[00:00] you can try [00:00] no guarantees [00:05] seems like it works phew [00:11] Question: what is the best (and supported) remote administration software for an Ubuntu server? Similiar to Webmin? [00:13] we went over this [00:13] ebox [00:14] !ebox [00:14] ebox is a web-based GUI interface for administering a server. It is designed to work with Ubuntu/Debian style configuration management. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/eBox [00:14] sorry giovani [00:14] but ebox [00:14] doesn't seem to support Apache configuration [00:14] correct me if i'm wrong [00:15] I believe you're wrong [00:15] ok [00:15] so, [00:15] following the instructions on the page you gave [00:15] to access ebox from a machine on the same netowkr [00:15] network* [00:15] type the IP? [00:15] yes ... [00:16] merci. [00:16] now, [00:16] i was discussing setting up my own domain [00:16] with a partner [00:17] and i was told most likely 2-6 people in the country i'm in know how to setup what i am requesting [00:17] and those work for latin american Microsoft [00:17] (joke, obviously) though, maybe true. [00:17] heh [00:17] ok, so? [00:17] ill repeat my request once again [00:18] and fill me in any blanks [00:18] if what im requesting is impossible [00:18] no ... we don't need to hear the same request again [00:18] I've already addressed your request [00:18] hah... sorry. [00:18] question: [00:19] do i have remote administration to BIND9 configurations using ebox/ [00:19] no idea, read the ebox documentation [00:19] ok my mistake, there is [00:21] question: if i want to proceed as my request states, i am reinstalling ubuntu. what options should i pre-install? (DNS server, SAMBA server, Mail server, LAMP server, OpenSSH server, etc.)? [00:22] no need to reinstall ubuntu [00:23] if i want to start from scracth, which options to select [00:23] scratch* [00:23] (recommendations) [00:29] ... [00:53] heh now im stuck on boot with /init line 190: devide by zero [00:53] time for some sleep might help redoing it tomorrow with a fresh head ;p [00:53] Boot with break=top or init=/bin/sh? [01:33] I just want to make sure I DL the right CD. Can I do LVM @ install time with the Server CD or do I need the alternate? [01:36] Only the live (desktop) CDs do not support LVM and software RAID. [01:37] twb: thanks! [01:37] That is because the live CDs use stink ubiquity instead of loveable d-i. [01:37] Gotcha. So the server CD and the alternate are pretty similar. Just default package selection differences I guess? [01:38] markdrago: different defaults, and the packages that are ON the CD (as opposed to needing download) are different. [01:39] cool - thanks again [01:45] twb: charming [01:46] Oh, I didn't even post WHY I think ubiquity is stinky [01:46] where do ARP broadcasts get logged? [01:46] if at all [01:46] twb: does the phrase "optimised for different requirements" mean anything? [01:46] IIRC the main reason for it was to allow different special widgets, like the tz chooser. [01:47] it's a little bit less trivial than that [01:47] Which was especially ironic because in 8.10 the a11y was so messed up that I couldn't actually use the tz widget [01:47] btw, in what scenatios is a LVM handy to use ? [01:47] cjwatson: yes, well. [01:47] Iceman_B^Ltop: basically, all of them [01:48] twb: FYI, the timezone map was not conceived until some distance into ubiquity development. (And yes, it was a bit broken in 8.10.) [01:48] Iceman_B^Ltop: the cases where it *isn't* useful are virtual machines, or disks that need to be accessible by other OSes. [01:48] Iceman_B^Ltop: or very small disks, such as USB keys. [01:49] hm, okay. WHen I installed 8.10 I think I got the option to use an LVM, but I didnt use it [01:50] since I dont know what it exactly does, the only thing that comes to mind are the "extended" and "logical" partitions Windows uses [01:51] Iceman_B^Ltop: LVM lets you add, remove, resize or move partitions (between disks) while they are in use. [01:51] .....crud. I think I should;ve use it then [01:52] IOW it adds flexibility for an (IMO negligible) performance hit, though it does mean that non-Linux systems can't read your data. [01:52] LVM gives you three new objects: "physical volume" which is just something that goes on a partition to allow it to be used by the LVM system; "volume group" which is an assembly of physical volumes; "logical volume" which is an object a little bit like a partition, but it's allocated within a volume group and can be spread across disks and handled much more flexibly than traditional partitions [01:52] Traditional MS-DOS partitions, anyway ;-P [01:53] it almost sounds like RAID [01:53] you have an example of a partition table type that is significantly better in this regard? [01:54] cjwatson: I'm trying to think if AIX called its stuff "partitions" :-) [01:54] btw, aren't there MANY ways for non-linux systems to read data from a linux system? [01:54] But there might be e.g. ITS or something which had such flexibility, but nobody remembers it [01:54] all of the traditional partition table formats share essentially the same limitations here. The DOS partition table format is worse in some other ways, particularly the primary vs. logical partition stuff. [01:54] twb: it called it LVM, last I checked [01:54] Well anyway. [03:46] aha! finally figured out why the ssl cert won't work [04:35] Is there a way to make a new netboot image since the one I'm using (from the repositories) isn't as current as the new kernel? [04:56] The netboot's kernel doesn't need to match the installed kernel. === Iceman_B1SSH is now known as Iceman_B|SSH === freaky_t_ is now known as freaky_t [07:41] I'm trying to get cgi & perl working on an apache2 server, I keep getting a 500 error, and the log states "Premature end of script headers" which from my googling could be one of a hundred things. Can somebody give me a hand in figuring out why its doing this? [07:42] yeason: did you look at /var/log? [07:43] that's in the apache2/error.log file, it says "Premature end of script headers" [07:43] and then gives a file name [07:44] I meant to say it gives the file name of the file that I attempted to run [07:44] lmfao... white team guy just left [07:45] oops... wrong window [07:46] Sounds like the bug's in your cgi script, then [07:47] that's what I doubt, cause the cgi script is part of a prepackaged ecommerce setup. it was working on another server without a problem, I've been trying to spot differences in configuration but no luck yet [07:47] I've been reading the same conclusion in google searching [07:47] moin [07:48] If the cgi script isn't part of Ubuntu, then you need to talk to the vendor that you got it from [07:49] that's the frustrating thing, its required that we use this stupid setup, yet it hasn't been supported as far as I can tell in several years... And it does work so I'm pretty sure its a server side issue [07:50] also I get that same error running any .pl file [07:54] Ah, well, that's different, though I can't help you with cgi myself. [07:54] I would guess that plain CGI is pretty much unused these days, and everybody prefers mod_perl or fast CGI or whatever [07:55] probably, also I found another error that might be of use: "(8)Exec format error: exec of 'filepath' failed" [09:06] hi, how could I change the mysql user ID correctly ? [09:06] actually I change it manually in /etc/passwd and /etc/group and now the server refuse to start === scfh_ is now known as scfh [09:07] I'm trying to share a mysql DB among a gentoo and an ubunutu. User ID change and file permissions change work fine on gentoo, but not on ubuntu [09:37] hi all. I have some questions about ntp on 8.04... which is the best way to keep time sync ? [09:38] a brutal ntpdate -s clock.ubuntu.com in cron.hourly ? [09:53] during installation I would like to set a grub option in my preseed file, I've not seen any option for this, has anyone else ? [10:16] New bug: #357583 in nut (universe) "missing the last bit for powering off the system" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/357583 === asac_ is now known as asac [11:02] when using the preseed file to pxe boot my keyboard layout has issues a # doesn't seems to get confused and come out as three diamonds [11:13] Hi, I accidently replaced my /etc/mysql with my old one, but forgot about the debian.conf file in there which gets generated..how can I regenerate that file? [11:13] psteyn, you can dpkg-reconfigure [11:16] that doesn't seem to work, I still get 'error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)' [11:16] because it seems to use the old pc's credentials..I wanna regenerate the new pc's credentials [11:17] psteyn: could you access to mysql as root? [11:19] yeah, but the debian.conf file has this: user = debian-sys-maint [11:19] password = zZSg3xzHiCTa3x4i [11:19] what type of hash is that? can I just use passwd on the debian-sys-maint user? or how [11:19] ok we need to replace debian-sys-maint [11:20] what can I do? reinstalling mysql doesn't recreate a /etc/mysql and doing dpkg-reconfigure doesnt do it either [11:20] psteyn: it's not a hash . that is the password [11:21] oh. [11:21] damn you preseed file [11:21] if I change the password, do I need to change it elsewhere in the system too? [11:22] what else relies on debian-sys-maint in other words? [11:22] ugh :< [11:22] yes but i forget where [11:22] psteyn: I suggest to change debian-sys-maint password into database with the oldone [11:22] dpkg -L mysql-server-5.0 will give you a clue [11:23] ok macno, I see its not a system user..is it a mysql user? or where can I change that password? [11:25] psteyn: yes it's a mysql user, you can update mysql.user : connected as root use mysql then update user set password = Password('zZSg3xzHiCTa3x4i') where user = 'debian-sys-maint'; flush privileges; [11:26] thanks :) [11:26] psteyn: once done, try to connect mysql -u debian-sys-maint -p ;) [11:27] cool. [11:38] macno: it says ERROR 1046 (3D000): No database selected [11:38] psteyn: use mysql [11:38] but I dont want to select a database right? this is for any mysql thing? or is there a specific db? === tuxlinux_ is now known as tuxlinux [11:39] ooh thnx [11:39] psteyn: users, grants are stored into mysql database [11:39] thanks :] [11:40] psteyn: you're welcome [11:40] *phew*...ok, next time im backing up debian.cnf before replacing the mysql folder [11:40] hehe [11:54] incorrect: what keyboard preseeding are you using? [11:55] incorrect: for adding extra boot options, just put them at the end of the installer boot arguments, after the "--"; anything after "--" will automatically be copied to the installed system, unless it's one of a list of arguments that we know to be specific to the installer [11:55] cjwatson, http://pastebin.com/m114b255 [11:56] incorrect: you used debconf-get-selections --installer didn't you? [11:56] that is from that [11:56] incorrect: you should start from the installation guide instead. debconf-get-selections --installer produces a whole bunch of things that shouldn't be preseeded. [11:56] i've used both the d-i options and the non [11:56] incorrect: furthermore, the owner (the first field) should be "d-i", not "console-setup". [11:57] incorrect: that said, neither of these explain your problem. What boot parameters are you passing to the installer? [11:57] http://pastebin.com/m4ee170e2 [11:57] i've tried this too [11:57] i am now trying to do a dpkg-reconfigure on the package at the end on the install [11:57] no no no [11:57] what boot parameters are you passing to the installer? [11:58] http://pastebin.com/m5eb85a01 [11:58] hmm, it looks correct, but you have a *lot* of unnecessary rubbish there [11:58] might be confusing things [11:59] what do you think i don't need? [11:59] first, delete *all* that console-setup stuff from your preseed file. console-setup needs to be preseeded in boot parameters anyway - the preseed file isn't processed until after keyboard configuration is done [11:59] secondly, you have debian-installer/locale=en_GB.UTF-8 and debian-installer/locale=en_GB both specified. Delete one of them, and you can abbreviate it. I'd suggest just "locale=en_GB.UTF-8" [12:00] thirdly, delete "console-tools/archs=at console-keymaps-at/keymap=gb" and "console-setup/codesetcode=Lat15 console-setup/dont_ask_layout=error" [12:00] (the first bit of that must, I think, have come from Debian documentation, or some very old Ubuntu documentation) [12:01] if that still doesn't work, then add DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer to it, and show me /var/log/installer/syslog after installation [12:01] DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer do the append string? [12:05] I don't understand your question [12:05] where does DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer go? [12:05] at the end of the boot parameters [12:05] or anywhere, really, as long as it's after "append" and separated by spaces from the others [12:06] thanks [12:06] are there docs on the installer? [12:06] don't mess about with dpkg-reconfigure though. This is perfectly doable without any of that nonsense :-) but I may need to look over the logs to see what's going wrong [12:06] https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/installation-guide/i386/ [12:06] i am using 8.04 [12:08] 8.04 instead of 8.10 then [12:08] I am also trying to get partman to create a partition on sdb but i've tried a number of different ways [12:08] one thing at a time [12:10] ok removing that stuff from the append has means it asks me to select a keyboard layout [12:10] did you leave console-setup/layoutcode=gb in there? [12:11] ah i think i had a mistake in there [12:11] now looks like ramdisk_size=14984 debian-installer/locale=en_GB.UTF-8 console-setup/layoutcode=gb netcfg/choose_interface=eth0 netcfg/dhcp_timeout=120 url= [12:11] right, that should be fine [12:14] perfect! [12:14] lets see if they keyboard works now [12:37] and a reboot [12:40] sigh they keyboard map is still broken [12:44] hi folks - I want to back up remote servers to one of my servers over the internet, while minimising the amount of data transferred (compression would be great!) - is rsync the best tool to do that with or is there something else? [12:59] Doble: Regarding the transfer rsync, or something based on it, is definetly a good idea. [12:59] Doble: Of course, you might want something more, to handle diffrent version of your backups, etc [13:00] Doble: Rsnapshot (perl-wrapper around actual rsync) or rdiff-backup (own program, uses librsync) might be good options. [13:01] andol: cheers, i will do some research on those two [13:11] incorrect: ok, can I see /var/log/installer/syslog please? [13:27] andol: regarding rsync - I was under the impression that it performed differential/incremental backups ... what is the advantage of rdiff-backup? [13:33] also regarding rdiff-backup, it says that for unattended backups being run automatically require root access on the client servers, will that cause problems because ubuntu doesn't use root ? [13:38] Hi, I was wondering if there was a way to keep the unrar utility running even if I don't have putty or terminal opened. [13:40] mat1211: what's your need? [13:51] mat1211 > yes with screen [13:51] man screen [13:51] ah [14:00] Doble: Actually, the only magic rsync does is regarding the transfer itself. Without any wrap around it won't store anything else but a mirror of what it is copying. [14:01] Doble: rdiff-backup only reguired root access if it's going to backup filed only readable by root. [14:03] Doble: and yes, you can use the root account in Ubuntu. It is just that it doesn't come with a password set by default. Either set a root password or use an ssh-key. Regarding unattended backups the later is more or less required anyway. [14:05] so just screen and then the command? [14:06] to use screen. [14:08] and also, is there a way to reinstall the part of ubuntu that deals with creating users? because when I type sudo adduser username, it says pam authorization failed. [14:16] andol: i see, thanks, im working on that now, will see how i go ! [14:17] anyone know if it is possible to use Prevu to backport a package compiled for 32bit on a 64bit system? [14:17] ARCH=x86 prevu .. for example? [14:26] Hmm. It's certainly a feature which could conceptually be added, at least. [14:28] pbuilder-dist has this capability [14:28] And prevu is just a simplified wrapper over pbuilder [14:29] how do I run the cd command as root? when i try sudo cd I recieve command not found [14:29] hmm, does anyone know how I can seperate my harddrive into two partitions? I use fdisk but it says no free sectors. [14:30] Doble: cd changes the directory of the current shell, therefore it's not something you can "run". Perhaps you want to start a shell as root? ("sudo -s") [14:31] maxb: thanks, the sudo -s command helped, im trying to set up remote backups while doing things the 'ubuntu' way with sudo! but its a bit of a pain hehe [14:32] Whenever you want to run more than a couple of single commands as root, "sudo -s" is useful. [14:33] maxb: how do i return to my normal user account when im finished ? [14:33] Exit the shell (e.g. Ctrl+D) [14:33] cheers [14:33] Doble or just type exit [14:36] so to clarify, I've set up two RSA keys to allow login without a password or user account as root - i did this on my server PRODIGY, and copied the public key to another server called NOVUS, and renamed the file to authorized_keys - can I now copy the same key from PRODIGY to ANY server and have it authenticate automatically? or do i need a new key for each server ? [14:37] actually i just figured that out for myself - sorry, its pretty obvious! *needs sleep* [14:37] Doble: you use the same key, it's your public key [14:41] can someone explain what the . before a directory represents? [14:42] Doble: In what context? [14:42] well for example, im setting up the rsnapshot.conf and the snapshot_root is /.snapshots/ - im just wondering if the leading . means the directory will be hidden or some such ? [14:43] Doble: it means that the file/directory is hideen, yes [14:43] hidden* [14:43] By general Unix convention, files/dirs with a leading dot are hidden from standard directory listing tools [14:44] ahar, im learning, great, thanks [14:45] Doble: if you just run "ls" to list the contents of a directory, it won't show you hidden files/folders [14:45] adding "-a" will show you those ... so "ls -a" is how you'd see the hidden contents (as well as the rest) of a directory [14:46] giovani: yes, thanks, i am making a habit of typing "ls -l -a" :) [14:46] no need to do that - twice ... "ls -la" will do fine [14:46] ahh, cool, thanks [14:49] okay, next question - im setting up this rsnapshot tool, and i want to use SSH to do my backups, to keep it secure, but it wants to know where SSH is installed to ... and I have no clue, how do i find out, or where is it normally installed to? [14:50] What is the hfs+ driver for ubuntu? I have a harddrive with that fs but can't mount it. [14:50] you can use the "which" command to find out the full path of a binary, Doble [14:50] Doble: so run "which ssh" [14:50] and it'll print the full path [14:50] giovani: ah brilliant, cheers! [14:56] mat1211: the kernel driver name is 'hfsplus' [14:56] mat1211: you might need to specify that explicitly ('mount -t hfsplus'); sometimes if you don't it gets mounted as hfs which sort of works but won't see most of the files [15:10] I have set up rsnapshot to back up a remote server and the localhost, but when I run the job, it prompts me for a password for the localhost - should I just add my public key i created to the authorized_keys file on the local host? is that a security risk ? [15:14] ah, thanks. Just one last question, when I am resizing a partition using parted, it asks me for start? and end? Could someone please tell me what the program wants me to type in? [15:15] mat1211: if you don't know, you shouldn't be using parted [15:15] I'm not sure how else to partition my harddrive, and I couldn't find the info on google. [15:16] fdisk for example ? [15:18] when I use fdisk it says no free sectors or something like that. [15:19] cause my harddrive right now is one big partition [15:20] mat1211: it's probably best to give Ubuntu Server its own machine, or at least it's own disk drive. [15:20] fdisk cant resize it as faar as i know, but you can delete the big partition and create smaller ones [15:22] now it is asking for first and last cilinder [15:23] try the gparted live cd if you want something with gui and without those kinda technical questions [15:23] mat1211: I like cylinders [15:24] I would like cylinders more if they didn't change size depending on what OS you're running [15:24] or sometimes depending on which partitioning tool you're using within Linux [15:24] right........ [15:24] just a question whats command to format the hd to hfsplus, I tried mkfs.hfsplus /dev/sdc1 [15:25] brilliant! my backups are working, thanks andol, maxb and giovani [15:26] heh nice in jaunty the iscsi function within the instaler requires awk, but its not included :p [15:27] okay, my backups worked so well, they flooded my connection and i could barely get to google, is there a way of throttling the connection? [15:28] trickle for example [15:28] how do I make hfs+ fs on my hd? [15:29] mkfs -t hfsplus [15:30] I did that but I did mkfs -t hfsplus /dev/sdc1, didn't work for some reason. [15:30] do you have the hfsplus package installed ? [15:31] yep [15:31] danny1: cheers, trickle looks like it will do what I need, thanks [15:32] the exact command I type is "mkfs -t hfsplus /dev/sdc1" and it says "No such file or directory." [15:32] is there a way of dynamically monitoring network throughput? I've tried htop but it appears to not have that functionality [15:33] iftop [15:34] yann2: excellent, thanks [15:39] mat1211 i guess you need to compile it yourself then if ther ubuntu package doesn't include that binary [15:39] What is the major difference of server cd's regular and minimal installs? [15:40] *main difference [15:40] kernel [15:40] Minimal install lacks the dancing ladies [15:41] Nonono I don't think kernel [15:41] I mean regular server install and minimal server install [15:41] THey both propably have server kernel still [15:41] Or you mean minimal misses headers or something? [15:42] I am really trying to find otu what should I use [15:42] what's regular and what's minimal server install? [15:43] mat1211: it accepts several formats - e.g. you can say "2000M" for 2000 megabytes [15:43] If you boot server cd and press F4 there is options of install, regular, minimal, or minimal for virtual machine [15:43] oh, i was totally unaware of that :) [15:43] ivoks: pretty sure its new in 8.10 (at least the virtual bit) [15:44] danny1: iscsi> score. please file a bug [15:44] okay, thanks for all your help. [15:44] lartza_: it depends what you are using your server for .. if you arent sure, id say to use the regular install, that should cover all the bases. [15:45] Lartza_: what ever you choose, none of them will install services by default; but i don't know what's different :/ [15:45] and i should know stuff like that :) [15:45] Lartza_: minimal doesn't install the server task (which contains patch, screen, landscape-common, vim, wireless-tools, wpasupplicant, w3m, ubuntu-serverguide in jaunty) [15:45] so it's a bit smaller, but that's the only difference [15:46] they're the same kernel [15:46] oh... so that's the former standard server install [15:46] right [15:46] great [15:46] minimalvm also doesn't install the standard task, and it doesn't use LVM by default [15:47] Thanks [15:51] danny1: and please tell me the bug number so I can mark it release-critical [16:08] I want to control the bandwidth that my rsnapshot uses when backing up my remote server, but when I just put trickle in front of the rsnapshot command, it doesn't work, where could I insert the trickle command ? [16:18] ivoks ! [16:19] ? [16:19] when i try running "sudo trickle -d 50 rsnapshot daily" I get the following error: "ERROR: /usr/bin/rsync returned 255 while processing root@123.456.789.123:/home/ftpusers/ touch /srv/backup/daily.0/" - how can I get the trickle command to work with rsnapshot? === adam7__ is now known as adam7 [16:35] why do we have /etc/ldap.conf /etc/ldap/ldap.conf [16:35] they are not the same [16:35] /etc/ldap/ldap.conf is for ldap library [16:35] and /etc/ldap.conf is for pam-ldap, iirc [16:36] ivok could you elaborate ldap library [16:36] but, true, it is confusing [16:36] MagicFab: libldap-2.4-2 [16:36] are we changing anything about it or will it stay like that ? [16:37] we won't change anything now [16:37] every app compiled with ldap support checks /etc/ldap/ldap.conf [16:37] to see if there are something it should know before starting a query [16:37] like, what to do if certificate is unknown [16:38] /etc/ldap.conf on the other hand is something totally different [16:38] it's for user authentication, IIRC [16:39] ivoks, rocks. I am giving training for server live :) [16:39] excellent response time :D [16:39] + karm for you [16:40] hehe [16:40] ivoks what's the difference between ldap:/// ldaps:/// ldapi:/// ? [16:40] 1) plain text [16:40] 2) SSL [16:40] and 3 is...? [16:40] lol [16:41] ldapi is socket [16:41] ldapi://var/run/ldap.socket [16:45] hi, when my php tries to write a file i get "permission denied" in response, how should i solve this problem? [16:46] chmod -r 777? [16:46] that's bad way to do it [16:46] so? [16:46] best way would be to enable ACLs on filesystem [16:46] and just add www-data as a user that should be able to write in that directory [16:46] what is ACLs , and what does it do? [16:47] ogelami: Access Control Lists, it's a different way of handling permissions [16:47] if that's not an option [16:47] you could make www-data user as an owner of that directory [16:47] oh [16:48] and never put enything valuable there :) [16:48] anything [16:48] i doubt valuable is correct spelling [16:49] heh it is :) [16:49] ivoks: yeah, "valuable" is correct [16:49] okay, so let's just say that i want my /etc/www/grab to be writable from php? [16:50] /etc is configuration directory, don't put anything thats changing in there [16:50] that's what /var is for [16:51] haha, sorry , i meant [16:51] but anyway, sudo chown www-data:www-data /your/directory [16:51] var [16:52] is it correct that my crontab is saved to "/tmp/crontab.jDHAns/crontab" ? [16:52] Doble: crontab -e? [16:52] does that gives full permission to the subdirs in the directory i choose? [16:53] ogelami: no, only the parent [16:53] ogelami: add -R to do it for all files and dirs in it [16:53] ivoks: yes, i want to run my backups using rsnapshot, so I added it to the crontab, but now im thinking that because im logged in as myself and not as root, that the command wont execute properly, is crontab user-specific ? [16:53] oh ok ty, [16:53] Doble: yes, crontab is user-specific [16:54] and that /tmp file is where the crontab is temp stored until it's written [16:54] Doble: that's ok, crontab -e saves to temporary file and then moves it into /var/spool/crontab/username [16:54] thank you, now it's working [16:54] if tar added support for ACL, karmic *should* have it [16:54] okay, should I create the entry for my backups in root's crontab? or is there another way ? [16:55] Doble: don't do anything as root, unless you really have to [16:55] Doble: do you need/want your backup to be executed with root permissions? [16:56] yes, the rsnapshot needs to be run as root or it can't write to the lockfile [16:56] grrr... they still haven't accepted the patch [16:56] since i did that, i cannot controll my php files manualy from my ubuntu account -.- [16:56] ogelami: correct [16:56] this is why ACLs are used [16:57] hm [16:57] I didn't follow your entire conversation, but you might be able to do youruser:www-data [16:57] i want www-data, ogelami and root can acces,a [16:57] when people write php applications, they choose one direcotry where web server should be able to write files [16:57] root always has access [16:57] yea [16:57] ogelami: you can do youruser:www-data [16:58] so that your user still owns the dir, and www-data can be given group permissions to do so as well [16:58] right, and make it 0775 [16:58] hi all [16:58] yea thank you [16:59] now i can edit and write from www-data [16:59] peple, I install ubuntu 8.10 server, and after I need Grafical interface only to use firefox. So I install apt-get install xorg icewm. But after I did startx command, mouse not works. I try ps2 and usb mouse [16:59] J_P: GUIs aren't supported on ubuntu server [16:59] what file I can change to try solve that ? [16:59] nope i was wrong -.-, i can edit from my ubuntu account but not from www-data. [17:00] giovani: You mean, aren't supported by ubuntu or in this channel ? [17:00] J_P: both [17:00] i want full permission from my ubuntu account, and read/write/append for my www-data. [17:00] ogelami: then you didn't apply 0775 permissions [17:00] giovani: ok, I will try in #ubuntu. thanks [17:00] how do i apply 0775 ? [17:00]