[00:58] <Riddell> apachelogger: list of desktop translation files we need is now in pkg-kde-tools
[00:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: sponsor a netbook.  not sure but worth a shot, ask rick to see if he can do anything
[01:02] <jjesse> question on kontact:  if i suspend/resume kontact loses it connection to gmail and the only reason i can get it to sync back to gmail is to close kontact and open it back up, any thoughts?
[01:02] <jjesse> apachelogger: if you don't get anyone to sponser your netbook, i will test as much as i can on my mini 9.... i'm already running jaunty on it
[01:09] <jjesse> question:  running jaunty i have not seen any update notification coming my way, only way i know there is update is to run apt-get update apt-get upgrade
[01:11] <Riddell> jjesse: do you have update-notifier-kde running?
[01:12] <jjesse> Riddell: don't know how would i check?
[01:12] <Riddell> ps -ef | grep update-notifer-kde
[01:12] <jjesse> hrmm no i don't
[01:12] <Riddell> jjesse: do you have  /var/lib/python-support/python2.6/dbus/mainloop/qt.so  ?
[01:13] <jjesse> wonder why
[01:13] <Riddell> you may not if you upgraded from intrepid
[01:14] <jjesse> nope i don't, and i did upgrade from intrepid
[01:22] <Riddell> jjesse: sudo apt-get install --reinstall python-qt4-dbus  should sort it
[01:22] <Riddell> I hope mvo has fixed that upgrade bug
[01:37] <jjesse> wow getting all kinds of apport crashes now that that python-qt4-dbus is reinstalled
[01:47] <kb9vqf> Any ideas why the remastered CD would reboot the system just as it displays the graphical boot menu?
[01:47] <kb9vqf> Or, who knows more about the LiveCD boot than I do? ;-)
[01:48] <freinhard> kmail does not depend on akonadi?
[01:55] <jjesse> intersting amarok is now reporting i need to install the mpeg plugins, but when i go install it, i'm told it is installed already
[02:13] <jjesse> wow i must have had a lot of crashes that i didn't know about before reinstalling python-qt4-dbus
[02:56] <kb9vqf> in case anyone in the future wonders how to fix the LiveCD problem: http://reconstructor.aperantis.com/index.php?option=com_joomlaboard&Itemid=44&func=view&catid=3&id=1066
[02:56]  * kb9vqf wonders why reconstructor is SO buggy
[04:55] <kb9vqf> Riddell: I'm uploading the completed Jaunty KDE3.5 AMD64 image to my website now...what should I do next to get them (or links to them) onto the Kubuntu website?
[04:57] <DaskreecH> kb9vqf: reconstructor is FOSS ?
[04:57] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: Yes.  It's not part of the LiveCD though, just used to create it
[04:57] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: It's all written in Python
[04:58] <DaskreecH> There's your problem right there
[04:58]  * DaskreecH trolls
[04:58] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: ???
[04:58] <DaskreecH> :)
[04:58] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: Ahh....don't like Python.  Me either :)
[04:59] <kb9vqf> C
[04:59] <DaskreecH> kb9vqf: You are planning on serving them from your server ?
[04:59] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: If I could get them on the Kubuntu mirrors, that would be best.  Otherwise, I don't have another option
[04:59] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: other than to serve them from here
[04:59] <DaskreecH> ok probably want to put up a torrents as well
[05:00] <DaskreecH> a set of
[05:00] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: Good point.  Will anyone here be able to help seed?  I only have 150k up
[05:00] <DaskreecH> Sure I'll help seed
[05:00]  * kb9vqf looks into ktorrent's abilities
[05:00] <DaskreecH> :-)
[05:01] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: I'll try to get torrents up in the next hour or so, if all goes well.
[05:01] <DaskreecH> poke #ubuntu-motu and ask about torrent.ubuntu.com
[05:02] <kb9vqf> Daskreech:  I wonder if we can reclaim some of the people who jumped over to OpenSUSE and Debian
[05:02] <DaskreecH> Meh :)
[05:02] <DaskreecH> doesn't make much of a difference if they don't help out
[05:03] <DaskreecH> If we can get people more involved I'll count it as a win
[05:03] <DaskreecH> as it stands right now Kubuntu is the whipping boy for bad things in KDE Distro land
[05:03] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: Well, that's what you get for running bleeding edge software ;-)
[05:04] <DaskreecH> Kubuntu isn't really bleeding edge :) Certainly rough enough to bruise
[05:05] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: Yeah, really it was more of an image thing because KDE4.0 wasn't mature upstream, I guess.
[05:05] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: So the earliest adopter got the worst press
[05:05] <DaskreecH> Yeah but we didn't ship KDE 4.0 at any time
[05:05] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: Oops, I meant 4.1
[05:05] <DaskreecH> Fedora did
[05:05] <DaskreecH> and everyone blamed Kubuntu
[05:05] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: Odd.
[05:05] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: Users. :-)
[05:06] <DaskreecH> Yeah that's what I mean by Whipping boy
[05:06] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: Gotcha
[05:06] <DaskreecH> Ubuntu's clim to fame is polishing up things for first time users
[05:07] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: You know, that's what brought me over to Kubuntu from Fedora.  That and the wonderful Debian package management system
[05:07] <DaskreecH> Kubuntu doesn't get near the same amount of care or manpower despite having a very large chunk of users of the the Ubuntu Family install base
[05:07] <DaskreecH>  If we have more users and less people working on the polish it means little
[05:08] <DaskreecH> Things like mentioning KDE on ubuntu's brainstorm means it's instantly going to go into negative votes isn't helping
[05:09] <DaskreecH> Jackalope looks very nice though
[05:10] <DaskreecH> and having a KDE3 release will assuade people who are wary about KDE4
[05:10] <DaskreecH> Hopefully they will see the need to help with KDE3 and can jump in and help you out
[05:10] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: I would really appreciate some help
[05:11] <DaskreecH> Participation is really what makes FOSS strong. Having options open to you but electing to choose none of them unless someone hands them out doesn't accomplish anything
[05:11] <DaskreecH> kb9vqf: Make sure to put contact info on  the KDE3 CD announcement
[05:11] <DaskreecH> A wiki page helps too
[05:13] <kb9vqf> Yeah, good points again.  I'll try to get a Wiki page on KDE3.5 together tomorrow
[05:13] <kb9vqf> I'm a bit new to this whole release thing still ;-)
[05:16] <DaskreecH> kb9vqf: :-) Yeah there are always little things to tweak but see if you can get at least one other independent seeder and perhaps the ubuntu server as a tracker
[05:25] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: I have the i386 torrent started.  Here's the link: http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/cdimages/kubuntu-9.04-beta-kde3-desktop-i386.torrent
[05:26] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: Let me know if it works, then I'll add the amd64 one
[05:30] <DaskreecH> Doesn't work
[05:30] <DaskreecH> what are you using as a tracker?
[05:31] <DaskreecH> Or better what's your Net facing IP address?
[05:41] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: Rats.  I'm 66.114.178.133, trying to use the ubuntu tracker
[05:41] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: You know, I bet I forgot my firewall ports
[05:41] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: It's been a long time since I've used bittorrent
[05:42] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: Be right back
[05:46] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: It's not letting me...says the file is unauthorized
[05:46] <DaskreecH> You uploaded the torrent to t.u.c ?
[05:46] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: Nope--maybe you'd better step me through this :-)
[05:47] <kb9vqf> Just a high level howto, if you don't mind
[05:48] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: What is T.U.C.?
[05:48] <DaskreecH> http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.utorrent.com/documentation/make-a-torrent/&ei=hSzcSfEZoo22B4DJxYUN&sa=X&oi=spellmeleon_result&resnum=1&ct=result&cd=1&usg=AFQjCNEPhAyVq4rdmtb2Lz_xEpvZyp661A
[05:48] <DaskreecH> Bloody google
[05:48] <DaskreecH> www.utorrent.com/documentation/make-a-torrent/
[05:48] <DaskreecH> torrentfreak.com/how-to-create-a-torrent/
[05:48] <DaskreecH> torrent.ubuntu.com
[05:48] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: That's what I did
[05:48] <DaskreecH> t.u.c
[05:49] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: The problem is the tracker is rejecting my file
[05:49] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: I am already using (or trying to use) torrent.ubuntu.com
[05:50] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: I guess what I am asking instead, is "how do I get the file authorized"
[05:50] <DaskreecH> Yeah I saw that but they need the .torrent to act as tracker
[05:50] <DaskreecH> #ubuntu-motu
[05:50] <DaskreecH> I'm downloading from you BTW
[05:51] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: So my ports are open and it's working OK (except the tracker)?
[05:51] <DaskreecH> I'll leave it up until the announcement goes live
[05:51] <DaskreecH> Right
[05:51] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: OK.  I'll ask on #ubuntu-motu about the tracker then
[05:51] <DaskreecH> Cool
[05:51] <kb9vqf> I'll also send the amd64 link when I have it :-)
[05:55] <DaskreecH> kk
[06:13] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: Here's the AMD64 link: http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/cdimages/kubuntu-9.04-beta-kde3-desktop-amd64.torrent
[06:14] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: I had to delete and restart the i386 torrent because I accidentally entered an incomplete tracker URL, so if you could re-download the i386 torrent file it should be fixed
[06:14]  * kb9vqf feels like an idiot
[06:15] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: I have yet to hear from anyone on #ubuntu-motu about getting the file authorized, though
[06:18] <DaskreecH> ok
[06:21] <kb9vqf> Thanks for seeding, BTW.
[06:21] <kb9vqf> If you feel like it, try booting one of the images up under VirtualBox or something and let me know what you think...
[06:22] <DaskreecH> ok
[06:24] <DaskreecH> I'm going to feel like an alien
[06:25] <kb9vqf> ?
[06:26] <DaskreecH> I jumped to KDE 4 a little pre KDE 4.0
[06:26] <DaskreecH> I attenended the release event so I wanted an idea what it was like
[06:27] <kb9vqf> Ahh...it'll be like going back in time :-)
[06:27] <DaskreecH> I've been using it ever since to pick out stuff and submit bugs etc. But up till KDE 4.1.1 everytime I went on a KDE3 machine I'd really really miss KDE3
[06:28] <DaskreecH> after that though I really couldn't imagine using KDE3 again it has better polish but KDE4 feels so much more functional
[06:28] <DaskreecH> I'm going to be going up to old apps and old friends and touching them like they are in a museum :)
[06:29] <kb9vqf> A little nostalgia never hurt anyone ;-)
[06:34] <DaskreecH> Yeah :) PLus the polish stuff is going to be nice as well
[06:34] <DaskreecH> Just going to feel very strange
[09:35] <freinhard> glatzor: got my mail?
[09:36] <glatzor> freinhard, hello. sorry, I am not about any mail from you.
[09:36] <glatzor> freinhard, how can I help you?
[09:58] <freinhard> glatzor: used the lp webiterface
[10:30] <freinhard> glatzor: http://paste.ubuntu.com/146808/
[10:52] <glatzor> thanks freinhard.
[10:54] <glatzor> freinhard, I will have a look at it in some minutes. In the future I would suggest to use Launchpad and open a bug agains packagekit.
[10:54] <glatzor> freinhard, this helps a lot to notforget things
[11:50] <Quintasan> yhj
[11:54] <Riddell> quiet here the day
[11:55] <a|wen> not much going on, no
[12:01] <jussi01> seems quiet everywhere today...
[12:01] <jussi01> lull before the storm I say
[12:03] <a|wen> Riddell: did you have time to look at the changes in kdebase-workspace in bzr ... they are starting to pile up
[12:14] <Riddell> a|wen: oh no, let me do that
[12:27] <a|wen> :)
[13:07] <mvo> if someone has a system (e.g. a virtual machine) that can reproduce #348704 I would like to generate a patch that tries to figure out at what stage the symlink goes missing. but as I can not reproduce it, I would need help
[13:28] <Riddell> mvo: how would you generate a patch?
[13:33] <Riddell> mvo: by the way I found testing in a chroot doesn't work at all
[13:34] <mvo> Riddell: I would add code to update-manager that monitors the file in each step that dpkg takes to figure out when its there and when it vanishes (yes, I'm desperate :)
[13:35] <mvo> how do you mean? it does not work at all in a chroot?
[13:36] <a|wen> mvo: are we sure it vanishes ... don't it just never get created for python2.6
[13:36] <Riddell> mvo: I don't remember the exact error but it moaned about something when I tried a chroot
[13:36] <mvo> a|wen: its part of dpkg -L python-qt4-dbus
[13:37] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: btw, kdebase-workspace and kubuntu-default-settings need sponsoring
[13:37] <mvo> a|wen: it may still be never created, but even that could be monitored
[13:38] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: already poked Riddell again about kdebase-workspace :)
[13:38] <mvo> Riddell: this bug really concerns me (because its probably more than just python-qt4-dbus that is potentially affected) so I would love to nail it down
[13:38] <JontheEchidna> a|wen: oh ;-)
[13:38] <Riddell> mvo: your concern is appreciated, it's pretty important for us
[13:38] <Riddell> mvo: I'll do an intrepid install and upgrade and check the problem still exists
[13:39] <mvo> there were a bunch of other python problem that got fixed since, so there is a chance
[13:43] <Riddell> kdebase-workspace uploaded
[13:43] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: ^^ :)
[13:43] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: good work tracking down branch fixes there
[13:44] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: thanks :)
[13:45] <JontheEchidna> I hadn't even noticed some of those bugs until I saw the patches
[13:45] <JontheEchidna> namely the krunner combobox scrollbar background bug
[13:46] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: don't suppose you've seen a fix for kickoff not in focus by default?
[13:46] <JontheEchidna> nope, but I've heard rumblings that it could be a kwin problem
[13:48] <a|wen> if you run plasma without kwin it works according to the upstream bug ... i've already looked through all code-changes between 4.2.1 and 4.2.2 for kickoff so i know it is not a kickoff specific issue
[13:48]  * a|wen will be out for a bit
[13:52] <JontheEchidna> wha, I thought I committed those other k-d-s changes
[13:54] <JontheEchidna> I guess I never pushed
[13:56] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I just pushed a few more k-d-s changes to bzr, sorry 'bout that
[13:57]  * Quintasan forgot what he was translating yesterday
[13:58] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: that's why I prefer bzr checkout over bzr branch :)
[14:00] <JontheEchidna> I'll have a go at kdegraphics a bit later today. There's a few packaging bugs and a patch that we want. I'll also track down branch fixes while I'm at it
[14:01] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: you're the man
[14:02] <kb9vqf> Riddell: real quick, how should I go about getting links to the KDE3.5 livecds on the Kubuntu page?
[14:03] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: coincidentally that used to be the comment of my old GPG identity :P
[14:07] <Riddell> kb9vqf: ask me or ryanakca
[14:07] <Riddell> kb9vqf: I'd like to test it myself first before putting it on the website, but I'm pretty busy today
[14:09] <Arminius_> the kubuntu devels, my last hope!
[14:10] <Arminius_> I got a big bug in updating Kubuntu Intrepid from KDE 4.1 to 4.2 and neither #kubuntu nor #kde has any idea...
[14:11] <Arminius_> http://www.pastebin.ca/1385280
[14:13] <Quintasan> Arminius_: I had similar problems, I removed all the packages, refreshed the package list and installed them once again.
[14:14] <Arminius_> removed all the packages???? :o :o :o
[14:14] <Arminius_> isn't that dangerous?
[14:14] <Quintasan> I mean KDE packages :D
[14:14] <Arminius_> ah
[14:14] <Arminius_> and how do you?
[14:14] <Arminius_> what lines did you put into konsole?
[14:14] <Arminius_> and is that a bug?
[14:15] <Riddell> Arminius_: dist-upgrade isn't a supported method for upgrading between releases
[14:15] <Quintasan> Arminius_: use aptitude and seach for packages like kdm and kdebase-workspace
[14:15] <Arminius_> ok
[14:15] <DaskreecH> !upgrade | Arminius_
[14:16]  * Quintasan thought he is using experimental repo
[14:16] <Arminius_> DeskreecH that is for updating Kubuntu not KDE or am I wrong?
[14:17] <DaskreecH> Arminius_: Just saying thats the way to do the upgrade from one Release to another
[14:17] <Arminius_> ah ok :)
[14:18] <Arminius_> for kdm I got no matches on Adept
[14:18] <Arminius_> and
[14:18] <Arminius_> oh
[14:18] <Arminius_> looks good
[14:18] <Arminius_> wait
[14:19] <DaskreecH> Arminius_: wait
[14:19] <Arminius_> ok?
[14:19] <DaskreecH> You are going from Ibex to Jackalope or just installing New KDE on Ibex?
[14:19] <Arminius_> trying to update from KDE 4.1 to 4.2 on Ibex,  KRandRTray is that the one to isntall?
[14:20] <Arminius_> upgrade I mean
[14:20] <Quintasan> anyone has a package of konversation kde4 port?
[14:20] <Riddell> Arminius_: oh, 4.2 for intrepid
[14:20] <Arminius_> yeah
[14:20] <Arminius_> isn't that recommended?
[14:21] <Riddell> Arminius_: what happens if you   apt-get install kdelibs5  ?
[14:21] <DaskreecH> Arminius_: You should be able to just turnon unsupported updates and remove the other repo and it should work
[14:22] <Arminius_> sec
[14:23] <Arminius_> http://www.pastebin.ca/1385985
[14:23] <Arminius_> I get this
[14:23] <Arminius_> is KDE 4.2 unsupported? :o
[14:25] <DaskreecH> Arminius_: You didn't seem to have that worry when using a external repo :)
[14:26] <Arminius_> which one?
[14:26] <Arminius_> sorry I'm a bit new to kubuntu so I might make some mistakes and sound a bit dumb...
[14:26] <Quintasan> Arminius_: can you try removing kdm with kdebase-workspace along with dependencies and then installing it once more?
[14:27] <Quintasan> I tried upgrading on Intrepid and I needed to remove all KDE related packages
[14:27] <DaskreecH> Arminius_: The one you were trying to install from before
[14:27] <DaskreecH> Arminius_: Welcome to Kubuntu!!
[14:27] <DaskreecH> :)
[14:27] <Quintasan> :D
[14:28] <Arminius_> well :) I don't really had a look ^^ just dont want to mess up the system
[14:28] <Arminius_> ok giving it a try
[14:28] <Arminius_> just a sec...
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: kdegraphics ready in bzr
[14:30] <Riddell> Arminius_: what do you have in your sources.list ?
[14:30] <Arminius_> http://www.pastebin.ca/1385941
[14:31] <Arminius_> ok started an upgrade
[14:31] <Arminius_> hope it will work...
[14:32] <Arminius_> I have to relog to make it work right?
[14:32] <Riddell> Arminius_: upgrade?  how?
[14:32] <Arminius_> via adpet
[14:32] <Arminius_> removed the source I added
[14:32] <Arminius_> that made all those problems
[14:32] <Arminius_> and then updated Kde workspace
[14:32] <Arminius_> there was no kdm I could find
[14:32] <Arminius_> hope it will work...
[14:33] <Arminius_> brb...
[14:33] <Quintasan> you removed: kubuntu-members-kde4 right?
[14:33] <Arminius_> hem I don't know
[14:33] <Arminius_> don't think
[14:33] <Arminius_> wait
[14:33] <Arminius_> checking
[14:34] <Arminius_> there is no such package...
[14:34] <Riddell> Arminius_: oh, you need backports
[14:34] <Riddell> uh oh
[14:36] <administrator_> I back
[14:36] <administrator_> what should I add as packages sources?
[14:36] <Riddell> administrator_: backports
[14:37] <administrator_> and which ones?
[14:37] <Arminius_> backports are those things you edit in sources right?
[14:37] <Riddell> Arminius_: yes, uncomment the intrepid-backports line in sources.list
[14:38] <Arminius_> ok sec
[14:40] <Arminius_> ok uncommented
[14:40] <Arminius_> trying again...
[14:42] <Arminius_> so what should I search for now?
[14:42] <Riddell> Arminius_: still got kubuntu-members-kde4 in sources.list ?
[14:42] <Riddell> try a dist upgrade again
[14:43] <Arminius_> but I thought that dist upgrade wasn't for KDE?
[14:43] <Riddell> Arminius_: it's not for upgrading between Kubuntu releases.  new KDE releases should be fine.  I just misunderstood what you were trying to do at first
[14:44] <Quintasan> Hmm can anyone see Semantik in KMenu?
[14:44] <Arminius_> ah ok
[14:44] <Arminius_> thanks :)
[14:44] <Arminius_> well I commented the kubuntu memebers kde
[14:44] <Arminius_> 4
[14:44] <Arminius_> thing out...
[14:44] <Arminius_> was that right?
[14:44] <Arminius_> or shouldn't it be?
[14:45] <Riddell> Arminius_: not if you want KDE 4.2 :)
[14:45] <Arminius_> lol ok
[14:45] <Arminius_> uncommenting ;)
[14:46] <Riddell> Quintasan: looks like a bug, /usr/share/applications/kde4/semantik.desktop has no Exec= line
[14:46] <Quintasan> Riddell: Thanks, I'm going to fix it because it *looks* easy ;)
[14:47] <Arminius_> Riddel, looks better now but still wants to remove some packages
[14:47] <Arminius_> like kdebase-plasma and kdebase-workspace
[14:47] <Arminius_> is that ok?
[14:47] <Riddell> Quintasan: go for it!
[14:48] <Arminius_> and python-plasma...
[14:48] <Riddell> Arminius_: not ideal, pastebin the output?
[14:48] <Arminius_> ok sec
[14:49] <Arminius_> http://www.pastebin.ca/1386007
[14:49] <Arminius_> there :)
[14:50] <Riddell> Arminius_: what happens with   apt-get install kdebase-workspace-bin  ?
[14:51] <Arminius_> sec
[14:52] <Arminius_> http://www.pastebin.ca/1386014
[14:52] <Riddell> Arminius_: apt-get install libplasma3  ?
[14:53] <Arminius_> sec :)
[14:54] <Arminius_> http://www.pastebin.ca/1386018
[14:54] <Quintasan> How come I can't find *.desktop file in semantik
[14:54] <Riddell> Arminius_: have you done   apt-get update ?
[14:55] <Quintasan> ah
[14:55] <Arminius_> I did but some time ago ^^
[14:55] <Riddell> Arminius_: do it again
[14:55] <Riddell> then see if libplasma3 installs
[14:55] <Riddell> Quintasan: src/data/semantik.desktop ?
[14:56] <Quintasan> Riddell: just found it :P
[14:56] <Arminius_> http://www.pastebin.ca/1386021
[14:56] <Arminius_> small error during update
[14:57] <Riddell> Arminius_: that's fine
[14:57] <Arminius_> ok
[14:59] <Arminius_> http://www.pastebin.ca/1386022
[14:59] <Arminius_> should I press Y or n?
[15:00] <Arminius_> :s
[15:02] <Riddell> Arminius_: hmm, no
[15:02] <Riddell> Arminius_: apt-get install kdebase-workspace-bin  ?
[15:02] <Arminius_> ok I'll press n
[15:02] <Arminius_> and do that ;)
[15:02] <Arminius_> sec :)
[15:03] <Arminius_> http://www.pastebin.ca/1386027
[15:03] <Arminius_> there :)
[15:05] <Riddell> Arminius_: apt-get install kdepimlibs5  ?
[15:06] <Riddell> (I'm afraid apt has this annoying habit of not always telling you where the problem is, you have to drill down into it)
[15:06] <Riddell> Arminius_: also   apt-cache policy kdepimlibs5
[15:06] <Arminius_> http://www.pastebin.ca/1386032
[15:07] <Riddell> Arminius_: apt-get install libical0  ?
[15:07] <Arminius_> http://www.pastebin.ca/1386033
[15:09] <Arminius_> and http://www.pastebin.ca/1386034
[15:09] <Arminius_> :s
[15:09] <Quintasan> I'm sure removing your current KDE installation (not PURGING) would help :3
[15:09] <Quintasan> I had same problem before
[15:09] <Arminius_> sure?
[15:09] <Riddell> ug, don't do that
[15:09] <Arminius_> what would be the command line I would have to enter?
[15:09] <Riddell> Arminius_: can you paste your sources.list again?
[15:09] <Arminius_> ok
[15:10] <Quintasan> I cant say for 100% but it helped me
[15:10] <Arminius_> ok
[15:10] <Riddell> libical0 should be in normal universe
[15:11] <Arminius_> http://www.pastebin.ca/1386036
[15:11] <Arminius_> there :)
[15:11] <Riddell> Arminius_: you need to uncomment the universe line
[15:12] <Arminius_> ah ok sorry!
[15:12] <Riddell> apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:14] <Arminius_> only universe or also multiverse?
[15:16] <Arminius_> gonna try with both...
[15:17] <Arminius_> ok loading :)
[15:17] <Arminius_> ^^
[15:17] <Riddell> mvo: ok, fresh upgrade done, link isn't there
[15:18] <kb9vqf> Riddell: Just got your previous reply.  I can wait for you to take a look at the images (would prefer that, actually).  If you prefer torrent, I created a couple and Daskreech is seeding with me, so it might be faster
[15:19]  * kb9vqf loves the morning commute :-P
[15:20] <Arminius_> Riddell I got this http://www.pastebin.ca/1386040
[15:20] <Arminius_> :s
[15:20] <Riddell> Arminius_: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:21] <Arminius_> ok
[15:22] <Arminius_> http://www.pastebin.ca/1386044
[15:22] <Arminius_> should I press Y or n ? :)
[15:22] <Riddell> Arminius_: go for it!
[15:22] <Arminius_> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! ... Install these packages without verification [y/N]?
[15:23] <Riddell> Arminius_: yes
[15:23] <Arminius_> ok thanks :)
[15:24] <Arminius_> I guess compiz will be gone but I can reinstall later
[15:24] <Arminius_> I heard that in KDE 4.2  the KDE effect are better than compiz are stabler, is that true?
[15:25] <Quintasan> Arminius_: Depends on you graphics card :D
[15:25] <Quintasan> my my, can someone tell how *.install files in debian/ work?
[15:25] <Arminius_> ok
[15:26] <kb9vqf> Quintasan: Very simply: they list the files to be installed, with full paths of the destination filenames
[15:27] <kb9vqf> Quintasan: Anything specific you want to know? ;-)
[15:27] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I think there is a little problem with your startkde fix
[15:27] <Quintasan> kb9vqf: yeah
[15:27] <Tonio_> apachelogger: people going with dist-upgrade will still have gtk-qt-engine installed
[15:28] <Quintasan> kb9vqf: I created a *.desktop file in debian/  I should put it in *.desktop file?
[15:28] <Arminius_> (while I am waiting, I installed Qt, but couldn't find Qt creator in the package, is that normal?)
[15:28] <Arminius_> apparently the update is gonna take a few minutes ;)
[15:28] <Quintasan> kb9vqf: wrong, to *.install :P
[15:29] <kb9vqf> Quintasan: What I usually do in that case is to put an "install -m644 debian/foo.desktop debian/<package-name>/destination/foo.desktop" line in debian/rules
[15:29] <kb9vqf> Quintasan: I can look up the exact syntax
[15:29] <Quintasan> kb9vqf: I knew there is something more elgant :P
[15:29] <Quintasan> kb9vqf: thanks
[15:30] <Riddell> Quintasan: you would be better patching the existing .desktop file
[15:31] <Quintasan> Riddell: I'm going to do it, but I wanted to try something diffrent :)
[15:33] <Tonio_> apachelogger: hum in fact I don't understand the fix, what's that supposed to change, since we drop the env script....
[15:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: do you know where the kdebluetooth source is in svn?
[15:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: trunk/playground/network/kbluetooth4/
[15:36] <Riddell> hmm, no translations
[15:40] <Riddell> mvo: anything else you need me to do with this upgrade?
[15:40] <mvo> Riddell: this was a normal intrepid kubuntu install (alternate cd, live-cd?) and then a upgrade based on what instructions?
[15:41] <mvo> Riddell: I will try to repoduce with exactly the same setup
[15:41] <mvo> Riddell: and /var/lib/python-support/python2.6/dbus/mainloop/qt.so is not there, but dpkg -L python-qt4-dbus lists it?
[15:41] <Riddell> mvo: normal install from alternate CD then upgrade with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades/Kubuntu
[15:41] <Riddell> mvo: right (no /var/lib/python-support/python2.6/dbus/mainloop/qt.so, dpkg -L python-qt4-dbus claims otherwise)
[15:42] <mvo> Riddell: thanks, I will exactly this now
[15:42] <Tonio_> apachelogger: hum gtk-qt-engines recreates the script, got it now, so it only will force qtcurve if installed... well done :)
[15:43] <Tonio_> apachelogger: sorry for the doubt about the fix !
[15:44] <mvo> Riddell: i386?
[15:49] <Riddell> mvo: yes
[15:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: little problem with update-notifier-kde since xineplug_decode_ff.so path changed....
[15:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm prompted to install libxine1-ffmpeg at every boot
[15:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: isn't there another way than giving he file full path ? that can become a pain to maintain....
[15:57] <Riddell> Tonio_: pick another file  /usr/share/doc/libxine1-ffmpeg would do
[15:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: the package status isn't enough ?
[15:58] <Tonio_> installed or not ?
[15:58]  * Quintasan just learned to use dpatch
[16:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: ho that's the way you get the package status ??
[16:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: why not checking the /var/lib/dpkg/info/$packagename.list file then ?
[16:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: wouldn't that be more generic/simple ?
[16:02] <Tonio_> agateau: since you worked out on that part recently, wouldn't that make sense for you doing this way ?
[16:06] <Arminius_> ok :D process seems to be finished
[16:06] <Arminius_> do I have to restart or just relog myself to "activate" the update?
[16:08] <tsimpson> ArmedGeek: QtCreator isn't in intrepid (as it needs Qt4.5)
[16:08] <tsimpson> erm Arminius_ not ArmedGeek ;)
[16:08] <Arminius_> ah ok
[16:08] <Arminius_> thanks :)
[16:09] <Arminius_> a lot ;)
[16:09] <tsimpson> the download from qtsoftware.com works fine though
[16:09] <Arminius_> ok
[16:09]  * tsimpson uses it
[16:09] <Arminius_> I am just used to IDE / RAD
[16:09] <Arminius_> so using designer insn't easy
[16:10] <tsimpson> designer isn't an IDE
[16:10] <tsimpson> it's a form designer
[16:10] <Arminius_> yeah
[16:10] <Arminius_> I was always used to Delphi's great RAD IDE
[16:10] <Arminius_> ^^
[16:10] <Arminius_> but Kylix and Lazarus are reaaaaaaaaaaally buggi
[16:11] <Arminius_> tsimpsons after a KDE update do I have to reboot or just login/logout?
[16:11] <tsimpson> just jogout/in
[16:11] <Arminius_> ok
[16:11] <Arminius_> thanks
[16:12] <Arminius_> brb ;=
[16:12] <Arminius_> )
[16:16] <administrator_> back
[16:17] <Arminius_> update looks fine  just a problem
[16:17] <Arminius_> I don't have any borders for my windows anymore...
[16:17] <Arminius_> any idea why?
[16:22] <tsimpson> did you have compiz installed?
[16:22] <tsimpson> try running "kwin --replace" to get kwin running
[16:22] <Arminius_> ok
[16:23] <Arminius_> yeah works now :)
[16:24] <Arminius_> but will Kompiz not work anymore?
[16:24] <Arminius_> but hey when I close the konsole it comes back to the old thing :s
[16:25] <Arminius_> I mean showed it shortly but now I got the same problem again...
[16:27] <tsimpson> compiz can work, but it sucks
[16:27] <tsimpson> and what do you mean about konsole?
[16:28] <Arminius_> well I started konsole
[16:29] <Arminius_> I entered kwin --replace
[16:29] <tsimpson> use alt-f2
[16:29] <Arminius_> I answered X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3
[16:29] <Arminius_> that shortcut doesn't work anymore :'(
[16:29] <Arminius_>  Major opcode: 20 (X_GetProperty)
[16:30] <Arminius_> Resource id:  0x4a000b5
[16:30] <Arminius_> but the problem is solved
[16:30] <Arminius_> then when I close console, the problem comes back...
[16:31] <tsimpson> try with "kdeinit4_wrapper kwin --replace"
[16:31] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: ping
[16:34] <administrator_> back
[16:34] <administrator_> sorry
[16:35] <administrator_> completly blocked
[16:35] <administrator_> :s
[16:47] <agateau> Tonio_: It would be better from a maintenance point of view. I must confess I did not check if it were possible to do and just stuck to the existing code (sorry for the late answer, Quassel does not popup when i run kde trunk :/)
[16:48] <Tonio_> agateau: and also we would then only need 2 parameters and not 3
[16:49] <Tonio_> agateau: I'll submit the idea to Riddell :)
[16:50] <Tonio_> agateau: for the moment I just statically fixed with the new path...
[16:50] <agateau> Tonio_: sounds good
[17:21] <Tonio_> hum, kopete notification actions seems to be broken here, nothing happens on click
[17:21] <Tonio_> did someone notice this ?
[17:22]  * Tonio_ calls for Mr Malone....
[17:22] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna ?
[17:22] <Quintasan> Tonio_: works here
[17:22] <Tonio_> Quintasan: oki that's just me then...
[17:22] <reisi> has anyone noticed that on kubuntu-alternative-amd64.iso there are a lot of packages with corrupt hashes?
[17:23] <reisi> for the jaunty beta i mean
[17:26] <reisi> err actually it was caused because of read errors, false alarm
[17:28] <a|wen> Tonio_: same problem for me with kopete notifications
[17:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes checking for /var/lib/dpkg/info/$package.list is probably fine, but keep in mind we're two days from freeze so code changes should be minimal
[17:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: it's a matter of 2 lins I guess
[17:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll write the patch toonight if you want
[17:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: for validation...
[17:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: I also have to spend time on kdesudo for one critical bug, as we have a command line option missing for kdesu compatibility
[17:32] <Riddell> line 400 is where it gets used
[17:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll probably have to fake it for now before doing this the right way
[17:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: noted the line, I have to go right now... be back toonight
[17:56] <Riddell> sign, back to > 500 unread e-mail messages
[17:57] <Riddell> sigh
[17:58] <davmor2> Riddell: could be worse could have another 0 on the end
[18:00] <mvo> Riddell: *wooahh* I can reproduce it (the missing qt.so). that is half-way to the fix now (I hope!)
[18:01] <Riddell> mvo: what did you have to do different?
[18:02] <mvo> Riddell: followed your instructions step by step. before I was using a vmbuilder build image and a ubuntu install that I added kubuntu-desktop to
[18:13] <blizzz> i have no sound in flash videos. is this a known bug?
[18:14] <DaskreecH> blizzz: kill the nsplugin process and restart it that seems to fix it for me
[18:16] <blizzz> DaskreecH: did not work here
[18:16] <DaskreecH> WEll it nly happened to me last night so I'm not really expereinced with it :)
[18:17] <DaskreecH> normally no sound works at all
[18:17] <DaskreecH> not just flash
[18:17] <blizzz> at least for amarok sound is not a problem here
[18:21] <blizzz> some flash videos stop playing after few seconds
[18:22] <DaskreecH> reinstall flash?
[18:23] <blizzz> will try this
[18:24] <blizzz> btw, sound works in dragon player for me
[18:24] <blizzz> however, amarok and dragon suggest to install mpeg plugins, but clicking on "install selected" leads to the message that they are installed already
[18:27] <DaskreecH> Riddell: what is valid for torrent.ubuntu.com
[18:28] <apachelogger> Tonio_: upon upgrade it will not force qtcurve on the user (I think at least) ... the problem is that we can't differ between left-over gtk-engine-qt and user-choice ... besides, update-manager recommends to nuke gtk-engine-qt because it dropped to universe AFAIK at least
[18:29] <Tonio_> apachelogger: yep, I re-read the patches and understood the purpose of it
[18:29] <Tonio_> apachelogger: seems fine with me :)
[18:29] <blizzz> reinstalling flash did not help, renaming .adobe either :(
[18:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: re desktop file stuff - still I would feel uncomfortable if we forgot something
[18:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: re sponsoring - which rick would that be? :)
[18:30] <apachelogger> Tonio_: ohkay :)
[18:30] <DaskreecH> apachelogger: If random other stuff is broken then you need to sort out the Sound system I think
[18:30] <DaskreecH> apachelogger: rickspencer3 ?
[18:31] <rickspencer3> yes?
[18:31] <apachelogger> a) I am only doing fun stuff until someone implemented a long-term solution for all that translation mess
[18:31] <Riddell> DaskreecH: how do you mean?
[18:31] <DaskreecH> rickspencer3: :-)
[18:32] <DaskreecH> Riddell: What torrents are allowed on torrent.ubuntu.com ?
[18:32] <apachelogger> rickspencer3: would you be the nice person I have to talk to in order to find out if canonical is willing to sponsor me some netbook so I can implement kubuntu-netbook?
[18:32] <rickspencer3> apachelogger: yes
[18:32] <DaskreecH> rickspencer3: Nice response time :) How's freeze crunch treating you?
[18:32] <rickspencer3> rick.spencer@canonical.com
[18:33] <Riddell> apachelogger: KDE 3 apps won't work, I'll just remove the X-Gettext-Domain from the .desktop files
[18:33] <rickspencer3> send me your thoughts and I'll see if it's feasible
[18:33] <apachelogger> *fixing kmail first*
[18:33] <apachelogger> :D
[18:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: sounds sensible to me
[18:34] <DaskreecH> Riddell: Would the jackalope KDE3 spin be allowed to be tracked there ?
[18:35] <seaLne> amarok just recomended (the we gear and popup dialog thingy) i install a xine ffmpeg package i already had installed
[18:35] <seaLne> what prompts it to suggest things?
[18:36] <DaskreecH> the voices in the speakers
[18:36] <Mamarok> :)
[18:37] <Riddell> DaskreecH: I'm afraid not, no source
[18:37] <Riddell> seaLne: that's update-notifier-kde
[18:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: here is the dif for update-notifier-kde : http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/147125/
[18:38] <Riddell> seaLne: you have libxine1-ffmpeg installed?
[18:38] <seaLne> yes
[18:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: shouldn't be harmfull, but since we're that late, you decide wether you want it uploaded or not :)
[18:39] <Tonio_> seaLne: I uploaded a fix for that one, quickly, should be fixed in update-notifier-kde 0.17
[18:39] <Tonio_> seaLne: now writing a better fix for that not to happen again :)
[18:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: what he describe is the problem I mentionned you, with the suggestion to check the $package.list file instead
[18:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: looks fine at a glance
[18:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: building and testing...
[18:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: another propper way would have been to use python-apt to check for package status... I may consider that later, but that's too much of a code change !
[18:46] <tsimpson> Tonio_: while you're messing with update-notifier-kde, could you add this (one line) patch: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~tsimpson/update-notifier-kde/trunk/revision/68
[18:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: if I remember, python-apt has a "isInstalled" method...
[18:46] <Riddell> Tonio_: i think I avoided that because it took too long using hard disk etc
[18:46] <tsimpson> it stops apport from running without notification
[18:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: true that, it is slow :) I know that well since I'm attempting to write a python app that performs dist-upgrade at shutdown....
[18:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's a requirement in corporate environment (aka french parliament)
[18:47] <Tonio_> works but *really* slow
[18:48] <Tonio_> tsimpson: I see nothing harmfull in there, but that's somehow a feature change....
[18:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: should I include that fix ?
[18:50] <tsimpson> the apport "something has crashed, please click here..." message is only ever shown at startup, after that when an app crashes it goes straight to apport (possibly with kdesudo)
[18:50] <tsimpson> so kdesudo pops up with some command the user may not know about and confuses them
[18:50] <Tonio_> tsimpson: hum, imho, I prefer this way, indeed, but since we're very close to the freeze, I let the master decide whenever he wants the fix or not :)
[18:51] <Tonio_> tsimpson: that's what we call in french a "hot potatoe transfert !"
[18:53] <tsimpson> as far as I know, it differs from Ubuntu behaviour
[18:54] <tsimpson> and it's odd for a average-joe user to see a box asking for their password with no notification of what it is or without performing some action to trigger it
[18:55] <DaskreecH> Riddell: So Pirate bay then?
[18:55] <a|wen> anybody else got the problem that no crash pop-ups is triggered what-so-ever ... just had kontact/kmail simply disappear
[18:57] <Riddell> DaskreecH: that would work
[18:57] <tsimpson> I remember having to change enabled=0 to enabled=1 in /etc/default/apport and restarting apport, but that's in Intrepid, not sure about Jaunty
[18:57] <Riddell> tsimpson: I think that apport behaviour is the same as on ubuntu desktop.  at least it was when I implemented it
[18:58] <a|wen> hmm, it is already enabled in /etc/default/apport
[18:58] <tsimpson> Riddell: a user in here a few days ago said it was not, but I don't actually know
[18:59] <tsimpson> but considering it can trigger a kdesudo dialog, I think it's best to have some user action trigger it IMO
[19:00] <DaskreecH> Why is it when I click a deb from off the net it refuses to ask me for my password?
[19:05] <sebas> It checks the username, if it's DaskreecH, it bugs out. For everybody else, it works. :)
[19:05] <sebas> We put that in various parts all over KDE ;-)
[19:05] <sebas> Keeps you off the dangerous streets in Kingston
[19:06] <apachelogger> sebas: is a special plasma shell for netbooks planed?
[19:07] <sebas> apachelogger: yes
[19:07] <sebas> see one of aseigo's last blogs
[19:07] <apachelogger> k, thx
[19:08] <sebas> that'd be plasma-mid
[19:10] <apachelogger> very confusing name though :)
[19:11] <sebas> yeah, we might name it plama-ux ;)
[19:11] <apachelogger> oh dear
[19:12]  * blizzz suggests plasmb
[19:13] <apachelogger> ewwww
[19:13] <apachelogger> ewwwwww
[19:13] <apachelogger> awful bug in the openoffice plugin I wrote in fall
[19:15] <kb9vqf> Riddell: I'm a bit confused...Ubuntu can't track the torrent because there's no source?  KDE3 is still open source...what am I missing? :-)
[19:15] <Tonio_> tsimpson, Riddell: I'm testing my changes.... I let you know decide what to do and then I can upload !
[19:16] <Riddell> kb9vqf: strict compliance with GPL needs source ISOs distributed alongside the ISO (or a written offer for the same)
[19:17] <Riddell> kb9vqf: in practice nobody will mind since the source is available in the repository, but it's not quite kosher
[19:17] <kb9vqf> Riddell: Ahhh....I'll see if I can generate a source ISO.  If I do, can it then be "officially" tracked/hosted?
[19:18] <Riddell> kb9vqf: probably not then either I'm afraid, I think they can only do torrents for things on releases.u.c and there's lots of approval needed to get on there (plus it's running out of space)
[19:20] <kb9vqf> Riddell: OK.  We can still put a link to my site on the Kubuntu page though, correct?
[19:20]  * kb9vqf looks into creating a tracker with Kubuntu
[19:20] <Riddell> kb9vqf: yes
[19:21] <kb9vqf> Riddell: Good. :-)  Give me a poke when you've had a chance to look at the CD, and I'll make any changes that are suggested before going "live".
[19:21] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: have you had a chance to look at the CD yet?
[19:32] <apachelogger> kb9vqf: the ubuntu tracker uses bittorando
[19:41] <Riddell> Tonio_: I see debian are about to upload kdesudo, you might want to tell them you have a fi for it still
[19:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: will do thanks !
[20:00] <Quintasan> Riddell: ping
[20:00] <kb9vqf> daskreech: I got the tracker online on my servers (I decided to use opentracker--simple and lightweight), and re-uploaded the .torrent files
[20:01] <kb9vqf> daskreech: So if you could re-start the download for the last time I'd appreciate it :-)
[20:02]  * apachelogger is clearly surprised that his former sysadmin is now using kubuntu
[20:04]  * Quintasan wonders when he will have drivers for his Wacom tablet without waiting for new linuxwacom release
[20:12] <DaskreecH> apachelogger: clearly
[20:13] <DaskreecH> kb9vqf: No sadly. What's the URls for the torrents?
[20:14] <kb9vqf> daskreech: I put the new torrents up at http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/cdimages/
[20:14] <kb9vqf> daskreech: I'm using my own tracker at http://www.pearsoncomputing.net:6969
[20:14] <kb9vqf> daskreech: Give me a poke when you have a chance to try one of them out
[20:15] <DaskreecH> Sure
[20:19] <DaskreecH> Torrents work fine
[20:21] <kb9vqf> good
[20:22] <kb9vqf> I might change the tracker in the future, as I will be curious how many people are downloading, but that won't change the .torrent files
[20:25] <rickspencer3-afk> Riddell: update a couple of desktop files, did ya?
[20:25] <rickspencer3-afk> :)
[20:29] <mcas> can anyone tell me the time for the final translation export?
[20:32] <Riddell> rickspencer3: got to get my karma somehow :)
[20:33] <Riddell> Quintasan: you pinged?
[20:33] <rickspencer3> lol
[20:34] <Quintasan> Riddell: uh yeah, I've done the semantik patch, could you upload it? it works :)
[20:38] <Quintasan> mcas: nixternal said he will do the final upload in about two weeks
[20:44] <Riddell> Quintasan: do you have a debdiff?
[20:44] <mcas> tnx Quintasan
[20:44] <mcas> thx
[20:45] <Quintasan> Riddell: nope, I will make it now
[20:47] <Quintasan> Riddell: http://hs.quintasan.pl/semantik_0.6.8-0ubuntu2.debdiff
[20:54] <Mamarok> there seems to be a bug with the new libxine1-ffmpeg package
[20:54] <Mamarok> Amarok keeps asking for it to be installed, although it is there
[20:55] <apachelogger> I doubt that is libxine1-ffmpeg's fault, but rather a buggy patch
[20:56]  * Mamarok doesn't have amarok 2.0.2
[20:56] <Mamarok> this has been reported by a user on the mailing list
[20:57] <DaskreecH> Mamarok: Show off
[20:57] <Mamarok> DaskreecH: I don't think so, I just can't test it, I only have a local svn build
[20:59] <DaskreecH> Mamarok: :) Just teasing. It's kinda like my friend who lives on SVN and gets used to features about as fastas I do
[20:59] <Mamarok> right :)
[20:59] <Mamarok> anyway, there is a new bug somewhere
[20:59] <DaskreecH> so he'll be saying how glad he is that KDE does <insert feature>.  I'll say it doesn't and he goes oooooh right you are using the released version. (*silence*)
[20:59] <Riddell> Quintasan: looks perfect
[21:00] <DaskreecH> Grrrrr.   Showoff.
[21:00] <Riddell> Mamarok: known bug, should be fixed if you upgrade to latest update-notifier-kde
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> oh carp, I forgot I had a kpackagekit patch that I wanted uploaded after beta freeze
[21:10] <JontheEchidna> lol, carp
[21:11] <jjesse> mmmm carp :)
[21:14] <Riddell> that patch must be a load of old tripe
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> bug 275196, btw. I'm testbuilding then I'll upload a debdiff
[21:21] <joshjtl> does anyone use raptor menu?
[21:25] <joshjtl> http://raptor-menu.org/
[21:26] <Quintasan> joshjtl: I have a package in my ppa
[21:26] <joshjtl> whats the address again Quintasan?
[21:26] <joshjtl> Quintasan: do you use it?
[21:26] <Quintasan> joshjtl: http://ppa.quintasan.pl
[21:27] <joshjtl> Quintasan: do you use it?
[21:27] <Quintasan> joshjtl: yeah, it stable, but sometimes it crashes
[21:28] <joshjtl> Quintasan: i used to have it installed but couldnt figure out how to use it... ill install again now
[21:28] <Quintasan> joshjtl: it's an plasma applet, add it to desktop or menu
[21:28] <ryanakca> nixternal: would tomorrow night be any good for help.k.o?
[21:28] <Quintasan> and resize it :P
[21:28] <joshjtl> Quintasan: no i got how to add it, just not the actual use
[21:29] <joshjtl> hmm dunno if it install im running jaunty on this machine
[21:30] <Quintasan> joshjtl: it will install :P
[21:30] <joshjtl> nope wont install
[21:31] <Quintasan> why is that? you are running jaunty?
[21:32] <joshjtl> no running intrepid
[21:32] <joshjtl> on this machine
[21:32] <Quintasan> joshjtl: so it wont :P
[21:33] <joshjtl> nope
[21:33] <joshjtl> ill install from source
[21:34] <Quintasan> joshjtl: you will need libplasma-dev and cmake installed
[21:34] <joshjtl> Quintasan: know of any "better" amarok panel plasmoid? the preinstalled one kinda sucks
[21:34] <joshjtl> got em
[21:34] <Quintasan> joshjtl: PlayWolf?
[21:35] <joshjtl> lemme look
[21:36] <nixternal> ryanakca: that will work for me....I need to start porting it...it should only take me a few hours at the most to do
[21:36] <nixternal> ryanakca: I will grab the CSS for k.o and use its scheme for the documentation
[21:37] <nixternal> that way there I can stage it for you to look at....
[21:38] <nixternal> ryanakca: for the h.k.o I say we just use the generic php setup that the old k.o used to be...it was much easier to do the docs stuff with than using a bloated cms
[21:38] <nixternal> I will stage everything (maybe tonight) so we can look at it tomorrow night
[21:38]  * nixternal goes back to cleaning up
[21:42] <ryanakca> nixternal: Yeah, even plain old static pages will work. Theming it should be a one or two hour job... Are we going to stick in a search bar?
[21:43] <joshjtl> Quintasan: tried to install playwolf from source... installed fine, but when i add it to panel i get a bix X in place of it
[21:44] <Riddell> jtholmes: when you're next trying a kubuntu live CD could you try it with mem=512 ?
[21:46] <joshjtl> how do I find out what my KDEDIR is?
[21:47] <Quintasan> joshjtl: try adding it to desktop
[21:50] <joshjtl> Quintasan: same problem... on desktop it says could not find playwolf
[21:50] <Quintasan> :/
[21:55] <joshjtl> Quintasan: whats path to kde 4 installation?
[21:55] <joshjtl> on kubuntu
[21:55] <Quintasan> joshjtl: what are you trying to do?
[21:56] <joshjtl> to install this: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/PeachyDock?content=78494
[21:56] <joshjtl> build says i need path to kde 4 installation
[22:00] <joshjtl> Quintasan: any idea?
[22:05] <joshjtl> guess thats a no :)
[22:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: just uploading the fixed kdesudo.... --attach option is now included and works like a charm
[22:13] <DaskreecH> joshjtl: try which kdeinit
[22:14] <joshjtl> DaskreecH: that doesnt tell me what the dir is
[22:18] <DaskreecH> >_<
[22:25] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: do you have time to sponsor a few things?
[22:26] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: it might disturb me from my lolcat reading
[22:27]  * JontheEchidna switches to a new tactic
[22:27] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: what needs doing?
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> i can haz sponsor?
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> :P
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> bug 275196, kdenetwork bzr and kdegraphics bzr
[22:28] <JontheEchidna> Oh, also the add new printer button in spck gives a nice traceback
[22:28] <JontheEchidna> just fyi
[22:29]  * JontheEchidna wonders why system-config-printer breaks stuff like that so often
[22:29] <Riddell> that was my task for this week until this .desktop translations stuff happened
[22:29] <Riddell> now is task for tomorrow
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> heh
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> ~order hot cocoa for Riddell
[22:29]  * kubotu slides hot cocoa down the bar to Riddell
[22:33] <Riddell> hmm, samba kcm, that should just be throw out
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> that and half of kdeadmin, sadly :(
[22:43] <Riddell> kdenetwork up
[22:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum I forgot that one indeed..... added to todo list, will do tomorrow morning
[22:44] <Riddell> Tonio_: what's that?
[22:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: the kcm samba stuff
[22:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: JontheEchidna just added some fixes
[22:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki then
[22:46] <Riddell> bit too late to do anything else in jaunty
[22:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was talking about getting this removed, not fixed :)
[22:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have plans for karmic on that point (the samba sharing)
[22:48] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: is that kpackagekit patch upstream?
[22:48] <JontheEchidna> nope, I haven't gotten to it yet
[22:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: one thing that changed with kde 4.2.2 and that drives me nuts, dunno if that's a bug
[22:49] <JontheEchidna> I actually forgot I had made the patch until earlier today (I made it back during beta freeze)
[22:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: kickoff doesn't disapear when loosing focus.... is that wanted purpose ?
[22:50] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: it seems to be a KWin bug
[22:50] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: uploaded
[22:50] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: that's *really* awfull to use.... is it known bug ?
[22:50] <JontheEchidna> yeah, both up and downstream
[22:51] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: kk
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> bug 34059
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> er
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> bug 354059
[22:51]  * Tonio_ is testing the update-notifier changes, and reboots in the meantime
[22:51]  * Tonio_ now remembers why he calls JontheEchidna Mr Malone
[22:51] <Tonio_> that's impressive, really
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> I keep a copy of the kubuntu-bugs mailing list archive open in a tab in firefox
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> crtl + f, search for "focus" ;-)
[22:52] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: if it wasn't you, I'd really thought you were an IRC bot :)
[22:52] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: ah ! that makes sense then :)
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> I should blog about my firefox setup some time :P
[23:29] <neversfelde> mhh, dragonplayer installed software. Nice feature. Just out of curiosity what happened to the libdvdcss hint?
[23:30] <neversfelde> kaffeine had one, or?
[23:33] <Riddell> neversfelde: it's illegal in parts of the world we have to care about :(
[23:34] <neversfelde> Riddell: thats the reason why I asked. It might be not legal here in Germany and I wondered why it was part of kubuntu
[23:36] <Riddell> it's pretty depressing
[23:36] <Riddell> we can point to software that is illegally copied (wifi firmware) but not to legally copied software the decodes your own videos
[23:38] <neversfelde> a norwegian judge goes the right way, he declared libdvdcss is not a copy protection. Here nobody seems to care about that, probably we'll get a better copyright law after this year
[23:41] <neversfelde> it is only a problem related to civil law, so there is a real chance, but I don ot know which countries are involved in this problem, too. Norway not^^
[23:41] <neversfelde> Riddell: thx for that info