=== awway is now known as lukinfore [00:24] Hello, I am wondering if it is possible to auto start a terminal program each time I login and for it not to close. Would I want to put that in .bash_profile or .bashrc ? Or would that just open it up each terminal tab and create an issue ? [00:25] BigMoopies: you probably should add a terminal to at the autostarted apps [00:25] applications -> settings -> settings manager -> autostarted apps [00:25] zoredache, then just run the shell program myself ? [00:26] do you actually want to see the console? or do you just want to start the program in the background? [00:26] I want to see it. [00:27] It's bwm (bandwidth monitor) [00:27] so as you autostarted application you could run a command like xfce4-terminal --title="BWM" -x bwm [00:28] or rather... xfce4-terminal --title="BWM" - bwm [00:28] interesting, I been using GNOME's terminal. [00:28] oops. [00:29] I am sure you could do a similar thing with that if you wanted too [00:29] xfce4-terminal --title="BWM" - bwm [00:29] Unknown option "-" [00:30] Is what I get. [00:30] BigMoopies, - is an unknown option. [00:30] cody-somerville, So I want to leave out - ? [00:30] actually my first command should ahve been right [00:32] yeah the first one works [00:32] You probably want xfce4-terminal -x bwm [00:32] so how would I edit my applications -> Accessories -> terminal to use xfce4-terminal ? instead of GNOMEs [00:32] or add the xfce4-terminal to it [00:34] BigMoopies: anyway, somewhat unrelated, I suspect I would run bwm under gnu screen [00:34] that way your monitoring will stay around even if you are logged off [00:34] zoredache, it doesn't log or anything. [00:35] I'm thinking about trying to find a GUI replacement for it [00:35] but then yet again it works, so why [00:42] is dhcpd.conf only on server versions of Ubuntu? [00:43] if you install the dhcp server package, then you'll get a copy of it... [00:44] ah [00:44] are you wanting to run a dhcp server? [00:44] i was looking at a little hack to deter people stealing mie wireless [00:44] http://www.ex-parrot.com/peter/upside-down-ternet.html [00:45] that is slightly entertaining, but a better solution would be to simply setup wpa encryption if you can [00:45] eh [00:45] i like pissing people off [00:46] if i get a Nintendo DSi or a Wii, i'll WPA encrypt it [00:46] yeah, but what happens if the person isn't just a leach and decides to actually intercept your network traffic? [00:47] do you not worry about them seeing your logins for web pages, what you are looking at, and so on? [00:49] i am, but still [00:50] i'm running a linux router with built in firewall on a linux machine with an active firewall [00:52] a firewall won't protect you against many types of bad things that an evil person on your wifi could do... [01:24] I just installed the xubuntu beta and updated all packages. I used to have the beta installed and updated, but I reformatted my HD. This time after updating, however, the panel and background don't appear after logging in - only a terminal does. How can I fix this? [01:24] Thanks. [01:28] did you install using a alternitive disk? [01:28] or the LiveCD? [01:33] liveCD [01:33] off of a flashdisk. [01:33] I did it the same way a few weeks ago, and things worked fine. This time, however, the panel and other associated processes do not start upon login. [01:34] the login manager does work, however. [01:47] startx? [02:08] Antioch, can you start the panel by typing xfce4-panel into the dialog you get when you press Alt+F2? [02:10] J_Litewski, yes I can [02:11] but whatever is incharge of the desktop doesn't work. I can't change the background and it's stays the solid, light-blue default color, regardless of what I select. [02:11] just a sec [02:11] your running 9.04, correct? [02:11] 9.04 with up-to-date packages. [02:12] The only non-standard repo I have it for nvidia drivers. [02:12] but I used the same driver last time and there wasn't a problem. [02:12] ok [02:12] sounds like xfce isn't managing the desktop [02:12] Yeah. [02:12] I tried to run something like xfce4-session but it said that process was already running. [02:13] (Im new to XFCE so I don't know what each bin does yet ;)) [02:14] xfce is nice once it's configured (i had problems when i first installed it too, it takes time to get to running smoothly [02:14] Well, last time it ran fine and was nice. I just needed to get used to it. But after this reformat/reinstall it isn't being too friendly. [02:15] Do you have an idea how to fix it? [02:15] i'm looking for the magic click box stating 'let xfce manage the desktop' [02:15] haven't found it yet [02:16] cody-somerville, you around? [02:17] Ah, ok. I'll be patient ;) [02:18] i'm just getting use to 9.04's changes [02:18] J_Litewski, sorta [02:18] since it now conforms to the menu standards and everything is all backwards [02:18] cody-somerville, where is the "Let XFCE manage the Destop" box at in 9.04? [02:19] There is none [02:19] they took it out? [02:21] hmmm... [02:21] Antioch, go to Applications/System/Services [02:22] nevermind [02:22] :( [02:22] not what i was hoping it was [02:23] doh [02:23] Antioch, do you have a desktop? [02:24] Uhm, what do you mean? [02:24] icons and all that jazz [02:24] I have a lightblue background with a terminal on it. [02:24] most likely not [02:24] hmm, no icons, but doesnt XFCE have non by default? [02:24] nonde* [02:25] none* bleh [02:25] i had mine re-enabled when i installed [02:25] um... just a sec [02:25] press Alt+F2 and enter xfwm4 [02:25] well when I installed 9.04 beta last time there were no icons by default. [02:26] oh [02:26] idk then [02:26] another window manager already running. [02:26] ah [02:26] ok [02:26] try xfdesktop then [02:27] That did it [02:27] and there are icons. Trash and such. I had forgotten. [02:27] ok, thats good [02:28] can you change your background now? [02:28] Yes. [02:28] ok, good [02:28] I'm curious if I'm missing anything else. [02:28] so am i [02:28] try xfsettingsd [02:28] or better yet, open a terminal and enter top [02:29] ok didnt do xfsettingsd - did top. [02:29] What are you looking for? [02:30] first, press u and type your username and press enter [02:30] since we don't need all the root processes showing right nw [02:30] *now [02:30] ok [02:30] xfsettingsd is already running [02:31] and xfconfd [02:31] ok [02:31] a crud ton of xfdesktops too? [02:31] i dont see xfdesktop but its running. [02:32] must be a lower proc. [02:32] might be [02:32] i got a crud ton running, so i was just asking [02:32] hmm [02:33] Ill try making a new user and see if it starts up ok. [02:33] Might be a problem with my user configs. [02:33] try restarting [02:33] and make sure the 'save sessions' tick box is ticked [02:34] ok well the new user I created logs in with everything running properly. [02:34] I guess the default user must have gotten messed up some how. === Sancas_ is now known as sancas [02:37] may be [02:41] yeah, deleting and recreating that user fixed it. [02:41] Odd that the default user got messed up [02:42] weird things happen [02:43] I recomend installing irssi, Antioch [02:43] Whats that [02:43] (any other recommendataions) [02:45] irssi is a terminal IRC client, just in case you need to run the recovery kernel [02:45] i had to do that today, no fun [02:45] oh I have more than one machine :) [02:45] ah [02:45] isnt bitchx terminal as well? [02:45] not sure [02:46] (afk gotta run out for a second) [02:46] kk [02:56] Ever have one of those days? Been trying to get wireless working, and realized I was putting in the wrong essid [02:56] lol bytor4232, yea i have [03:09] i love how syupid people can be [03:09] *stupid [03:10] rant in #xubuntu-offtopic [03:13] rant rant [03:14] lol [03:14] basically, i got an email from a bank in Texas (while I'm in Michigan) with a link to a PayPal Payments Center [03:14] any nifty xfce apps or utils I should know about? [03:15] Well that's how they like to do business. All profits [03:18] i just pinged the uri supplied with the email [03:19] aganst the uri for HCSB [03:20] heh, this person has no clue how to mask an IP address [03:20] Did they even try? ;) [03:20] nope [03:21] the uri is a personal computer IP address [03:21] They probably didnt think you were smart enough to check (those who fall prey usually arent) or they werent smart enough to know what to do ;) [03:21] heh [03:24] whatever computer sent the message isn't online at the moment [03:44] is there an utility to make multimedia keyboard keys work? [03:47] lint01, what type of keyboard do you have? [03:48] hm just generic keyboard with multimedia keys, like play/stop, back/forward, volume up/down, browser, mail etc. [03:53] Lint01, try mapping them to shortcuts in the keyboards menu [03:54] or checking to see if there is a multimedia keyboard layout in the keyboard layout section [04:02] what is SHOUTcast and why is it trying to access my computer? [04:05] Monitoring your firewall is fun at first [04:05] but then it gets boring [04:05] Tons of systems touch yours every day [04:06] well, i can understand hitting my system once or twice, but 12 times within a second? [04:06] Yup [04:06] Not uncommon at all [04:23] does ports 1024-1030 do anything in ubuntu? [04:59] XFCE 4.6.1 is going to be released in the next few days, any chance of making the 9.04 release? [05:24] bytor4232, if xfce 4.6.1 doesn't come with 9.04 release [05:25] probably it will be avaible with backports [05:45] ah, trusty backports! That is cool. Didn't think of that. 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[06:14] not too many idiots we see in #xubuntu... i suppose it does occur now and then [06:23] Wild. [09:01] in the future, feel free to use "!ops" call [09:02] good thing we arein different timezones [09:04] Goodmorning [09:44] what is different here [09:45] fdemocracy: erm, huh? [09:45] different here? fdemocracy [09:46] yeah. why would i want to use xubuntu and not say debian [09:48] I have one reason why (x)ubuntu is better than debian: predictable release cycle [09:48] fdemocracy: one of those questions that are difficult to answer without more information about your hardware and needs [09:48] im on a netbook. my needs are basic [09:49] fdemocracy: then the predictable release cycle is indeed nice to have [09:49] how predictablee? [09:49] every six months. [09:49] and LTS every 2 years [09:50] ad infinitum [09:50] and on install time you know how long release is supported [09:51] ubuntu may be also bit more polished, and more user friendly, but that's not point for me [09:51] ubuntu takes a snapshot of debian unstable every six months, makes it as stable as it can and releases every six months. [09:52] on the other hand, debian might be bit more tested and stable, and other side of it is 'bit older sw' [09:53] I was debian user for 6-7 years, but now I'm using ubuntu on all my own & customers machines [09:53] this debian netinstall does not let me handpick what i want to download ;( [09:53] desktop & server [09:53] i see. [09:53] why did you move to ubuntu? [09:53] release cycle is only thing for me [09:54] it was annoying to install server for customer with 3 years old distro, knowing it won't be supported more than 1 year [09:54] hi all [09:55] but next release was on freeze, and debian freeze can be anything, and frozen is not stable, it's RC [09:55] with ubuntu I can install server, and say 'this has to be updated year XXXX' [09:56] may i ask something? [09:56] !ask [09:56] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [09:58] (sorry to ask to ask, its just not related with conversation) i saw that the new xubuntu will be done in a few days... is it hard to update to it? [09:58] !update [09:58] For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading [09:58] marcPV: depends on where you're updating from [10:00] i wish i had a faster connection for this netinstall [10:00] ok so i dont have to download xubuntu 9 and install it from start... [10:01] tavasti: how did you feel when you read about the openssl bug? ;) [10:02] sorry im lil rookie on linux in general [10:02] marcPV: http://www.xubuntu.org/get [10:04] what made you want xubuntu marcPV ? [10:04] ty fdemocracy, i had a 256mb laptop that want to use so they told me to use xubuntu [10:05] i install xubuntu 8 and works fine [10:06] the thing is that i see now that xubuntu 9 is closer... [10:06] Is it like windows that 32bit "only" supports 3.5GB of memory ? [10:07] i mean.. is xubuntu like windows [10:08] sorry, what? [10:12] You know that windows 32bit only supports 3.5GB of memory or somewhere around that [10:13] dont knew it, sorry, im a regular user [10:14] so how is that related with xubuntu? [10:14] Without Physical Address Extension in cpu and in software , 32 bit cpus can only see about 3.2Gb of ram [10:16] lol marcPV .. read my question. [10:17] I'm asking if it's the same with xubuntu THAT's how it's related. [10:17] Well i've got an 64bit cpu but i installed 32bit OS [10:18] ok ok sorry Slonkie, im a rookie in linux AND besides im valencian and my english stinks [10:19] :) [10:19] ¬_¬U [10:23] bye everyone [11:22] Is there any free virtual machine applications? [11:22] lost tooltip indicater for network monitor and system load monitor, am on Jaunty beta ... silly glitch but would be nice to have it display ... what do I need to do to get it back [11:25] Slonkie, lots, vmware client, vmware server, qemu(+frontends), virtualbox and a lot more [11:26] afaik vmware isen't free [11:27] Slonkie, you meen free as in beer or as in speach (no costs or open source) [11:28] no costs/open source [11:28] vmware server is free as beer if you aren't using it for selling virtual machine hosting [11:28] vmware client and vmware server can be downloaded free of cost from the vmware site, virtualbox has an oss version and quemu is also oss [11:28] All right cool [11:28] Thanks! [12:19] there is some nonfree software in ubuntu isnt there [12:21] fdemocracy, there are in some repositories, such as the nvidia drivers in universe etc [12:28] ablomen: were there no some in the package manager? [14:09] hi [14:22] Hi [14:41] hi folks - i'm trying to boot to the xubuntu live disk but not having any luck. could be a number of things but the obvious ones first... is 8.04.1 a live disk iso? could the problem be that i've burned it to a DVDRW as opposed to a CDR(or RW)? [14:42] i know the optical drive can be booted from as i've used it as such before [14:43] what are you getting? [14:45] nothing... it boots straight to XP - i've even tried to force its hand by forcing it to use the dvd (F10 just after turning on to choose the boot device) [14:46] just about to try the disk in another machine - is there anything howlingly obvious that might be causing this though? - 8.04.1 is definitely a live disk isn't it? [14:47] I guess [14:48] ok on the other machine i get "Selected boot device not available - strike F1 to retry boot, F2 for setup utility" === nineteenfingers_ is now known as nineteenfingers [16:02] ok, i have a slight problem [16:03] i can't get into my computer outside the recovery kernel [16:03] it locks up [16:11] basically, it shows the desktop and the panel, then the HDD light lights up and the mouse refuses to work [16:12] J_Litewski, tell me about it... I hate those freezes, it's what's preventing me from running 9.04 :( [16:12] Not even the Magic SysRq works when that happens... [16:13] well, i booted into the recovery kernel yesterday and updated the software and it worked [16:13] albeit for a day [16:13] yesterday it wa so bad it wouldn't get past the splash screen [16:14] well, i'm going to try and update the system, see if it works it's magic like it did yesterday [16:14] brb [16:43] ok... that didn't work [16:46] cody-somerville, whats the newest version of the xfdesktop? [16:47] hey folks, bit of a basic question - can anyone confirm or refute that it's possible to use a DVDR instead of a CDR to make a live disk of kubuntu 8.04.1? [16:47] J_Litewski, 4.6.0-1ubuntu1 [16:47] nineteenfingers: you should ask in #kubuntu [16:48] sorry - stupid mistake - i meant xubuntu - no idea why i typed kubuntu at all :p [16:48] Then, yes, you can do that [16:48] cody-somerville, is there a version before that one? like 4.6.0-1ubuntu0? [16:48] it's not even like i can claim it was a typo! :p [16:48] thanks charlie-tca [16:48] no problem. [16:48] J_Litewski, You can find that out by visiting http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4 [16:49] i don't have a gui atm, i'm running a recovery kernel with irssi [16:49] i'm trying to see if i can't roll back something to fix the lock up problem i'm having [16:52] it seems whenever the xfdesktop or the xfce4-panel loadsup, the computer freaks out and locks up [16:54] well, apparently the problem i was having was either a bad burn or a corrupted ISO - i've just re-downloaded and re-burned and it now seems to be working [16:55] :-) [16:58] although - i'm at the live disk menu and though i can hilight the various options i can't select any of them - odd [16:58] When you hilight it and hit enter, it should select automatically [16:59] cody-somerville, is it safe to uninstall xfce and then reinstall it? [16:59] nineteenfingers: kind of not so intuitively, I guess [16:59] hello [16:59] how do I remove xfce-panel from launching at the start of my session? [17:01] yea, i'm hitting enter and nothing's happening - i get a brief flash of the light on the DVD drive (and the drive access light on the tower itself) and nothing else - still on the menu - still able to move up and down the options and use the F- keys for Help, language and so on [17:01] gonna try burning it again i think - just to see - unless you have a better idea [17:01] nineteenfingers: try selecting f6 first, then the other options [17:02] any suggestion which one to try? "acpi=off, noapic, nolapic, edd=on, Free Software Only" [17:02] What is failing? [17:03] or are you just testing? [17:03] testing I would try acpi=off, because then you see the results when you shutdown [17:04] You won't get a poweroff without it, normally [17:04] so far i've tried the "Try Xubuntu without any change to your computer" on the main live disk menu, and also "Check CD for defects" and neither work - both give the brief flash on the disk-access light and then stay on the menu [17:04] That sounds like either bad drive or bad cd [17:04] not tried any of the F6 options yet - and i'm trying to get to a desktop so i can pull some files i need to keep from a malware affected XP machine [17:05] (not my machine) [17:05] salve a tutti [17:05] ho un problema con i film x264+ [17:05] x264* [17:05] The image should not care if you use a cd-r or dvd-r, they should look the same [17:05] hi all [17:05] simone: English, please [17:05] sorry [17:05] I have a problem [17:05] with x264 films [17:06] I have installed xubuntu-restricted-extras [17:06] peple, I install ubuntu 8.10 server, and after I need Grafical interface only to use firefox. So I install apt-get install xorg xfce. But after I did startx command, mouse not works. I try ps2 and usb mouse. what file I can change to try solve that ? [17:07] yea, figured from your ealier response that CD vs DVD was a non-issue [17:08] but something seems wrong with the burn or drive if you can't read it. Is that a DVD-drive? [17:08] some file xorg to configure ? [17:09] drive on the affected machine is a DVD+RW so fine on that front - definitely a bootable drive too (if that's the right terminology to use) - just about to test the burn in another box to see if it acts any differently [17:10] Yeah, that would be next [17:11] ok, different box, same issue, booting back into XP on a good box to re-burn [17:12] anyone? [17:19] charlie-tca... bad burn... just tried again, same iso and same disk - just finished loading lunix kernel and waiting for a desktop now [17:19] Glad to hear that. [17:21] and we have a desktop! cheers charlie-tca - now to see if xubuntu will play nicely with this box [17:30] hi [17:31] !hi | kromar [17:31] kromar: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! [17:32] hmm - as I said, i've got a desktop (Xubuntu 8.04.1 for anyone who wasn't following earlier), but either something is very wrong or it's too much for the system (256MB RAM and 2.93GHz Intel P4) - the pointer jerks along when I move the mouse and i can't seem to select anything, is there a boot option for lower RAM machines like this or is something else the likely culprit? [17:32] i have a little problem with a file i want to copy from a ntfs(winxp) drive, it seems i cant copy the file to the folder i need it [17:33] nineteenfingers: might try starting it with vesa video driver. Is this a virtual machine? [17:33] hmm acctually i cant paste it in the folder it needs to be, how can i change the privileges for a folder? [17:35] charlie-tca nope - it's a live-disk in a real box i'm trying to sort out for a family member... is starting it with vesa video driver one of the boot options on F6? [17:35] F4 [17:36] either vesa or safe mode or similar wording [17:36] ah of course - right, "safe graphics mode" i'm trying that now [17:45] right - vesa video driver seems to have worked - got a usable desktop this time - cheers again charlie-tca [17:46] :-) [17:52] haha - it's amazing how much difference there is between one distro/environment and another... i'm used to KDE on openSUSE... please someone give me a hint - how do i get a command line??? [17:52] Evening :) [17:52] i'm no linux expert - i dabble at best - but this has me stumped - haha [17:53] Alt+F2 or Applications -> Accessories -> terminal [17:53] ah of course - i was looking for something like "console" - dunno how i missed that - unfamiliarity i suppose (that's my excuse and i'm sticking to it) [17:54] * charlie-tca thinks that is a good excuse today [18:00] never needed to do it before... i thought XP had been shut down cleanly but the NTFS partition is marked to be in use - are there any potential problems with using "-o force" to access it from xubuntu? [18:06] I don't really know, but I think that is a bad thing to do. [18:07] having ntfs partition is a bad thing :-) [18:08] agreed! [18:08] is it possible to convert ntfs partitions to whatever is best for xubuntu? [18:08] if you mount it read-only, it doesn't seem like it should be that bad... I wouldn't force it when mounting read-write [18:09] tavasti - oh if only i could wave goodbye to ntfs forever! :p [18:10] zoredache - i don't need write access at all - how do i go about mounting ReadOnly? [18:10] I believe it would be something like mount -t ntfs -o ro,force /dev/nnn /mountpoint [18:12] ro,force with no spaces? [18:13] whats a good image browser for xubuntu? would like something like acdsee [18:15] kromar, I suppose you could use Picasa, that's the only one I know of off the top of m yhead, but I don't really use them [18:15] kromar, you could browse around linuxappfinder.com [18:16] i am browsing it but thought someone might know a nice app:D [18:16] Heh :P [18:16] gqview is available and originally started as a clone of a early version of acdsee [18:16] hm how can i change the default browser so it doesent open firefox when i klick a link in the appfinder? [18:17] kromar: right-click, select properties, select the program to use [18:17] thx zoredache, will give it a try [18:17] kromar, I believe in the Settings Manager it's "Preferred Applications" [18:17] Yep, that's the one :) [18:17] vinnl: that's only for browser, mail and terminal [18:17] there is no "preffered Application" when right klicking on it:/ [18:18] kromar: there is also a odly named package that may work called 'pornview' [18:18] TheSheep, he wanted browser :) [18:18] !info pornview [18:18]