49] http://www.pastebin.ca/1386007 [14:49] there :) [14:50] Arminius_: what happens with apt-get install kdebase-workspace-bin ? [14:51] sec [14:52] http://www.pastebin.ca/1386014 [14:52] Arminius_: apt-get install libplasma3 ? [14:53] sec :) [14:54] http://www.pastebin.ca/1386018 === LjL-Temp is now known as LjL [14:54] How come I can't find *.desktop file in semantik [14:54] Arminius_: have you done apt-get update ? [14:55] ah [14:55] I did but some time ago ^^ [14:55] Arminius_: do it again [14:55] then see if libplasma3 installs [14:55] Quintasan: src/data/semantik.desktop ? [14:56] Riddell: just found it :P [14:56] http://www.pastebin.ca/1386021 [14:56] small error during update [14:57] Arminius_: that's fine [14:57] ok [14:59] http://www.pastebin.ca/1386022 [14:59] should I press Y or n? === mpt_ is now known as mpt [15:00] :s [15:02] Arminius_: hmm, no [15:02] Arminius_: apt-get install kdebase-workspace-bin ? [15:02] ok I'll press n [15:02] and do that ;) [15:02] sec :) [15:03] http://www.pastebin.ca/1386027 [15:03] there :) [15:05] Arminius_: apt-get install kdepimlibs5 ? [15:06] (I'm afraid apt has this annoying habit of not always telling you where the problem is, you have to drill down into it) [15:06] Arminius_: also apt-cache policy kdepimlibs5 [15:06] http://www.pastebin.ca/1386032 [15:07] Arminius_: apt-get install libical0 ? [15:07] http://www.pastebin.ca/1386033 [15:09] and http://www.pastebin.ca/1386034 [15:09] :s [15:09] I'm sure removing your current KDE installation (not PURGING) would help :3 [15:09] I had same problem before [15:09] sure? [15:09] ug, don't do that [15:09] what would be the command line I would have to enter? [15:09] Arminius_: can you paste your sources.list again? [15:09] ok [15:10] I cant say for 100% but it helped me [15:10] ok [15:10] libical0 should be in normal universe [15:11] http://www.pastebin.ca/1386036 [15:11] there :) [15:11] Arminius_: you need to uncomment the universe line [15:12] ah ok sorry! [15:12] apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade [15:14] only universe or also multiverse? [15:16] gonna try with both... [15:17] ok loading :) [15:17] ^^ [15:17] mvo: ok, fresh upgrade done, link isn't there [15:18] Riddell: Just got your previous reply. I can wait for you to take a look at the images (would prefer that, actually). If you prefer torrent, I created a couple and Daskreech is seeding with me, so it might be faster [15:19] * kb9vqf loves the morning commute :-P [15:20] Riddell I got this http://www.pastebin.ca/1386040 [15:20] :s [15:20] Arminius_: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [15:21] ok [15:22] http://www.pastebin.ca/1386044 [15:22] should I press Y or n ? :) [15:22] Arminius_: go for it! [15:22] WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! ... Install these packages without verification [y/N]? [15:23] Arminius_: yes [15:23] ok thanks :) [15:24] I guess compiz will be gone but I can reinstall later [15:24] I heard that in KDE 4.2 the KDE effect are better than compiz are stabler, is that true? [15:25] Arminius_: Depends on you graphics card :D [15:25] my my, can someone tell how *.install files in debian/ work? [15:25] ok [15:26] Quintasan: Very simply: they list the files to be installed, with full paths of the destination filenames [15:27] Quintasan: Anything specific you want to know? ;-) [15:27] apachelogger: I think there is a little problem with your startkde fix [15:27] kb9vqf: yeah [15:27] apachelogger: people going with dist-upgrade will still have gtk-qt-engine installed [15:28] kb9vqf: I created a *.desktop file in debian/ I should put it in *.desktop file? [15:28] (while I am waiting, I installed Qt, but couldn't find Qt creator in the package, is that normal?) [15:28] apparently the update is gonna take a few minutes ;) [15:28] kb9vqf: wrong, to *.install :P [15:29] Quintasan: What I usually do in that case is to put an "install -m644 debian/foo.desktop debian//destination/foo.desktop" line in debian/rules [15:29] Quintasan: I can look up the exact syntax [15:29] kb9vqf: I knew there is something more elgant :P [15:29] kb9vqf: thanks [15:30] Quintasan: you would be better patching the existing .desktop file [15:31] Riddell: I'm going to do it, but I wanted to try something diffrent :) [15:33] apachelogger: hum in fact I don't understand the fix, what's that supposed to change, since we drop the env script.... [15:34] Tonio_: do you know where the kdebluetooth source is in svn? [15:35] Riddell: trunk/playground/network/kbluetooth4/ [15:36] hmm, no translations [15:40] mvo: anything else you need me to do with this upgrade? [15:40] Riddell: this was a normal intrepid kubuntu install (alternate cd, live-cd?) and then a upgrade based on what instructions? [15:41] Riddell: I will try to repoduce with exactly the same setup [15:41] Riddell: and /var/lib/python-support/python2.6/dbus/mainloop/qt.so is not there, but dpkg -L python-qt4-dbus lists it? [15:41] mvo: normal install from alternate CD then upgrade with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades/Kubuntu [15:41] mvo: right (no /var/lib/python-support/python2.6/dbus/mainloop/qt.so, dpkg -L python-qt4-dbus claims otherwise) [15:42] Riddell: thanks, I will exactly this now [15:42] apachelogger: hum gtk-qt-engines recreates the script, got it now, so it only will force qtcurve if installed... well done :) [15:43] apachelogger: sorry for the doubt about the fix ! [15:44] Riddell: i386? [15:49] mvo: yes [15:56] Riddell: little problem with update-notifier-kde since xineplug_decode_ff.so path changed.... [15:56] Riddell: I'm prompted to install libxine1-ffmpeg at every boot [15:57] Riddell: isn't there another way than giving he file full path ? that can become a pain to maintain.... [15:57] Tonio_: pick another file /usr/share/doc/libxine1-ffmpeg would do [15:58] Riddell: the package status isn't enough ? [15:58] installed or not ? [15:58] * Quintasan just learned to use dpatch [16:00] Riddell: ho that's the way you get the package status ?? [16:00] Riddell: why not checking the /var/lib/dpkg/info/$packagename.list file then ? [16:00] Riddell: wouldn't that be more generic/simple ? [16:02] agateau: since you worked out on that part recently, wouldn't that make sense for you doing this way ? [16:06] ok :D process seems to be finished [16:06] do I have to restart or just relog myself to "activate" the update? [16:08]