[00:14] Riddell: any futher improvements you want me to make on the installer? Or just basically do a few last runthroughs to make sure it is still on par with the gtk side? [00:24] hmm, ubiquity doesn't seem to run just now [00:24] shtylman: does it show only one disk at a time with the paritition bars? === freinhar1 is now known as freinhard [00:43] hey folks, trying to build something from source, need to find out what my kde installation directory is [00:53] is the raptor menu meant for the panel? or for desktop? [00:54] our packages are in /usr [01:00] Riddell: talking to me? [01:12] mm hmm === kurrele_away is now known as kurrele [01:48] can anyone help me out here... Im trying to apply this patch to a plasmoid [01:48] http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=98748 [03:21] la [03:22] apachelogger: what is the most recent amarok-nightly? i did all my updates and it says march 18 [03:26] Riddell: yep [03:32] shtylman: I don't suppose you managed tooltips on mouse over the map? [03:33] Riddell: unfortunately its not all the way yet (started it but then school got in the way) ... I will finish it this weekend, depending on how it goes though...my biggest concern is the cpu usage on low end machines... [03:34] Riddell: I might try point caching or something, cause otherwise every time...the location in lat/long has to be converted to screen coords [03:34] and that is done for every item in the list [03:34] cause they are unsorted [03:39] * seele pokes Riddell and reminds him about akademy submission information :P [03:43] oh you always do that late at night [03:45] seele: this is my usual stock photo http://jriddell.org/me4.jpg [03:46] seele: how long should the bio be? [03:58] seele: how's this? http://pastebin.com/m60dcb0f5 [03:59] * Riddell snoozes [08:46] hi [09:45] Riddell: the kickoff focus problem: kde svn rev 951367 ... looks like we either have to have missing focus for kickoff or have pop-ups shown above screensaver; do we have any preferences (i would vote focus as most important= [09:45] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=951367&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 951367 [10:50] a|wen: hmm, bummer [10:50] a|wen: the widgets over screensaver was a security issue though, that generally takes precedence [10:53] Riddell: hmm, good point ... upstream has ended up reverting it in any case [11:06] Riddell, just woke up, but will try live cd with mem=512 within the next hour [11:09] Riddell: I will work on a better fix for the security issue this afternoon [11:09] agateau: seems different window flags may be required for different popups? [11:10] Riddell: yes, but the popup has a passive mode, so the idea is to only set the Qt::tool flag in passive mode [11:10] Riddell: I discussed this with aaron on #plasma this morning [11:18] * a|wen hugs agateau [11:18] a|wen: better wait until the patch actually exists :) [11:19] agateau: you can have a second one then ... you know, i'm the constant optimist :) [11:19] :) [11:33] Riddell: late at night is reletive [11:33] argh.. more messages from nay myo [11:33] Riddell: that bio is quite long, i think it is longer than your abstract! ;) [11:34] it's because I'm such a cool person, hard to miss out anything [11:38] JontheEchidna: what's your backtrace on the scpk New Printer button? It works here [11:51] Riddell: widgets over screensaver does not work for me - at least notifications get through screensaver stilll [11:52] Lure: you can amuse yourself about, that what was supposed to fix it killed the kickoff focus [11:52] a|wen: I know [11:53] * Lure hates focus issue too ;-) [11:53] Riddell: but I use plasma on screensaver, so that may be the reason why I still get notifications through [11:53] agateau: ^^^ [12:47] http://paste.ubuntu.com/147602/ [12:47] Riddell: ^ [12:47] Clicked "New Local Printer" [12:48] I wonder whyever don't I get that [12:50] Lure: I just start to work on this [12:56] agateau: you might want to have a look at kde bug 188408 as well, especially comment #9 [12:56] KDE bug 188408 in general "Don't show OSD when screensaver is active" [Normal,Reopened] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=188408 [12:56] Riddell: do you know if mustapha is on irc? [12:56] mgraesslin: reading report === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak === santiago-pgsql is now known as santiago-ve [14:44] seele: he's mni when he is, not very often === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [14:45] Riddell: ok thanks === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [15:06] hi [15:06] Riddell: where have you seen about debian and kdesudo ? [15:07] Riddell: I can't see anything about upcoming upload === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ [15:08] Apr 08 Didier Raboud ( 28) rev 14320 - kde-extras/kdesudo/trunk/debian [15:08] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=14320&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 14320 | CVS_SILENT: trying to put things back... [15:08] Log: [15:08] kdesudo - Prepare for relase. [15:08] wrong svn ubottu [15:11] Riddell: great [15:11] Riddell: also there seem to be a fix for kickoff and the focus problem [15:11] Riddell: this is pretty anoying, shouldn't we consider an upload for that (I know the freeze started....) [15:12] Riddell: see http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=188655 [15:12] KDE bug 188655 in general "kickoff menu doesn't get keyboard focus when opened (4 2 2 regression)" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [15:13] Riddell: here the patch : http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/4.2/kdelibs/plasma/popupapplet.cpp?r1=951367&r2=951366&pathrev=951367&view=patch [15:15] Tonio_: agateau is looking to see if there's a better fix [15:15] Riddell: oki [15:15] so it'll be fixed before the release in any case, good :) [15:16] assuming I get it to work, not done yet :/ [15:16] agateau: :) [15:16] agateau: if you need an uploader, you can ping me [15:16] hi davidbarth [15:16] ok [15:16] agateau: talking about that, will you have to go threw the all core-dev process to get upload permissions ? [15:17] Tonio_: I have no idea [15:17] eventually most of my work should go upstream, not sure I will become a real packager [15:18] but one never knows [15:18] it reminds me of the time I had to ping Riddell 3 times a day with debdiffs for main :) that was frustrating... we didn't use bzr at all... [15:18] agateau: sure [15:23] Tonio_: hi [15:25] Riddell: I'm really frustrated we couldn't get k3b at time for jaunty [15:26] Riddell: once it gets released officially, do you think a SRU might be considered even if that's a massive change from the kde3 version ? [15:28] Tonio_: I don't think it'll get past as a SRU but backports should be fine [15:29] Riddell: that was my concern.... too much of a big change for SRU.... fair enough with backports then.. [15:30] Riddell: I'll promote my ppa a little bit on the planet then, for people that miss it ;) === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening [15:33] Tonio_: Then we start shipping OO.o with no KDE integration? [15:40] DaskreecH: hum, that's another story :) [15:40] DaskreecH: I'd like to sheep without OOo if that was possible... [15:41] DaskreecH: but I have no idea if koffice will be usable enough so that we can consider shipping with it one day.... [15:43] It won't [15:43] For right now. 2.0 and 2.1 I think can easily be compared with KDE 4.0 and 4.1 [15:44] Whereas we had fairly compelling reason to go with KDE 4.1 I think that those arguments will not hold for Koffice 2.1 [15:44] BTW there is a new Koffice Beta out isn't there? [15:48] Release candidate, yes [15:49] Sorry RC [15:49] When things calm down will that get packaged? [15:53] I think it's already been packaged [15:53] wot? Man You sleep for 5 hours and you miss everything [15:53] Tonio_: kdesudo lacks Messages.sh [15:56] DaskreecH: Yeah, Riddell updated it April 2nd [15:57] OK must have had my head in the sand [15:57] I hate not having a computer :( [16:06] Riddell: patch for kde bug #179924 http://pastebin.com/f6765929b [16:06] KDE bug 179924 in general "Notifications still show through when the screen is locked (black) - privacy issue" [Normal,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=179924 [16:23] afiestas: ooh [16:26] agateau: ooh [16:38] Riddell: is hitting "print screen" meant to take a screen shot? [16:42] davmor2: I don't think we have anything set up to do that [17:09] Anyone noticed that Yakuake crashes when setting height by drop down menu? [17:09] bug 358415 [17:09] Launchpad bug 358415 in yakuake "Yakuake crashes when changing height in the Yakuake menu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/358415 [17:16] Riddell: that would explain why it did nothing then :) [17:21] davmor2: normally works here to press print screen [17:21] a|wen: it doesn't on the livecd :( [17:22] hmm ... here ksnapshot comes up and says "hi" to me :) [17:23] here it doesn't :< [17:24] a|wen: I hit print screen 4 times gave up and clicked on the menu entry instead [17:25] maybe it's because my computer was upgraded from intrepifd [17:25] (no f there) [17:34] Riddell: umbrello email on kde-deevel [17:34] (in case you want to reply) [17:37] ooh [17:37] a volunteer [17:38] ;-) === blizzzek is now known as blizzz [17:45] JontheEchidna: check out bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/system-config-printer/kcm-scpk/ and see if it fixes your crash [17:46] checkout; sudo cp *py *ui /usr/share/kde4/apps/system-config-printer-kde/; kcmshell4 kcm-scpk [17:55] ooh, flash works :) [17:56] jjesse-mini9: how fast is konqueror starting on the mini? [18:00] apachelogger: on an eeePC (same processor) konqueror starts in 1-2 seconds or so ... around 4-5 times faster than firefox [18:00] hm [18:00] that is still tooooo slow [18:00] a|wen: how fast is arora? [18:01] apachelogger: it is on intrepid (and i386) though; so might be better in jaunty with lpia ... haven't testet arora [18:02] a|wen, jjesse-mini9: if you get a chance, I'd be interested how fast arora and konqueror (with preloading) start ... and if the latter noticable decreases startup time [18:07] Riddell: works [18:07] though now the button says "New network printer" rather than "new local printer" [18:09] and I can't figure out how to configure my printer, which is plugged in to one of those old, wide-ish printer ports [18:11] I don't think it's giving the wizard it used to use [18:14] JontheEchidna: you have a parralell printer? rofl! [18:15] Parallel! That's it [18:15] I think it's almost as old or possibly even older than me [18:15] but it still works great (LaserJet 4L) [18:16] Unlike today's printers, it had to actually go and physically break a gear before it stopped working [18:16] (we fixed it) [18:22] JontheEchidna: yeah, I had one of those previously [18:25] Wow, koffice2 is down to 3 bugs in LP [18:25] koffice \o/ [18:25] upstream is a bugfixing machine [18:25] kubuntu-netbook-remix _needs_ to ship with koffice [18:25] openoffice is just too big and too far off the usecase IMHO [18:30] koffice has one major thing that stops me from using it... and thats the lack of ms format support... [18:49] Is there any way we can keep opeoffice.org KDE3.5 integration? [18:50] I really, *really* don't want to get into maintaining openoffice.org as well [18:52] apachelogger: on intrepid i386: arora ~3s; konqueror ~3s; konqueror no preload ~4,5s; firefox ~5,5s [18:52] apachelogger: be aware that is on power save mode when [18:53] apachelogger: no dynamic mode ... when running on battery [18:54] kb9vqf: openoffice.org is still built against the old kde3.5 kdelibs ... it hasn't been ported to kde3 yet [18:54] s/kde3/kde4/2 [18:54] * kb9vqf breathes a large sigh of relief [18:55] kb9vqf: but don't know how the integration is ... the kdelibs it is built against is kind of limbing [18:56] a|wen: It seems to work fine for me...let me check again... [18:57] a|wen: Yeah, from what I can see it is working perfectly fine [18:58] kb9vqf: good for you ... bad for us getting rid of kde3 from the cd ;) [18:59] a|wen: So why not just not have that package on the CD? AFAIK the integration is a separate package, just built along with oo.org [19:00] * kb9vqf thinks he is missing something [19:00] kb9vqf: we have k3b kde3 version in any case so wouldn't give us any significant space [19:00] a|wen: that explains it. [19:00] kb9vqf: and in any case; the no integration option is just ugly IIRC from last i tried [19:01] a|wen: ugly is a huge understatement [19:01] a|wen: looks like Linux from 1995 [19:01] ;) [19:02] kb9vqf: then it hasn't changed, he ... i'm pretty sure it will be kept till a working+stable kde4 integration is ready [19:03] a|wen: OK, then I probably have 6 months or so to find a way to build the integration separately. Sounds good to me! [19:03] riddell: any news on the kde3.5 livecds yet? I'd kind of like to have them out for beta testing in a larger test pool than my vmware machines here ;) [19:05] kb9vqf: depends on how fast the kde4 development gets to the point where you switch :) [19:06] a|wen: Well, when I can make it look, act, configure, and smell like my heavily customized KDE3.5 install, then I'll switch [19:06] a|wen: I personally think that may be a long way off or never ;) [19:07] kb9vqf: mine starts coming very very close ... just looks better === ferai is now known as Guest66983 === Guest66983 is now known as jefferai === jefferai is now known as Guest33910 === Guest33910 is now known as jefferai === jefferai is now known as Guest39786 === Guest39786 is now known as jefferai === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [20:15] a|wen: limbo limbing? [20:16] a|wen: also, I guess konqueror with preload is the way to go for kubuntu-netbook then [20:16] especially once that webkit stuff is $usable or khtml is $uberfast [20:16] apachelogger: generally konqueror feels pretty snappy on it ... at least compared to firefox [20:17] actually, I would be interested how fast firefox is on ubuntu [20:17] * a|wen haven't tried ubuntu on it yet [20:18] Riddell: when can the next meeting be envisaged? we got a potential member [20:18] also ... since netbooks ship with SSD it might make sense to do random file touching in order to speed-up app starting [20:18] possibly with an init script, IIRC most of the boot time on SSD is spent in the CPU rather than reading the files, so we could do some kdelibs touching to speed-up kdm/login and sutff [20:20] apachelogger: it gets from grub to kdm in 35 seconds on battery [20:21] that is darn slow TBH [20:21] my inspiron boots in ~30 seconds [20:22] * a|wen goes to fetch a bootchart [20:24] 27.45 here ... with stuff like dkms, exim and icecc [20:25] how was it on intrepid? [20:25] no clue [20:26] hm [20:27] * apachelogger just came to think of ... would touching actually make sense on SSD ... there is no diskseeking anyway [20:27] Riddell: are you in release team and can comment if kipi-plugins bug fix upload would be ok? [20:28] Riddell: it fixes PicasaWeb for apachelogger ;-) [20:28] \o/ [20:28] apachelogger: as long as you read complete blocks there is no gain by moving around stuff [20:29] Riddell: one concern is that crash fix has new message (warning), which breaks freeze [20:29] we need to do profiling then :P [20:29] why does starting a web browser take 3 seconds? [20:29] IMHO the system should start that fast :P [20:29] +1 [20:31] apachelogger: http://awen.dk/temp/bootchart.tgz booting eeePC 901 (atom N270 1.6 ghz; 1 gb ram; reiserfs) with intrepid i386 [20:32] Riddell, apachelogger: proposed debdiff is in your mailbox [20:34] a|wen: yeah, the poor CPU is at fault [20:35] * Lure confirms that both Riddell and Hobbsee are on ubuntu-release team [20:35] a|wen: I am wondering if it is possible to create a static list of drivers to load and just run a new detection if the hardware changed [20:36] apachelogger: i've heard talking about doing stuff like that; don't know if there is any working framework for it though [20:37] need to poke foundations people I suppose [20:37] apachelogger: but in any case ... how much juice can you expect from a cpu using 5W peak [20:37] would make a lot of sense, if I read that chart correctly most of the CPU time is spent in dealing with hardware [20:38] a|wen: ah well, all the foundations fault anyway :P [20:39] hehe [20:39] JontheEchidna: I doubt parallel printers are implemented yet in s-c-p-k [20:39] It used to work just fine [20:40] kb9vqf: mm, you picked a bad week for CD testing, bug fixing in jaunty is distracting me more. I guess I could just put it on the website anyway, has anyone else tested them? [20:41] Lure: where is that error string? [20:41] blizzz: meetings tend to be when someone gets round to organising them :) set up a list of times on that site which lets us mark when we're free [20:42] riddell: That's quite understandable. No one else has tested them, although Daskreech had expressed some interest in doing so [20:43] Riddell: ok! i pass this to mcas, he organizes all of our meetings :) [20:44] riddell: They are only beta anyway, so maybe someone from the larger community will have more time to test if they are put up on the website now [20:45] Lure: ah :D ... that is actually worth thinking about ... is it more userfriendly to just do nothing or to output an error message in english [20:45] apachelogger: I could also do the - just silently ignore clicking Start Upload for now... [20:45] s/the/that [20:46] it may confuse user though [20:46] yeah ... not sure if that is better though [20:46] Lure: so may english error messages [20:48] Lure: actually ... I would think that the upload button is not enabled unless an album is selected [20:48] apachelogger: could be, but still confusing - we might want to auto select first album then [20:49] well, if no album has been created? [20:49] apachelogger: I am not sure I want to do such changes w/o maintainer review [20:49] big warning message above the album selector? [20:49] Lure: yeah, just thinking long-term [20:49] anyway [20:49] Lure: leave the messages in [20:50] long term I want to merge all import/export plugins to common base [20:50] * Lure now knows internals of 4 of them already [20:50] the no pics selected is confusing as hell without error message, so could be the english error [20:50] _but_ the error exposes a small fraction of users to at least find out what the problem is [20:50] apachelogger: picasa is confusing, as it does not show images, like other plugins [20:51] so in general the error is more useful as it exposes information to at least a fraction of users [20:51] Lure: picasa is weird in general ;-) [20:51] * kb9vqf thinks about putting a KDE3.5 under Jaunty wiki page up [20:51] Is there a specific path structure that is followed on the Kubuntu wiki? [20:51] claydoh: pling [20:52] kb9vqf: not really [20:52] just make sure you use Kubuntu/FooBar [20:52] apachelogger: so Kubuntu/JauntyKDE3.5 would work? [20:52] aye [20:52] though [20:53] kb9vqf: how about Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty [20:53] apachelogger: I lke that better :) [20:53] * apachelogger too :P [20:59] * Lure notices I did not sent right debdiff - needs quilt do to kde4.mk :-((( [20:59] * Lure really hates kde4.mk assuming quilt is the way to go... :-( [20:59] QUILT! [21:00] apachelogger: quit ;-) [21:00] * apachelogger needs to visit Riddell at some point and get himself a kilt [21:00] apachelogger: cdbs simple patch system is enough to drop a simple patch in [21:01] we don't do simple patches, do we? :P [21:02] * a|wen has started liking quilt a lot after actually using it [21:06] apachelogger: I believe the Sitter tartan is especially pretty [21:07] arrr :D [21:07] vorian: one still gets karma for l10n uploads [21:07] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+topcontributors [21:07] I am right there :P [21:09] Riddell: If you feel like putting the KDE3.5 CD images on the main page, here is a Wiki article to go along with them: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty [21:09] I wonder how I get karma for Translations in Rosetta [21:10] kb9vqf: got a screenshot? [21:10] Riddell: I can grab one.... [21:10] * kb9vqf starts booting the VM [21:11] Riddell: uploading them [21:12] kb9vqf: btw, canonical likes to read remix instead of respin AFAIK [21:13] Riddell: OK, fixed :) [21:13] oh, late it is [21:13] * apachelogger => going bedish [21:15] and here I am stuck with a pretty much entirely legit 200,000 :P [21:15] * JontheEchidna thinks he has 8k translation karma [21:17] ^_^ [21:18] kb9vqf: btw, I like where the KDE 3 stuff is heading [21:18] great work [21:18] but now really bed ;-) [21:18] apachelogger: Thanks! :) [21:19] hmm....how do I send an image over IRC? [21:20] kb9vqf: dcc file transfer. in konversation drop the file on the person you want to sent it to. the partner's client needs to support dcc, too. [21:20] you'd use DCC and prey no one has a firewall/router [21:20] kb9vqf: upload to ftp somewhere ... or use an imagebin [21:21] imagebin...that's what I'm looking for! [21:21] * kb9vqf only rembered pastebin [21:21] !imagebin [21:21] Want to show us a screenshot of your problem? Upload an image to http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add and link it from the channel. [21:22] Riddell: Here's a screenshot: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=kde3_5_jaunty_livecd.png [21:22] drag and drop to the pastebin plasmoid takes care of everything :) [21:22] Would it be OK to put a few screenshots in the Wiki page? [21:23] * kb9vqf remembers that he has to update the artwork before rc1 [21:23] kb9vqf: yes please do [21:23] OK :-) === rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3 [21:28] * kb9vqf has to run...will finish uploading screenshots later today === a|wen changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Beta out! | Final freeze in effect - Fix bugs! | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Vote for next Kubuntu meeting: http://www.doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=3p9baxnqea2unxgg | Congratulations to rgreening and a|wen - Kubuntu's newest MOTUs!!! [21:38] Riddell: do we have space to get kipi-plugins on CD? [21:39] nope, CDs are full up [21:39] oh, yes, we did not get rid of kde3... [21:39] plus kipi-plugins brings in libgtk... [21:40] JontheEchidna: really? [21:40] yeah, it uses libgpod instead of libgpod-nogtk [21:40] thought it may actually require libgpod if it's doing image transfers :( [21:40] s/thought/though [21:40] JontheEchidna: are these two replacable? [21:41] * Lure does not have ipod, so no clue? [21:41] almost, unless you need support for artwork transferral [21:41] which -nogtk can't do at the moment [21:41] * smarter waves [21:42] * a|wen waves to smarter [21:43] Lure: ouch, it most definitely requires the gtk version for the thing to work at all [21:44] (It needs GdkPixbuf) [21:44] JontheEchidna: :( === santiago-pgsql is now known as santiafgo-ve [21:45] maybe for karmic we could split the package up a bit? === santiafgo-ve is now known as santiago-ve [21:53] * smarter really thinks that KPackageKit needs to indicate the connection speed, just to be sure that something is actually going on === nookie^ is now known as Nookie^AFK [22:57] holy *shit*. I almost had a heart attack [22:57] I log on, and /home is entirely empty [22:57] hehe [22:57] luckily I remembered that /home was on a separate partition [22:57] you have home on a separate partition? [22:57] heh [22:58] yeah [22:58] yes [22:58] but that begs the question, why wasn't it mounted by default? [22:58] jussi01: you *don't*?! ;) [22:58] JontheEchidna: I dont know, but I have had that before [22:58] tsimpson: shush now [22:58] :P [22:59] * tsimpson needs to clean his $HOME [22:59] /dev/sda6 25G 23G 829M 97% /home [23:00] I (stupidly) though 25GB would be enough [23:00] heheh [23:00] 25G for home? no way... [23:00] I did a cleaning the other day. I decided my 80 GB windows HDD could be greatly reduced in size after some cleanup, then I moved all of my, ahem, videos over to the new partition [23:01] now windows takes up <30 GB on that drive [23:02] see, I have this policy, dont clean, things get lost... [23:02] :P [23:02] This was my first reboot after doing those partitioning changes. I wonder if that's related... [23:02] JontheEchidna: probably UUID changed [23:02] * kb9vqf finished adding some KDE3.5 screenshots to the Wiki [23:02] really? I didn't really touch sdb at all? [23:03] er, minus that last ? [23:03] hmm, well then it shouldn't [23:03] unless strangeness happened [23:03] how would I check, just to make sure? [23:03] * kb9vqf finished adding some KDE3.5 screenshots to the Wiki [23:03] run blkid [23:04] thx [23:04] Riddell: I think I'm ready to go live with the beta, if you agree... [23:05] That's weird, /etc/fstab is completely and utterly empty [23:05] kb9vqf: let me put something on the site [23:05] Riddell: Sounds good :) [23:05] well, that'd be a reason... [23:05] * JontheEchidna wonders how the heck that happened [23:05] I also now know the wisdom of backing up /etc [23:06] too bad I didn't :( [23:10] kb9vqf: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-jauntu-kde3-remix-beta [23:11] is there a reason thats misspelt? [23:12] Riddell: The content looks good, but the link is misspelled [23:12] doh [23:12] ;) [23:13] http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-jaunty-kde3-remix-beta [23:13] Riddell: Do we want to put a link on the beta info page as well, or just on the front page? [23:14] I'd keep it separate [23:14] OK