[00:24] <BigMoopies> Hello, I am wondering if it is possible to auto start a terminal program each time I login and for it not to close.  Would I want to put that in .bash_profile or .bashrc ?  Or would that just open it up each terminal tab and create an issue ?
[00:25] <zoredache> BigMoopies: you probably should add a terminal to at the autostarted apps
[00:25] <zoredache> applications -> settings -> settings manager -> autostarted apps
[00:25] <BigMoopies> zoredache, then just run the shell program myself ?
[00:26] <zoredache> do you actually want to see the console?  or do you just want to start the program in the background?
[00:26] <BigMoopies> I want to see it.
[00:27] <BigMoopies> It's bwm (bandwidth monitor)
[00:27] <zoredache> so as you autostarted application you could run a command like  xfce4-terminal --title="BWM" -x bwm
[00:28] <zoredache> or rather... xfce4-terminal --title="BWM" - bwm
[00:28] <BigMoopies> interesting, I been using GNOME's terminal.
[00:28] <BigMoopies> oops.
[00:29] <zoredache> I am sure you could do a similar thing with that if you wanted too
[00:29] <BigMoopies> xfce4-terminal --title="BWM" - bwm
[00:29] <BigMoopies> Unknown option "-"
[00:30] <BigMoopies> Is what I get.
[00:30] <cody-somerville> BigMoopies, - is an unknown option.
[00:30] <BigMoopies> cody-somerville, So I want to leave out - ?
[00:30] <zoredache> actually my first command should ahve been right
[00:32] <BigMoopies> yeah the first one works
[00:32] <cody-somerville> You probably want xfce4-terminal -x bwm
[00:32] <BigMoopies> so how would I edit my applications -> Accessories -> terminal to use xfce4-terminal ? instead of GNOMEs
[00:32] <BigMoopies> or add the xfce4-terminal to it
[00:34] <zoredache> BigMoopies: anyway, somewhat unrelated, I suspect I would run bwm under gnu screen
[00:34] <zoredache> that way your monitoring will stay around even if you are logged off
[00:34] <BigMoopies> zoredache, it doesn't log or anything.
[00:35] <BigMoopies> I'm thinking about trying to find a GUI replacement for it
[00:35] <BigMoopies> but then yet again it works, so why
[00:42] <J_Litewski> is dhcpd.conf only on server versions of Ubuntu?
[00:43] <zoredache> if you install the dhcp server package, then you'll get a copy of it...
[00:44] <J_Litewski> ah
[00:44] <zoredache> are you wanting to run a dhcp server?
[00:44] <J_Litewski> i was looking at a little hack to deter people stealing mie wireless
[00:44] <J_Litewski> http://www.ex-parrot.com/peter/upside-down-ternet.html
[00:45] <zoredache> that is slightly entertaining, but a better solution would be to simply setup wpa encryption if you can
[00:45] <J_Litewski> eh
[00:45] <J_Litewski> i like pissing people off
[00:46] <J_Litewski> if i get a Nintendo DSi or a Wii, i'll WPA encrypt it
[00:46] <zoredache> yeah, but what happens if the person isn't just a leach and decides to actually intercept your network traffic?
[00:47] <zoredache> do you not worry about them seeing your logins for web pages, what you are looking at, and so on?
[00:49] <J_Litewski> i am, but still
[00:50] <J_Litewski> i'm running a linux router with built in firewall on a linux machine with an active firewall
[00:52] <zoredache> a firewall won't protect you against many types of bad things that an evil person on your wifi could do...
[01:24] <Antioch> I just installed the xubuntu beta and updated all packages. I used to have the beta installed and updated, but I reformatted my HD. This time after updating, however, the panel and background don't appear after logging in - only a terminal does. How can I fix this?
[01:24] <Antioch> Thanks.
[01:28] <J_Litewski> did you install using a alternitive disk?
[01:28] <J_Litewski> or the LiveCD?
[01:33] <Antioch> liveCD
[01:33] <Antioch> off of a flashdisk.
[01:33] <Antioch> I did it the same way a few weeks ago, and things worked fine. This time, however, the panel and other associated processes do not start upon login.
[01:34] <Antioch> the login manager does work, however.
[01:47] <Mood> startx?
[02:08] <J_Litewski> Antioch, can you start the panel by typing xfce4-panel into the dialog you get when you press Alt+F2?
[02:10] <Antioch> J_Litewski, yes I can
[02:11] <Antioch> but whatever is incharge of the desktop doesn't work. I can't change the background and it's stays the solid, light-blue default color, regardless of what I select.
[02:11] <J_Litewski> just a sec
[02:11] <J_Litewski> your running 9.04, correct?
[02:11] <Antioch> 9.04 with up-to-date packages.
[02:12] <Antioch> The only non-standard repo I have it for nvidia drivers.
[02:12] <Antioch> but I used the same driver last time and there wasn't a problem.
[02:12] <J_Litewski> ok
[02:12] <J_Litewski> sounds like xfce isn't managing the desktop
[02:12] <Antioch> Yeah.
[02:12] <Antioch> I tried to run something like xfce4-session but it said that process was already running.
[02:13] <Antioch> (Im new to XFCE so I don't know what each bin does yet ;))
[02:14] <J_Litewski> xfce is nice once it's configured (i had problems when i first installed it too, it takes time to get to running smoothly
[02:14] <Antioch> Well, last time it ran fine and was nice. I just needed to get used to it. But after this reformat/reinstall it isn't being too friendly.
[02:15] <Antioch> Do you have an idea how to fix it?
[02:15] <J_Litewski> i'm looking for the magic click box stating 'let xfce manage the desktop'
[02:15] <J_Litewski> haven't found it yet
[02:16] <J_Litewski> cody-somerville, you around?
[02:17] <Antioch> Ah, ok. I'll be patient ;)
[02:18] <J_Litewski> i'm just getting use to 9.04's changes
[02:18] <cody-somerville> J_Litewski, sorta
[02:18] <J_Litewski> since it now conforms to the menu standards and everything is all backwards
[02:18] <J_Litewski> cody-somerville, where is the "Let XFCE manage the Destop" box at in 9.04?
[02:19] <cody-somerville> There is none
[02:19] <J_Litewski> they took it out?
[02:21] <J_Litewski> hmmm...
[02:21] <J_Litewski> Antioch, go to Applications/System/Services
[02:22] <J_Litewski> nevermind
[02:22] <Antioch> :(
[02:22] <J_Litewski> not what i was hoping it was
[02:23] <Antioch> doh
[02:23] <J_Litewski> Antioch, do you have a desktop?
[02:24] <Antioch> Uhm, what do you mean?
[02:24] <J_Litewski> icons and all that jazz
[02:24] <Antioch> I have a lightblue background with a terminal on it.
[02:24] <J_Litewski> most likely not
[02:24] <Antioch> hmm, no icons, but doesnt XFCE have non by default?
[02:24] <Antioch> nonde*
[02:25] <Antioch> none* bleh
[02:25] <J_Litewski> i had mine re-enabled when i installed
[02:25] <J_Litewski> um... just a sec
[02:25] <J_Litewski> press Alt+F2 and enter xfwm4
[02:25] <Antioch> well when I installed 9.04 beta last time there were no icons by default.
[02:26] <J_Litewski> oh
[02:26] <J_Litewski> idk then
[02:26] <Antioch> another window manager already running.
[02:26] <J_Litewski> ah
[02:26] <J_Litewski> ok
[02:26] <J_Litewski> try xfdesktop then
[02:27] <Antioch> That did it
[02:27] <Antioch> and there are icons. Trash and such. I had forgotten.
[02:27] <J_Litewski> ok, thats good
[02:28] <J_Litewski> can you change your background now?
[02:28] <Antioch> Yes.
[02:28] <J_Litewski> ok, good
[02:28] <Antioch> I'm curious if I'm missing anything else.
[02:28] <J_Litewski> so am i
[02:28] <J_Litewski> try xfsettingsd
[02:28] <J_Litewski> or better yet, open a terminal and enter top
[02:29] <Antioch> ok didnt do xfsettingsd - did top.
[02:29] <Antioch> What are you looking for?
[02:30] <J_Litewski> first, press u and type your username and press enter
[02:30] <J_Litewski> since we don't need all the root processes showing right nw
[02:30] <J_Litewski> *now
[02:30] <Antioch> ok
[02:30] <Antioch> xfsettingsd is already running
[02:31] <Antioch> and xfconfd
[02:31] <J_Litewski> ok
[02:31] <J_Litewski> a crud ton of xfdesktops too?
[02:31] <Antioch> i dont see xfdesktop but its running.
[02:32] <Antioch> must be a lower proc.
[02:32] <J_Litewski> might be
[02:32] <J_Litewski> i got a crud ton running, so i was just asking
[02:32] <J_Litewski> hmm
[02:33] <Antioch> Ill try making a new user and see if it starts up ok.
[02:33] <Antioch> Might be a problem with my user configs.
[02:33] <J_Litewski> try restarting
[02:33] <J_Litewski> and make sure the 'save sessions' tick box is ticked
[02:34] <Antioch> ok well the new user I created logs in with everything running properly.
[02:34] <Antioch> I guess the default user must have gotten messed up some how.
[02:37] <J_Litewski> may be
[02:41] <Antioch> yeah, deleting and recreating that user fixed it.
[02:41] <Antioch> Odd that the default user got messed up
[02:42] <J_Litewski> weird things happen
[02:43] <J_Litewski> I recomend installing irssi, Antioch
[02:43] <Antioch> Whats that
[02:43] <Antioch> (any other recommendataions)
[02:45] <J_Litewski> irssi is a terminal IRC client, just in case you need to run the recovery kernel
[02:45] <J_Litewski> i had to do that today, no fun
[02:45] <Antioch> oh I have more than one machine :)
[02:45] <J_Litewski> ah
[02:45] <Antioch> isnt bitchx terminal as well?
[02:45] <J_Litewski> not sure
[02:46] <Antioch> (afk gotta run out for a second)
[02:46] <J_Litewski> kk
[02:56] <bytor4232> Ever have one of those days?  Been trying to get wireless working, and realized I was putting in the wrong essid
[02:56] <J_Litewski> lol bytor4232, yea i have
[03:09] <J_Litewski> i love how syupid people can be
[03:09] <J_Litewski> *stupid
[03:10] <J_Litewski> rant in #xubuntu-offtopic
[03:13] <Antioch> rant rant
[03:14] <J_Litewski> lol
[03:14] <J_Litewski> basically, i got an email from a bank in Texas (while I'm in Michigan) with a link to a PayPal Payments Center
[03:14] <Antioch> any nifty xfce apps or utils I should know about?
[03:15] <Antioch> Well that's how they like to do business. All profits
[03:18] <J_Litewski> i just pinged the uri supplied with the email
[03:19] <J_Litewski> aganst the uri for HCSB
[03:20] <J_Litewski> heh, this person has no clue how to mask an IP address
[03:20] <Antioch> Did they even try? ;)
[03:20] <J_Litewski> nope
[03:21] <J_Litewski> the uri is a personal computer IP address
[03:21] <Antioch> They probably didnt think you were smart enough to check (those who fall prey usually arent) or they werent smart enough to know what to do ;)
[03:21] <J_Litewski> heh
[03:24] <J_Litewski> whatever computer sent the message isn't online at the moment
[03:44] <Lint01> is there an utility to make multimedia keyboard keys work?
[03:47] <J_Litewski> lint01, what type of keyboard do you have?
[03:48] <Lint01> hm just generic keyboard with multimedia keys, like play/stop, back/forward, volume up/down, browser, mail etc.
[03:53] <J_Litewski> Lint01, try mapping them to shortcuts in the keyboards menu
[03:54] <J_Litewski> or checking to see if there is a multimedia keyboard layout in the keyboard layout section
[04:02] <J_Litewski> what is SHOUTcast and why is it trying to access my computer?
[04:05] <cody-somerville> Monitoring your firewall is fun at first
[04:05] <cody-somerville> but then it gets boring
[04:05] <cody-somerville> Tons of systems touch yours every day
[04:06] <J_Litewski> well, i can understand hitting my system once or twice, but 12 times within a second?
[04:06] <cody-somerville> Yup
[04:06] <cody-somerville> Not uncommon at all
[04:23] <J_Litewski> does ports 1024-1030 do anything in ubuntu?
[04:59] <bytor4232> XFCE 4.6.1 is going to be released in the next few days, any chance of making the 9.04 release?
[05:24] <forces> bytor4232, if xfce 4.6.1 doesn't come with 9.04 release
[05:25] <forces> probably it will be avaible with backports
[05:45] <bytor4232> ah, trusty backports!  That is cool.  Didn't think of that.
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[06:12] <OracleGD> Bitches.
[06:14] <Mood> not too many idiots we see in #xubuntu... i suppose it does occur now and then
[06:23] <bytor4232> Wild.
[09:01] <Myrtti> in the future, feel free to use "!ops" call
[09:02] <TheSheep> good thing we arein different timezones
[09:04] <Slonkie> Goodmorning
[09:44] <fdemocracy> what is different here
[09:45] <Myrtti> fdemocracy: erm, huh?
[09:45] <Slonkie> different here? fdemocracy
[09:46] <fdemocracy> yeah. why would i want to use xubuntu and not say debian
[09:48] <tavasti> I have one reason why (x)ubuntu is better than debian: predictable release cycle
[09:48] <Myrtti> fdemocracy: one of those questions that are difficult to answer without more information about your hardware and needs
[09:48] <fdemocracy> im on a netbook. my needs are basic
[09:49] <Myrtti> fdemocracy: then the predictable release cycle is indeed nice to have
[09:49] <fdemocracy> how predictablee?
[09:49] <Myrtti> every six months.
[09:49] <tavasti> and LTS every 2 years
[09:50] <Myrtti> ad infinitum
[09:50] <tavasti> and on install time you know how long release is supported
[09:51] <tavasti> ubuntu may be also bit more polished, and more user friendly, but that's not point for me
[09:51] <Myrtti> ubuntu takes a snapshot of debian unstable every six months, makes it as stable as it can and releases every six months.
[09:52] <tavasti> on the other hand, debian might be bit more tested and stable, and other side of it is 'bit older sw'
[09:53] <tavasti> I was debian user for 6-7 years, but now I'm using ubuntu on all my own & customers machines
[09:53] <fdemocracy> this debian netinstall does not let me handpick what i want to download ;(
[09:53] <tavasti> desktop & server
[09:53] <fdemocracy> i see.
[09:53] <fdemocracy> why did you move to ubuntu?
[09:53] <tavasti> release cycle is only thing for me
[09:54] <tavasti> it was annoying to install server for customer with 3 years old distro, knowing it won't be supported more than 1 year
[09:54] <marcPV> hi all
[09:55] <tavasti> but next release was on freeze, and debian freeze can be anything, and frozen is not stable, it's RC
[09:55] <tavasti> with ubuntu I can install server, and say 'this has to be updated year XXXX'
[09:56] <marcPV> may i ask something?
[09:56] <Slonkie> !ask
[09:58] <marcPV> (sorry to ask to ask, its just not related with conversation) i saw that the new xubuntu will be done in a few days... is it hard to update to it?
[09:58] <knome> !update
[09:58] <Myrtti> marcPV: depends on where you're updating from
[10:00] <fdemocracy> i wish i had a faster connection for this netinstall
[10:00] <marcPV> ok so i dont have to download xubuntu 9 and install it from start...
[10:01] <fdemocracy> tavasti:  how did you feel when you read about the openssl bug? ;)
[10:02] <marcPV> sorry im lil rookie on linux in general
[10:02] <fdemocracy> marcPV: http://www.xubuntu.org/get
[10:04] <fdemocracy> what made you want xubuntu marcPV ?
[10:04] <marcPV> ty fdemocracy, i had a 256mb laptop that want to use so they told me to use xubuntu
[10:05] <marcPV> i install xubuntu 8 and works fine
[10:06] <marcPV> the thing is that i see now that xubuntu 9 is closer...
[10:06] <Slonkie> Is it like windows that 32bit "only" supports 3.5GB of memory ?
[10:07] <Slonkie> i mean.. is xubuntu like windows
[10:08] <marcPV> sorry, what?
[10:12] <Slonkie> You know that windows 32bit only supports 3.5GB of memory or somewhere around that
[10:13] <marcPV> dont knew it, sorry, im a regular user
[10:14] <marcPV> so how is that related with xubuntu?
[10:14] <genii> Without Physical Address Extension   in cpu and in software , 32 bit cpus can only see about 3.2Gb of ram
[10:16] <Slonkie> lol marcPV .. read my question.
[10:17] <Slonkie> I'm asking if it's the same with xubuntu THAT's how it's related.
[10:17] <Slonkie> Well i've got an 64bit cpu but i installed 32bit OS
[10:18] <marcPV> ok ok sorry Slonkie, im a rookie in linux AND besides im valencian and my english stinks
[10:19] <Slonkie> :)
[10:19] <marcPV> ¬_¬U
[10:23] <marcPV> bye everyone
[11:22] <Slonkie> Is there any free virtual machine applications?
[11:22] <kancerman> lost tooltip indicater for network monitor and system load monitor, am on Jaunty beta ... silly glitch but would be nice to have it display ... what do I need to do to get it back
[11:25] <ablomen> Slonkie, lots, vmware client, vmware server, qemu(+frontends), virtualbox and a lot more
[11:26] <Slonkie> afaik vmware isen't free
[11:27] <ablomen> Slonkie, you meen free as in beer or as in speach (no costs or open source)
[11:28] <Slonkie> no costs/open source
[11:28] <tavasti> vmware server is free as beer if you aren't using it for selling virtual machine hosting
[11:28] <ablomen> vmware client and vmware server can be downloaded free of cost from the vmware site, virtualbox has an oss version and quemu is also oss
[11:28] <Slonkie> All right cool
[11:28] <Slonkie> Thanks!
[12:19] <fdemocracy> there is some nonfree software in ubuntu isnt there
[12:21] <ablomen> fdemocracy, there are in some repositories, such as the nvidia drivers in universe etc
[12:28] <fdemocracy> ablomen:  were there no some in the package manager?
[14:09] <geekk> hi
[14:22] <cody-somerville> Hi
[14:41] <nineteenfingers_> hi folks - i'm trying to boot to the xubuntu live disk but not having any luck. could be a number of things but the obvious ones first... is 8.04.1 a live disk iso? could the problem be that i've burned it to a DVDRW as opposed to a CDR(or RW)?
[14:42] <nineteenfingers_> i know the optical drive can be booted from as i've used it as such before
[14:43] <TheSheep> what are you getting?
[14:45] <nineteenfingers_> nothing... it boots straight to XP - i've even tried to force its hand by forcing it to use the dvd (F10 just after turning on to choose the boot device)
[14:46] <nineteenfingers_> just about to try the disk in another machine - is there anything howlingly obvious that might be causing this though? - 8.04.1 is definitely a live disk isn't it?
[14:47] <TheSheep> I guess
[14:48] <nineteenfingers_> ok on the other machine i get "Selected boot device not available - strike F1 to retry boot, F2 for setup utility"
[16:02] <J_Litewski> ok, i have a slight problem
[16:03] <J_Litewski> i can't get into my computer outside the recovery kernel
[16:03] <J_Litewski> it locks up
[16:11] <J_Litewski> basically, it shows the desktop and the panel, then the HDD light lights up and the mouse refuses to work
[16:12] <vinnl> J_Litewski, tell me about it... I hate those freezes, it's what's preventing me from running 9.04 :(
[16:12] <vinnl> Not even the Magic SysRq works when that happens...
[16:13] <J_Litewski> well, i booted into the recovery kernel yesterday and updated the software and it worked
[16:13] <J_Litewski> albeit for a day
[16:13] <J_Litewski> yesterday it wa so bad it wouldn't get past the splash screen
[16:14] <J_Litewski> well, i'm going to try and update the system, see if it works it's magic like it did yesterday
[16:14] <J_Litewski> brb
[16:43] <J_Litewski> ok... that didn't work
[16:46] <J_Litewski> cody-somerville, whats the newest version of the xfdesktop?
[16:47] <nineteenfingers> hey folks, bit of a basic question - can anyone confirm or refute that it's possible to use a DVDR instead of a CDR to make a live disk of kubuntu 8.04.1?
[16:47] <cody-somerville> J_Litewski, 4.6.0-1ubuntu1
[16:47] <charlie-tca> nineteenfingers: you should ask in #kubuntu
[16:48] <nineteenfingers> sorry - stupid mistake - i meant xubuntu - no idea why i typed kubuntu at all :p
[16:48] <charlie-tca> Then, yes, you can do that
[16:48] <J_Litewski> cody-somerville, is there a version before that one? like 4.6.0-1ubuntu0?
[16:48] <nineteenfingers> it's not even like i can claim it was a typo! :p
[16:48] <nineteenfingers> thanks charlie-tca
[16:48] <charlie-tca> no problem.
[16:48] <cody-somerville> J_Litewski, You can find that out by visiting http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4
[16:49] <J_Litewski> i don't have a gui atm, i'm running a recovery kernel with irssi
[16:49] <J_Litewski> i'm trying to see if i can't roll back something to fix the lock up problem i'm having
[16:52] <J_Litewski> it seems whenever the xfdesktop or the xfce4-panel loadsup, the computer freaks out and locks up
[16:54] <nineteenfingers> well, apparently the problem i was having was either a bad burn or a corrupted ISO - i've just re-downloaded and re-burned and it now seems to be working
[16:55] <charlie-tca> :-)
[16:58] <nineteenfingers> although - i'm at the live disk menu and though i can hilight the various options i can't select any of them - odd
[16:58] <charlie-tca> When you hilight it and hit enter, it should select automatically
[16:59] <J_Litewski> cody-somerville, is it safe to uninstall xfce and then reinstall it?
[16:59] <charlie-tca> nineteenfingers: kind of not so intuitively, I guess
[16:59] <mweichert> hello
[16:59] <mweichert> how do I remove xfce-panel from launching at the start of my session?
[17:01] <nineteenfingers> yea, i'm hitting enter and nothing's happening - i get a brief flash of the light on the DVD drive (and the drive access light on the tower itself) and nothing else - still on the menu - still able to move up and down the options and use the F- keys for Help, language and so on
[17:01] <nineteenfingers> gonna try burning it again i think - just to see - unless you have a better idea
[17:01] <charlie-tca> nineteenfingers: try selecting f6 first, then the other options
[17:02] <nineteenfingers> any suggestion which one to try? "acpi=off, noapic, nolapic, edd=on, Free Software Only"
[17:02] <charlie-tca> What is failing?
[17:03] <charlie-tca> or are you just testing?
[17:03] <charlie-tca> testing I would try acpi=off, because then you see the results when you shutdown
[17:04] <charlie-tca> You won't get a poweroff without it, normally
[17:04] <nineteenfingers> so far i've tried the "Try Xubuntu without any change to your computer" on the main live disk menu, and also "Check CD for defects" and neither work - both give the brief flash on the disk-access light and then stay on the menu
[17:04] <charlie-tca> That sounds like either bad drive or bad cd
[17:04] <nineteenfingers> not tried any of the F6 options yet - and i'm trying to get to a desktop so i can pull some files i need to keep from a malware affected XP machine
[17:05] <nineteenfingers> (not my machine)
[17:05] <simone> salve a tutti
[17:05] <simone> ho un problema con i film x264+
[17:05] <simone> x264*
[17:05] <charlie-tca> The image should not care if you use a cd-r or dvd-r, they should look the same
[17:05] <J_P> hi all
[17:05] <charlie-tca> simone: English, please
[17:05] <simone> sorry
[17:05] <simone> I have a problem
[17:05] <simone> with x264 films
[17:06] <simone> I have installed xubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:06] <J_P> peple, I install ubuntu 8.10 server, and after I need Grafical interface only to use firefox. So I install apt-get install xorg xfce. But after I did startx command, mouse not works. I try ps2 and usb mouse. what file I can change to try solve that ?
[17:07] <nineteenfingers> yea, figured from your ealier response that CD vs DVD was a non-issue
[17:08] <charlie-tca> but something seems wrong with the burn or drive if you can't read it. Is that a DVD-drive?
[17:08] <J_P> some file xorg to configure ?
[17:09] <nineteenfingers> drive on the affected machine is a DVD+RW so fine on that front - definitely a bootable drive too (if that's the right terminology to use) - just about to test the burn in another box to see if it acts any differently
[17:10] <charlie-tca> Yeah, that would be next
[17:11] <nineteenfingers> ok, different box, same issue, booting back into XP on a good box to re-burn
[17:12] <J_P> anyone?
[17:19] <nineteenfingers> charlie-tca... bad burn... just tried again, same iso and same disk - just finished loading lunix kernel and waiting for a desktop now
[17:19] <charlie-tca> Glad to hear that.
[17:21] <nineteenfingers> and we have a desktop! cheers charlie-tca - now to see if xubuntu will play nicely with this box
[17:30] <kromar> hi
[17:31] <charlie-tca> !hi | kromar
[17:32] <nineteenfingers> hmm - as I said, i've got a desktop (Xubuntu 8.04.1 for anyone who wasn't following earlier), but either something is very wrong or it's too much for the system (256MB RAM and 2.93GHz Intel P4) - the pointer jerks along when I move the mouse and i can't seem to select anything, is there a boot option for lower RAM machines like this or is something else the likely culprit?
[17:32] <kromar> i have a little problem with a file i want to copy from a ntfs(winxp) drive, it seems i cant copy the file to the folder i need it
[17:33] <charlie-tca> nineteenfingers: might try starting it with vesa video driver. Is this a virtual machine?
[17:33] <kromar> hmm acctually i cant paste it in the folder it needs to be, how can i change the privileges for a folder?
[17:35] <nineteenfingers> charlie-tca nope - it's a live-disk in a real box i'm trying to sort out for a family member... is starting it with vesa video driver one of the boot options on F6?
[17:35] <charlie-tca> F4
[17:36] <charlie-tca> either vesa or safe mode or similar wording
[17:36] <nineteenfingers> ah of course - right, "safe graphics mode" i'm trying that now
[17:45] <nineteenfingers> right - vesa video driver seems to have worked - got a usable desktop this time - cheers again charlie-tca
[17:46] <charlie-tca> :-)
[17:52] <nineteenfingers> haha - it's amazing how much difference there is between one distro/environment and another... i'm used to KDE on openSUSE... please someone give me a hint - how do i get a command line???
[17:52] <moodog> Evening :)
[17:52] <nineteenfingers> i'm no linux expert - i dabble at best - but this has me stumped - haha
[17:53] <charlie-tca> Alt+F2 or Applications -> Accessories -> terminal
[17:53] <nineteenfingers> ah of course - i was looking for something like "console" - dunno how i missed that - unfamiliarity i suppose (that's my excuse and i'm sticking to it)
[17:54]  * charlie-tca thinks that is a good excuse today
[18:00] <nineteenfingers> never needed to do it before... i thought XP had been shut down cleanly but the NTFS partition is marked to be in use - are there any potential problems with using "-o force" to access it from xubuntu?
[18:06] <charlie-tca> I don't really know, but I think that is a bad thing to do.
[18:07] <tavasti> having ntfs partition is a bad thing :-)
[18:08] <charlie-tca> agreed!
[18:08] <kromar> is it possible to convert ntfs partitions to whatever is best for xubuntu?
[18:08] <zoredache> if you mount it read-only, it doesn't seem like it should be that bad...  I wouldn't force it when mounting read-write
[18:09] <nineteenfingers> tavasti - oh if only i could wave goodbye to ntfs forever! :p
[18:10] <nineteenfingers> zoredache - i don't need write access at all - how do i go about mounting ReadOnly?
[18:10] <zoredache> I believe it would be something like mount -t ntfs -o ro,force /dev/nnn /mountpoint
[18:12] <nineteenfingers> ro,force with no spaces?
[18:13] <kromar> whats a good image browser for xubuntu? would like something like acdsee
[18:15] <vinnl> kromar, I suppose you could use Picasa, that's the only one I know of off the top of m yhead, but I don't really use them
[18:15] <vinnl> kromar, you could browse around linuxappfinder.com
[18:16] <kromar> i am browsing it but thought someone might know a nice app:D
[18:16] <vinnl> Heh :P
[18:16] <zoredache> gqview is available and originally started as a clone of a early version of acdsee
[18:16] <kromar> hm how can i change the default browser so it doesent open firefox when i klick a link in the appfinder?
[18:17] <TheSheep> kromar: right-click, select properties, select the program to use
[18:17] <kromar> thx zoredache, will give it a try
[18:17] <vinnl> kromar, I believe in the Settings Manager it's "Preferred Applications"
[18:17] <vinnl> Yep, that's the one :)
[18:17] <TheSheep> vinnl: that's only for browser, mail and terminal
[18:17] <kromar> there is no "preffered Application" when right klicking on it:/
[18:18] <zoredache> kromar: there is also a odly named package that may work called 'pornview'
[18:18] <vinnl> TheSheep, he wanted browser :)
[18:18] <vinnl> !info pornview
[18:18] <vinnl> omg :P
[18:19] <TheSheep> a/me likes comix best
[18:19] <TheSheep> !info comix
[18:20] <nineteenfingers> zoredache - apparently XP was NOT cleanly shut down - tried shutting it down it once more before forcing and i've mounted it without trouble this time
[18:20] <nineteenfingers> thanks for that command suggestion though - i've made a note for future reference
[18:31] <kromar> why cant i paste a file in file:///usr/share/blender/scripts/ ?
[18:31] <vinnl> kromar, because you, as a normal user, don't have permission to write there
[18:32] <vinnl> I'm guessing you can also put the files in /home/kromar/.blender/scripts
[18:33] <kromar> well in /home/user is no blender folder...
[18:33] <vinnl> kromar, oh perhaps it's named diffently, let me do a quick Google search... What are you trying to do exactly?
[18:34] <kromar> im trying to get my blender theme and settings from windows to linux
[18:34] <vinnl> kromar, oh, nope, .blender/scripts is fine, you can create the folder yourself :)
[18:34] <kromar> in the /home/kromar/ fodler?
[18:35] <vinnl> If kromar is your username, then yes :)
[18:37] <vinnl> kromar, look what I happened to stumble across just now: http://tuxarena.blogspot.com/2009/04/8-image-viewers-for-ubuntu.html :)
[18:38] <kromar> ohh just clicked on show hidden files and there already is a .blender:D think that was the problem after all^
[18:38] <vinnl> Ah of course, I should've mentioned that, sorry
[18:42]  * wtv thinks xfce 4 is the best for slow-pced
[18:43]  * vinnl thinks fluxbox is probably better for the slowest ;-)
[18:44] <vinnl> Or IceWM, or blackbox, or E17, or...
[18:45]  * wtv has only been on gnome, kde and xfce
[18:45] <tavasti> fvwm!
[18:45] <vinnl> Or fvwm :P
[18:57] <kromar> hm i cant copy the scripts to the blender folder as its only a shortcut to /usr/share/blender where i dont have privileges:/
[18:57] <vinnl> Oh that's odd
[18:58] <vinnl> I guess you can copy them there if you first run "gksudo thunar" from a terminal, but don't make a habit out of that, and close it immediately after you're done
[18:58] <kromar> im gona ask in the blender channel, maybe someone knows how its done
[18:59] <vinnl> Yeah do that :)
[19:24] <nineteenfingers> right - a new poser for you... i'm running xubuntu 8.04.1 in "safe graphics mode"... i've mounted the NTFS partition successfully... I now need to copy a folder from the NTFS partition to a shared folder on an XP box over ethernet (i can di it via a router or maybe a direct cable between the two ethernet ports on the machines - not sure if i've got a crossover lying around though) - can anyone either help me with it or point me i
[19:24] <nineteenfingers> n the right direction for the info i need?
[19:27] <vinnl> No experience myself, but a point in the right direction would be "pyneighborhood" I guess...
[19:29] <nineteenfingers> i don't suppose pyneighborhood is something that i can use/de right off the standard live disk is it?
[19:29] <nineteenfingers> do*
[19:29] <vinnl> You can install it there
[19:29] <charlie-tca> can do sudo apt-get install pyneighborhood. It won't install to the hard drive, but to a tmp file
[19:31] <nineteenfingers> hmm - gonna need to link this box up to the network to do that... i wonder if the cable is long enough to reach the router without relocating everything... (not holding my breath)
[19:34] <bigzed> Does someone know how to change the keyboard layout for the whole system? I've changed the keyboard layout for xfce but gdm and dm-crypt are still configured for the old layout
[19:35] <J_Litewski2> what would cause xorg to completely use the swap?
[19:35] <zoredache> you might want to be careful if you do do that... Make sure that you will still be able to type your passwords for dm-crypt/gdm with the new layout before you change it (if you find the way)
[19:36] <zoredache> J_Litewski2: insufficent memory?
[19:36] <J_Litewski2> i got almost a Gig
[19:36] <bigzed> I'm sure that I'm still able to type the password when the configuration is changed but how can I change it?
[19:37] <J_Litewski2> anyways, thats what's been causing my startup troubles
[19:38] <J_Litewski2> xorg, when starting up xfdesktop4, will use up all avalible memory and swap
[19:38] <J_Litewski2> i seen it do it
[19:39] <J_Litewski2> brb
[19:51] <wahnfrieden> hi
[19:51] <wahnfrieden> how can I boot into just a terminal
[19:52] <wahnfrieden> without WM
[19:52] <zoredache> wahnfrieden: temporarily or permanently?
[19:52] <wahnfrieden> temporarily i suppose
[19:52] <wahnfrieden> i'm not sure i need xfce
[19:52] <wahnfrieden> but i might decide i want it back later
[19:53] <zoredache> temporarily you could just boot into single user mode.  To permantently stop simply disable gdm from starting at boot
[19:59] <J_Litewski2> is it safe to purge the xorg server and reinstall?
[20:01] <charlie-tca> As far as I know. Have you tried first simply deleting /etc/X11/Xorg.conf ?
[20:02] <J_Litewski2> i can't get that far into the boot to do that
[20:03] <J_Litewski2> after xfce4-panel loads, then my HDD light lights up and I'm stuck
[20:03] <charlie-tca> Boot into recovery mode, choose root from the menu, delete the file
[20:03] <J_Litewski2> ah
[20:03] <J_Litewski2> i'll try that
[20:03] <zoredache> J_Litewski2: you might want to consider disabling gdm instead...
[20:03] <charlie-tca> or try xfix from the same menu
[20:03] <zoredache> if xfce4 is loading, then it doesn't sound like xorg is broke
[20:04] <J_Litewski2> i did that already charlie
[20:04] <J_Litewski2> zoredache, the pane; loads, but nothing else does
[20:04] <zoredache> but you get to the login screen without problems?
[20:05] <charlie-tca> You aren't using autologin, are you?
[20:05] <J_Litewski2> i ran top while booting and saw that xorg was using 682m of swap and 652m of RAM
[20:05] <zoredache> anyway, I think would remove /etc/rc2.d/S30gdm
[20:05] <J_Litewski2> i am using autologin charlie
[20:06] <charlie-tca> Try logging in manually?
[20:06] <J_Litewski2> charlie-tca, how?
[20:06] <charlie-tca> When the gdm login screen comes up, start typing. The timer will stop and you can enter your user name and password
[20:07] <charlie-tca> You get 30 seconds to enter the information
[20:07] <J_Litewski2> gdm screen?
[20:07] <J_Litewski2> is that the boot screen?
[20:08] <charlie-tca> The screen where you login
[20:08] <J_Litewski2> i don't have that charile-tca
[20:08] <charlie-tca> zoredache is right, then. Probably gdm is messed up
[20:08] <J_Litewski2> it goes from the boot screen to the desktop
[20:09] <zoredache> how did you enable autologin?
[20:09] <J_Litewski2> in 7.10
[20:09] <J_Litewski2> not sure, that was a while ago
[20:10] <J_Litewski2> so, you want me to remove gdm?
[20:11] <zoredache> I still think that an easy thing to try is disabling gdm, letting it boot, and once it is started see if doing a 'startxfce4' from a terminal does the same thing
[20:11] <J_Litewski2> ok
[20:11] <J_Litewski2> so rm /etc/rc2.d/s30gdm would disable gdm?
[20:12] <zoredache> yes, you would need to prefice with sudo, if you aren't root
[20:13] <J_Litewski2> i'm in the recovery kernel atm
[20:13] <J_Litewski2> ok, i'll try that
[20:15] <J_Litewski2> brb
[20:19] <J_Litewski> alright, so far so good
[20:20] <J_Litewski> i'm logged into tty1 (irssi) and tty2 (top)
[20:21] <zoredache> so try running 'startxfce4' from another tty
[20:21] <J_Litewski> allright
[20:22] <J_Litewski> starting xfce4
[20:27] <CloseYetFar> if it still does not work, go to your home dir and find .config and rename it too .config1 then try to run startxfce4 again
[20:30] <charlie-tca> Did I see chew-it come in?
[20:30] <charlie-tca> nm
[20:31] <J_Litewski> i got a black screen with a mouse
[20:31] <J_Litewski> nothing else worked
[20:31] <wahnfrieden> anyone use xubuntu in virtualbox? I can't get the guest extensions to work, so I can click without the vm capturing the mouse
[20:32] <J_Litewski> so could gmd be broken? or xorg?
[20:34] <zoredache> just a thought, but try adding a new user 'sudo adduser blah' and logging in as that new user
[20:35] <J_Litewski> ok
[20:37] <charlie-tca> I use test xubuntu in VirtualBox daily. I haven't had a problem with guest extensions except in Jaunty
[20:37] <J_Litewski> hopefully this works
[20:38] <J_Litewski> it works
[20:38] <J_Litewski> i logged in under my test user and i got a working desktop
[20:38] <J_Litewski> so what does that mean?
[20:39] <zoredache> ok, that is a good sign, that means something is screwed up in your account
[20:39] <J_Litewski> thats good?
[20:39] <J_Litewski> doesn't sound good to me :/
[20:39] <J_Litewski> lol
[20:39] <CloseYetFar> did you do this
[20:39] <zoredache> 12:27:41 < CloseYetFar> if it still does not work, go to your home dir and find .config and rename it too .config1 then try to run startxfce4 again
[20:39] <CloseYetFar> yea that
[20:39] <CloseYetFar> and your .gdm if there is one
[20:39] <zoredache> it is good, because it means you can probably fix it with just a little trial and error
[20:40] <J_Litewski> ok
[20:40] <J_Litewski> so where do i start
[20:40] <CloseYetFar> or just copy them over from your working user
[20:40] <zoredache> on your normal account rename .config to something else  (mv .config .config_old)
[20:43] <J_Litewski> k
[20:44] <J_Litewski> where is this config file at? /home/username?
[20:44] <zoredache> under your home directory
[20:44] <J_Litewski> i don't see one
[20:45] <J_Litewski> i see a folder withmy username on it
[20:45] <zoredache> do a 'cd ~' and then do a 'ls -al'  it should be there
[20:45] <J_Litewski> ok
[20:45] <zoredache> the important bit is the -a for ls which makes it show files that start with a .
[20:52] <J_Litewski> for my broken account zoredache or my test account?
[20:52] <zoredache> sorry?
[20:53] <zoredache> you should rename the .config in your broken account.  That directory contains most of the xfce configuration
[20:53] <J_Litewski> ok
[20:53] <zoredache> since your test account worked, we shouldn't need to change that
[20:55] <J_Litewski> how would i filter results?
[20:55] <J_Litewski> i get 84 results from ls -al
[20:56] <zoredache> you could run it through a pager by doing something like 'ls -al | less'
[20:56] <J_Litewski> ok
[20:56] <zoredache> or you could filter for something by using grep 'ls -al | grep config'
[20:57] <J_Litewski> ok, i mv the .config file
[20:58] <J_Litewski> should i try and log in?
[20:58] <zoredache> after you have renamed that file try running 'startxfce4' as your normal account
[20:58] <J_Litewski> ok
[21:00] <J_Litewski> starting xfce4
[21:01] <J_Litewski> i'm getting a bunch of GTK-Warnings
[21:02] <J_Litewski> cannot open display 0:0
[21:03] <zoredache> you stopped the xfce session you had open under your test account right?
[21:03] <J_Litewski> yea
[21:03] <J_Litewski> i logged out, then logged out of the tty
[21:03] <zoredache> rm...
[21:04] <J_Litewski> does it matter that i have a bunch of tty's open
[21:04] <zoredache> it shouldn't, no
[21:04] <J_Litewski> hmm...
[21:04] <J_Litewski> brb
[21:11] <J_Litewski> back
[21:12] <J_Litewski> let me try again
[21:12] <J_Litewski> i'm, getting an error
[21:12] <zoredache> error?
[21:13] <J_Litewski> another window manager is already running
[21:13] <J_Litewski> then the GTK_Warning
[21:14] <J_Litewski> and top is full of xfdesktop
[21:14] <J_Litewski> i'm thinking something else is wrong
[21:15] <zoredache> do an 'alt-f7' an double check that you don't have an xorg running.
[21:16] <J_Litewski> well, my user is loading
[21:16] <J_Litewski> slowly
[21:17] <J_Litewski> there is a crud ton of xfdesktop's running
[21:17] <CloseYetFar> just restart the computer to clear it all out
[21:18] <J_Litewski> but they are always there
[21:18] <J_Litewski> have been since last week
[21:18] <zoredache> even after a restart?
[21:18] <J_Litewski> and they start up when i start
[21:18] <zoredache> so when you restarted, with gdm disabled, xfdesktop was still running?
[21:18] <J_Litewski> only in my hackhalotwo user, not my test user
[21:19] <J_Litewski> no
[21:20] <J_Litewski> but there is at least 200 processes of xfdesktop running
[21:21] <nineteenfingers> i've done "apt-get install pyneighborhood" in terminal on the xubuntu live disk, how do i now go about using pyneighborhood to connect to a windows share? i can't even find pyneighborhood on linux at the minute
[21:21] <zoredache> so restart to clear them out, don't try doing a startxfce4 until you are back
[21:21] <J_Litewski> ok
[21:22] <J_Litewski> im logging off the account
[21:22] <J_Litewski> i'm getting a bunch of fatal errors from xorg
[21:23] <J_Litewski> Fatal IO Error 11
[21:23] <zoredache> eh? I thought you said you didn't have any x running...
[21:23] <J_Litewski> i logged off the session
[21:24] <zoredache> just now, or a while ago?
[21:24] <J_Litewski> top shows no open xfdesktop
[21:24] <J_Litewski> just now
[21:25] <J_Litewski> also, xfwm opens a bunch of processes
[21:25] <zoredache> ok...  try a command like this 'chown username:username -R /home/username/' replace username with the username for your broken account
[21:25] <J_Litewski> what does chown do?
[21:26] <zoredache> changes ownership of the files
[21:26] <zoredache> it is possible that if you did something with sudo, it left files in your home directory owned as root
[21:30] <J_Litews1i> gha
[21:31] <J_Litews1i> it decided to lock the keyboard
[21:32] <J_Litews|> zoredache, what was the command i should use?
[21:32] <zoredache> this 'chown username:username -R /home/username/' replace username with the username for your broken account
[21:33] <J_Litews|> ok
[21:33] <J_Litews|> what will that do exactly?
[21:33] <zoredache> changes ownership of the files to your account
[21:33] <vinnl> (Very wise of you asking :)
[21:35] <J_Litews|> does this involve removing my account sometime in the future?
[21:35] <zoredache> the chown doesn't do anything with removing your account
[21:35] <vinnl> "chown" stands for "change ownership"
[21:35] <J_Litews|> i know, but i'm thinking thats the only way to fix my account atm
[21:37] <zoredache> if dont' care to much about figuring things out. you chould simply make a backup of your home directory, and delete/recreate your account
[21:37] <J_Litews|> well, the config change did allow me to load my account
[21:37] <loren> How do I get rid of a file that says permission denied
[21:38] <J_Litews|> now, it's figuring out why it want's to run uber amounts of the same process
[21:38] <vinnl> loren, which file?
[21:38] <zoredache> loren: make sure nothing is using it, delete from a cli wth sudo rm filename
[21:39] <J_Litews|> ok, changing ownership
[21:39] <loren> loren Computer Backup Files 2009-02-27_08.29.27.350650.loren-desktop.ful
[21:40] <loren> I'm using xubuntu how do I do it?
[21:41] <J_Litews|> is the chown a sudo command?
[21:41] <zoredache> yes, you'll need to put sudo in front of that, if you are having the problem I suspect
[21:41] <vinnl> loren, heh, you used sbackup? ^.^
[21:42] <loren> I think so?
[21:42] <J_Litews|> should i sudo it zoredache?
[21:42] <loren> I didn't like it
[21:42] <vinnl> Yeah and now it creates backups for you that take up space :)
[21:43] <vinnl> The command that zoredache mentioned should work. from a terminal: sudo rm <filename>
[21:43] <loren> not any more I deleted the program itself
[21:44] <loren> o-k I will try it I'm new to Irc chat thank you
[21:44] <J_Litews|> zoredache, vinnl, chown didn't solve it
[21:45] <J_Litews|> it's still opening a ton of the same processes
[21:59] <J_Litewski> zoredache, what do you think the problem is?
[22:08] <nineteenfingers> using the xubuntu 8.04.1 live disk, how can i search for files of a given type within a particular folder? GUI/file manager method preferred if possible
[22:12] <vinnl> nineteenfingers, is Catfish already installed?
[22:12] <nineteenfingers> vinnl - no
[22:13] <nineteenfingers> just the standard stuff on the live disk (apparently catfish isn't one of them)
[22:13] <vinnl> nineteenfingers, well, you could install that and use that :)
[22:13] <vinnl> (It became one of them with 8.10 :)
[22:14] <nineteenfingers> odd... appfinder didn't find it at all
[22:14] <vinnl> nineteenfingers, you mean Add/Remove...?
[22:14] <CombatWombat_nz> hi, at startup I get error message: notification area  "the tray manager lost selection"
[22:15] <CombatWombat_nz> what causes this? nothing on google bar translations
[22:17] <kromar> can i somehow force to install a version which is not in the add/remove application?
[22:17] <nineteenfingers> vinnl - nah - not used add/remove yet - looked to see if catfish was installed using Application>Accessories>Appfinder - I'll get it with AddRemove now - today is my first time in any *buntu - i usually use suse but this gutless box i'm trying to fix doesn't like something about the suse KDE live disk i have - i'm liking xubuntu btw, just a bit unfamiliar with it
[22:17] <vinnl> ^.^
[22:18] <vinnl> Well, Appfinder only searches installed applications and apparently in 8.04 Catfish wasn't installed yet
[22:18] <vinnl> kromar, if you have a .deb package :)
[22:18] <nineteenfingers> possible to do "sudo apt-get install catfish"? add/remove is making this live desktop crawl
[22:18] <nineteenfingers> or similar
[22:19] <vinnl> nineteenfingers, yeah that'd do
[22:19] <J_Litewski> that did it
[22:19] <vinnl> But since you said "GUI/file manager method preferred if possible" :)
[22:19] <kromar> vinnl: whats a .deb package?
[22:19] <J_Litewski> how do i get rid of a user?
[22:19] <vinnl> kromar, it's the files used by Xubuntu, Ubuntu and such to install applications... When you install something with, say, Add/Remove..., it downloads a .deb package and install that
[22:20] <vinnl> Kind of like .exe's for Windows, but different :)
[22:20] <kromar> vinnl: is it possible to do it with a tar.bz2?
[22:21] <vinnl> kromar, well, you could, but I really wouldn't do it
[22:21] <vinnl> kromar, which application/version are you looking for, exactly?
[22:21] <kromar> vinnl: blender 2.48a, with the add/remove it installs 2.46
[22:22] <vinnl> kromar, which version of Xubuntu are you using?
[22:22] <nineteenfingers> vinnl - got catfish and using it now - thanks for that
[22:22] <vinnl> nineteenfingers, yw :)
[22:23] <kromar> vinnl: release 8.10 kernel 2.6.27-11
[22:23] <vinnl> kromar, you can download a package for Ubuntu and Xubuntu here: http://www.getdeb.net/app/Blender :)
[22:24] <vinnl> And you'll want this one specifically: http://www.getdeb.net/release/3467
[22:24] <vinnl> (Unless you're using 64bit, which you'd know)
[22:24] <kromar> i need the intrepid version right?
[22:25] <vinnl> Yes
[22:28] <J_Litewski> i fixed it :)
[22:28] <vinnl> \o/
[22:29] <J_Litewski> apparently, xfce4.6.0 has a tiny bug that doesn't clear the sessions cache
[22:29] <vinnl> Report, report! ^.^
[22:29] <J_Litewski> it's already a bug
[22:29] <J_Litewski> thats where i found the fix
[22:29] <nineteenfingers> vinnl - quick question - using catfish how do i search for all files with a given extension? if it makes a difference i'm searching in a folder on an ntfs partition i've mounted to /mnt
[22:29] <CombatWombat_nz> J_Litewski: that's probably why I'm getting my error then
[22:29] <vinnl> J_Litewski, ah great :)
[22:30] <CombatWombat_nz> Launchpad bug number?
[22:30] <vinnl> nineteenfingers, make sure you select the right folder to search in, then as search term you can do *.<extension>
[22:30] <vinnl> nineteenfingers, also, you can select some common file types below the search field I believe
[22:31] <kromar> vinnl: if i downloaded the file i just execute it or is there a specific way to install it?
[22:31] <vinnl> kromar, just double-click it :)
[22:32] <kromar> vinnl: do i need to remove the old version first?
[22:32] <vinnl> kromar, no, it'll upgrade that
[22:32] <kromar> ok thx
[22:33] <vinnl> Well, I'm off to bed, good luck with everything :)
[22:36] <kromar> vinnl: do you know how i can create a desktop link to blender?
[22:37] <nineteenfingers> vinnl - in that case i've got an issue... i've done a bit of tweaking and it seems Catfish dislikes folder names that contain spaces... the drive i need to search is littered with spaces in folder names - any suggestions?
[22:39] <remu> Hey everyone, I am just trying out xubuntu, and everything is going well so far, except my media keys, play, pause, mute, volume up and down, don't seem to be working in xubuntu, they worked fine in gnome. Any ideas?
[22:39] <CrazyGir> what would I need to do to get ffs support in xubuntu?
[22:40] <CrazyGir> (ffs is BSD's filesystem)
[22:40] <ball> CrazyGir: I would just make an ext2 partition and copy your data from ffs to that on the BSD box
[22:40] <nineteenfingers> hey folks i've got an issue... i've done a bit of tweaking and it seems Catfish dislikes folder names that contain spaces... the NTFS drive i need to search is littered with spaces in folder names - any suggestions on how to resolve this?
[22:41] <CrazyGir> ball: openbsd is at home, ffd hd is here with me at work :)
[22:41] <TheSheep> nineteenfingers: use find
[22:42] <ball> CrazyGir: then you're doing it wrong
[22:42] <TheSheep> nineteenfingers: and report a bug on catfish
[22:45] <nineteenfingers> TheSheep - is it worth doing a bugrep considering i'm only using catfish from the Xubuntu live disk?
[22:47] <TheSheep> the bugs the author doesn't know about won't be fixed
[22:48] <HumbleWillis> I was wondering if someone might be able to help me fix a problem.  My FireFox keeps openingin FullScreen Mode.  How do I stop that?
[22:49] <nineteenfingers> TheSheep - I mean more along the lines of is getting it to work with a live disk likely to feature on their to-do list? i'll happily report it if it's something they'd likely want to know about
[22:49] <TheSheep> nineteenfingers: yes, it is important
[22:50] <charlie-tca> nineteenfingers: let me know the bug number, too, please. I'll verify it with an installed version
[22:50] <nineteenfingers> right - then I shall gather the info I can and bugrep away - any idea where the project's bugs are tracked? do they have their own website? (i only heard about the thing in here a few minutes ago :p)
[22:50] <nineteenfingers> charlie-tca - I will do
[22:50] <TheSheep> !bugs | nineteenfingers
[22:51] <TheSheep> we will let kalikiana know :)
[22:51] <nineteenfingers> ah ok - nice and simple
[22:52] <nineteenfingers> as it happens i crashed my live desktop... gonna have to set each bit up again to get the details for the bug report
[22:52] <rocko> why is it that some times xubuntu logouts out when you leave your computer on?
[22:52] <TheSheep> rocko: maybe your X crashes?
[22:53] <TheSheep> rocko: check the logs\
[22:53] <rocko> I see
[22:54] <TheSheep> the ~/.xsessionerrors file
[22:54] <TheSheep> probably
[22:57] <CrazyGir> ball hah!
[23:27] <nineteenfingers> charlie-tca - i've filed it as bug number 358060 - https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/358060
[23:27] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[23:27] <nineteenfingers> don't think i could have included a shred more detail without going into the colour of my tower and the brand of shirt i'm wearing - haha
[23:27] <charlie-tca> every little bit helps
[23:28] <nineteenfingers> couldn't find any similar bugs before posting it
[23:29] <charlie-tca> There are not very many filed on catfish
[23:29] <nineteenfingers> generally no need for them i suppose - seems like a pretty sturdy bit of software at first glance
[23:40] <nineteenfingers> is there a quick (and preferably easy) way to search for duplicate files within a folder on a mounted NTFS partition?
[23:40] <BigMoopies> is there an actually worthy XMMS replacement ?
[23:41] <BigMoopies> or is it possible to add winamp presets to a gui (client?) of xmms2