[00:00] <maco> recovery mode, you mean
[00:01] <bretcolin> timo yes
[00:10] <sofi1> Hello ...
[00:11] <sofi1> I am trying to get mouse reversal to work on Jaunty.
[00:11] <sofi1> For some reason my mouse reversal doesnt work on Jaunty. However it used to work perfectly on my hardy.
[00:11] <sofi1> Does any1 know about this bug yet?
[00:12] <sofi1> Is this is a known issue?
[00:12] <timo> grub worked
[00:12] <timo> but it wont boot into any thing, every thing freezes
[00:16] <Halow> sofil: Are you trying to switch the buttons, or...?
[00:36] <amon__> hi, why can't i install lame
[00:37] <brad_> is there a way to move my bar from the top to the left side and change the text so that it's going left to right and not up and down (after moving the bar to the left)?  I have a wide screen laptop and would like to take advantage of the extra width.
[00:38] <Halow> brad_: Font size and panel size adjustments will help with that. If there's enough room, it will display horizontally instead of vertically.
[00:39] <brad_> halow: i just changed the pixel width to 250 and the text is still going vertically
[00:40] <Halow> D: Let me see if I have the same problem.
[00:42] <Halow> brad_: Hm. I set mine to 100px and the clock displays horizontally.
[00:43] <brad_> yes, the clock does, but I'm trying to get the applications places and system to go that way too.. along with user name
[00:44] <Halow> Hm... Yeah, mine come out sideways, even at the apparent maximum size, 384px.
[00:45] <Halow> I tend to use the "main menu" instead of the "custom main menu" that can be added to the panel. It only shows a small logo until clicked on, so I hadn't noticed.
[00:46] <Halow> And since I'm only one user, the FUSA is a little useless for me.
[00:49] <lunie2ns-linux> Hello all..still new to this.. I was updating some files to fix another program but now my libqt4-dev is broken, i try to update it in Synaptic and it just gives me an error, any suggestions?
[00:52] <brad_> so I wonder if there is a theme or something in compiz that would allow it?  having 768 H for display you really want to take advantage of the real estate.  Is there a way to get it to look like linux mint?
[00:52] <lunie2ns-linux> Anyone, possibly?
[00:53] <Halow> brad_: Seems there's a bug about the window list behaving oddly in vertical, not for text. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/43066
[00:54] <brad_> oh, thanks.  so I should maybe make it emulate the start button style of linux mint (xp)?
[00:54] <brad_> at least then just would have one bar
[00:55] <BluesKaj> lunie2ns-linux, open synaptic again , choose edit , fix broken packages , then choose apply
[00:55] <Halow> brad_: If you look in Add to Panel, there's Main Menu, which just displays the Ubuntu logo until clicked.
[00:56] <lunie2ns-linux> BluesKaj: Goes in to preparign packages, then E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libqt4-webkit_4.5.0-0ubuntu4_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libQtWebKit.so.4', which is also in package webkit-qt
[00:58] <BluesKaj> lunie2ns-linux, install webkit-qt if listed , it may generate some other apps that are required , but that's to be expected
[01:00] <mxboy15u> can someone pm with me and tell me how to do something?
[01:00] <mxboy15u> i need to create a file in the etc folder
[01:01] <lunie2ns-linux> BluesKaj:  It was already installed, and then I tried to remove it so I could re-install, and got same error E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libqt4-webkit_4.5.0-0ubuntu4_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libQtWebKit.so.4', which is also in package webkit-qt
[01:02] <BluesKaj> lunie2ns-linux, what exactly are you trying to install ?
[01:02] <BluesKaj> which app
[01:04] <lunie2ns-linux> BluesKaj: earlier I was following a walk-through to add MP3 and OGG support to Sox for SMILE to run correctly ... never succeeded there... and now got a red box up top by the date, and this error and broken file
[01:07] <BluesKaj> uhoh  lunie2ns-linux , that's beyond my scope ..synching mp3 players in linux isn't my forte :P
[01:07] <brad_> Halow:  Thanks, this will work until they fix the side bar stuff.  I appreciate the help.
[01:07] <Halow> brad_: Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
[01:08] <BluesKaj> <--- audio snob, I don't even own an mp3 player .
[01:08] <brad_> you were plenty of help.  I'm getting to the point where I don't switch over to win7 at all.
[01:08] <lunie2ns-linux> its not syncing..SMILE is to make 3d slideshows...and it utilizes Sox, which needs to have mp3 and ogg support added so i can have music in the slideshows, i believe
[01:09] <BluesKaj> lunie2ns-linux, well it's till not my area of knowledge..sorry :(
[01:09] <BluesKaj> still
[01:10] <lunie2ns-linux> BluesKaj: ok well thanks, maybe someone else has some knowledge in the area :-)
[01:10] <BluesKaj> let's hope so ;)
[01:21] <oOarthurOo> Hi.. I've enabled the uxa accel method ... how do I confirm that I'm currently using it?
[01:22] <BluesKaj> glxgears ?
[01:22] <ShakaGoldSaint> oOarthurOo, just a shot in the dark, check the X log files :P
[01:22] <BluesKaj> or glxinfo in the terminal
[01:24] <_Whipper> oh, lucky me, i readthe topic :P
[01:24] <BluesKaj> oOarthurOo, try,  glxinfo | grep direct
[01:25] <ShakaGoldSaint> oOarthurOo, try: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep UXA
[01:26] <_Whipper> ubuntu was.. back then.. a stable and liabele, now more like win, "lets release it. and see what happens"...
[01:26] <jeiworth> anyone taken a look at koffice 2.0rc1 yet?
[01:28] <dyf> i don't use anything with k at the beginning of the name
[01:28] <jeiworth> hehe
[01:28] <oOarthurOo> Found it in the logs
[01:28] <oOarthurOo> (**) intel(0): Option "AccelMethod" "uxa"
[01:28] <oOarthurOo> thanks guys
[01:28] <ShakaGoldSaint> _Whipper, it's called LTS and call me crazy but I believe that's where the stable-long-release-cycle stuff is
[01:29] <ShakaGoldSaint> dyf, +1
[01:29] <_Whipper> ShakaGoldSaint: whatevr..
[01:29] <jeiworth> kde 4.2.2 rulez :P
[01:30] <ShakaGoldSaint> indeed
[01:30] <_Whipper> kde hasnt been worth a s**t since 3.5 ...
[01:30] <dyf> i heard kde 4.x is full of aids
[01:31] <jeiworth> well, then dont use it :P
[01:31] <_Whipper> dyf: u heard, i felt
[01:31] <Duckthis> Hey guys.
[01:32] <ShakaGoldSaint> Duckthis, sup butters
[01:32] <_Whipper> jeiworth: you bet. and soon the word is spread..
[01:32] <Duckthis> Nothing more
[01:34] <unko> sup guys
[01:35] <jeiworth> whazzaaaaaaaaaaaa unko
[01:35] <SwissChse> on x64 hdparm reports that my sda/sdb (soft raid) devs are using 16bit mode. is this normal?
[01:35] <unko> ha
[01:35] <unko> ok i have a question????? is jaunty stable enough to use yet as my default? im downloading it now and i wanna use it but i wanna make sure it's stable.... i mean it's coming out in like 14 days so it should be fine right
[01:35] <_Whipper> SwissChse: yes
[01:36] <dyf> unko: why do you wanna use jaunty?
[01:36] <SwissChse> ok, thanks
[01:36] <_Whipper> unko: no
[01:36] <unko> idk
[01:36] <unko> alot of people say its better
[01:37] <jeiworth> unko: it still has some glitches here and there which are wrokaroundable if you're not shy changing config files and using console
[01:37] <unko> hmm ok
[01:38] <_Whipper> unko: right now im looking at a pretty expensive pile of shit, partly becose of f*cked up OS, partly my stupidity to use it..
[01:38] <sebsebseb> !langauge |  _Whipper
[01:39] <_Whipper> s**t, sorry
[01:39] <sebsebseb> _Whipper: and again heh
[01:39] <unko> _Whipper, really? is jaunty that bad?
[01:40] <_Whipper> unko: yes
[01:40] <_Whipper> its not finnished, released too early
[01:40] <unko> _Whipper, alot of people said it the shit
[01:41] <_Whipper> !language
[01:41] <_Whipper> lol
[01:41] <unko> ha
[01:41] <cetanhota> 9.04 is still in beta, if your using it now you should be testing it, not using on a machine you count on for day to day use.
[01:42] <unko> oh....
[01:42] <_Whipper> cetanhota: tell it to my clients, who have read the news, its as stable as it gets :P
[01:42] <cetanhota> The release date is on the 23rd of this month.
[01:43] <_Whipper> "just a few klits".. yeah..
[01:43] <cetanhota> Tell you clients to go out and read what Beta means. They are patching every day. Anyone that wants a beta, better be aware of what they are getting into
[01:45] <_Whipper> cetanhota: are you really that stupid, that you think like MS? let the customers test it? cos i know ubuntu has "alot" of testers...
[01:45] <unko> ubutu > MS
[01:45] <unko> ubuntu*
[01:46] <jeiworth> geez _Whipper, take it to offtopic  :P
[01:46] <cetanhota> I did not say they should test it. And dont call me stupid. I said they should read what beta means.
[01:46] <cetanhota> The release date is the 23rd, if they are your clients then you should advice them to wait.
[01:46] <_Whipper> I asked you a questinon, cetanh:
[01:47] <cetanhota> Where did I say let the customer test it?
[01:47] <_Whipper> I didnt call you stupid, I asked, Are you?
[01:48] <cetanhota> I dont feel I need to answer that question. Have a good one, and good luck with your clients.
[01:48] <_Whipper> learning to read while im writing.. :)
[01:49] <unko> _Whipper, so what your said this is how it works..this diagram :: Ubuntu 8.10 > ubuntu 9.04
[01:49] <_Whipper> good luck with ever
[01:49] <unko> is that how it wokrs
[01:49] <_Whipper> unko: even 6.10 is better
[01:50] <unko> hahahahah
[01:50] <Veinor> I'm seeing occasonal black screen flickers on my HP Pavilion, with an nvidia graphics card.
[01:51] <unko> 9.04 is just another "problem" to fix....
[01:51] <_Whipper> Veinor: nothing to worry about, its suppose to do that, like 12 flat panels looked like they where melting :)
[01:52] <charlie-tca> _Whipper: not helpful at all
[01:52] <Veinor> _Whipper: what
[01:52] <charlie-tca> Veinor: ignore him please. He's giving bad advice
[01:52] <_Whipper> charlie-tca: and you are helping ?-)
[01:52] <charlie-tca> If it stops non-sense, yes
[01:53] <cetanhota> Veinor: https://launchpad.net/+search?field.text=Nvidia+Driver+bugs see if any of those bugs match what your seeing.
[01:53] <_Whipper> listening
[01:53] <Veinor> That's what I figured.
[01:53] <Veinor> cetanhota: It just started happening after an upgrade, though.
[01:53] <drmrhorse> i think they changed my ati driver with jaunty, is that possible?
[01:54] <cetanhota> Veinor: 9.04 is still in beta, they are fixing issues every day. It may be worth a look.
[01:54] <x4d> I'm getting frequent system freezes on jaunty, I think it might be related to samba as it's acting weird and the system seems to freeze when I try to mount a volume in another computer, anyone having similar problems ?
[01:55] <Veinor> hmm. I might try going back to the old nvidia drivers, see if that fixes it
[01:55] <x4d> nope... not samba... now it just froze as soon as I moved my mouse in vnc
[01:55] <charlie-tca> drmrhorse: yes, since the old drivers were not compatible with another update
[01:56] <XVampireX> Hi
[01:56] <Veinor> try the old 96
[01:56] <drmrhorse> the usual propriety driver thing didnt happen, does that mean that propriety alternatives may exist?
[01:56] <XVampireX> If anyone can help me explain how can I install ext4 over ext3 without deleting my ext3 partition content?
[01:57] <_Whipper> naah..
[01:57] <Veinor> XVampireX: As far as I know this isn't possible
[01:57] <XVampireX> so  I need to backup my stuff?
[01:57] <Veinor> yep, pretty much
[01:57] <Veinor> I dno't think ext4 would be worth it unless you really need something from it
[01:58] <_Whipper> Vampyre: why not use Resiser?
[01:58] <_Whipper> -s
[01:58] <XVampireX> Cause I want to see just how good is ext4, but anyhow I am installing it over my root partition then
[01:58] <NTFS> STOP LEAVING YOUR COMPUTERS ON 24/7 YOU ARE CREATING OVER 1000kg OF C02 EMISSIONS A YEAR.
[01:58] <Veinor> *insert murder joke*
[01:58] <XVampireX> by the way, kubuntu jaunty jackalope = ROCKS
[01:58] <Veinor> reiserfs is a real... KILLER fs choice! dohohohoho
[01:59] <XVampireX> even on live CD right now is just SO fast
[01:59] <NTFS> NTFS is the true filesystem
[01:59] <unko> XVampireX, how the hell do computer emit co2?
[01:59] <Jenova_skill> ANyone fimiliar with encodingvid files?
[01:59] <NTFS> umm think about it they use electricty
[01:59] <unko> NTFS, oh...
[01:59] <XVampireX> unko, 42 ?
[02:00] <charlie-tca> XVampireX: try this: http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto#Converting_an_ext3_filesystem_to_ext4
[02:00] <unko> well not all electricity comes from fossil fuels
[02:00] <Veinor> BReBoot.
[02:00] <unko> XVampireX, 42 ?
[02:00] <XVampireX> LAWL
[02:00] <XVampireX> Quassel is even showing me snippets from links
[02:00] <drmrhorse> how much CO2 does trolling create?
[02:00] <jeiworth> yeah, that is actually pretty neat
[02:01] <NTFS> id say 0*0 equals 0
[02:01] <NTFS> i dont troll so no c02 emissions
[02:01] <XVampireX> unko, 42 is the answer... look it up
[02:01] <NTFS> ext4 sucks
[02:01] <NTFS> fuckl
[02:01] <_Whipper> 42? two mice..?
[02:01] <jeiworth> eheheh
[02:02] <unko> XVampireX, uh...
[02:02] <XVampireX> Come on give me a break, you never read/saw "Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy" ?
[02:02] <unko> XVampireX, nope... haha
[02:02] <jeiworth> read it! the movie is rubbish
[02:02] <_Whipper> "good by and thanks for the fish" and stuff ?-)
[02:03] <_Whipper> and Adams has written Alot of other stuff too, good as it gets :)
[02:04] <jeiworth> yup
[02:04] <XVampireX> I actually didn't read it I just saw the movie I thought the part where the answer to everything was 42!
[02:04] <_Whipper> but.. still i thinkl Ed Bunker takes the lead.. :)
[02:05] <_Whipper> xwam: XXX
[02:05] <jeiworth> hmm was that the name of the holographic detective?
[02:06] <_Whipper> jeiworth: nope
[02:06] <_Whipper> Edward Bunker is another writer.. was..
[02:06] <XVampireX> So we've got the linux desktop, when do we get the linux audio workstation?
[02:07] <_Whipper> EB went to SntQuentin when he was 17 :)
[02:08] <_Whipper> >smoke
[02:09] <jeiworth> aaah the running man, habisch gelesen D:
[02:09] <jeiworth> :D
[02:09] <jeiworth> ops, wrong language :P running man i've read
[02:11] <drmrhorse> i found a driver package that says it supports my ati radeon X1350 video card in jaunty, but it was not installed. should i give it a go? and if so, do i need to reboot to test it?
[02:11] <jeiworth> ah exactly, the book was by stephen king
[02:11] <drmrhorse> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/i386/xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd/1.2.4-2
[02:12] <jeiworth> well, since you¿re betatesting anyway, i say go for it ;)
[02:12] <drmrhorse> weee. i guess i should do the dbg package too
[02:13]  * drmrhorse tries to break his computer
[02:13] <XVampireX> be right back :D
[02:13] <drmrhorse> and should i reboot?
[02:13] <Halow> You'll likely need to restart X at the least.
[02:13] <jeiworth> afaik yes, at least log off and restart the xserver
[02:14] <drmrhorse> cool, bbl
[02:16]  * drmrhorse still has a display
[02:17] <jeiworth> drmrhorse: so, how is it?
[02:17] <brad_> the bit torrent client that ships with jaunty has problems with resuming after hibernating... is there one that others recommend?
[02:18] <drmrhorse> looks the same, going to try out a game and see if my problem is fixed
[02:19] <hil> i use deluge
[02:19] <drmrhorse> bah, problem not fixed. oh well
[02:19] <amon__> i use azureus
[02:20] <hil> but dont use hiberna5tion, so i cant give info on that ;)
[02:20] <drmrhorse> i got a whole bunch of this: [driAllocateTexture:635] unable to allocate texture
[02:20] <brad_> i've used azureus on the windows side... it's nice but a resource hog.
[02:21] <_Whipper> EB was not fiction by Stphn.King, mighty as he is.. :)
[02:22] <macvr> hi all... my PrtSc key which usually activates screenshot isnt working? even though i have selected it in the keyboard shortcuts!!! am i missing something?
[02:22] <_Whipper> He was in the hmm.. "resrvoir of the.." as i recall correctly..
[02:23] <macvr> brad_: vuze4[azureus] works fine in ubuntu... no hogging
[02:24] <drmrhorse> i noticed ktorrent wasnt working so well, but that may be my setup with gnome and kde apps
[02:25] <drmrhorse> also amarok wasnt working
[02:26] <amon__> why is lame still not installable
[02:26] <eseven73> anyone have issues with getting USB devices to work in SUN's Vbox? They show up if I right click on the usb icon but they're greyed out and say NO USB Devices Attached, I have them all set up in the options too
[02:28] <Halow> amon__: I had no problems installing it. What error were you getting?
[02:29] <drmrhorse> amarok fixed. had to install xine-ffmpeg
[02:29] <amon__> E: Package lame has no installation candidate
[02:30] <Halow> amon__: It's in multiverse. Have that enabled?
[02:32] <amon__> just fixed it thanks Halow
[02:32] <Halow> amon__: Welcome!
[02:37] <nandemonai> Anyone had any luck with a work around for bug 357949?
[02:37] <nandemonai> Ooo fixed eh?
[02:38] <macvr>  hi all... my PrtSc key which usually activates screenshot isnt working? even though i have selected it in the keyboard shortcuts!!! am i missing something? does it work for anyone else?
[02:38] <nandemonai> Working here.
[02:39] <macvr> nandemonai: why isnt it working for me? am i missing something?
[02:40] <nandemonai> Not sure, mine worked off the bat. I did have problems with other shortcuts but updates seem to have fixed that.
[02:40] <macvr> nandemonai: k...
[02:46] <macvr> i just realized that if i change the window manager to metacity rather than compiz it works!!! but not with compiz??? how do i solve this?
[02:46] <eseven73> for anyone that was wondering, I had to make myself in same group as vboxusers to use the usb devices on Sun's VBox :D
[02:46] <brad_> I will ask in case anyone knows (I've went through synaptics and can't find what I'm looking for)  I have about 150 accounts telnet/ssh on different devices that I have to change my  passwords every 60-90 days and was wondering if there was an app that could assist me with this?
[02:47] <nandemonai> macvr: Conflicting shortcut in compiz?
[02:48] <macvr> nandemonai: yeah
[02:48] <macvr> nandemonai: oops nooo..
[02:48] <macvr> nandemonai: i dont use that shortcut for anything else!
[02:49] <nandemonai> Not sure then sorry.
[02:50] <macvr> nandemonai: k... np
[02:53] <macvr> nandemonai: ok... figured it out... they have a new compiz option gnome compatibility, had to enable it... :) now works :)
[02:56] <nandemonai> Ah nice one.
[03:12] <timoguin> I can't get jockey to activate the nvidia driver. This is the error in jockey.log: 2009-04-08 21:07:51,406 WARNING: modinfo for module nvidia failed: modinfo: could not find module nvidia
[03:20] <coz_> timoguin,  did you just install the nvidia driver?
[03:22] <timoguin> coz_: I tried to install it manually and edit xorg.conf with nvidia-xconfig, but x fails to start with a "nvidia module not found" error.
[03:22] <coz_> timoguin,  ok hold on
[03:22] <timoguin> I also tried installing it via jockey, which gives the afore mentioned error.
[03:23] <coz_> timoguin,  what procedure did you use to install manually?
[03:24] <timoguin> coz_: I tried installing nvidia-glx-180 with apt.
[03:24] <coz_> timoguin,  ah ok you mean through the hardware dirvers
[03:24] <coz_> timoguin,  did you reboot the system
[03:25] <timoguin> I also uninstalled all the old drivers with synaptic.
[03:25] <timoguin> coz_: Yes, x fails to start after installation, saying it can't find the nvidia module.
[03:25] <coz_> o0
[03:26] <coz_> timoguin,  ok go back into system/administration hardware drivers  to see if the nvidia driver is activated
[03:26] <timoguin> coz_: It's not. That's the problem.
[03:26] <timoguin> I activate it using jockey, and it doesn't actually activate it.
[03:26] <timoguin> And the only evidence of any error is in jockey.log.
[03:26] <coz_> mm
[03:27] <timoguin> "Could not find module nvidia"
[03:27] <coz_> timoguin,  and if you activate it under hardware drivers it does nothing?
[03:27] <timoguin> coz_: Jockey == hardware drivers
[03:27] <coz_> sorry right
[03:27] <sanzky> hello. Does anyone knows howto get brasero tu burn mp3s to an audio cd? What packages do I need?
[03:28] <coz_> lame maybe?
[03:28] <crdlb> sanzky: ubuntu-restricted-extras should be enough
[03:28] <sanzky> thanks crdlb
[03:31] <coz_> timoguin,  I am not sure then
[03:32] <Turl> hi
[03:32] <Turl> pidgin is crashing when connecting to GTalk
[03:33] <nandemonai> Turl: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/357949
[03:33] <nandemonai> Says fixed but still crashing for me.
[03:33] <Turl> nandemonai: same here
[03:34] <Turl> nandemonai: changed it to "confirmed", hope it's fixed soon
[03:35] <nandemonai> Yeah likewise.
[03:48] <Joker_-_> My computer (Q6600 4gb - running mythbuntu Jaunty) crashed twice today. I'd like to know if anyone else has suffered from simillar problems?
[03:48] <Joker_-_> It never crashed before... Could it be somehow related to updates?
[03:48] <Joker_-_> I update all the time, bout twice a day.
[03:49] <Joker_-_> it's updating as we speek...
[03:49] <timoguin> Joker_-_: Running jaunty?
[03:49] <Joker_-_> well, beta or whatever state it is by now
[03:50] <jtholmes> not a good idea for your prime machine
[03:51] <Joker_-_> thats not my prime machine
[03:51] <jtholmes> good
[03:51] <Joker_-_> but my prime machine is also on jaunty ;) My desktop that is ;)
[03:51] <jtholmes> not good, yet
[03:52] <Joker_-_> my servers are on hardy or something liek that
[03:52] <Joker_-_> an old one... way too old I think. I'mma make the switch to 9.10 when it's stable
[03:52] <jtholmes> you can expect problems with jaunty we are not even to a RC yet
[03:52] <Joker_-_> anyway, no idea about that crashes?
[03:52] <jtholmes> did you look on launchpad and search
[03:52] <Joker_-_> I understand, but it's been pretty stable
[03:53] <Joker_-_> thats the first time it crashes, and it did twice the same day so I'm suspicious
[03:53] <Joker_-_> no, I prefer talking to people and see if anyone is having the same problem as we speak before searching on forums and the like ;)
[03:53] <Joker_-_> call me old school but I like people :)
[03:54] <jtholmes> dont fault that at all, however not everyone has a g6600 so a cursory search on launch pad might show some info
[03:55] <Joker_-_> usually, if the problem affects a relase, lost of people would be here whining bout that and I'd know what its all about
[03:55] <timoguin> Joker_-_: Well, I installed jaunty last night. I can't get the nvidia drivers to work, but it's not crashing or anything.
[03:55] <Joker_-_> yeah, I'll check it out... Someone pointed me that Drivers could be a problem (nvidia in my case - I downgraded yesterday for tests)
[03:55] <Joker_-_> and maybe memory
[03:56] <Joker_-_> someone told me, has or hans or something liek that, someone here told me that maybe nvidia 173 had overscan feature enabled
[03:56] <jtholmes> i have see some problems with nvidia drivers
[03:56] <Joker_-_> well, dont downgrade just yet: it doesnt
[03:57] <Joker_-_> jtholmes: I've been running 2 boxes with nvidia drivers and havent had much problems with em
[03:57] <Joker_-_> jtholmes: you can have some problems with driver installers and config, but the driver itself looks fine to em
[03:57] <jtholmes> Joker_-_, look on #ubuntu-bugs channel also
[03:57] <Joker_-_> me
[03:57] <Joker_-_> jtholmes: try the 180, or the lastests from nvidia
[03:58] <Joker_-_> I personally use the lastests, but that might not be the recommanded route
[03:58] <Joker_-_> I switched back to 173 yesterday but will re-install the lastests as soon as I understand what's happening
[03:58] <jtholmes> i am running stock nvidia drivers that come with the daily-live iso's and have had zero video problems
[03:59] <Joker_-_> thats nv driver, the generic opensource driver
[03:59] <Joker_-_> it'll run fine but you might miss some fancy features
[03:59] <jtholmes> dont run those
[03:59] <Joker_-_> say, tv-out functions, 3d accel, etc.
[04:00] <jtholmes> i am involved with testing kubuntu and ubuntu daily-live iso's so dont have time to mix things up
[04:00] <timoguin> Joker_-_: The 180 driver is working fine for you on jaunty?
[04:00] <Joker_-_> timoguin: IIRC it was, but I was using the lastest from nvidia website for the past few weeks
[04:00] <jtholmes> i dont have jaunty up at the moment so i cant tell you what one is loading
[04:01] <Joker_-_> timoguin: 173 might not be the source of my problem btw. Untill I have proof of that, 172 is fine by me.
[04:01] <Joker_-_> *173
[04:02] <Joker_-_> could be some myth-tv related bugs aswell...
[04:02] <Joker_-_> I had problems with opengl in myth-tv yesterday, thats why I fooled with the drivers.
[04:02] <timoguin> Joker_-_: My issue is that when I install the nvidia driver, everything appears to work fine, except the module doesn't actually get install.
[04:03] <timoguin> I've tried 180 and 173. Working my way down.
[04:03] <Joker_-_> timoguin: I personally uninstalled every drivers from ubuntu installed automagically and installed the lastests from nvidia with their installer
[04:03] <Joker_-_> wich ran flawlessly
[04:04] <timoguin> I'll try that if I don't get this working within the next few minutes.
[04:04] <Joker_-_> timoguin: I can tell it's defenitly not the route ubuntu guys would recommand tho
[04:04] <Joker_-_> timoguin: if it doesnt, be on the safe side and remove the nvidia driver before doing anything else, just in case...
[04:05] <Joker_-_> "nvidia-uninstall" or something like that
[04:05] <timoguin> Joker_-_: Will do.
[04:06] <DanaG> Nice changelog for networkmanager-dbgsym:
[04:06] <Veinor> Woohoo, got the screen flicker to stop.
[04:06] <DanaG>   * debian/init: Set sane level for 'Speaker' and 'Headphone', too. Needed for Dell Mini 9 and Dell E series.
[04:06] <DanaG> ... wtf?  Shows changelog from a completely different package, if you scroll too fast.
[04:07] <Veinor> Haha, did you copy-paste the wrong thing?
[04:07] <Veinor> I mean, everybody knows sound functionality is being integrated to networkmanager-dbgsym. It's only logical.
[04:08] <Joker_-_> Veinor: Have you eard about Xorg integrating vbox?
[04:08] <Veinor> Nope.
[04:09] <coz_> any problems with the current big update today?
[04:09] <Joker_-_> coz_: 2 crashes so far?
[04:09] <coz_> oooo
[04:10] <Joker_-_> coz_: could be related or not.
[04:10] <coz_> Joker_-_  system crashes?
[04:10] <Joker_-_> coz_: yeah, total locks
[04:10] <coz_> oh yikes
[04:11] <Joker_-_> coz_: on a pretty decent system, that never crashed before
[04:11] <DanaG> Veinor: nope, try selecting the updates list, and then scrolling with keyboard.
[04:11] <DanaG> It'll get stuck showing the wrong changelogs.
[04:11] <coz_> Joker_-_,  ok
[04:11] <Joker_-_> coz_: might be nvidia driver, ram, or well, "something"
[04:11] <coz_> guys has anyone had the same issue I am having.. every three or 4 times I try to update withing sysanptic I get   E: The package cache file is corrupted
[04:11] <coz_> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[04:12] <coz_> I always have to remove those files and restart synaptic
[04:12] <Joker_-_> coz_: dunno bout the gui thing but in console it works fine for me here.
[04:13] <Joker_-_> coz_: I update bout twice a day
[04:14] <coz_> Joker_-_,  same here and via terminal it works fine but via synatpic I get corrup pkgcache.bin and srcpkgcache.bin
[04:15] <Joker_-_> ah...
[04:15] <Joker_-_> bump
[04:29] <doog> hey #u+1 - can someone help me please?
[04:29] <doog> i installed u8.10 yesterday (Wubi) & updated to 9.04
[04:30] <doog> today I couldn't boot into ubuntu at all - but eventually realised that if I picked the previous kernel from the grub menu, I can
[04:30] <doog> but when I do, the network doesn't come up
[04:30] <doog> I'm using a dhcp wired connection, so it should be quite straightforward to get working, but I can't work it out
[04:31] <Duckthis> Hi
[04:31] <doog> hi
[04:31] <Duckthis> Can I reduce my Ubuntu partition to install another distrobution?
[04:32] <doog> yeah - something like gparted or qtparted can do it
[04:32] <Duckthis> Yeah ok
[04:32] <Duckthis> Thanks
[04:32] <doog> you don't want to be resizing the partition you booted from though - so boot from a live cd and run *parted from there
[04:32] <AK_Dave> yes, but not while the partition is mounted
[04:33] <frybye> doog - did you get all updates for the 8.10 before doing the    update-manager -d to get 9.04?? (and - why didn't you just install 9.04 directly?)
[04:33] <doog> *note: my advice is a year old - i've not run linux for ages
[04:33] <Duckthis> Yeah actually already knew that
[04:33] <doog> frybye: I did
[04:33] <doog> frybye: 274 or so of them i think
[04:33] <doog> frybye: i tried, but wubi wouldn't work.  someone later told me that wubi won't install betas
[04:33] <Duckthis> I've run linux... a week more or less
[04:33] <AK_Dave> depending on what FS the partition is formatted with you may not even need to play with gparted. ext2/3 partitions have tools that allow them to be played with on-the-fly
[04:33] <Duckthis> Lol
[04:34] <coz_> Duckthis,  multiple boots is really something you should plan before the first install  just my opinion
[04:34] <frybye> i c.. downloading/burning the iso and doing a real install is the way to go - anyhows...
[04:34] <AK_Dave> only my netbook doesn't have multiple bootables, and the netbook is capable of it because I planned ahead with a seperate /boot partition
[04:34] <Duckthis> I wanted to try openSolaris and reinstall Windows XP as a "gaming platform".
[04:34] <doog> frybye: it's not my pc, i didn't have time to back up all the data and foolishly thought wubi would be 'safe'
[04:34] <doog> turns out it's trashed some part of the ntfs filesystem
[04:35] <frybye> doog: gottcha - perhaps someone else can help with the network probs.  I was just a little curious...
[04:35] <doog> frybye: you're the only one awake :)
[04:35] <AK_Dave> its possible for wubi and ntfs to bicker, but it usually requires performing some "unusual" shutdowns along the way. unusual = hard reboots
[04:36] <doog> \it worked fine up until i noticed that some random windows files were corrupted
[04:36] <Duckthis> Well thanks for your opinion guys! Have to go. Take care of Ubuntu!
[04:36]  * AK_Dave is not a fan of wubi
[04:36] <frybye> not really .. would help if I could but not that knowledgable.. did the jaunty find the network card...
[04:36] <doog> my accounts.xml (pidgin account file) contains 65536 apparently random characters followed by the rest of the (XML) data it originally contained
[04:36] <doog> seems like the ntfs driver has been randomly overwriting stuff with junk
[04:37] <doog> jaunty was working fine with the network card, yes
[04:37] <doog> and so was 8.10
[04:37] <frybye> doog you might have to check a point with "use system settings" or similar in the networkmanager...
[04:37] <doog> i did have to edit /etc/network/interfaces by hand - i couldn't figure out what the magic incantation for the network manager applet was to get it to write what i wanted in that file
[04:38] <doog> i now have 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' and 'auto eth0' in there
[04:38] <doog> (along with the pre-existing 2 lines for 'lo')
[04:38] <frybye> like I say pal - I am basically a bit too much newbie myself in this area...
[04:39] <doog> when i run 'sudo ifup eth0' i see: 'execve (/sbin/dhclient-script. ...): Permission denied
[04:39] <doog> which is weird - /sbin/dhclient-script has 755 perms
[04:39] <frybye> u in gnome - perhaps you need gksudo ...?
[04:40] <doog> it's much the same - the distinction is only for X stuff, which none of this is
[04:40] <frybye> doog - you are much more knowledgable than me - hang in there a bit and there will be a few more european gurus crawling out of the feathers within an hour or two I guess...
[04:41] <doog> i just tried the gksudo version, and got the same message
[04:41] <frybye> was just a thought...
[04:41] <doog> sure - appreciated
[04:41] <doog> (enough to try it :) )
[04:43] <frybye> doog talke to AK_Dave about this stuff - perhaps he has some suggestions...
[04:43] <Ienorand> frybye: Might take awhile... in the uk it's 4am :)
[04:44] <doog> AK_Dave: did you see any of that?
[04:44] <frybye> lenorand - I am in Germany and the time is only slightly more civilised.. ;=)
[04:45] <doog> i'm in  prague, and the time here is exactly as civilised as in germany :)
[04:45] <frybye> lenorand 4.44h in uk - anyhows.. comes back to the same situation...
[04:45] <doog> ie. not at all
[04:46] <frybye> well I am outa here for a bit - hope you get sorted soon... bye
[04:46]  * AK_Dave doesn't use pidgin or yahoo!
[04:49] <danbhfive_jaunty> anyone know how to make the restricted driver icon show up?
[04:50] <AK_Dave> its in System > Administration
[04:50] <doog> ¨AK_Dave: trying to get my networking working again - i found that using a static ip address works
[04:50] <doog> dhcp doesn't
[04:50] <Exposure101> has anyone had any authentication problems when upgrading from 8.10 to 9.04b
[04:50] <doog> so the network card is detected fine, and works - but dhcp is failing for some reason
[04:51] <danbhfive_jaunty> AK_Dave: no, Im looking for the notification icon
[04:52] <doog> Exposure101: none here - i ran 'update-manager -d' or some such, and it all went swimmingly
[04:52] <Exposure101> i upgraded from 8.10 to 9.04b and I did have it set to autologin and now it is saying "Authentication Failed" on the login screen and it keeps popping up and I can't do anything
[04:52] <doog> (for a day or so - then fell apart)
[04:52] <danbhfive_jaunty> nvm, I got it!
[04:52] <Exposure101> I sshed into it and reset my password and reinstalled gnome
[04:52] <Exposure101> still nothing
[04:53] <doog> i didn't use autologin
[04:53] <doog> my 8.10 password still works with 9.04
[04:53] <Exposure101> on this desktop im on the autologin worked fine
[04:53] <Exposure101> my other desktop didnt
[04:54] <Exposure101> its very strange they almost have the exact same setup just different hardware
[04:54] <doog> anything in the auth.log?
[04:54] <Exposure101> this desktop is much slower though, so it is kind of a bummer that my fast desktop is a brick
[04:54] <Exposure101> yeah "Authentication Failed" over and over
[04:54] <Exposure101> haha
[04:55] <Exposure101> im rebooting it right now and its doing "Routine disk checks" oh the fun
[04:55] <doog> i'm sure you can set it not to use auto-login
[04:55] <Exposure101> yeah
[04:55] <Exposure101> i just don't know where to do that
[04:55] <doog> maybe in the gdm.conf?
[04:55] <doog> i don't know either
[04:55] <evilaim_> Howdy all.
[04:55] <doog> hey
[04:55] <Exposure101> hey
[04:56] <Exposure101> yeah when it boots back up ill check
[04:56] <Exposure101> this kinda sucks though
[04:57] <Exposure101> found it
[04:58] <evilaim_> I'm bored
[04:58] <evilaim_> been bitchin' at the #ubuntu on efnet
[04:59] <evilaim_> very ignorant admins over there:)
[05:00] <doog> is reinstalling the latest kernel likely to fix anything?
[05:00] <evilaim> Umm, what?
[05:00] <evilaim> Depends if the issues like with a corrupt kernel.
[05:01] <doog> huh?  "fetched 35.6MB in 11s (3172kB/s)" - really?  in windows I get 300kB/s max
[05:01] <evilaim> but usually no
[05:01] <hil> and if dont reinstall the same kernel, maybe... ;)
[05:01] <doog> I can't boot the newest 9.04 kernel (2.6.28) but 2.6.27 boots fine
[05:01] <doog> is 2.6.27 from ubuntu 8.10?  or is it from 9.04?
[05:01] <evilaim> haha
[05:02] <evilaim> umm, could it possibly your Grub setup is incorrect?
[05:02] <doog> i've not touched it
[05:02] <evilaim> are you sure that you have that set to the right hdd?
[05:02] <evilaim> I would look into that before you start reinstalling kernels and all that.
[05:03] <doog> when i try to boot it, i see 'error 13: invalid or unsupported executable format'
[05:03] <evilaim> you see, that's a grub erro..
[05:03] <evilaim> error*
[05:03] <doog> right after '/disks/root.disk ro BOOTFLAGS=synclo quiet slash'
[05:03] <a1fa> whoot
[05:03] <doog> i'm using wubi
[05:04] <a1fa> what is the netbook remix package called?
[05:04] <AK_Dave> ubuntu-netbook-remix
[05:04] <evilaim> lol
[05:04] <a1fa> I have one of the original netbooks :) dell latitude ls P3 500Mhz
[05:04] <AK_Dave> its a tough one to remember
[05:04] <a1fa> :)
[05:04] <evilaim> alfa... for future refrence: apt-cache search netbook
[05:04] <a1fa> hi dave
[05:05] <evilaim> and change netbook to what package you want to find...
[05:05] <evilaim> usually more useful;)
[05:05] <a1fa> evilaim: sure
[05:05] <evilaim> doog: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1104822
[05:05] <AK_Dave> a1fa: what netbook?
[05:05] <evilaim> looks to be about the same issue you're having
[05:05] <a1fa> AK_Dave: Dell Latitude LS
[05:06] <doog> i just checked the grub menu.lst and the lines for 2.6.27 and 2.6.28 are pretty much identical
[05:06] <doog> (other than one has 8's where the other has 7's)
[05:06] <evilaim> doog, paste it to: www.pastebin.com
[05:06] <evilaim> then paste me the link please.
[05:06] <dtchen> anyone using an HP Mini on jaunty?
[05:06]  * AK_Dave does
[05:07] <dtchen> AK_Dave: which model? what stuff is broken?
[05:07]  * AK_Dave uses mini-9 w/ jaunty
[05:07] <dtchen> err, that's a Dell, though, not an HP
[05:07] <evilaim> anyone else using 9.04 64bit with ext4?
[05:07] <AK_Dave> nothing broken, but aircraft-manager is unavailable
[05:07] <evilaim> it's... interesting.
[05:07] <AK_Dave> see www.ubuntumini.com and join the google group
[05:07] <dtchen> i bought an HP Mini tonight to fix some audio issues
[05:07]  * AK_Dave uses jaunty-64 w/ ext4 on his big laptop
[05:08] <evilaim> ak, you get any freezing?
[05:08]  * AK_Dave uses jaunty-386 w/ ext4 & encrypted /home on his mini9
[05:08] <AK_Dave> no freezing. Under what conditions should I look for freezing?
[05:08] <Exposure101> how is ext4?
[05:08] <Exposure101> any faster?
[05:09] <evilaim> I had audacious and did sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:09] <evilaim> Exposure101: it's 30% faster
[05:09] <evilaim> you can find big info online about it
[05:09] <Exposure101> really? maybe i should switch
[05:09] <Exposure101> is it worth the effort?
[05:09] <Exposure101> haha
[05:09] <evilaim> Well, I'm just beta testing it
[05:09] <Exposure101> o ok
[05:09] <AK_Dave> don't know if it is jaunty, the kernel, or ext4, but my Gateway laptop boots in the time my Mini-9 used to boot (20sec grub-to-GDM) and my Mini9 boots in 2/3 the time it used to boot.
[05:09] <evilaim> I got it on my amd 64x2 box
[05:09] <doog> evilaim: paste the menu.lst?
[05:10] <Exposure101> i can't even log into jaunty this sux
[05:10] <evilaim> doog, yes please
[05:10] <evilaim> ak, I'm the same
[05:10] <evilaim> I have about a 20s boot time
[05:10] <evilaim> I used to have about 40s
[05:10] <Exposure101> holly crap
[05:10] <Exposure101> mines about 40
[05:10] <Exposure101> i don't mind to much
[05:10] <Exposure101> its a server
[05:10] <Exposure101> so i can't complain
[05:11] <evilaim> ya, I get full gui login in about 25-30s fully ready to use
[05:11] <evilaim> loaded with AWN...
[05:11] <evilaim> full compiz and all
[05:11] <dooglus> evilaim: http://pastebin.com/m12f82e8e
[05:11] <evilaim> tx
[05:11] <Exposure101> damn
[05:11] <dooglus> (for it is me, on the broken machine)
[05:11] <Exposure101> how do i reinstall GDM from ssh
[05:11] <Exposure101> sudo apt-get ? gdm
[05:12]  * AK_Dave thinks that sometimes the easiest way to reinstall a package of an unknown name is to use Synaptic's GUI
[05:12] <Exposure101> yeah...im not able to use a GUI right now
[05:12] <Exposure101> and it sux
[05:13] <DanaG> AK_Dave: check out aptitude.
[05:13] <evilaim> Not sure, I think it might be your root
[05:13] <evilaim> they're the same...
[05:13] <DanaG> Run it with no parameters -- it gives a nifty text ui.
[05:13] <evilaim> usually those are different.
[05:13] <Exposure101> whats the apt-get command to completely remove something
[05:14] <Exposure101> sudo apt-get remove is just the regular remove right?
[05:14] <evilaim> purge
[05:14] <Exposure101> sweet thanks
[05:14] <doog> i've reinstalled the kernel packages, and am rebooting
[05:14] <AK_Dave> yes, aptitude offers all the functionality of synaptic
[05:14] <evilaim> sudo -purge remove package
[05:14] <evilaim> gar
[05:14] <evilaim> sudo apt-get -purge remove package
[05:14] <DanaG> sudo aptitude purge
[05:14] <doog> --purge isn't it?
[05:15] <doog> (two -'s)
[05:15] <DanaG> no redundant --purge remove
[05:15] <Exposure101> yea sudo aptitude purge gdm worked
[05:15] <doog> well, whadaya know - reinstalling the kernel fixed it!
[05:15] <evilaim> really?
[05:15] <doog> I think the ntfs driver went screwy and failed a bunch of writes last time
[05:15] <doog> it's damaged all manner of stuff
[05:16] <evilaim> I would never have thought it
[05:16] <doog> i'm using wubi, so all writes go via the ntfs-3g driver
[05:16] <Exposure101> yea thats pretty obscure
[05:16] <Exposure101> ah
[05:16] <evilaim> Well, good beans
[05:16] <Exposure101> i think i might have fixed my problem
[05:16] <Exposure101> just reinstall gdm and gnome 3 times
[05:16] <Exposure101> haha
[05:16] <doog> it's left me with a really bad feeling though
[05:16] <doog> i can't trust wubi any more
[05:17] <evilaim> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[05:17] <evilaim> :)
[05:17] <doog> maybe it's a one-off freak occurrance
[05:17] <doog> or maybe it'll keep trashing my files one by one
[05:17] <DanaG> odd... I did sudo aptitude --download-only..... and it went right on and said "forget that..." and just started installing.
[05:17] <doog> any idea how good it is?
[05:17] <evilaim> How good what is?
[05:17] <doog> sudo aptitude --download-only --ignore-me-do-what-you-think-is-best ...
[05:17] <doog> how good is the ntfs driver these days, for writing to ntfs
[05:18] <evilaim> it's great
[05:18] <evilaim> works really good
[05:18] <evilaim> I've never had issues.
[05:18] <doog> here's what happened to me:
[05:18] <doog> I installed pidgin in windows
[05:18] <doog> i have a czech laptop, with czech windows.  i don't speak czech
[05:18] <evilaim> *blank stare*
[05:19] <Exposure101> ...
[05:19] <doog> pidgin, when i set my status to 'away', was setting my status message to something ugly in czech
[05:19] <AK_Dave> ...
[05:19] <a1fa> doog: where u from?
[05:19] <doog> england
[05:19]  * AK_Dave laughs
[05:19] <a1fa> how is Czech land?
[05:19] <a1fa> chicks gorgeus as always?
[05:19] <evilaim> Why don't you just install the english settings for windows?
[05:19] <doog> so i edited the accounts.xml file, and removed all the czech <message>...</message> lines to stop it doing that
[05:19] <AK_Dave> "something ugly in Czech"
[05:19] <Exposure101> yeah really, how did u get a czech version and why did you install it...why didn't you change the language
[05:19] <evilaim> isn't it in the control panel under language?
[05:19] <doog> I edited it in emacs, so it created a backup in accounts.xml~
[05:19] <a1fa> doog
[05:19] <doog> that file is pretty big - 66k or so - and all plain text (xml actually)
[05:20] <doog> yo
[05:20] <doog> fantastic
[05:20] <a1fa> just install crapbuntu ontop of windows
[05:20] <a1fa> you be good to go
[05:20] <AK_Dave> hindsight: should have installed ubuntu to a usb stick and used that instead of wubi
[05:21] <evilaim> ever heard of vmware?
[05:21] <evilaim> :)
[05:21] <evilaim> Skip the middle man, and just virtualize your life!
[05:23] <bretcolin> virtualbox works better
[05:23] <evilaim> lol
[05:23] <evilaim> only cause it's free...
[05:23] <bretcolin> totally
[05:23] <evilaim> if VMware was free you'd be all over it like... something... thats... over vmware...
[05:23] <evilaim> *shrugs*
[05:24] <bretcolin> it is free if you download it from rapidshare
[05:24] <evilaim> *disregards that comment*
[05:24] <a1fa> lol
[05:24] <bretcolin> or something like that
[05:24] <a1fa> 9.04 will run lilo?
[05:24]  * AK_Dave loves vbox
[05:24] <a1fa> wtf
[05:25] <evilaim> lilo?
[05:25] <bretcolin> cool
[05:25] <evilaim> eeeeeew
[05:25] <a1fa> eww is right
[05:25] <a1fa> :)
[05:25] <a1fa> it said lilo is being installed
[05:25] <bretcolin> eww who
[05:25] <bretcolin> oh
[05:25] <a1fa> update-manager -d
[05:25] <evilaim> I'm good
[05:25] <evilaim> haha
[05:27] <evilaim> I've done my apt-get upgrade for the day
[05:27] <evilaim> haha
[05:41] <Mulder> i have discovered an ext4 bug. but i have no idea what technical conditions trigger it
[05:41] <evilaim> Mulder, error?
[05:41] <a1fa> wow
[05:41] <a1fa> update-manager fail
[05:41] <a1fa> two different laptops
[05:41] <a1fa> it downloads all files
[05:42] <a1fa> then it dies
[05:42] <a1fa> i had to rerun update-manager for it to finally install
[05:42] <Mulder> 27gb home partition for /home, ext4.  about 1.6gb in my home dir. i unpacked linux kernel source in my home dir, and compiled modules. [using apt-get source linux-image-something...].  then when i go to rm -rf ~/linux-2.6.28 it crashes during the deletion
[05:43] <Mulder> reproducable every time now
[05:43] <Mulder> booted up ubuntu in recovery mode, and during the hang the terminal reports that it has detected a softcrash cause cpu has been locked up for 61 seconds
[05:43] <Mulder> and continues to report thta every once in a while til i reboot
[05:44] <Mulder> so now i have a directory i cant delete heh
[05:44] <a1fa> boot into linux single
[05:44] <a1fa> and try from there
[05:44] <Mulder> isnt that what the recovery mode is?
[05:45] <a1fa> hm
[05:45] <a1fa> ya
[05:45] <a1fa> try
[05:45] <a1fa> mv to /dev/null
[05:45] <Mulder> uh
[05:45] <Mulder> that's not how files work? :P
[05:45] <a1fa> ?
[05:47] <Mulder> that's like replacing the special character file /dev/null with what you intend to move
[05:47] <Mulder> by the same account i may as well just mv it to a regular file
[05:48] <DanaG> how about 'touch /forcefsck' ?
[05:48] <DanaG> then reboot to ... force... fsck.
[05:49] <Mulder> my last reboot triggered a routine fsck check
[05:49] <Mulder> it didnt report any errors that i could see
[05:53] <Tefad> 9.04 beta: display rotation on my laptop left me with a blank screen. rebooted, get gdm, selected gnome failsafe session (or whatever the name is) still get blank screen after sign on
[05:53] <charles1> does somebody have the ubuntu 904 with compiz? cause i have both and i cannot use compiz features
[05:54] <Tefad> charles1: it was working on my decrepit laptop until i tried rotating the screen
[05:54] <Tefad> radeon mobility 7500 for the.. win?
[05:55]  * crdlb looks up
[05:56] <crdlb> Tefad: remove ~/.gnome2/monitors.xml
[05:56] <DanaG> alt-f2, xrandr -o 0
[05:56] <DanaG> letter o, number zero.
[05:57] <Tefad> i guess i need to reboot again
[05:57] <charles1> Tefad i cant have any feature, do u want a printsreen of my compiz?
[05:57] <bjsnider> mobility 7500. that's a really old chip
[05:57] <Tefad> bjsnider: i said decrepit
[05:57] <crdlb> hey!
[05:57]  * crdlb loves his M7
[05:57] <DanaG> 0 is "normal"
[05:57] <Tefad> what's the key sequence for logging off in gnome
[05:57] <Mulder> oh
[05:57] <Mulder> someone's already filed a bug report
[05:57] <Tefad> i can hit the power button to get the menu, but i'm blind
[05:58] <Mulder> Soft lockups (freezes) when deleting files from ext4 partitions on 2.6.28
[05:58] <Mulder> that's me!
[05:58] <Mulder> yay. glad i dont have to file anything
[05:58] <Tefad> Mulder: uh oh. my rootfs is ext4
[05:58] <Tefad> i created and deleted a 1G file upon installation..
[05:59] <Tefad> why doesn't failsafe mode ignore monitor config
[05:59] <doktoreas> hello folks
[06:00] <doktoreas> a really great work this new ubuntu
[06:00] <evilaim> *YAWN*
[06:00] <evilaim> Thanks, I did it all myself...
[06:00]  * evilaim runs away*
[06:00] <evilaim> shit I'm bored.
[06:01] <Mulder> Tefad, it only affects file deletion. i imagine you dont need to do that often on you rootfs
[06:01] <bjsnider> evilaim, what's this other ubuntu channel you were in?
[06:01] <evilaim> the one on efnet
[06:01] <charles1> does somebody have the ubuntu 904 with compiz? cause i have both and i cannot use compiz features
[06:01] <evilaim> ops there are highly ignorant.
[06:01] <evilaim> every question ends with a "google it"
[06:02] <bjsnider> why is there one on efnet
[06:02] <evilaim> then they treat users like crap
[06:02] <evilaim> *shrugs*
[06:02] <evilaim> It doesn't do much good to be honest.
[06:02] <Tefad> Mulder: who wouldn't delete files on their rootfs?
[06:03] <Mulder> Tefad, the only thing i can think of requiring significant writes are the logs and most of those would be append or move or create operations no?
[06:03] <Tefad> what about my home directory?
[06:03] <Mulder> i suppose if you didnt have a separate /tmp you might do a lot of deletes
[06:03] <Mulder> oh
[06:03] <Tefad> i have only boot and root
[06:03] <Mulder> ok then
[06:03] <Tefad> so far so good
[06:04] <Mulder> in that case... i'd be a little nervous
[06:04] <Mulder> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/330824 is the bug report in question if you're curious
[06:05] <evilaim> Well, I'm gunna get going on my date.
[06:05] <evilaim> I might be back, but prolly not;)
[06:05] <evilaim> have a good night all
[06:05] <Tefad> crdlb: that file does not exist
[06:05] <Tefad> any other ideas?
[06:08] <Veinor> Is there a way to close a notification quickly?
[06:08] <Veinor> Like, in case I'm done reading it and want it to disappear or to move on to the next notification?
[06:09] <Halow> They're not interactive. Unless you count the "hovering to fade" interaction.
[06:10] <Veinor> Mkay. Also, are pidgin notifications supposed to be non-merging?
[06:10] <Halow> Non-merging?
[06:10] <Veinor> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD#merging says that notify OSD should have the ability to merge notifications.
[06:11] <Halow> If you have the same buddy with the same alias signing on to two protocols, yes, they merge.
[06:11] <DanaG> Oh, try notify-osd when skipping tracks in quodlibet.
[06:12] <Halow> Other than that, I really don't see how they would merge.
[06:12] <Veinor> Halow: If one person sends you repeated messages.
[06:12] <Halow> Of the same exact text?
[06:12] <Veinor> No no no.
[06:12] <Veinor> Like, I have one buddy who hits enter after every fifth word.
[06:13] <Tefad> crdlb: i think it's ~/.config/monitors.xml
[06:13] <Halow> Veinor: Nope. One notification per send.
[06:13] <crdlb> Tefad: oops
[06:13] <Veinor> There's apparently suppoesd to be a spec for merging those notifications though even if they're not sent at the same time.
[06:13] <Halow> It's obnoxious. I have a few of those buddies. =/
[06:13] <Tefad> blind leading the blind?
[06:14] <Tefad> now, how do i go about disabling rotation/reflection et al
[06:14] <Halow> Veinor: It says that, but I've never seen it ACTUALLY merge them.
[06:14] <Veinor> Right. Maybe that's just a feature to be implemented.
[06:15] <Veinor> either that, or pidgin isn't saying that the notifications are mergeable. Either way, there's a bug/feature request here.
[06:39] <opticalmouse> hi
[06:39] <opticalmouse> i'm currently using jaunty
[06:41] <Chr|s> opticalmouse» cool, me too
[06:41] <Chr|s> opticalmouse» what do you need help with?
[06:41] <prohna> well i upgraded to jaunty and lost sound, the error i get with aplay -l is aplay: device_list:217: no soundcards found..., everything worked fine with ibex
[06:42] <Chr|s> prohna» after you upgraded to jaunty, did you go to System > Administration > Update Manger and check for updates?
[06:42] <prohna> yea ive been doing updates every night since then
[06:42] <prohna> been about 4 days or so
[06:42] <Chr|s> hmm
[06:43] <Im_Toast> I wouldn't know if my sound works or not =P no speakers =D
[06:43] <prohna> :)
[06:43] <Chr|s> I think your best bet is go to #alsa they probably could help you better than I can, unless someone else in here can help
[06:43] <prohna> alright
[06:43] <Im_Toast> Not me lolz, sorry
[06:43] <prohna> thx for the advice
[06:44] <Im_Toast> I use 8.10... I just like reading people helping =P
[06:44] <Im_Toast> I learn a lot doing it lol
[06:44] <Chr|s> Im_Toast» same :)
[06:44] <Im_Toast> I started with Linux 3 days ago lol
[06:45] <Chr|s> Im_Toast» stick with it, it may be bumpy for the first week or 2, but you will learn and grow with it
[06:45] <Chr|s> ubuntu is very promising
[06:45] <Im_Toast> Right now I've got both Gnome and Kde on so I can play with them and decide which I like better
[06:46] <Im_Toast> I don't really see much difference between ubuntu, mint, fedora etc.
[06:46] <prohna> oh yea just wait till something breaks
[06:46] <Chr|s> Im_Toast» good thing to do, I like gnome better :)
[06:46] <prohna> and yer FORCED to learn
[06:46] <prohna> thats the besst
[06:46] <Im_Toast> lol
[06:46] <Im_Toast> I had a problem with something the first day where my screen was just fuzzy whenever I logged in
[06:47] <Im_Toast> the only way I could log in is with failsafe terminal
[06:47] <Im_Toast> And then I was just trying to diagnose the problem... and one time I rebooted and it worked o.O
[06:48] <Chr|s> Trial and Error :)
[06:48] <Im_Toast> And I had this wierd problem that my Synaptic didn't have several programs that people were saying I needed to install
[06:49] <Im_Toast> then with the updates I guess it was yesterday... they randomly appeared
[06:49] <Im_Toast> But I had to manually download compiz-switch and adobe-flashplugin lol
[06:51] <Im_Toast> woah
[06:51] <Im_Toast> I just found an awesome shortcut
[06:51] <Im_Toast> in the alt-f2 run dialog
[06:51] <dooglus> if I use gqview and click 'edit in ... the gimp', nothing happens, other than the console shows 'sh: gimp-remote: not found'
[06:52] <Im_Toast> if you press down arrow, it automatically pulls up gnome-terminal
[06:52] <dooglus> Im_Toast: how so?  if I press the down arrow it just moves the focus down - doesn't select or do anything else
[06:53] <Im_Toast> Really?
[06:53] <dooglus> so I press alt-f2, type 'ls' or something, hit the down arrow - then?
[06:54] <Im_Toast> I just pressed alt-f2 and pressed down and it filled in "Gnome-terminal"
[06:55] <dooglus> Im_Toast: I think the box you type the command into keeps a history of things you've typed
[06:55] <dooglus> the down arrow is scrolling through the history
[06:55] <macvr> Copyright(c) 2006 USMLE WORLD, Please do not save, print, cut, copy or paste anything while USMLE WORLD is running. Thanks!!
[06:55] <dooglus> I never use alt-f2, so my history is empty, and so down does nothing
[06:55] <Im_Toast> up pulled up synaptic
[06:55] <macvr> crap
[06:55] <Im_Toast> maybe it's just in 8.10 lol... I'm in here just to see what people are saying
[06:55] <dooglus> Im_Toast: these are things you've run from alt-F2 before, right?
[06:56] <Im_Toast> Only gnome-terminal
[06:56] <Im_Toast> never done synaptic
[06:56] <macvr>  hi all... is there a way to play/pause streaming divX videos? the totem firefox plugin once paused doesnt load the video and doesnt have a position seaker...
[06:56] <Im_Toast> ifk
[06:56] <Im_Toast> idk
[06:59] <dooglus> macvr: I like mplayer-nogui
[06:59] <dooglus> macvr: what's an example of a divx stream I can try it on?
[07:00] <macvr> dooglus:http://missedashow.net/ try this site for any show...
[07:01] <dooglus> oh, you need a browser plugin?
[07:03] <dooglus> macvr: try "sudo apt-get install mozilla-mplayer" maybe?
[07:03] <macvr> dooglus: does it play for u?
[07:04] <dooglus> macvr: i only just installed the plugin - restart Fx now
[07:04] <macvr> dooglus: k...
[07:06] <dooglus> it still used the totem player, so I'm "sudo apt-get remove totem-mozilla" and restarting again
[07:07] <macvr> dooglus:  i'v installed vlc plugin too, but firefox seems to use only the totem plugin... tried disabling the plugin to use the vlc plugin but then the video wouldnt load!!!
[07:08] <dooglus> it's not loading for me either with the mplayer plugin
[07:09] <dooglus> oh, seems i picked a bad episode
[07:09] <dooglus> http://missedashow.net/media/2330/South_Park_Season_13_Episode_3/ is playing ok with mplayer plugin
[07:09] <macvr> dooglus: are u able to pause?
[07:10] <dooglus> i can pause and resume, yes
[07:10] <dooglus> it's not a great interface in the plugin
[07:10] <dooglus> but it does work
[07:10] <macvr> dooglus: k.. still downloading the plugin, my connection seems a bit slow... will get back after install
[07:11] <dooglus> i"m getting 10 times faster downloads in ubuntu than in windows
[07:11] <gwhip> do i 'need' a swap partition or is there a way to have a swap file, not partition
[07:11] <dooglus> 3000kB/s compared to 300kB/s in windows
[07:12] <dooglus> you don't need either if you have enough RAM not to run out - but you can use a swap file instead of a partition if you want to
[07:12] <macvr> dooglus: mine is 30!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so stop bragging ;P
[07:12] <gwhip> how do i setup a swap file - i'd like to use the hibernate function
[07:14] <dooglus> make a file of the size you want - using dd is typically how (dd if=/dev/zero of=swapfile count=1000 bs=1M) then use swapon to use it
[07:14] <dooglus> that dd command is rough, from memory - check the man page for detaisl
[07:14] <dooglus> that spelling of detaisl is also rough
[07:15] <gwhip> dooglus: thanks, i'll use that instead of partition
[07:18] <macvr> dooglus: wooohooooooo ... works... this thing was bugging me for so long...stupid totem! thanx man
[07:23] <dooglus> gwhip: i'm not sure if you need to add an entry to /etc/fstab to enable the swap file at boot time - I guess so
[07:24] <gwhip> i checked fstab i'ts not in there, what's the entry?
[07:24] <dooglus> I have:
[07:24] <dooglus> /host/ubuntu/disks/swap.disk none            swap    loop,sw         0       0
[07:24] <dooglus> I guess you want the same, but replace the first field with the full path to the swap file
[07:25] <gwhip> hold on i'm checking it
[07:26] <dooglus> gwhip: "sudo swapoff -a" to disable all swap files
[07:27] <dooglus> gwhip: "swapon -s" to list currently active swap files
[07:27] <dooglus> gwhip: "sudo swapon -a" to enable all swap files listed in the /etc/fstab
[07:27] <dooglus> that will let you test your fstab without rebooting
[07:27] <gwhip> swapon -s shows nothing so far but i haven't added it to fstab yet
[07:27] <macvr> another video problem... ever since i'v upgraded to 9.04 video in vlc player plays in a separate window? but in the settings i have it set to overlay video output, and to embed video... whats wrong?
[07:28] <gwhip> is "/dev/zero" the path to the swap file
[07:28] <dooglus> gwhip: /dev/zero is a device which returns zero bytes forever
[07:29] <dooglus> it's what we use as the 'input file' to dd to copy from when making the swap file
[07:30] <dooglus> here's a real dd command that works:
[07:30] <dooglus> dd if=/dev/zero of=/home/chris/swapfile bs=1M count=10
[07:30] <dooglus> then: $ ls -l swapfile
[07:30] <dooglus> -rw-r--r-- 1 chris chris 10485760 2009-04-09 08:29 swapfile
[07:31] <dooglus> it's saying copy from the infinite zero file to a new 'swapfile' file 10 blocks of 1 meg
[07:52] <macvr> another video problem... ever since i'v upgraded to 9.04 video in vlc player plays in a separate window? but in the settings i have it set to overlay video output, and to embed video... whats wrong?
[07:52] <AK_Dave> mcvr: you have compiz enabled?
[07:53] <macvr> AK_Dave: s
[07:53] <macvr> AK but compiz and vlc was workin in 8.10 too.. do i have to change any settings?
[07:54] <AK_Dave> regression. turn it off and then try it again.
[07:54] <AK_Dave> it#1=compiz it#2=vlc
[07:54] <macvr> AK_Dave: ^^ i didnt understand what u said above?
[07:55] <crdlb> there's no reason why compiz should prevent embedded XVideo
[07:55] <AK_Dave> macvr: do you know what a regression is? Doesn't matter. Just please humor me. Disable compiz, and then restart vlc. Or don't believe me.
[07:56] <macvr> AK_Dave: i tried to change the window manager to metacity... but still separate windows..
[07:59] <macvr> AK_Dave: i do get what regression means but> it#1=compiz it#2=vlc< thats what had me confused... did u mean either vlc/compiz ... since u added the # i was wondering irc!
[08:00] <crdlb> did you restart vlc after switching to metacity?
[08:00] <AK_Dave> first "it", second "it". Never mind. Just clarifying that the suggestion was to disable compiz and then restart vlc.
[08:01] <macvr> crdlb: i tired X11 output let me try Xvideo
[08:02] <macvr> AK_Dave: crdlb : no go with either.. still seperate windows...
[08:04] <AK_Dave> Hmm... I know vlc has been funky in jaunty, not quite 100%, but most of that is tied to some goofy issue with compositing. So now I'm stumped.
[08:04] <macvr> AK_Dave: crdlb: previously in the hardware devices i had to use the propreitary driver for ATI graphics card but no propreitary drvivers are being used ?does this matter?
[08:05] <AK_Dave> Yeah, that'd kinda matter.
[08:06] <macvr> AK_Dave: but compiz works... and no drivers are being detected! i just thought that it was using so open source driver for the graphics card which works fine for compiz!
[08:06] <crdlb> what card?
[08:06] <macvr> crdlb: ATI raedon mobility X1400
[08:06] <AK_Dave> would it be an ati radeon mobility card, and now you're using the radeonfb kernel module?
[08:07] <crdlb> yeah, the radeon driver is the only choice for r500 now
[08:07] <AK_Dave> there you go
[08:07] <AK_Dave> I hate the radeonfb module
[08:07] <crdlb> it's not enabled by default
[08:07] <macvr> AK_Dave: so no fix till the main release? or problem will exist even later?
[08:08] <macvr> crdlb: whats not enabled by default?
[08:08] <AK_Dave> I am hoping that I can go back to fglrx soon.
[08:08] <macvr> AK_Dave: u have ATI too?
[08:08] <AK_Dave> yes
[08:09] <macvr> so vlc not working for u either?
[08:09] <AK_Dave> I haven't installed it yet.
[08:09] <macvr> AK_Dave: oh..ok..
[08:10] <AK_Dave> I usually stick with mplayer
[08:10] <macvr> AK_Dave: but i just like the vlc interface!
[08:10] <macvr> crdlb: u were saying something about not being enabled by default?
[08:11] <Blademoon> good time of the day. To to whom possible address on cause ubuntu-server 9.04 AMD64?
[08:14] <crdlb> radeonfb
[08:16] <AK_Dave> radeonfb installed by default for me. At least according to 'lspci -vnn' thats what is supporting my ati video
[08:17] <crdlb> hmm, that's broken
[08:17] <Blademoon> Anyone can help with pair by problem. Installation Ubuntu Server AMD64 9.04?
[08:17] <crdlb> as you may have discovered, it doesn't really work wit hX
[08:17] <crdlb> with X*
[08:19]  * AK_Dave thinks radeonfb is a wee bit quirky, but about 95% there.
[08:20] <bretcolin> were is totems display manager
[08:20] <crdlb> AK_Dave: it's dead and/or deprecated
[08:20] <bretcolin> or display properties brightness etc...
[08:20] <bretcolin> wierd
[08:20] <crdlb> in its preferences?
[08:20] <AK_Dave> crdlb: Then I don't know why Jaunty Beta was installing it.
[08:21] <Blademoon> The Problem to program of the installation Ubuntu 9.04 to nobody not interesting?
[08:21] <bretcolin> oh its not just me
[08:21] <crdlb> it's intalled here, but not loaded
[08:21] <crdlb> bretcolin: what's not just you?
[08:22] <bretcolin> that totems display settings are gone
[08:22] <bretcolin> in jaunty
[08:22] <crdlb> Blademoon: not that I can help, but you haven't actually specified a problem
[08:23] <bretcolin> im sorry i was wondering if anyone knew how to set brightness and contrast in the new totem
[08:24] <bretcolin> was that feature terminated
[08:24] <macvr> 1:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility X1400 [1002:7145]
[08:24] <macvr> 	Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Device [1025:0094]
[08:24] <macvr> 	Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 16
[08:24] <macvr> 	Memory at d0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M]
[08:24] <macvr> 	I/O ports at 2000 [size=256]
[08:24] <macvr> 	Memory at c8100000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
[08:24] <macvr> 	[virtual] Expansion ROM at c8120000 [disabled] [size=128K]
[08:24] <macvr> 	Capabilities: <access denied>
[08:24] <macvr> 03:00.0 Network
[08:25] <macvr> AK_Dave: i dont think that mine is using any drivers!
[08:25] <crdlb> !paste > macvr
[08:26] <macvr> crdlb: i just thought a few lines so i pasted here! but i dont think any driver is in use or am i wrong?
[08:26] <crdlb> a few is defined as 3
[08:27] <crdlb> lspci has no idea what driver you're using
[08:28] <macvr> but for the rest of drivers are being specified, so i thought so... how do i check?
[08:28] <crdlb> lspci just lists hardware, it doesn't care about drivers, period.
[08:29] <crdlb> if compiz works, you're using the radeon driver
[08:29] <macvr> oh.. ok.. so i think i better leave it at that...
[08:29] <td123> mmm, 400mb worth of downloads after fresh install :D
[08:29] <AK_Dave> lspci -vnn will show modules in use
[08:29] <Blademoon> crdlb: Athlon 3600+ maternal charge Asus A8N-E. The Distribution program accordingly too AMD64. In process of the installation we choose the type of the spreading of the keyboard "ru". Installing the base system goes orderly, but afterwards appears the window with request to insert the disk Ubuntu 9.04. Though disk in CD spindle and with it right before all are embelished was read...
[08:29] <td123> downloads = updates
[08:29] <macvr> AK_Dave: crdlb i did lspci-vnn
[08:30] <crdlb> ah, interesting
[08:30] <crdlb> that's not exactly the same thing as a "driver" though
[08:30] <crdlb> and certainly not in the X driver sense
[08:31] <macvr> crdlb: ok... since the rest had a kernel driver and module entry but ATI didnt
[08:32] <macvr> crdlb: AK_Dave : anyway thanx guys..
[08:32] <crdlb> well, there is a 'radeon' module, but lspci apparently doesn't know to look for that
[08:33] <macvr> crdlb: k...
[08:35] <Blademoon> crdlb: again mount the disk in catalogue /cdrom. IDE CD-ROM. The Result - too message.
[08:36] <macvr> crdlb: i just noticed this in the known issues >>> Upgrading a desktop system using an ATI video chipset with the fglrx binary-only driver may result in a warning that the driver needs to be replaced. There is a bug in the driver replacement logic, so if you see this prompt, please cancel the upgrade until this is fixed, which will happen immediately after the beta release. <<< but i selected upgrade, i dint canel it!, how do i revert?
[08:36] <ActionParsnip> good ol ati
[08:37] <macvr> ActionParsnip: any way i could get the old driver installed again?
[08:37] <td123> anyone familiar with processing xml with sax?
[08:38] <td123> sorry, wrong channel.
[08:40] <ActionParsnip> macvr: you could head to ATi's site for the driver. I steer clear of ATI personally so I'm not the best dude to ask
[08:41] <macvr> Ace|Work: should i just install the xorg-driver-fglrx? since i remember it was there previously?
[08:41] <macvr> ActionParsnip: ^
[08:42] <ActionParsnip> macvr: worth a shot
[08:42] <macvr> ActionParsnip: ok... thanx
[08:44] <aceat64> has anyone else run into issues with 9.04, sata_nv and it not detecting some drives (but detecting others)?
[08:45] <aceat64> everything works fine under 8.10 (using kernel 2.6.27-11-generic)
[08:45] <aceat64> but my intel ssd just won't show up with any of the newer kernels
[08:46] <crdlb> macvr: if you have compiz working, don't do anything
[08:46] <crdlb> fglrx does not support your GPU anymore
[08:47] <ActionParsnip> aceat64: i see the controller detected but I'm not using them right now, I'm using my PATA controller instead
[08:48] <ActionParsnip> aceat64: try some bootoptions
[08:48] <ActionParsnip> !bootoptions > aceat64
[08:49] <aceat64> any bootoptions in particular, or just the usual suspects like acpi=off noapic etc?
[08:51] <ActionParsnip> aceat64: try different ones, it may make stuff work
[08:52] <ActionParsnip> aceat64: you could also search the bugs to see if one matches yuor situation
[08:53] <aceat64> so far I haven't had any luck with my searches, I'll try out some bootoptions in a sec
[08:54] <ActionParsnip> is it possible to have many swap partitions?
[08:54] <ActionParsnip> and have them all used
[08:55] <aceat64> yes
[08:55] <macvr> crdlb: oh ok... sorry for late response... i was about to install fglrx!
[08:56] <aceat64> I don't remember how they are handled with regards to priority, but the kernel can use more then one at a time
[08:58] <ActionParsnip> sweet
[08:59] <ActionParsnip> just curious
[09:01] <hmw> i didnt update for over a week, and when I now click "Install Updates" nothing happens. How can I find out, what's wrong?
[09:01] <ActionParsnip> hmw: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo apt-get dist-uprade
[09:01] <ActionParsnip> hmw: works for me :)
[09:01] <aceat64> brb, time to try out some bootoptions
[09:02] <hmw> thanks, ActionParsnip, i'll try and hope, it works again. Probably some beta version problem?
[09:03] <ActionParsnip> hmw: never seen it personally, but i dont use silly gui apps to upgrade
[09:03] <hmw> hmm... i dont want my system to break and force me to use the command line. Personally, I dont have a big problem with using the shell, but its not good for "normal" users
[09:04] <ActionParsnip> hmw: i just find gui slow, plus I use scripts for it so i can run a single command and go make a brew
[09:04] <ActionParsnip> hmw: it wont break and force you to use command line, you can execute the commands in terminal/konsole/xterm/whatever
[09:04] <hmw> i dont feel good with programs suddenly stopping to work, i need to find out, what happened
[09:05] <ActionParsnip> hmw: its exactly the same as the gui app but you can actually see the outputs instead of the app hiding all the useful stuff taht can help you diagnose issues
[09:07] <ActionParsnip> hmw: plus you can pastebin the output from terminal/konsole for others to see
[09:08] <hmw> thats not my point, i dont accept key programs to crash. there might be a worse problem, my firefox is doing stange things, too... i will look into it
[09:08] <ActionParsnip> hmw: programs do crash, open source OS = no warranty
[09:09] <hmw> wow
[09:09] <hmw> thats a hard case of sudden death
[09:09] <ActionParsnip> hmw: you could rename your ~/.mozilla folder so you get a fresh one to see if the profile is at fault
[09:11] <ActionParsnip> hmw: you are also running beta software so key program crashing is more probable as the OS itself is officially unreleased
[09:11] <hmw> of course
[09:12] <hmw> but i wonder, why it stopped working WITHOUT me touching it nor having updates...
[09:12] <ActionParsnip> hmw: log a bug
[09:15] <J-_> If my xorg.conf is empty, what is xorg using for configuration? What's the file I can look at to see what video driver I'm using?
[09:15] <MinusSeven> hi
[09:15] <MinusSeven> i tried 9.04 beta, but it didn't give me the choice to put the boot loader on the master drive
[09:15] <ActionParsnip> J-_: very little these days
[09:15] <robin0800> J-_: Xorg log file
[09:16] <ActionParsnip> J-_: they are trying to phase it out despite their being nothing wrong with it
[09:16] <hmw> omg
[09:16] <hmw> it must be the cache... had the webcam thingy running and my fs is full
[09:16] <ActionParsnip> hmw: i'd suggest a reboot
[09:16] <hmw> i just booted up?
[09:17] <J-_> robin0800: And if it's using the wrong driver, what config file do I fix?
[09:17] <ActionParsnip> hmw: read    dmesg | less
[09:17] <robin0800> xorg.conf
[09:18] <J-_> Kind of a pain in the ass because I know my GM965 chipset isn't detected proper. In Debian I was getting well over 100FPS in TORCS. Now in Jaunty, I'm getting 20FPS.
[09:22] <J-_> robin0800: Where's the log file?
[09:24] <robin0800> in sytem log files
[09:25] <MinusSeven> any ideas?
[09:26] <fyl0n> Videothumbs in Dolphin? How possible?
[09:29] <ActionParsnip> J-_: you could re-establish your video driver
[09:30] <MinusSeven> has anyone else had trouble selecting the correct drive for the boot loader during installation?
[09:31] <robin0800> MinusSeven: No
[09:32] <robin0800> MinusSeven: Did you try to do it manualy at the correct time?
[09:33] <MinusSeven> yep, I clicked on the advanced button
[09:33] <MinusSeven> it had a tick box, i ticked it, and clicked on the drop down menu, but it only had the slave drive
[09:33] <MinusSeven> sdb
[09:33] <MinusSeven> not sda
[09:34] <robin0800> MinusSeven: Sounds like sda not detected or mounted
[09:35] <MinusSeven> maybe I need to put the cd in, shut my pc down
[09:35] <MinusSeven> then start it up
[09:35] <MinusSeven> soft boot might not have released the drive or something
[09:35] <MinusSeven> weird
[09:35] <MinusSeven> brb, will try it
[09:36] <robin0800> MinusSeven: Is it a live cd?
[09:41] <J-_> I'm happier. I enabled uxa, it's MUCH better.
[09:46] <ActionParsnip> J-_: sweet wtg :)
[10:11] <SiDi> hi
[10:11] <SiDi> I'm having big trouble with grub + jaunty ext4
[10:12] <SiDi> actually, i now have grub2 on my mbr, but i just dont know how to add a menu entry for jaunty :/
[10:14] <SiDi> *going back to grub 1* T_T
[10:15] <BUGabundo> SiDi: just keep the official one, unless you really need something specific
[10:15] <SiDi> Well, it wont boot my ext4 partition, that's why i tried the other one
[10:16] <ActionParsnip> SiDi: could try lilo
[10:19] <BUGabundo> ActionParsnip: current jaunty grub has full support of ext4.
[10:19] <BUGabundo> if it doesn't for some reason then some bug lurked in
[10:19] <IntuitiveNipple> Sounds like a grub-install config issue
[10:19] <BUGabundo> it may very well be
[10:20] <ActionParsnip> BUGabundo: never said it didnt, just saying lilo is an alternative ootloader
[10:21] <BUGabundo> ok
[10:23] <IntuitiveNipple> I've come to the conclusion that OpenJDK is a mess!
[10:25] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: did it took you all this long ? eheh
[10:26] <IntuitiveNipple> :) No wonder Java lost the desktop/web-app space... amazing own-goal
[10:27] <rconan> can anyone running irssi check what version of the nickserv script is available in the jaunty irssi-scripts package?
[10:28] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: or was it because of the terrible security fail, that allowed a system to be ROOTed from user space?
[10:30] <IntuitiveNipple> nah, users generally weren't even aware of that. The biggest issue was the failure to integrate the media extensions
[10:30] <IntuitiveNipple> Now they're trying to 'catch up' with jfx
[10:33] <SiDi> Does anyone mind sending me his menu.lst via pastebin ? :p
[10:33] <Chr|s> SiDi» why? you can re-add it to the panel
[10:33] <BUGabundo> SiDi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/147528/
[10:33] <SiDi> Th
[10:33] <SiDi> anks
[10:34] <DreadKnight> foxbuntu: hi
[10:34] <DreadKnight> um, im having troubles in jaunty with the video card
[10:34] <DreadKnight> intel gma 950
[10:35] <SiDi> BUGabundo: any idea how i can find the correct UUID for me ?
[10:36] <IntuitiveNipple> SiDi: usually running grub-install and update-grub should do that automatically
[10:36] <SiDi> Ok thanks
[10:36] <IntuitiveNipple> SiDi: read the man-pages first to make sure you use the correct options and the correct settings for your boot harware
[10:36] <IntuitiveNipple> s/harware/hardware/
[10:37] <SiDi> IntuitiveNipple: i'm on a liveCD atm :) so it will update the livecd's menu.lst :(
[10:37] <IntuitiveNipple> no it won't
[10:37] <IntuitiveNipple> It doesn't have one
[10:38] <IntuitiveNipple> all you should need, from what you described earlier, is to fix the grub menu using update-grub
[10:39] <SiDi> well, i rewrote a menu.lst that *should* boot
[10:39] <DreadKnight> the video drivers for intel card is acting shitty
[10:39] <SiDi> btw, is the grub1 located on jaunty's liveCD *really* meant to can boot ext4 ?
[10:39] <IntuitiveNipple> it either *does* or doesn't, there's no 'should' :)
[10:39] <DreadKnight> can't use blender right, even crashes x when using artrage2
[10:40] <DreadKnight> blender doesn't shows up right, don't see text on buttons
[10:40] <DreadKnight> etc
[10:40] <IntuitiveNipple> but, if you've got the grub2 MBR you will need to use grub-install to replace that
[10:40] <Exilant> Is there any reason why /dev/rfcomm[0-9] is now non-userreadable/writable in jaunty?
[10:40] <IntuitiveNipple> SiDi: yes, jaunty's grub supports ext4
[10:40] <Exilant> it was in hardy, but i'm not that familiar with all that bluetooth stuff
[10:41] <SiDi> Alright, thanks everyone
[10:41] <SiDi> trying to boot, see you soon if it doesnt work :p
[10:41] <IntuitiveNipple> Exilant: I'd presume it was seen as a security issue
[10:41] <Exilant> hm, ok
[10:42] <Exilant> so i have to add some udev rules, or is there some other way?
[10:42] <IntuitiveNipple> Check the existing rules - one of them is probably the reason :)
[10:42] <IntuitiveNipple> then you can figure out what needs to change without upsetting anything else
[10:42] <imachine> anyone having issues with IBM buttons?
[10:43] <imachine> oh
[10:43] <imachine> topic
[10:43] <imachine> cool, cheers :)
[10:43] <imachine> oh, actually not really. hotkey-setup update broke them and the topic seems to be from 6th of April.
[10:44] <edgy> Hi, my wifi previously used the wl driver and now it stopped working. it seems wl is removed now?!!
[10:44] <Exilant> hm, there doesn't seem to be a rule governing rfcomm in either /lib/udev/rules.d or /etc/udev/rules.d
[10:45] <imachine> edgy, I have wl over here.
[10:45] <imachine> well, not using it, but it's there.
[10:45] <imachine> /lib/modules/2.6.28-11-generic/volatile/wl.ko
[10:47] <edgy> imachine: locate wl.ko shows you result?
[10:47] <IntuitiveNipple> Exilant: The best way to figure out which rule is doing the permissions setting is to disconnect the bluetooth device, run "sudo udevadm monitor --environment" and then connect the device and examine what happens on the udev side
[10:48] <Exilant> ok
[10:49] <imachine> edgy, I'm not sure if I use locate.
[10:49] <imachine> edgy, but modinfo wl shows what I just typed.
[10:49] <imachine> (plus some other info about the module)
[10:50] <edgy> $ modinfo wl
[10:50] <edgy> modinfo: could not find module wl
[10:50] <edgy> imachine: ^
[10:51] <edgy> imachine: but you are right the /lib/modules/2.6.28-11-generic/volatile/wl.ko is available here too
[10:51] <[4-tea-2]> Howdy. Gnome "system" folders, like Desktop/, are defined in .config/user-dirs.dirs. A tool called xdg-user-dirs-update is run whenever X starts to set those directories. According to my understanding, it's supposed to honor changes done by the user (e.g. by editing the file or by using "xdg-user-dir --set"). This seems to work on 8.10, while it seems to be broken in 9.04 - the file is always overwritten, even when chmodded read-only.
[10:51] <IntuitiveNipple> edgy: what kernel version is currently running? "uname -r"
[10:52] <edgy> IntuitiveNipple: 2.6.28-11-generic
[10:53] <IntuitiveNipple> edgy: it looks like somehow the module depends have been messed up... have you done any custom kernel or module installations?
[10:53] <imachine> edgy, then you probably have to 'sudo depmod -a'
[10:53] <imachine> (my guess)
[10:53] <IntuitiveNipple> imachine: I'd agree; wondering how it got messed up though
[10:53] <imachine> maybe the volatile dir is not always picked up. dunno.
[10:53] <edgy> IntuitiveNipple: no but I instaalled the kernel of xen too but now I am not booting into it
[10:53] <IntuitiveNipple> might be a symptom of a larger problem
[10:54] <imachine> so they could bite at eachother (the kernels)
[10:54] <imachine> hence the dir volatile doesn't get picked up.
[10:54] <imachine> my first guess at least. tho try just running depmod.
[10:56] <[4-tea-2]> from .config/user-dirs.dirs:
[10:56] <[4-tea-2]> # If you want to change or add directories, just edit the line you're
[10:56] <[4-tea-2]> # interested in. All local changes will be retained on the next run
[10:56] <[4-tea-2]> I think that's a lie (at least in jaunty). ;)
[10:56] <edgy> imachine: depmod command now really showed my wifi interfacce. thanks for that
[10:56] <imachine> edgy, np
[10:57] <imachine> if the problm persits, file a bug report on launchpad.
[10:58] <edgy> imachine: yes, I will do
[10:58] <imachine> cheers.
[11:00] <imachine> I thikn I'll have to file a bug report on hotkey-setup then.
[11:00] <imachine> brb
[11:00] <etric> hi all. I'm using kubuntu live cd and have some trouble connecting with my WLAN (WPA-PSK) as well as UMTS Modem. Are there any news if there is a fix around?
[11:03] <[4-tea-2]> Since nobody complained, I reported it as a bug.
[11:04] <BUGabundo> etric: what kind of trouble and what equipement?
[11:07] <imachine> another question I might want to ask would be why I haven't got bootsplash working correctly.
[11:07] <imachine> IntuitiveNipple, maybe you could answer this?
[11:07] <imachine> IntuitiveNipple, it happened on 8.10 as well tho, and it just carried on till 9.04, stopped working after a kernel updgrade.
[11:07] <imachine> upgrade*
[11:08] <imachine> It works on shutdown (the progress bar) it works on bootup just after grub, but then it drops back to text and I miss the progress bar stage during bootup.
[11:08] <imachine> any ideas?
[11:13] <luca> hi everyone
[11:13] <luca> after yesterday upgrades my jaunty nm cannot manage wireless connections anymore
[11:14] <luca> I am connected through a live cd
[11:14] <luca> anyone else having this problem_
[11:14] <luca> ?
[11:15] <imachine> not here.
[11:15] <etric> BUGabundo: Huawei E220 Modem, seems the problem is the PIN i need for the connection
[11:15] <imachine> works flawless (intel ipw2100)
[11:17] <BUGabundo> etric: that dongle is known to work okay
[11:18] <BUGabundo> you do know your PIN, right?
[11:19] <etric> yes the connections works on 8.10 withoud problems, seems something is wrong with the new NM plasma applet
[11:19] <imachine> oh, you're using KDE?
[11:19] <etric> yes
[11:19] <luca> I also purged and reinstalled the wpasupplicant and nm packages
[11:19] <luca> anyone has got any suggestions_
[11:19] <luca> ?
[11:20] <imachine> luca, try creating a new user and see if the problem persists
[11:20] <luca> imachine: thank
[11:20] <imachine> luca, if not, then it's some config issue in your ~ dit.
[11:20] <imachine> s/dit/dir
[11:21] <imachine> if it is your local issue, then probably ~/.gnome* and ~/.gconf* need backing up and reseating. to my taste.
[11:21] <imachine> but see for yourself.
[11:21] <imachine> I backed up mine after migrating from 8.x to 9.x and some issues got resolved (namely, qt 4.5.0 picked up correct dpi for fonts since it's now reading gconf files)
[11:21] <imachine> etric, try Kubuntu.
[11:22] <imachine> #kubuntu or smth
[11:22] <imachine> dunno. it could be plasma.
[11:22] <imachine> :]
[11:22] <imachine> s/plasma/the plasmoid.
[11:23] <luca> imachine: thanks
[11:23] <luca> however
[11:23] <luca> I already tried to purge and reinstall the nm packages
[11:23] <luca> so I think it is not some global config problem. I hope
[11:23] <luca> gotta disconnect
[11:23] <luca> bye
[11:23] <luca> and again thanks
[11:23] <imachine> sure
[11:23] <imachine> n
[11:24] <imachine> p
[11:58] <Hiubuntu>                                                          
[11:58] <Hiubuntu>  3083 root      20   0  727m 422m  26m S    7 24.0  52:32.85 Xorg
[11:58] <Hiubuntu> top
[11:59] <Hiubuntu> shows the xorg high mem
[12:00] <Hiubuntu> anyone hlep
[12:01] <imachine> yea
[12:01] <imachine> 422MB
[12:01] <imachine> looks fair to me
[12:01] <imachine> remember that's agp memory etc etc.
[12:01] <imachine> buffers.
[12:01] <imachine> Linux uses memory management wisely.
[12:01] <imachine> if it's there, it uses it.
[12:01] <imachine> so don't worry.
[12:01] <imachine> :)
[12:01] <imachine> if your swap is not being used up, you're okay
[12:01] <Hiubuntu> not bug？
[12:02] <imachine> type in free -m and see if your swap's being used
[12:02] <imachine> if it's not then you're in the clear
[12:02] <imachine> fimachine@mateusz-x40:~$ free -m total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[12:02] <imachine> Mem:          1246       1219         26          0         77        809
[12:02] <imachine> that's how it looks for me.
[12:02] <imachine> -/+ buffers/cache:        332        914
[12:02] <Neremor> hello!
[12:02] <scizzo-> imachine: free -mto
[12:02] <Hiubuntu> with the time goes   the xorg is become high mem
[12:02] <Neremor> i've upgraded my kubuntu to jaunty an hour ago (i think the desktop environment isn't relevant for my problem). During the upgrade, i was told that the fglrx driver for my ati card isn't supported in jaunty and that it will be uninstalled. i proceeded the installation and everything finished all right. i rebooted and, like i expected from ubuntu, everything worked perfectly. except fglrx, that was uninstalled. i was using the mesa driver as
[12:02] <Neremor> default, and a look into my xorg.conf told me, that my very big xorg.conf i had befor the upgrade was deleted and replaced by a very simple one. So, i tried to install fglrx again with "sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver-xorg"... It installed and i replaced the "Driver "ati"" in the xorg.conf with "Driver "fglrx"", like i had to in intrepid... I rebooted the system. The system crashes when it tries to show kdm. The keyboard is unusable (no
[12:02] <Neremor> pushs accepted) and the display shows a complete mess of multi-colored lines and kubuntu-logos. The only thing i can do is using the power-button on my pc. the question is: Do i have to configure anything else to use fglrx? or at least: is it supported right now? I need the driver, because (k)ubuntu is really slow without it... thanks in advance for your help :)
[12:03] <scizzo-> Neremor: dont spam
[12:03] <Neremor> why spam?
[12:03] <Neremor> i posted a question i didn't know that is spamming :S
[12:03] <imachine> scizzo-, okay -o is interesting.
[12:04] <Hiubuntu> imachine: here
[12:04] <Hiubuntu> imachine:  free -m
[12:04] <Hiubuntu>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[12:04] <Hiubuntu> Mem:          1760       1553        206          0         80        736
[12:04] <Hiubuntu> -/+ buffers/cache:        737       1023
[12:04] <Hiubuntu> Swap:           94          0         94
[12:05] <imachine> Hiubuntu, so you have plenty free.
[12:05] <imachine> about 1GB
[12:05] <imachine> rest easy
[12:05] <imachine> no hibernation for you tho
[12:05] <Exilant> Neremor: i don't know, i'm using the free driver. kwin's compositing works with that, and suspend also
[12:05] <imachine> too little swap :)
[12:05] <scizzo-> Neremor: did you even check the logs for what is causing the crash?
[12:05] <Hiubuntu> xorg dont stop
[12:05] <Neremor> no because i can't access my system now
[12:06] <scizzo-> Neremor: well even though the crash occurs you can still access the Ctrl+Alt+F1-F6 consoles
[12:06] <Hiubuntu> imachine: I think 1.7G ram is enough ，so give 100M to swap
[12:06] <scizzo-> Neremor: or boot it into recovery mode
[12:06] <imachine> Hiubuntu, yes, but hibernation saves your current state into swap.
[12:07] <SiDi> Thanks BUGabundo , your menu.lst saved me :p
[12:07] <imachine> Hiubuntu, so you'd need to use a swapfile if you wanted hibernation.
[12:07] <imachine> nevermind.
[12:07] <imachine> :(
[12:07] <imachine> ;)
[12:07] <Hiubuntu> the swap can add by commd
[12:07] <imachine> yea with file
[12:07] <imachine> nops
[12:07] <Neremor> scizzo-: No i can't access F1 to F6 because my keyboard does not work...
[12:08] <Exilant> wh does fglrx break your keyboard outside of X?
[12:08] <Neremor> i don't have the slightes idea..
[12:08] <deany> lol, there was that many updates from the last update lastnight, by time it finished there was another shed load ..
[12:09] <clancy> hi
[12:09] <Neremor> i've read that the fglrx driver isn't compatible with the new xserver 1.6, but why is the fglrx-driver still in the jaunty repos then?
[12:09] <clancy> i use jaunty and i get often xorg updates
[12:10] <clancy> will there still be as much xorg updates when jaunty is final?
[12:10] <Hiubuntu> xorg-server 1.6
[12:11] <deany> im hopin ati catalyst supports jaunty..
[12:11] <clancy> there are often ubuntu updates like xorg.....-ubuntu1 xorg.....-ubunutu2 etc...
[12:11] <Hiubuntu> fglrx can work
[12:11] <Hiubuntu> in 9.04
[12:12] <Hiubuntu> also you can wait  ati 9.4 driver
[12:13] <Neremor> Hiubuntu: Can you tell me how you got your fglrx to work, please?
[12:13] <jarle> I have a question about ext4. In 9.04 I have read that it will be supported but not the default file system. is there any reason why I should continue to use ext3? Is ext4 still a bit experimental?
[12:13] <Hiubuntu> hard deiver
[12:14] <imachine> clancy, jaunty's still in dev stage.
[12:14] <imachine> clancy, you have to expect changes, breakage, etc.
[12:14] <clancy> i know
[12:14] <Hiubuntu> Neremor: systerm - hard-driver
[12:14] <imachine> clancy, I used 8.10 before and had not so many updates at all.
[12:14] <imachine> :]
[12:14] <Hiubuntu> just click the mouse
[12:14] <SiDi> jarle: the main reason i see is that the old grubs are not compatible with ext4
[12:14] <SiDi> jarle: leading into trouble. Plus, ext4 is quite new and they want to wait for user feedback before putting it as default
[12:15] <Neremor> Hiubuntu: thanks :)
[12:15] <imachine> jarle, I've been using ext4 for about 1-2 months now.
[12:15] <imachine> jarle, there's been some issues with file deletion, but I heard it's fixed by now.
[12:15] <imachine> jarle, other than that, it works flawless quick, a lot better than ext3.
[12:16] <jarle> is the performance significantly better?
[12:16] <Hiubuntu> Neremor: u r welcome
[12:16] <imachine> generally I can recommend, tho don't come back with tears in your eyes if something goes awry :]
[12:16] <imachine> jarle, bootup time a lot better, a lot better file operations.
[12:16] <imachine> jarle, naturally, it's the next level.
[12:16] <imachine> I've been running ext4dev for almost a year also.
[12:16] <imachine> had no issues with it then.
[12:17] <Hiubuntu> someone said ext4 case date lost
[12:18] <imachine> Hiubuntu, never here.
[12:18] <imachine> but I hadn't tried many different setups.
[12:19] <jarle> Taken from ubuntu.com: There has been extensive discussion about the reliability of applications running on ext4 in the face of sudden system outages.
[12:19] <jarle> This made me think twice before using ext4, but it seems like you guys haven't had a lot of problems
[12:19] <joaopinto> there is a bug describing those ext4 issues, which seem to be app specific
[12:20] <imachine> jarle, I have laptops.
[12:20] <imachine> jarle, so I sort of have UPS ;)
[12:21] <joaopinto> it mostly because of the caching system, if you haven a sudden system hang and some files were recently created, they may be lost
[12:21] <imachine> well that's in any filesystem,
[12:21] <imachine> because of caching.
[12:22] <joaopinto> imachine, right, but with ext3 the flush time is shorter, by default
[12:22] <joaopinto> :P
[12:22] <jarle> so, you would recommend to switch to ext4 when 9.04 is released? I will be using it on laptops as well.
[12:22] <joaopinto> I am using ext4, no problems so far
[12:22] <imachine> joaopinto, you can tune.
[12:22] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm finding ext4 a *lot* faster than ext3 for large source-code trees (lots of sub-dirs and small files)
[12:23] <joaopinto> imachine, sure, but a lower timing will also decrease the performance benefit :P
[12:23] <Neremor> hello!
[12:24] <imachine> jarle, I'd recommend as soon as possible, because you need to overwrite a lot of files to benefit from ext4.
[12:25] <imachine> well, overwrite all the files you had before.
[12:25] <Hiubuntu> Neremor: Does it work
[12:26] <jarle> ok, so probably a good idea to do a fresh install with 9.04 then
[12:26] <Neremor> i was the one trying to get fglrx working... now i tried to undo the changes made on my xserver to use the normal ati driver again... so i resetted the xorg.conf to the one directly after upgrading (that was working perfectly but only had the normal ati driver)... Now even this config does not work. I get a black screen before kde is displayed and cannot use my keyboard... next i would try to uninstall the xorg-driver-fglrx again, but i cant
[12:26] <Neremor> do thios because i can't access my system... :/ i don't have any idea what to do next ...
[12:27] <Neremor> sorry i meant kdm is displayed
[12:30] <Hiubuntu> bad luck
[12:31] <imachine> jarle, that or just do it early enough so that you rewrite most libs etc.
[12:31] <imachine> jarle, I also use preload/prelink so prelinking rewrites binaries
[12:32] <Hiubuntu> Neremor: recovery mode
[12:32] <Neremor> hm ok
[12:33] <Neremor> i will now try to install the ati driver downloaded on amd.de for my card in recovery mode... i hope it works...
[12:34] <Hiubuntu> Neremor: 9.3cant suppurt 9.04  x 1.6
[12:36] <Neremor> it's version 9.2
[12:36] <Hiubuntu> new x
[12:36] <Neremor> or do you think there is a way to get back even my default ati-driver ?
[12:37] <Hiubuntu> Neremor: your systerm is 9.04
[12:37] <Hiubuntu> ubuntu 9.04 use xorg-xserver 1.6
[12:37] <Hiubuntu> ati 9.2 cant support 1.6
[12:37] <Hiubuntu> u
[12:38] <Neremor> hm ok
[12:39] <Hiubuntu> wait for 9.4 ati driver
[12:40] <Neremor> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Jaunty_Installation_Guide#Installing_the_restricted_drivers_.22the_Ubuntu_way.22
[12:40] <Neremor> but here is an instruction for jaunty installation
[12:41] <Hiubuntu> dose the writter try it?
[12:42] <Hiubuntu> ne
[12:42] <Neremor> i don't know
[12:43] <Hiubuntu> Neremor: same as 8.10
[12:43] <Hiubuntu> the wiki just 8.10 to 9.04  and 9.2 to 9.3
[12:43] <Neremor> but  what is much more important at the moment is to get back my normal ati driver that worked after the upgrade... it is at least better than a black screen ;)
[12:44] <Neremor> any ideas?
[12:44] <Hiubuntu> sudo apt-get remove xorg-driver-fglrx
[12:45] <Hiubuntu> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg
[12:45] <Hiubuntu> or xfix
[12:45] <Neremor> in recovery mode? ok i will try it :)
[12:45] <Hiubuntu> linus bless you :-D
[12:46] <Neremor> thanks ;) i will come back if everything works again or in the worst case, isn't working...
[12:56] <mickep> Hi, (running Jaunty beta) my mouse cursor jumps randomly sometimes. Known bug or should I report (and if so, for what package?)
[12:56] <Hiubuntu> xorg-input?
[12:58] <mickep> Hiubuntu: it is a usb mouse. Any specific xorg-input package then? evdev?
[12:58] <Hiubuntu> I ps/2
[12:58] <fireup> hey where an i find developers
[12:59] <mickep> Hiubuntu: what? Can you give me a whole sentence? :)
[12:59] <Hiubuntu> sorry
[13:00] <atlef> i can not get miro to install, gives me this error : Depends: python (<2.6) but 2.6.1-0ubuntu9 is to be installed
[13:00] <atlef> can i downgrade a package
[13:02] <fireup> hey i just found a very good thing in elive that ubuntu is MISSING A LOT its that when you boot for the first time it removes the necessary things like battery menager power menager and things like that this will be a good thing if you put it in the 9.04 version :)
[13:15] <atlef> np, i fixed it
[13:15] <atlef> don't know how, but i did :-)
[13:30] <mib_xqdrndlx> hi, i need help getting my wifi to scan, its been found and recognized but going thought the terminal don't work
[13:46] <djcip> hey - trying to get a compiz manager  - what do i need to apt-get ?
[13:46] <Mulder> isnt compiz installed by default?
[13:46] <djcip> it is... but there's no settings manager
[13:47] <atlef> compizconfig-settings-manager i think
[13:47] <djcip> thank you
[13:47] <djcip> :D
[14:03] <luca> hi everyone
[14:03] <atlef> hello
[14:03] <luca> hi >9
[14:03] <luca> :)
[14:04] <luca> I have quite a problem, my jaunty network-manager says it does not manage my wireless connections
[14:04] <luca> I had to resort to live usb to connect
[14:04] <nandemonai> luca: Did you install via alternate disc and setup networking through that?
[14:04] <luca> anyone here with the same problem or ideas?
[14:05] <luca> nandemonai: I updated my intrepid install weeks ago
[14:05] <luca> nandemonai: this problem is new as of this morning, previously I could connect without problems, not so much after last updates
[14:05] <nandemonai> Not sure about wifi but my wired connection did the same thing. Had to mv my /etc/network/interfaces to a backup file before NM would manage it.
[14:05] <nandemonai> Ah that's likely something else then I think.
[14:05] <luca> wait, what did you do?
[14:06] <luca> right now I am in the mood of trying _anything_
[14:06] <luca> :)
[14:06] <nandemonai> Well the alternate disc wrote a /etc/network/interfaces file that was preventing NM managing my connection.
[14:07] <nandemonai> You could try $ sudo mv /etc/network/interfaces /etc/network/interfaces.bak and reboot to see if NM let's you handle the connnection.
[14:07] <luca> mmm
[14:07] <luca> gonna try that
[14:07] <luca> thanks
[14:07] <nandemonai> That's what I had to do, though this was a wired connection.
[14:07] <nandemonai> Just reinstate the file if it doesn't work.
[14:08] <luca> good
[14:08] <luca> done
[14:08] <luca> gonna reboot then :(
[14:08] <luca> :)
[14:08] <luca> bye
[14:08] <luca> and thanks!!
[14:08] <nandemonai> gl ;)
[14:08] <luca> ;)
[14:08] <luca> bye
[14:11] <Flower_Girl> Hey all, have Ubuntu 9.04 installed fresh as of Alpha 5 onto a Dell Laptop (~2yrs old), and suddenly after recent upgrade it won't login, also, at tty1 it complains about not being able to access /dev/null, any ideas what's going on?
[14:11] <Flower_Girl> To clarify, the GDM login screen comes up, but upon entering user and pass it hangs, I can switch over to tty1 though.
[14:12] <nandemonai> That doesn't sound good.
[14:13] <jonaskoelker> Hi all.  After upgrading to Jaunty, the mapping between keycodes and keysyms is different from what I had before.  I had the same problem with Hardy->Intrepid.  Where's the mapping defined, and how can I get the old mapping?  Is this an evdev/hal thing?
[14:15] <jonaskoelker> Also, I have CPU frequency issues: the frequency seems "stuck" at 800 MHz (running at 100% CPU usage, on AC), even though I can go up to 2133.  How do I make it scale up the CPU frequency when I'm on AC and using it fully?
[14:16] <nandemonai>  Second sounds like a bug, not sure on the mappings myself though.
[14:20] <jonaskoelker> well, if I plug and unplug AC, it seems to go away (i.e. increase to 2133) temporarily
[14:25] <jonaskoelker> Also, when I press C-M-F[1-6], I get taken back to the x server on vt... what's it, 7?  In any case: I don't want that.  I only press C-M-F[1-6] intentionally :)  how do I make my box not go back?
[14:30] <XVampireX> Folks where can I get skype for jaunty?
[14:31] <IntuitiveNipple> XVampireX: the medibuntu repository
[14:31] <XVampireX> thanks :)
[14:32] <hil> jonaskoelker: does vt (1-6) stay if you press it again after vt7 returned?
[14:32] <jonaskoelker> yeah
[14:32] <BUGabundo> anybody else having trouble with pidgin and XMPP?
[14:33] <BUGabundo> since 12h GMT updates mine aint working
[14:33] <jonaskoelker> it's probably Normal and Correct behavior, it's just I don't want it :)
[14:33] <mbeierl> BUGabundo: not that I have noticed, but I use XMPP infrequently
[14:33] <IntuitiveNipple> jonaskoelker: I think that's beena known bug for a while now
[14:33] <jonaskoelker> oh
[14:33] <hil>  seems to be bug #271962
[14:33] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo will probably know if it is
[14:34] <mbeierl> And here I thought the vt-switching stuff was actually designed behaviour to help along newbies that "accidentally" get themselves to a console and have no clue what happened.
[14:35] <XVampireX> Uhm, another question: KPackage is great and all but is there a way I can browse all available packages?
[14:35] <mbeierl> jonaskoelker: If you are logged in to the VT, it appears to switch first try from there onwards.
[14:37] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: me what?
[14:37] <IntuitiveNipple> never mind :)
[14:37] <hil> BUGabundo: a lot of ppl had troubles with jabber yeah. mine works fine tho
[14:39] <BUGabundo> hil: mine works 100% all the time! today stop, on pidgin
[14:39] <BUGabundo> looking at updates to see if I track something out
[14:39]  * BUGabundo hates freezes rush! :(
[14:40] <sebsebseb> Jabber has always worked much better on Pidgin, than for example MSN
[14:40] <BUGabundo> I can't start ANY of my xmpp accounts from any server
[14:41] <BUGabundo> it just segfaults
[14:41] <BUGabundo> :(
[14:41] <hil> as an 100% open thing, it should work better ;)
[14:41] <BUGabundo> I'll send it to LP
[14:41] <Holek_> is there w32codecs package for Jaunty?
[14:41] <hil> maybe i missed last updates.. i'll check
[14:42] <Holek_> anyway
[14:42] <sebsebseb> Holek_: that was just a suggestion might not solve your issue though,  you should ask your question here  as well
[14:42] <Holek_> when I play some movies, I have no sound: mplayer loads the file and gets stuck at one position and doesn't play audio. I can see throughout the whole video stream, but audio stream doesn't play (mplayer output: http://pastebin.ca/1387088)
[14:42] <BUGabundo> Holek_: yes
[14:43] <BUGabundo> Holek_: humm yeah I'm having several video freezes on my system too, with ALL players
[14:43] <BUGabundo> from totem, vlc, mplayer, etc
[14:43] <Holek_> but it's the audio codec that freezes them
[14:43] <hil> yeah, there's a libpurple update.. lets see what happens ;)
[14:45] <Holek_> BUGabundo: and still, i get freezes all the time
[14:45] <BUGabundo>   * debian/patches/71_upstream_change_fix_ssl_crasher.patch:
[14:45] <BUGabundo> track it down!
[14:45] <BUGabundo> lets ask for a revert
[14:46] <Holek_> BUGabundo: btw, where is that w32codecs package? :)
[14:46] <Holek_> apt-get says it's not in the repositories
[14:46] <BUGabundo> Holek_: medibuntu
[14:47] <Spezl> can anyone tell me why flashplugin-nonfree can't be updated? .. and why the kpackagekit tray icon tells me that there are 2 software updates available although it's only that single one that is blocked?
[14:49] <Holek_> BUGabundo: thanks :)
[15:00] <BUGabundo> incase any one else asks: bug 357949
[15:00] <BUGabundo> bug of the day
[15:03] <Newbee> hello
[15:04] <Newbee> I made a safe-upgrade and got a new kernel. Now my system does not boot anymore. It stops precenting me a ash for the initram
[15:05] <Newbee> It says that it cannot mount the root fs. And in /dev , there are no devices to be found. Especially the /dev/disk folder is missig. Does anyone know what I can do to make my system boot again?
[15:09] <xixaq> can someone please confirm that Pidgin crashes when you attemt to log into a gmail.com XMPP account?
[15:09] <koperton> Newbee: maybe if you have an older kernel .. .you could reboot , then press ESC and choose the other kernel
[15:10] <koperton> Newbee: i have the same issue but , because i knew it's a beta, i installed before another kernel
[15:10] <koperton> Newbee: so i have selected and i got my computer on line
[15:11] <xixaq> I think this bug is rather serious, because as Pidgin starts, it will connect to all your accounts, including the gmail account, which will crash Pidgin. It makes it difficult to disable the account. I had to use the FUSA very quickly, before it had the time to enable the gmail account, to set Pidgin as offline.
[15:11] <Spezl> xixaq: [16:00:52] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 357949 in pidgin "Pidgin crashes when trying to connect to jabber" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/357949
[15:11] <Newbee> koperton: I have looked into the grub menu and unfortunately I have no other kernles to choose
[15:11] <xixaq> Spezl: ah, thanks :)
[15:12] <koperton> Newbee: mmm i think you are fucked then
[15:12] <Spezl> no problem .. and sorry for spamming with the bot, didn't know how to use it ;)
[15:12] <koperton> Newbee: remember , you wanna try a beta or an alpha , install at least 2 different kernel
[15:12] <BUGabundo> xixaq: it can be fixed around by renaming ~/.purple/icons/
[15:13] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: Does the system have multiple hard disks?
[15:14] <xixaq> BUGabundo: what's the side effect of doing that?
[15:14] <BUGabundo> you loose all your avatar cace
[15:14] <BUGabundo> *cache, and from your contacts too
[15:14] <BUGabundo> I like to keep mine... you may not...
[15:14] <Newbee> koperton: I thought about using a live CD, chroot environment and installing a kernel. But it would be goot, if the kernel in the repos would be already fixed.
[15:14] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: no
[15:14] <xixaq> I think I can live with that for now :)
[15:14] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: Do you have any USB mass-storage devices connected during boot?
[15:15] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: no
[15:15] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: I don't have any
[15:15] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: good - those are the two complications that usually cause it. Now, are you using the affected PC now on IRC (from a LiveCD maybe?) or is it a separate PC?
[15:18] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: seperate pc
[15:19] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: OK... I would like to be able to see/read the /boot/grub/menu.lst - have you a way to transfer it to the PC you're using so you can pastebin it?
[15:20] <eagles0513875> question guys im guessing konversation is no longer default with jaunty for irc
[15:22] <sebsebseb> eagles0513875: in kubuntu I guess it is
[15:23] <eagles0513875> sebsebseb: i just did a clean install of jaunty and there was no konversation
[15:23] <RizR> any known issue where upon logout (not shudown just logout)  computer hangs with nvidia splash screen visible with no keyboard/mouse activity. using nvidia 180, nvidia 7800 gtx, dual-head.
[15:23] <eagles0513875> only quassel
[15:23] <Exilant> eagles0513875: no, it's not ported yet
[15:23] <eagles0513875> im using kvirc instead
[15:23] <eagles0513875> Exilant: ahh so its in the process of getting ported right now
[15:24] <sebsebseb> eagles0513875: you can instal it into kubuntu, it's still got KDE3 version in Ubuntu, KDE4 version in the making or whatever
[15:24] <eagles0513875> thats fine i really like kvirc to be honest
[15:24] <eagles0513875> just wondering what happened to it
[15:24] <trulli> serious bug in jaunty? Today jaunty seamd to kick my initrd file in /boot and now I can't boot anymore in the system! Is a bug like this knowen?
[15:24] <IntuitiveNipple> RizR: I see it occassionally but I didn't feel it is related to the nivdia drivers - doing Ctrl+Alt+Del or Alt+SysRq+B would usually cause a restart
[15:24] <hchufeng> any body who can help me ?
[15:24] <Exilant> konversation had a lot of bugs
[15:25] <eagles0513875> Exilant: like what i never had issues
[15:25] <RizR> IntuitiveNipple, thanks. hopefully gets sorted when release comes out :-) I downgraded my driver to 173 just now. lets see if it happens.
[15:26] <Exilant> when it was setup for tls encryption, for example, and the server had an invalid cert, while connecting it stopped, and needed 100 % cpu power
[15:26] <IntuitiveNipple> RizR: I noticed it seems to be a md/lvm device remaining mounted/busy
[15:26] <Exilant> i found that rather annoying
[15:26] <hchufeng> help help!
[15:27] <eagles0513875> !ask | hchufeng
[15:27] <Exilant> hchufeng: what is your question?
[15:27] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: I can use a live CD. But It'll take a few minutes
[15:27] <hchufeng> I want to install the IBUS input methon,but it is the source ,i try to make it.
[15:28] <hchufeng> ubottu: thank you!it's my first use IRC
[15:28] <RizR> IntuitiveNipple, not using lvm. i've got a bluetooth adaptor on a usb :-) and few samba shares. and justthe one hard drive.
[15:28] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: I suspect it could be changed UUID(s) on the file-systems, which you can investigate using /lib/udev/vol_id whilst in the busybox initrd shell
[15:30] <IntuitiveNipple> RizR: I noticed it doesn't happen if the PC logs into X and out again quite soon, but if the X session has been running for some time (user doing 'stuff'), when trying to restart/shutdown it will get 'stuck'
[15:30] <trulli> What could I do now with my grub? It doesn't responde anymore (error 15). And it looks to me that initrd is missing.
[15:30] <thompa> i945GM is still poor graphics, anyone? If I switch the card to nvidia it is fine though
[15:30] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: I have started booting the live-CD. But the are the UUIDs it will give me the same the jaunty kernel finds?
[15:30] <RizR> IntuitiveNipple, is this a reported issue?
[15:30] <RizR> IntuitiveNipple, reported as a bug i mean
[15:30] <thompa> i945GM and compiz at least
[15:31] <hchufeng> ubottu: Do you know hte IBUS input  method?
[15:31] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: The file-system UUIDs are constant if the f-s isn't re-written, I'd want to ensure that they match what is in GRUB's menu.lst
[15:31] <edgy> Hi, lastb in jaunty shows no bad results though I tried some bad loins
[15:31] <thompa> I don't want to use the nvidia switch on notebook cause of battery
[15:31] <edgy> s/loins/logins
[15:32] <trulli> Newbee: do you have problems with your grub too since today?
[15:32] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: I will check it form my live system as soon as it is botted
[15:32] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: OK
[15:32] <Newbee> trulli: I have problems with the kernel not being able to load the root file system anymore
[15:33] <thompa> Newbee: me too just a while ago
[15:33] <trulli> Newbee: error 15 in grub?
[15:33] <dergringo> Hi. I'm trying to use the "always up to date" feature in conduit on a folder <-> folder sync group. But it does not work. I talked to a dev who promised that should work with this version.
[15:34] <hchufeng> disappointed !
[15:36] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: the /boot/ folder seems to be empty. Not good I think
[15:36] <XVampireX> Can anyone help me with firefox in KDE?
[15:36] <Newbee> thompa: I have the problem since todays safe-upgrade
[15:36] <IntuitiveNipple> thompa: trulli: NewBee: it looks like you *might* be sharing the same issue.
[15:36] <XVampireX> For some reason it's thinking that opening the file vs opening the location of the file is the same...
[15:37] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: were you looking on the hard disk mount?
[15:37] <Newbee> trulli: no, grub says nothing. Just initram, because no root file system
[15:37] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: yes, from the live system (an Arch based system)
[15:39] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: what is the mount-point of the hard disk (e.g. /media/disk ) ?
[15:39] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: /mnt/sda8
[15:40] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: on the live system of course. On jaunty the mount point of / is /
[15:41] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: ok, so the hard disk itself has primary and an extended partition with several logical partitions within it
[15:41] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: Just to be sure, does the hard-disk installation use a separate /boot partition ?
[15:41] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: That'd explain the empty /boot/ in the root file-system
[15:42] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: I think so, but I don't know for sure. I was before years, when I partitioned it
[15:42] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: /boot/ must have been found since the PC started the kernel and initrd
[15:42] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: OK, well, check out the other partitions on that disk and look for the /boot/
[15:43] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: oh, yes I think I made a seperate boot partition. Sorry, that I forgot this important issue.
[15:43] <djcip> anyone know how to get skype working with 64bit jaunty ?
[15:43] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: or you could use "grub" and the command "find /boot/stage1" or "find /boot/grub/stage1"
[15:44] <djcip> i downloaded the .deb package from skype, and forced the install with --force-architecture.. but now when i click on skype - it says it doesn't exist lol
[15:44] <IntuitiveNipple> djcip: install it from the medibunti repository
[15:44] <djcip> IntuitiveNipple, gonna need a little more help
[15:44] <IntuitiveNipple> !medibuntu
[15:45] <djcip> IntuitiveNipple, thank ytou
[15:46] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: in the menu.lst the UUID of the /boot/ partition is right
[15:47] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: how about for the root=
[15:49] <thompa> Newbee: I just had a blank screen with curser, did hard shut down and now its ok. I have another issue with intel graphics so going back to nvidia. just fan was too fast
[15:50] <thompa> no prob in alpha though
[15:50] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: seems to be ok
[15:51] <djcip> gah
[15:51] <thompa> xubuntu is working better actually
[15:51] <djcip> ok - how do i get skype to install...
[15:51] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: in the initram I have found no devices except from the ttys. So I think the kernel cannot handle the devices anymore.
[15:52] <Newbee> thompa: I only get an ash in the initram
[15:52] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: Depending on what caused the init script to break, that can be entirely expected... it simply hasn't got around to doing that as yet
[15:54] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: whilst you're in the live-CD can you pastebin that menu.lst ?
[15:54] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: and also the results of a few commands I need to see the results of
[15:54] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: sorry, I don't understand. What do you mean?  I am not a native English speaker, so this was too much for me, sry
[15:54] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: of course
[15:55] <djcip> IntuitiveNipple, how do i fix this
[15:55] <djcip> http://pastebin.com/m1cf30f38
[15:55] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: When the kernel starts, and loads the initrd image, it runs the 'init' script which populates the read-only temporary root with devices and so on. If something breaks before all that is done /dev/ and /sys/ and others won't have all the expected entries
[15:56] <IntuitiveNipple> djcip: You're installing it the wrong way. You should add the medibuntu repository to the apt sources list, then do "sudo apt-get update" and then "sudo apt-get skype"
[15:57] <djcip> ok..
[15:57] <IntuitiveNipple> djcip: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu#Adding%20the%20Repositories
[15:57] <djcip> hopefully i haven't messed things up too bad already
[15:57] <djcip> yup i did add it - i forgot to update
[15:57] <IntuitiveNipple> djcip: ahhh, that'd not help :)
[15:58] <djcip> hahaha yah lol
[15:58] <djcip> IntuitiveNipple, help help -
[15:59] <djcip> http://pastebin.com/mceee5cf
[15:59] <djcip> infinite loop for the loose
[15:59] <djcip> i run keep getting stuck there
[16:00] <IntuitiveNipple> djcip: Did you do the step: "Then, add the GPG Key: ..." ?
[16:00] <thompa> OK turning off compiz solved all my fan issues
[16:00]  * djcip looks at feed
[16:01] <djcip> *feet
[16:01]  * XVampireX is enjoying this thing called kubuntu jaunty jackalope
[16:01] <edgy> why lastb is not working?
[16:02] <djcip> holy crap - its working... but do i have mic support
[16:02] <djcip> that is the question
[16:04] <Newbee_> so: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/147700/
[16:05] <Newbee_> IntuitiveNipple: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/147700/
[16:05] <Newbee_> IntuitiveNipple: that's the menu.lst
[16:06] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: thanks
[16:07] <djcip> flash for firefox for x64 ?
[16:08] <djcip> is there an easy way without wrappers ?
[16:08] <crdlb> the adobe-flashplugin package will install the native amd64 version
[16:08] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: Can you pastebin the output of "blkid" too?
[16:09] <Newbee_> IntuitiveNipple: It outupts nothing
[16:09] <IntuitiveNipple> ahhh, that's an Arch live-CD isn't it?
[16:09] <IntuitiveNipple> maybe they don't have it
[16:10] <IntuitiveNipple> does "vol_id /dev/sda8" report something? if so I'll give you a little shell script to run
[16:12] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee_: try this: for vol in /dev/sda?; do echo $vol; sudo vol_id $vol; done
[16:13] <eagles0513875> hey guys where can i change the themes of the desktop :( seems like the thing in system settings to do that isnt there no more :(
[16:14] <Newbee_> IntuitiveNipple: vol_id command not found
[16:14] <calc> eagles0513875: system->preferences->appearance
[16:14] <IntuitiveNipple> System > Preferences > Appearance > Theme
[16:14] <Newbee_> IntuitiveNipple: Is this a Debian tool?
[16:14] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: Debian/Ubuntu yes
[16:14] <eagles0513875> heheh thanks calc pulled a noobie lol
[16:15] <Newbee_> Newbee: this live system is not Debian based. So this will be the reason
[16:15] <Newbee_> IntuitiveNipple: this live system is not Debian based. So this will be the reason
[16:15] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: yeah, I keep forgetting it's Arch
[16:18] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee_: Does this report all the /dev/sda? volumes and UUIDs? "ls -l  /dev/disk/by-uuid"
[16:18] <Newbee_> IntuitiveNipple: I think so. This is how I got the UUIDs to check
[16:19] <Newbee_> IntuitiveNipple: I mean to compare with those from the menu.lst
[16:19] <Newbee_> IntuitiveNipple: Shall I paste the output?
[16:20] <mbeierl> Doh!  Just restarted after updates and got hit by the Pidgin XMPP bug :(
[16:23] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: Yes please
[16:25] <Newbee_> IntuitiveNipple: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/147717/
[16:27] <djcip> ugg i have audio issues :(
[16:29] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee_: thanks, that checks out. Now, I would like to see a listing of what's in the /boot/ partition.
[16:29] <Conic> Any chance of this being an option in Jaunty? http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_7.04/Issues/USB-SATA_race_condition_causes_hang
[16:29] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee_: So, I think the /boot/ will be mounted at /mnt/sda9 ? If so, can you show me "ls -l /mnt/sda9/"
[16:29] <Conic> my computer needs it to boot Ubuntu.
[16:30] <Newbee_> IntuitiveNipple: I have to thank you. Here is the output: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/147720/
[16:33] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: those sizes look good... that initrd image is slightly smaller than the one here, but that is to be expected.
[16:33] <FFEMTcJ> I just applied the most recient updates and now my computer seems like its lagging alot.. anyone else have an issue like that?
[16:35] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee_: I think now what we need is for you to restart the PC and go into its GRUB menu at boot and select the recovery option. That'll prevent the splash screen and show the kernel messages as it start and *should* give us some clues, if the messages don't scroll off the screen!  You'll need to press Escape as GRUB loads.
[16:35] <mbeierl> FFEMTcJ: I just rebooted after updates about 20 minutes ago and do not notice any lags
[16:35] <FFEMTcJ> normally not a good idea to ask a quesi adleave the room.. heh
[16:36] <mbeierl> FFEMTcJ: can you describe the "lag" feeling?
[16:36] <Newbee_> IntuitiveNipple: ok. I'll try it. Going off, now
[16:37] <FFEMTcJ> mouse is not responsive like its supposed to be... keyboard too.. have to wait sometimes up to 10 seconds for the mouse/keyboard to respond
[16:37] <FFEMTcJ> ond
[16:37] <Eruaran> reporting lots of bugs tonight after latest updates
[16:38] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: "waiting for root file system"
[16:38] <mbeierl> FFEMTcJ: hard disk activity during that time?
[16:38] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: ok, so I know where it is in the init script
[16:39] <FFEMTcJ> shouldnt be.. i have one terminal and one FF open.. and awn running
[16:39] <uffo> how to check that wireless card is present, i cannot get intel 9345abg card to work on 9.04
[16:39] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: and then "dev/disk/by-uuid/$root_UUID not found"
[16:39] <FFEMTcJ> its immediatly after i reboot the computer with nothing running other than the session apps
[16:39] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: Nice! that should help narrow this down alot... that suggests a udev issue
[16:40] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: what do you mean? Do you think I sould look in the init script?
[16:40] <mbeierl> FFEMTcJ: so, mouse lags behind actual movement, keyboard type takes time to show up... did you try with plain old metacity or some other lightweight (?!?) window manager just in case?
[16:40] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: I'm checking it now to work back from the failure point to where it ought to have found and populated the devices
[16:40] <FFEMTcJ> no.. how do i do that?
[16:41] <mbeierl> FFEMTcJ: do you use gnome or kde?
[16:41] <FFEMTcJ> gnome
[16:42] <mbeierl> FFEMTcJ: start a new terminal, then enter "metacity --replace &"
[16:42] <FFEMTcJ> and this is on both my desktop and laptop... so it atleast doesnt sound like a my computer problem
[16:42] <FFEMTcJ> maybe
[16:42] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: The best thing for us would be if you could connect the two PCs with a null-modem serial cable so we could capture the kernel boot messages on the good PC to inspect... do the PCs both have serial ports? do you have access to a null-modem cable?
[16:42] <mbeierl> FFEMTcJ: that should cause awn to terminate and metacity to take over
[16:43] <FFEMTcJ> yup
[16:43] <mbeierl> any better?
[16:43] <FFEMTcJ> i guess its an awn problem
[16:43] <mbeierl> too bad, I quite enjoy awn
[16:43] <djcip> ok - i have a Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller audio card - and i cannot seem to capture any audio from the built-in microphones that are in my laptop - help!
[16:43] <FFEMTcJ> so do i
[16:44] <mbeierl> FFEMTcJ: I was wary of mixing beta OS with beta window manager... probably some change in X needs to be propagated to awn.  Suggest contacting the developers and letting them know your experience
[16:44] <ricochet> hey guys i am running Xubuntu 9.04 on my dell mini 9 and I was wondering how the heck i disable touchpad clicking and scrolling
[16:45] <FFEMTcJ> already on it... hehe
[16:45] <FFEMTcJ> mbeierl: how do I go back?
[16:45] <mbeierl> back to awn?
[16:45] <mbeierl> because you have it in your session startup, just log out + in should do it
[16:46] <FFEMTcJ> ok.. wasnt sure if the metacity command thing did anything perminate
[16:46] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: I don't think that I have such a calble, but I'll have a look at the small collection of calbles I own.
[16:46] <mbeierl> Nope, it's just taken over temporarily
[16:46] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: ok, one thing we forgot to check whilst you had the live-CD going! We should have looked at /mnt/sda8/etc/fstab to check the root (/) mount had the correct UUID / reference too... next time, remember to look at that :)
[16:46] <mbeierl> ricochet: In gnome, using the gconf-editor I was able to "disable" the touchpad permanently
[16:47] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: I don't think that is it, but we should have checked :)
[16:47] <nemo> mbeierl: can also do it in xorg.conf :)
[16:47] <mbeierl> ricochet: is it a synaptics touchpad?  Does the syndaemon thing work for you?
[16:47] <nemo> mbeierl: I turned off the touchpad by just only using the external mouse input device.
[16:47] <mbeierl> nemo: How?  That is how, without also losing the "nipple of wisdom" little blue thing in the centre of the keyboard?
[16:47] <mbeierl> nemo: oh!
[16:48] <nemo> mbeierl: well. you can use that too of course
[16:48] <nemo> secondary mouse
[16:48] <nemo> mbeierl: xorg.conf allows for multiple pointing devices
[16:49] <mbeierl> nemo: I don't have a mouse input section in my xorg anymore, so I didn't think to go editing it... the gconf thing worked perfectly for me as it disables the touchpad for my userid only
[16:49] <mbeierl> ricochet: did this answer your question?
[16:49] <nemo> mbeierl: good enough :)
[16:50] <nemo> mbeierl: personally, I'd love it if someone could recommend a netbook without a !@#$ touchpad
[16:50] <mbeierl> nemo: TELL ME ABOUT IT!
[16:50] <nemo> waste of space. if I want a pointing device, I'll plug one in, or use a lil' nipple
[16:50] <nemo> and gets in the way of course
[16:50] <mbeierl> I guess the nipples are more expensive than the touchpad?
[16:50] <nemo> mbeierl: I think they assume people only know how to use the touchpad
[16:50] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: ok, but do I have any chance to do something in this mode? Or shall I return to the Live-CD and check, what won't be the problem?
[16:51] <nemo> mbeierl: pretty sure the touchpads are more expensive
[16:51] <nemo> mbeierl: there was a lovely subnotebook - a myvaio I think, years ago that was like that
[16:51] <nemo> but. it is horribly out of date these days
[16:51] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: Hold it there for a few minutes, I'm working through the init scripts figuring out what might be happening and how to prove it
[16:51] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: I think that the kernel itself is the problem and so I maybe should install a new in a chroot environment.
[16:51] <mbeierl> So, speaking of xorg.conf, anyone else here using a 7000-series nvidia and has the problem with display not refreshing properly?
[16:51] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: ok
[16:52] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: It looks like the initrd might be missing something, but there's some things we can check first
[16:52] <mbeierl> nemo: my only experience with netbooks these days are my daughter's asus which is amazing now that easypeasy is on it
[16:52] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: You say there is nothing but tty entries in /dev/ ?
[16:53] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: try doing "ls -al /dev/" - that should show up some hidden entries for udev
[16:53] <ricochet> mbeierl: how do i tell?
[16:53] <mbeierl> ricochet: sorry, tell what?  if it's synaptics?
[16:53] <ricochet> yes
[16:53] <ricochet> its a dell mini 9..
[16:54] <ricochet> sorry i am a noob
[16:54] <mbeierl> np
[16:54] <mbeierl> I thought I knew, but... can't seem to find it
[16:54] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: and /dev/null and /dev/console
[16:54] <roman> @ mbeierl - 7600 here and no problems so far
[16:54] <nemo> mbeierl: I ended up screwing around with the pointing devices due to an annoying xorg bug that worked in conjunction with opengl (or was it SDL? I forget) and synaptic to cause a nasty X lockup
[16:55] <nemo> mbeierl: fortunately has been fixed now - but I had quite a few pointer configurations
[16:55] <mbeierl> ricochet: go to a terminal, and run "syndaemon -i 2" and tell me, what's the output?
[16:55] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: so no /dev/.initramfs ?
[16:55] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: "." ; ".." ; ".initramfs" ; ".initramfs-tools"
[16:56] <mbeierl> roman: what do you have for options in xorg.conf for nvidia - and do you use compiz?
[16:56] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: these are the hidden entries
[16:56] <deany> just tried out jaunty UNR on a stick on my mothers mini, very nice.. v nice indeed.
[16:56] <ricochet> mbeierl: nothing happened
[16:56] <mbeierl> ricochet: ok, so it's still "running" then...
[16:56] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: okay, no /dev/.udev/
[16:56] <roman> mbeierl: no, i don't use compiz. i haven't touched my xorg conf at all by myself, just through nvidia-settings
[16:57] <murlidhar> ok i have download the alternative iso file ... now i want to mount it and upgrade my system...how do i do it ?
[16:57] <ricochet> mbeierl: it says Enable Disable
[16:57] <mbeierl> ricochet: now go to another terminal, and then start typing...
[16:57] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: give me a couple of minutes, I'm going to reproduce this in a virtual machine
[16:57] <mbeierl> ricochet: Excellent!
[16:57] <mbeierl> ricochet: what that means is you DO have a synaptics touchpad and the "syndaemon" is a program that can automatically disable your touchpad when you type
[16:58] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: ok, if you can do something like that, I will wait of course.
[16:58] <murlidhar> mount: /home/murlidhar/Downloads/ubuntu-9.04-beta-alternate-i386.iso is not a block device (maybe try `-o loop'?)
[16:58] <mbeierl> ricochet: it disables it for the "-i " amount of time.  In this case 2 seconds after you type a key
[16:58] <murlidhar> :(
[16:58] <murlidhar> this is the error i get
[16:58] <ricochet> mbeierl: thats cool! is there a way to stop this thing from scrolling or clicking?
[16:58] <murlidhar> murlidhar@linux-desktop:~$ sudo mount /home/murlidhar/Downloads/ubuntu-9.04-beta-alternate-i386.iso /media/cdrom0/
[16:58] <murlidhar> i did this
[16:59] <mbeierl> ricochet: I thought that while it says "disable" scrolling and clicking are stopped...
[17:00] <ricochet> well i dont want it to touchpad click or scroll at all
[17:00] <murlidhar> got it !!!!!
[17:00] <murlidhar> :)
[17:00] <mbeierl> ricochet: but you do want it to move mouse?
[17:01] <mbeierl> ricochet: control-c in the syndaemon window, and try this instead: "synclient TouchpadOff=1"
[17:01] <ricochet> mbeierl: yes, i dont want touchpad clicking or scrolling
[17:02] <ricochet> i want my buttons to do the clicking and such.. i am tired of accidentily clicking it
[17:02] <IntuitiveNipple> murlidhar: sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop /home/murlidhar/Downloads/ubuntu-9.04-beta-alternate-i386.iso /media/cdrom0
[17:02] <deany> ricochet, theres no option in mouse properties? there is in 8.10
[17:02] <ricochet> no, not in Xubuntu
[17:02] <deany> oh...i see
[17:03] <murlidhar> IntuitiveNipple: thanks i got anyways
[17:03] <ricochet> mbeierl: when i do that it says Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled?
[17:04] <mbeierl> ricochet: ok.  Just came across this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad ... maybe it'll help?
[17:04] <mbeierl> it says of Xubu to use qsynaptics
[17:05] <ricochet> qsynaptics?
[17:05] <ricochet> not gsynaptics?
[17:05] <mbeierl> ricochet: gsynaptics would be gnome, no?
[17:05] <ricochet> haha crap
[17:06] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: right, I've now got a virtual machine (VM) broken at roughly the same place and I have the busybox prompt. So, we can at least compare what should be there against what your system sees
[17:08] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: How have you broken it? By a safe-upgrade? Or did you some tricks to make it fail there?
[17:09] <IntuitiveNipple> No, it is possible to force a break by adding "break=XXXXX" to the kernel's command-line (in GRUB menu)
[17:09] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: where XXXX is some word like "top" or "modules" or  "pre-mount" or "mount" and so on
[17:13] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: ok, interesting.
[17:13] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: ok, I can recreate your scenario by using break=premount. This means that the udev daemon hasn't been started, so it looks as if the problem for your PC is before that point (or udev is failing) so let's find out if udev is running
[17:15] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: how can I do that?
[17:15] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: do "ps | grep udev"   - you should see something like "816 0         8232 S <  /sbin/udevd --daemon --resolve-names=never"
[17:15] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: if you don't see the udevd process listed it means it either failed or never started
[17:16] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: ok, I see that
[17:16] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: Really!? wow, I'd have betted it wasn't running. That makes this issue much more interesting :D
[17:18] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: ok, I would be nice if I could share a little understandig for this "interesting" issue.
[17:18] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: the thing that springs immediately to my mind is that the hard disk driver modules aren't loaded, which implies the system has some unusual type of hard disk controller
[17:19] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: *but* the fact the /dev/ hasn't been populated with entries for other devices suggests there's a udev issue
[17:19] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: extremely hard to figure out remotely, this kind of thing :)
[17:20] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: You're sure there is no /dev/.udv/ directory? ("ls -al /dev/.udev/") ?
[17:20] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: oops
[17:20] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: You're sure there is no /dev/.udev/ directory? ("ls -al /dev/.udev/") ?
[17:21] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: oh, there is one. I must have overseen it, sry
[17:22] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: ahhh! ok
[17:23] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: let's drill down into it.
[17:23] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: does that mean, that udev is a virtual divice?
[17:23] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: check with this: "ls -al /dev/.udev/db/"
[17:23] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: you should see entries similar to this format "\x2fdevices\x2fvirtual\x2fblock\x2floop0 -> loop0 block/7:0"
[17:24] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: the db folder does not exist. Only rules.d and uevent_sequnum are in /dev/.udev/
[17:24] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: Here's what the VM shows: http://paste.ubuntu.com/147750/
[17:25] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: haha! ok, that should narrow the window down for where the problem is
[17:26] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: ok, good. What do you think?
[17:26] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: I'm Googling it :0
[17:26] <Spezl> why is flashplugin-nonfree shown as being blocked in kpackagekit? apt-get upgrade won't install it too .. can i do anything about it?
[17:27] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: ok. But I have no idea what this db means at all.
[17:27] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: the one person I'd ask about this isn't around at present, unfortunately
[17:27] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: "db" is short for "database" and it is where the udev (userspace device manager) keeps a record of every device the kernel tells it about
[17:29] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: I may have found an Ubuntu bug report for your issue. Take a look, tell me if you see the udevd error reports "unable to create db file..." as reported here: bug #333614
[17:33] <djcip> ok - why is the sound louder in my left ear than my right ear
[17:33] <djcip> and how do i correct this?
[17:34] <djcip> i presume it has to do with the channels... left and right channels
[17:34] <djcip> but how do i equal them out again
[17:34] <Ienorand> Hello, regarding Bug 284377, do you know exactly when the kernel was updated from 2.6.26 to 2.6.27, was that in connection with Hardy->Ibex?
[17:34] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: we're covered so much I've forgotten what originally caused this. Did the PC have a version of Jaunty already installed and you did a package upgrade and it broke, or was the upgrade from an earlier release (Intrepid, Hardy, etc.) ?
[17:35] <Ienorand> djcip: You have looked through volume controls?
[17:35] <IntuitiveNipple> Ienorand: no, it was when Intrepid changed kernel versions during development
[17:35] <djcip> Ienorand, i think so.. is there somewhere to control specifically left and right channel
[17:36] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: I had Jaunty and a safe-upgrade caused this
[17:36] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: that upgrade ran today?
[17:36] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: when was the last time that system did an upgrade?
[17:36] <Newbee> It says: Running /scripts/init-premount... ; udevram trigger is not permitted while udev is unconfigured ; done "
[17:37] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: yes, today.
[17:37] <djcip> Ienorand, they show that all my bars are equal to eachother anywhere there are 2 bars
[17:37] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: haha!
[17:37] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: it must have been between 12:00 and 14:00 that the system did this upgrade
[17:37] <Ienorand> djcip: There is usually more than one volume control which affects overall volume, take a look at all of them (perferences and tick all options) and see if any of them are off balance...
[17:38] <djcip> yup did that
[17:38] <djcip> Ienorand, all of them are checked - every channel has equal settings
[17:38] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: normaly I do at least once in 24h a safe-upgrade. When the system in running of course
[17:38] <djcip> Ienorand, the disproportion is also audible on my laptop speakers - so its not my headphones
[17:39] <Ienorand> djcip: Then I really don't know... Something in the sound application?
[17:39] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: ok... that error message, is that the 'exact' text (with no spelling mistakes) or your best memory of it? (I'm trying to find it in the scripts)
[17:40] <djcip> its skype but i imagine its idenpendent of the application..
[17:40] <djcip> idk
[17:40] <djcip> i'll check
[17:40] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: a mixture. I took notes, but cause I' am not a native speaker and I did them fast, I'll have another look.
[17:41] <Halow> Skype has some setting to auto adjust your sound settings.
[17:41] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: thanks... if you can catch that one I can find out where it is generated
[17:41] <Newbee> udevadm trigger is not permitted while udev is unconfigured
[17:42] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: this is what I have found
[17:44] <Ienorand> djcip: Test out just playing some test audio with another app
[17:46] <LogicalDash> Is it just me, or has Pidgin started crashing on login to google talk?
[17:48] <IntuitiveNipple> LogicalDash:  bug #357949
[17:48] <LogicalDash> tyvm
[17:49] <djcip> now i'm not getting sound in firefox :(
[17:49] <Ienorand> IntuitiveNipple: I've been wondering about the "no net" bug mentioned (I've got it right that you are TJ?): If disabling network-manager does resolve the issue, can one rule out kernel issues with certainty?
[17:49] <Ienorand> djcip: Are you on KDE?
[17:50] <djcip> Ienorand,  gnome
[17:50] <IntuitiveNipple> Ienorand: I don't think so since the error in that ifconfig test clearly comes from the kernel. It looks as if - somehow - NM causes it though
[17:51] <Ienorand> IntuitiveNipple: Okay... then should I put back a non-invalid tag on the kernel in that bug then?
[17:52] <IntuitiveNipple> Ienorand: for now yes... set it to 'in progress' since I'm still considering it but not seen anything to give me inspiration so far :)
[17:52] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: did you find it? By the way, where can I find the init script so that I can have a little look at it?
[17:52] <IntuitiveNipple> Ienorand: If I had the hardware to reproduce it a solution would be much easier
[17:53] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: no, I can't find it in the initrd scripts, binaries, or the udev source-code itself.
[17:53] <Ienorand> djcip: hmm... I am probably at just as much a loss as you... sorry
[17:54] <djcip> Ienorand, needed to apt-get install alsa-oss
[17:54] <IntuitiveNipple> NewbeeL /usr/share/initramfs-tools/init
[17:54] <djcip> and now i have both right and left at equal volumes
[17:54] <Ienorand> IntuitiveNipple: If you want anything tested I'll gladly try it out.
[17:55] <IntuitiveNipple> Ienorand: its more a case of being able to actively debug it with tools
[17:55] <djcip> Ienorand, the volume is soo low though
[17:55] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: but, when the system can output it, the programmers must have written it somewhere.
[17:56] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: Could you reboot the PC and possibly take a digital photograph that captures the error message?
[17:56] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: yes... i've tried searching on various shorter versions and fragments of the message you reportef but can't find anything that even remotely matches it
[17:56] <IntuitiveNipple> s/reported/reported/
[17:58] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: in forum in my native language some could fix the problem by booting an old kernel and then doing a dkkg --configure -a. So it might be an upgrade failure. But I have no other kernel installed.
[17:59] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: @picture: I have to begg my brother for his cam first. Will take a few minutes. I do not one one for myself ;-(
[17:59] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: haha! that error messages - it doesn't occur when the PC boots, is that right? It occurs when the udev package was being upgraded?
[17:59] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: don't worry about the photo !
[18:00] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: here's someone else with the same report. not sure if it is also your issue but it is a clue to helping me understand it.  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1085346
[18:00] <djcip> Ienorand, that fixed everything now
[18:01] <djcip> of course i get a buzz sometimes
[18:01] <djcip> but w/e
[18:01] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: what I found was in a German forum. And I understand German much better than English, so I was happy about that ;-) .
[18:02] <djcip> Ienorand, i just turned down my overall levels - now no more buzz
[18:02] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: OK, let me clear since I've reread what you reported and compared it against that forum report.
[18:02] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: You see the "udevadm trigger is not permitted while udev is unconfigured" when the PC is booting, just before it leaves you at the initrd busybox prompt?
[18:02] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: but the guy on that forum reported the message as coming up during the boot process. And what he pasted was what I see
[18:03] <sparr> FATAL: Error inserting usb_storage (/lib/modules/2.6.28-11-generic/kernel/drivers/usb/storage/usb-storage.ko): Cannot allocate memory
[18:03] <sparr> same error trying to insert any additional modules
[18:03] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: you mean on the German languahe forum? can you give me the link?
[18:03] <Ienorand> djcip: Glad to hear, sorry I wasn't much of help though.
[18:03] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/nach-update-bootet-laptop-nicht-mehr/ . There is what I see
[18:03] <sparr> is anyone else encountering this in jaunty?
[18:05] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: I think this is the cause then: "Der Updatevorgang hatte (warum auch immer) automatisch einen Neustart veranlasst obwohl die neuen Pakete zwar installiert aber eben noch nicht konfiguriert waren"
[18:05] <amon__> he Newbee did you try " sudo dpkg --configure -a " ?
[18:05] <IntuitiveNipple> amon__ He can't, not directly, the PC fails in the initrd.
[18:06] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: I think the best solution is to use the live-CD to chroot the hard disk installation and fix the upgrades
[18:07] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: I'm not sure how successful doing that from Arch might be, though
[18:07] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: in *theory* it should be okay
[18:07] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: Than I would need a jaunty live CD I think. And then chroot to / and /boot and dpkg --configure -a ?
[18:08] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: You *ought* to be able to use arch to create the chroot jail... something like what I'm about to pastebin for you...
[18:10] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: I have the jaunty iso still available. So I think about burning it to a CD-RW. So I can make use of all the Debian tools if I need to.
[18:11] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: http://paste.ubuntu.com/147783/
[18:12] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: just make sure I've used the correct /dev/sda? for / and /boot
[18:13] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: I will check this by the contents of the filesystems
[18:15] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: I'm pretty sure if the live-CD maintains the same mapping as earlier
[18:21] <declanpwalsh> Hello! Anyone having USB issues?
[18:21] <ode> hi
[18:21] <BUGabundo> declanpwalsh: what kind?
[18:21] <BUGabundo> ode: hi, welcome
[18:22] <ode> 'set completion-ignore-case on' is not working for me in jaunty
[18:22] <declanpwalsh> Not recognising usb flashdrive at all
[18:22] <ode> anyone else experiencing this?
[18:22] <BUGabundo> declanpwalsh: humm does it work on another PC?
[18:23] <declanpwalsh> I'm sure it was ok yesterday. Tried two devices and updated and restarted. Im on Kubuntu jaunty
[18:23] <declanpwalsh> Works fine on windows
[18:23] <declanpwalsh> well, windows on another machine.
[18:23] <IntuitiveNipple> ode bug #243489
[18:23] <declanpwalsh> worked fine until yesterday
[18:25] <Halow> Woah. Netsplit.
[18:25] <BUGabundo> declanpwalsh: stuff breaks
[18:25] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: how are you getting on?
[18:25] <XVampireX> Folks is flash working fine for everyone on 64bit?
[18:26] <Ienorand> declanpwalsh: sparr was having just the same issue here before
[18:26] <fosco__> XVampireX, yes for me
[18:26] <declanpwalsh> True. I'll try again on another machine and see. I'll try other device again.
[18:26] <Ienorand> XVampireX: for me yes
[18:26] <XVampireX> And you're using flash from the repos right?
[18:26] <ode> ah, thanks
[18:26] <fosco__> XVampireX, yes
[18:26] <Ienorand> [QUOTE:] sparr	FATAL: Error inserting usb_storage (/lib/modules/2.6.28-11-generic/kernel/drivers/usb/storage/usb-storage.ko): Cannot allocate memory
[18:27] <declanpwalsh> Ienorand: Thanks. I'll check launchpad
[18:27] <fosco__> 32bits flash + nspluginwrapper
[18:27] <Ienorand> declanpwalsh: I did look around briefly and saw nothing
[18:28] <Spezl> can anyone tell me why flashplugin-nonfree is shown as being blocked in kpackagekit? apt-get upgrade won't install it too .. can i do anything about it?
[18:29] <fosco__> Spezl, try sudo aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
[18:29] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: burned CD
[18:29] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: will reboot now
[18:29] <Ienorand> Spezl: Hmm, it was blocked in apt-get for me as well, but it updated fine using update-manager
[18:30] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: ahh ok, thought you were going to try with Arch :)
[18:30] <Holek_> and I got no sound in flash ;o
[18:30] <BUGabundo> Spezl: building depencies, maybe?
[18:31] <Spezl> BUGabundo: how can i check?
[18:31] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: I am more familiar with kubuntu. I am using this since 3 years. I ony have Arch to have a look at.
[18:31] <BUGabundo> Spezl: it should be the symptoms you have
[18:32] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: ok :)
[18:32] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: let's hope this does it!
[18:33] <Spezl> BUGabundo: so what am i going to do? :)
[18:33] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: I too. But at least I have learned a little bit about my system.
[18:33] <XVampireX> Well can anyone help me with flash on linux? >_<
[18:33] <BUGabundo> Spezl: wait for it to build?
[18:34] <bmunger> is there some special way to submit a bug report.. i submitted one a while ago but it hasnt been touched
[18:34] <IntuitiveNipple> You can get some clues as to why packages are held-back with apt-get by adding the option "-o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true" to the command-line
[18:34] <BUGabundo> bmunger: what was it?
[18:35] <bmunger> hold on getting the link
[18:35] <Spezl> BUGabundo: ah, now i got it .. sorry, quite new to linux and no native english speaker :)
[18:35] <bmunger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/356287
[18:35] <BUGabundo> Spezl: no prob
[18:35] <bmunger> neat it responds with the bug
[18:36] <bmunger> it won't let me select the package affected either because it says its not in ubuntu even though its on the list
[18:36] <IntuitiveNipple> bmunger: yeah, you just need to put bug #1
[18:36] <bmunger> so i think there's a bug in the bug reporter
[18:37] <IntuitiveNipple> what package are you trying to select?
[18:37] <bmunger> plasmoid-networkmanager
[18:38] <BUGabundo> bmunger: unfortunatelly NM plasmoid is very broken
[18:38] <bmunger> u'Package plasmoid-networkmanager not published in Ubuntu'
[18:38] <bmunger> yea it is very broken
[18:38] <bmunger> but im concerned why my bug hasnt been assigned, touched, or anything
[18:38] <BUGabundo> bmunger: try to use gnome-networkmanager
[18:38] <bmunger> but im using kde
[18:39] <BUGabundo> it also works
[18:39] <bmunger> its not a big deal now im just testing it in vmware but its a glaring issue thats so close to release and nobody has filed a report on it
[18:39] <IntuitiveNipple> yeah, i can confirm that doesn't like it
[18:39] <bmunger> did i do something wrong on the bug filing?
[18:40] <bmunger> thanks IntuitiveNipple
[18:40] <bmunger> if its still broke by release i will use the gnome one i guess
[18:41] <IntuitiveNipple> I was confirming the weird launchpad behaviour - just to be clear :)
[18:41] <bmunger> thought so
[18:42] <bmunger> so did i screw up the bug report and thats why nobody has seen it or are the devs too busy
[18:42] <BUGabundo> too busy
[18:42] <IntuitiveNipple> bmunger: sorted. there's two entries and one is incorrectly spelt
[18:42] <IntuitiveNipple> bmunger: "plasmoid-network-manager"
[18:42] <bmunger> i mean i look at the others reported.. such trivial things and they seem to get responded to much faster
[18:42] <BUGabundo> not many devs on the Kubuntu team either
[18:42] <IntuitiveNipple> bmunger: I've added it now
[18:42] <bmunger> thanks IntuitiveNipple
[18:42] <bmunger> ok
[18:43] <IntuitiveNipple> bmunger: hah! spoke too soon, it threw both out now!
[18:43] <bmunger> weird
[18:43] <IntuitiveNipple> that *was* weird, it initally accepted it, or so I thought
[18:43] <bmunger> maybe i need to file a bug report for the bug reporter
[18:43] <bmunger> heh
[18:43] <Ienorand> You also getting timouts here and there in lp?
[18:44] <IntuitiveNipple> It's definitely a luanchpad bug: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasmoid-network-manager
[18:45] <BUGabundo> its bug day, after all
[18:45] <BUGabundo> it can cause timeouts
[18:46] <BUGabundo> see you tommorrow
[18:47] <bmunger> cool thats a nice bit of information.. the version number is scary low too
[18:48] <bmunger> hasn't been an update in more than a month
[18:51] <ode> since I know https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash/+bug/243489 is broken in 9.04 do I need to do anything else to mark it as effecting Jaunty specifically?
[18:52] <IntuitiveNipple> bmunger: Bug #358630
[18:53] <IntuitiveNipple> ode: no, the fact it is current means it affects the latest version
[18:53] <ode> ah, thanks
[18:54] <IntuitiveNipple> ode: you could check upstream/other distros to see if it is Ubuntu specific... if it is, it might be easier to fix since it'll be in the ubuntu patches
[18:54] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: it works
[18:54] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: YAY *party-time*
[18:54] <Newbee> Year, that's great.
[18:55] <IntuitiveNipple> I think we needa bug report for that, but it is difficult to know where to post it
[18:56] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: thank you for your help
[18:58] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: you're welcome. I'm trying to find out where to post that configure bug now
[19:00] <bmunger> thank you IntuitiveNipple
[19:00] <XVampireX> Hmm
[19:00] <bmunger> i will watch that one and see if they touch it
[19:00] <XVampireX> Flash seems to be working only without hardware acceleration
[19:01] <maek> anyone know how to disable metacity? Its not listed in the startup applications anymore as "window manager"
[19:05] <Veinor> How on earth did I just get 130+ updates given that I checked for them yesterday?
[19:06] <crdlb> Veinor: final freeze :)
[19:06] <Veinor> Ah.
[19:07] <crdlb> I expect updates will be quite slow from now on
[19:08] <Veinor> So this is basically final unless we find a bug that will format your hard drive or whatever?
[19:08] <Veinor> And by we I mean you.
[19:10] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: ok, that's a good idea to save some others time ;-) . I'd like to help, but I have to leave and do some karate now.
[19:11] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: ok, thanks for sticking with it. we're reporting it now
[19:11] <Ienorand> Veinor: Just all fixes will have to be confirmed by release-team et al
[19:12] <deany> i`ll just hold off, rather than update every file a million times :) sounds quite messy
[19:12] <panaggio> after my last apt-get upgrade yesterday, my main partition is only getting mounted ro
[19:13] <ode> i had a look at fedora and opensuse bug trackers and couldn't see anything that looked the same
[19:13] <edgy> Hi, when I choose mobile broadband -> add I don't see a list of providers, how can I display the list?
[19:13] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: and thanks for your attemps to explain the problem to me. I like learning something about the software I am using.
[19:13] <bmunger> IntuitiveNipple: i foudn the problem, those packages have been deleted, it was changed to plasma-widget-network-manager
[19:13] <bmunger> i hope that makes a difference
[19:14] <Ienorand> panaggio: I think it updated fstab recently, did you have a manual config?
[19:14] <ode> upstream bash changelog is pretty extensive, but i don't think it's there either
[19:14] <panaggio> lenorand: no. I have never edited fstab on this install
[19:15] <IntuitiveNipple> bmunger: really? but there is still a package being published? strange
[19:16] <Joker_-_> Anyone here uses something similar to torrentflux (or torrentflux-b4rt)? I'm looking for a web based torrent download client.
[19:16] <panaggio> lenorand: if I remount it (mount -o remount,rw /) I can do a lot of things with root. But with other users, I cando almost nothing =/
[19:16] <Joker_-_> I'm wondering if theres anything newer than torrentflux has it hasnt been updated for almost a year
[19:17] <bmunger> IntuitiveNipple: yea someone didn't clean up apparently
[19:19] <Ienorand> panaggio: Are they in the plugdev group? and what does "cat /etc/fstab" give you (pastebin.com)
[19:19] <Exilant> my user wasn't in group users, while trying to fix it i accidentally took me out of all groups. can someone type "id (primaryusername)" or so and tell me the output?
[19:19] <tech404> IntuitiveNipple, Deluge is about as good as it gets. With the Jaunty update you have the client run in the background whenever you want and you can connect to it with CLI,GUI, and web
[19:20] <Picassotamus> is 8.04->9.04 going to be a supported upgrade path?
[19:20] <tech404> Joker_-_,  See my message to IntuitiveNipple. IntuitiveNipple, plz disregard
[19:21] <IntuitiveNipple> tech404: ahhh! I was getting very confused there
[19:21] <Ienorand> Exilant: http://www.mibbit.com/pb/KD80sK
[19:21] <janakaclk> Picassotamus: didnt get what you ment by upgrade path
[19:22] <Picassotamus> janakaclk: Just, if i can go from LTS to LTS, or if i will need to upgrade to 8.1 first
[19:22] <Exilant> Ienorand: thanks a lot
[19:23] <maxb> Picassotamus: You can go from LTS to LTS, but 9.04 is not a LTS
[19:23] <janakaclk> sorry Picassotamus. That I am not sure. I upgraded to 8.10 before 9.04
[19:23] <tech404> Whats the best way to get a bug noticed? I have a serious regression but it hasn't been triaged but it has been there for like 2-3 weeks.
[19:23] <Picassotamus> maxb: I thought it was going to be... so ill need 8.1 first then i will assume
[19:24] <Ienorand> Picassotamus: LTS is two years apart afaik so next is 10.04, (right?)
[19:24] <janakaclk> Sorry i never bothered to find what is LTS.. what is really LTS?
[19:24] <maxb> Picassotamus: There is no such thing as 8.1
[19:25] <maxb> Picassotamus: Are you using Kubuntu, btw?
[19:25] <Picassotamus> maxb: 8.1 = 8.10
[19:25] <Picassotamus> maxb: no
[19:25] <maxb> Picassotamus: In your head, perhaps :-)
[19:26] <Ienorand> tech404: Work to supply as much info as possible... see if you can narrow it down to a package and version etc. Even better if you can supply a patch :)
[19:26] <Joker_-_> janakaclk: Long Term Support
[19:26] <janakaclk> thanks Joker_-_
[19:26] <acicula> is there a way to prefetch packages with the update manager(when upgradeing with -d_
[19:26] <Joker_-_> tech404: deluge... I'll check it out
[19:26] <maxb> Picassotamus: the "10" relates to October, which "1" clearly doesn't
[19:26] <Joker_-_> tech404: thx
[19:27] <maxb> acicula: No, I have resorted to apt-get hackery in the past
[19:27] <Picassotamus> maxb: Thats right, i learned that the other day... just being 'mathy' i guess
[19:28] <maxb> Version numbers aren't decimals :-)
[19:31] <Holek_> i have no sound in flash
[19:32] <Holek_> also flash plugin crashes firefox upon closing the tab
[19:32] <Holek_> i've installed flashplugin-installer package
[19:33] <panaggio> lenorand: I had to type my fstab. Couldn't mount my pendrive on the problematic machine
[19:33] <panaggio> lenorand: http://pastebin.com/d33524cb8
[19:33] <Holek_> anyone on this flash prob?
[19:35] <panaggio> lenorand: I couldn't figure out what is they in "Are they in the plugdev group?"
[19:35] <panaggio> lenorand: "they" == the users I've tested?
[19:35] <janakaclk> I had the same problem
[19:35] <janakaclk> with flash
[19:36] <janakaclk> I upgraded the flash plugin in to r10.**
[19:36] <janakaclk> and changed the default sound device for ubuntu
[19:36] <janakaclk> and then it worked ok most of the time
[19:36] <Holek_> hm
[19:37] <efefppo> Has the google calendar bug in evoluition been fixed?
[19:37] <Ienorand> panaggio: run "id" in a terminal to see which groups the current user is in, and make sure group 46(plugdev) is among them
[19:37] <Holek_> janakaclk: did you upgraded it from the repo or from adobe's website?
[19:37] <Holek_> and which package did you use?
[19:37] <janakaclk> but sometimes when skype or pidgin use the sound card when i start the flash plugin it doesnt work
[19:37] <janakaclk> adobe's website
[19:38] <janakaclk> Holek_: did you see any bugs created for this
[19:39] <janakaclk> Holek_: for the flash problem i mean
[19:39] <Joker_-_> damn, I'm running this irssi as root, brb
[19:39] <panaggio> lenorand: my user is in plugdev
[19:40] <Holek_> janakaclk: nope, haven't
[19:40] <Ienorand> and it is the windows and/or recovery partitions that's troublesome?
[19:40] <Exilant> Ienorand: hm, you also seem to be out of group users
[19:40] <Exilant> is that a jaunt bug or an oddity?
[19:41] <Holek_> janakaclk: i should have, shouldn't I? :P
[19:41] <janakaclk> Holek_: go for it :)
[19:42] <Ienorand> Exilant: Hmm, I haven't thought about it... don't know....
[19:42] <janakaclk> Holek_: The reason I didnt put the bug is.. We only can report it.. but do you know any logs that can be used to diagnose the problem
[19:43] <panaggio> lenorand: I can read from and write to /media/windows or /media/recovery
[19:43] <panaggio> lenorand: my / is always being mounted as ro. and that's the problemw
[19:45] <Holek_> janakaclk: oh my, changing the sound dev helped :D
[19:46] <mbeierl> efefppo: not to my knowledge
[19:47] <mbeierl> efefppo: sorry - I thought you said exchange calendar, not google
[19:47] <janakaclk> Have anyone used pulseaudio as the primary sound device?
[19:49] <Ienorand> panaggio: Oh... right... Might be errors causing it to remount read-only then... tried running manual fsck? "touch /forcefsck"
[19:49] <Holek_> janakaclk: Amarok changes to pulseaudio at start, as it says that my default device is unavailable
[19:49] <Holek_> but it works ;o
[19:50] <panaggio> lenorand: I've checked it yesterday, after I saw the problem at the first time. everything all right
[19:51] <Ienorand> By the way, could anyone else on an ext3 root fs run "cat /etc/fstab" and see if the defaults option is set for "/", on ext4 it is not so I was wondering...
[19:52] <janakaclk> Holek_: you mean Amarok changes the OS default sound device?
[19:52] <Holek_> nope
[19:52] <Holek_> just falls back to pulseaudio itself
[19:53] <janakaclk> Holek_: ohh ok :)
[19:54] <siegie> Ienorand: do you have a sec, i'm starting my desktop now.
[19:55] <uffo> how i can improve signal strenght with my wifi card, it is very poor compared to others on same range http://paste.ubuntu.com/147841/
[19:55] <siegie> Ienorand: a beta installation only has the options relatime and errors=remount-ro
[19:56] <siegie> my desktop is running on ext3 btw and my laptop on ext4
[19:57] <panaggio> lenorand: do you think I should remove defaults from / options ?
[19:57] <Ienorand> panaggio: So... a wild guess would be to remove the defaults option... yes... I have no idea if it may work, but, if you want to try go ahead...
[19:58] <panaggio> lenorand: I've done first, asked second =)
[19:59] <panaggio> lenorand: same problem.
[19:59] <Chr|s> In Nautilus, how do I list what folders I want from my home folder?
[19:59] <Chr|s> on the sidebar
[20:00] <panaggio> lenorand: I can read a lot o return 24 on that "login log" (don't know its "real" name)
[20:00] <panaggio> and I couldn't find anywhere what exit code 24 mean
[20:00] <panaggio> lenorand: is it a clue? Or maybe it's just a consequence
[20:01] <Ienorand> panaggio: hmm, I'm kinda lost as well...
[20:01] <Chr|s> nevermind I figured it out
[20:02] <panaggio> lenorand: do you think it would be easier to I reinstall the system? Or do you think I should keep trying to solve the problem?
[20:03] <panaggio> :s:to I reinstall:to reinstall
[20:04] <Ienorand> panaggio: I don't know, honestly, since I have no idea what the problem might be, if it might be some configuration or if there might be a physical problem with the disk in some area...
[20:07] <spaceBARbarian> whats the difference between the beta release vs daily live cd ?
[20:07] <Pici> The daily cds are generated every day
[20:07] <rconan> spaceBARbarian: dailies have updates since the beta
[20:07] <spaceBARbarian> rconan so i won't have to do as many updates if i get a daily right ?
[20:07] <Pici> And the dailies are less tested.
[20:07] <rconan> but are even less guaranteed to work than the beta
[20:07] <spaceBARbarian> hmm
[20:08] <rconan> spaceBARbarian: trye
[20:08] <panaggio> lenorand: thanks a lot. I'll try some help later. I'll try to solve it here again
[20:08] <rconan> spaceBARbarian: try the daily but if it goes wrong try the beta
[20:08] <spaceBARbarian> rconan, i dont want something unstable, but i also dont want to get the beta and then get 200 updates
[20:08] <rconan> spaceBARbarian: well you'll get at least a couple of hundred megs of updates if you install the beta
[20:09] <rconan> if you don't want something unstable use the stable release
[20:09] <uffo> how i can improve signal strenght with my wifi card, it is very poor compared to others on same range http://paste.ubuntu.com/147841/ ubuntu 8.10 had same problem
[20:09] <spaceBARbarian> rconan, so the beta is the latest stable release ?
[20:09] <spaceBARbarian> stable as in most tested
[20:09] <rconan> spaceBARbarian: no... intrepid is the latest stable release
[20:10] <rconan> spaceBARbarian: the beta is the most stable jaunty release though (which is what I think you mean)
[20:10] <Ienorand> panaggio: by the way, your /dev/hda, are you sure that is the cdrom? (device name seems a bit odd...)
[20:10] <spaceBARbarian> rconan, yeah thats what i meant
[20:10] <spaceBARbarian> beta it is then
[20:10] <rconan> spaceBARbarian: there are, however, many many updates every day
[20:10] <rconan> spaceBARbarian: which, assuming the daily installer works, will be the same as installing a daily
[20:10] <spaceBARbarian> rconan, yeah i noticed that when i tried intrepid beta
[20:11] <spaceBARbarian> rconan, oh okay so then i might as well use a daily because i do let updates run
[20:11] <rconan> spaceBARbarian: yeah, but if you have problems with the installer, try the beta since it's a more tested isntaller
[20:11] <spaceBARbarian> okay thks
[20:11] <Creative1412> guys i got an encoding problem
[20:12] <Creative1412> please see that: http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5462/screenshotnnl.png
[20:13] <wirechief> The install on my usb stick seemed to lose the xorg.conf settings, i had to use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to recover, is this a bug with using the stick ?
[20:14] <wirechief> it booted to a terminal screen and i used it, to get back. it did it first on my desktop then my laptop.
[20:16] <panaggio> lenorand: I use a sata hd. I think my cdrom is really at /dev/hda. but I'll try it out. I'm rechecking hd
[20:16] <Creative1412> guys i got an encoding problem
[20:16] <Creative1412> please see that: http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5462/screenshotnnl.png
[20:17] <Creative1412> belive it or not i have allmost 100 files like those two
[20:17] <panaggio> lenorand: as the problem occurred on an upgrade, I was thinking that another upgrade may solve the problem
[20:18] <Creative1412> they are supposed to be written in arabic under windows
[20:18] <panaggio> lenorand: do you think it's possible?
[20:19] <Ienorand> panaggio: As I said, I have really no clue what the problem might be... maybe yes, maybe no, all I can say unfortunately.
[20:20] <panaggio> lenorand: ok. thanks again. I'll try to find somewhere I can update it (my last try to solve the problem), as I'm using dial up here right now
[20:25] <mbeierl> Creative1412: how did you get those files to Linux?
[20:25] <Creative1412> by a rar files
[20:26] <Creative1412> and my ntfs's partions gives the same under KDE
[20:26] <mbeierl> Creative1412: ok, there goes my only theories, sorry, I'm no encoding expert :(
[20:27] <Creative1412> mbeierl: the problem that didn't happen even under dapper! :@
[20:34] <ddastoor> i upgraded from intrepid to jaunty and i can't see any notifications
[20:34] <ddastoor> what should i do to enable them ?
[20:35] <mib_vsuf1bh2> Just used update manager to update my jaunty beta installation, last updated a day or so ago, upon rebooting (which was required), now won't boot, Alert! /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xx$ does not exist.  Dropping to a shell!
[20:35] <mib_vsuf1bh2> I can get it up and running by dropping to a previous kernel, is this a known problem?
[20:35] <ddastoor> i upgraded to jaunty from intrepid and my notifications are not showing.. how do i enable them ?
[20:41] <mib_vsuf1bh2> Hi, appreciate jaunty might break, and there is no support, but does anyone know why the kernel upgrade just now prevents jaunty from booting
[20:41] <imachine> mib_vsuf1bh2, works for me
[20:41] <IntuitiveNipple> oh no, not another one!
[20:42] <IntuitiveNipple> mib_vsuf1bh2: The likely issue is: bug #358654 ... take a look see if it matches your scenario
[20:42] <mib_vsuf1bh2> imachine: when did you last update, and reboot
[20:42] <mib_vsuf1bh2> ubottu: looks like the badger
[20:42] <imachine> mib_vsuf1bh2, dunno, today
[20:43] <mib_vsuf1bh2> IntuitiveNipple: that looks like its the badger
[20:43] <lupine_85> I'm attempting to get a DVB-T card working in Jaunty, but it's failing to tune the card
[20:43] <IntuitiveNipple> mib_vsuf1bh2: I spent 3 hours this afternoon with Newbee tracking that **** down! Hope you've got another install you can boot to, or a live-CD :)
[20:44] <mib_vsuf1bh2> IntuitiveNipple: it books from another kernel same install
[20:45] <IntuitiveNipple> mib_vsuf1bh2: That sounds useful!
[20:45] <IntuitiveNipple> mib_vsuf1bh2: someone else reported that didn't help them
[20:45] <IntuitiveNipple> mib_vsuf1bh2: so your damage is limited to the initrd image
[20:46] <mib_vsuf1bh2> IntuitiveNipple: is this the ext4 problem i've heard about
[20:46] <IntuitiveNipple> no, if you've got the bug I pointed you to, this is a problem with a system restart being prompted and done before all packages have finished updating
[20:47] <mib_vsuf1bh2> IntuitiveNipple: ah ok just looking at launchpad now... perhaps I can update with the other kernel and then reboot
[20:48] <IntuitiveNipple> Yes, if it is the same issue, all you need do is boot from the other kernel and run "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[20:49] <mib_vsuf1bh2> IntuitiveNipple: thanks
[20:51] <khear> is usb-creator supposed to be installed by default on kubuntu? seems like i'm getting it with the latest upgrades, along with a bunch of gnome packages
[20:55] <fault> can somebody help me please? im experiencing dependecy problems while upgrading to jaunty: http://paste.ubuntu.com/147867/
[20:56] <fault> is there a way to fix this depency problems?
[20:56] <spaceBARbarian> hey whats the best way to share a drive between windows and linux ?
[20:56] <spaceBARbarian> or a partition
[20:56] <fault> i use a ntfs partition.
[21:02] <FoxBlitzz> I'm a bit confused about audio config in Kubuntu Jaunty
[21:02] <sofi2> kkkkkkhjjkhjkhjkkjjjjghjghjhg
[21:03] <FoxBlitzz> What's with the PulseAudio option? How can I route that to my desktop speakers and not my headset?
[21:03] <FoxBlitzz> Also, why isn't Flash playback affected by KDE volume settings?
[21:03] <FoxBlitzz> Finally, why can't I mute volume?
[21:04] <peter__> I'm trying to get Blender to work on Ubuntu...
[21:05] <Mene-Mene> I can get what's in the repositories working.
[21:05] <Mene-Mene> But I can't seem to get a 64 bit edition.
[21:05] <Mene-Mene> Are the repositories 64 bit?
[21:06] <IntuitiveNipple> Mene-Mene: The repositories contain packages for both x86 and amd64 architectures, and the correct packages are installed based on the installed architecture
[21:07] <Mene-Mene> But they aren't always made available, correct?
[21:07] <PrebenR> hi. I have turned off sound events in gnome and xfce and gconf, but still programs keep playing event sounds (gtk programs) Is this a bug?
[21:07] <Mene-Mene> So it's possible that it could be 32 bit, and it's possible it could be 64 bit.
[21:08] <PrebenR> FoxBlitzz, I also cannot mute now after last upgrade
[21:09] <PrebenR> I don't use  kde though
[21:09] <IntuitiveNipple> Mene-Mene: the only time packages aren't available for both architectures is when they won't work on one or the other.
[21:10] <Mene-Mene> I wasn't aware that non-canonical repositories were updated instantly.
[21:11] <spaceBARbarian> whats a good setup of partitions with different mount points ?
[21:12] <IntuitiveNipple> Mene-Mene: for example, packages that contain programs that directly call BIOS functions used to only be available on x86, but since we now use the libx86, both x86 and amd64 can do that so packages can be provided for both.
[21:12] <PrebenR> FoxBlitzz, sorry muting was my fault. it works
[21:13] <FoxBlitzz> I don't get it. I can mute the CD and headphones
[21:13] <FoxBlitzz> But why can't I mute master?
[21:13] <spaceBARbarian> whats a good setup of partitions with different mount points ?
[21:13] <IntuitiveNipple> spaceBARbarian: I tend to use LVM - one PV and then several LVs with some spare left in the PV for extending into later. I have separate volumes for /boot (ext3), / (LVM encrypted ext4), /var (LVM encrypted ext4), /home (LVM encrypted ext4) and several others
[21:14] <spaceBARbarian> IntuitiveNipple: holy crap,thats a little too intense
[21:14] <IntuitiveNipple> spaceBARbarian: It is sensible :)
[21:15] <IntuitiveNipple> spaceBARbarian: I've had to increase /var from 4GB to 6 and then 8GB recently
[21:15] <spaceBARbarian> IntuitiveNipple: well you know your stuff, how about a simple setup for a laptop that i am dual botting on
[21:15] <IntuitiveNipple> spaceBARbarian: This is a laptop too, dual-boot set-up.
[21:15] <hmw> did my last message reach this channel?
[21:16] <spaceBARbarian> i only have 100gb of ram
[21:16] <spaceBARbarian> *disk
[21:16] <spaceBARbarian> lol
[21:16] <spaceBARbarian> ram
[21:18] <hmw> after a week of not using my (quite stable) jaunty, i updated, and the machine froze. After reboot the system was damaged (not able to login in Gnome). Some time later, I decided to wipe the partition. Setup froze at a similar point in the process. I managed to make it work by using the dpkg option in the "repair boot menu", but now I have several strange things going on, and need help to track the error(s) down. [...]
[21:19] <hmw> My current problem is with compiz/shift switcher. When I press the hot key and trigger the "next window" some times, X dies and I have to relogin. syslog says something about "gdm_slave_xioerror_handler". What could that indicate?
[21:32] <Belboz991> Hey all, recent update to my 9.04-64 build has caused Gnome to lock up upon login, log of X shows it hanging on "Leaving Restore TV", any ideas?
[21:34] <Joker_-__> I installed deluge, it worked fine but once I uploaded a torrent to the torrent directory, poof, crashed and now it wont work anymore
[21:40] <nemo> hmw: say, by any chance (freeze damaging system) were you using ext4?
[21:40] <hmw> nemo: now i am. Before I used ext3
[21:40] <nemo> hmw: and, when you "froze" did you check that it had totally frozen? (ctrl-alt-backspace, ctrl-alt-del, ssh/ping, magic sysrq ? :) )
[21:41] <hmw> in 2 of 3 occations, i could reboot usong sysrq only, in the 3rd occasion, this didnt work, too
[21:41] <nemo> hmw: anyway. I had something similar to this happen with me ext4.  rather than track down mysterious errors caused by damage lord knows what, I just reinstalled all my packages
[21:42] <hmw> nemo: i had a wonderfully working version, last updated a week ago, which crashed due to a full disk...
[21:42] <hmw> i could try reinstalling on ext3, though.
[21:43] <hmw> you think, some files are damaged, or what would be the case, if ext4 was to blame_
[21:44] <hmw> well... I will find out... i love setup orgies
[21:46] <Belboz991> nemo, you have any idea as to what would make X hang upon login after a recent update?
[21:46] <spaceBARbarian> how do you get to the guided method with the jaunty installer ?
[21:48] <BUGabundo> Belboz991: Intel GPU?
[21:48] <Belboz991> BUGabundo:  ATI Radeon XPress 200 IIRC
[21:49] <BUGabundo> ok, diff bug
[21:49] <BUGabundo> Belboz991: driver -ati or closed source?
[21:49] <Belboz991> BUGabundo: tried "radeon", "ati" and "vesa" all hang
[21:49] <BUGabundo> vesa too?
[21:49] <BUGabundo> that's strange
[21:50] <Belboz991> it hangs on "Leaving Restore TV" with the first two
[21:50] <BUGabundo> can you try a recovery gnome ?
[21:50] <Belboz991> vesa it just hangs with no indication
[21:50] <Belboz991> best method for doing that?
[21:51] <nemo> Belboz991: welp. guess you'll be checking dmesg/Xorg log/xsession errors :)
[21:51] <BUGabundo> end login/session, press option, select recovery
[21:51] <hmw> i just had a problem with gnome (wouldnt let me in anymore), which seemingly was repaired with the dpkg option on the boot menu ("repair mode")
[21:53] <BUGabundo> ah
[21:53] <Belboz991> well, I see wallpaper, that's an improvement :P
[21:55] <Belboz991> BUGabundo: nope, I get the desktop background, a cursor, and that's all she wrote :(
[21:56] <BUGabundo> humm
[21:56] <BUGabundo> that looks terrivebly like the intel bug, which means it's the kernel bug
[21:56] <BUGabundo> cwillu was working on that
[21:57] <nemo> hmw: re: files, ext4 isn't *really* to blame
[21:57] <nemo> hmw: your running it on an unstable system that crashes while it has files open is :)
[21:57] <hmw> i see
[21:57] <BUGabundo> just run $ sync more often
[21:57] <nemo> hmw: so. gnome replaces a file, replacement isn't synced...
[21:58] <nemo> BUGabundo: was gonna say that :)  - put sync in a cron ;)
[21:58] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[21:58] <hmw> i understand... i just rebooted the live cd
[21:58] <BUGabundo> like, every second
[21:58] <nemo> hmw: anyway. I just ran a dpkg -i of everything in the cache dir
[21:58] <nemo> or at least, the latest of each
[21:58] <nemo> hmw: I got a mostly functional system, and did a reinstall of everything from synaptic after that
[21:58] <nemo> from that point on I was fine
[21:58] <nemo> but, was an unpleasant 30 minutes of repair :-/
[21:59] <hmw> i tried dpkg already. At least i could log in after. But i had some strange things happening. I want my previous jaunty back *sniff*
[21:59] <nemo> hmw: if you can boot the system, I wouldn't bother with live CD
[21:59] <hmw> nah, i dont trust this install.
[21:59] <hmw> it crashed while installing from the cd, and i managed to make it boot thereafter. Doesnt make me feel very confident about everthing being repairable...
[22:00] <nemo> *shrug* your call :)
[22:00] <Belboz991> BUGabundo: Xorg.failsafe.0.log shows: Initializing built-in extension DAMAGE as the last line.
[22:00] <hmw> too late, i already restarted the setup *g*
[22:00] <SnoFox> Crap.
[22:00] <Belboz991> before that, are similar lines with COMOSITE, RANDR, and RENDER
[22:01] <hmw> Maybe it will crash again, and I can find a pattern for a bug report...
[22:01] <SnoFox> I can't get Xorg in failsafe mode.
[22:01] <BUGabundo> Belboz991: I'm not the best person to reply there
[22:01] <Belboz991> thanks anyway BUGabundo, do you have any links that may be of use?
[22:01] <BUGabundo> SnoFox: nice way to start your way in :(
[22:01] <Belboz991> I'd really like to have access to my laptop back, and I've hit a wall :/
[22:02] <SnoFox> BUGabundo: I know, but I'm stuck on TTY1. I'm trying to get this fixed quick. :)
[22:02] <SnoFox> I'm right to the point. :p
[22:02] <BUGabundo> Belboz991: do it the hard way? boot into recovery mode, run XFIX, reboot, recovery again, su USER; startx
[22:02] <BUGabundo> SnoFox: try my advice to Belboz991
[22:03] <SnoFox> BUGabundo: What about failsafe mode? With my intellect, I'm probably just doing it wrong.
[22:04] <BUGabundo> SnoFox: is that from GDM?
[22:04] <SnoFox> GDM, yes.
[22:05] <hmw> "built in extension DAMAGE"... lol
[22:05] <BUGabundo> we really need so X guru here
[22:05] <SnoFox> Heh.
[22:05] <BUGabundo> I can't help all of you guys
[22:05] <BUGabundo> I just help with basic, and repeable stuff
[22:05] <BUGabundo> like posting bug links and emails info
[22:06] <BUGabundo> I miss cwillu.... he is the expert on those nasty X vs Kernel bugs
[22:06] <SnoFox> Erm, you don't know how to start X in failsafe mode?
[22:06] <SnoFox> I think I'm doing it wrong.
[22:06] <BUGabundo> let me fetch someone from #ubuntu-x
[22:06] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: the problem from earlier (with Newbee) turned out to be a major: bug #358654
[22:06] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: I don't recall the bug or symptons
[22:06] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: you may see people complaining of boot failures after update, so there's a heads-up for you
[22:07] <BUGabundo> ahh
[22:07] <BUGabundo> I got that
[22:07] <BUGabundo> total system corruption
[22:07] <BUGabundo> got me to fsck 2x
[22:07] <BUGabundo> thought it was HW prob on my side
[22:07] <RizR> volume is not very high since i upgraded to jaunty.
[22:08] <jester7> RizR: i've had that problem since hardy :(
[22:08] <RizR> any way to gain the volume other than putting it to maximum on volume control? :-)
[22:08] <IntuitiveNipple> no, it seems that several packages do not correctly depend on initramfs-tools and therefore the 'your system has been updated and needs to restart' prompt isn't delayed, so some users will trigger the reboot whilst packages haven't completed configuring themselves.
[22:08] <RizR> jester7, so what did u do? get powerful speakers? :-)
[22:09] <Halow> Check the PCM volume (you may have to click the Preferences button and check more boxes to show up in volume control).
[22:09] <jester7> RizR: in terminal type: alsamixer
[22:09] <jester7> RizR: i just deal with it
[22:09] <BUGabundo> RizR: jester7 I had that, and then it got fixed
[22:09] <jester7> BUGabundo: how did you get it fixed?
[22:09] <BUGabundo> updates?
[22:10] <RizR> guess what alsamixer shows me my pcm wasn't full. gnome volume control doesnt show pcm. hmm 1 sec.
[22:10] <jester7> RizR: that'll probably do it
[22:10] <RizR> jester7, yes. did it.
[22:10] <bicchi> Is it me or Jaunty does not notify of upgrades? So far I have been using "apt-get safe-upgrade" to do my updates since I never see any notifications but through the command prompt it is always getting upgrades.
[22:11] <RizR> BUGabundo, jester7: any idea how why gnome volume control doesn't have that?
[22:11] <BUGabundo> bicchi: Bug 332945
[22:11] <jester7> RizR: if you go to preferences, you should be able to add a checkmark
[22:11] <BUGabundo> RizR: try to enable it, on preferences
[22:11] <RizR> jester7, can't find that in preferences
[22:12] <BUGabundo> strange
[22:12] <BUGabundo> let see if dtchen or maco are around
[22:12] <BUGabundo> maco dtchen ping
[22:13] <RizR> BUGabundo, jester7 : that's fine. my volume control showed OSS Mixer. I selected Alsa Mixer. I've never really gotton my head around the sound system. quick 2 secs intro? :-)
[22:13] <BUGabundo> ahhhh
[22:14] <dtchen> my nick does not highlight on that position
[22:14] <RizR> how come one device can work on two mixers?
[22:14] <dtchen> you need to either preface the sentence with it and a colon/comma, e.g., dtchen:
[22:14] <BUGabundo> ok dtchen,
[22:14] <jester7> RizR: make that two of us.  it's pretty convoluted methinks
[22:14] <dtchen> or you can use one of the keyword highlights i have (sound, alsa, pulseaudio, ...)
[22:15] <BUGabundo> ahhh keywords! why didnt I ever though on that lol
[22:15] <RizR> jester7, i like the way things work better on ubuntu and mostly Linux now but sometimes I just miss those times when everything was in front of you without GUI gimmicks :-)
[22:15] <dtchen> RizR: from what perspective?
[22:15] <BUGabundo> dtchen: you can go back to rest... RizR already figured out what was wrong
[22:16] <RizR> dtchen, hmm NetworkManger for once :-)
[22:16] <dtchen> asac is the person to talk to for NM
[22:17] <jester7> BUGabundo: i dont' know if you spend a lot of time in here, but i have to imagine you're getting A LOT of questions regarding the lack of support for fglrx this time around
[22:18] <BUGabundo> jester7: yes
[22:19] <BUGabundo> actually for the 1st cycle ever, NVidia is the quieter
[22:19] <jester7> the radeon drivers are struggling
[22:20] <jester7> if you have anyone come in asking about constant flickering with the radeon driver, even with compiz turned off, tell them to turn cpu scaling to something higher than 800mhz
[22:27] <Belboz991> dang, this sucks
[22:27] <Belboz991> my laptop is entirely unusable at this point :(
[22:28] <Ienorand> Hmm, in my experience there is more ado about intel and nvidia actally, at least in here...
[22:28] <Belboz991> and worse, there's no error output
[22:29] <BUGabundo> Ienorand: ado?
[22:30] <Ienorand> –noun; busy activity; bustle; fuss c.f. Much ado about nothing; W. Shakespeare :)
[22:32] <hmw> what does "not all updates can be installed" on a fresh install? it offers "partial upgrade"... simply ignore it?
[22:32] <BUGabundo> hmw: ignore
[22:32] <BUGabundo> prob still building depencies
[22:33] <hmw> another question: i install from a CDROM. Max. 700MB or so. It downloads another 300M. After finishing, i got 3G ??
[22:34] <hmw> thats quite some awesome compression
[22:41] <Chr|s> how does the system testing report thats sent to launchpad help? just curious how it works
[22:41] <myk_robinson> hey. seen a lot of people posting bootcharts on the forum.. How to I create this bootchart?
[22:42] <nemo> hmw: why does a mere 3:1 seem that impressive to you? :)
[22:42] <nemo> hmw: esp given any XML or similar will likely compress like 10:1 or better
[22:43] <hmw> hmm... seems i forgot, that in linux almost everything is a script...
[22:43] <nemo> I just ran bzip on a random executable and got 38%
[22:43] <nemo> hmw: that's in line with 3:1
[22:44] <BUGabundo> myk_robinson: install bootchart and bootchart-java
[22:44] <BUGabundo> then look in /var/log/bootchart
[22:44] <myk_robinson> thank you
[22:44] <nemo> hmw: 41942/110785
[22:44] <BUGabundo> and that reminds me to upload last week batch
[22:44] <hmw> bootchart-java wasnt nececary, when i used it last week in jaunty. It just created a png anyways (no java at all was installed)
[22:45] <nemo> say, someone linked me to a bootchart a few weeks ago - it was pretty cool, but it was truncated
[22:45] <nemo> anyone here who uses that happen to manage to generate one that isn't truncated?
[22:45] <nemo> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootchart/EliteBook-jaunty-20090313-7.png
[22:45] <nemo> that chart
[22:46] <nemo> terminates at 45s
[22:47] <arges> If I turn off effects in 9.04 gnome and use a virtual desktop (dual monitors), I can't set a picture background anymore... anybody else experiencing this?
[22:47] <BUGabundo> hmw: it changed along the cycle
[22:47] <BUGabundo> now we need either the java or py code to generate pngs
[22:48] <BUGabundo> nemo: I've been trying to make mine go further into GDM
[22:48] <BUGabundo> but FAIL
[22:48] <BUGabundo> arges: no
[22:49] <waxed> hi
[22:49] <arges> also why does the background 'fade' when I try to set the background picture?
[22:49] <waxed> does 9.04 have better bluetooth support?
[22:49] <graingert> heya
[22:49] <Duckthis> Hello peoples|
[22:50] <BUGabundo> arges: not really
[22:50] <graingert> virtualbox, and 3d on ubuntu 9.04 makes the cursor disappear with compiz, why is this?
[22:50] <BUGabundo> hi waxed graingert Duckthis
[22:51] <arges> BUGabundo: what do you mean not really?
[22:51] <Chr|s> arges» because thats what its suppose to do
[22:51] <waxed> graingert: you mean you cant use Vbox on 9.04?
[22:51] <Chr|s> arges» it fades to the desktop you select when your selecting a different one
[22:51] <graingert> waxed-> no, ubuntu+1 under vbox
[22:52] <Duckthis> I just installed KDE and xfce over GNOME and now my background (before and after login screen) becomes blue even if I usr GNOME and default boot screené
[22:52] <arges> Chr|s: Yes, I understand. But I'm trying to figure out why I can't set the background when I have desktop effects disabled. Also I have HW acceleration disabled.
[22:52] <hmw> http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1821160
[22:52] <Chr|s> arges» I'm not sure then
[22:53] <hmw> oops... wrong channel... sry
[22:53] <Chr|s> !ot | hmw
[22:53] <arges> Well looks like I'll file a bug then.
[22:54] <waxed> does 9.04 have better bluetooth support anyone?
[22:54] <BUGabundo> arges: wrong person... was meant for waxed
[22:54] <arges> ah
[22:54] <Chr|s> waxed» I would imagine so since its an upgrade from 8.10
[22:54] <Chr|s> waxed» but then again, I don't use bluetooth for anything currently
[22:55] <BUGabundo> I can transfer files, sync mobiles, but audio is not working for me in BT
[22:55] <waxed> oh
[22:55] <waxed> so its got a BT bug?
[22:55] <BUGabundo> don't know
[22:56] <waxed> well if audio is not working
[23:05] <dtchen> BUGabundo: BT is a PA issue
[23:05] <dtchen> should be fixed in luke's ppa
[23:05] <BUGabundo> dtchen: is it?
[23:06] <BUGabundo> for 9.14 ?
[23:06] <bruce89> are there two new months this year?
[23:06] <dtchen> BUGabundo: 0.9.15-test7 has the fixes
[23:06] <dtchen> jaunty's 0.9.14 does not
[23:06] <dtchen> also, jaunty does not ship with it loaded
[23:07] <BUGabundo> bruce89: LOL pulse audio version... not ubuntu release name
[23:07] <dtchen> i'll SRU the fixes if i can, but i'd rather fix upstream ALSA bugs at the time.
[23:07] <bruce89> BUGabundo: I see, but the 0.* makes all the difference
[23:07] <BUGabundo> dtchen: don't bother with me.... ill go to koala in one month
[23:08] <BUGabundo> bruce89: actually, "in" ubuntu its 1.09.14.... themuso made a mistake.... hehe
[23:08] <BUGabundo> opps and so did I
[23:08] <BUGabundo> 1:0.9.14
[23:09] <bruce89> BUGabundo: heh, don't worry about it
[23:09] <BUGabundo> dtchen: will inicial koala get 9.15 once the toolchains open, with kernel .29 support?
[23:09] <dtchen> BUGabundo: karmic will roll directly to 2.6.30-rc
[23:09] <dtchen> BUGabundo: and yes, 0.9.15 will be in it
[23:09] <frogonwheels> in jaunty - is there a kde  interface for xrandr --output VGA-0 --auto  --right-of DVI-0
[23:10] <frogonwheels> um. jaunty + kde 4.2
[23:11] <BUGabundo> dtchen: do you expect a calm cycle for audio, or more breakage?
[23:11] <zyberzero> kbmaniac:  are you there?
[23:12] <RAOF> frogonwheels: That _should_ be handled by the Screen resolution tool thingy.
[23:12] <dtchen> BUGabundo: i expect it to be eventful.
[23:12] <frogonwheels> RAOF: yeah - nice theory
[23:12] <RAOF> frogonwheels: But when I used it (a couple of months ago), mostly it wouldn't actually do anything.
[23:12] <frogonwheels> RAOF:  it's only got resolution and orientation
[23:14] <frogonwheels> RAOF: oh well, at least I can still do it with xrandr
[23:14] <ubuntu> Is there any way I can force apt-get to download and install a package when it's telling me I have to run "apt-get -f install" to fix other things?
[23:15] <frogonwheels> kernco: I was just about to suggest a name change :)
[23:15] <kernco> lol, sorry I'm on a live CD
[23:15] <frogonwheels> kernco: any reason why youdon't what to fix other things?
[23:16] <kernco> Because running apt-get -f install doesn't fix them
[23:16] <frogonwheels> kernco: have you tried running aptitude ?
[23:17] <frogonwheels> --ignore-missing ?
[23:17] <kernco> That seems to work, but there's a new problem.  I'm connected to the internet on the Live CD, but when I try to chroot to my installation on my hard drive, it doesn't have the connection.
[23:18] <BUGabundo> kernco: I will, if you copy the network conf
[23:19] <FoxBlitzz> Rrgh, trying to get PulseAudio to default to my desktop speakers and not my headset
[23:19] <FoxBlitzz> And I'm failing miserably
[23:19] <frogonwheels> kernco:  or roll-your-own /etc/network/interfaces  (different solution from BUGabundo - since the live willbe using network-manager)
[23:20]  * frogonwheels remembers battling with PulseAudio over default devices.
[23:20] <nemo> BUGabundo: well, if it'd just keep running until all the stuff it was tracing terminated, that'd be nice
[23:20] <BUGabundo> frogonwheels: do you know if $ ifconfig up would work?
[23:20] <FoxBlitzz> I set pavucontrol so that SoundBlaster is the default
[23:20]  * frogonwheels doesn't uuse PulseAudio anymore.
[23:20] <nemo> BUGabundo: too many things in that chart still running.
[23:20] <nemo> hm. granted, some don't terminate
[23:20] <FoxBlitzz> But ZSNES, KDE still play sound through the headset
[23:21] <frogonwheels> BUGabundo:  ifconfig up isn't a newtwork-manager thing - it the /etc/network/interfaces thing.
[23:21] <BUGabundo> nemo: when would X end ? lOL
[23:21] <nemo> BUGabundo: the clipping is annoying too. I can't read most of the stuffspawned late in the process
[23:21]  * BUGabundo checks bootcharts after latest attempt to make it run longer
[23:21] <zyberzero2> kbmaniac_: Do you read me?
[23:21] <nemo> BUGabundo: yeah. I guess the ones that don't terminate are dæmons - never mind
[23:22] <nemo> hm. apt-file is extraordinarily stupid about downloading
[23:22] <nemo> I got to 92% when my wireless glitched
[23:22] <BUGabundo> WOOT WOOT WOOT it worked
[23:22] <BUGabundo> added a sleep 90
[23:22] <nemo> I've left it running hoping it will realise that it had reconnected and retry, like wget.
[23:22] <nemo> but nooo
[23:22] <BUGabundo> and know I have a 120 sec bootchart
[23:22] <nemo> been running for an hour now, with nary another byte pulled, nor a timeout
[23:23] <nemo> BUGabundo: heh. cool. link?
[23:23] <BUGabundo> for code or png?
[23:23] <nemo> png
[23:23] <ubuntu> Is there any way to chroot and have access to /proc?
[23:23] <RAOF> By bind-mounting /proc under your chroot, yes.
[23:23] <BUGabundo> code http://paste.ubuntu.com/147944/
[23:24] <BUGabundo> nemo: FTPs ing now
[23:24] <nemo> BUGabundo: neat. svg output
[23:24] <nemo> even better
[23:24] <nemo> link to that :)
[23:24] <BUGabundo> what ever my /var/log/bootchart has
[23:24] <RAOF> NOTE: bind-mounting should performed with care - don't accidentally delete your /home by bind-mounting it under a chroot directory, then recursively deleting the chroot.
[23:24] <nemo> RAOF: heh. you did that eh? :)
[23:25] <nemo> RAOF: I once accidentally blew away /bin that way :)
[23:25] <nemo> luckily managed to recover it without having to take down the server
[23:25] <nemo> scp'd the /bin from another server, and replaced a few special tools
[23:26] <BUGabundo> nemo: its going to take a while.... 58MiBs and I'm on 2/3G
[23:26] <nemo> BUGabundo: SVG might be smaller :-p
[23:26] <nemo> s/might be/probably would be/
[23:27] <FoxBlitzz> frogonwheels: Do you remember how you did it?
[23:27] <FoxBlitzz> How you changed default sound devices on PulseAudio?
[23:27] <gnomefreak> svg is smaller than png IIRC
[23:28] <FoxBlitzz> Or did you fail?
[23:28] <ricochet> hey guys i need some help with getting compiz working in Xubuntu 9.04, i found this fix however i am a noob and i dont understand how to do it
[23:28] <ricochet> here is the fix link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3993442#post3993442
[23:29] <BUGabundo> nemo: still uploading but you can see a few now http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Linux/bootchart
[23:29] <nemo> gnomefreak: depends on the complexity of the SVG :)
[23:29] <nemo> gnomefreak: but in this case probably loads tinier
[23:29] <nemo> BUGabundo: you should regenerate as SVG :-p
[23:29] <nemo> BUGabundo: we are linux users! we are not limited by IE's lack of SVG support :-p
[23:30] <kernco> Something messed up upgrading packages yesterday, and now my keyboard doesn't work at all when I boot.  I'm trying to fix this using a Live CD, but when I chroot to my installation, some packages try to access /proc when they get configured and it isn't there.
[23:30] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:30] <BUGabundo> nemo: how do I do that?
[23:30] <ricochet> can anyone help me out? (see above)
[23:30] <nemo> 	    if grep -q "bootchart=svg" /proc/cmdline; then
[23:30] <nemo> 		format=svg
[23:31] <nemo> BUGabundo: from the script you posted, looks like you just do bootchart=svg on the boot params list
[23:31] <nemo> BUGabundo: well, that or just hardcode that line :)
[23:31] <BUGabundo> doing so now
[23:31] <BUGabundo> hope zenphoto has no bugs with it LOL
[23:32] <ricochet> hey guys i need some help with getting compiz working in Xubuntu 9.04, i found this fix however i am a noob and i dont understand how to do it?
[23:32] <ricochet> here is the fix link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3993442#post3993442
[23:32] <nemo> BUGabundo: oh. no clue what zenphoto is, but it'll work on any file host. if you have a google account you could just link to google pages
[23:32] <hmw> WOHOO! Reinstall didnt crash this time
[23:33] <hmw> window create
[23:33] <BUGabundo> nemo: me is sleepy... I don't see how to hard code the change
[23:34] <nemo> BUGabundo: put format=svg  after line 65
[23:34] <frogonwheels> FoxBlitzz: failed iirc
[23:34] <nemo> BUGabundo: or just use a boot param :-p
[23:34] <nemo> orrr
[23:34] <FoxBlitzz> Sucks. :(
[23:34] <nemo>  bootchart -f $format -o "$CHARTS" "$TARBALL"
[23:35] <nemo> BUGabundo: just replace $format with "svg"
[23:35] <BUGabundo> ohh boot parm.. right
[23:35] <nemo>  bootchart -f svg -o "$CHARTS" "$TARBALL"
[23:35] <FoxBlitzz> Seriously, I swear, some update in Jaunty caused sound playback to break
[23:36] <ricochet> hey guys i really need some help with this, can anyone help me out?
[23:37] <nemo> ricochet: not clear what the issue is from the forum thread
[23:37] <nemo> ricochet: looks like compiz is no longer in /usr/local ?
[23:37] <frogonwheels> ricochet:  What bits have you tried? what bits  have you not tried?
[23:37] <nemo> ricochet: and you don't know how to edit /usr/bin/compiz?
[23:37] <nemo> sudo gedit /usr/bin/compiz
[23:38] <ricochet> nemo: when i go into the terminal and type compiz it says Trying again with indirect rendering:
[23:38] <ricochet> Checking for texture_from_pixmap: present.
[23:38] <ricochet> Checking for non power of two support: present.
[23:38] <ricochet> Checking for Composite extension: present.
[23:38] <ricochet> Checking screen 1Comparing resolution (1024x600) to maximum 3D texture size (2048): Passed.
[23:38] <ricochet> Checking for Software Rasterizer: Not present.
[23:38] <ricochet> Checking for nVidia: not present.
[23:38] <ricochet> Checking for FBConfig: present.
[23:38] <ricochet> Checking for Xgl: not present.
[23:38] <ricochet> /usr/bin/compiz: 455: /usr/local/bin/compiz: not found
[23:38] <ricochet> exec: 455: /usr/bin/xfwm: not found
[23:38] <nemo> dude
[23:38] <nemo> that's not cool
[23:38] <nemo> !paste
[23:38] <frogonwheels> ricochet:  are you unable to edit a file?
[23:38] <nemo> ricochet: also, totally unhelpful since we all knew that was your problem from the thread, we just didn't know what you had tried
[23:39] <funkyHat> I'm getting pidgin crashing when it tries to sign in to MSN, but apport isn't starting up to collect the crash data anymore :/ anyone know why that might be?
[23:39] <nemo> ricochet: heck. I even tried to guess and gave you the sudo line
[23:39] <Chr|s> hmm..my sound isn't working since todays update
[23:39] <nemo> ricochet: anyway. use a friggen pastebin :-p
[23:39] <ricochet> nemo: i think i have it
[23:41] <FoxBlitzz> Oh, cool, I figured out how to get KMix to interface with PulseAudio's volume
[23:41] <FoxBlitzz> ...Now to figure out the stupid default devices thing
[23:45] <frogonwheels> FoxBlitzz: have you tried padevchooser
[23:48] <BUGabundo> nemo: latest http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Linux/bootchart/jaunty-20090309-1.png.php
[23:59] <pwnguin> BUGabundo: your readahead is crap
[23:59] <pwnguin> when was the last time it was profiled?
[23:59] <BUGabundo> LOL
[23:59] <BUGabundo> humm 2 kernel updates ago?
[23:59] <BUGabundo> pwnguin: guess I REALLY should re-run it again