[00:00] <bruce89> 01189998891991197253
[00:01] <maxb> Hrm
[00:02] <maxb> Well now I've made it complete /tmp/foo bar
[00:02] <dooglus> maxb: no, I can't - I'm thinking of a similar but different bug
[00:02] <maxb> I wonder how you're supposed to get it to complete /tmp/foo\ bar
[00:02] <dooglus> maxb: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=356218 is related I think?
[00:03] <dooglus> it's the one I was thinking of
[00:05] <maxb> I hate shellscript :-(
[00:06] <dooglus> what's the problem maxb?
[00:11] <maxb> spaces. quoting. shell. guaranteed to drive you insane.
[00:14] <Ienorand> Personally I find it rather pleasant, and you feel appropriately "hax" when you manage to do what you intended...
[00:14] <zooko> This shows that you haven't reached the insanity stage yet.
[00:14] <zooko> It's sort of like the first few pages of an ancient tome of Cthulhu.
[00:15] <zooko> You get this pleasurable feeling of power...
[00:15] <Ienorand> But I WANT IT!
[00:16]  * Ienorand should be going to bed soon
[00:16] <zooko> Grumble.  Why, when I tell Konqueror to tell VLC to play a .flac file, does it proceed to *download* the entire 38 MB file to a temporary directory before beginning to play it?
[00:17] <zooko> Don't sleep facing East.
[00:17] <zooko> Or a Greater Bash Shell with long creeping associative arrays will crawl into your ear.
[00:19] <dooglus> !w32codecs
[00:19] <zooko> Heh. Coincidentally the flac file that was taking so long to start is "The Thing That Should Not Be" by Metallica.
[00:19] <bruce89> zooko: may some weird VFS thing
[00:20] <zooko> It looks like to me that Konqueror is going and downloading the file before giving it to VLC.
[00:20] <zooko> Because it pops up a Konqueror download widget thingie.
[00:20] <zooko> At least I *think* that widget thingie is coming from Konqueror.
[00:21] <zooko> And not from...  somewhere just as real, but not so brightly lit.
[00:21] <bruce89> that's a bit strange, I assume it's a local file
[00:21] <zooko> No, over HTTP.
[00:21] <bruce89> ah, shove the URI into VLC manually
[00:22] <zooko> Well, I know how to do *that*.
[00:22] <zooko> What I don't know is how to tell Konqueror to give VLC the URL instead of the file contents.
[00:22] <zooko> Or else to give VLC the file contents incrementally and without using my hard drive.
[00:23] <mogul218> good evening everyone.....installed kubuntu on my laptop and i am familiar with the wireless setup in ubuntu but lost on kubuntu.....can someone help me out?
[00:23] <bruce89> zooko: Konq being a Web browser (now), it'll download stuff when maybe it isn't needed
[00:23] <mogul218> i am on jaunty btw
[00:23] <zooko> bruce89: thanks!
[00:26] <zooko> Argh -- VLC skips when I give it the URL.
[00:26] <Ienorand> Is touch /forcefsck the recomended way to force fsck?
[00:29] <m4v> Ienorand: I don't other way if there is
[00:40] <v0lksman> I did an upgrade from intrepid to jaunty last thursday...I can't seem to find anything notify-osd...is it cause I upgraded?
[00:40] <MementoMori> hi
[00:41] <ActionParsnip> !info notify-osd
[00:41] <MementoMori> is current beta usable?
[00:41] <ActionParsnip> MementoMori: ;)
[00:41] <v0lksman> ActionParsnip: yeah...so I installed notify-osd...not sure where to go now
[00:42] <MementoMori> hi ActionParsnip ;) do you prefer answer to my question here? :D
[00:42] <v0lksman> oh snappity snap
[00:42] <maxb> MementoMori: that depends on whether your definition of usable includes "working well, but if it breaks, it's your responsibility to get yourself out of trouble"
[00:43] <MementoMori> maxb: I mean: if it breaks an update will solve the problem
[00:44] <bytor4232> Jaunty with no GUI installed boots in 15 seconds on a dual core workstation.  I have xfce4 installed, it boots in six seconds.
[00:45] <MementoMori> maybe it's better to install 810 and then distupgrade
[00:45] <MementoMori> but i've never trusted dist-upgrade...
[00:46] <maxb> If you mean apt-get dist-upgrade, you shouldn't be using it unless you self-classify as expert
[00:46] <maxb> The supported upgrade path is update-manager, which in addition to a basic dist-upgrade includes all sorts of helper fixups
[00:46] <bytor4232> Ubuntu 9.04 with ext4 boots on my laptop boots to a bash login in 14 seconds, xfce4 loads from startx in 9 seconds
[00:47] <MementoMori> maxb: i think i'm good power user but when I say "dist-upgrade" I mean: look up the wiki and follow the raccomended official way
[00:47] <maxb> right
[00:48] <maxb> I would not fear release-upgrading.
[00:48] <MementoMori> maxb: but should I trust it?
[00:48] <maxb> I have upgraded step-by-step all the way from dapper
[00:48] <MementoMori> I'm used to install packages from medibuntu
[00:48] <MementoMori> will those packs break the upgrade?
[00:49] <maxb> It's always wise to be a little cautious about 3rd party repositories, but I think most of medibuntu's packages are either sufficiently close to their Ubuntu variants, or sufficiently minor addons that you are unlikely to have issues
[00:50] <maxb> I use a few packages from medibuntu too
[00:51] <MementoMori> maxb: I actually use codecs, fonts, libdvdcss2 and few other if I remember well
[00:51] <MementoMori> so ok
[00:51] <MementoMori> i'll install 810 tomorrow
[00:52] <MementoMori> I really hate when I've to install a new system a couple of weeks before the next release
[00:53] <MementoMori> I think ubuntu should become a metadistro the gentoo way.
[00:53] <MementoMori> so no new versions no doubt
[00:54] <ccooke> *sigh*
[00:56] <tim> Will there be any support for hotway and hotsmtp in Jaunty?  I noticed it was not in the repositories.
[00:56] <ccooke> I find myself increasingly disheartened about the way the update manager icon is being handled. I suspect that, because of it, Jaunty is going to be the least tested Ubuntu since Hoary - I wouldn't be surprised if this release has the worst track record for bugs for a very long time, simply because of this policy change.
[01:12] <hyp0craci> hi was wondering if someone could help me get my sound working :o( im a linux super-noob, and just installed 9.04 as my first distro, so not sure what is the issue, i have googled for 2 days now, and searched on the ubuntu website, but none of the stuff i found worked for me,..i have set everything to alsa, added my user to the audio group, but nothing
[01:13] <coffee|_|D> is your soundcard supported?
[01:13] <coffee|_|D> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Main_Page
[01:14] <coffee|_|D> probabley could see if you have the modules installed? with  "modinfo soundcore"
[01:17] <hyp0craci> i believe so, it shows me options under sounds related to the card name, it is the internal sound on my asus m3n-ht deluxe, (using optical out btw), "modinfo soundcore" lists a generic sound driver
[01:21] <hyp0craci> im trying to look on the alsa website but not sure what manufacturer makes the AD1988 HDA chip which i have
[01:23] <Antioch> I just installed the xubuntu beta and updated all packages. I used to have the beta installed and updated, but I reformatted my HD. This time after updating, however, the panel and background don't appear after logging in - only a terminal does.
[01:24] <Antioch> How can I fix this?
[01:24] <coffee|_|D> is it an nvidia board then nvidia
[01:30] <hyp0craci> ok so i found that i am using the nvidia HDA sound driver, and it is supported , so any suggestions? like i said i have already set my user to the audio group, and set all the options in the Pref > Sound ..to HDA (ALSA), but i hear nothing :o(
[01:31] <quieteyes> hyp0craci: just curious, nForce2 chipset & audio?
[01:32] <DanaG> nf2 wouldn't be HDA, I'm pretty sure.
[01:32] <DanaG> Would have to be NF3 or newer.
[01:34] <hyp0craci> not exaclty sure, its the nforce 780a chipset and it uses the AD1988 HDA codec :o/
[01:34] <DanaG> 780 is "nf7".
[01:34] <Antioch> Are you trying to get digital output?
[01:34] <hyp0craci> yah
[01:34] <Antioch> for audio
[01:35] <hyp0craci> i am, only cables i have here is optical
[01:35] <Antioch> ok well if it works the way mine does (onboard nvidia 9300) its simple
[01:35] <Duckthis> Is there someone using TrueCrypt?
[01:35] <Antioch> first go to your sound mixer, turn up the master and add the switches for something like E98------ some number looking thing, dont remember off hand
[01:35] <Antioch> turn both of the switches on
[01:36] <Antioch> that may do it, or you may have to add the follwing to your ~/.asoundrc file
[01:36] <Antioch> (sec while I find the link)
[01:36] <DanaG> IEC958?
[01:36] <Antioch> I guess, you have a diff chipset than I do so probably yeah.
[01:36] <hyp0craci> IEC985 is enabled, only other switch there is headphones
[01:36] <DanaG> Might wanna' install pavucontrol, too, perhaps.
[01:36] <afallenhope> hey guys found a small bug. trying to compile idjc, and found that it was looking for: Error: ffmpeg/avcodec.h: No such file or directory where it's really locate at /usr/lib/avcodec/ similar (but reversed) to the following bug: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/ticket/237
[01:37] <DanaG> Gnome hides all the mixers by default.  =P
[01:37] <Antioch> DanaG, I had "IEC985" and "IEC985-2" --- the firs one did nothing, the second one (#2) made the magic work
[01:37] <hyp0craci> hmm i do remember seeing 2 of them when i did alsamixer from console lemme go try
[01:38] <DanaG> Hmm, probably has separate hdmi and spdif.
[01:38] <hyp0craci> yup
[01:38] <afallenhope> so any ideas on that onw?
[01:38] <afallenhope> one**
[01:38] <hyp0craci> ..to danalol
[01:38] <Duckthis> Is there someone using TrueCrypt?
[01:38] <DanaG> I have a sound card that does similar odd things: one "Speaker" slider that doesn't even MOVE properly, and has no effect.... another "Speaker 1" slider that goes from 0db to 0db, but works (as long as you ignore the broken 'db' marking).
[01:38] <DanaG> It's a USB sound card.
[01:39] <Antioch> DanaG, try one of the following (the first one worked for me getting HDMI out, but I think theyre the same issue) - http://xbmc.org/forum/showpost.php?p=276711&postcount=96, http://xbmc.org/forum/showpost.php?p=257476&postcount=268
[01:39] <Antioch> You only need to worry about the asoundrc part, the rest of the post is about updating alsa drivers, but Jaunty has the needed version
[01:40] <hyp0craci> what is pavucontro? and how/where would i install it from?
[01:40] <hyp0craci> i only have that one switch anti and it is enabled with no sound
[01:41] <Antioch> did you add lines to your asoundrc?
[01:41] <afallenhope> found a small bug. trying to compile idjc, and found that it was looking for: Error: ffmpeg/avcodec.h: No such file or directory where it's really locate at /usr/lib/avcodec/ similar (but reversed) to the following bug: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/ticket/237
[01:42] <hyp0craci> no i didnt, u said u were gonna look up the link didnt see u post it tho did i miss it?
[01:42] <xero> I've recently compiled BlueZ 4.34 and Pulse 0.9.15-test7, and am unable to pair my Bluetooth headset (moto S9). I get this when attempting to do so: i get this http://paste.ubuntu.com/146579/ when pairing my moto S9
[01:42] <Antioch> yes
[01:42] <Antioch> a few lines up
[01:42] <DanaG> Bluetooth audio has never worked for me in Linux.
[01:42] <Antioch> 2 links
[01:43] <xero> WOW! How the heck did that sentence get so garbled? Let's try that again.
[01:43] <hggdh> afallenhope, have you checked for a LP bug on this? If you find one, can you please check if the reference to trac is given there
[01:43] <hggdh> ?
[01:43] <DanaG> nevaire.
[01:43] <afallenhope> hggdh, not that I could see
[01:43] <xero> I've recently compiled BlueZ 4.34 and Pulse 0.9.15-test7, and am unable to pair my Bluetooth headset (moto S9). /ticket/237
 no i didnt, u said u were gonna look up the link didnt see u post it tho did i miss it?
 I've recently compiled BlueZ 4.34 and Pulse 0.9.15-test7, and am unable to pair my Bluetooth headset (moto S9). I get this when attempting to do so: http://paste.ubuntu.com/146579/
[01:43] <xero> How the ...
[01:44] <xero> BRB, changing mouse and keyboard batteries. Something's messed up.
[01:44] <Antioch> hyp0craci, DanaG, I just enabled the switches and added the first asoundrc (as well as rebootd X, this is important) and it worked for me to get sound over HDMI on the latest 9.04 beta
[01:44] <Antioch> literally 10 seconds ago ;)
[01:44] <hggdh> afallenhope, would you then please open one (I am *assuming* you are trying to build currently deployed idjc)?
[01:44] <afallenhope> hggdh, yeah I am
[01:45] <hggdh> afallenhope, and there is a binary package for it?
[01:45] <drone> is there a channel where we can get some help with the 9.04 beta?
[01:45] <afallenhope> hggdh, no it's outdated
[01:45] <mprice> drone this is the right channel
[01:45] <drone> ah ok. thanks
[01:46] <hggdh> oh
[01:46] <afallenhope> hggdh, it's so outdated it doesn't even support my files lol.
[01:46] <hggdh> afallenhope, let me find out what is it we have
[01:46] <xero> I've recently compiled BlueZ 4.34 and Pulse 0.9.15-test7, and am unable to pair my Bluetooth headset (moto S9). I get this when attempting to do so: http://paste.ubuntu.com/146579/
[01:47] <hyp0craci> ok lol got confused cause u said dana, but anyways those refer to using the hdmi audo, where as i am trying to use the optical audio out..what would i put inplace of "hdmi" there?
[01:47] <drone> well, I've got two issues: 1. ever since I updated my 64 bit 8.10 to 9.04 beta, my update-manager gives the error "bzip2: Data integrity error when decompressing."  when I try to run updates
[01:47] <drone> and also I have no icons in my gnome panel menus
[01:48] <drone> but they are there in alacarte
[01:48]  * hggdh waits for packages.ubuntu.com... waiting for godot is more fun :-(
[01:48] <drone> and I can drag the objects to the desktop and they show there
[01:48] <drone> I tried deleting gconf and gnome files
[01:48] <hggdh> afallenhope, OK, we have 0.7.7 on Jaunty
[01:48] <drone> just to see if it would help
[01:48] <drone> but it didn't do anything
[01:49] <hggdh> afallenhope, did you get the source from upstream?
[01:49] <afallenhope> hggdh, I got it from the developper's site
[01:49] <DanaG> hyp0craci: try aplay -l and aplay -L  (lowercase and caps L)
[01:49] <afallenhope> hggdh, I know the issue just don't know how to fix it
[01:50] <hggdh> afallenhope, ah OK. Just edit the source file that has the bad reference, and correct it
[01:50] <afallenhope> --> error: ffmpeg/avcodec.h: No such file or directory <-- the file is found at /usr/include/libavcodec.h  instead of /usr/include/ffmpeg
[01:50] <hggdh> afallenhope, this error was given compiling another source....
[01:51] <DanaG> argh, damned windows is unloading and loading my hdd heads.
[01:51] <afallenhope> hggdh, this was given compiling idjc0.7.2a
[01:51] <hggdh> afallenhope, or just 'grep -R ffmpeg/avcodev.h *
[01:51] <DanaG> I've tweaked it in ubuntu to not do that.
[01:52] <hggdh> afallenhope, now wait: you say this is for idjc 0.7.2a. Is this newer or older than 0.7.7?
[01:52] <afallenhope> hggdh, it's the laterst
[01:52] <hyp0craci> dana have already done that , it lists Nvidia HDA as the devices
[01:53] <hggdh> afallenhope, OK. then just run the grep I gave you, and correct each hit as needed
[01:53] <afallenhope> hggdh, nothingshows up
[01:53] <hggdh> afallenhope, sorry, gotta go
[01:55] <hggdh> afallenhope, but this is, then, probably in another .h (i.e., an included file). The error messages should tell you where to look. But really gotta go, or my S.O. will be very unhappy
[01:55] <afallenhope> lol hggdh yeah I know where the file is located. there's not directory. the directory is located at /usr/include/libavcodec
[01:57] <DanaG> hyp0craci: try the other one (capital and lowercase L give different results)
[01:57] <DanaG> Besides, isn't pulseaudio supposed to be the default?
[01:57] <DanaG> If so, you should use pavucontrol to set default device.
[01:58] <coffee|_|D> hyp0craci i'm not sure, have you tried #alsa?
[01:58] <cuznt> i was trying to configure my quassell on #quassell and the dudes told me from a konsole command that my hard drive was on its way to the great p00pship in the sky. i need to back my stuff up onto my 500g in a recoverable way. i have kde4.2.x jaunty juandice athalon 2gram single proc. 32bit. this is installed TWICE on my 165g hard drive and I have a sep 500g
[01:58] <coffee|_|D> #alsa that is
[01:58] <cuznt> the normal back up is bye bye
[01:59] <cuznt> can you do a pastebin !find
[01:59] <cuznt> !find | pastebin | cuznt
[02:00] <cuznt> anywho a serviceable way to back up. any ideas are appreciated. tyvmia
[02:00] <DanaG> I use faubackup for backups, because everything else seems to be either weak or cryptic.
[02:00] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/faubackup.conf
[02:00] <DanaG> That's an example config file.
[02:00] <DanaG> Or rather, that's what I have set.
[02:01] <DanaG> It puts a cronjob in cron.daily; you'd have to tweak that, too -- I have mine do one filesystem at a time.
[02:01] <cuznt> conection to http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/faubackup.conf is broken
[02:01] <DanaG> Odd... works for me.
[02:01] <DanaG> So, I have /var/faubackup symlinked to a different drive, and I end up with /var/faubackup/EliteBook:root/<date string>
[02:02] <cuznt> error kate
[02:02] <DanaG> EliteBook is my hostname.
[02:02] <DanaG> Try opening that in the browser instead.
[02:02] <cuznt> connection to host  http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/ is broken
[02:03] <cuznt> nono i got it thanks
[02:04] <drone> has anyone else been getting dpkg parse errors?
[02:04] <DanaG> What the faubackup thingy does: hardlinks unchanged files, and copies new copies of changed files.
[02:04] <DanaG> So, any backup is copyable as if it were a full file tree -- because it IS one.
[02:04] <cuznt> so like if my hd craps i can install faubackup again on a new hd and
[02:05] <cuznt> "revover it?
[02:05] <cuznt> recover
[02:05] <DanaG> Actually, recovering is even easier: it's just rsync or cp (I don't remember which was best at copying whole trees with all attributes.
[02:05] <DanaG> Rsync, I think it was.  You'd want to preserve symlinks and all that.
[02:06] <DanaG> Check 'man faubackup' and 'man rsync', of course.
[02:06] <DanaG> My example config file excludes thumbnails and cache files.
[02:07] <DanaG> There may be a more efficient way to do all this... but that was the only system I felt like bothering with.
[02:08] <cuznt> that was way over my head
[02:09] <cuznt> heh
[02:09] <cuznt> but i will of course cross that bridge when I come to it
[02:09] <cuznt> ty
[02:12] <DanaG> We really do need some sort of fully-automatic backup thingy.
[02:12] <DanaG> Best idea would be like (gasp) Apple's thing-I-need-not-name.  =P
[02:14] <hyp0craci> dana sorry had to afk for a sec, i did the L one, it lists a bunch of them, all rear, surround, center, sub except for one, which is HDM audio output
[02:16] <Antioch> hyp0craci, I think you should try looking about the xbmc forums. A lot of users on there are trying to get digital (and optical) sound outputs working. The first step involves updating ALSA and then some configurations. But in 9.04 we already have the needed ALSA version.
[02:16] <Antioch> Thats where I got my HDMI fix from. Most people on there are using Ubuntu so it should be easy to get it working from their help
[02:19] <hyp0craci> ok i will look, on a side note, i did manage to find cable for the earphone jack style connectors, and even with those outputs, i am getting nothing, ill look into the site u mentioned
[02:21] <GiantTalkingCow> A quick question, do any of you know if Jaunty and/or the version of X.org included with it is having a problem with Intel cards?
[02:22] <PhotoJim> some issues.
[02:22] <PhotoJim> it works fine for me with the Intel chipset in my netbook, but if I run aggressive video tasks like celestia, I get a lot of glitches in the display.
[02:22] <GiantTalkingCow> Ah well, I suppose I'll hold off on testing it until the final release if I can't find a fix. Thanks.
[02:23] <PhotoJim> I haven't had better luck with a laptop running Intrepid.
[02:23] <PhotoJim> I don't think it's worse.  It's just bad, still.
[02:25] <GiantTalkingCow> Intrepid's desktop effects worked fine on this machine, as did other versions of Compiz and also KDE's new compositing system, so if I can't find a fix, I'll cross my fingers and hope it'll be working by release.
[02:27] <mprice> GiantTalkingCow is it running slow?
[02:28] <GiantTalkingCow> mprice: Pretty much. It's working, just at a snail's pace.
[02:31] <bjsnider> GiantTalkingCow, if you can set up xorg.conf to use uxa, it might solve some of your issues
[02:32] <bjsnider> exa is broken in the intel driver right now
[02:32] <mprice> that is what I did: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/UxaTesting
[02:32] <GiantTalkingCow> I just ran across that while searching for a solution myself and I'll give it a shot. Thanks for the tip.
[02:34] <mprice> so far its working fine without any problems
[02:36] <bjsnider> mprice, you mean no problems at all?
[02:36] <mprice> ya kwin is working fine after I changed the settings to use UXA
[02:41] <p_> Hey all! I'm wondering if I can upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04 using the 9.04 live CD?
[02:42] <darthanubis> p_, thats what its for
[02:42] <p_> darthanubis, but how?
[02:42] <darthanubis> read
[02:42] <darthanubis> the desktop saus "install"
[02:42] <darthanubis> says
[02:43] <p_> darthanubis, I don't want to re-install, I want to upgrade.
[02:43] <darthanubis> if you can't do that much, a beta is outta your league
[02:43] <p_> lol
[02:43] <darthanubis> well you upgrade from the cli
[02:43] <p_> darthanubis, cli?
[02:43] <darthanubis> oh boy
[02:43] <darthanubis> the website ubuntu.com details upgrades
[02:43] <mprice> cli=command line interface
[02:44] <p_> mprice, thanks.
[02:44] <cuznt> i thought you could only upgrade from an alternate cd
[02:44] <mprice> ie the terminal
[02:44] <p_> mprice, right.
[02:44] <p_> cuznt, that would...be a mistake...
[02:44] <p_> (of mine)
[02:45] <p_> cuznt, you're right. I just checked.
[02:45] <p_> Lol, my bad. Alright...time to re-download and re-burn...
[02:45] <p_> Thanks all. www.upwardm.com/good
[02:51] <GiantTalkingCow> Well, thanks for the tip, editing my xorg.conf solved the desktop acceleration problem, and Jaunty seems to be working like a charm otherwise.
[02:52] <bjsnider> cool
[02:53] <bjsnider> i think they'll have the exa problem solved by the time jaunty is released though
[02:53] <bjsnider> so you might want to check whether taking out uxa wouldn't be a good idea at that point
[02:53] <GiantTalkingCow> I'll give it another look later this month, yeah.
[04:14] <afallenhope> hey have a small issue. I tried to delete apache from the ufw app but everytime I do I get the following http://pastebin.com/m145c700b
[04:15] <afallenhope> can I just remove it from /etc/ufw/applications.d?
[04:26] <[MindVirus]> Flash and Java are not working.
[04:26] <[MindVirus]> Help.
[04:27] <afallenhope> hey have a small issue. I tried to delete apache from the ufw app but everytime I do I get the following http://pastebin.com/m145c700b
[04:27] <afallenhope> can I just remove it from /etc/ufw/applications.d?
[04:31] <mogul218> afallenhope how did you install apache?
[04:31] <[MindVirus]> Any suggestions?
[04:31] <afallenhope> mogul218, aptitue install apache
[04:32] <afallenhope> [MindVirus], more detail
[04:33] <[MindVirus]> afallenhope, what would you like?
[04:33] <afallenhope> 1.) how did you install java 2.) how did you install flash 3.) what site are you trying to access
[04:34] <[MindVirus]> afallenhope, 1 and 2) Using Firefox's method 3) All of them
[04:34] <centaur5> Is there a way to make a new netboot image since the one I'm using (from the repositories) isn't as current as the new kernel?
[04:35] <mogul218> afallenhope, i don't have a solution to your problem
[04:37] <afallenhope> [MindVirus], you have to insall the package..
[04:38] <[MindVirus]> afallenhope, which is what Firefox does.
[04:38] <[MindVirus]> I also got ubuntu-restricted-extras.
[04:38] <afallenhope> [MindVirus], no it doesn't. sudo aptitude install flash-nonfree
[04:38] <[MindVirus]> Yes. Yes it does.
[04:39] <Barridus> hi, has the unicode character entering process changed?  i seem to recall it used to be ctrl-alt-u.  has my memory flaked out of was it changed :)
[04:39] <[MindVirus]> afallenhope, first off, I prefer apt-get, second off, flash-nonfree isn't a valid package.
[04:40] <[MindVirus]> You mean flashplugin-nonfree or adobe-flashplugin (of which I have both).
[04:40] <afallenhope> w/e
[04:40] <[MindVirus]> And I promise Firefox gets the Flash plugin.
[04:40] <[MindVirus]> Though you can find out on your own.
[04:41] <[MindVirus]> What should I do?
[04:44] <[MindVirus]> ...?
[04:45] <afallenhope> [MindVirus], find out on your own, as you told me..
[04:45] <[MindVirus]> ...
[04:45] <[MindVirus]> afallenhope, I told you that you can find out on your own if you don't believe me.
[04:46] <[MindVirus]> afallenhope, you know, what I said wasn't rude, but what you said was.
[04:46] <[MindVirus]> It's alright. I'm afraid this conversation is going nowhere.
[04:47] <[MindVirus]> Sorry I couldn't have been more agreeable.
[04:48] <[MindVirus]> Could anyone please help me troubleshoot Java in Firefox?
[04:48] <afallenhope> [MindVirus], http://www.64bitjungle.com/ubuntu/install-java-jre-160-update-x-on-hardy-as-the-default-java-runtime/
[04:49] <[MindVirus]> Sorry, sorry, meant Flash. I'm willing to put Java off for later.
[04:49] <[MindVirus]> Flash is more important.
[04:50] <afallenhope> http://www.chaim.com/blog/archives/17
[04:51] <[MindVirus]> Oh, I'm not on 64-bit. I'll see if that applies to my 32-bit.
[04:51] <bruce89> [MindVirus]: that's needlessly complex, sudo aptitude install default-jre is all you need
[04:51] <[MindVirus]> Yeah, I have the JRE, but I'd like to worry 'bout that later.
[04:52] <afallenhope> [MindVirus], also.. close firefox and try sudo aptitude --reinstall install flashplugin-nonfree
[04:53] <[MindVirus]> Done it.
[04:53] <[MindVirus]> Sadly doesn't help. :(
[04:53] <afallenhope> [MindVirus], close firefox then run it from terminal
[04:53] <afallenhope> see if there's an error somewhere
[05:08] <j5098> i got the intel graphics driver update for jaunty this morning, but my compiz is still very slow
[05:13] <[MindVirus]> j5098, I feel like it won't be fixed for a while.
[05:14] <j5098> darn
[05:14] <j5098> but it is well known and being worked on, right? (i have a 945)
[05:18] <mbrush> "Jaunty is not released and not supported"  does that mean this isn't a support channel for jaunty then?
[05:18] <dtchen> it means that when things break, you get to keep the pieces
[05:19] <mbrush> gotcha, speaking of pieces :)
[05:19] <mbrush> is it just me or is pulseaudio pretty much broken to pieces?
[05:19] <dtchen> WFM. what precise issues are you having?
[05:20] <mbrush> first it was no sound at all, I've managed to fix that, now I'm getting no sound in Flash in firefox
[05:21] <dtchen> which version of Flash? fresh install or distribution upgrade?
[05:21] <rathel> I'm curious if this bug is happening to anybody else, I have 2 monitors, and I can't seem to drag panels from 1 screen to another like I could in Intrepid.
[05:21] <mbrush> Alternate CD fresh install + XFCE, the flash version i just downloaded
[05:22] <mbrush> how do i check flash version?  I think 10.something
[05:22] <dtchen> look what about:plugins says
[05:23] <mbrush> Shockwave Flash 10.0 r22
[05:24] <dtchen> mbrush: install pavucontrol and check what sink the stream is directed to
[05:24] <mbrush> "Default"  ?
[05:25] <dtchen> while the Flash stream is playing, which sink is used?
[05:26] <mbrush> "ALSA plug-in [firefox]" under Clients?
[05:26] <dtchen> yes
[05:28] <mbrush> if I double-click that is says Driver: pulsecore/protocol-native.c Index: #2 Owner Module: #15
[05:28] <dtchen> eh, let me get a Flash stream so i can walk you through it
[05:29] <mbrush> dtchen: sorry, Ive never used pulse before (on purpose)
[05:29] <mbrush> :)
[05:33] <mbrush> dtchen: is your flash sound working?
[05:33] <mbrush> I forgot to mention I'm running amd64
[05:34] <dtchen> mbrush: yes, it works fine
[05:34] <dtchen> mbrush: in pavucontrol, see the Playback tab
[05:34] <dtchen> mbrush: use the dropdown on the trailing horizontal edge (probably right for you)
[05:35] <mbrush> yep
[05:36] <dtchen> mbrush: also, what is the default sink for you?
[05:37] <mbrush> if I set firefox to RTP multicast stream i get an equalizer moving but still no sound, if I select HDA Intel... the equalizer stops moving
[05:37] <mbrush> default is RTP muticast
[05:38] <mbrush> I selected something and the program closed
[05:38] <mbrush> now it does show firefox
[05:39] <mbrush> also when i restart pavucontrol it says this:
[05:39] <mbrush> I: caps.c: Limited capabilities successfully to CAP_SYS_NICE.
[05:39] <mbrush> I: caps.c: Dropping root privileges.
[05:39] <mbrush> I: caps.c: Limited capabilities successfully to CAP_SYS_NICE.
[05:39] <mbrush> sorry for paste
[05:40] <dtchen> err, what?!
[05:40] <dtchen> the default is rtp?
[05:40] <dtchen> *headdesk*
[05:40] <dtchen> right, so that's bad
[05:40] <dtchen> set the default to your HDA Intel
[05:40] <mbrush> Sorry, I was playing around under Playback and muted the System Sounds part and the program crashed
[05:40] <mbrush> that was what it said when I restarted the program
[05:40] <dtchen> also, migrate all your streams over to the HDA Intel
[05:41] <mbrush> I tried that before the crash and it didn't do anything except make the equalizer thing stop moving
[05:41] <mbrush> now it doesn't show firefox in the Playback tab
[05:42] <dtchen> did you (re)start a Flash stream?
[05:42] <dtchen> did pavucontrol crash?
[05:42] <mbrush> well it showed an error dialog that said something like "Connection lost" or refused maybe
[05:42] <mbrush> I'm restarting firefox to see if it comes back into the list in pavucontrol
[05:42] <dtchen> hmm
[05:43] <dtchen> is this installation current? are you running the latest packages for everything?
[05:43] <mbrush> ok, it's back in the list after restartin firefox
[05:43] <mbrush> current up to a day or two ago
[05:43] <dtchen> that tends to be outdated
[05:44] <dtchen> i already have another batch of PA fixes queued
[05:44]  * mbrush apt-get upgrades to see
[05:45] <mbrush> yeah, there's tons of pulseaudio stuff in there, let me upgrade
[05:46] <mbrush> I hope it doesn't reset whatever I did that got my sound working at all in the first place
[05:48] <dtchen> i have no idea what you did to get your sound working
[05:49] <mbrush> me either, i ended getting in so deep I lost track
[05:49] <bjsnider> you shouldn't have to jump thru hoops to get an intel chip working
[05:49] <dtchen> most people just mumble stuff about sound being broken but don't actually provide viable details for me to go forward with
[05:49] <[MindVirus]> Could anyone please help me troubleshoot Flash in Firefox?
[05:50] <mbrush> no sound?
[05:50] <dtchen> [MindVirus]: what's the issue?
[05:50] <[MindVirus]> No Flash.
[05:50] <dtchen> [MindVirus]: did you install Flash?
[05:50] <[MindVirus]> yES.
[05:50] <[MindVirus]> *Yes.
[05:50] <dtchen> how?
[05:50] <[MindVirus]> Through Firefox and apt.
[05:50] <dtchen> err
[05:50] <mbrush> http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/releasenotes_64bit.html#install
[05:50] <[MindVirus]> I have flashplugin-nonfree and adobe-flashplugin.
[05:50] <dtchen> choose one or the other, not both
[05:50] <mbrush> that just worked for me
[05:51] <[MindVirus]> I'm on 32-bit.
[05:51] <dtchen> argh
[05:51] <dtchen> bad!
[05:51] <dtchen> don't do that
[05:51] <dtchen> choose *one*
[05:51] <dtchen> remove the other
[05:51] <[MindVirus]> Yes, sir! Which?
[05:51] <dtchen> just pick one
[05:51] <[MindVirus]> What are the merits of each?
[05:51] <dtchen> the former uses nspluginwrapper
[05:51] <[MindVirus]> So, which is preferred in general?
[05:52] <[MindVirus]> And why?
[05:52] <dtchen> i guess people recommend flashplugin-nonfree because of the nspluginwrapper bits
[05:52] <j5098> so there's no way to downgrade my video driver back to what i had with intrepid?
[05:52] <bjsnider> [MindVirus], it works better on x64, if you've got the hardware
[05:52] <[MindVirus]> Nah, I'm on Atom.
[05:52] <bjsnider> oh, how dreadful
[05:53] <[MindVirus]> j5098, when you get answered tell me please.
[05:53] <[MindVirus]> So I should keep flashplugin-nonfree.
[05:53] <crdlb> [MindVirus]: some of those are x86-64
[05:53] <[MindVirus]> This one isn't.
[05:53] <drmrhorse> do i have to reinstall jaunty after the official release or can i just keep upgrading?
[05:53] <[MindVirus]> You know, the best help comes out past midnight.
[05:53] <crdlb> !final | drmrhorse
[05:53] <dtchen> honestly, it makes no difference to me whether flashplugin-nonfree or adobe-flashplugin is used, as i get to care for those bugs regardless
[05:53] <mbrush> dtchen: I have solved the issue.  I guess it boils down to inappropriate defaults and me not knowing how to change them
[05:53] <drmrhorse> yay ty mr bot
[05:54] <drmrhorse> and the best linux help is really after midnight
[05:54] <[MindVirus]> So, turns out I never had adobe-flashplugin.
[05:54] <[MindVirus]> I only had flashplugin-nonfree.
[05:54] <dtchen> ok, so purge it and reinstall it using apt-get
[05:54] <[MindVirus]> dtchen, eh?
[05:54] <dtchen> the important part is to purge it
[05:55] <crdlb> j5098: there are more components than just the video driver
[05:55] <[MindVirus]> I thought I was supposed to choose one.
[05:55] <dtchen> you can't just remove it; you need to purge it
[05:55] <mbrush> apt-get remove --purge <package>
[05:55] <[MindVirus]> What am I purging, removing, and reinstalling, and in what order?
[05:55] <dtchen> purging is a "more thorough" removal
[05:56] <dtchen> so you will apt-get --purge remove flashplugin-nonfree && apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[05:56] <[MindVirus]> BTW, believe now is the best time to get help because no morons are awake (so there is a larger luser/user ratio).
[05:56] <[MindVirus]> *smaller
[05:58] <bjsnider> yeah, only coke addicts are awake
[05:58] <[MindVirus]> :)
[05:58] <dtchen> afterward, tell us the output from: dpkg -l flashplugin-nonfree adobe-flashplugin|egrep -v '^(\||D|\+)'
[05:59] <[MindVirus]> un  adobe-flashplugin                         <none>                                  (no description available)
[05:59] <[MindVirus]> ii  flashplugin-nonfree                       10.0.22.87ubuntu1                       Adobe Flash Player plugin installer
[05:59] <[MindVirus]> Haha!
[05:59] <[MindVirus]> It works!
[05:59] <[MindVirus]> You're all heros!
[06:00] <dtchen> it will be so nice to rip flashplugin-nonfree from the archive
[06:01] <mbrush> will there be an free one?
[06:01] <dtchen> a Free Adobe Flash? doubtful.
[06:01] <dtchen> not impossible, just improbable in the short run
[06:01] <[MindVirus]> Next: any progress on the Intel drivers?
[06:01] <mbrush> what's replacing flashplugin-nonfree?
[06:01] <drmrhorse> (back from lightening fast reboot)
[06:01] <dtchen> adobe-flashplugin, hopefully
[06:02] <mbrush> ah
[06:02] <dtchen> Adobe doesn't allow us to redistribute non-final versions from archive.canonical
[06:02] <[MindVirus]> dtchen, will Ubuntu automagically remove flashplugin-nonfree and get adobe-flashplugin when it is time?
[06:02] <dtchen> [MindVirus]: my crystal ball powers are insufficient
[06:03] <j5098> crdlb: so that's a no for anything similar to what i want to achieve?
[06:03] <[MindVirus]> Understood. There is no plan for phasing out flashplugin-nonfree and phasing in adobe-flashplugin?
[06:03] <dtchen> [MindVirus]: no. there are plans to maintain them in parallel (yech)
[06:03] <[MindVirus]> Eugh.
[06:04] <crdlb> j5098: indeed
[06:04] <[MindVirus]> dtchen, what about Intel drivers?
[06:04] <mbrush> The most useful package for flash would just be an echo command that says "go to adobe.com and download the plugin yourself"
[06:05] <[MindVirus]> That question was directed to anyone who knows.
[06:06] <mbrush> drivers what [MindVirus]?
[06:06] <[MindVirus]> Sorry, graphics drivers.
[06:06] <mbrush> ok, no idea .. using nvidia
[06:06] <[MindVirus]> Sure, understood.
[06:06] <[MindVirus]> I was at one point in your boat. Then I got a laptop.
[06:07] <bjsnider> i'm sure the intel driver will be fixed within 2 weeks
[06:07] <Amaranth> [MindVirus]: What about intel drivers?
[06:07] <Amaranth> bjsnider: Doubtful...
[06:07] <[MindVirus]> Amaranth, the Intel graphics drivers.
[06:08] <Amaranth> Right
[06:08] <Amaranth> Not really what I meant though
[06:08] <mbrush> What is your problem with the intel graphics drivers?
[06:08] <bjsnider> Amaranth, they will fix it before jaunty is released
[06:09] <Amaranth> Fix _what_?
[06:09] <[MindVirus]> This is a breath of fresh air. I'm so used to being ignored. Now I'm getting craploads of help from lots of experts. Wish this is how it was all the time. Thanks in advance everyone.
[06:09] <Amaranth> And who is 'they"?
[06:09] <[MindVirus]> Well, performance is shitty.
[06:09] <[MindVirus]> In Intrepid everything was great.
[06:09] <Amaranth> [MindVirus]: Ah, X4500 user then
[06:09] <[MindVirus]> No.
[06:09] <[MindVirus]> 945GME.
[06:09] <j5098> [MindVirus]: do you have a 945 as well?
[06:09] <j5098> lol
[06:10] <Amaranth> In gutsy and intrepid my performance with an X3100 was so bad I stopped using Linux
[06:10] <Amaranth> In jaunty performance is good again but has gone down for others
[06:10] <[MindVirus]> I'm running Compiz with normal effects and the refresh is like a '50s cartoon.
[06:10] <[MindVirus]> Eep.
[06:10] <j5098> I'm in the exact same situation as [MindVirus]
[06:10] <bjsnider> Amaranth, ubuntu devs will fix the exa regression in the intel graphics driver
[06:10] <[MindVirus]> bjsnider, when?
[06:10] <Amaranth> Now you guys get to spend a year with crappy graphics
[06:11] <bjsnider> within 2 weeks, as i said
[06:11] <j5098> i can do 2 weeks
[06:11] <Amaranth> bjsnider: We don't usually fix driver bugs
[06:11] <j5098> but not a year
[06:11] <[MindVirus]> Amaranth, luckily everyone's getting better at everything.
[06:11] <Amaranth> bjsnider: Unless you know something I don't?
[06:11] <[MindVirus]> Amaranth, the way I understand it, it's not a driver bug.
[06:12] <[MindVirus]> j5098, I'm on this channel frequently. If you ever spot me around and you have a solution, please tell me. I will do the same for you if you wish.
[06:13] <bjsnider> the solution is enabling uxa instead of exa int eh xorg.conf driver
[06:13] <j5098> [MindVirus]: for sure. I auto join this channel and #ubuntu, so
[06:13] <Amaranth> bjsnider: And that is absolutely not happening this release.
[06:13] <Amaranth> I've got it enabled locally but it seems to leak memory and cause slowdowns/crashes after time
[06:13] <[MindVirus]> bjsnider, that is definitely not true. I did UXA and Xorg disintegrated.
[06:13] <j5098> i tried the uxa and i couldn't even see the login screen
[06:13] <[MindVirus]> I couldn't see anything.
[06:13] <[MindVirus]> Haha.
[06:14] <[MindVirus]> j5098, Eee 1000?
[06:14] <Amaranth> These are the reasons UXA is not the default :P
[06:14] <bjsnider> Amaranth, i didn't meant hat ubuntu devs would literally fix the intel driver. obviously that's keith packard's responsibility. but if an older version ahs to be used or some workaround, it will not be released in its current form
[06:14] <j5098> [MindVirus]: dunno what that is
[06:14] <[MindVirus]> Laptop. Nevermind.
[06:14] <Amaranth> bjsnider: It most certainly will
[06:14] <j5098> [MindVirus]: nah, vaio
[06:15] <Amaranth> bjsnider: The last two releases had terrible performance for some intel chips and they got released
[06:15] <Amaranth> bjsnider: We haven't had a good intel driver since hardy but that driver doesn't support newer chips and would have to be ported forward
[06:15] <bjsnider> we'll see
[06:15] <mbrush> j5098, I guess I should be glad I went with the ATI graphics in my VAIO :)
[06:15] <Amaranth> bjsnider: We won't see, that's the point :P
[06:16] <[MindVirus]> Amaranth, how are you so sure?
[06:16] <Amaranth> bjsnider: At this point in the release cycle that would be too disruptive anyway
[06:16] <j5098> mbrush: yes, yes....
[06:16] <Amaranth> [MindVirus]: Because I (used to) do ubuntu development
[06:16] <Amaranth> I know how things like this work
[06:16] <bjsnider> Amaranth, are you saying that keith packard is an incompetent boob?
[06:16] <j5098> i may just reinstall intrepid....
[06:17] <Amaranth> bjsnider: Something like that :P
[06:17] <mbrush> can you not use the older driver?
[06:17] <bjsnider> a bumbling nincompoop?
[06:17] <Amaranth> bjsnider: He is great but the changes in the driver have not really worked out very well
[06:17] <Amaranth> bjsnider: They are great changes to make for the future but they need a _lot_ of polish
[06:18] <bjsnider> well i'll send keith an email to that effect
[06:18] <bjsnider> with your name on it
[06:18] <Amaranth> And he isn't the only one working on the driver
[06:18] <Amaranth> I don't even think he is the main person
[06:18] <[MindVirus]> Who is this Keith guy?
[06:18] <j5098> mbrush: i don't think that's possible, is it?
[06:18] <Amaranth> bjsnider: Feel free, I wonder if he remembers me enough to know the name
[06:18] <Amaranth> At this point the main person working on the driver seems to be jesse
[06:19] <bjsnider> keith packard is the lead xorg developer. he works for intel
[06:19] <mbrush> j5098 I'm not sure, I'd go to the package website for intrepid and download it and see, I have no idea if that's possible for this situation though
[06:19] <Amaranth> keith does infrastructure work
[06:19] <[MindVirus]> So why does my happiness rely on him?
[06:19] <[MindVirus]> Really, my question is, should I trust Amaranth or bjsnider?
[06:20] <Amaranth> [MindVirus]: Can you imagine any project making such a huge change two weeks before release?
[06:20] <[MindVirus]> Amaranth, I can imagine a roll-back.
[06:20] <Amaranth> [MindVirus]: That is a huge change
[06:20] <Amaranth> And it would negatively affect people
[06:21] <bjsnider> if they don't they're in for a hell of a lot of complaints
[06:21] <[MindVirus]> Amaranth, but I can see there to be an option.
[06:21] <mbrush> [MindVirus]: who cares?  if they don't fix by release, someone in the community will fix it or come up with a workaround
[06:21] <Amaranth> We've already gotten a hell of a lot of complaints about the last two releases
[06:21] <Amaranth> Because, again, intel has sucked since 8.04
[06:21] <[MindVirus]> Intel sucked since 8.04.
[06:21] <Amaranth> Some group of intel users has been screwed in every release since then
[06:21] <[MindVirus]> I thought they always had open drivers.
[06:22] <Amaranth> They do
[06:22] <bjsnider> open has nothing to di wtih it
[06:22] <Amaranth> open doesn't mean perfect
[06:22] <[MindVirus]> Open means I can go in and help.
[06:22] <[MindVirus]> Where is the problem?
[06:22] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[06:22] <[MindVirus]> *Where are the problems?
[06:22] <Amaranth> A large part of helping would be figuring that out
[06:22] <[MindVirus]> I have no experience with hardware.
[06:22] <bjsnider> i can't see anybody but the key intel devs actually hacking the driver itself. who the hell else knows the code?
[06:23] <[MindVirus]> But I'm a great coder.
[06:23] <bjsnider> so open makes no difference here
[06:23] <Amaranth> bjsnider: Other developers certainly work on the intel driver
[06:23] <Amaranth> bjsnider: An outside developer added XvMC support
[06:23] <[MindVirus]> Someone just needs to donate a large sum of money.
[06:23] <bjsnider> yeahm, intel has no money
[06:24] <bjsnider> money don't matter 2night
[06:24] <[MindVirus]> To Keith.
[06:24] <bjsnider> has nothing to dow tih it
[06:24] <[MindVirus]> OK, a lot of people are pissed.
[06:24] <bjsnider> the problem is they all farted around for 10 years before doing this
[06:24] <[MindVirus]> Or will be.
[06:24] <bjsnider> this architecture change should have happened in the 1990s
[06:25] <spaceBARbarian> who cares about shared graphics card, just buy dedicated
[06:25] <j5098> spaceBARbarian: shuuuuuuuuuuut uuuuuuuuuuuup
[06:25] <j5098> i cares
[06:26] <[MindVirus]> spaceBARbarian, laptop users.
[06:28] <[MindVirus]> So, bjsnider or Amaranth, who has the correct answer?
[06:28] <bjsnider> answer to what?
[06:28] <[MindVirus]> Whether the driver will be in working condition by release.
[06:28] <[MindVirus]> Also, how can I help out?
[06:30] <bjsnider> they'll make the pragmatic choice. the greatest number of cards working by whatever means necessary
[06:30] <[MindVirus]> That was amazingly ambiguous.
[06:30] <[MindVirus]> But that's alright.
[06:30] <[MindVirus]> I take it nobody knows so I won't bother.
[06:31] <mbrush> can you not just revert to a working version of the affected package(s)?
[06:31] <bjsnider> no
[06:31] <mbrush> the intrepid ones won't work?
[06:31] <bjsnider> this is x-server 1.6 here
[06:31] <ubuntu__> anyone having issues with ati drivers?
[06:32] <mbrush> so revert x-server packages also (for someone having tons of troubles)?
[06:32] <bjsnider> no
[06:32] <crdlb> ubuntu__: apparently you
[06:33] <ubuntu__> I installed some ati drivers and now I can't log into X can't even get a terminal
[06:33] <mbrush> bjsnider: it's not possible to apt-get remove --purge xorg and then use different pacakges?
[06:33] <mbrush> i would've thought you could do that
[06:33] <bjsnider> what could take place is a ppa with the next x-server,kernel, and intel driver in it
[06:34] <mbrush> bjsnider: which is it that is causing the problems?
[06:34] <bjsnider> mbrush, if it's that bad, use intrepid
[06:34] <bjsnider> all 3 are causing it
[06:35] <mbrush> i'm not affected, but i've done this before to cure problems
[06:35] <mbrush> i see
[06:35] <gaelfx> I am having some serious connection issues with UNR, almost every website I try to navigate to returns "Connection Interrupted" error, though I am able to load WebUIs over the local network without any problems, any advice?
[06:36] <bjsnider> as of jaunty there's a major architectural change. the intel driver is now using gem to manage graphics memory. gem is in the kernel, the 2.6.28 kernel.
[06:38] <[MindVirus]> GEM sucks.
[06:39] <crdlb> no, the intel driver release managment sucks
[06:39] <bjsnider> it's gem or nothing. it's been nothing forever now
[06:41] <gaelfx> is there anyone else using ath9k for their wireless connection? I suspect that the new driver in the kernel may be causing my connection problem
[06:41] <bjsnider> i like how everybody seems to know this stuff better than the intel corporation, and yet nobody seems to be taking hold of this wonderful open source code and fixing it
[06:42] <bjsnider> gaelfx, try the one in the linux-backports-modules-jaunty package
[06:44] <darnell> why cant i get sound with my speakers, only with headphones
[06:44] <darnell> ?
[06:44] <mbrush> darnel is it muted or turned off, it was for me by default
[06:44] <mbrush> in pavucontrol
[06:45] <darnell> ive turned everything on
[06:45] <mbrush> is it a notebook?
[06:46] <darnell> yes, ibm x41 tablet
[06:46] <dtchen> err, x41?
[06:46] <dtchen> huh.
[06:46] <dtchen> please run the http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh script
[06:47] <dtchen> i.e., wget -O ~/Desktop/alsa-info.sh http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && bash ~/Desktop/alsa-info.sh
[06:49] <dtchen> darnell: ^^
[06:50] <darnell> working on it
[06:50] <darnell> wont do anything.. can i just copy and paste that?
[06:51] <dtchen> you can try bash ~/Desktop/alsa-info.sh --no-upload
[06:51] <dtchen> then grab the text file from /tmp
[06:51] <mbrush> do you need to chmod +x it?
[06:51] <dtchen> only if you don't preface bash
[06:51] <mbrush> ah
[06:53] <darnell> no such file or directory
[06:55] <AK_Dave> Jaunty is pissing me off. The WorkplaceSwitcher_applet won't appear. According to gconf_editor I have ~20 instances of it on the top panel but none of them show.
[06:56] <dtchen> darnell: did you run the command?
[06:57] <darnell> i did
[06:57] <darnell> said no such fi]e or directory
[06:57] <dtchen> darnell: which command did you run?
[06:58] <darnell> ~/Desktop/alsa-info.sh
[06:58] <dtchen> darnell: did you run the wget command before that?
[06:59] <darnell> ok.. wget worked now
[07:04] <darnell> just gave me a website with alsa info
[07:04] <dtchen> huh?
[07:04] <dtchen> -->>    wget -O ~/Desktop/alsa-info.sh http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && bash ~/Desktop/alsa-info.sh --no-upload
[07:07] <darnell> k
[07:07] <darnell> now what
[07:09] <dtchen> paste the contents of /tmp/alsa-info.txt on a pastebin
[07:13] <dtchen> (then tell me the url)
[07:26] <dtchen> darnell: status update?
[07:27] <darnell> where do i paste to pastebin
[07:27] <darnell> never did this before
[07:28] <dtchen> !pastebin
[07:30] <darnell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/146716/
[07:31] <dtchen> darnell: type the following command in a Terminal and tell me if the sound is audible:
[07:32] <dtchen> pasuspender -- aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
[07:35] <darnell> k holdon
[07:35] <abhishekiitd> How to set up rorating cube/sphere as your screensaver?
[07:35] <abhishekiitd> rotating*
[07:35] <darnell> nope... not audible
[07:36] <dtchen> darnell: can you mute External Amplifier and Headphone ?
[07:36] <abhishekiitd> hey people, i want to use the rotating sphere in compiz as my screensaver, how can i?
[07:38] <darnell> lets see
[07:38] <crdlb> abhishekiitd: that hasn't been kept up-to-date
[07:39] <darnell> i muted headphones
[07:39] <darnell> audio is still only through headphones though
[07:40] <dtchen> is this post-resume-from-suspend?
[07:40] <methril|work> yo
[07:42] <abhishekiitd> crdlb:that means this is not possible?
[07:43] <dtchen> darnell: i.e., are you using the latest bios for your thinkpad?
[07:45] <crdlb> abhishekiitd: indeed
[07:45] <darnell> think so. gota check
[07:45] <darnell> worked fine till a couple weeks ago before a jaunty update...
[07:46] <darnell> so i did a fresh install and still no audio/except headphone
[07:46] <abhishekiitd> crdlb:but that was quite possible before, asnt it?
[07:47] <crdlb> abhishekiitd: the screensaver plugin only works with really old versions of compiz
[07:47] <crdlb> it's just not going to happen
[07:47] <abhishekiitd> crdlb:ok now i get it.Thanks!
[07:56] <dtchen> darnell: hmm, if it worked fine before, let's see if it's just munged state
[07:56] <spaceBARbarian> did they ever fix alarm clock for jaunty ?
[07:57] <dtchen> darnell: you'll need to do the following: sudo kill $(sudo lsof -t /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*) ; sudo rmmod snd-hda-intel ; sudo rm -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.state
[07:57] <dtchen> darnell: after that, you need to reboot
[07:59] <hecklingfext> i have an issue where my external hdd will not mount with any write access, no matter what options i put into my fstab
[07:59] <hecklingfext> before mounting, /media/drive is drwxrwxrwx  after it changes to drwxr-xr-x
[07:59] <hecklingfext> im running jaunty 64bit
[08:10] <Chr|s> anyone have problems today of x restarting by its self and having to log back on
[08:16] <Chr|s> !offtopic
[08:16] <Chr|s>  :(
[08:17] <Chr|s> still haven't fixed it
[08:33] <mnemo> Chr|s: can you run "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log* | pastebinit" and copy the URL it prints to this channel?
[08:34] <Chr|s> mnemo» yes one second
[08:36] <Chr|s> mnemo» http://pastebin.com/f7466b65f
[08:37] <mnemo> hmm, yea I can see your crash in there
[08:37] <mnemo> when does it happen?
[08:37] <mnemo> does it always crash directly when you login?
[08:37] <mnemo> or after a while?
[08:37] <Chr|s> mnemo» it just happen once out of the blue
[08:37] <Chr|s> I was already logged in when it happen, logged in for awhile actually
[08:38] <Chr|s> mnemo» I never received a crash report either
[08:38] <mnemo> nah, NVIDIA uses closed source so we cannot fix the bugs in their driver anyway
[08:39] <Chr|s> mnemo» ahh
[08:40] <Machtin> hey guys.
[08:41] <Machtin> i got a few 100 files which have a .htm-extension
[08:41] <Machtin> however, i want that to be removed.. how to do that?
[08:42] <mnemo> Machtin: try #ubuntu (this is for jaunty issues only)
[08:42] <Machtin> hm, well.. i'm running jaunty :)
[08:42] <Machtin> but will do, thanks
[08:49] <Chr|s> mnemo» so it has something to do with nvidia? should I join #nvidia and tell them abotu it?
[08:51] <kbmaniac_> Hi all, I am having some probs with 9.04 kubuntu but there is no kubuntu+1, OK to discuss here ?
[08:53] <Chr|s> kbmaniac_» this is the right channel for bouth ubuntu and kubuntu and rest of the flavors :)
[08:54] <kbmaniac_> cool - OK here goes :)
[08:54] <kbmaniac_> I have installed kubuntu on my wifes machine, it has a Asus ATI Radeon HD 3650 card
[08:54] <kbmaniac_> all went well, everything worked AOK
[08:55] <frybye>  Looking for a acpi- solution that actually works with Jaunty-NBRemix and the 1000H?
[08:55] <kbmaniac_> But I wanted the desktop effects, so I started hardware driver search & installed the driver
[08:56] <kbmaniac_> on reboot screen is blank, flashes the desktop every 30 ish secs for a second
[08:56] <kbmaniac_> need to revert back to the 'vesa' ? driver
[08:56] <kbmaniac_> any ideas ?
[08:57] <kbmaniac_> can get terminal, ctrl,alt, f1. Have tried auto fix of X, no go
[08:57] <kbmaniac_> have tried reverting to old xorg.conf, no go
[08:58] <Chr|s> kbmaniac_» hmm
[08:58] <kbmaniac_> yep ... lol
[08:59] <crdlb> kbmaniac_: uninstall xorg-driver-fglrx
[08:59] <kbmaniac_> Apparently I need the catalyst driver direct from ATI, but I need X to install it
[08:59] <crdlb> the default driver for that card is the radeon driver
[08:59] <kbmaniac_> OK will give it a go ... hold on ...
[08:59] <crdlb> installing fglrx direct from ATI will not work, as their version doesn't support xserver 1.6
[08:59] <crdlb> (jaunty has a beta)
[08:59] <crdlb> and that's what the hw drivers manager tried to enable
[09:01] <kbmaniac_> removing, having to reboot ...
[09:02] <kbmaniac_> crdlb, probarbly being dumb, but the fglrx driver = catalyst driver ?
[09:02] <crdlb> yes
[09:02] <crdlb> catalyst is their stupid marketing name
[09:02] <kbmaniac_> got it :)
[09:02] <crdlb> but you should always use fglrx as that is the actual driver name
[09:02] <kbmaniac_> OK
[09:03] <crdlb> catalyst is also even harder to type than fglrx :(
[09:03] <kbmaniac_> so the problem is that the fglrx driver has not been updated for xserver 1.6, when it is the card should (hopefully) work
[09:04] <crdlb> kbmaniac_: it has been updated, but only in the fglrx 9.4 beta in jaunty
[09:05] <crdlb> (8.600 by their internal version scheme)
[09:07] <kbmaniac_> OK so ATI have updated it but the latest version has not trickled down to jaunty
[09:07] <crdlb> "in jaunty"
[09:07] <crdlb> in fact, it's pretty much only available in jaunty
[09:07] <crdlb> until 9.4 actually gets released later this month
[09:08] <crdlb> it apparently just has a bug
[09:08] <crdlb> you can try the fglrx 9.4 final release when it comes out, if you so desire
[09:08] <kbmaniac_> So there is hope for desktop effects on my wifes machine :)
[09:09] <crdlb> not at the moment
[09:09] <kbmaniac_> I can be patient ....
[09:09] <crdlb> there is precisely one publicly distributable version of fglrx that can run on jaunty, and you tried it
[09:10] <kbmaniac_> and still recovering, mmm x gone bye bye ... looking at logs ...
[09:13] <kbmaniac_> YAY, reverted to original xorg.conf, have system back :)
[09:15] <kbmaniac_> Thanks for your help guys, system back on its feet, Will wait for official release before trying fglrx driver again, hopefully fixed it by then
[09:58] <okey666> I cannot mount ext4 in jaunty
[10:00] <okey666> it gives: mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4'
[10:01] <SwedeMike> does dmesg say anything after you try to do that?
[10:02] <okey666> sorry, how do i find that?
[10:03] <SwedeMike> just type "dmesg"
[10:03] <SwedeMike> and see what the last lines say, if there is anything relevant
[10:03] <okey666> not really, its just a load of stuff about my wireless card and bluetooth
[10:05] <okey666> basically, the other partition is another 9.04, it has no files, but I want to get at is menu.lst
[10:05] <okey666> i suppose I will just use a live cd and get them that way
[10:05] <SwedeMike> okey666: well, it should work, there must be something other that is wrong.
[10:06] <SwedeMike> okey666: do you have ext4 if you look in /proc/filesystems ?
[10:07] <okey666> it appears to be empty
[10:07] <okey666> but I can see things in the thumbnail
[10:07] <jens-25621> Have any one else had font rendering problems in QT apps after upgrading to Jaunty?
[10:08] <okey666> ah
[10:08] <okey666> SwedeMike: I got it open, there is no ext4, it just say ext3
[10:08] <okey666> SwedeMike:nodev   fusectl
[10:08] <okey666> nodev   usbfs
[10:08] <okey666>         ext3
[10:09] <SwedeMike> okey666: what does uname -a return?
[10:09] <okey666> SwedeMike: Linux Key-oscar 2.6.27-11-generic #1 SMP Wed Apr 1 20:57:48 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:09] <aapzak> goodmorning guys
[10:09] <SwedeMike> okey666: that doesn't look like a januty kernel.
[10:09] <SwedeMike> jaunty
[10:10] <okey666> SwedeMike: could the upgrade have gone wrong
[10:10] <okey666> SwedeMike: hang on, I have it, I booted off an old grub menu
[10:11] <okey666> SwedeMike: could it then have used the older kernel?
[10:11] <SwedeMike> okey666: yes.
[10:11] <SwedeMike> obviously.
[10:11] <kulight> any one having trouble with broadcom wireless on jaunty ?
[10:11] <SwedeMike> if you really need that file, try mounting it with ext4dev if available
[10:11] <okey666> SwedeMike: right, I have fixed the grub, I will restart, thanks.
[10:11] <nandemonai> Has anyone come across any issues with VMware server on Jaunty? Specifically 1.0.9?
[10:14] <askand> Hi! I'm using rsync to download latest daily build a couple of time a week, but it seems to be downloading the whole image again? I tought that the point with rsync was that you didn't had to do that??
[10:18] <ikonia> askand: what is your rsync command ?
[10:19] <askand>  ikonia: im using the script from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RsyncCdImage
[10:19] <jpds> askand: There's tool in ubuntu-qa-tools which downloads the lastest image for you, you might want to try it.
[10:19] <jpds> latest*
[10:20] <askand> jpds: thanks will check it out
[10:20] <jpds> askand: You may have to tweak the config for it. It's set to download  all images default. :)
[10:21] <ikonia> askand: the images change - so you'll have to download the whole image each time
[10:21] <ikonia> askand: rsync can't differentiate the difference between image files,
[10:22] <jpds> ikonia: It can...
[10:22] <macvr> hi all... need some help editing this file>>> /usr/lib/notify-osd/notify-osd its a executable (application/x-executable) file , how do i open it to edit the file?
[10:22] <ikonia> jpds: really ?
[10:22] <ikonia> jpds: the rscyn home page doesn't suggest so
[10:22] <RAOF> macvr: Why do you need to edit that file?  It's a binary.
[10:23] <joaopinto> ikonia, man rsync, read the first page ;)
[10:23] <jpds> ikonia: It does binary diffs and looks for changes between files and makes them as necessary.
[10:23] <RAOF> ikonia: rsync does all sorts of craziness; it will happily do the equivalent of binary patching.
[10:23] <joaopinto> actually, second page :P
[10:24] <ikonia> joaopinto: reading now......
[10:24] <macvr> RAOF: i thought that that was the file for the notification settings...  to edit it!
[10:24] <RAOF> macvr: No, there are no settings.
[10:24] <joaopinto> rsync is mostly used because of it's delta transfer ability
[10:24] <RAOF> macvr: That's the binary :)
[10:25] <topyli> macvr: get the source and edit that
[10:25] <macvr> RAOF: oh... so there is no way i could edit the settings ? i just cant see the damn thing!
[10:25] <jpds> macvr: The notifications settings for programs are in the programs.
[10:25] <macvr> topyli: link for source?
[10:26] <RAOF> macvr: That's probably a bug, then.  "apt-get source notify-osd" will get you the source.
[10:27] <macvr> RAOF: ok... will try to look into the source... i have a huge problem with this , since i use a dark theme and the notifications just arnt visible.. thanx guys
[10:27] <topyli> macvr: what can't you see exactly?
[10:28] <crdlb> macvr: well, the color is not configurable :/
[10:28] <macvr> topyli: it just merges with the background and most of the time i miss it...
[10:28] <topyli> ah ok
[10:28] <macvr> crdlb: i know that is very irritating
[10:28] <topyli> macvr: file a bug
[10:29] <crdlb> unfortunately, it's a feature
[10:29] <macvr> topyli: there seem to be several bugs regarding this but the developers seem to be overworked / arent able to look into it for now!
[10:29] <topyli> crdlb: if someone thinks it could work be better, it's a bug :)
[10:30] <topyli> wishlist bugs are bugs too
[10:31] <macvr> color option might be available only after several months! maybe only for 9.10!!!
[10:31] <topyli> macvr: i would guess there are more severe bugs than color, but you should still file it so that it at least *exists*. after that fix it not just for yourself but everybody
[10:32] <crdlb> I don't see how it's fixable without changing the concept
[10:32] <topyli> macvr: only if the maintainer(s) refuse your patch should you take on all the trouble of maintaining your own version
[10:32] <aapzak> question: I wish to remove boot/shutdown splash totally, can I just uninstall usplash and thats it?
[10:32] <macvr> topyli: bugs have been filed and i have added an affects me too, to the bugs
[10:32] <topyli> crdlb: it could, for example, use the hilight color from your gtk theme
[10:33] <crdlb> topyli: then it wouldn't be black ;)
[10:33] <macvr> topyli: thats a good option..
[10:33] <crdlb> which is part of the concept
[10:33] <topyli> crdlb: oh, being black is a core feature?
[10:33] <eagles0513875> crdlb: can i ask ya question
[10:34] <crdlb> topyli: the spec even gives the precise color value :/
[10:34] <macvr> crdlb: i think the main concept is only to make it non interactable , but colors are to be considered alter but not now..
[10:34] <topyli> crdlb: i'll have to study the rationale behind this
[10:34] <macvr> topyli: no, black is not a feature...
[10:34] <eagles0513875> crdlb: yesterday was trying to install koffice and it was complaining about kformula dependency. when i tried to install kformula it removed kdm kde jockey etc
[10:35] <crdlb> eagles0513875: it removed, or it asked to remove but you cancelled it? :)
[10:36] <macvr> crdlb: thats according to the response from the devs in launchpad... they have the customizable color in the wishlist..
[10:36] <eagles0513875> crdlb: yes i cancelled it
[10:36] <eagles0513875> and reinstall kdm and kubuntu-desktop package and jockey
[10:36] <benste> which package contains the necesarry codecs for gstreamer and M3U audiolist files?
[10:36] <eagles0513875> crdlb: any idea why it wants to do that
[10:37] <crdlb> macvr: I'm not sure selection color would look very good though
[10:37]  * crdlb likes the look of the notification-daemon
[10:38]  * eagles0513875 is excited about jaunty
[10:38] <eagles0513875> crdlb: what kernel is going to be included in jaunty
[10:39] <macvr> crdlb: i meant that the option to select a color is in the wishlist and the devs are considering it...
[10:39] <crdlb> 2.6.28?
[10:39] <eagles0513875> because for the wifi card i have there are some patches that need to be applied to the kernel to get it to work
[10:39] <eagles0513875> !version | eagles0513875
[10:39] <crdlb> macvr: well, selecting a color isn't great either
[10:40] <eagles0513875> 2.6.28.11 crdlb
[10:41] <crdlb> actually, it's -11, they just bump that number when they break the A BI
[10:41] <macvr> crdlb: check this screenchot >>> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/25003744/Screenshot-1.png <<< how would this be an effective notification?
[10:41] <topyli> macvr: nos sure why you miss the notifications though. don't the contents stand up enough even if the background is dark?
[10:41] <eagles0513875> crdlb: is it too late to include patches in the kernel
[10:41] <macvr> topyli: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/25003744/Screenshot-1.png <<< check this screenshot
[10:41] <crdlb> macvr: I don't like notify-osd at all
[10:41] <crdlb> eagles0513875: final freeze is like tomorrow
[10:42] <topyli> macvr: looks fine to me
[10:42] <topyli> macvr: not sure why the spec is so rigid about the coloring though
[10:42] <eagles0513875> crdlb: where can i suggest the patches
[10:42] <macvr> crdlb: looks like we are tryoiing to copy growl!!!
[10:42] <eagles0513875> its for a broadcom 4311 rev 2 wifi card
[10:42] <crdlb> macvr: :)
[10:43]  * crdlb thinks a certain bdfl has been looking at OS X a bit too much this cycle
[10:43] <macvr> topyli: its seems easier to notice since i'v cut it down to size but most the time i never even notice it!!!
[10:43] <eagles0513875> crdlb: where can i post the link to the site that has the patches for this particular wifi card
[10:43] <macvr> crdlb: worse is the no notification for updates!!!
[10:43] <topyli> macvr: ok
[10:44] <crdlb> macvr: yeah, that's OS X too apparently
[10:44] <macvr> crdlb: :|
[10:45] <crdlb> it's all over if he tries to switch to a global menu bar in karmic :)
[10:45] <eagles0513875> !wishlist
[10:45] <topyli> macvr: it's easy enough to get the update notifications back to your notification area. i do think there should be an UI for that, but i don't think this is a big problem
[10:45] <macvr> crdlb will sue the a$$ off of mark!!!
[10:46] <funkyHat> crdlb: I'd like to see the gnome global menu applet as an option, but I agree it shouldn't be the default, most people won't like it
[10:46] <crdlb> they need to make it work reliably with non-gtk+ apps first
[10:46] <macvr> crdlb: oops>>> i meant apple will sue the A$$ of mark !!!
[10:47] <funkyHat> crdlb: it already works with Qt apps (I think). It will most likely never work with Firefox
[10:47] <crdlb> I figured
[10:47] <topyli> funkyHat: it doesn't work with qt apps
[10:47] <macvr> topyli:  gconftool option exists... but for all those to whom i'v told about the update notification , they will just be searching for the icon!
[10:47] <funkyHat> topyli: oh
[10:48] <topyli> macvr: yes, old ubuntu users will be used to that
[10:48]  * crdlb actually doesn't use any non-gtk+ apps
[10:49] <crdlb> well, I used OOo to watch a ppt once
[10:49] <macvr> guys... i'v this flickering on the side of the screen while scrolling pages in firefox but dont know what to report the bug as...
[10:53] <macvr> i'm not sure if its a firefox bug or a xorg one...!
[10:54] <crdlb> if it only happens with firefox, I guess file it there
[10:54] <crdlb> even though it may very well be a driver problem
[10:55] <funkyHat> macvr: if you file it in the wrong place it can easily be moved. It affects firefox anyway
[10:55] <macvr> crdlb: but the thing is a few days back it used to happen even for nautilus but not only for firefox!
[10:55] <macvr> funkyHat: oh... ok..
[10:56] <macvr> funkyHat: do u have the same problem?
[10:58] <funkyHat> macvr: no
[10:59] <macvr> funkyHat: oh ok...
[11:01] <nandemonai> What's a decent / size minus /home for Jaunty?
[11:02] <macvr> nandemonai: 9GB should cover u well
[11:02] <nandemonai> Ah cool, was thinking around 10 so sweet.
[11:03] <macvr> nandemonai: i use 9 and alos use the / for backups... :)
[11:03] <macvr> also
[11:04] <nandemonai> Well I'm just allowing for logs, extra apps etc.
[11:04] <nandemonai> Pretty much everything else will be in /home on seperate partition.
[11:04] <nandemonai> Backups on seperate drive ;)
[11:06] <nandemonai> Ok well wish me luck, been testing on VM, now for my real machine :D
[11:06] <topyli> macvr: judging from the notification-properties dialog, it's supposed to support "themes", whatever they are. it seems to come with "standard" and "ubuntu" themes right now, the two of which look identical
[11:07] <macvr> topyli: that was a regression fo the notifications demon, that got accidentally shipped with alpha.. but it has been removed
[11:08] <topyli> macvr: what's been removed? the theme support?
[11:09] <macvr> topyli: there was no theme support for notify-osd, that settings u mention is actually for notification demon... which was left accidentally when alpha was shipped... but the beta now has that settings removed
[11:10] <macvr> topyli: initially i was happy that the themes was an option!!! but i was mislead by that mistake too!
[11:11] <topyli> macvr: oh ok
[11:13] <coz_> o0  I just realised I cant move the gnome panel
[11:14] <coz_> ah mm property options
[11:19] <crdlb> coz_: or use alt
[11:20] <coz_> crdlb,  mm i tried alt  nothing happens
[11:21] <crdlb> basically you move them like a regular window now
[11:21] <coz_> crdlb,  alt + drag?
[11:21] <crdlb> yes
[11:21] <macvr> coz_: are u sure its not locked down?
[11:21] <coz_> macvr, let me check
[11:22] <crdlb> if it lets you change the orientation in properties, alt-drag should work
[11:22] <coz_> nope it doest
[11:22] <coz_> where to check for locked down?
[11:22] <crdlb> unless you've changed the window drag key
[11:22] <crdlb> in sys > prefs > windows
[11:22] <coz_> hold on let me check
[11:24] <coz_> I dont see anything suggesting locking it under that and alt drag doesn work either for the panel anyway
[11:24] <coz_> nevermind
[11:24] <macvr> coz_: just right clock on the panel there will be an option to lock panel
[11:24] <coz_> apparently after open preferences   windows  it works now
[11:24] <crdlb> coz_: what is the movement key set to?
[11:24] <coz_> alt
[11:25] <coz_> its working now after opening pref/windows
[11:25] <crdlb> macvr: check again :P
[11:25] <crdlb> (that's not in jaunty)
[11:25] <coz_> no lock down here
[11:26] <macvr> crdlb: hei.... where did it go??? now only locking from config-editor?
[11:26] <crdlb> it was an ubuntu patch (I'm pretty sure)
[11:26] <coz_> another interesing problem  I normally dont have a bottom panel but just now added one and with compiz working the panel shows up mid screen
[11:26] <coz_> and alt drag wont move it mm let me disable compiz
[11:26] <Craig-GB> hi, umdate manager is asking for a partial upgrade however wishes to remove 'libopal3.4.2' 'libpt.2.4.2-plugins-alsa' 'libpt.2.4.2-plugins-v4l2' and 'nautilus-cd-burner', just wondering if anyone knows if i should let it go ahead and do this
[11:26] <BUGabundo> guud morning everyone
[11:27] <coz_> ooo works without compiz running
[11:27] <BUGabundo> anything new in last couple of days?
[11:27] <macvr> crdlb: i thought that since i had single panel that option wasnt shown...! guess things change!
[11:27] <coz_> macvr,  you also have singel panel?
[11:28] <coz_> macvr,  single
[11:28] <crdlb> Craig-GB: nautilus-cd-burner at least has been replaced by brasero
[11:28] <macvr> coz_: yeah.. feel that 2 panels are a waste of screen space!
[11:28] <coz_> macvr, same here  compiz running?
[11:28] <VSpike> I have a problem with the Gnome bluetooth app.  When I open the new device wizard, it shows no devices.  But "hcitool scan" finds my device instantly
[11:28] <macvr> coz_: yup.. compiz works fine...
[11:28] <coz_> macvr,  try creating another panel
[11:28] <Craig-GB> thanks, ah yeah, guessed that, just don't know about the other 3 it wants to remove
[11:30] <crdlb> Craig-GB: look if it wants to install newer versions of those same pages, eg libpt2.6.1*
[11:30] <crdlb> pkgs*
[11:30] <macvr> coz_: works fine for me... all the directions orient correctly... maybe try after relogging , if u still have same prob
[11:31] <coz_> macvr, here is what happens when I try to add a new panel while compiz is running  http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_4.png
[11:31] <coz_> cant move it either :)
[11:31] <coz_> brb
[11:31] <macvr> coz_: thats a wierd behavior... try loggong out and login
[11:33] <coz_> macvr,  nope still puts the panel in the center screen
[11:33] <coz_> mm
[11:34] <Craig-GB> gah can't belive i didn't notice that, yeah its going to replace them, awesome thanks for your help
[11:34] <coz_> no big deal I dont use two panels
[11:34] <macvr> coz_: try $killall gnome-panel
[11:34] <rconan> coz_: what's the problem?
[11:34] <coz_> ok hold on
[11:34] <coz_> oh man that made the singel panel open in the middle lol
[11:35] <coz_> and I cant move it lol
[11:35] <rconan> coz_: how are you trying to move it?
[11:35] <macvr> coz_: oops!!!
[11:35] <coz_> even with compiz off I cant move the darn thing lol
[11:35] <coz_> let me restart x hold on
[11:35] <macvr> rconan: chechout his screenshot
[11:36] <coz_> yikes lol
[11:36] <coz_> that fixed it :)
[11:36] <rconan> macvr: can't find it
[11:36] <macvr> coz_: now everything works fine?
[11:37] <coz_> macvr,  yes  lol
[11:37] <macvr> rconan: http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_4.png
[11:37] <coz_> macvr,  well no  let me check again
[11:37] <coz_> macvr,  nope second panel still opens in center of screen :)
[11:37] <lunie2ns-linux> hello, I just upgraded SoX and I need to add OGG Support and MP3 Support for SMILE...anyone can help me with this? I'm still pretty new to linux.
[11:38] <rconan> urgh...
[11:38] <rconan> weird
[11:38] <macvr> coz_: i think i'v seem this behaviour earlier but just not able to recall the solution... try googling
[11:38] <macvr> seen
[11:38] <rconan> coz_: have you tried removing the gnome configuration data and starting again?
[11:38] <coz_> macvr, sure I will  its not really a big deal I never use two panels
[11:39] <coz_> rconan, no I havent I will do that though in a bit  thanks :)
[11:39] <benste> which pacakge contains media codecs for using m3u playlists?
[11:39] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  I dont use SoX  but have you installed all of the codecs
[11:39] <macvr> coz_: think it had something to do with the screen resolution settings...
[11:39] <rconan> coz_: I warn you it's a random guess at the solution
[11:39] <rconan> benste: m3u is just a list of files... you don't need a codec
[11:39] <coz_> rconan, no problem I dont mind testing things
[11:40] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_: not sure how do i check?
[11:40] <coz_> macvr,  mm you think?  I do have dual monitors
[11:40] <macvr> coz_: what graphics card?
[11:40] <benste> rconan the problem is that rythmbox gives me searching codecs every startup and afterwards a failed cause of two m3u files in my ~/Musik
[11:40] <Rods_Tiger> I've installed Unbuntu 9.04 netbook version onto my Acer Aspire One. There's no internet - the wifi doesn't work.
[11:40] <rconan> coz_: is your top panel stretched accross them both?
[11:41] <rconan> benste: what files do those m3u's contain?
[11:41] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  well you could  do two things    sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-formats  and also google ubuntu restricted formats  however  a bit of a warning   that page  might take a little more experience to deal with but try it
[11:41] <rconan> try opening them with text editor
[11:41] <coz_> rconan, yes it is
[11:41] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_:  i was reading off here ...btw i dunno if this helps http://forum.kde.org/smile-0-8-4-t-6032.html
[11:41] <coz_> macvr, nvidia
[11:41] <rconan> coz_: twinview?
[11:41] <coz_> yes
[11:41] <doleyb> Rods_Tiger: I think installing madwifi source would fix it... although hopefully there's an easier method.
[11:42] <coz_> rconan,  and I have it set to maximize windows across both monitors  that may actually be the problem
[11:42] <Rods_Tiger> so what do I have to do? is it complicated?
[11:42] <macvr> coz_: i think it is something in the resolution settings, check if ur monitors are detected properly
[11:42] <coz_> although this never happened before
[11:42] <coz_> macvr, they are detected
[11:42] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_:  E: Couldn't find package ubuntu-restricted-formats
[11:42] <benste> rconan: #EXTM3U
[11:42] <benste> #EXTINF:495,Ollie & Gideon - Trailer
[11:42] <benste> 2008-12-19-WSN-Trailer.MP3
[11:42] <benste> and repeating the last two lines with different file names so MP3 only
[11:42] <rconan> coz_: ok... so that's by design
[11:42] <macvr> coz_: u need to remember this is still beta so buggy, could get new probs!
[11:42] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, mm it should be in the repository
[11:43] <lunie2ns-linux> u mean restricted-extras?
[11:43] <coz_> macvr,  yeah i realize that thats why  I though it was funny :)
[11:43] <doleyb> Rods_Tiger: Well take a look at this bug, I think it shows your problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/182489
[11:43] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, yes
[11:43] <rconan> benste: wonder if it's the capitalised .MP3 extension... do the files have that too?
[11:43] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, you are running KDE?
[11:43] <lunie2ns-linux> no
[11:43] <coz_> oh
[11:43] <Rods_Tiger> that looks ridiculously technical and complicated
[11:44] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, that link you gave me was for kde thats why i asked
[11:44] <Rods_Tiger> where do I start?
[11:44] <benste> rconan, yes they ahve
[11:44] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_:  in it says "You must install libogg-dev and libvorbis-dev and
[11:44] <lunie2ns-linux> libmad-dev and after compile sox from this address
[11:44] <lunie2ns-linux> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/sox/s...z?download
[11:44] <lunie2ns-linux> because on Ubuntu sox is compiled without ogg
[11:44] <lunie2ns-linux> support and SMILE need it
[11:44] <lunie2ns-linux> oops
[11:44] <rconan> benste: that's odd
[11:44] <coz_> yep it does say that lunie2ns-linux
[11:44] <lunie2ns-linux> so i assume i can use with ubuntu
[11:45] <doleyb> Rods_Tiger: Yeah, I'm not good at giving directions for that.  I was hoping someone else could point you to easier instructions.
[11:45] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, I would think so if you compile it properly
[11:45] <Rods_Tiger> I don't understand any of it - it needs to just say what to do, really, without the mumbo-jumbo
[11:45] <benste> rconan: opening manually with rythmbox works fine :-)
[11:45] <doleyb> Rods_Tiger: Because I'd think that fixing this 7+ month old hardware incompatibility would have been a real high priority... I have the same wifi chip and use it with ubuntu 8.04
[11:45] <coz_> I know I have one big issue with 9.04  I keep getting corrupted pkgcache.bin and srcpkgcache.bin
[11:46] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_: ok i installed libogg and libvorbis...couldnt find libmad...then ran sox again and it said was already newest version..
[11:46] <coz_> pl
[11:46] <coz_> ok
[11:46] <coz_> sorry
[11:46] <doleyb> Rods_Tiger: So I was really hoping that it would have been fixed already in 9.04, and you wouldn't need to work at it.
[11:46] <rconan> benste: sorry... sounds like a rythmbox bug
[11:46] <rconan> benste: checked the tracker?
[11:46] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, hold on let me check something
[11:46] <Rods_Tiger> that's exactly what I'd assumed - that wifi might be somewhat important
[11:47] <benste> rconan not yet but I'll switch to ryhtmbox IRC :-) cause rythmbox now declares it as a bug itself :-9
[11:47] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  sox is in the repository
[11:47] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, sudo apt-get install sox
[11:47] <Rods_Tiger> so I've wasted all morning installing a linux that doesn't work on wireless. I didn't realise that. Still. Live and learn.
[11:47] <doleyb> Rods_Tiger: Well, its not super-hard to fix.
[11:47] <Rods_Tiger> I can't see how.
[11:47] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_:  but when i run SMILE, it says the SOX is installed but not OGG Support and MP3 Support for SoX
[11:47] <doleyb> Rods_Tiger: If you want to try it, start by going madwifi.org and getting a source tar
[11:48] <crdlb> it's not "wireless" that's broken, it's one specific chipset
[11:48] <Rods_Tiger> oh bloody hell, that sounds technical. Forget it.
[11:48] <benste> rconan: ryhtmbox is part of gnome isn't it?
[11:48] <Rods_Tiger> what other linux version might work better? I was thinking about fedora 10
[11:48] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_: sox is already the newest version.
[11:48] <doleyb> crdlb: It's a specific chipset that is enormously popular and supported by other distros for almost a year.
[11:48] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, ,mm hold on
[11:48] <maxb> Rods_Tiger: What hardware?
[11:48] <rconan> benste: not sure... might not be
[11:48] <Rods_Tiger> Acer Aspire One
[11:49] <benste> rconan: it is, found the IRC now :-)
[11:49] <rconan> benste: cool
[11:49] <maxb> Rods_Tiger: Wait, you're using Jaunty?
[11:49] <Rods_Tiger> I just want something that works - I don't want to fart around doing technical stuff or programming or complicated things like that.
[11:49] <Rods_Tiger> ubuntu
[11:49] <maxb> Yes, which version of Ubuntu.
[11:50] <Rods_Tiger> I don't know - I've only just put it on
[11:50] <Rods_Tiger> I'll find out
[11:51] <maxb> Rods_Tiger: Well, I can tell you that the latest release works fine on the Aspire One if you install an extra package (linux-backports-modules-intrepid), and the development version works fine out of the box.
[11:51] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  are you trying to convert files?
[11:51] <Rods_Tiger> I can't see how to find out
[11:51] <maxb> Run lsb_release -c
[11:51] <Rods_Tiger> I can't see how to install things without wifi working
[11:52] <Rods_Tiger> what's the development version? maybe I should use that
[11:52] <crdlb> you don't have wired internet?
[11:52] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  try sudo apt-get install libsox-fmt-ogg
[11:52] <maxb> No, you definitely should not.
[11:52] <Rods_Tiger> wireless
[11:52] <crdlb> those are not mutually exclusive
[11:52] <BUGabundo> Rods_Tiger: $ cat /proc/version
[11:52] <Rods_Tiger> it's a BT Homehub
[11:52] <Rods_Tiger> eh?
[11:52] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  that shold enable the support in sox you want
[11:52] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_:  no when i run SMILE it says some dependencies are missing, IE: SOX - OGG Support and SOX - MP3 Support
[11:52] <BUGabundo> hey crdlb maxb
[11:53] <rconan> Rods_Tiger: they have wired connections too don't they
[11:53] <rconan> ?
[11:53] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, right
[11:53] <maxb> BUGabundo: Well.... that'll say the kernel version, not the Ubuntu version.
[11:53] <doleyb> Rods_Tiger: Maybe you can follow this page http://madberry.org/2008/11/how-to-get-atheros-ar242x-to-work-on-810-intrepid-ibex/
[11:53] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  so try installing that library for sox -ogg support
[11:53] <Rods_Tiger> I don't have any wires, and it's too far away to connect wires to anyway
[11:53] <crdlb> ...
[11:53] <doleyb> Rods_Tiger: Far away?  But it is a 12 cm device, you can carry it anyplace.
[11:53] <BUGabundo> maxb: correct! yours better
[11:54] <maxb> Rods_Tiger: Note that this channel is devoted to support of the development version of Ubuntu, which I'm fairly certain you're not using.
[11:54] <Rods_Tiger> no, I'm not going to mess around programming things. I'm going to install something that works. Ubuntu obviously wasn't that.
[11:54] <Rods_Tiger> I don't have any wires despite the size of the device.
[11:54] <macvr> Rods_Tiger: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireOne <<< have u checked this site for help?
[11:54] <crdlb> according to wikipedia, the BT homehub comes with an cat5e cable
[11:54] <crdlb> s/an/a/
[11:54] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_: E: Package libsox-fmt-ogg has no installation candidate
[11:54] <doleyb> maxb: he was sent here from #ubuntu because he said he had 9.04
[11:54] <Rods_Tiger> mine doesn't.
[11:54] <maxb> doleyb: Oh
[11:54] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, ooo  damn
[11:54] <Rods_Tiger> mine was one of the first - engineer installed
[11:55] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, let me check here hold on
[11:55] <maxb> Rods_Tiger: Do you want to tell us what running "lsb_release -c" says?
[11:55] <Rods_Tiger> eh?
[11:55] <Rods_Tiger> what does that mean?
[11:55] <rconan> Rods_Tiger: run "lsb_release -c" in a terminal
[11:55] <maxb> Rods_Tiger: We want to establish what version of Ubuntu you're actually using
[11:55] <Rods_Tiger> am I in the wrong page?
[11:55] <Rods_Tiger> ah
[11:55] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  you're correct that library is not in 9.04 repositories
[11:55] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_:  FYI this is everything ive done sofar http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=898281
[11:55] <lunie2ns-linux> ok
[11:56] <Rods_Tiger> lsb command not found
[11:56] <rconan> Rods_Tiger: that's an underscore after lsb not a space
[11:56] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  open synaptic pacakge manager   hit Search  type in sox   you will see the libraries avaiable for it
[11:56] <Rods_Tiger> ah
[11:56] <lunie2ns-linux> coz also says... However the following packages replace it: libsox-fmt-base.. but i have this installed most recent version
[11:56] <lunie2ns-linux> ok
[11:57] <Rods_Tiger> it says no arguments are permeitted
[11:57] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, mm  hold on let me read further
[11:57] <Rods_Tiger> no, this is not working out. I'll try Fedora 10 instead.
[11:58] <Rods_Tiger> or go back to the original Acer Aspire One linpus that was on it in the first place, but has out of date firefox on it.
[11:58] <macvr> Rods_Tiger: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireOne check this page before u give up/
[11:58] <Rods_Tiger> ok
[11:58] <BUGabundo> macvr: don't bother1
[11:58] <rconan> Rods_Tiger: feel free, it would be good of you to tell us what version of ubuntu you were running thouhg
[11:58] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_:  only thing in synaptic not installed was libsox-dev i believe..ill be afk for about 5 minutes...
[11:58] <BUGabundo> we can't convert *everyone*
[11:58] <maxb> Rods_Tiger: *shrug* Ig that's what you want to do, do it.
[11:58] <maxb> *If
[11:58] <Rods_Tiger> I don't know what version it is
[11:59] <BUGabundo> we will help those that want our help
[11:59] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, did you compile sox?
[11:59] <BUGabundo> not make a religion out of this
[11:59] <rconan> Rods_Tiger: which requires you running "lsb_release -c"
 I've installed Unbuntu 9.04 netbook version onto my Acer Aspire One. There's no internet - the wifi doesn't work.
[11:59] <Rods_Tiger> I tried that, it says no arguments or something
[11:59] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_:  what do u mean by compile? its installed... if thats what u mean
[11:59] <Rods_Tiger> no arguments are permitted
[11:59] <crdlb> Rods_Tiger: that's because you forgot the - in -c
[11:59] <BUGabundo> Rods_Tiger: on a terminal run this: cat /etc/lsb_release
[11:59] <Rods_Tiger> ah
[11:59] <crdlb> or you put a space between them
[12:00] <crdlb> precision is important
[12:00] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, no I meant manual install configuring from source pacakge   and you didnt apparenlty
[12:00] <BUGabundo> Rods_Tiger: cat /etc/lsb-release
[12:00] <Rods_Tiger> it's phenomenally fussy isn't it. It says "jaunty"
[12:00] <BUGabundo> me and underscores !
[12:00] <macvr> BUGabundo: realized he was getting too much advice for a lot of people, just felt that aleast for his wasted time he should be sure he has really wasted time, than jumping to conclsions!
[12:00] <maxb> Rods_Tiger: Right, well, I can tell you that I'm running Jaunty on my Aspire One and the wireless works just fine.
[12:00] <lunie2ns-linux> oh noe..but like i said...be afk for about 5 minutes..can i do this still with it already isntalled?
[12:00] <Rods_Tiger> I hope it's not like this for the rest of the time if it ever does start working
[12:00] <lunie2ns-linux> afk
[12:01] <Rods_Tiger> I don't want to be typing in programming stuff forever
[12:01] <maxb> Rods_Tiger: I would also note that running a pre-release version of the OS is not the best idea if you're looking for stability.
[12:01] <BUGabundo> Rods_Tiger: try ubuntu network remix! it should have FULL support for your acer
[12:01] <Rods_Tiger> ok
[12:01] <Rods_Tiger> this is the netbook one
[12:01] <rconan> Rods_Tiger: why are you using jaunty over intrepid?
[12:01] <BUGabundo> Rods_Tiger: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook-remix/daily-live/current/
[12:01] <Rods_Tiger> I've no idea
[12:01] <rconan> Rods_Tiger: then I recommend you use intrepid...
[12:01] <Rods_Tiger> does it make a difference?
[12:01] <Rods_Tiger> ok
[12:02] <BUGabundo> WAIT
[12:02] <macvr> Rods_Tiger: jaunty is still in beta!
[12:02] <BUGabundo> are you beeing it by bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/319825 ?
[12:02] <maxb> Oh gosh, I'm sure that'll be it
[12:02] <maxb> I'd totally forgotten that I'd blacklisted that locally already
[12:03] <maxb> and I'm the one who filed that bug, too :-)
[12:03] <BUGabundo> LOLOLOLOLOL
[12:03] <macvr> BUGabundo:  that stupid killswitch problem has been around for quite a while !!!
[12:03] <BUGabundo> yeah
[12:03] <BUGabundo> affected me for a while with this laptop
[12:03] <BUGabundo> no HARD button
[12:03] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  what are you tring to do with smile?
[12:04] <BUGabundo> got me to interpid and then jaunty to fix it properly
[12:04] <macvr> BUGabundo: works ok in jaunty though..
[12:04] <BUGabundo> humm sometimes
[12:04] <BUGabundo> I don't think its 100% fixed
[12:04] <BUGabundo> at least I turned it once off, hibernated, and required to reboot to make it ON again
[12:04] <macvr> BUGabundo: no .. thats y i said works OK...!!!
[12:05] <benste> I've installed gadmin-proftpd on a 9.04 system, I'm able to ping this system, but I can't connect with FTP, the server itself is running (tested psaux), but the gui says it's not running,
[12:05] <benste> what else can I do to connect to the FTp?
[12:05] <macvr> BUGabundo:  i didnt have that hibernat prob in jaunty...
[12:06] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_:  back
[12:06] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  isnt Smile a kde app?
[12:07] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  and what are you wanting to do with smile?
[12:08] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_: think so.. but it says it runs with ubuntu on that forum and it is running just missing the mp3 and ogg support for Sox...
[12:08] <coz_> mm
[12:08] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  I bet when you installed that it also installed mane kde libs  most likely
[12:08] <coz_> many kde libs rather
[12:09] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_: ah..and to check out making the 3d slideshows and whatnot to answer your question..
[12:10] <lunie2ns-linux> can i run KDE on ubuntu....?or would i have to re set everything up?
[12:10] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  3d slideshow? oh ok  I know there is a command line tool named  Diascope  but that may too much for you right now
[12:11] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, well KDE is another desktop environment  as is Gnome  and you would have to install all of kde and when you boot  , right where you log in you would click sessions  and choose kde instead of gnome
[12:11] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  I dont normally suggest that especially for someone new to linux
[12:11] <lunie2ns-linux> ok...
[12:12] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  you could burn the kubuntu disk and install that instead
[12:12] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  but i have no more inforamtioin about this Smile application on gnome
[12:12] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_:  i was wondering about having to reset everything up because it was a pain getting my wifi to work had to install ndiswrapper or something and all kinds of other stuff
[12:13] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  yes you would most likely have to reset everything
[12:13] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, you may want to google     linux slide show creators  or slide show applicatioins
[12:13] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  see if any are native to gnome
[12:14] <lunie2ns-linux> but if i just added the KDE environment onto my existing ubuntu installation, would it carry configurations like that over?
[12:14] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  no probably not
[12:14] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  you would have to start at the beginning configureing things again
[12:15] <lunie2ns-linux> ok well that is the only thing driver wise that didnt work from the getgo, but it took a while to get running
[12:15] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, but then I dont do this myself so I have no real knowledge of it
[12:15] <lunie2ns-linux> ok
[12:16] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  its probably better to get used to linux as you have it  ... look for applications that are native to gnome  ... if you go to Applications/Add/Remove  you will see many apps listed in a menu like format
[12:16] <coz_> you also have a search field there that can help
[12:16] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, see what is already avaiable that does the same or similar thing
[12:17] <lunie2ns-linux> well  i can run SMILE now, its just I wont have mp3 or ogg support i assume the program opens up..just gives me the dialog box saying those dependencies are missing from Sox but it still runs...just need to find out how to have sox have mp3 and ogg support which the forums say could be added..but how do i compile it after,..and i installed 2 of the 3...but it didnt see libmad, do i need to do that manually?
[12:17] <lunie2ns-linux> k
[12:17] <coz_> ok let me check one more thing
[12:17] <benste> connecting to remote ftp I get the following error, what did I wrong? 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection
[12:18] <Raylz> where are downloaded but not yet installed packages stored
[12:19] <BUGabundo> Raylz: ah?
[12:19] <BUGabundo> Raylz:  /var/cache/apt/archive ?
[12:19] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  see if you have the libmp3lame and libmp3lame-dev installed
[12:19] <BUGabundo> there where's everything goes
[12:19] <Raylz> BUGabundo: ty
[12:20] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  then open a terminal and type   sudo apt-get build-dep  sox
[12:21] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_: E: Build-dependencies for sox could not be satisfied.
[12:21] <coz_> mmm
[12:21] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  you are running ubuntu 9.04 correct?
[12:21] <macvr> hi all... does the notification popup when u insert a pendrive?
[12:21] <lunie2ns-linux> correct
[12:22] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, ok part of this may be due to the fact that 9.04 is still beta
[12:22] <lunie2ns-linux> ok..
[12:22] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  however  if you go here  http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=10706&package_id=10311&release_id=639113
[12:23] <coz_> Lunar_Lamp, you can download the current source package of sox
[12:23] <coz_> Lunar_Lamp, sorry
[12:23] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  that was for you  http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=10706&package_id=10311&release_id=639113
[12:23] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  but dont do anything until  jaunty is released
[12:23] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  have you done all o f the  updates for jaunty yet?
[12:23] <lunie2ns-linux> where?
[12:24] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  well  you could open a terminal and type  sudo apt-ge
[12:24] <coz_> soryy
[12:24] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,   open a terminal and type   sudo apt-get update
[12:24] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  then   sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  but  WARNING  this could break the driver you installed for your wireless  but I am not sure
[12:26] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  you can do both of those command to see if there are major updates especially kernel updates that might effect that driver  but you dont have to commit to them just type  N
[12:26] <coz_> for no
[12:26] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:26] <unknown_> Hello Guys
[12:27] <macvr> lunie2ns-linux: coz_ or dist upgrae can be done by  >>update-manager -d
[12:27] <unknown_> I've got one small question... is it normal (optimal) that my xorg.conf is empty? :/
[12:27] <BUGabundo> hey BluesKaj unknown_
[12:27] <BUGabundo> unknown_: yes
[12:27] <BluesKaj> hi BUGabundo
[12:27] <coz_> macvr,  yep I thought in terminal would give the opportunity to see how that works  and read the updates easily
[12:28] <unknown_> hello BUGabundo
[12:28] <benste> no one here ever tried to setup an FTP server?
[12:29] <BluesKaj> i have filezilla setup and it's both server and client
[12:29] <BUGabundo> benste: I just use SSH
[12:29] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_: ok says needs 540MB of archives and 6111kb disk space will be freed...
[12:30] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, for what?
[12:30] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  all the updates?
[12:30] <lunie2ns-linux> dist-upgrade
[12:30] <coz_> mmm
[12:30] <lunie2ns-linux> try it?
[12:30] <topyli> benste: that's not really a jaunty question, but yes it's dead simple to setup vsftpd
[12:31] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux,  not yet  .. i would speak to one of the support people here to be sure    I am half asleep  and cant think clearly
[12:31] <topyli> benste: not too many use cases for an ftp sever these days though
[12:31] <benste> Bugabundo, topyli, I installed it in a VM using jaunty, cause vbox doesn't work fine with guest additions, and ssh is a bit complicated for it isn't it? I've installed gadmin-proftpd
[12:31] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo , what advantage does ssh have over ftp ? I thought they had different uses.
[12:32] <lunie2ns-linux> ok or see if later if anyone knows how to add mp3/ogg support maybe...i still have the log from the person that helped me get my wifi driver workign tho, so i imagine if it breaks i can just follow all that again..hopefully
[12:32] <x4d> Hello, I'm trying out Jaunty and I noticed that remote desktop does not work properly, I've seen this happen in mint kde and kubuntu 8.10, after the connection is established the first frame is drawn and no more. I can see the mouse moving around but no other actions like menus or windows. Is there a fix for this ?
[12:32] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, yes please .. you want to do as much research first before doing anything incluiding the updates
[12:32] <BUGabundo> benste: SSH is a bit more CPU heavy but comes by default
[12:33] <unknown_> do You know any good way to disable touchpad when typing? I found syndaemon, but it doesn't seems to work
[12:33] <BUGabundo> and you also have SAMBA
[12:33] <BUGabundo> unknown_: wasn't that abnadoned?
[12:33] <BUGabundo> maco ping
[12:33] <BUGabundo> ^^^^^^^^^^^
[12:33] <macvr> lunie2ns-linux: mp3 works fine for me...
[12:33] <lunie2ns-linux> coz_: ok well thanks for your help :-)
[12:33] <lunie2ns-linux> macvr: im trying to add mp3/ogg support to Sox
[12:34] <coz_> lunie2ns-linux, sorry for the sleepyness :)  but in all honesty please check with the support people here :)
[12:34] <macvr> lunie2ns-linux: oh... ok
[12:34] <coz_> be back later
[12:34] <unknown_> BUGabundo: I'm not sure, but its worked fine on 8.10 :)
[12:35] <BUGabundo> unknown_: I know maco once comment on that... not sure how it is now
[12:35] <macvr> BUGabundo: syndaemon doesnt work?
[12:36] <unknown_> macvr: at least for me :/
[12:36] <macvr> unknown_: it crashes for me too...
[12:37] <unknown_> macvr: for me doesn't crash, but simply doesn't work ;)
[12:38] <macvr> unknown_: thats the only thing that has crashed for me several times...
[12:38] <unknown_> so, there's no way to disable touchpad now when typing? It's annoying when you type something and you touch TP and coursor goes into middle of text..
[12:39] <macvr> unknown_: i think it works partly... wait let me check it out again
[12:39] <unknown_> thanks macvr
[12:41] <unknown_> I know that on 8.10 was needed to put Option    "SHMConfig"         "true" in xorg.conf now xorg.conf is total empty :/
[12:41] <robin0800> unknown_: you can disable completly in the mouse prefs.
[12:41] <macvr> unknown_: check again it is working for me..
[12:41] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[12:42] <benste> who's the one I could ask to update gstreamer version to 0.10.11 cause of a bug?
[12:42] <unknown_> robin0800: I can't disable it completly, I'm using it..
[12:42] <macvr> unknown_: first open system monitor and check if any instances are running , if so kill them all>> then try this $syndaemon -d -i 10
[12:43] <unknown_> macvr: nothing..
[12:44] <macvr> unknown_: nothing meaning nothings running or nothing works>
[12:44] <unknown_> nothing works macvr
[12:45] <macvr> unknown_: syndaemon -d -i 10 this command works perfectly for me, ... after u ran that did u check again for any instances of syndaemon?
[12:45] <unknown_> its running but doesn't work.. 29406 ?        Ss     0:00 syndaemon -d -i 10
[12:46] <unknown_> macvr: do You have also empty xorg.conf?
[12:46] <macvr> unknown_: oh i forgot... xorg.conf is not used now
[12:46] <macvr> unknown_: wait ... u need to create a file for the SHM...
[12:47] <unknown_> before it was in xorg.conf... now I got only there "Option "DontZap" "False" :)
[12:47] <macvr> unknown_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad#shmconfig < this is the new method used... xorg is not used
[12:48] <unknown_> Thank You macvr, I'll let know if thats works :)
[12:49] <macvr> unknown_: np... it works...
[12:50] <unknown_> ok, according to this small tutorial, I must reboot, I'll be back soon :)
[12:50] <macvr> unknown_: also add syndaemon to startup
[12:52] <ActionParsnip> !dontzap
[12:54] <aoupi> anyone here who also has trouble with play/pause in mplayer using pulse?
[12:55] <unknown_> macvr: works great! thanks a lot
[12:56] <macvr> unknown_: np... for me i had to change it for intrepid itself... i wonder ,how come xorg  worked for u!!!
[12:57] <aoupi> nevermind found it's a pulse bug http://www.pulseaudio.org/ticket/440
[13:00] <unknown_> maybe you know also why I've got a problem with bluetooth :P its funny cause when I open "browse device" it points me directly to /Other folder on memory card, I can't move anywhere else. In Nautilius it shows me address obex://[hwaddr]/
[13:04] <nandemonai> Does that hot-key issue noted in the topic affect teminal copy/paste?
[13:05] <nandemonai> I can't seem to copy using Ctrl-Shift-C but paste works fine.
[13:05] <dreamcoder> join #jaunty
[13:05] <dreamcoder> oops
[13:06] <ActionParsnip> nandemonai: does ctrl+insert work?
[13:06] <maxb> nandemonai: No that's a different kind of hotkey
[13:06] <maxb> (laptop hotkeys)
[13:07] <nandemonai> Oh right weird..
[13:07] <nandemonai> Well I can right click copy (in term) then Ctrl-Shift-V to paste but Ctrl-Shift-C doesn't seem to be working.
[13:08] <nandemonai> And no, appears Ctrl-Insert does squat.
[13:08] <IntuitiveNipple> Ctrl+Shift+C works for me with gnome-terminal
[13:09] <nandemonai> Odd indeed.
[13:09] <IntuitiveNipple> nandemonai: have you got some compiz plugin using that key sequence?
[13:09] <nandemonai> Only the default 'normal' compiz via appearance.
[13:10] <IntuitiveNipple> I often wish there was just one place to check all current key assignments
[13:10] <nandemonai> Under edit -> keyboard shortcuts in gnome term it's showing the right combos.
[13:11] <nandemonai> brb reboot
[13:14] <nandemonai> Ok well that's really weird, now it's working. *shrugs*
[13:21] <ActionParsnip> nandemonai: no bad thing, reboot to make sure its the same after a cold boot
[13:23] <nandemonai> yeah just did and all seems well. Might have had something to do with it being first boot after a bunch of updates, enabling compiz and restricted driver (nvidia)
[13:23] <nandemonai> Now next issue, has anyone been able to get VMware 1.0.9 to install under Jaunty?
[13:23] <nandemonai> I'm getting build errors on the modules.
[13:27] <cumulus007> Hi, I'm running Kubuntu Jaunty 64-bit
[13:28] <cumulus007> the adobe flash player plugin in Firefox worked fine, until yesterday
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> !jaunty | cumulus007
[13:28] <cumulus007> all I see now is a plain, grey box
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> oops
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> habit
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> cumulus007: have you tried getting the 64bit tar.gz of flash and extracting the .so file to ~/.mozilla/plugins
[13:29]  * deany resisting the urge to install a beta.. 
[13:29] <cumulus007> no I didn't. I experienced this before, and I think I got the solution
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> cumulus007: head back if its no good
[13:29] <cumulus007> firefox tells me on the console: Wrong ELF class
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> cumulus007: yep you got the 32bit flash
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> cumulus007: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html
[13:31] <cumulus007> ActionParsnip: I haven't old you the strangest part.. sometimes, it works fine
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> cumulus007: mkdir ~/.mozilla/plugins
[13:31] <cumulus007> like now:
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> cumulus007: then extract the archive at the bottom of the page to home and cp the .so file to ~/.mozilla/plugins
[13:32] <cumulus007> http://imagebin.ca/view/ByH97mB8.html
[13:32] <cumulus007> okay, will try that
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> cumulus007: once thats done close ALL firefoxes and restart it
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> cumulus007: all good?
[13:43] <cumulus007> busy
[14:03] <nandemonai> Ah sweet, for infos sake, VMware Server 1.0.9 works if you use the patch for Intrepid.
[14:03] <BUGabundo> back
[14:04] <ActionParsnip> nandemonai: submit a bug, share the knowledge
[14:04] <nandemonai> More of a VMware bug though no?
[14:04] <ActionParsnip> nandemonai: i'm sure it'll get communicated
[14:04] <nandemonai> Okies will do then.
[14:13] <deany> vmware has poor linux support
[14:13] <deany> hence, i switched to vbox
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> deany: ive had no issue with it when i played with VMs
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> deany: but vbox is much easier
[14:14] <nandemonai> Unfortunately I'm tied to VMware due to uni.
[14:14] <nandemonai> How is VBox these days?
[14:14] <deany> it was always a module compiling issue with newer distros.. host and guest
[14:15] <deany> they dont acknowledge any such issues tho.. so you end up just havin to patch all the time
[14:15] <deany> new vbox (2.2) out as we speak. :)
[14:15] <nandemonai> Mmm, I'm just lucky the Intrepid patch took. Certainly not my cup o tea.
[14:16] <nandemonai> vbox wont play vmware machines though.. will it?
[14:16] <deany> i found vbox less hungry too.  vmware is a nice product tho
[14:16] <deany> there is a converter around somewhere.
[14:16] <deany> google it.. read it once somewhere.
[14:16] <nandemonai> Ooo I may just have to check that out.
[14:17] <nandemonai> Having to play the patch game every kernel upgrade is getting tedious.
[14:17] <deany> think its more like convert to some standard format, then to vbox.
[14:17] <deany> somewhere on libernix or howtoforge i think.
[14:17] <ActionParsnip> deany: its the bane of closed sourceness
[14:18] <nandemonai> I fully agree but yeah I'm kinda tied to it for study purposes at the moment.
[14:18] <deany> nandemonai, how much trouble would it be to just reinstall and restore a backup of /home?  or is it more complicated
[14:19] <nandemonai> Hmm? What do you mean?
[14:19] <nandemonai> I'm on a fresh Jaunty install as of this evening.
[14:19] <deany> the vm i mean, not your host.
[14:20] <nandemonai> Oh right heh
[14:20] <deany> rather than converting
[14:20] <nandemonai> Well I need Win / Linux and *ughh* netware images from Uni so quite painful.
[14:21] <nandemonai> The Linux ones would be fine to rebuild but the win/netware vms are a diff story.
[14:22] <deany> probably best to just stay as you are.  just dont upgrade kernels if you dont need to :)
[14:23] <nandemonai> Yeah that's it. I just couldn't resist the alure of Jaunty :P
[14:23] <nandemonai> I gotta say, it's so much quicker than Intrepid. <3
[14:24] <nandemonai> And apart from some weird shortcuts not working initially it's running fine so far *touch wood*
[14:24] <aRahim> hello
[14:25] <aRahim> upgraded to jaunty 2day
[14:25] <aRahim> but found my eth0 link to be down
[14:25] <aRahim> and i have to 'sudo ifconfig eth0 up' from terminal after every boot up
[14:25] <aRahim> how to activate eth0 to come up automatically at boot up
[14:25] <nandemonai> Did you use the alternate installer?
[14:26] <deany> with my intrepid configured the way it is, i wouldnt dare an upgrade
[14:26] <nandemonai> I noticed that when I installed it wrote a /etc/network/interfaces file that prevented network manager handling the connection.
[14:26] <aRahim> i used 'update-manager -d'
[14:26] <aRahim> from intrepid
[14:26] <deany> i tihnkk upgrades work from a fresh install of the earlier version :)
[14:26] <deany> think*
[14:27] <cumulus007> put the ifup command into your /etc/rc,local
[14:27] <nandemonai> Ah okies. aRahim, have you got anything in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[14:27] <cumulus007> , >> .
[14:27] <deany> anything else, forget it.. from my experience anyway.
[14:28] <aRahim> nandemonai: o  let me pastebin
[14:28] <nandemonai> deany: Yeah I didn't take the chance, went clean ;)
[14:29] <deany> time needed to setup apps again compared to time needed to fix problems....nahh.
[14:29] <aRahim> ok here http://pastebin.com/d6c971e02
[14:29] <nandemonai> hehe exactly my toughts deany ;)
[14:31] <nandemonai> aRahim: Hmm well looks like that should work. I found that /etc/network/interfaces was preventing NM handling my connections and what I did was mv it to a backup and rebooted, then reconfigured my connections in NM. You could give that a go.
[14:32] <aRahim> nandemonai: ok
[14:32] <mvo> deany: upgrade should work wether fresh install or not
[14:32] <nandemonai> aRahim: Although, in that paste you have eth0 set as manual yet no settings so that could be messing things up too.
[14:32] <aRahim> nandemonai: so should i edit that line?
[14:32] <mvo> deany: there are often problem caused by third party addons, but stuff that comes from the ubuntu repo will upgrade cleanly most of the time
[14:33] <nandemonai> aRahim: So yeah try my suggestion first, mv the file to a backup like interfaces.bak or something, reboot and set up the connection through NM.
[14:33] <aRahim> ok
[14:33] <nandemonai> If that doesn't work reinstate the backup and fill in settings for IP, DNS etc etc
[14:33] <aRahim> thanks a lot
[14:33] <aRahim> bye
[14:33] <nandemonai> No worries, gl.
[14:34] <sh_> Can someone help re sound problems with upgrade from 8 > 9.04? No sound at all after upgrading yesterday. solutions in forum did not work
[14:35] <deany> ^ mvo  heh.
[14:36] <deany> guess i cant seem to shake the "fresh install" feeling from windows days.
[14:36] <deany> nobodys perfect..
[14:38] <mvo> deany: I'm certainly not denying that there are problem. but I have nott reinstalled my desktop since ~2005 (had to actually look up when in the synaptic history :)
[14:39] <timc> Hello! Will Jaunty 9.04 include Okular 0.8.2? Intrepid 8.10 has Okular 0.7.4.
[14:39] <maxb> timc: You can check package versions at http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[14:40] <dooglus> when I double-click on a flash applet inside firefox it loses keyboard focus
[14:40] <timc> thanks maxb
[14:40] <dooglus> is there some way to stop that happening?
[14:46] <timc> will ubuntu learn from fedora, and categorize System
[14:46] <timc> err
[14:46] <timc> System -> Preferences
[14:48] <timc> It's alright if we keep it as a giant list of things that runs off the screen, but I'm just curious! Alright, thanks again maxb, back to work!
[14:48] <sh_> its not off my screen :)
[14:50] <timc> of course it's not. with a name like sh_  you probably don't even start x :)
[14:51] <rconan> it should at least scroll or make a double list if it runs offscreen
[14:51] <sh_> €o_O
[14:51] <rconan> methinks this is a bug
[14:52] <BUGabundo> any body wants to join in the discussion of bug 357719 ?
[14:52] <rconan> mine does it too running 1024x768
[14:52] <rconan> I think ubuntu should still be aiming to support that res
[14:53] <timc> sorry rconan, i wasn't being serious. mine scrolls. it's just clumsy.
[14:53] <BDis> How stable is 64 bit 9.04?
[14:53] <BUGabundo> BDis: as stable as it can get
[14:53] <maxb> As stable as 32 bit 9.04
[14:53] <rconan> oh... in actual fact mine fits perfectly to the screen
[14:54] <rconan> key point... *not* stable
[14:54] <rconan> since it's a beta release
[14:54] <unixdawg> beta we dont need no stinking beta
[14:55] <declan> V8237
[14:55] <declan> Hello Everyone. I'm looking for some help with sound on jaunty.
[14:55] <Tumie> the update-manager says that i need to do a small upgrade, but if I do that, it just doesn't starts upgrading
[14:56] <declan> Tried googling, ubuntu forums, messing about; no joy. Sound is completely dead. I have a V8237
[14:56] <sh_> declan: same problem here
[14:56] <declan> Ah. So it's probably a bug. I'm using kubuntu, are you on Gubuntu?
[14:56] <sh_> declan: ive tried the forums too.. none of the solutions work
[14:57] <rconan> I assume you both have all the updates?
[14:57] <rconan> Tumie: what happens if you run "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" at terminl?
[14:57] <declan> sh_: damn. Not good. Was hoping it'd be sorted by the beta.
[14:57] <declan> I have all updates. Updated minutes ago.
[14:57] <sh_> rconan: i just updated from 8..does that include everything needed?
[14:57] <rconan> sh_: yeah
[14:58] <Tumie> rconan: he is now upgrading
[14:58] <rconan> sh_: I assume you mean 8.10 ?
[14:58] <lunie2ns-linux> Does anyone know how to add MP3 and OGG support to Sox?.......
[14:58] <Tumie> rconan: it works, ty :)
[14:58] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: ping
[14:58] <mvo> Tumie: what does it do instead?
[14:58] <mvo> Tumie: does u-m just hang?
[14:58] <sh_> rconan: er..yes..it was 8.10
[14:59]  * BUGabundo runs UM just to check
[14:59] <Tumie> mvo: it was prepairing the upgrade, but then just didn't runned it
[14:59] <rconan> sh_: have you checked the bug tracker... find your sound card model in "lspci" and then search for that on launchpad perhaps...
[15:00] <BUGabundo> mvo I have had UM just stay there a WHILE checking cache. usually I kill it, and the 2nd time it works okay
[15:00] <sh_> rconan..that just brings up a huge list of stuff i dont understand
[15:00] <BUGabundo> Bizarre Error - File size is not what the server reported 1253583 1253689Failed to fetch ftp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[15:00] <rconan> hmm... haven't used this machine in a while
[15:00] <BUGabundo> this one is nice!
[15:00] <rconan> 330MB of updates :p
[15:00] <Tumie> rconan: XD
[15:01] <mvo> Tumie, BUGabundo: hm, is there output in /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log when this is happening?
[15:01] <sh_> do i have to reinstall all my apps too after upgrading?
[15:01] <mvo> (the hang when its checking the cache)
[15:01] <rconan> sh_: no... they shuld still be installed
[15:01] <BUGabundo> mvo http://paste.ubuntu.com/146980/
[15:01] <sh_> rconan: some have vanished
[15:01] <Tumie> mvo: i already fixed it with some code somebody gave me...
[15:02] <sh_> rconan: e.g. google earth is gone..and i reinstalled it...and it doesnt work
[15:02] <BUGabundo> re-runing UM Check to be sure its not download probs
[15:02] <Tumie> mvo: "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" worked for me
[15:02] <rconan> sh_: installed from medibuntu?
[15:02] <rconan> it always confuses me when people call terminal commands "code"
[15:02] <sh_> rconan: i downloaded the bin from google site
[15:02] <BUGabundo> mvo: I do get a lot of Cache Corrupt warnings
[15:02] <mvo> BUGabundo: hm, the timestamps look like they are old so its probably not logging there
[15:02] <Tumie> rconan: i'm sorry :p
[15:02] <rconan> sh_: I'd recommend checking out the package in medibuntu
[15:02] <rconan> !medibuntu | sh_
[15:02] <mvo> BUGabundo: you have packagekit installed, right :/ ?
[15:03] <BUGabundo> mvo when I say a lot, I mean at least 3 times a day, and every time I run it the 1st time in morning
[15:03] <rconan> it's a useful repo... and has, among other things, debs of googleearth
[15:03] <BUGabundo> mvo:   Installed: 0.3.14-0ubuntu4
[15:03] <BUGabundo> seem so
[15:04] <mvo> BUGabundo: I never go around debugging that, I put it higher up in my list now, thanks
[15:04] <BUGabundo> mvo: since I'm asking, is bug 252931 getting fixed anytime soon?
[15:05] <rconan> BUGabundo: says fix released :p
[15:05] <BUGabundo> ops
[15:05] <BUGabundo> wrong bug
[15:05] <BUGabundo> I set that one to fix released
[15:05] <BUGabundo> humm can't find the correct one
[15:06] <BUGabundo> mvo: it's the one that xampien search losses sorting
[15:07] <mvo> BUGabundo: did that re-appear? the latest status in the bug is that its working?
[15:08] <BUGabundo> no no
[15:08] <BUGabundo> that's a diff bug
[15:08] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: pong?
[15:08] <BUGabundo> hey
[15:08] <BUGabundo> bug 357719 ?
[15:08] <BUGabundo> tells you something ?
[15:10] <IntuitiveNipple> what does it tell me?
[15:10] <BUGabundo> just asking
[15:11] <BUGabundo> need to discuss it a bit
[15:11] <IntuitiveNipple> I don't think I'll bother with power-management - never get chance to take advantage of it :D
[15:12] <BUGabundo> ah
[15:12] <IntuitiveNipple> openjdk has been package building for the last 3 hours, grrr!
[15:12] <BUGabundo> oh damn... I thought nvidia refresh bug was fixed! I just saw it on UM
[15:12] <IntuitiveNipple> all to fix one lousy little missing bit of the Plugin-appletviewer interface :)
[15:13] <jeiworth> anyone running kde? i have a strange problem in kontact/korganizer, it seems it wont display neither day, week nor work week, month view is fine though...
[15:13] <sh_> how do you close a window which is frozen in ubuntu?
[15:14] <dooglus> when I double-click on a flash applet inside firefox it loses keyboard focus; is there some way to stop that happening?
[15:14] <BUGabundo> mvo filling new one against apt-xapian-index
[15:15] <nemo> sh_: xkill
[15:15] <nemo> sh_: or just killing the parent process
[15:15] <BUGabundo> dooglus: that's a "feature" of flash
[15:15] <nemo> sh_: or clicking on the "close" button in the corner if in gnome/kde
[15:15] <nemo> both will prompt to kill the process
[15:15] <nemo> eventually
[15:16] <sh_> nemo:  the close button wasnt working
[15:17] <sh_> im trying to install something using the package installer and it sais there is more than one open....but there isnt
[15:17] <nemo> oh
[15:17] <nemo> heh
[15:17] <nemo> sh_: lots of things could have a lock on that
[15:18] <sh_> i only have the package installer and this irc prog open
[15:18] <nemo> update manager, gnome app install, synaptic
[15:18] <nemo> apt-get
[15:18] <nemo> some of those can even run in background
[15:18] <nemo> check your process list
[15:18] <sh_> and how does one do that?
[15:18] <sh_> :O
[15:19] <jeiworth> sh_: ctrl+esc
[15:19] <mvo> BUGabundo: please give me the bugnumber when you are done
[15:19] <BUGabundo> doing so now mvo
[15:19] <sh_> ctrl+esc does nothing
[15:20] <maxb> Is anyone else have a weird bug where occasionally the backgrounds of windows don't get drawn, and what you have behind them shows through?
[15:20] <sh_> maxb: yes
[15:20] <maxb> It happens to me most in gnome-terminal but that probably reflects the fact I just use gnome-terminal a lot
[15:21] <maxb> sh_: Do you happen to know if it's filed? I haven't filed it because it's so intermittent and so hard to describe usefully
[15:21] <IntuitiveNipple> invalid regions not being repainted?
[15:21] <maxb> I guess so
[15:21] <sh_> maxb: no sorry...i just noticed problems with the window backgrounds after upgrading
[15:22] <maxb> the background doesn't paint, but foreground in the same window does paint!
[15:22] <IntuitiveNipple> maxb: I occassionally have seen 'black' areas (they suddenly just go black) that are resolved by scrolling the viewport out of range and back
[15:22] <sh_> i think something must have gone wrong with my upgrade because nothing works..no sound...apps have disappeared...when i try to reinstall them the package manager freezes etc..
[15:23] <sh_> its like going back to windows again :)
[15:23] <BUGabundo> mvo https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt-xapian-index/+bug/357747
[15:29] <dooglus> BUGabundo: this 'feature' of flash doesn't happen in Windows...
[15:29] <BUGabundo> dooglus: then how do you play games? it needs to capture the keyboard
[15:30] <dooglus> BUGabundo: I think you must have misread what I wrote
[15:30] <dooglus> when I double-click on a flash applet inside firefox it loses keyboard focus; is there some way to stop that happening?
[15:30] <dooglus> the flash applet loses keyboard focus when I double click, and regains it only if I single click
[15:31] <BUGabundo> dooglus: ah... I miss read. sorry
[15:32] <sh_> nemo: i just rebooted and it still sais there are more than one of the package installers open... cant install anything
[15:32] <BUGabundo> dooglus: do you have a test case I can try?
[15:32] <dooglus> BUGabundo: I noticed it on this game: http://www.kongregate.com/games/mrsneeze/colourshift
[15:33] <dooglus> BUGabundo: the keyboard (cursor keys) are used to shift the board on wrapped levels, and clicking rotates the pieces
[15:33] <deany> so a whole lot more updates, including kernel again.. but whats this command-not-found and command-not-found-data its installing/upgrading?
[15:33] <dooglus> if I want to rotate a piece by 180 degrees, I click twice, but then I can't shift the board if I clicked too fast, 'cos the double click caused it to lose focus
[15:34] <BUGabundo> deany: its auto complete
[15:34] <sh_> dooglus:  is it the same in all games?
[15:34] <dooglus> sh_: good question.  I was trying to think of a very simple flash applet that I could test it in.  can you think of something small, flash, and with keyboard input?
[15:36] <BUGabundo> dooglus: I didn't manage to get what the cursors where for :|
[15:36] <dooglus> BUGabundo: the first levels don't wrap around
[15:36] <dooglus> so the cursors don't do anything
[15:36] <BUGabundo> ahh
[15:36] <dooglus> but there are 'challenge' levels, and you can pick wrapped or not I think
[15:36]  * BUGabundo trying upper leves
[15:37] <dooglus> try the biggest wrapped challenge
[15:37] <BUGabundo> dooglus: I can reproduce it
[15:37] <dooglus> ok
[15:37] <BUGabundo> either a bug in flash or the game
[15:37] <dooglus> I don't think flash is interpreting it as a double-click
[15:37] <dooglus> 'cos it acts like 2 single clicks
[15:38] <BUGabundo> mine is
[15:38] <BUGabundo> ohh yes
[15:38] <BUGabundo> its 2 single clicks
[15:38] <dooglus> i mean it works the same is if you do two clicks separated by a long time
[15:38] <BUGabundo> was it meant to be a Double click?
[15:38] <sh_> dooglus: : sorry i dont know any..
[15:38] <dooglus> the game just reads clicks - each click is a 90 degree rotate
[15:39] <dooglus> I wonder if it's the same in other browsers
[15:39] <dooglus> could be a firefox bug I guess
[15:39] <sh_> dooglus: : have u played the game in another browser?
[15:39] <sh_> heh
[15:39] <dooglus> I don't think I have any other browser
[15:40] <dooglus> I've very short of space, having installed with the default settings in wubi
[15:40] <dooglus> (ie. 5GB)
[15:40] <BUGabundo> dooglus: ah
[15:40] <BUGabundo> doesn't wubi sets 8GiBs now?
[15:40] <BUGabundo> you can resize it
[15:41] <deany> i think when i install this on/after 23rd im gonna remake my partitions, and leave out xp this time.....
[15:42] <dooglus> I think wubi sets the size according to the amount of free space in the windows disk
[15:42] <dooglus> how do I resize it?
[15:42] <dooglus> I've noticed that I can read/write the whole windows disk anyway via the /host/... mount
[15:42] <BUGabundo> dooglus: I saw a HowTo on the site
[15:43] <BUGabundo> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-505628.html
[15:43] <BUGabundo> but this is OT
[15:45] <BUGabundo> so... ask any further question on #ubuntu
[15:46] <deany> odd, i thought computer janitor would do more than remove debs not needed.  At least an "apt-get clean" as well.
[15:47] <BUGabundo> deany: file a wish bug please
[15:47] <BUGabundo> and let us know the bug id, please
[15:48] <p> Hey all, I just upgraded 8.10 to 9.04 using the alternate CD. Now (after the reboot) the update manager says I need to do a "partial upgrade" and download 400+ upgrade packages...can I do that off the CD? Did I miss something?
[15:48] <BUGabundo> p DON'T
[15:49] <BUGabundo> don't do partial installs if u don't know what you are doing
[15:49] <BUGabundo> some package my be removed!
[15:49] <p> BUGabundo, I don't really have anything I'm worried about losing. I just don't want to do the 300MB+ download, that's why I got the alternate CD.
[15:50] <kristian1> it's the final countdown!!!
[15:51] <dooglus> sh_: here's another example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3DGko38IH4 -- the left and right keys seek through youtube videos.  but double-click the video and the keys stop working
[15:51] <dooglus> (make sure you have the volume up loud of course)
[15:53] <p> "Not all updates can be installed     Run a partial upgrade, to install as many updates as possible.  This can be caused by: a previous upgrade which didn't complete, problems with some of the installed software, unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu, normal changes of a pre-release version of Ubuntu."
[15:53] <p> (I think it's caused by the last thing in the list.)
[15:55] <kristian1> is there a place where i can see the main changes (not the tweaking) :-P from 8.10 to 9.04?
[15:56] <Ienorand> kristian1: beta main page?
[15:56] <p> That's what comes up when I run the update manager, like I said, I just upgraded from 8.10 to 9.04 using the alternate CD.
[15:56] <p> Any ideas?
[15:56] <kristian1> Ienorand : yeah, but something more detailed than that?
[15:56] <p> kristian1: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta#New%20features%20since%20Ubuntu%208.10
[15:57] <Ienorand> kristian1: Hmm I don't know...
[15:59] <kristian1> ok, thanks though.
[16:01] <dooglus> oh, a nice workaround: set the double-click timeout to be really short - now I can't double click at all & the probem goes away
[16:06] <mib_39gj3xnl> hi, i have installed ubuntu 9.04 and cannot get my wireless card to work, can someone help please ??
[16:06] <Extend> did you checked restricted drivers from the system 00 > administration menu
[16:06] <Extend> ?
[16:07] <eagles0513875> mib_39gj3xnl: lspci what kind of wifi card does it say you have
[16:07] <mib_39gj3xnl> yeh, its only got one thing some "modem"
[16:07] <maxb> mib_39gj3xnl: You should say what your wireless card is
[16:07] <mib_39gj3xnl> my wireless card is a atheros
[16:07] <eagles0513875> lspci shoudl show in the list your wifi card
[16:07] <eagles0513875> cant help there
[16:08] <mib_39gj3xnl> im going to try a fresh install, because i may have messed it up myself
[16:22] <Ienorand> How does g-power-manager decide whether to use time or percent for actions, has that got something to do with how much data it has collected?
[16:24] <Ienorand> SInce I've got time policy set in gconf but it still seems to use percent...
[16:25] <BUGabundo> Ienorand: good question!
[16:29] <Ienorand> BUGabundo: And just recently I tested running it all the way down, and even though I got a new battery (99% capacity) the computer died before battery reached 2% (action thershold) Wondering if this might be set to low by default also?
[16:30] <Ienorand> Potentially serious design flaw...
[16:30] <BUGabundo> I set mine to 5% or 3 min
[16:31] <Ienorand> BUGabundo: Yea, but the default should be a good value, not something that kills some normal computers...
[16:31] <Ienorand> I'm going down atm let's see...
[16:32] <mbeierl> Say, anyone here have to use exchange web and have any problems with Evolution?
[16:33] <BUGabundo> Ienorand: you must love your disk so much
[16:34] <BUGabundo> mbeierl: I think its hggdh who mantains that plugin
[16:34] <hggdh> not really, but I look at Evo
[16:34] <hggdh> ;-)
[16:34] <mbeierl> hggdh: ah, ok thanks!
[16:34] <hggdh> mbeierl, what is the issue?
[16:35] <mbeierl> Well, evo-exh-storage keeps crashing
[16:35] <hggdh> 2.26?
[16:35] <mbeierl> it's rendering evo unusable for me
[16:35] <mbeierl> lastest 9.04 updates?
[16:35] <hggdh> mbeierl, first of all, do you use Exchange 2003 or 2007?
[16:36] <mbeierl> Ah.  It's outsourced.  How can I tell?
[16:36] <mbeierl> They gave us outlook 2003 so I assume it's exchange 2003.
[16:37] <mbeierl> yes
[16:37] <hggdh> yes
[16:37] <mbeierl> hggdh: I went to the owa signon and the banner says 2003
[16:37] <hggdh> that's good enough
[16:37] <hggdh> OK. so you get a e-e crash. Do you have a backtrace?
[16:38] <mbeierl> I got one once
[16:38] <mysticdarkhack> hello all
[16:38] <mbeierl> despite the fact that I set ulimit -c unlimited and ran it then attached via gdb
[16:38] <mbeierl> and it says "(core dumped)" I still cannot find any core file anywhere
[16:38] <mbeierl> there's no .crash file
[16:39] <mbeierl> and apport ignores the crash (as it should because there is no .crash)
[16:39] <mbeierl> I've installed the -dbgsyms for all the evo components
[16:39] <mbeierl> but... am I supposed to run a different version of the binary after adding the -dgbsym?
[16:39] <mysticdarkhack> Have everyone experience crash when you do a killall nautilus where icon or other stuff on desktop disappear?
[16:39] <hggdh> mbeierl, including e-e and eds?
[16:40] <hggdh> (I mean the dbgsyms)
[16:40] <mbeierl> yes
[16:40] <hggdh> ok
[16:40] <mbeierl> ii  evolution-data-server-dbgsym               2.26.0-0ubuntu1                   debug symbols for package evolution-data-ser
[16:40] <mbeierl> ii  evolution-dbgsym                           2.26.0-0ubuntu2                   debug symbols for package evolution
[16:40] <mbeierl> ii  evolution-exchange-dbgsym                  2.26.0-0ubuntu2                   debug symbols for package evolution-exchange
[16:40] <mbeierl> ii  evolution-indicator-dbgsym                 0.1.11-0ubuntu1                   debug symbols for package evolution-indicato
[16:40] <mbeierl> ii  evolution-plugins-dbgsym                   2.26.0-0ubuntu2                   debug symbols for package evolution-plugins
[16:40] <mbeierl> ii  evolution-plugins-experimental-dbgsym      2.26.0-0ubuntu2                   debug symbols for package evolution-plugins-
[16:40] <mbeierl> ii  evolution-webcal-dbgsym                    2.26.0-0ubuntu1                   debug symbols for package evolution-webcal
[16:40] <mbeierl> sorry for the spam
[16:40] <hggdh> mbeierl, best to pastebin ;-)
[16:40] <hggdh> !pastebin
[16:40] <mbeierl> ok, next time I will :)
[16:41] <mbeierl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/147041/
[16:41] <hggdh> did you also install the dbgsyms for the libraries (of which there is legion)
[16:41] <mbeierl> (just checking it out)
[16:41] <mbeierl> no
[16:41] <mbeierl> the only dgbsyms are what you see
[16:41] <mbeierl> ok, so probably camel and others
[16:41] <hggdh> ok, we will need them
[16:41] <hggdh> yes
[16:41] <mbeierl> do you know which, or how do I start?
[16:42] <hggdh> open synaptic, and search on evolution -- then install all dbgsyms (for which you have evo components installed) that match the version
[16:42] <mysticdarkhack> anyone know if there will be anymore nautilus update
[16:42] <mbeierl> (I've only got 1.8g left in /, so I don't want to load *every* dbgsym is possible)
[16:42] <mbeierl> ah!
[16:43] <hggdh> mysticdarkhack, nautilus-actions has just been updated
[16:43] <mbeierl> hggdh: what's the difference between evolution-exchange-dbg and evolution-exchange-dbgsym?
[16:43] <mysticdarkhack> hggdh, tx for the info
[16:44] <Ienorand> Hmm, okay... I must say that the percentage thresholds defaults are definitely set too low...
[16:44] <hggdh> mbeierl, both are debug symbols; the dbg are generated by the build process (and, for the most part, are left-overs from Debian); the dbgsyms are build by Ubuntu. Either or, but not both
[16:44] <mbeierl> ok, I've stuck with dbgsym
[16:44] <mysticdarkhack> i'm glad adobe made 64 bit flash and looking for to in in kk
[16:45] <hggdh> usually you will have one .dbg per source package (for all binary packages) and one dbgsym per binary package
[16:48] <mysticdarkhack> is it possible ubuntu will update gtk-engine-murrine to 0.90.3?
[16:49] <mysticdarkhack> I tried compile the engine but it need gtk+-2.12
[16:52] <hggdh> mysticdarkhack, I am not sure it will happen for Jaunty -- too late in the cycle...
[16:53] <hggdh> mbeierl, it would be a good idea to also install libglib2.0-0 dbgsym
[16:53] <mbeierl> hggdh: updates want reboot (not dbgsym related) but I just want to make sure I'm fully up to date with the latest
[16:53] <mbeierl> ok
[16:54] <charlie-tca> mysticdarkhack: already done, see bug 355249
[16:54] <mbeierl> hggdh: Failed to fetch http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/g/glib2.0/libglib2.0-0-dbgsym_2.20.0-1build1_amd64.ddeb 404 Not Found
[16:55] <hggdh> mbeierl, ah well. no problem
[16:55] <mbeierl> hggdh: ok, will reboot and be right back then
[16:55] <hggdh> k
[16:56] <hyper_ch> why is pulseaudio such a big fail
[17:01] <mysticdarkhack> pluseaudio is getting some what a bit better
[17:02] <hyper_ch> pulseaudio makes kubuntu totally unusable because no sound in flash firefox and no sound in vlc
[17:03] <Ienorand> hyper_ch: Has been reported, I think...
[17:03] <hyper_ch> Ienorand: I know.. but I still need to rant about it :)
[17:04] <Ienorand> hyper_ch: What does  asoundconf set-pulseaudio  do about it? source: http://www.mibbit.com/url/YbR8Ym
[17:06] <hyper_ch> Ienorand: well, I had it running on sunday... and today it won't...
[17:06] <hyper_ch> (after kernel upgrade)
[17:07] <mysticdarkhack> hyper_ch, are you using 64 bit?
[17:07] <hyper_ch> mysticdarkhack: of course :)
[17:07] <hyper_ch> Ienorand: seems that asoundconf set-pulseaudio fixes it (for the moment)
[17:08] <mysticdarkhack> hyper_ch, adobe has release a 64 bit flashplugin and work well.
[17:08] <hyper_ch> mysticdarkhack: that's what I've been using since 8.10
[17:08] <mysticdarkhack> hyper_ch, where did u get ur source?
[17:08] <hyper_ch> but for some reasons that all wants to go through pulseaudio
[17:09] <hyper_ch> mysticdarkhack: source for?
[17:09] <mysticdarkhack> hyper_ch, flashplugin
[17:10] <hyper_ch> mysticdarkhack: from adobe
[17:10] <hyper_ch> wel, they don't provide the source, just the binary plugin
[17:11] <mysticdarkhack> I think you should use deb package from packages.debian.org
[17:11] <hyper_ch> mixing debian packages with ubuntu? you're not serious, are you?
[17:11] <mysticdarkhack> lol
[17:11] <mysticdarkhack> at least it work
[17:11] <hyper_ch> flashplugin from adobe works fine
[17:12] <hyper_ch> it's pulseaudio that f*** everything up
[17:13] <mysticdarkhack> see if this will help: https://launchpad.net/~gstreamer-developers/+archive/ppa
[17:13] <hyper_ch> I've already added custom PA PPA repos
[17:13] <bjsnider> hyper_ch, the flash plugin for 64-bit uses pulseaudio directly. if youhave a  pulseaudio problem, troubleshoot that.
[17:13] <hyper_ch> as differnet bug reports suggest
[17:13] <hyper_ch> bjsnider: that's what I was saying the whole time
[17:13] <mysticdarkhack> seem pulseaudio work fine here
[17:14] <hyper_ch> [18:02] <hyper_ch> pulseaudio makes kubuntu totally unusable because no sound in flash firefox and no sound in vlc
[17:14] <bjsnider> yes but pulse is not installed by default in kubuntu
[17:14] <mysticdarkhack> in vlc, do you have pulse plugin
[17:15] <hyper_ch> bjsnider: pulse got installed by firefox
[17:15] <hyper_ch> as dependency... or something else
[17:15] <bjsnider> dtchen willknow about this
[17:15] <bjsnider> he's not around at the present time
[17:17] <mbeierl> hggdh: ok back now
[17:17] <mbeierl> next step?
[17:17] <hggdh> mbeierl, now... do you get the crash on startup?
[17:17] <mbeierl> pretty close to it
[17:17] <mbeierl> it connects then after downloading a few messages it crashes
[17:18] <mphill> pulseaudio seems to me to be a complete disaster.
[17:18] <hggdh> mbeierl, ok. let's try the simple way first
[17:18] <mbeierl> ok
[17:18] <hggdh> mbeierl, on a terminal run 'evolution --force-shutdown'
[17:18] <wamty> Hi could someone tell me a good package that will run on ubuntu to recover data following a harddrive format. I have wine running but am unable to run any windows applications as the wine system uses virtualdrives and so does not have access to the physically drives that are mounted.
[17:18] <hggdh> this will close all evo-related programmes
[17:19] <wamty> im using ubuntu 9.04 distro
[17:19] <mbeierl> yep... use that far too often :)
[17:19] <hggdh> heh :-)
[17:19] <mbeierl> sorry, done!
[17:19] <hggdh> mbeierl, now -- still on a terminal -- run 'gdb evolution'
[17:19] <hggdh> this will put you under the debugger
[17:19] <mbeierl> yep, ok
[17:20] <wamty> anyone?
[17:20] <hggdh> mbeierl, when you get the gdb prompt, type in 'r' (for run)
[17:20] <mbeierl> running...
[17:20] <mbeierl> already done :)
[17:20] <hggdh> now we wait for the crash...
[17:20] <mbeierl> it's evo exchange that crashes
[17:21] <mbeierl> Ok I now have the infamous "Error while Refreshing folder" message
[17:21] <hggdh> mbeierl, this is why I said 'try the simple way first'...
[17:21] <mbeierl> evolution-exchange-storage process is gone :)
[17:21] <mbeierl> but evo is alive and welll :)
[17:21] <hggdh> and no crashes...
[17:22] <mbeierl> no .crash, no apport
[17:22] <hggdh> sigh
[17:22] <hggdh> mbeierl, OK. CTRL-C on the gdb
[17:22] <mbeierl> yep
[17:22] <mbeierl> exit/quit?
[17:22] <hggdh> this will put you back on the gdb prompt; there type in 'q' (for quit)
[17:23] <hggdh> YES
[17:23] <hggdh> sorry for the shout
[17:23] <mbeierl> np
[17:23] <mbeierl> done
[17:23] <mbeierl> my next step was to run evo-exch from gdb
[17:23] <mbeierl> but I didn't even get a core/.crash then ?!?
[17:23] <mbeierl> is that what we're going to try next?
[17:26] <hggdh> mbeierl, this is what we will need to do
[17:26] <mbeierl> ok
[17:26] <hggdh> I was trying to find *where* e-e would be, but I still have to install it...
[17:27] <mbeierl>  /usr/lib/evolution/2.26/evolution-exchange-storage ?
[17:27] <mbeierl> that one?
[17:27] <hggdh> yes
[17:27] <mbeierl> this is what normally runs /usr/lib/evolution/2.26/evolution-exchange-storage --oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Exchange_Component_Factory:2.26 --oaf-ior-fd=35
[17:27] <hggdh> gdb /usr/lib/evolution/2.26/evolution-exchange-storage
[17:27] <mbeierl> ok
[17:28] <hggdh> BUT
[17:28] <mbeierl> oh...
[17:28] <hggdh> before 'evolution --force-shutdown'
[17:28] <mbeierl> ok
[17:28] <mbeierl> Evolution Exchange Storage up and running
[17:28] <mbeierl> under gdb
[17:28] <mbeierl> start evo now?
[17:31] <hggdh> yes
[17:31] <hggdh> normal start, no gdb
[17:31] <mbeierl> ran it under gdb just for giggles...
[17:31] <mbeierl> running...
[17:31] <hggdh> mbeierl, I will have to afk for a bit
[17:31] <mbeierl> afk?
[17:32] <mbeierl> \!pastebin
[17:32] <mbeierl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/147074/
[17:35] <hggdh> afk -- away from keyboard ;-)
[17:35] <hggdh> good trace
[17:35] <oliver_g_1> hi
[17:36] <mbeierl> hggdh: did not say it was dumping core yet
[17:36] <oliver_g_1> what's the best way to report or fix bad translations in Jaunty? like spelling mistakes etc.?
[17:36] <mbeierl> I /think/ I still have a bug open for this on launchpad
[17:36] <hggdh> mbeierl, please (on the gdb session) type 't a a bt full'
[17:36] <hggdh> mbeierl, what's the bug #?
[17:36] <mbeierl> just a moment...
[17:37] <hggdh> it got a SIGABRT -- apport does not trigger on abort
[17:37] <mbeierl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-exchange/+bug/353187
[17:38] <mbeierl> Looks like someone beat me to the stack trace :)(
[17:40] <hggdh> heh
[17:40] <mbeierl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/147080/
[17:40] <mbeierl> is my bt...
[17:41] <hggdh> mbeierl, I will check upstream on this, and get back (updating the bug) soon
[17:41] <mbeierl> ok, thanks!
[17:41] <hggdh> mbeierl, now I *have* to get AFK
[17:41] <hggdh> be back soon(ish)
[17:41] <mbeierl> hggdh: thanks so much! ciao for now!
[17:42] <hggdh> ciao
[17:42] <cjae> Hi, how to you use aptitude to display what is going to be updated without updating?
[17:43] <mbeierl> cjae: maybe aptitiude -s  (Simulate actions, but do not actually perform them.) is what you want?
[17:49] <cjae> mbeierl: you know how synaptic or what ever software manager tells you, "you have updates" and then you can see what they are before you update? how do you do this with aptitude?
[17:50] <mbeierl> there's the update notifier, and I just found out a few days ago, in jaunty it has changed so that by default it does not automatically display the icon with the updates until they are like 1 week old
[17:50] <mbeierl> so if you want the old behaviour back...
[17:50] <mbeierl> it's gconf... just a sec...
[17:51] <mbeierl> gconf-editor /apps/update-notifier/auto_launch
[17:52] <cjae> mbeierl: sorry I dont see what this has to do with aptitude
[17:52] <mbeierl> cjae: toggle what's currently there
[17:52] <mbeierl> oh
[17:52] <mbeierl> I thought you wanted the update notifier thing back
[17:53] <oliver_g_1> cjae: if you just press "g" in the main screen, you get a list of packages that will be upgraded (if you press g again these upgrades will be actually installed)
[17:53] <mbeierl> last time I was in this conversation it turned out that was what we *really* wanted :)
[17:53] <mbeierl> (we being me+someone else)
[17:53] <oliver_g_1> mbeierl: so what's the way to get update-notifier back?
[17:54] <mbeierl> gconf-editor
[17:54] <mbeierl> and clear auto_launch
[17:54] <oliver_g_1> ah i see now
[17:54] <cjae> oliver_g_1: what do you mean the main screen?
[17:55] <oliver_g_1> cjae: the screen you get when you started aptitude
[17:55] <mbeierl> or you can change the regular_auto_launch_interval ... if 7 days is too long but you don't want it every day
[17:55] <cjae> sorry never tried the ncurses type:P
[17:55] <oliver_g_1> oh...
[17:55] <oliver_g_1> I never tried the non-ncurses view :-)
[17:56] <cjae> always just substituded it for apt-get
[17:56] <cjae> *substituted?
[17:57] <cjae> um
[17:59] <cjae> does quassel not have spell check and ring the system bell?
[18:01] <cjae> oliver_g_1: um pressing g does not tell me anything except to press U
[18:02] <oliver_g_1> cjae: yes... I think you have to mark at least one package for upgrading so that the g view shows anything
[18:03] <oliver_g_1> (in my local aptitude, I usually have some packages set to "hold" which also makes the g key work)
[18:03] <oliver_g_1> (it's non-optimal usability IMHO :)
[18:03] <cjae> double clicking the packages works to tell what they are
[18:07] <cjae> oliver_g_1: ok I works differently when I do it the proper way with sudo aptitude :P
[18:07] <cjae> -I +it
[18:07] <oliver_g_1> heh
[18:07] <robin0800> Is there anywere the theme configuration file is shown     like what can be included or should be included etc?
[18:07] <oliver_g_1> yes, otherwise you only get the readonly mode
[18:08] <tomsdale> All my gtk+ apps (eclipse/firefox ...) on kubuntu look really horrible. There is the option of theming the gtk apps but I think I might have messed up this configuration because no change in appearance no matter which option
[18:08] <cjae> oliver_g_1: aptitude is much better thank you
[18:13] <cjae> oliver_g_1: so using sudo aptitude would be for handling installing updates but not packages right? Installing separate packages would be done by the command line eg. sudo aptitude install whatever
[18:14] <oliver_g_1> cjae: no, in the main window you can also browse through the not-installed packages and mark them for installation
[18:14] <oliver_g_1> with "+" key the package is marked for install, with "-" key marked for removal
[18:14] <wilhart> damn
[18:15] <wilhart> janty doesnt start gparted ?
[18:15] <wilhart> partition manager
[18:15] <cjae> oliver_g_1: ahh I see
[18:15] <oliver_g_1> with "_" marked for purging (ie. remove package and also remove config files)
[18:15] <wilhart> can't go next and previous
[18:15] <oliver_g_1> and the g view then shows a summary of all those actions
[18:15] <cjae> oliver_g_1: ok
[18:16] <wilhart> so that means i can't install it!
[18:16] <wilhart> gnn
[18:16] <cjae> wilhart: can't use the live disk?
[18:17] <wilhart> cjae: hmm and from there install it?
[18:17] <wilhart> so i choose to boot to desktop not install ?
[18:18] <cjae> wilhart: yes
[18:18] <wilhart> oh.
[18:18] <wilhart> ok
[18:18] <wilhart> i'll try that now
[18:18] <cjae> there is a iso image on the net
[18:18] <wilhart> i have it!
[18:19] <cjae> oliver_g_1: can I safetly, knowing what a root account can do, enable the root account without having my system go crazy
[18:20] <wilhart> cjae: i can install linux from windows?
[18:20] <cjae> yes
[18:21] <wilhart> ok cool
[18:21] <cjae> actually can you elaborate that
[18:21] <cjae> you mean in windows
[18:21] <wilhart> tnx
[18:22] <cjae> ??
[18:23] <cjae> actually what I am asking is if I enable a root account, will its pasword replace all sudo and gksudo and kdesudo prompts or how does that work?
[18:24] <pwnguin> sudo should still ask for your pwd
[18:24] <oliver_g_1> cjae: I don't know; but personally I use sudo -s to get a root shell and it feels just like Debian :-)
[18:24] <oliver_g_1> (except I need to remember one password less :)
[18:24] <pwnguin> cjae: check out /etc/pam.d/sudo
[18:25] <cjae> oliver_g_1: hey that works
[18:25] <oliver_g_1> :-D
[18:27] <cjae> I have reas a lot about enabling root in ubuntu, but never came across that, was worried that would mess up user permissions
[18:28] <BUGabundo> cjae: MAN $ man visudo
[18:32] <alex_mayorga> how impossible would it be to get http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/gnome-bluetooth/2.27/ in Jaunty?
[18:33] <pwnguin> alex_mayorga: what exactly does it do that isn't in jaunty?
[18:34] <pwnguin> alex_mayorga: you're crazy. replacing a key bluetooth component with insufficient time to test before release?
[18:34] <alex_mayorga> http://www.hadess.net/2009/03/our-new-volume-feature.html
[18:34] <alex_mayorga> pwnguin, it's not like the current version works any stable or such
[18:35] <alex_mayorga> but what I know, been in 3 releases now with subpar bluetooth
[18:35] <pwnguin> i assume you have a pet bluetooth bug?
[18:35] <BUGabundo> please remind me!!! where are kernel .29 images?
[18:36] <pwnguin> (one that isn't a low level firmware bug we've already discussed?)
[18:36] <BUGabundo> apw: ping please remind me!!! where are kernel .29 images?
[18:36] <maxb> mainline? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMainlineBuilds
[18:37] <maxb> Or karmic?
[18:37] <BUGabundo> maxb: thanks
[18:37] <BUGabundo> .29
[18:37] <apw> yep there
[18:37] <BUGabundo> for testing
[18:38] <alex_mayorga> pwnguin, I just want my a2dp headphones to work :)
[18:38] <alex_mayorga> but yeah, most of my activity is on bluetooth buggers
[18:39] <BUGabundo> apw something about fixing acpi on an asus
[18:39] <pwnguin> i seem to be confusing you with another bug reporter who was angry at cwiid for not supporting his bluetooth devices
[18:39] <pwnguin> anyways
[18:40] <lilac> does the .29 kernel fix the x issues with the .28 kernel?
[18:40] <pwnguin> given that the gnome-bluetooth fork was only revived more than a month ago, your best bet is to push for inlcusion in karmic
[18:40] <pwnguin> well, i gotta head to work
[18:41] <alex_mayorga> pwnguin, fair enough from what I've learned fedora seems to be more cutting edge in the bluetooth side, right?
[18:42] <BUGabundo> lilac: you mean tehe ones with intel? no
[18:42] <lilac> BUGabundo: i mean the ones with Radeon, actually :)
[18:44] <BUGabundo> lilac: then NO too
[18:44] <Blue-Winston> question - is 9.04 going to have effects enabled by default? in 8.10 this messed up my screen yet in 8.04 it didn't even with only the open/free ati driver installed in both cases
[18:51] <cjae> anyone notice how much blue there is under K -> Applications -> Internet?
[18:53] <mib_orp59ywa> hi, in the Synaptic Package manager i seen a package that makes the amilo 1718 buttons work (Wifi,Mail etc) but i just updated to give a help in hand, and have lost it, would this be due to it being in a different source ?
[18:57] <mib_orp59ywa> is there anyone here ??
[18:58] <Rubel> I'm here, but don't get excited.
[18:58] <nemo> mib_orp59ywa: hang out.
[18:59] <nemo> personally I have no clue, so I was staying quiet
[18:59] <mib_orp59ywa> is there anyone here ??
[19:00] <Rubel> No one here but us bots.
[19:00]  * Ienorand is having zeroes for lunch today
[19:00] <mib_orp59ywa> nemo: hand out were ?
[19:01] <mib_orp59ywa> hang*
[19:02] <Rubel> !ask
[19:02] <Rubel> Whoops, that wasn't useful.
[19:02] <mib_orp59ywa> does anyone have a amilo 1718 laptop ?
[19:04] <mib_orp59ywa> what about a Atheros wireless card
[19:05] <cetanhota> quick question whats the url so I can upgrade my test system from 8.10 to 9.04?
[19:06] <mib_orp59ywa> cetanhota: you mean the "update-manager -d"
[19:07] <cetanhota> mib_orp59ywa: Thank you.
[19:09] <mib_orp59ywa> !ask my wifi has a switch to turn on but needs a program to run how can i turn it on in ubuntu 9.04 ?
[19:09] <cjae> anyone know what to install for firefox plugin under kubuntu 9.04? one that works, I see totem is the most fuctional, mplayer is supposed to be but is not, and kaffeine was not much good either
[19:09] <DocTomoe> OK, now pulseaudio is seriously driving me insane. Kubuntu jaunty, KDE sonud wirks nicely, VLC sound does not, I tried to install/run pulseaudio, but to no avail.
[19:10] <DocTomoe> Anything that can be done to get vlc audio output back?
[19:11] <Rubel> It's weird. I can't seem to install Jaunty Beta on my Ubuntu Server machine. Worked fine on my workstation. "do-release-upgrade" doesn't find anything to upgrade to, even thought I have Prompt=normal.
[19:13] <mib_orp59ywa> hate to beak it to you guys and girls but i dont think your going to get alot of help at the moment
[19:13] <mib_orp59ywa> seems most are giving us the silent treatment
[19:13] <crdlb> Rubel: don't you need to do anything to tell it to upgrade to a non-released version?
[19:13] <crdlb> like the -d you add to update-manager
[19:14] <Ienorand> Rubel: apt-get dist-upgrade -d
[19:15] <mib_orp59ywa> yay someone getting help atleast :) , can anyone lead me the way to get my wireless to work (Atheros)
[19:15] <Rubel> Ah, an alternate route. Thanks, I'll try that :)
[19:15] <lilac> mib_orp59ywa: i suspect most people in here are looking for help rather than looking to provide it ;-)
[19:15] <DocTomoe> mib_orp59ywa: what seems to be the problem?
[19:16] <mib_orp59ywa> lilac: cant blame them, ubuntu is complicated to the new ones (im one of them :D)
[19:16] <mib_orp59ywa> DocTomoe: my wireless card has been picked up but its not active and wont scan, going into the terminal dont do nout
[19:17] <DocTomoe> mib_orp59ywa: it does appear in dmesg?
[19:17] <IntuitiveNipple> do-release-upgrade --devel-release (also known as -d)
[19:17] <crdlb> hmm, consistent :)
[19:18] <IntuitiveNipple> If it's the RF kill switch, you ought to be able to control it from the /sys/... file-system nodes, depending on which model and driver is in use.
[19:19] <mib_orp59ywa> DocTomoe: yep, says "Atheros AR2425 chip found"
[19:19] <DocTomoe> mib_orp59ywa: I suppose you've already installed madwifi?
[19:20] <Rubel> Thank  you, iNipple. That was what I was looking for. Dunno why I didn't see that last time, or notice it in the script. I appreciate your help!
[19:20] <mib_orp59ywa> DocTomoe: nope, i followed tutorials and no luck on that, as soon as the kernel update for 8.10 my wireless stopped working but going to 9.04 helped
[19:20] <IntuitiveNipple> This will show any/all RF kill devices: ls -l  /sys/class/rfkill/
[19:20] <Geboy> i intend to upgrade to jaunty from 8.10. but it creeps me out seeing the chan notification "Jaunty may break your system" what is it?
[19:21] <mib_orp59ywa> Geboy: were does it say that ?
[19:21] <Pici> Geboy: Jaunty is currently beta.
[19:21] <DocTomoe> mib_orp59ywa: what does lsmod | grep ath return?
[19:21] <Geboy> this chan topic..
[19:21] <DocTomoe> Geboy:  Jaunty is beta. beta breaks stuff. proceed at your own risk, or wait until 04-23
[19:21] <Pici> Geboy: Beta software may be untested and could your install has to potential to break
[19:21] <mib_orp59ywa> DocTomoe: http://www.mibbit.com/pb/WTjUZQ
[19:22] <DocTomoe> Geboy: just an example: vlc audio stopped working. (my current problem)
[19:22] <crdlb> mib_orp59ywa: try installing linux-backports-modules-jaunty
[19:22] <Geboy> but will it break hardwares as well?
[19:22] <mib_orp59ywa> Geboy: i tried it and seems fine, but as DocTomoe stated own risk
[19:23] <Pici> Geboy: It shouldn't, but its not unheard of.
[19:23] <DocTomoe> Geboy: no, hardware should be unaffected. in most cases.
[19:23] <mib_orp59ywa> crdlb: trying now
[19:23] <Geboy> what will be the improvement in jaunty?
[19:23] <mbeierl> Geboy: the only real way of breaking hardware through the keyboard is by spilling coffee on it :)  It shouldn't
[19:23] <Geboy> mbeirl: ROFL on that
[19:23] <mib_orp59ywa> Geboy: i think most of it is down under,
[19:24] <SimoneB> Hi. I recently upgraded to jaunty and it seems to forget the wireless network password of every wireless network every time i shut down the pc. is this a known bug? is there a solution?
[19:24] <edgy> Hi sirs, my BCM4312 stops workng today
[19:24] <mbeierl> Geboy: but there are many things that are in flux and can "scare" newbies like yesterday (or day before) updates stopped working due to a typo in the hotkey-setup package
[19:24] <Ienorand> Geboy: Shouldn't be no physical breakage, only software, and mental....
[19:25] <Geboy> ic...
[19:25] <mib_orp59ywa> Geboy: also when i did it, i could login in, because the keyboard and mouse would not work
[19:25] <mib_orp59ywa> Geboy: but seems great now
[19:26] <mbeierl> Geboy: ext4 is now available in jaunty as an installation option.  It's the next generation of the standard linux filesystem, with reported significant speed improvements, but very rarely reports of it corrupting data if the system crashes
[19:26] <mattgriffin> my jaunty beta install has the Firefox default home page set to www.mozilla.org. anyone else experiencing this? want to know before i open a bug.
[19:26] <Geboy> mbeierl: i don't know if its off any use on me
[19:27] <Geboy> mbeierl: since i use ubuntu for my 2nd os
[19:27] <DocTomoe> mattgriffin: negative at my systems.
[19:27] <mbeierl> Geboy: if you're new, its always better to stick to official releases :)
[19:27] <Geboy> most of my partition is still in ntfs
[19:27] <mib_orp59ywa> Geboy: well you could always make a partition and try that, but if new, dont, i found out the hard way :D
[19:27] <DocTomoe> Geboy: most notably for Users is the improved startup time. At my systems, its around 30% off.
[19:27] <Geboy> mib_orp59ywa: ouch...did u lost ur datas?
[19:28] <DocTomoe> seriously, is this that lolcat bot again?
[19:28] <Geboy> DocTomoe: ic...i also read about the notification? is it a good improvement?
[19:29] <mib_orp59ywa> Geboy: oh nahhh, i did that while trying to install 8.10 :D lool..lost all 500+ photos i took, games, website for clients, set me back 5 months of Photoshop, but i hate windows, and think a system that is "MINE" is better than anything
[19:29] <mbeierl> DocTomoe: I agree that startup time is significantly improved :)
[19:29] <Ienorand> Geboy: You can always run the livecds, or install to a usb disk, that is generally a good way to test if there are major issues before installing it on the harddrive.
[19:29] <mbeierl> hee hee... it's called having backups :)
[19:29] <Geboy> wait wait, mib_orp59ywa, u used photoshop in ubuntu???
[19:29] <mib_orp59ywa> Geboy: now im just fighting to get wifi to work , cause i don't really like siting at a desk
[19:29] <Geboy> HOW????
[19:30] <mib_orp59ywa> Geboy: no, i used it in windows, but you could try wine
[19:30] <mib_orp59ywa> i tried it, bit buggy (i think)
[19:30] <Geboy> wine can't run CS4
[19:30]  * DocTomoe tried photoshop a while ago and wasn't too astonished.
[19:31] <SimoneB> does it happen just to me that jaunty forgets my wireless network password at every reboot?
[19:31] <mib_orp59ywa> Geboy: well, why not try GIMP, yeh i no a pain in the rear but it does good things
[19:31] <mib_orp59ywa> SimoneB: is there a setting to say "Remember"
[19:31] <SimoneB> mib_orp59ywa: where?
[19:32] <Geboy> i haven't tried gimp yet, i barely know what to do in ubuntu post installation and updating packages, coz its all like new
[19:32] <mib_orp59ywa> SimoneB: i dont no, i asked u lol..i am currently have problems to eve search for networks
[19:32] <mib_orp59ywa> Geboy: what was u before, (was u a window :D lool)
[19:33] <Geboy> i only tried the magnificent eye candy of ubuntu, yet. yes, i know, its a waste of resource if i only use ubuntu that way
[19:33] <carl0s-> phwoar! evolution is using 1.6GBs of memory. I only have 12,772 items in the folder ..
[19:33] <mib_orp59ywa> crdlb: trying now
[19:33] <mib_orp59ywa> crdlb: trying now
[19:33] <mib_orp59ywa> crdlb: i did the installation but, do i need to restart
[19:33] <DocTomoe> carl0s-: you might have wanted to add *huge* sarcasm indicators on this one...
[19:33] <crdlb> mib_orp59ywa: yes
[19:33] <carl0s-> :-)
[19:33] <mib_orp59ywa> Geboy: that was one of the reasion i joined :P
[19:34] <mattgriffin> DocTomoe: thanks
[19:34] <mib_orp59ywa> Geboy: wow, just noticed :P << looks special :D
[19:34] <mib_orp59ywa> crdlb: okkie, brb
[19:34] <Geboy> lol
[19:34] <mib_orp59ywa> and thanks
[19:34] <carl0s-> DocTomoe: There is a problem though. The evolution mapi-plugin needs to work ummm bit-by-bit, serially or something, rather than building up a list of the *whole* lot of headers for the folder. It's taken about 35 minutes for it to finish "Fetching summary information"
[19:35] <mib_orp59ywa> i have a quick to ask, why is it recommended to "restart" and not "shut down" and boot up ?
[19:35] <carl0s-> it obviously fetches the headers for the whole folder and builds into into an array in memory, or something programmy like that anyway. Could do better, but it's nice to have MAPI all the same.
[19:35] <Geboy> so the official release will be 04-23? i should wait then. I'm sorry i can't helped alot. I barely know programing language. html is all i know as the lanuage.
[19:35] <Geboy> hihi
[19:36] <mib_orp59ywa> Geboy: you have a website ?
[19:36] <Geboy> yes, but its a lame site! i my self ashame hahahaha
[19:36] <DocTomoe> on a completely unrelated note: my old trusty IBM PS/2 Keyboard is fading away, and I am out to shop for a new one. Has anyone tried a Logitech G15 on ubuntu?
[19:36] <Geboy> i only know basics
[19:36] <Geboy> lol
[19:36] <carl0s-> Anyhoo, I know this isn't the evolution/openchange channel. I wanted to ask, aren't the Ascending/Descending column header indicators as used in System Monitor back-to-front, face-about-arse, wrong?
[19:36] <mib_orp59ywa> Geboy: well, we have to start some were right
[19:36]  * DocTomoe shudders at the tought of having a Windows Key on his board. well, it can't be helped...
[19:37] <carl0s-> shirley they should be like Greater-than/Less-than indicators, but on their side.
[19:37] <carl0s-> > for biggest at top (looks like a V), and the other way round for smallest at the top.
[19:37] <mib_orp59ywa> DocTomoe: just yank it off :D
[19:38] <Geboy> mib_orp59ywa: yes, see my blogspot design for instance it was mostly graphic without programming
[19:38] <Geboy> :p
[19:38] <carl0s-> DocTomoe: the little Dell keyboards are nice.. the basic ones they give with new computers. Probably my favourite.
[19:38] <Geboy> DocTomoe: why is that?
[19:38] <mib_orp59ywa> Geboy: i cant, im using a online IRC so all i see is text
[19:38] <edgy> Hi sirs, my BCM4312 stops workng today after the latest updates, any hint?
[19:38] <Geboy> mib_orp59ywa: next time
[19:39] <Geboy> anyway,
[19:39] <mib_orp59ywa> well off to restart *walks*
[19:39] <deany> wohoo, new vbox guest modules build in jaunty
[19:39] <Geboy> i know its not the place to ask this, but can someone point me where to start on "what to do" in ubuntu?
[19:39] <carl0s-> omg. I've just clicked out of the Inbox and into my Deleted Items folder, and the 1.6gbs is going UP. I thought it'd temporarily forget about the Inbox and start afresh :(
[19:40] <Geboy> perhaps making my quickcam functioned in ubuntu when i want to do camchat in yahoo accout
[19:40] <DocTomoe> carl0s-: Well, I'm doing my fine share of programming work, and I really try to get something that works for the next 15 years (like my old one).
[19:42] <mib_kqpqxz6y> i need help... on ubntu..i restart after installing backport but nout, the problem is my wifi is set to boot on start but ubuntu dont like that and does not do it, any ideas ?
[19:42] <carl0s-> DocTomoe: I used to buy these super Mitsumi keyboards. They had a solid metal backplate so very good for typing, but they stopped importing to the UK.
[19:43] <Geboy> well, thanks everybody, i'm off the chan now
[19:43] <mib_kqpqxz6y> crdlb: i tried what you suggested but it didnt do nothing
[19:44] <crdlb> so what did it do?
[19:44]  * crdlb couldn't resist
[19:45] <crdlb> mib_kqpqxz6y: I guess you could try madwifi in Hardware Drivers
[19:45] <crdlb> I have no idea how to help if it's really related to rfkill
[19:47] <mib_kqpqxz6y> crdlb: the last time i tried that, i lost more than i had started with
[19:50] <deany> looks like a LOT of things are still gettin fixed, judging by the number of updates and frequency.
[19:52] <DocTomoe> carl0s-: These Mitsumi keyboards are available in Germany for around 8 €, which seems awfully little ... I will try one of those, in the worst case that's a bunch of caffeine less for me.
[19:56] <carl0s-> DocTomoe: I hope they're the same ones! :)
[20:04] <Rubel> Wow, my server update was speedy and smooth. I am pleased. All I had to do was rebuild a third-party python library for 2.6.
[20:04] <Rubel> Yay Jaunty
[20:09] <NEC-NEC> hello ubunteros
[20:10] <NEC-NEC> tengo problemas con pcmcia inalambrica y ubuntu 9.04
[20:10] <NEC-NEC> cuando tenia 8.10
[20:10] <sebsebseb> !es | NEC-NEC:
[20:10] <NEC-NEC> ok-gracias
[20:11] <Halow> Is there a ubuntu+1 in Spanish? Or are they going to tell him to come back here because he has Jaunty problems?
[20:11] <sebsebseb> Halow: good question
[20:11] <sebsebseb> Halow: I guess there isn't one, and he will just have to use the Spannish  channel
[20:11] <Halow> Too bad my spanish is poor. =(
[20:11] <Ienorand> !se > Ienorand
[20:12] <sebsebseb> !se
[20:12] <sebsebseb> oh that's why you pmed
[20:12] <Vague> Well I never liked the 'channel for everything evar' setup of Ubuntu really...So much run around.
[20:13] <Ienorand> Darn, mibbit is banned from there...
[20:15] <sebsebseb> Halow: the non English channels aren't popular enough for a special one for 9.04  I guess
[20:20] <mbeierl> I can't seem to use the regular update anymore.  It keeps telling me that there is a upgrade in progress (due to the hotkey-setup bug, which I manually resolved), and that it needs to perform a partial upgrade.  This fails about 20 minutes later with a message stating that it cannot calculate the dependencies
[20:21] <mbeierl> I *can* do apt-get upgrade, but there are a number of packages that are held back now.
[20:21] <mbeierl> anyone else getting this?
[20:25] <Ienorand> mbeierl: Which ones?
[20:25] <carl0s-> is there a circle drawing tool in gimp? If so what's it look like?
[20:26] <mbeierl> sorry - ekiga and then a whack of dbgsyms which I guess just means that they have not been updated yet
[20:26] <mbeierl> ekiga indicator-applet libcamel1.2-14-dbgsym libebackend1.2-0-dbgsym libebook1.2-9-dbgsym ...
[20:26] <mbeierl> indicator-applet too
[20:27] <mbeierl> carl0s: did you want me to pastebin the list?
[20:27] <mbeierl> sorry, carl0s
[20:27] <mbeierl> I meant Ienorand
[20:28] <Ienorand> mbeierl: What you could do is go to synaptic and mark ekiga for upgrade, that should remove the blocking packages and allow the upgrades...
[20:28] <mbeierl> ok
[20:29] <deany> i had ekiga too, i removed it, then installed it again which resulted in it grabbing a few new packages.. which is maybe why it was held back from upgrade
[20:29] <mbeierl> lenorand: Aha!  That shows a handful of packages now that need to be "removed" and new versions "installed" vs. upgrade
[20:30] <mbeierl> anyone know how to really, completely pin a package version so that apt doesn't update it?
[20:31] <mbeierl> I need to stick with SVN 1.4 for interop with others, but apt keeps updating it to 1.5 for me :(
[20:31] <mbeierl> I've got it locked at 1.4 in synaptic
[20:35] <insomnia> Hi folks, I'm having a bit of trouble with getting a wifi connection to work with 9.04.  I'm using a Linksys WUSB54GC USB Wireless Adapter and it doesn't seem to see the router.
[20:35] <sebsebseb> !wireless |  insomnia
[20:35] <Ienorand> What is the difference between icedtea6-plugin and icedtea-gcjwebplugin?
[20:35] <insomnia> ubottu: thanks.
[20:35] <sebsebseb> insomnia: no you thank me again :)  since I  triggered the bot
[20:35] <insomnia> sebsebseb:  :)  Thanks to you also!  :)
[20:36] <bjsnider> Ienorand, magnificent question, sir
[20:36] <khunt> has anyone notice problems after sudo apt-get upgrade?
[20:36] <insomnia> khunt: Yes, mp3's stopped working, but system sound is fine.
[20:36] <insomnia> khunt: made me go, wtf? :)
[20:37] <khunt> lol
[20:37] <insomnia> but I wanna' get wireless working first, then I'll fight with the sound.
[20:37] <khunt> my sound broke
[20:37] <khunt> filesystem mounted as read only
[20:37] <insomnia> khunt: Its bizarre.  Totally bizarre.  System sounds work fine, I had the volume cranked up because I thought it was just me...
[20:38] <khunt> and not if i try any other apt-get or aptitude task it complains about dpkg errors
[20:38] <insomnia> rebooted the system and nearly jumped out of my skin.
[20:38] <Ienorand> bjsnider: and no answer :) ?
[20:38] <insomnia> system sounds work just fine.  but I can't get a single peep out of an audio cd or an mp3.
[20:38] <mib_4tjclymn> hi, i need help, i have a amilo 1718 laptop and am having problems geting my wireless turned on,
[20:39] <bjsnider> Ienorand, i have a working theory that no one can answer that question. i am looking forward to seeing if anyone can answer your question, because my theory could be confirmed
[20:40]  * deany is impressed with compiz speed in vbox/jaunty
[20:40] <Ienorand> bjsnider: bleh. :)
[20:41] <bjsnider> Ienorand, you want the java plugin for firefox, correct? just go to one of the test sites and see if it's there
[20:42] <Ienorand> bjsnider: Ah, gcj seems to be a transitional version... maybe...
[20:42] <khunt> dpkg: failed to open package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0096' for reading: Stale NFS file handle
[20:42] <khunt> kghunt@kghunt-aa1:~$
[20:44]  * mprice stabs new updates
[20:44] <mprice> damn them new updates
[20:44] <khunt> they broke my system
[20:44] <khunt> now cant do any mroe updates
[20:46] <insomnia> feh
[20:46] <khunt> my sound card and both card readers are broke
[20:46] <mprice> as of right now I have no sound
[20:46] <khunt> my xfce panel was all screwed
[20:47] <bjsnider> deany, is that vbox 2.2?
[20:47] <BetaClone> I'm trying to get my wacom tablet to work in relative mode (instead of absolute mode) with FDI. Anyone knows about how to do it in Jaunty?
[20:47] <mprice> haven't really had any problems yet with Juanty until now
[20:47] <deany> aye
[20:47] <mprice> brb rebooting
[20:47] <khunt> I backed up before the update think i might have to go back to that
[20:48] <deany> khunt,  is your nick supposed to sound like that  lol
[20:48] <bjsnider> BetaClone, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WacomTroubleshooting
[20:49] <khunt> yes
[20:49] <khunt> is my name
[20:49] <khunt> karl hunt
[20:49] <khunt> lol
[20:49] <deany> ah,. thought it was some joke
[20:49] <khunt> it is
[20:49] <khunt> I know the similarity
[20:49] <khunt> hence why i use it like that
[20:50] <deany> thought so..
[20:50] <khunt> my bros middle name is michael
[20:50] <insomnia> On the wireless issue, when I ifup ra0 I get :Error while getting interface flags: No such device
[20:50] <khunt> That would be funny
[20:50] <insomnia> but lsusb shows Linksys there at 1737:077
[20:50] <khunt> Mike Hunt
[20:50] <deany> yes.. i see it
[20:50] <insomnia> khunt: I Know a guy named Michael Hunt.  He worked @ Sun Microsystems
[20:50] <BetaClone> bjsnider: it only describes how to do it with xorg config. It seems like it's possible to configure it via HAL in Jaunty!
[20:51] <BetaClone> bjsnider: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wacom-tools/+bug/355340/
[20:51] <khunt> usb won't mount
[20:52] <deany> i know a guy called isaac hunt
[20:52] <deany> jk
[20:54] <BetaClone> bjsnider: omg I'm such a noob.. was just to unplug/plug the tablet and it's fixed!
[20:54] <BetaClone> bjsnider: thanks for the help ^_^
[21:13] <mprice> okay sound works still
[21:16] <khunt> fixed all my issues
[21:44] <J-_> Hrm. This is weird. When I had debian Squeeze, I was getting at least 100 FPS in TORCS, now I'm only getting 20 FPS in Jaunty.
[21:46] <bjsnider> J-_, squeeze?
[21:48] <J-_> bjsnider: Yeah.
[21:49] <FlipFlop> I had set up kubunut, plasma-network-manager worked find.  I changed my wifi settings with ifconfig and iwconfig.  The wifi card works and i can connect to ap, and iwlist works, but the card does not show up in plasma-network-manager.  How can i get the wifi card to show up in mamanger again?
[21:50] <FlipFlop> s/find/fine
[21:54] <LinuxRevolution> hi all
[21:55] <LinuxRevolution> Update Notifier icon missing! why?
[21:55] <bretcolin> hi
[21:55] <mphill> LinuxRevolution: its been removed
[21:55] <mbeierl> it's a default setting change
[21:55] <mphill> yeah, what mbeierl said
[21:55] <mbeierl> LinuxRevolution: gconf-editor /apps/update-notifier/auto_launch
[21:56] <LinuxRevolution> mbeierl: ok let me check it
[21:56] <mbeierl> change the auto_launch to no (clear checkbox) and it goes back to the old-style behaviour
[21:56] <mbeierl> LinuxRevolution: the idea is not to bug people with updates EVERY DAY unless it's security related
[21:57] <LinuxRevolution> mbeierl: hmmmmmmmmmm so I have to uncheck it
[21:57] <mbeierl> but during this beta phase, it's perhaps not as useful as it will be later
[21:57] <mbeierl> yep
[21:57] <mbeierl> or change the interval from 7 days down to 2... or something more to your liking
[21:57] <LinuxRevolution> mbeierl: i did it thank u very much mate
[21:58] <mbeierl> I'm just passing it on :) you're welcome.  (ie: I learned about it here)
[21:58] <LinuxRevolution> mbeierl: that's daily :D
[21:59] <mbeierl> LinuxRevolution: yep, that's what I like too - more often during the beta phases, actually
[21:59] <LinuxRevolution> mbeierl: thhanks for the help mate it worked well ;)
[22:00] <mbeierl> LinuxRevolution: if you're around next time the question is asked... just pass it on :)
[22:00] <LinuxRevolution> mbeierl: of course i'll do
[22:00] <mbeierl> ciao all :)
[22:01] <LinuxRevolution> mbe
[22:01] <LinuxRevolution> mbeierl: r u italian :D
[22:02] <bretcolin> anybody need help with nvidia cards
[22:02]  * SilentDis raises hand
[22:02] <SilentDis> my nvidia card is working, but games and such seem... slow, choppy if you will, compaired to 8.10
[22:02] <bretcolin> i just posted this last night it works  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7034413#post7034413
[22:03] <bretcolin> geared toward geforce cards
[22:03] <edgy> Hi, my broadcom 4315 stopped working, any hint? it used to use wl and it seems it's not longer available?
[22:04] <SilentDis> bretcolin: what were the 'main' sections you changed?
[22:05] <bretcolin> long story short my card worked with dapper so i copied the xorg file from there and replaced it in 8.10
[22:05] <SilentDis> bretcolin: hrm....  *checks the 8.10 netbook's file*
[22:05] <mjheagle8> is there a kubuntu+1 room?
[22:05] <mjheagle8> i need help with some things in kubuntu.
[22:05] <SilentDis> mjheagle8: you're in it :)
[22:05] <SilentDis> <-kubuntu user
[22:06] <mjheagle8> aah, okay.
[22:06] <bretcolin> i dont know why ubuntu got out of touch with nvidia
[22:06] <mjheagle8> could you help me with a few things?
[22:06] <bretcolin> sure
[22:06] <SilentDis> mjheagle8: depends on the 'things'.  i've ditched network manager, if that's what you're wrestling with...
[22:06] <mjheagle8> okay, i have gnome and kde installed on jaunty. kpackagekit wont update.
[22:07] <mjheagle8> apt-get works fine.
[22:07] <mjheagle8> i cant install new plasmoids.
[22:07] <SilentDis> mjheagle8: what errors do you get?
[22:07] <mjheagle8> and kopete new im notifications disappear to fast.
[22:07] <mjheagle8> for which one?
[22:07] <SilentDis> mjheagle8: pick one, and we'll take 'em one by one.
[22:08] <SilentDis> mjheagle8: are you running 'latest' from the repos, first question has to be asked :)
[22:08] <mjheagle8> sweet. kpackagekit: internal system error has occurred - KpackageKit. Launch helper exited with unknown return code 1.
[22:09] <bretcolin> SilentDis the main sections are the horizontal and vertical monitor settings and the nvidia card section
[22:09] <mjheagle8> i dont know what 'latest' means.
[22:09] <SilentDis> bretcolin: thanks, messing with mine :)
[22:09] <bretcolin> cool
[22:09] <SilentDis> mjheagle8: when was the last time you updated?
[22:10] <mjheagle8> today.
[22:10] <mjheagle8> silentdis: i run updates every day.
[22:10] <bretcolin> replace that whole file then mess with it
[22:11] <SilentDis> mjheagle8: i've had a few problems with kpackagekit a few days ago, is why i asked.  since it's beta, i've been pulling updates twice a day, and it went away at some point (i tend to stick to aptitude from the command line, so it's not a 'favorite tool' of mine)
[22:12] <bretcolin> SilentDis find out what identifier your card uses
[22:12] <bretcolin> should be the same
[22:13] <jester7> is there any timetable to when the fglrx drivers will be available for certain cards?
[22:13] <jester7> i have a x1200 and it simply doesn't work at all
[22:13] <crdlb> jester7: never :/
[22:13] <jester7> really?
[22:14] <crdlb> your options are A) radeon driver or B) use intrepid
[22:14] <bretcolin>  jester7 did your card work good on dapper
[22:14] <jester7> didn't use dapper
[22:14] <mjheagle8> silentdis: its no big deal, i just was wondering what's up with it. synaptic works fine, and so does apt-get. one that is more annoying is that i cant install plasmoids, from either a file or GHNS. i get the error that installation of /tmp/whatever has failed.
[22:14] <jester7> i'm using the radeon driver, but it's garbage
[22:14] <bretcolin> whats wrong with it
[22:14] <crdlb> jester7: ATI has dropped support for everything that isn't R600 or R700
[22:15] <jester7> oh, is that the problem?
[22:15] <SilentDis> mjheagle8: that one i've been having myself.  i am really unsure what is causing it though :(
[22:15] <bretcolin> your right
[22:15] <crdlb> "garbage" is a strong word
[22:15] <bjsnider> yes but the radeon driver does support the old cards
[22:15] <jester7> crdlb: well, lets see.  the entire screen flickers and tears while doing things like scrolling ANYTHING...even without compiz
[22:15] <jester7> i'd call that garbage
[22:15] <bretcolin> ati loves windows and they dont care about us linux users
[22:15] <crdlb> jester7: no, I'd call it a bug
[22:16] <jester7> has the radeon driver worked well in the past?
[22:16] <jester7> i mean, i don't game at all, i just like compiz
[22:16] <crdlb> it works fine for the X1250 for me
[22:17] <bretcolin> you need a better card for compiz
[22:17] <crdlb> the X1200's support is somewhat newer
[22:17] <jester7> actually, i think that's what i have
[22:17] <crdlb> do you have an intel or AMD CPU?
[22:17] <SilentDis> jester7: i really hate to say this, but i used to run ati cards when i was a windows user.  when i abandoned windows, i switched to nvidia due to their poor linux support.  that was 3 years ago, and from what i've read, it's just not improved.  the netbook i just purchased has an intel 945 card.
[22:17] <crdlb> the former gets X1200, the latter gets X1250
[22:17] <jester7> AMD cpu
[22:17] <mjheagle8> silentdis: darn. :( well i guess i'll wait for the release and hope its fixed. my kopete new im notifications also appear really fast, like <1 second. do you know anything about that?
[22:17] <jester7> i can't really switch cards...this is a laptop
[22:18] <jester7> crdlb: so you get no flicker at all?
[22:18] <jester7> do you use compiz?
[22:18] <bretcolin> support hasnt been strong lateley for nvidia but i recently posted this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7034413#post7034413
[22:18] <crdlb> jester7: you can ask for help in #radeon , but don't call it "garbage" there, that would be rude
[22:18] <SilentDis> jester7: *nod* understandable.  i won't be much help with that one, but, i'm tracing down some problems on my nvidia card right now... this *might* be something to look at.  did your card work good in 8.10?
[22:19] <crdlb> jester7: yes, it's currently running intrepid, but I've tried the jaunty beta live cd
[22:19] <jester7> SilentDis: yes, but it was with fglrx
[22:19] <jester7> crdlb: you are using the radeon drivers on intrepid?
[22:20] <crdlb> yes
[22:20] <crdlb> with EXA to make textured video work
[22:20] <SilentDis> jester7: hrm.  what bretcolin recommended to me was to basically throw some settings from my 8.10 install into my 9.04 install.  this might relate to you as well (which would indicate a problem with the xorg.conf file in general on 9.04)
[22:20] <bjsnider> crdlb, what about the radeon driver in jaunty?
[22:20] <crdlb> bjsnider: what about it? it worked ok on the beta cd
[22:21] <crdlb> apparently there's a difference between my X1250 and jester7's
[22:21] <bretcolin> the xorg file is wrong in intrepid and jaunty
[22:21] <jester7> i've tried both EXA and XAA
[22:21] <bjsnider> crdlb, why don't you show him your xorg.conf file for it
[22:22] <crdlb> it's empty
[22:22] <crdlb> except for AccelMethod EXA which is default on jaunty
[22:22] <bretcolin> it might sound dumb but install dapper get your card the way you want then copy the xorg file and paste it into a intrepid install
[22:22] <bjsnider> oh my goodnes, that's funny
[22:23] <jester7> i've tried every configuration setting in my xorg that i could find
[22:23] <jester7> but there are still ridiculous issues, when compared to the fglrx on intrepid
[22:24] <jester7> like with EXA, you can't run videos...at all...with compiz enabled
[22:24] <bretcolin> depending on the ati card it should work out of the box
[22:24] <SilentDis> what's the difference between the 'nv' driver and 'nvidia' driver?
[22:25] <bretcolin> im not sure but the nv worked
[22:25] <crdlb> jester7: ... it's a _bug_
[22:25] <crdlb> we can't do anything about ATI's decision to drop fglrx support
[22:25] <robin0800> jester7: what have you put in your xorg config ?
[22:25] <bjsnider> SilentDis, nv is the obfuscated open source driver. nvidia is the binary closed-source driver. the one that works
[22:25] <mjheagle8> has anybody had any problems with kopete? i cant send files, and new im notifications are too fast.
[22:26] <SilentDis> bjsnider: thanks
[22:26] <jester7> i've done everything shown here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6971991#post6971991
[22:26] <deany> ATI 9.3 driver is a lot faster for me...
[22:27] <jester7> and MULTIPLE combinations of the options available in that particular xorg.conf
[22:27] <crdlb> jester7: you don't have an M6 with poor performance
[22:27] <crdlb> you have an X1250 with broken support
[22:27] <jester7> no, i'd say it's poor performance
[22:27] <jester7> i'm using it right now
[22:27] <deany> then again, i have an old card (mobility radeon 9800 256mb)
[22:27] <crdlb> if video doesn't work with EXA, I'd say it's broken
[22:28] <crdlb> if you can be calm about it, #radeon may be able to help
[22:28] <jester7> i didn't mean "video".  I mean videos..as in with Mplayer or VLC
[22:29] <crdlb> yes, that's what I meant
[22:29] <jester7> oh, ok
[22:29] <jester7> from what i've read, this is standard with EXA
[22:29] <robin0800> jester7: I have backing store enabled only found by studying the xog log and seeing it disabled also a lot of those things are now on by default in jaunty
[22:30] <crdlb> I'm not 100% sure I tested video on jaunty, but it definitely works on intrepid with EXA
[22:30] <crdlb> (with compiz enabled)
[22:30] <jester7> oh, you know what?  i think it might be the other way.
[22:30] <SilentDis> oh!  one other issue i'm having.  DMA is disabled, once again, on my DVD writer.  this is getting rather annoying, as i have to re-research it every time to re-enable it (i forget to bookmark it >.<).  anyone have this problem?
[22:30] <bretcolin> why do people like compiz its such a memory hog
[22:30] <jester7> XAA doesn't support both
[22:31] <robin0800> crdlb: It works on mine too
[22:31] <bretcolin> wiggly windows just isnt important
[22:31] <crdlb> with XAA, I'd expect that video would work without compiz, but not with it
[22:31] <SilentDis> bretcolin: on my netbook, which doesn't play games, it works great :)
[22:31] <nickbuntu> hello
[22:31] <bretcolin> thats cool
[22:32] <bretcolin> nickbuntu hey dude
[22:32] <jester7> right...with EXA, i get flickering and tearing on the desktop, regardless of compiz being on or off
[22:33] <jester7> with XAA, and compiz off, no flickering or tearing....
[22:33] <bretcolin> SilentDis compiz interferes with open gl apps
[22:33] <SilentDis> bretcolin: that it does.  which is why i don't run it on my desktop heh
[22:33] <bretcolin> me niether
[22:33] <crdlb> 21
[22:33] <crdlb> gah, I did it again
[22:34] <bretcolin> gotta have quake
[22:34] <nickbuntu> i just upgraded using "update-manager -d" when i probably shouldn't have. Now wireless is really spotty, only staying connected for minutes at a time and extremely slow speeds even then.
[22:34]  * crdlb looks at his / key
[22:34] <robin0800> jester7: try disabling those switches one at a time to find what is causing it tear
[22:34] <jester7> i did :(
[22:34] <jester7> it happens even with NONE of those settings
[22:35] <jester7> the thing is, i don't care about wobbly windows, i just dont like my desktop with windows 95 style animations
[22:35] <SilentDis> !dma
[22:36] <robin0800> jester7: Well you need page flip that on mine doubes the glxgears frame rate
[22:36] <jester7> robin0800: will try that
[22:38] <jester7> bbl
[22:39] <bretcolin> brb
[22:40] <Elone> hihi]
[22:40] <Elone> i just installed the 9.04 KDE responds seem slowed down a lot
[22:42] <bretcolin> ok
[22:42] <SilentDis> were you running 4.2 on 8.10, or is this your first time with kubuntu?
[22:43] <SilentDis> oy, that didn't come out well... let me try that again lol
[22:43] <robin0800> Elone: yes I run both and I've noticed on this laptop now kde is nearly unusable and I find  myself in jaunty with gnome most of the time now
[22:43] <SilentDis> Elone: were you running KDE 4.2 on kubuntu 8.10, or is this your first time with KDE?
[22:44] <Elone> SilentDis, 4.1 in 8.10
[22:45] <SilentDis> Elone: have you gotten the latest updates?  it's beta, i've been pulling twice a day lately
[22:45] <robin0800> SilentDis: Up to alpha 2 and kde 4.2 was still ok
[22:46] <Elone> SilentDis, ya i do
[22:47] <SilentDis> Elone: which vid card?
[22:47] <robin0800> Elone: I've realy given up on kde since alpha 2
[22:47] <Elone> SilentDis, it seem the display driver or something are the issue, i sometimes got glicth in kate while scrolling
[22:48] <Elone> robin0800, :< ~ that sad
[22:48] <Elone> SilentDis, IGP 945
[22:48] <SilentDis> Elone: bretcolin suggested replacing some of the data from your 8.10 xorg.conf into the 9.04 xorg.conf
[22:48] <robin0800> Elone: I get a lot of crashes
[22:49] <Elone> robin0800, i don't have crashes so far just some video slow and glicth
[22:49] <Elone> SilentDis, how do is do that ?
[22:50] <robin0800> Elone: What card do you have?
[22:50] <SilentDis> Elone: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7034413#post7034413 - mind you, he (and I) use nvidia cards, but the idea is sound.
[22:50] <Elone> robin0800, IGP 945
[22:50] <aapzak> Elone has intel gfx card, thats why KDE sucks
[22:50] <bretcolin> elone http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7034413#post7034413
[22:51] <bretcolin> oh
[22:51] <SilentDis> Elone: the main differences is specifying the monitor's refresh and horizontal sync from what i can see
[22:51] <bretcolin> same concept
[22:51] <bretcolin> yes
[22:51] <aapzak> I have Intel GM965 and finally got KDE to run reasonable with UXA Accelaration
[22:52] <Elone> hmmm i don't know those value >.>
[22:52] <aapzak> but before that I had very poor performance and scrambled windowparts
[22:53] <Elone> aapzak, but i was fine i 8.10 ~ well we have IGP ~ some nothing can be FAST anywany ;p
[22:53] <robin0800> Elone: Yes in your case try UXA axcelleration
[22:53] <Elone> UXA?
[22:54] <bretcolin> i think the isea ubuntu had was to make a highly configurable xorg.org file but most people dont know how to do all that
[22:54] <aapzak> You can opt-in to enable this by running "sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf", and adding Option "AccelMethod" "UXA" to the Device section of your xorg.conf. Users wishing to maximize stability should stay with the standard default acceleration method, "EXA".
[22:54] <robin0800> Elone: Yes UXA  accel. has just been added to jaunty for intel graphic cards
[22:55] <edgy> sirs where is this wl driver located?
[22:55] <aapzak> it can be unstable
[22:55] <SilentDis> bretcolin: i think the general idea, eventaully, will be a system tool to modify/edit all the options of xorg.conf graphically, rather than by hand.  they had to clean it up first though, by moving a lot of it to automation.  eventually, you might see just a few settings in there, and an 'include' file :)
[22:56] <aapzak> SilentDis: my xorg.conf is pretty empty nowadays, just added the UXA line
[22:56] <bretcolin> that would be cool
[22:56] <aapzak> xorg runs fine with an empty xorg.conf here
[22:57] <aapzak> so autodetection is already working pretty well
[22:57] <SilentDis> aapzak: the big problem, at least in my opinion, is they're focused on the gnome desktop, so the kde tools to edit this stuff are lagging behind.  i'm not a gnome fan is the problem, i like kde a lot more :(
[22:58] <robin0800> aapzak: I found page flip considerably speeded up my graphics
[22:58] <bretcolin> the restricted drivers have to be more configurable a gui would be cool
[22:58] <aapzak> Elone: for some people UXA makes xorg unuseable, be careful\
[22:58] <aapzak> robin0800: is that for intel too?
[22:58] <Elone> aapzak, can you show me your xorg.conf? i am not sure how i edit it
[22:58] <aapzak> SilentDis: I used to be a KDE man, but this intel chip nearly dragged me to gnome :)
[22:58] <SilentDis> bretcolin: i've been trying to get the nvidia graphics tool to work for a while now...  since 8.04 really. :P
[22:59] <robin0800> aapzak: Don't know I only have ATI
[22:59] <aapzak> Elone: If you don't know how to edit it, don't edit it
[22:59] <aapzak> robin0800: k, too bad :) what does that option look like?
[22:59] <bretcolin> SilentDis neeto ill look that up
[22:59] <aapzak> Elone: looking at my xorg.conf is not going to help you
[23:00] <aapzak> (and besides, I cannot reach it atm)
[23:00] <SilentDis> bretcolin: ya know... lets try the 'dumb' method... set the nvidia tool to run as root...
[23:00] <aapzak> SilentDis: I think Ubuntu will always be Gnome minded
[23:00] <robin0800> aapzak: option "pageflip"  "on"
[23:00] <aapzak> robin0800: tnx
[23:01] <SilentDis> aapzak: i fear you're right.  the kde side for kubuntu will basically lag behind by 1 release.  9.04's tools will feel like gnome 8.10, etc etc
[23:01] <bretcolin> SilentDis i think that will work
[23:01] <SilentDis> bretcolin: this might be a better solution than messing with the xorg.conf...
[23:02] <bretcolin> SilentDis yes but maybe the resolution might be a problem for some
[23:03] <bretcolin> SilentDis sometimes only shows 800x600
[23:04] <robin0800> Elone: reboot hit escape and select the second option when it finaly stops choose a root console and run Xorg configure this will give you a file you can work with
[23:07] <SilentDis> bretcolin: the nvidia tool?  so long as you run it as root, it'll make the necessary changes for ya.  this is a LOT easier :)
[23:07] <bretcolin> cool
[23:08] <SilentDis> bretcolin: nvidia-settings is the name of the tool, i believe that's the package name as well.  you'll need to launch the menu editor and set the app to run as root though
[23:09] <bretcolin> SilentDis thanks
[23:10] <robin0800> aapzak: !!!!!! sorry its "EnablePageFlip"
[23:12] <aapzak> robin0800: thx :)
[23:13] <SilentDis> the one thing that has me a bit miffed is the 'easy internet connection sharing' they implimented in network-manager tool for gnome.  it's totally missing for kde.  part of why i ditched network manager on my machine
[23:13] <bretcolin> SilentDis nvidia settings has a resolution problem with nvidia geforce fx 5500 cards
[23:13] <bretcolin> SilentDis otherwise thats good advice
[23:14] <SilentDis> bretcolin: really?  i'm running a geforce 8400gs, i thought this stuff was kinda 'standardized' in the driver now.
[23:14] <robin0800> SilentDis: Not only that my usb mobile broardband dongle won't work in KDE
[23:15] <bretcolin> SilentDis yes the older nvidia cards need a little extra attention http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7034413#post7034413
[23:15] <SilentDis> robin0800: oh?  I'm actually on tethered EVDO myself right now, to a Motorola V3m.  works awesome here.  did an ok job with network manager, but was a bit flaky
[23:16] <robin0800> SilentDis: How did you get it to work?
[23:16] <SilentDis> robin0800: i ended up ditching network manager and setting it up as a network device called ppp0.  easier to just sudo ifup ppp0 heh
[23:17] <SilentDis> robin0800: that was mainly because i wanted to be able to share the connection easily
[23:18] <magcius> urggh... when a panel is on the right-side and I right-click and hit properties the entire gnome-panel freezes.
[23:18] <SilentDis> general question to the mods here:  i'd like to go through this with robin0800 to get the EVDO stuff working great as I have, but it'll be a bit.. spammy.  would you prefer we take it to private channel/tells?
[23:18] <robin0800> SilentDis: I can use wvdial or gnome-ppp just not the network appalet
[23:20] <SilentDis> robin0800: i'll go through what i've got setup with you if you'd like, but as i said it can get spammy.  i setup #EVDOworkshop if you'd like to join me
[23:29] <maco> bah no themuso
[23:30] <etric> hi all. Short question i read a while ago, that the new kNetwork plasma widget introduced with 9.04 can't handle UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA connections yet. Is it stll true or does the network manager work the same as always?
[23:32] <maco> anyone run into a case where you mute using the mixer applet in gnome but the device/element specified for it to correspond to in system -> preferences -> sound isn't being muted? ie. the mixer applet says it's muted but isn't really.
[23:37] <afallenhope> hey my display is HUGE, I don't know if it's because I'm running Xubuntu or what.. but I was wondering is there a way of changing my display? I have the restricted driver installed for a copy of my xorg you can look at it here: http://pastebin.com/f5a2063a5
[23:39] <bjsnider> afallenhope, install nvidia-settings
[23:40] <bjsnider> then run it
[23:40] <afallenhope> bjsnider, I have it and did that
[23:40] <bjsnider> so what's the highest screen resolution you have avaiolable?
[23:40] <afallenhope> bjsnider, 1280 x 800
[23:41] <bjsnider> and what do want it to be?
[23:41] <afallenhope> bjsnider, I just want it to auto detect how high it can go..
[23:41] <afallenhope> for some reason... it's really "ZOOMED" in
[23:42] <bjsnider> how large is the monitor?
[23:42] <afallenhope> and the highest MHz is 50 for some reason HP Pavilion dv6105ca  and it's 15 I think hold up let me check lol.
[23:43] <crdlb> that's just dynamic twinview
[23:43] <afallenhope> yeah 15.4
[23:43] <crdlb> nvidia misreports the refresh rate as 50Hz + monitor_number
[23:43] <crdlb> so the first one is 50Hz and the second is 51Hz
[23:44] <bjsnider> he didn't say he had 2 monitors
[23:45] <afallenhope> 1 monitor lol.
[23:46] <timo> hi my jaunty install wont boot it gets stuck. Is there any way i can do a repair install, not a reinstall
[23:46] <bjsnider> you could try using my xorg.conf instead
[23:47] <bjsnider> http://pastebin.com/m57cad1af
[23:49] <crdlb> afallenhope: bjsnider: it doesn't matter
[23:49] <crdlb> it's _dynamic_ twinview
[23:52] <afallenhope> who's setting up twinview?
[23:53] <crdlb> nvidia is
[23:54] <bretcolin> timo as root sign into the black screen and type apt-get install update or apt-get update the same happened to me
[23:54] <bjsnider> my guess is the metamodes int he xorg.conf file are wrong
[23:54] <bjsnider> i don't use any, so it always works for me
[23:56] <funkyHat> Anyone use vimoutliner?
[23:57] <timo>  bretcolin: not booting at all
[23:58] <timo> like gets stuck on the laoding screen
[23:58] <bretcolin> does grub work timo
[23:58] <bretcolin> press esc at grub then choose single user