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| SiDi | Hello | 13:23 |
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| SiDi | I've got a question for the catalan folks about UDS :) | 13:24 |
| Hobbsee | they don't have a loco channel? | 13:25 |
| SiDi | Well, i think they're around | 13:25 |
| SiDi | That's the channel for the UDS, right ? :O | 13:25 |
| Hobbsee | er, no? This is the channel for scheduled ubuntu meetings. | 13:28 |
| SiDi | Ok, i failed then | 13:28 |
| SiDi | Sorry :) | 13:28 |
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| robbiew | #startmeeting | 16:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is robbiew. | 16:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 16:00 |
| robbiew | hello :) | 16:00 |
| Extend | hello;) | 16:00 |
| TheMuso | Greetings folks. | 16:00 |
| liw | yo | 16:01 |
| james_w | hi | 16:01 |
| * slangasek waves | 16:01 | |
| evand | hi | 16:02 |
| cjwatson | hi | 16:03 |
| * robbiew is more tired from a flight from Austin to San Francisco, than from Austin to London | 16:04 | |
| robbiew | :/ | 16:04 |
| robbiew | Going to make this quick, so I can catch my free breakfast :P | 16:04 |
| james_w | heh | 16:04 |
| TheMuso | haha | 16:05 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] Jaunty | 16:06 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Jaunty | 16:06 |
| robbiew | Anyone have some nasty bugs that I should be aware of? | 16:06 |
| cjwatson | bug 356518 sort of worries me if only because there's absolutely no indication of what's going wrong | 16:07 |
| liw | does it count that I can't read e-mail right now? | 16:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 356518 in grub "HP ML110 fails to boot with grub after server install via PXE / serial console" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/356518 | 16:07 |
| cjwatson | but you're already aware of that | 16:07 |
| robbiew | yes...aware of that one | 16:07 |
| robbiew | :) | 16:07 |
| robbiew | ok...I'll take silence as goodness....and not folks are just too beat to talk | 16:08 |
| robbiew | :P | 16:08 |
| cjwatson | james_w: have you got anywhere with bug 271962, or does it need help? | 16:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 271962 in consolekit "VT-switching from X returns you to X the first time" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/271962 | 16:09 |
| james_w | yeah, I'm a bit stumped as to where to look, but I haven't spent much time on it | 16:09 |
| robbiew | james_w: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/ubuntu-foundations-assigned-bug-tasks.html | 16:10 |
| slangasek | 350016 has been milestoned by doko, it looks like the python.m4 in automake could use some love yet (rather than just relying on a horrible hack in python get_python_lib(), ugh) | 16:10 |
| robbiew | ok | 16:10 |
| james_w | robbiew: well, I meant where to look in the code, but thanks :-p | 16:10 |
| robbiew | james_w: heh | 16:10 |
| robbiew | I know...just joking | 16:10 |
| robbiew | I posted a couple of youtube videos on our boot performance | 16:11 |
| robbiew | compared to Windows 7 | 16:11 |
| robbiew | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmVeSbuVB14 | 16:11 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmVeSbuVB14 | 16:11 |
| robbiew | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocYhEZlakXQ | 16:12 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocYhEZlakXQ | 16:12 |
| robbiew | we are neck and neck on my X301 | 16:12 |
| robbiew | but KILL on the eeePC 900 :) | 16:12 |
| robbiew | about the same on Suspend/Resume on the X301 | 16:13 |
| evand | very cool! | 16:13 |
| cjwatson | I did a bit of test rebuilding recently using the new LP-native test rebuild feature, but we had to stop it because it turned out to spam buildd admins | 16:13 |
| cjwatson | infinity is doing one using the old infrastructure now | 16:13 |
| cjwatson | I filed seven bugs just for packages starting with 'a' from my run, though | 16:13 |
| robbiew | cjwatson: whoa | 16:14 |
| cjwatson | mostly universe, though | 16:14 |
| cjwatson | in fact I think all universe, so no cause for immediate panic | 16:14 |
| liw | THE UNIVERSE IS BROKEN! WE ARE ALL GOING TO VANISH IN A BIG BANG! | 16:15 |
| robbiew | BIG BANG = Computer Janitor Gets Overzealous | 16:15 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] Karmic | 16:16 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Karmic | 16:16 |
| robbiew | jono on us managers to start getting blueprints ready...so just an fyi | 16:17 |
| robbiew | /s/on/is on | 16:17 |
| cjwatson | blueprints for the top-down items, or also for ideas from the team? | 16:17 |
| robbiew | I will create the ones for the internal roadmap items, but if you have some...make sure to let me know | 16:17 |
| robbiew | top-down and ideas :) | 16:18 |
| robbiew | I think we plan on having the UDS schedule ready by April 27th | 16:18 |
| slangasek | robbiew: let you know, or push them to the wiki? | 16:19 |
| robbiew | wiki is cool, as I'm subscribed to it | 16:19 |
| robbiew | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/UDS/May2009 | 16:20 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] OEM/Platform Exchange | 16:21 |
| MootBot | New Topic: OEM/Platform Exchange | 16:21 |
| robbiew | So...the Platform team was asked to exchange 3 engineers with the OEM team for 6 months | 16:21 |
| robbiew | not permanent | 16:21 |
| robbiew | to help both teams understand better what the other does...and how we work | 16:22 |
| liw | 6 months is pretty permanent at this pace of development... :) | 16:22 |
| robbiew | heh | 16:22 |
| robbiew | doko has graciously accepted the challenge :) | 16:22 |
| liw | so for clarification, the people who go visit the OEM team would do what? | 16:22 |
| robbiew | OEM stuff | 16:22 |
| robbiew | heh | 16:22 |
| TheMuso | So what happens with the toolchain work doko usually does? | 16:23 |
| cjwatson | they'll be working as regular members of the OEM team, more or less | 16:23 |
| robbiew | TheMuso: opportunity for others to step up ;) | 16:23 |
| cjwatson | likewise, the people transferring to us will be working more or less as regular members of the platform team | 16:23 |
| robbiew | we still need to work out the details | 16:23 |
| TheMuso | Ok | 16:23 |
| robbiew | and I suspect doko will not be 100% gone | 16:23 |
| robbiew | we would miss him :) | 16:23 |
| cjwatson | the toolchain is mostly ready for karmic, but: | 16:24 |
| robbiew | mterry will be coming over to our team... | 16:24 |
| cjwatson | * we'll need people to keep an eye on glibc and gcc bugs, and forward them as appropriate (particularly in the case of gcc bugs that may block builds) | 16:24 |
| cjwatson | * somebody's going to need to keep OpenJDK ticking over | 16:24 |
| cjwatson | * Python 3.1 | 16:24 |
| cjwatson | (and related python issues) | 16:24 |
| liw | just Python 3.1 and not all Python versions? | 16:25 |
| cjwatson | Python 3.1 is the bit that will involve most effort, I should think ... | 16:25 |
| cjwatson | doko can speak for himself on other things that he does, of course, but there is definitely some temporary handover needed; as robbiew says, hopefully we can use this as an opportunity for some cross-training | 16:26 |
| * liw would love to learn Python ;-) | 16:26 | |
| liw | (otoh, I'd even more love to write stuff in Python, but hey...) | 16:27 |
| * robbiew puts liw down for python | 16:27 | |
| robbiew | :P | 16:27 |
| liw | hm, doko is also the Python maintainer in Debian | 16:28 |
| cjwatson | doko mentioned to me that he was likely to continue doing some things in his spare time where he's the Debian maintainer | 16:28 |
| robbiew | right | 16:28 |
| robbiew | there are still a lot of details to work out on both sides | 16:28 |
| cjwatson | I don't think we can fairly expect to rely on him for Ubuntu work; obviously he'd be welcome but it wouldn't be fair to expect it | 16:28 |
| robbiew | but wanted to let folks know now | 16:29 |
| robbiew | right | 16:29 |
| robbiew | We are also getting a "loaner" from the Launchpad team :) | 16:29 |
| robbiew | Muharem will be doing a short tour of the Foundations Tea | 16:30 |
| robbiew | Team | 16:30 |
| robbiew | (we don't have to send anyone back) | 16:30 |
| robbiew | cjwatson: how long? I've forgotten :/ | 16:30 |
| cjwatson | I think the current plan is three months | 16:30 |
| robbiew | right, thnx | 16:30 |
| cjwatson | he's one of the Soyuz developers, as many of you will know, and part of the idea is to help them get a better idea of how we work from day to day | 16:31 |
| cjwatson | we've done some brainstorming, but suggestions for smallish projects tractable by a good Python programmer would be welcome | 16:31 |
| TheMuso | I'd offer to take the OEL challenge, however there is a fair amount of shifting sands with accessibility in the next 6-12 months, particularly speech wise, which I'd prefer to remain on top of. | 16:33 |
| TheMuso | OEM even | 16:33 |
| robbiew | TheMuso: Thanks. we have our 3 platform team members for this round | 16:33 |
| robbiew | but I'll keep that in mind for the next one...assuming there is one :P | 16:34 |
| robbiew | I'd like to setup team mentors for both Mike Terry and Muharem | 16:34 |
| liw | robbiew, what time zones are they in? | 16:35 |
| robbiew | I think mvo would be good for Muharem :) | 16:35 |
| robbiew | liw: Muharem is in Germany (I think) and Mike is in the Eastern US | 16:35 |
| robbiew | evand would be good for Mike Terry...but he moved to the UK :/ | 16:37 |
| evand | heh | 16:37 |
| robbiew | though I am a mentor for hugh blemings (Kernel team)...and he's in australia | 16:39 |
| robbiew | so it can work | 16:39 |
| robbiew | but I suspect that we need closer timezones than US central and Australia for a technical mentoring relationship :) | 16:39 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] AOB/Good News? | 16:40 |
| MootBot | New Topic: AOB/Good News? | 16:40 |
| * evand can still do it if there is no better fit | 16:40 | |
| TheMuso | Yes, meeting times./ | 16:40 |
| robbiew | ah yes | 16:40 |
| cjwatson | IIRC we only have Steve still in the US | 16:40 |
| liw | Finland and US/Eastern have a couple of hours of overlapping time for 9-17 work hours, so if no-one else is better suited, I can expose my ignorance of everything and mentor mterry | 16:40 |
| evand | Debconf? What are we supposed to do with respect to registration and travel? Is Maria handling this? | 16:40 |
| robbiew | evand: yes, randa is handling...through the wiki page | 16:41 |
| liw | good news: I upgraded my laptop to jaunty and only had to file two bugs; the upgrade itself was pretty smooth (except that we _really_ need to figure out something like ucf into dpkg proper so all pacakges get it) | 16:41 |
| robbiew | are you listed on it? | 16:41 |
| evand | yes | 16:41 |
| robbiew | then your good | 16:41 |
| evand | ok | 16:41 |
| slangasek | robbiew: still waiting for a green light to answer the DebConf CfP | 16:41 |
| liw | robbiew: still waiting for a green light to answer the DebConf CfP | 16:42 |
| randa | robbiew, Debconf..sorted today... Im registering everyone | 16:42 |
| robbiew | randa: ^^? | 16:42 |
| robbiew | randa: is the call for papers issue resolved? | 16:42 |
| TheMuso | So... Meeting time for me is currently 1 AM, which works for me today due to heading away for the easter weekend, however this is a slightly annoying time for me. If the meeting were either 1 hour earlier, or 2 hours later, I could either stay up if earlier, and work early again if later | 16:42 |
| randa | robbiew, give me a minute. Busy now, YES everything done. | 16:42 |
| cjwatson | randa: are we required to submit papers | 16:43 |
| cjwatson | ? | 16:43 |
| liw | randa, yay | 16:43 |
| robbiew | she used CAPS...so I will leave her alone now :) | 16:43 |
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| robbiew | cjwatson: no | 16:43 |
| randa | robbiew, lol. Just a minute guys | 16:43 |
| robbiew | randa: no worries...I need to get to the Linux Collaboration Summit in a few anyways | 16:43 |
| * liw is happy to move meeting time up to 9 hours earlier :-) | 16:43 | |
| slangasek | "resolved" would be that I know it's ok to submit the talk | 16:43 |
| slangasek | which I still don't :) | 16:43 |
| robbiew | TheMuso: Ok | 16:44 |
| robbiew | TheMuso: let me check the Fridge Calendar to see what conflicts (if any) we have...then I'll let folks know which way we move it | 16:45 |
| slangasek | moving the meeting 9 hours earlier sounds nice to me :) | 16:45 |
| TheMuso | robbiew: ok thanks | 16:45 |
| robbiew | I suspect it will be earlier....not 9 hours earlier though | 16:45 |
| mvo | 9h would be ok for me too, but not much more :) | 16:45 |
| TheMuso | Earlier is fine, since I'll just stay up for it. | 16:45 |
| robbiew | ok...gotta run to the Linux Collaboration Summit kickoff (in 15min) | 16:46 |
| robbiew | #endmeeting | 16:46 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 10:46. | 16:46 |
| robbiew | thanks@ | 16:46 |
| liw | thanks | 16:46 |
| slangasek | have fun kicking off :) | 16:46 |
| evand | thanks | 16:46 |
| robbiew | heh | 16:46 |
| james_w | thanks | 16:47 |
| TheMuso | thanks | 16:47 |
| mvo | thanks | 16:48 |
| heno | hey | 18:00 |
| davmor2 | Hello | 18:00 |
| schwuk | Hi | 18:00 |
| * ogasawara waves | 18:00 | |
| pedro_ | holas! | 18:00 |
| jtholmes | hello | 18:00 |
| fader_ | Howdy | 18:00 |
| sbeattie | hey | 18:01 |
| heno | bdmurray: meeting ping | 18:01 |
| davmor2 | heno: is that different to a normal ping :D | 18:02 |
| bdmurray | hi | 18:02 |
| heno | ara is on holiday and I've pinged cr3 | 18:02 |
| heno | ok, we can start! | 18:02 |
| heno | #startmeeting | 18:02 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 12:02. The chair is heno. | 18:02 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 18:02 |
| heno | [TOPIC] UbuntuBugDay highlights -- pedro | 18:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: UbuntuBugDay highlights -- pedro | 18:03 |
| pedro_ | We celebrated the xorg hug day last Thursday | 18:03 |
| pedro_ | it was pretty good as you can see per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090402 | 18:03 |
| pedro_ | and we also got nice comments from the maintainer | 18:03 |
| pedro_ | Big Thanks to paulduf, gsmx, carlos3.14 and cwillu.com for their great work during the event | 18:04 |
| pedro_ | Tomorrow we're going to have a Hug Day based on Bugs with Patches | 18:04 |
| pedro_ | the page and list of bugs is already up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090409 | 18:05 |
| pedro_ | and there's already people working on them ;-) | 18:05 |
| bdmurray | Yeah, I just saw somebody updated a patched bug with a debdiff | 18:05 |
| pedro_ | and i need to inform that i'm not going to be around tomorrow (i'm taking a holiday) | 18:05 |
| pedro_ | so if any of you guys can be around #ubuntu-bugs to help people there would be perfect | 18:06 |
| bdmurray | I'll be there! | 18:06 |
| pedro_ | I'm sure the documentation that bdmurray set up will help a lot :-) | 18:07 |
| pedro_ | thanks bdmurray | 18:07 |
| heno | great, thanks pedro_ and bdmurray | 18:07 |
| heno | [TOPIC] New bug control members! -- bdmurray | 18:07 |
| MootBot | New Topic: New bug control members! -- bdmurray | 18:07 |
| bdmurray | No news this week. | 18:08 |
| heno | ok | 18:08 |
| heno | [TOPIC] Next Testing day topic & highlights from last UTD -- heno | 18:08 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Next Testing day topic & highlights from last UTD -- heno | 18:08 |
| davmor2 | Didn't really happen I was too busy an ara is on hols | 18:08 |
| heno | We sort of botched this one in Ara's absence :( | 18:09 |
| davmor2 | next week will be smoke testing | 18:09 |
| heno | We didn't send out an announcement the week before | 18:09 |
| davmor2 | heno: I thought there was one on the friday | 18:09 |
| heno | right, next week it starts getting serious with RC smoke testing | 18:10 |
| heno | davmor2: on the blog? | 18:10 |
| davmor2 | heno: pass I might of been dreaming | 18:10 |
| heno | I don't see one | 18:11 |
| davmor2 | heno: me then :) | 18:11 |
| heno | we should start smoke testing ISOs tomorrow/Friday really | 18:11 |
| heno | I know davmor2 has already started | 18:12 |
| jtholmes | what do you mean smoke testing | 18:12 |
| heno | sbeattie: are you running some upgrade testing? | 18:12 |
| davmor2 | jtholmes: general testing | 18:12 |
| davmor2 | heno: oh did they get unfrozen | 18:13 |
| sbeattie | yes, I've been doing some upgrade testing, will do more. | 18:13 |
| bdmurray | hasn't mvo automated upgrade testing with ec2? | 18:13 |
| davmor2 | heno: mvo froze them on friday I didn't know they had been unfrozen | 18:14 |
| heno | jtholmes: we do a quick sanity test of as many ISO images as possible to make sure they are generally in good shape for full validation testing next week | 18:14 |
| jtholmes | heno gotcha | 18:15 |
| sbeattie | yes, upgrades have been unfrozen, the issue around python-central/python2.6-minimal has been fixed. | 18:15 |
| sbeattie | davmor2: ^^^ | 18:15 |
| davmor2 | sbeattie: cool ta | 18:15 |
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| * sbeattie got hit by it on one machine, so was quite interested in its resolution. | 18:16 | |
| * davmor2 plans upgrades on hw tomorrow then :) | 18:16 | |
| heno | bdmurray: he does some scripted testing but I sleep better when we supplement that with some testing of more real-world over-loaded installs | 18:16 |
| bdmurray | heno: makes sense, I wonder if we could use his infrastructure / tools though | 18:17 |
| heno | finally on testing days: the one after next will also be ISO smoke testing | 18:17 |
| heno | the next two weeks will be continual ISO testing really | 18:18 |
| heno | fader_: how broad is our automated install coverage now? | 18:18 |
| davmor2 | heno: and lot's of it :D | 18:18 |
| sbeattie | bdmurray: I'll talk with him about it. | 18:18 |
| heno | all alternates i386 and amd64 every day? :) | 18:18 |
| fader_ | heno: We're getting the official builds: desktop, server, kubuntu, ubuntu studio, and alternate | 18:19 |
| fader_ | Both i386 and amd64, yes | 18:19 |
| davmor2 | fader_: did cjwatson say whether his fix for lvm worked? | 18:19 |
| heno | fader_: do we have a way of seeing if there are gaps in that coverage? | 18:19 |
| fader_ | heno: It's still high on my list to get a better report that reflects the breadth of testing we're getting, so we don't have a good way of seeing gaps right now | 18:19 |
| heno | is the distribution random or pre-determined? | 18:20 |
| fader_ | davmor2: He thinks it did... we should know soon. I'll be watching it for the next couple of days to see if it happens again. | 18:20 |
| jtholmes | I have been testing 386 ios's ubuntu and kubuntu every day for the last week and plan to continue | 18:20 |
| fader_ | heno: The distribution happens as CD images are posted, so as soon as a new image is posted it gets put into the queue to be tested | 18:21 |
| bdmurray | jtholmes: that's great! How are you reporting any bugs you find? | 18:21 |
| fader_ | So it's semi-deterministic? :) | 18:21 |
| jtholmes | thru lp | 18:21 |
| bdmurray | Do you also add then to iso.qa.ubuntu.com? | 18:21 |
| heno | jtholmes: great! please let us know in #ubuntu-testing if anything turn up broken | 18:21 |
| cr3 | heno: what kind of gaps might you have in mind? like that some flavour is not being tested for an extended period of time? | 18:21 |
| davmor2 | bdmurray: not for smoketests | 18:22 |
| jtholmes | bdmurray, no I did not know about that will look there though and note any | 18:22 |
| cr3 | heno: one thing we could do is make the builds page on the certification website publicly accessible, it doesn't contain any private data | 18:22 |
| jtholmes | heno ok will do | 18:22 |
| heno | fader_: ok, so semi-random we would see failures if the right ISOs get picked | 18:22 |
| heno | cr3: interesting, let's look at that afterwards | 18:23 |
| davmor2 | fader_: what happens when more than one image is released in a day? | 18:23 |
| fader_ | heno: Right... at the moment we might potentially miss an error in one flavor if another flavor were consistently being tested after it every time | 18:23 |
| fader_ | heno: In practice I think the probability of this is reasonably low, but it's still something I'm aware of | 18:23 |
| heno | ok | 18:23 |
| fader_ | davmor2: They get queued up and tested one after another | 18:23 |
| davmor2 | fader_: ah okay cool | 18:24 |
| fader_ | davmor2: cr3 has created a very nice system for scheduling the tests and making sure the images are all getting picked up | 18:24 |
| heno | [TOPIC] UbuntuOpenWeek call for topics! -- jcastro | 18:24 |
| MootBot | New Topic: UbuntuOpenWeek call for topics! -- jcastro | 18:24 |
| cr3 | davmor2: I detect every image which appears on cdimage.u.c and releases.u.c which get enqueued for testing | 18:25 |
| heno | We can certainly do a desktop automation session | 18:26 |
| heno | we have done some general triage sessions in the past | 18:26 |
| heno | should we done some where we focus in more detail on a package? | 18:27 |
| sbeattie | a "writing apport hooks" topic? | 18:28 |
| bdmurray | sbeattie: that's more appropriate for Developer week I think | 18:28 |
| heno | How about we announce our intention to do that and ask the community to suggest which packages we should cover triage for? | 18:28 |
| sbeattie | bdmurray: ah, okay. | 18:28 |
| pedro_ | btw the prep page is at : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep | 18:28 |
| davmor2 | heno: how about checkbox always a fav | 18:29 |
| heno | ok, jcastro doesn't seem to be here so we'll move on | 18:29 |
| heno | davmor2: also for dev week I think | 18:30 |
| heno | [TOPIC] QA team landing page - suggestions and additions -- schwuk | 18:30 |
| MootBot | New Topic: QA team landing page - suggestions and additions -- schwuk | 18:30 |
| heno | http://people.ubuntu.com/~schwuk/homepage/ | 18:30 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://people.ubuntu.com/~schwuk/homepage/ | 18:30 |
| schwuk | Fairly self explanatory - this is the start of the new QA landing page | 18:30 |
| davmor2 | nice | 18:30 |
| fader_ | I like it... very nice | 18:31 |
| pedro_ | cool | 18:31 |
| schwuk | There's some cleanup to be done, and more text added, but is there anything people would lkike to add? | 18:31 |
| heno | schwuk: where should we collect feedback about missing items etc? | 18:31 |
| heno | will you set up a wiki page? | 18:31 |
| pedro_ | would be nice to add the upcoming events related to qa? like hug days, testing days, meetings ? | 18:31 |
| schwuk | heno: yes | 18:32 |
| sbeattie | pedro_: agreed | 18:32 |
| heno | pedro_: +1 | 18:32 |
| davmor2 | pedro_: +1 | 18:32 |
| heno | we need an easy way for many people to edit that | 18:32 |
| bdmurray | something like a revision control system | 18:32 |
| heno | right, a file in restricted access bzr | 18:33 |
| pedro_ | yeah git | 18:33 |
| * pedro_ runs | 18:33 | |
| bdmurray | heh | 18:33 |
| * schwuk chases pedro_ with a stick | 18:33 | |
| pedro_ | hehe | 18:33 |
| * davmor2 lends schwuk his hammer it hurts more than a stick | 18:33 | |
| schwuk | The homepage will be moved to a bzr branch soon, but the events could be pulled from anywhere e.g. a QA Team calendar | 18:34 |
| sbeattie | can we pull the QA only events out of fridge's calendar? | 18:34 |
| pedro_ | we're adding those to the fridge | 18:34 |
| davmor2 | schwuk: is there a qa-calendar? | 18:34 |
| schwuk | sbeattie: I'm sure we can | 18:34 |
| heno | schwuk: will you research a suitable solution to that? | 18:35 |
| schwuk | heno: yes | 18:35 |
| heno | when should we aim to roll this out properly? | 18:35 |
| sbeattie | that would be ideal, given how poorly we are at updating the wiki page header. | 18:35 |
| schwuk | I'm creating a page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/HomePage to track comments etc. | 18:35 |
| davmor2 | heno: after jaunty | 18:36 |
| heno | it would be good to have it for open week | 18:36 |
| bdmurray | when is that again? | 18:36 |
| heno | 27th+ | 18:37 |
| heno | schwuk: shall we milestone the roll-out for the 27th? | 18:38 |
| schwuk | heno: sure | 18:38 |
| heno | (it's almost ready now IMO) | 18:38 |
| heno | thanks | 18:38 |
| heno | [TOPIC] Bugsquad mentors project -- pedro|heno | 18:39 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Bugsquad mentors project -- pedro|heno | 18:39 |
| heno | We were talking about doing more active mentoring of people starting out with triage | 18:39 |
| heno | similar to the MOTU program | 18:40 |
| heno | pedro_: do you have a link to the MOTU one? | 18:40 |
| pedro_ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring | 18:40 |
| heno | where a new triager would have a contact point | 18:40 |
| heno | this would also encourage specialisation | 18:41 |
| heno | developers and bug control folks should be encouraged to mentor | 18:41 |
| heno | any volunteer mentors in this meeting? (and is this a good idea?) | 18:42 |
| pedro_ | right now we have only a list of people to contact if you need help with something https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Contacts | 18:42 |
| pedro_ | but not a lot of people know about that list and i wonder how many of the people listed there was contacted | 18:42 |
| bdmurray | I get contacted a lot but I'm not sure its because of that list. ;-) | 18:44 |
| heno | bdmurray: it's also tricky to identify a speciality for you :) | 18:44 |
| jtholmes | bdmurray, contact by email or irc or??? | 18:45 |
| heno | there is a student column on the page so we can try to balance out the mentoring load | 18:45 |
| davmor2 | heno: no bdmurray=Bug Dude | 18:45 |
| cr3 | davmor2: so do people misinterpret that as "Dude to bug about bugs"? | 18:46 |
| bdmurray | e-mail, irc, via launchpad | 18:46 |
| heno | sbeattie: is regression/sru triage a category in this context? | 18:46 |
| davmor2 | cr3: either way the bugs get fixed :) | 18:46 |
| sbeattie | heno: sure. | 18:47 |
| heno | bdmurray: anything you'd care more to mentor than other things? apport-hook issues? | 18:48 |
| bdmurray | heno: crazy bug queries, consolidating duplicates, writing apport-hooks / package bug guidelines | 18:49 |
| bdmurray | heno: update-manager / compiz as packages | 18:50 |
| heno | iow, 'advanced bug management techniques' | 18:50 |
| heno | ok, cool | 18:50 |
| heno | that's a good start | 18:50 |
| heno | I'll update the wiki and email the dev list asking for other topic mentors | 18:52 |
| heno | Any other business? | 18:52 |
| jtholmes | yes | 18:52 |
| jtholmes | the test cases | 18:53 |
| jtholmes | starting with the accessories section | 18:53 |
| jtholmes | terminal calculator text editor | 18:53 |
| jtholmes | the same names should be used in ubuntu and kubuntu test cases | 18:53 |
| heno | ref: http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Applications | 18:54 |
| jtholmes | but to do that they have to have a prefix etc. any ideas | 18:54 |
| davmor2 | jtholmes: Right realised what you on about now just name them like this /kubuntu/calculator | 18:54 |
| jtholmes | or calculatorku calculatorub and then both can have texeditor as page name | 18:54 |
| Riddell | jumping in. do the test cases cover checking translations? | 18:54 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: no but good point | 18:55 |
| jtholmes | davmor2, ok can do | 18:55 |
| heno | only gets a brief mention in ISO test cases AFAIR | 18:56 |
| Riddell | davmor2: that's pretty important, especially since we just changed important parts of our translation setup | 18:56 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: I think I did for keyboard and lanuage selection | 18:56 |
| davmor2 | language even | 18:56 |
| heno | we should probably just have a separate translations test case or plan | 18:57 |
| heno | fader_: can you work with davmor2 to design one? | 18:57 |
| davmor2 | heno: I can add it to system tests and it can get pulled into various tests from there | 18:58 |
| fader_ | heno: Sure | 18:58 |
| heno | right and we can then have a plan that pulls in that intro plus various other desktop tests | 18:58 |
| davmor2 | fader_: I'll throw an outline together tomorrow morning for that | 18:58 |
| heno | thanks fader_ and davmor2 | 18:58 |
| fader_ | davmor2: Thanks! :D | 18:59 |
| heno | AOB? | 18:59 |
| bdmurray | Yeah, I just learned about a new feature of apport-collect I wanted to share | 18:59 |
| heno | ok | 18:59 |
| bdmurray | One can use 'apport-collect -p compiz 1345' to add the compiz package hook information to any bug. | 19:00 |
| bdmurray | well to bug 1345 ;-) | 19:00 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1345 in malone "Activity log shouldn't say "XXX: not yet implemented"" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1345 | 19:00 |
| ogasawara | bdmurray: nice | 19:00 |
| bdmurray | oops | 19:00 |
| heno | oh, cool! | 19:01 |
| bdmurray | Additionally mdz just wrote a hook for alsa-base which will gather information similar to alsa-info.sh | 19:01 |
| cr3 | bdmurray: why not just use alsa-info.sh? | 19:01 |
| davmor2 | nice | 19:01 |
| bdmurray | So we could ask sound related kernel bugs to run 'apport-collect -p alsa-base 1345' | 19:02 |
| davmor2 | is there a pulse one yet | 19:02 |
| mdz | cr3: alsa-info.sh uploads a text blob to a pastebin | 19:02 |
| bdmurray | davmor2: not yet, its on the list | 19:02 |
| mdz | cr3: the apport hook separates the different info into nice attachments and uploads to launchpad | 19:02 |
| heno | and it will collect on crashes | 19:02 |
| cr3 | mdz: thanks! | 19:02 |
| mdz | davmor2: should be very easy to write a basic one now | 19:02 |
| bdmurray | it's advanatageous to have it LP for scripting with the API too | 19:02 |
| heno | time's up | 19:03 |
| bdmurray | it being the alsa info | 19:03 |
| heno | thanks all! | 19:03 |
| heno | #endmeeting | 19:03 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 13:03. | 19:03 |
| davmor2 | ta | 19:03 |
| jcastro | heno: quick question for you | 19:04 |
| sbeattie | bdmurray: another thing mdz pointed out to me is that the debian scripts in /usr/share/bug/ are a good starting point for writing hooks. | 19:04 |
| jcastro | heno: (sorry I missed the first part, I was an hour off on my calendar) | 19:04 |
| cr3 | sbeattie: awesome, thanks for sharing that | 19:04 |
| bdmurray | sbeattie: yeah, that was mentioned when I was talking about the package bug guidelines | 19:04 |
| jcastro | heno: jono has assigned me to look into helping out the community aspect of triage "perception" | 19:04 |
| jcastro | heno: he was hoping pedro and I can work together on doing a quick analysis of things and reporting back | 19:05 |
| jcastro | would that be ok? | 19:05 |
| bdmurray | jcastro: if you need any numbers let me know | 19:06 |
| heno | jcastro: sure | 19:07 |
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