| dtchen | hyperair: / TheMuso: all set | 00:09 |
|---|---|---|
| dtchen | tested with two devices, does the right thing | 00:09 |
| TheMuso | dtchen: ok cool. | 00:10 |
| * mneptok punches directhex in the face | 00:32 | |
| mneptok | YOU ARE GREEN DRAZI! | 00:32 |
| * slangasek scratches his head | 00:33 | |
| mneptok | slangasek: http://doctormo.wordpress.com/2009/04/08/foss-tribalism-in-the-community/ | 00:33 |
| mneptok | slangasek: directhex earns the comment win :) | 00:34 |
| TheMuso | slangasek: Since I'm almost done for my working day here, and since I'm away for the easter weekend, and since kernel freeze is tomorrow, I'll need exceptions for linux-ports and linux-rt, which will only be rebases. Shall I file a bug to make it formal? | 00:34 |
| slangasek | I see. :) | 00:34 |
| slangasek | TheMuso: hmm, how long after kernel freeze are the rebases expected to get done? | 00:35 |
| TheMuso | slangasek: not till next monday evening my time at the absolute earliest | 00:35 |
| slangasek | TheMuso: are those packages up-to-date with the linux package currently in the archive? | 00:35 |
| TheMuso | slangasek: yes they are | 00:36 |
| slangasek | ok | 00:36 |
| slangasek | on the bright side, your Monday evening is early | 00:36 |
| slangasek | yes, please file a bug to remind us that it's coming | 00:36 |
| TheMuso | Ok will do. | 00:36 |
| directhex | mneptok, i'd hope slangasek of all people would get an obscure babylon 5 reference | 00:39 |
| slangasek | Yes. | 00:39 |
| directhex | especially since i was out-obscured last time :/ | 00:43 |
| mneptok | directhex: between slangasek and myself, it's a tight net to slip through :) | 00:46 |
| TheMuso | dtchen: I'm going to upload that suspend/resume change for pulse now, since I am about to head off for the easter weekend, unless you want me to hold off, and you get someone else to sponsor the uploads. | 00:46 |
| dtchen | TheMuso: it's set for upload | 00:46 |
| TheMuso | dtchen: ok thanks. | 00:46 |
| dtchen | hyperair: thanks for being on top of it. unfortunately editing files using my phone is somewhat subpar ;) | 00:47 |
| TheMuso | dtchen: is there a problem with the file? | 00:51 |
| dtchen | TheMuso: no, my bzr branch is fine. | 00:51 |
| TheMuso | dtchen: ah ok I just thought there was an error you found relating to use of your phone or some such. :) | 00:51 |
| * TheMuso does a quick test build. | 00:52 | |
| slangasek | mneptok: I don't think I contribute much there, as I wouldn't have seen the comment at all without being pointed to it... :) | 00:56 |
| TheMuso | slangasek: ok bug filed, ubuntu-release subscribed. | 00:59 |
| slangasek | TheMuso: saw it, thanks :) | 00:59 |
| TheMuso | Ok pulse uploaded, I'm outa here. Happy easter all | 00:59 |
| slangasek | have a good weekend! | 00:59 |
| TheMuso | Will do, checking out plenty of live music. | 00:59 |
| slangasek | kirkland: do you recall why python-moinmoin was among the packages dropped when you cleaned up the server seed? | 01:11 |
| slangasek | kirkland: asking because it's not seeded anywhere else under Ubuntu, it's currently in main only because kubuntu has not yet merged that change | 01:11 |
| slangasek | (also because python-moinmoin serecommends: fckeditor from universe, so I need to know which side of that to clean up) | 01:12 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: oh, I think that recommendation was new in the merge I sponsored recently; if you need to, it probably wouldn't be disastrous to drop it to a suggests | 01:14 |
| cjwatson | it makes the moin GUI editor work | 01:14 |
| slangasek | yeah, it looked wrong to me as a Recommends | 01:14 |
| slangasek | then I went to look at the seed to see in what circumstances python-moinmoin is pulled in, and became Confused | 01:14 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: should we poke python-moinmoin back into the ubuntu seeds somewhere? | 01:16 |
| maxb | moinmoin was using an embedded copy of fckeditor until recently. Personally I hate the GUI editor, but some people might see it as a standard part of a Moin install? | 01:17 |
| slangasek | ah | 01:18 |
| cjwatson | wasn't it disabled? | 01:18 |
| slangasek | in 1.6.2-1 it was | 01:18 |
| cjwatson | one reason I can think of to keep it is that we almost certainly run it on some of our own servers | 01:20 |
| cjwatson | IIRC including the GUI editor | 01:20 |
| slangasek | well, first of all, having moin in main only because of the accident that the kubuntu seed hasn't merged that change isn't good - this should be seeded in the dvd seed? | 01:22 |
| cjwatson | maybe better one of the platform supported-server seeds | 01:24 |
| slangasek | supported-misc-servers, then? | 01:25 |
| cjwatson | sounds plausible | 01:26 |
| slangasek | ok; that leaves fckditor as an open question | 01:27 |
| slangasek | e | 01:27 |
| savvas | just so I don't have a guilt for 6 months, do you think I made the right decision to set bug 356935 as invalid? it's too late for such changes right? | 01:34 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 356935 in sqlite3 "FFe: Please sync sqlite3 3.6.12-1 from Debian testing" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/356935 | 01:34 |
| slangasek | savvas: barring major bugs in the version we currently have in jaunty, yes | 01:35 |
| savvas | no bugs whatsoever unfortunately, that little application is damn good, and getting better every time :) | 01:36 |
| savvas | I guess the live backup can wait for 6 months hehe | 01:37 |
| LaserJock_ | dang, Ubuntu just keeps getting easier and easier to install | 01:40 |
| slangasek | sorry, we'll try harder for karmic | 01:41 |
| LaserJock_ | :) | 01:41 |
| savvas | does anyone happen to know which application configuration the installer asks you to import? | 01:42 |
| savvas | is there a list of these apps? | 01:42 |
| LaserJock_ | it just did firefox, evolution, and pidgin for me | 01:43 |
| savvas | same :\ | 01:45 |
| savvas | imagine going through the whole 500-600 application configuration folders in my home I gathered this past few years :P | 01:45 |
| savvas | *these | 01:45 |
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| slangasek | cjwatson: so with that decided, we still need to figure out whether we want fckeditor by default (MIR) or not (upload). | 01:55 |
| cjwatson | security review might take a while, I guess | 01:56 |
| cjwatson | I'm happy to have it out given the lateness | 01:56 |
| cjwatson | want me to upload that? | 01:56 |
| slangasek | I can | 01:56 |
| slangasek | I already have it here | 01:56 |
| cjwatson | ok | 01:57 |
| cjwatson | beware debian/control.in | 01:57 |
| slangasek | noted :) | 01:58 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: my fix for 44194 hasn't had any confirmation that it actually fixes the bug yet, but Lars reckons it doesn't break anything. Do you think I should go ahead and upload what I have? | 02:00 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: yeah | 02:00 |
| slangasek | calc: did the OOo upload happen? | 02:03 |
| slangasek | calc: doesn't appear to have - it's now late, 2 hours past the official deadline? | 02:04 |
| * slangasek afks for dinner | 02:06 | |
| calc | slangasek: i ran into git eating my brain issue, i am ready to upload now | 02:09 |
| calc | i'll stage it all on chinstrap and then get into the archive in ~ 2hr (need both packages) | 02:10 |
| calc | slangasek: around 1hr left until its uploaded to the archive itself | 02:30 |
| tedg | Is it worth working on some final bugs (not crashers) or is it time to give up? | 02:33 |
| calc | slangasek: i also disabled sparc in the build (at least afaict), so we probably should remove the sparc binaries from the archive after it is done building | 02:44 |
| calc | slangasek: done | 03:37 |
| slangasek | calc: ok; in that case we could drop the sparc binaries immediately anyway | 03:40 |
| calc | slangasek: ok | 03:41 |
| calc | they both just got accepted | 03:42 |
| calc | so if you want to nuke the jaunty sparc binaries go ahead :) | 03:43 |
| calc | slangasek: could i get you to accept ooo-thumbnailer into universe? :) | 04:26 |
| calc | slangasek: it closes bug 25827 but I managed to forget to mention it in the changelog :( | 04:30 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 25827 in openoffice.org "Thumbnails for Openoffice.org documents" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25827 | 04:30 |
| ScottK | slangasek: Any ideas on why we stopped building usplash for ia64 last year? | 04:43 |
| ScottK | I don't see anything in debian/changelog | 04:44 |
| ScottK | Currently all of Kubuntu except kubuntu-meta is built on IA64, so the completionist in me is a bit frustrated. | 04:45 |
| slangasek | ScottK: no idea on that one, no | 05:24 |
| slangasek | calc: does ooo-thumbnailer have an ack from motu-release? | 05:24 |
| slangasek | actually... either way, I'm not going to get to it tonight | 05:25 |
| calc | slangasek: ok, i'll ping motu-release | 05:29 |
| slangasek | ok | 05:30 |
| slangasek | calc: btw, there are a number of reverse-build-deps of libitext-java that don't seem to have gotten MIRs yet; do you have any information about bouncycastle, libpdfrenderer-java, junitperf, or should I write up the MIRs from scratch? | 05:32 |
| calc | reverse-build-deps? i must be confused or something | 05:34 |
| calc | why would reverse-build-deps (things that use a library) need to be moved into main | 05:34 |
| slangasek | calc: er, I mean build-deps | 05:36 |
| calc | but no i didn't know anything about its changing, it has been in main for a while now and didn't realize it grew new build-deps | 05:39 |
| slangasek | I'm not sure they're new | 05:39 |
| calc | oh | 05:39 |
| calc | hmm either their new or someone demoted them after it built for intrepid i suppose | 05:40 |
| slangasek | or libitext-java never had to be rebuilt after being promoted | 05:40 |
| slangasek | actually, libitext-java was uploaded once since promotion... and is dep-wait. | 05:40 |
| calc | oh hmm i forgot about that | 05:40 |
| calc | yea so it either had things demoted or it grew new build-deps | 05:41 |
| slangasek | no, the package has *never* built successfully in main | 05:41 |
| slangasek | the binary that's in main is the same version that was originally promoted | 05:41 |
| calc | hmm how did it get in the archive at all, since the previous upload was a ubuntu change | 05:42 |
| slangasek | it was built in universe | 05:42 |
| slangasek | *before* it was promoted | 05:42 |
| calc | er 1.4.5-3 was promoted | 05:42 |
| slangasek | oh | 05:42 |
| slangasek | ok, then they are new build-deps | 05:42 |
| slangasek | sorry; I was trying to go by debian/changelog, which says nothing about the new deps at all | 05:42 |
| calc | then 1.4.5-3ubuntu1 was uploaded 6 months later | 05:42 |
| calc | ok | 05:42 |
| slangasek | heh, ok :) | 05:42 |
| slangasek | in that case, I can probably cull these build-deps for jaunty | 05:43 |
| calc | so whoever requested sync should have written the MIRs | 05:43 |
| calc | because it would have required an override of the ubuntu changes to have been synced | 05:43 |
| slangasek | yes, quite | 05:43 |
| calc | bug 299000 | 05:43 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 299000 in libitext-java "sync-request" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/299000 | 05:43 |
| calc | it was matthias | 05:44 |
| calc | lol | 05:44 |
| slangasek | yep | 05:44 |
| slangasek | well, he was right that the Ubuntu change was integrated in the Debian package :) | 05:46 |
| slangasek | I'll write up the MIRs | 05:46 |
| calc | ok | 05:46 |
| calc | i could do it tomorrow, but i'm about to head to bed for tonight | 05:46 |
| slangasek | that's fine; these are high on my list of things to kill off for release, I'll take care of it before bed | 05:47 |
| calc | ok | 05:48 |
| slangasek | that, or kill off the build-deps if I determine they're expendable :) | 05:49 |
| StevenK | Mmmm. Red-shirt Build-Depends | 05:49 |
| slangasek | absolutely! | 05:50 |
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| hyperair | dtchen: regarding the pulseaudio hook, the get_pulse_users i wrote that time misses out of a few pulseaudio instances, especially if you've killed pulseaudio before and don't prepend /usr/bin to it. | 08:21 |
| hyperair | dtchen: could you take the current get_pulse_users() function from the debdiff i proposed? | 08:22 |
| hyperair | dtchen: to summarize, get_pulse_users() { ps -C pulseaudio -o user=; } | 08:22 |
| hyperair | dtchen: i think that works much better than using awk | 08:22 |
| slangasek | soren: dendrobates mentioned last week you would be providing the fix for bug #347622; is that done now, or is the bug still outstanding? | 08:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 347622 in eucalyptus "in SYSTEM mode, VM ips are not automatically discovered by CC or NC on switched networks" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/347622 | 08:41 |
| seb128 | DOH | 08:47 |
| seb128 | slangasek: already frozen?!? | 08:47 |
| slangasek | seb128: yep - but if you need something pushed in, we'll do the usual dance of course | 08:48 |
| slangasek | fusa, then? | 08:48 |
| seb128 | slangasek: please accept fusa, it undo the string freeze breakage of the previous upload | 08:49 |
| slangasek | sure | 08:49 |
| seb128 | thanks | 08:49 |
| seb128 | I was sort of expect to get work done today | 08:49 |
| seb128 | ie upload quite a lot | 08:49 |
| seb128 | you are just putting extra review load on your shoulder but if you are fine with that ;-) | 08:49 |
| slangasek | yep, that's the routine | 08:50 |
| slangasek | the alternative is that everyone makes "one last upload" with "just a small change that can't hurt" | 08:50 |
| bryce | so nice having the release manager in my time zone :-) | 08:51 |
| slangasek | heh | 08:51 |
| slangasek | that's UTC-10, right? | 08:51 |
| liw | bryce, no no, it's so nice having a release manager who never sleeps | 08:52 |
| liw | we should have more vampires develop Ubuntu | 08:52 |
| liw | "Ubuntu: Linux not just for human beings" | 08:52 |
| slangasek | tseliot: do you agree with pitti's proposal in bug #351394? | 08:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 351394 in nvidia-common "nvidia -177 needs to be transitioned to -180 on upgrade" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/351394 | 08:55 |
| tseliot | let me check | 08:56 |
| tseliot | slangasek: I think I can migrate users without transitional packages when they do the upgrade through Update Manager and bug them to death with debconf if they upgrade from the command line | 08:58 |
| tseliot | which is what nvidia-common should do | 08:58 |
| slangasek | oh, nvidia-common already does this? | 08:58 |
| tseliot | slangasek: yes but it doesn't migrate users with the 177 driver yet though. It should be a trivial change | 09:00 |
| slangasek | ok | 09:00 |
| tseliot | slangasek: no, wait it should already do that (since revision 9): https://code.launchpad.net/~albertomilone/nvidia-common/main | 09:01 |
| bryce | is kde using Qt4.4 or 4.5 in jaunty? | 09:02 |
| slangasek | bryce: 4.5 | 09:02 |
| bryce | hrm | 09:02 |
| bryce | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=187356#c21 (in ref to our bug #350120) | 09:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 350120 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "painting artifacts with qt4.5 on radeon chipset" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/350120 | 09:03 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 187356 in qt "graphical corruption in multiple applications with qt-4 5" [Normal,New] | 09:03 |
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| === slangasek changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Archive: release freeze | Ubuntu 9.04 Beta released! | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper-intrepid | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | ||
| nixternal | bryce: there is no easy way of fixing the issues due to Kubuntu deciding to use Qt 4.5 (imho it was a bad decision) | 09:05 |
| nixternal | I would have to say that 350120 is more than likely a Qt/Kubuntu bug more so than an x bug...we knew the warning of using Qt4.5 with KDE <4.3 | 09:05 |
| bryce | nixternal: thanks, that's what I was wondering | 09:06 |
| bryce | nixternal: what package should this be filed against? | 09:06 |
| nixternal | qt | 09:06 |
| savvas | does anyone know the answer to bug 358271? is it actually a bug? | 09:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 358271 in console-setup "Unsupported settings in configuration file /etc/default/console-setup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/358271 | 09:07 |
| nixternal | woo, kubuntu isn't the only ones to make that mistake of using 4.5, I see gentoo did too :) | 09:07 |
| bryce | nixternal: hmm no such package 'qt'. 'qt4-x11'? | 09:08 |
| nixternal | ya, that's it | 09:08 |
| bryce | awesome thanks | 09:08 |
| nixternal | np | 09:08 |
| savvas | cjwatson: I'd like your comment for b ug 358271 when you find some time (since you were the last person that changed console-setup) | 09:15 |
| tkamppeter | slangasek, hi | 09:24 |
| tkamppeter | slangasek: I have uploaded HPLIP 3.9.2-3ubuntu4 and as it finished uploading I saw your e-mail that you have frozen the RC. So it missed the freeze for seconds. Can you pass it through? | 09:26 |
| slangasek | tkamppeter: it will be reviewed by the release team; there are no free passes for "almost" making the freeze cutoff, given that the official freeze deadline was several hours ago :) | 09:27 |
| tkamppeter | slangasek: sorry, if someone reports a problem I will put out a SRU. | 09:32 |
| ogra | slangasek, could you do me a favour and trigger a ports-live build (none of our fixes from yesterday seems to have made it on the 09 image) | 09:33 |
| ogra | *seem | 09:34 |
| slangasek | lool: ^^ could you do that, maybe? I'm trying to find my bed | 09:36 |
| seb128 | 'night slangasek | 09:37 |
| lool | slangasek: Happy to | 09:37 |
| lool | slangasek: Have a good night | 09:37 |
| slangasek | "trying" is still the operative word ;) | 09:37 |
| ogra | slangasek, i can do it myself, i just dont like to do it without asking during freezes ;) sleep tight | 09:38 |
| * lool throws a bed on slangasek | 09:38 | |
| slangasek | ogra: oh; "can you" vs. "can I" :-) | 09:40 |
| ogra | slangasek, yeah, sorry, you were still up ... GO TO BED NOW !!! | 09:40 |
| ogra | ;) | 09:40 |
| lool | slangasek, ogra: Kicking an ubuntu live build for armel | 09:42 |
| ogra | thanks | 09:43 |
| lool | (I verified the proper versions of casper, flash-kernel, and gnome-keyring are on the cdimage mirror; however I can't check on the buildds) | 09:43 |
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| lool | cjwatson: ogra reminded me that we shouldn't run for armel alone; will finish this run though, and I don't intend to run another full ports_daily-live build unless you say otherwise | 09:45 |
| tseliot | doko: any ideas as to why this happens when dist-upgrading to Jaunty (the program works well in Jaunty)? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-common/+bug/346099 | 09:47 |
| ubottu | Error: This bug is private | 09:47 |
| tseliot | it's no longer private now | 09:48 |
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| cjwatson | slangasek: ooh, confirmation of 44194 | 10:00 |
| * cjwatson offers up a quick prayer of thanks | 10:00 | |
| cjwatson | savvas: eek; will look, thanks | 10:01 |
| cjwatson | debian/changelog:284: * Removed debconf support for grp:alts_toggle, grp:ctrls_toggle, | 10:01 |
| StevenK | root@mangled:~# deluser ... | 10:03 |
| StevenK | Warning: Removing group `users', since no other user is part of it. | 10:03 |
| * StevenK gives adduser a penalty card for 'lying' | 10:03 | |
| savvas | cjwatson: thanks :) | 10:06 |
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| IntuitiveNipple | Do we have anyone to push an openjdk bug-fix? archive freeze is upon us and I haven't had a response from doko | 11:29 |
| doko | tseliot: this should be gone, afaik | 11:41 |
| doko | IntuitiveNipple: which one | 11:41 |
| IntuitiveNipple | doko: oh, you're there :) I emailed you and subscribed you to bug #344705 | 11:42 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 344705 in openjdk-6 "IcedTea Plugin Doesnt Work" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/344705 | 11:42 |
| IntuitiveNipple | doko: thought you may be on vacation | 11:42 |
| tseliot | doko: ok, thanks | 11:42 |
| doko | IntuitiveNipple: ok, looking | 11:44 |
| IntuitiveNipple | doko: thanks :) | 11:45 |
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| ogra | seb128, why is gnome-keyring started in two places ? | 12:15 |
| ogra | (pam starts it from gdm and xdg has an autostart file) | 12:15 |
| seb128 | not sure, they have different purpose | 12:16 |
| seb128 | the pam thing allows to automatically unlock it | 12:16 |
| seb128 | when entering your password on the login screen | 12:16 |
| ogra | we're trying to track down the 100% CPU usage on arm atm | 12:16 |
| ogra | and were wondering if a race could happen here | 12:16 |
| seb128 | the autostart is because you need to get it started when doing autologin or not using gdm too | 12:16 |
| ogra | its also confusing that we see it running with different options on different systems | 12:17 |
| seb128 | open upstream bugs | 12:17 |
| ogra | lool sees --start if not using gdm | 12:17 |
| seb128 | I don't know the details | 12:17 |
| ogra | i see --daemonize --login on my laptop | 12:17 |
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| lool | Hmm I wonder why printf '%c' 0xff doesn't output the same as printf '\xff' | 14:44 |
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| BUGabundo | seb128 is not here? | 14:46 |
| BUGabundo | is update to pidgin is crashing XMPP and SSL | 14:46 |
| BUGabundo | pidgin (1:2.5.5-1ubuntu7) * debian/patches/71_upstream_change_fix_ssl_crasher.patch: | 14:46 |
| calc | BUGabundo: file a bug with apport crash information :) | 14:47 |
| BUGabundo | doing so | 14:47 |
| BUGabundo | I have the .crash for it | 14:47 |
| BUGabundo | just don't have dbg symbols | 14:47 |
| BUGabundo | UM is running so I have to way to install it | 14:47 |
| BUGabundo | seb128: ping | 14:48 |
| BUGabundo | (02:46:31 PM) freenode: is update to pidgin is crashing XMPP and SSL | 14:48 |
| BUGabundo | (02:46:47 PM) freenode: pidgin (1:2.5.5-1ubuntu7) * debian/patches/71_upstream_change_fix_ssl_crasher.patch: | 14:48 |
| seb128 | BUGabundo: contextless ping warning | 14:48 |
| BUGabundo | sorry for the noise | 14:49 |
| seb128 | ? | 14:49 |
| IntuitiveNipple | lool: shell doesn't support leading 0x ? | 14:49 |
| IntuitiveNipple | lool: correction, %c only consumes first character, so you get the 0 | 14:49 |
| ogra | yeah, doesnt that need to be %s ? | 14:50 |
| seb128 | BUGabundo: did you have question or ...? | 14:50 |
| BUGabundo | seb128: its just that patch is making pidgin crash | 14:51 |
| BUGabundo | I just got the .crash and bt full | 14:51 |
| BUGabundo | reporning now on LP | 14:51 |
| seb128 | BUGabundo: are you sure you don't have bug #357949 rather? | 14:51 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 357949 in pidgin "Pidgin crashes when trying to connect to jabber" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/357949 | 14:51 |
| * BUGabundo looks | 14:51 | |
| BUGabundo | that's what happens | 14:51 |
| BUGabundo | but I just got it before lunch! | 14:52 |
| * seb128 grrr at user filing ton of duplicates | 14:52 | |
| BUGabundo | it was fine until then | 14:52 |
| BUGabundo | this bug is 18h old | 14:52 |
| lool | IntuitiveNipple: Indeed; quite counter-intuitive when compared to printf '%i' 0xff | 14:52 |
| lool | IntuitiveNipple: thanks | 14:52 |
| seb128 | BUGabundo: and you did restart pidgin after upgrade since yesterday before that? | 14:52 |
| IntuitiveNipple | printf '\xXX' prints the single character with code 0xXX, whereas '%c' prints the ASCII char at index 0 of the relevant argument | 14:52 |
| BUGabundo | of course | 14:53 |
| lool | ogra: I wanted to output a byte with the value 0xff, %s would have output "0xff" | 14:53 |
| IntuitiveNipple | lool: Yeah, that could get confusing! | 14:53 |
| BUGabundo | just added my bt full to that bug | 14:53 |
| ogra | lool, ah | 14:53 |
| lool | IntuitiveNipple: I think %c in C is just like %i or %d, not like %s -- which is why i was confused | 14:53 |
| lool | Anyway \xff works fine | 14:54 |
| IntuitiveNipple | lool: convoluted but this works: printf "\x$(printf '%x' 0xff)" | 14:54 |
| * lool fails to see the point :) | 14:55 | |
| IntuitiveNipple | lool: just because it can :p | 14:55 |
| IntuitiveNipple | lool: might be useful in some weird string-processing scenario :) | 14:55 |
| lool | I would just find %c much easier if it wasn't %.1s | 14:56 |
| IntuitiveNipple | lool: yeah, that'd have to guess the argument type was a hex-expressed byte | 14:56 |
| BUGabundo | seb128: renaming ~/.purple/icons/ seems to work | 14:58 |
| lool | (It does for %i and %d!) | 14:58 |
| IntuitiveNipple | yeah, that is almost looking like a bug | 15:00 |
| seb128 | BUGabundo: I told you that's the same bug ;-) | 15:00 |
| IntuitiveNipple | since it says 'printf uses the C format specifiers' | 15:00 |
| BUGabundo | thanks for the tip seb128 | 15:00 |
| lool | I guess it wont every be changed for compatibility purposes | 15:01 |
| IntuitiveNipple | possibly not, but... "...all C format specifications ending with one of diouxXfeEgGcs, with ARGUMENTs converted to proper type first..." | 15:01 |
| seb128 | BUGabundo: you're welcome | 15:01 |
| IntuitiveNipple | lool: Is it bash you're working with? | 15:02 |
| IntuitiveNipple | lool: bug #225637 | 15:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 225637 in coreutils "printf(1) %c doesn't work as expected, instead like %.1s." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/225637 | 15:03 |
| lool | Eh | 15:03 |
| IntuitiveNipple | "POSIX requires the current behavior" | 15:04 |
| lool | IntuitiveNipple: It's zsh | 15:04 |
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| IntuitiveNipple | lool: http://www.zsh.org/mla/workers/2004/msg00356.html | 15:08 |
| * Hobbsee mourns the loss of working pidgin | 15:12 | |
| ogra | use drums | 15:12 |
| BUGabundo | Hobbsee: it is workable | 15:13 |
| BUGabundo | if you like to loose all your old avatars | 15:13 |
| Hobbsee | BUGabundo: how does one fix it so it doens't segfault when it's trying to connect? | 15:13 |
| lool | right | 15:13 |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/357949 | 15:13 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 357949 in pidgin "Pidgin crashes when trying to connect to jabber" [High,Confirmed] | 15:13 |
| BUGabundo | Hobbsee: rename ~/.purple/icons/ | 15:13 |
| seb128 | or remove the gst plugin which lead to the crash | 15:14 |
| Hobbsee | ah, lovely. | 15:14 |
| * BUGabundo rather rename... hope I can get it back later.... I love too much my avatar cache | 15:14 | |
| seb128 | BUGabundo: just rremove /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstladspa.so | 15:17 |
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| ogra | tedg, should pidgins contact list minimize into the notifier applet ? | 16:22 |
| Hobbsee | ogra: I wish! | 16:22 |
| * ogra never uses pidgin ... | 16:22 | |
| tedg | ogra, into the messaging menu? Yes, it should. Assuming you have the plugin enabled of course. | 16:23 |
| ogra_babbage | only here on the test machine for IRC | 16:23 |
| tedg | Hobbsee: That got fixed with the 0.1.5 upload of indicator-applet and libindicate. | 16:23 |
| ogra_babbage | tedg: well, thats a fresh jaunty install, shouldnt it be enabled by default ? | 16:23 |
| Hobbsee | ah ha. excellent. | 16:23 |
| ogra_babbage | the buddy list definately minimizes to teh windowlist here | 16:24 |
| tedg | ogra_babbage: Yes. Is it up to date? | 16:24 |
| ogra_babbage | built this afternoon (UTC) | 16:24 |
| tedg | ogra_babbage: Oh, minimizes? It'll minimize to the window list, if you close it, it'll go into the menu. | 16:24 |
| ogra_babbage | if i close it it shuts down pidgin | 16:24 |
| ogra_babbage | it only minimizes to the applet if i click on the submenu in the applet | 16:25 |
| ogra_babbage | oh, now it doesnt | 16:26 |
| ogra_babbage | weird | 16:26 |
| ogra_babbage | tedg: ignore me, seems it does what it should, though i'm sure it just closed when i tried that before | 16:26 |
| * tedg hacked into ogra_babbage's machine and fixed it ;) | 16:26 | |
| ogra_babbage | might that have to do with the fact that i wasnt connected before ? | 16:27 |
| tedg | You should really change that password... | 16:27 |
| ogra_babbage | damned ... i shouldnt have blogged it :) | 16:27 |
| tedg | ogra_babbage: Yes, I think that Pidgin does take that into account. If you're completely offline it closes. | 16:27 |
| ogra_babbage | ah, ok then it DTRT | 16:28 |
| cr3 | anyone happen to know since when apt-transport-https has been in ubuntu-standard? | 17:05 |
| cr3 | err, "in" as in a dependency of the ubuntu-standard meta package :) | 17:05 |
| james_w | just this release | 17:06 |
| cody-somerville | Earlier this release cycle I believe | 17:06 |
| cr3 | james_w: excellent, that saved me quite a bit of searching :) | 17:06 |
| cjwatson | cr3: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/platform.jaunty/revision/1296 | 17:13 |
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| plars | pitti_: awake? | 17:34 |
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| Ampelbein | hmm. apport on intrepid states: "upload() got an unexpected keyword argument 'staging'" | 17:59 |
| james_w | do you have a backtrace? | 18:02 |
| dendrobates | slangasek: we have a problem with the upload of eucalyptus soren made yesterday. | 18:05 |
| dendrobates | slangasek: he introduced a critical bug. | 18:05 |
| slangasek | dendrobates: I saw a new bug opened, yes | 18:05 |
| dendrobates | slangasek: this basically completely breaks eucalyptus. Is there any way I can get this in? | 18:06 |
| slangasek | dendrobates: yes, please get the fix uploaded | 18:06 |
| dendrobates | it is uploaded. | 18:06 |
| Ampelbein | james_w: no. http://paste.ubuntu.com/147778/ is all i get. | 18:06 |
| dendrobates | slangasek: ^^^ | 18:06 |
| Ampelbein | states network error, but i can connect to launchpad without problems. | 18:06 |
| slangasek | dendrobates: ok, then I'll review it as soon as I can | 18:07 |
| dendrobates | slangasek: thanks much. | 18:07 |
| kees | james_w: excellent reply to the PolicyKit design "bug". we'll have to use that as a FAQ if it comes up again. | 18:08 |
| Ng | asac: I'm going a bit crazy here... thunderbird should be able to see gnome-vfs shares, right? | 18:11 |
| ion_ | kees: URL please. | 18:11 |
| kees | ion_: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/358086 | 18:14 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 358086 in policykit-gnome "Exploitable to gain root access with non-priveleged user" [Undecided,Invalid] | 18:14 |
| ion_ | Thanks | 18:14 |
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| kees | slangasek: which MIRs are critical to release still? | 18:28 |
| slangasek | kees: the ones that show up with 'Ubuntu Jaunty' on https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mir/+subscribedbugs | 18:29 |
| slangasek | (I'm not done filing all the ones that apply, unfortunately) | 18:29 |
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| * kees face-palms | 18:49 | |
| IntuitiveNipple | I've just helped a user solve a fail-at-initrd stage bug with jaunty. It was failing to find the root partition. Eventually we worked out that udev wasn't building its db. Then the user recalled seeing a message scroll past during boot "udevadm trigger is not premitted while udev is unconfigured" and it turned out that dpkg hasn't completed configuring before the system was rebooted. | 18:57 |
| IntuitiveNipple | Where precisely should that be posted against? | 18:58 |
| ion_ | Oh noes, the fonts are blurry again. I wonder which package caused it? I have installed many sets of upgrades since the previous reboot/login. Setting lcdfilter as lcdlegacy doesn’t work anymore. | 19:00 |
| kees | IntuitiveNipple: sounds like the install/upgrade didn't finish before you rebooted. | 19:04 |
| IntuitiveNipple | kees: not me; the user. apparently the system restart icon came up and so he rebooted | 19:04 |
| kees | IntuitiveNipple: ah, so "please reboot" happened even though a package failed to install? | 19:05 |
| kees | IntuitiveNipple: check the dpkg logs and figure out if it was udev or linux that failed, and open it against that package. | 19:05 |
| kees | it does seem that the update-notifier file should only be put in place if the postinst finishes successfully. :( | 19:06 |
| IntuitiveNipple | kees: apparently so. Took a while to diagnose it because he was stuck in the initrd busybox, but the fix was a live-CD env, chroot to the install, and "dpkg --configure -a" | 19:06 |
| slangasek | does the notification icon know not to launch if dpkg is still running? | 19:06 |
| IntuitiveNipple | I'm wanting to post a bug but not sure which package to put it against. I found another report of the same issue in forums | 19:06 |
| kees | slangasek: not sure | 19:07 |
| kees | IntuitiveNipple: you could open it against both udev and linux :) | 19:07 |
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| IntuitiveNipple | kees: I'm sure Scott would love that! | 19:10 |
| kees | IntuitiveNipple: heh, well both of those packages drop the "please reboot" file, so they likely both need to be fixed. | 19:11 |
| IntuitiveNipple | I'll quote you in the bug report then! | 19:12 |
| kees | IntuitiveNipple: well, please include the logs of the failure too. :) | 19:12 |
| IntuitiveNipple | kees: there's not much of those since it was initrd, but I've got something from a forum post. | 19:13 |
| kees | IntuitiveNipple: the package update logs, I mean | 19:13 |
| kees | IntuitiveNipple: i.e. figure out what state the system was in prior to rebooting | 19:13 |
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| IntuitiveNipple | kees: ah ok... the user reported he updates every day, so the diff was between yesterday and today | 19:15 |
| kees | IntuitiveNipple: have them include /var/log/dpkg.log | 19:16 |
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| IntuitiveNipple | kees: too late unfortunately - the user had to go to 'karate' ... I suspect he'll be taking out some frustration for the bug :) | 19:19 |
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| slangasek | kees: mumble | 19:20 |
| slangasek | kees: ok, I guess I'll hack the crap out of libitext to disable libpdfrenderer? | 19:21 |
| kees | slangasek: I'm really really against libpdfrenderer. fixing PDF vulnerabilities is hugely time-consuming. :( | 19:22 |
| slangasek | ok | 19:22 |
| Keybuk | IntuitiveNipple, kees: definitely not a bug in udev or linux | 19:23 |
| Keybuk | well, maybe linux | 19:23 |
| Keybuk | but not udev | 19:23 |
| IntuitiveNipple | Keybuk: ok, I didn't think so... what would you suggest? | 19:23 |
| Keybuk | if you get "udevadm not permitted" inside your initramfs, something called update-initramfs without depending on initramfs-tools! | 19:23 |
| kees | Keybuk: ah-ha | 19:23 |
| Keybuk | (initramfs-tools depends on udev obv.) | 19:23 |
| IntuitiveNipple | hmmm, so maybe initramfs-tools then? My main aim is to keep this on the radar in case others hit it, since it looks like a rare corner-case | 19:24 |
| Keybuk | no, not initramfs-tools | 19:24 |
| Keybuk | initramfs-tools is fine | 19:24 |
| IntuitiveNipple | and the explanation isn't obvious | 19:24 |
| Keybuk | it's a bug on whatever package *called* initramfs-tools from its postinst | 19:24 |
| Keybuk | without depending on initramfs-tools | 19:24 |
| IntuitiveNipple | I think i'll assign it to "Ubuntu" :0 | 19:24 |
| Keybuk | that would be unhelpful | 19:24 |
| Keybuk | please don't do that | 19:25 |
| Keybuk | instead grep /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.postinst and look for calls to update-initramfs | 19:25 |
| Keybuk | and check each of the packages to make sure they have Depends: initramfs-tools | 19:25 |
| Keybuk | if you find some which don't, file bugs on them | 19:25 |
| IntuitiveNipple | I'll need the user to return to be able to do that/ | 19:28 |
| james_w | kees: thanks | 19:28 |
| IntuitiveNipple | Keybuk: what source/script issues that "... not permitted...' text - I couldn't find it grep-ing the initrd or the udev package, but the user may not have reported it correctly | 19:35 |
| kees | Keybuk: ntfs-3g | 19:35 |
| kees | for i in $(grep update-initramfs *.{post,pre}{rm,inst} | cut -d: -f1 | perl -pe 's/\.(post|pre)(inst|rm)//' | sort -u); do apt-cache depends --recurse $i | grep Depends | grep -q initramfs-tools || echo $i; done | 19:36 |
| slangasek | kees: pdfrenderer build-dep axed | 19:36 |
| * kees hugs slangasek | 19:36 | |
| Keybuk | kees: can you fix it? | 19:37 |
| kees | Keybuk: we're in freeze, but if slangasek says "yes" | 19:38 |
| slangasek | yes | 19:38 |
| jcole | fyi guys, installing flashplugin-nonfree on jaunty 64bit installs the 32bit plugin | 19:40 |
| kees | jcole: by design | 19:40 |
| LordKow | yes it does | 19:40 |
| jcole | kees: why | 19:40 |
| LordKow | adobe's 64-bit version is still in development and is unstable. | 19:40 |
| kees | jcole: because the 64bit plugin is still in beta. | 19:41 |
| jcole | kees: hmm, its always worked fine for me | 19:41 |
| LordKow | but not everyone, and it's not something ubuntu can maintain/fix | 19:42 |
| jcole | kees: is there a 64 bit package in ubuntu? | 19:42 |
| jcole | kees: its not like other beta software doesnt exist in the repos ;) | 19:43 |
| kees | jcole: there is no officially supported 64bit flash plugin. | 19:43 |
| kees | in ubuntu | 19:43 |
| kees | jcole: I wish it did, though :) | 19:44 |
| kees | jcole: I've been running the 64bit plugin for a few months now, and it's rock-solid for me. | 19:44 |
| LaserJock | bryce: I just had another lockup, this time on i386. I think maybe I'm going to go back to the -intel assumption | 19:45 |
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| jcole | kees: same here... who says its unstable? or does unstable=beta | 19:45 |
| kees | jcole: the problem is that Adobe hasn't officially released it, so tracking it as it updates is harder. | 19:46 |
| kees | Keybuk: just to be sure I understand, this is the only thing that needs changing, right? | 19:46 |
| kees | -Depends: ${shlibs:Depends} | 19:46 |
| kees | +Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, initramfs-tools | 19:46 |
| james_w | Ampelbein: is your python-launchpad-bugs package at 0.3.5? | 19:46 |
| bryce | LaserJock: bug #? | 19:47 |
| LaserJock | bryce: don't have one as of yet, I don't know what the heck to even write | 19:47 |
| Keybuk | kees: | 19:47 |
| Keybuk | kees: yup | 19:47 |
| Keybuk | it's a simple dependency issue | 19:47 |
| jcole | kees: i have problems with the 32 bit plugin... for example, when i close firefox, i will still hear sound and see a bunch of nspluginwrapper processes that i have to kill manually... ive never had that problem after switching to the 64bit version | 19:47 |
| LaserJock | bryce: it just seems to lock up when I do too many things at once | 19:47 |
| Keybuk | because of the move of udev from /etc/udev/rules.d to /lib/udev/rules.d it became important that things don't muck around with udevadm while udev is mid-air | 19:48 |
| slangasek | kees: ok, how's odt2txt look to you for a MIR candidate? (would like to know if it has a shot before writing up the MIR) | 19:48 |
| kees | jcole: agreed. | 19:48 |
| jcole | kees: if you ask me, the 32bit plugin is unstable | 19:48 |
| Keybuk | ie. Depend on udev if you use it | 19:48 |
| kees | jcole: I blame nspluginwrapper :) | 19:48 |
| jcole | kees: it also locks up my sound card | 19:48 |
| Keybuk | and as a result, Depend on initramfs-tools too | 19:48 |
| kees | slangasek: one sec | 19:48 |
| kees | jcole: that I blame on pulseaudio. ;) | 19:48 |
| jcole | kees: even though the 64bit version is "beta", its more stable than the 32bit version... so why not put a more stable version in the repos for 64 bit users? | 19:51 |
| slangasek | because we're releasing in three weeks and are not going to rearrange the package based on one anecdotal report that the 64-bit version is more stable | 19:52 |
| slangasek | sorry, two weeks | 19:52 |
| kees | slangasek: ntfs-3g uploaded | 19:53 |
| slangasek | ok, will snag it | 19:54 |
| kees | jcole: asac is the best person to answer that; he has a plan for what will be happening in karmic | 19:54 |
| kees | slangasek: odt2txt looks probably okay, though I'm cringing at the embedded zip processor... | 19:54 |
| jcole | slangasek: understood, and another name could be ia64-flashplugin-nonfree... the reason of it not being in repos because its "beta" doesnt make sense to ,e when we have lots of other experimental software in the repos (ie: samba4) | 19:56 |
| jcole | s/,e/me | 19:56 |
| kees | (jcole: ia64 != x86_64) | 19:57 |
| jcole | kees: heh, sorry | 19:57 |
| jcole | kees: i didnt mean itanium | 19:57 |
| kees | jcole: anyway, the issue is that no one stepped up to handle it in jaunty | 19:57 |
| kees | jcole: asac has plans for doing it karmic though | 19:58 |
| IntuitiveNipple | kees: looks like fuse-utils is affected too | 19:59 |
| slangasek | right; samba4 is there because there's a Debian maintainer for it, whereas for flash we have a hard enough time getting one package maintained sensibly | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | http://s41.radikal.ru/i094/0904/90/4db739743759.jpg | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | err. sorry, ignore that | 20:01 |
| Keybuk | pretty | 20:01 |
| kees | IntuitiveNipple: I see initramfs-tools in the depends for fuse-utils | 20:01 |
| Keybuk | kees: weird, I don't | 20:02 |
| kees | Keybuk: fuse-utils -> udev -> initramfs-tools | 20:02 |
| IntuitiveNipple | kees: hmmm, strange | 20:02 |
| Keybuk | ah, good point | 20:02 |
| Keybuk | yes, it's fine to depend on udev or initramfs-tools | 20:02 |
| alex-weej_ | is Hibernate supposed to use a normal file if no swap partition is enabled? | 20:02 |
| Keybuk | alex-weej_: no | 20:03 |
| kees | Keybuk: so you're saying a package must declare its own Depend on udev/initramfs-tools if it uses it, not just via a recursive depend? | 20:03 |
| alex-weej_ | Keybuk: ok, critical bug in jaunty then | 20:03 |
| Keybuk | alex-weej_: which is critical? | 20:03 |
| Keybuk | kees: recursive is fine | 20:03 |
| Keybuk | kees: dpkg postinst ordering reasons, not esoteric | 20:03 |
| kees | Keybuk: okay, then I think my cmdline above should find them all, and only ntfs-3g popped out | 20:04 |
| slangasek | it's not "fine", it's brittle; it works as long as the recursive depends is there | 20:04 |
| Keybuk | alex-weej_: are you saying that hibernate is creating a file for you? | 20:04 |
| slangasek | and starts failing as soon as the thing you were relying on to do the depending for you no longer does | 20:04 |
| alex-weej_ | Keybuk: i accidentally hit Hibernate instead of Suspend in FUSA menu, something printed on the console "no swap partition enabled, try swapon -a" but the disk just churned away for > 10 minutes before i gave up and forced a reboot | 20:04 |
| alex-weej_ | = lost data | 20:04 |
| Keybuk | alex-weej_: that doesn't sound that Critical to me | 20:04 |
| alex-weej_ | data loss = critical | 20:05 |
| Keybuk | it sounds like "don't do that then" with a low or medium bug | 20:05 |
| Keybuk | then it's a critical bug that Ubuntu loses data if I hit my computer with a lump-hammer? | 20:05 |
| Keybuk | *you* powered off your computer | 20:05 |
| Keybuk | if you'd left it alone, it might have recovered | 20:05 |
| Keybuk | and I'd be surprised if it lost data in the process, hibernate usually involves a sync | 20:05 |
| kees | slangasek: if that's so, then these need something: watershed cryptsetup dmsetup kbd linux-ubuntu-modules-* | 20:05 |
| slangasek | kees: those all invoke update-initramfs but don't depend on initramfs-tools? | 20:05 |
| alex-weej_ | Keybuk: what on EARTH could it be doing to my disk for 10 minutes? i was more worried that it was writing RAM to my data partitions than anything else | 20:06 |
| kees | $ grep update-initramfs cryptsetup.* | 20:06 |
| kees | cryptsetup.postinst:if [ -x /usr/sbin/update-initramfs ]; then | 20:06 |
| kees | cryptsetup.postinst:update-initramfs -u | 20:06 |
| kees | $ apt-cache show cryptsetup | grep Depends | 20:06 |
| kees | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.8), libdevmapper1.02.1 (>= 2:1.02.20), libgcrypt11 (>= 1.4.0), libgpg-error0 (>= 1.4), libpopt0 (>= 1.14), libuuid1 (>= 1.05), dmsetup | 20:06 |
| Keybuk | alex-weej_: it wouldn't have done that, it's more likely it was simply paging | 20:06 |
| slangasek | linux-ubuntu-modules-* no longer exists | 20:06 |
| alex-weej_ | i don't have a swap partition | 20:06 |
| alex-weej_ | how could it page? | 20:06 |
| IntuitiveNipple | It's bug #358654 | 20:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 358654 in ntfs-3g "udevadm trigger is not permitted while udev is unconfigured" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/358654 | 20:07 |
| Keybuk | alex-weej_: it can still flush the cache and then have to reload everything file-backed from disk | 20:07 |
| slangasek | kees: dmsetup doesn't appear to even recursively depend on initramfs-tools? | 20:07 |
| alex-weej_ | it doesn't take 10 minutes to bring my system up from cold | 20:07 |
| kees | slangasek: odd, my lum is purged, but I still have dpkg info files for it. | 20:08 |
| Keybuk | alex-weej_: by all means file a bug | 20:08 |
| Keybuk | but please realise that it's *NOT* critical | 20:08 |
| cody-somerville | Does amd64 use the generic kernel? | 20:08 |
| Keybuk | cody-somerville: amd64 has its own kernel | 20:08 |
| slangasek | it has its own kernel, which is called "-generic" | 20:08 |
| kees | slangasek: ah! apt-cache depends is following Breaks | 20:08 |
| slangasek | kees: right :) | 20:08 |
| Keybuk | alex-weej_: you powered off your own machine - so at best, you could file a critical bug on yourself ;) | 20:08 |
| cody-somerville | Keybuk, whats it called? | 20:09 |
| cody-somerville | linux-amd64 doesn't seem to exist | 20:09 |
| Keybuk | cody-somerville: generic iirc | 20:09 |
| kees | cody-somerville: linux-generic | 20:09 |
| slangasek | Keybuk: how long should one sit in front of a hung machine before it's reasonable to conclude it's not coming back, then? | 20:09 |
| alex-weej_ | Keybuk: by that logic any bug that causes a system hang but doesn't kill the power is not critical | 20:09 |
| IntuitiveNipple | cody-somerville: it's a different arch; same package names | 20:09 |
| Keybuk | alex-weej_: you said the disk was active | 20:10 |
| Keybuk | doesn't sound like a hang, simply sounds like it was busy | 20:10 |
| Keybuk | it's certainly a bug | 20:10 |
| alex-weej_ | Keybuk: and in a normal "hang" situation, it's difficult to tell whether anything is "active" | 20:10 |
| alex-weej_ | well the keyboard fails to respond | 20:10 |
| kees | Keybuk, slangasek: list seems to include: dmsetup cryptsetup kbd watershed. shall I shove each of those? | 20:11 |
| IntuitiveNipple | kees: do you want to add them to the bug report, or shall I? They're currently in a comment | 20:12 |
| kees | IntuitiveNipple: I can add them | 20:12 |
| IntuitiveNipple | kees: ok | 20:12 |
| IntuitiveNipple | Do we have a way to search the archive to identify other packages that we may not have installed that also need patching? | 20:13 |
| kees | Keybuk: watershed only Recommends udev -- was there a reason to try to keep its Depends light? | 20:14 |
| kees | Keybuk: and cryptsetup has initramfs-tools as a Suggests | 20:16 |
| kees | slangasek: let me know what you think; I'm nervous to make these changes post-freeze for the less-obvious cases. | 20:18 |
| slangasek | kees: Depends is the only way to enforce package configuration prior to the postinst being run, which is what we're trying to achieve; I think these are all "obvious" cases | 20:19 |
| kees | slangasek: okay | 20:19 |
| kees | slangasek: and you think I should even add it for those that Depend on udev already? | 20:21 |
| slangasek | kees: I think those are not worth bothering with right now because the transitive dep does take care of it | 20:22 |
| slangasek | but we should eventually fix those rather than relying on another package to guarantee us something we should be depending on directly | 20:22 |
| dendrobates | slangasek: soren did not actually up load eucalyptus, he wanted approval first. it is on chinstrap chinstrap:~soren/upload/ and in his ppa. | 20:30 |
| dendrobates | slangasek: sorry for the bad information. | 20:30 |
| slangasek | is it signed? | 20:30 |
| dendrobates | slangasek: yes. | 20:32 |
| slangasek | dendrobates: could you throw it at the queue for me? :) | 20:32 |
| dendrobates | slangasek: yes. | 20:32 |
| kees | slangasek: cryptsetup, devmapper, kbd, watershed all uploaded. | 20:40 |
| dendrobates | slangasek: uploaded | 20:44 |
| IntuitiveNipple | kees: looks like just in time another user is reporting it too | 20:44 |
| IntuitiveNipple | and there were two others that came and went before we could investigate this afternoon, too | 20:45 |
| geser | anyone here using (g)vim and bicyclerepair? | 21:16 |
| gopogo | ubuntu jaunty is not detecting windows during installation | 21:25 |
| gopogo | why its nort detecting windwows during installation | 21:26 |
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| hyperair | gopogo: dunno, but this isn't the right place. head to #ubuntu. | 21:32 |
| hyperair | gopogo: sorry i meant #ubuntu+1 | 21:32 |
| hyperair | you might like to file a bug too | 21:32 |
| dtchen | hyperair: yes, i'll queue it, thanks | 22:00 |
| hyperair | dtchen: alright thanks | 22:00 |
| DBO | bryce, do you mind talking a bit of intel xorg with me? | 22:10 |
| DBO | erm, actually I'll take this to #ubuntu-x | 22:11 |
| ScottK | cprov: Would you please tell me why usplash no longer gets built on ia64? | 22:18 |
| pwnguin | itanium? | 22:19 |
| ScottK | Yep. | 22:19 |
| cprov | ScottK, I don't know, but i can quickly check for you. | 22:19 |
| ScottK | cprov: Thanks. | 22:19 |
| kirkland | slangasek: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nut/+bug/357583 | 22:19 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 357583 in nut "missing the last bit for powering off the system" [High,In progress] | 22:19 |
| kirkland | slangasek: trivial debdiff attached, ubuntu-release subscribed | 22:19 |
| cprov | ScottK: pas-ed -> %usplash: amd64 armel i386 lpia powerpc sparc | 22:20 |
| slangasek | dendrobates: oh, in fact, eucalyptus was uploaded already | 22:22 |
| dendrobates | slangasek: yeah, I misuderstood sorens message. | 22:23 |
| slangasek | well, I'll just review the one of them. :) | 22:24 |
| ScottK | cprov: Thanks. | 22:24 |
| slangasek | kirkland: ack | 22:24 |
| cprov | ScottK: usplash was recently enabled for lpia, last time it was allowed to build in ia64 was in hardy | 22:24 |
| cprov | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/usplash/0.5.19 | 22:24 |
| ScottK | cprov: We've got the same problem on ia64. | 22:24 |
| kirkland | slangasek: ack = message received, or go ahead with upload? | 22:24 |
| slangasek | kirkland: well, both; no reason to wait for review prior to uploading to the queue | 22:25 |
| kirkland | slangasek: synack | 22:25 |
| dtchen | hyperair: i'll just reopen 202089 and sub the relevant parties | 22:34 |
| hyperair | dtchen: okay | 22:35 |
| dtchen | slangasek: do you prefer that i subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/202089/comments/127 ? | 22:48 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 202089 in pulseaudio "Pulseaudio is blocking normal sound after resume" [Low,Fix committed] | 22:48 |
| slangasek | lool, persia: the VFP-optimized libs are still 'in progress'? | 22:55 |
| lool | slangasek: 2 are in the canonical-arm-dev PPA, but gtk+ doesn't want to complete building | 22:56 |
| persia | slangasek, I'm hoping to pass the other two to lool today for testing there as well. | 22:56 |
| slangasek | which 2 are in the PPA right now? | 22:56 |
| slangasek | more to the point, why are they not uploaded to jaunty? | 22:56 |
| slangasek | dtchen: prefer relative to what? | 22:57 |
| persia | slangasek, pango and gtk+, and because they might break something. | 22:57 |
| dtchen | slangasek: simply finding a sponsor | 22:57 |
| lool | slangasek: Actually gtk+ just built an hour ago | 22:57 |
| slangasek | persia: but, er, of course they might break something; if they're going to be uploaded to jaunty at all, it should be sooner rather than later? | 22:58 |
| slangasek | dtchen: ah; then I have no preference at all, unless you're trying to tag me to be a sponsor ;) | 22:58 |
| persia | slangasek, OK. I'll just seek sponsorship for the other two, rather than passing them through lool. | 22:58 |
| lool | slangasek: I wanted to run them before pushing to the archive and perhaps breaking builds etc. | 22:59 |
| slangasek | lool: if you're specifically concerned that the new packages are going to break arm itself, then that's fine, do what you need to in order to QA them - if it was a question of general breakage, though, better to get more eyeballs on the packages | 23:00 |
| slangasek | but in any case, they need to get to the archive soon | 23:01 |
| radix | slangasek: hi, I have (sad to say) some changes that I'd like to nominate for jaunty for landscape-client. they're bugfix-only. I've prepared everything: should I subscribe ubuntu-release to the bug? | 23:01 |
| lool | slangasek: My plan was to upload them to PPA, run them, push to archive; cdimage/debian-cd kept me busy and gtk took longer to build than expected, so it's not done yet, sorry | 23:01 |
| slangasek | radix: if they're bugfix-only, please get the package uploaded to jaunty and it can be reviewed from there in the unapproved queue | 23:01 |
| radix | slangasek: oh, okay, so I'll get a regular main uploader to do that? | 23:02 |
| slangasek | lool: sounds like things are on track from here, so no worries | 23:02 |
| slangasek | radix: yes | 23:02 |
| radix | sorry for the distraction. thanks very much | 23:02 |
| Keybuk_ | I like hard locks just before RC | 23:05 |
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| radix | are there any main sponsors that could take a look at bug #358744 for me? | 23:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 358744 in landscape-client "Update to landscape-client 1.0.29, which is a bugfix-only release" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/358744 | 23:07 |
| lool | slangasek: Pushed pango; gtk failed QA (missing one substitution, so I've pushed it again) | 23:18 |
| slangasek | ok | 23:19 |
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