[00:42] <nineteenfingers> hey folks, thought i'd ask this again before i head off... is there a quick (and preferably easy) way to search for duplicate files within a folder on a mounted NTFS partition?
[00:52] <cody-somerville> nineteenfingers, yup
[00:52] <cody-somerville> nineteenfingers, You could generate an md5sum for all the files and look for duplicates
[00:56] <nineteenfingers> forgive my ignorance here - i've never done anything with md5sums before - but i've got 15.3 GB of files (18545 items) i need to compare - is doing that (creating the sums and looking for duplicates) an automatic procedure or something i'd have to do file by file?
[00:57] <cody-somerville> nineteenfingers, Are all the files in a single directory?
[00:58] <HazimG> is there an alternative to gsynaptics-mcs-plugin in xubuntu 9.04?
[00:58] <cody-somerville> HazimG, what are you trying to do?
[00:59] <HazimG> mostly just disable tapping, scrolling, that sort of thing
[00:59] <nineteenfingers> cody-somerville many subdirectories of a single directory... all of the files are in sub-directories in a single directory i've called "BackupStuff" on an XP user's desktop (mounted to /mnt)
[00:59] <cody-somerville> nineteenfingers, http://code.activestate.com/recipes/551777/ <-- seems like a great script here
[00:59] <HazimG> weird
[01:00] <HazimG> mostly just disable tapping and scrolling
[01:00] <cody-somerville> nineteenfingers, It'll need some modification to be recursive though. I could help you with that.
[01:00] <HazimG> I know I could do it via a synclient script, but I was wondering if there was a gui tool available / in the works
[01:00] <cody-somerville> HazimG, hmm...
[01:01] <cody-somerville> JPohlmann, Do you know?
[01:02] <JPohlmann> Hm, no. There's no replacement for gsynaptics-mcs-plugin. But maybe there are other GTK+ tools for synaptics touch pads.
[01:03] <nineteenfingers> sounds like a fun project - a couple of issues though... 1> my coding skills barely get past "hello world" and even that's not in Python. 2> i'm working on a live disk so not entirely sure how useful i'd be in the process of modifying it and 3> i was hoping for something pretty quick - this is all for a repair job i'm doing on someone's XP system - i can't say i fancy sinking much time into coding a script (or getting someone els
[01:03] <nineteenfingers> e to do so) - i'm just trying to reduce the size of the backup i need to make (currently looking at about 6 hours to transfer everything to another machine - anything that wasn't very quick would be a false economy)
[01:03] <HazimG> well there's gsynaptics, but it doesn't load the settings at the start of the session like gsynaptics-mcs-plugin did
[01:03] <nineteenfingers> cody-somerville - that said... i probably would like a project like that if i had the time - it just seems kinda overkill for a single task i have to do today or tomorrow :p
[01:04] <nineteenfingers> oh and i know 3 isn't a couple - haha
[01:04] <cody-somerville> nineteenfingers, Making it recursive would probably only take me a few seconds
[01:05] <HazimG> the plugin itself is only 2kb, and most of it is just #includes, so I believe it would be trivial to convert it from using mcs to xconf, but I'm not certain
[01:06] <nineteenfingers> right - well there's still another issue to consider - might be a biggie - i'm using a live disk and the system is pretty gutless (only 256MB RAM) - even if I had a way to compile the code I don't think it'd be up t the job and would need doing again if the system crashed for any reason (it has a few times so far when i try to ask too much of it)
[01:07] <nineteenfingers> sorry  don't think the hardware would be up to the job of compiling it... and would need to recompile every time if it crashed - my wording wasn't too clear first time
[01:07] <nineteenfingers> maybe i'm wrong about the hardware though - i'm not exactly experienced with such matters
[01:07] <cody-somerville> python is interpreted and not compiled
[01:08] <cody-somerville> However, I do suspect the script will take a long time to complete based on the information you've provided - lots of data to look at.
[01:09] <nineteenfingers> yea - just read the "Discussion" on the bottom of that page - it sounds like a great script - very useful when you need it - but likely to give this machine a pretty severe headache
[01:10] <nineteenfingers> think i might just back up the whole 15.3 gig and move onto something a touch more productive like actually earning money (sometimes it sucks being the one in the family who can struggle away and fix a computer)
[01:12] <nineteenfingers> hmm... if i'm on a machine with just 1 optical drive, running linux from a live cd, is it possible to burn a dvd under linux on that machine or can i not remove the linux live disk?
[01:12] <nineteenfingers> probably gonna be quickest to just drop these files onto a few DVD-RWs
[01:12] <cody-somerville> You can not remove the disk
[01:13] <nineteenfingers> thought that might be the case
[01:13] <cody-somerville> Although there are linux distributions can do that
[01:13] <cody-somerville> Like recovery ones
[01:13] <cody-somerville> But I dunno if burning would work
[01:13] <HazimG> I use slax for that sort of thing
[01:14] <HazimG> there's a toram option that loads the OS to ram so you can remove the disc
[01:14] <HazimG> though I think knoppix and dsl have similar options
[01:14] <nineteenfingers> hmm - might be worth a look - though for time (downloading an iso, burning it, booting to it, mounting the drive and finally burning the disks - it might actually work out quicker and easier to just do the 6 hour network transfer i'm trying to avoid
[01:15] <cody-somerville> Might just be easier to buy a new hard drive :P
[01:15] <nineteenfingers> HazimG - think i've got a DSL disk around here that might be good for that
[01:15] <HazimG> the only thing is I don't know if dsl has python
[01:16] <HazimG> you just need to mount a partition and burn it to a disc or do a network transfer is it?
[01:16] <nineteenfingers> haha! yea - it would be FAR easier to get a new drive - i don't think the owner has the money for one though - and after this i'll have no use for another drive until mine dies on me
[01:17] <HazimG> is it an ntfs partition or an ext2/3 partition?
[01:17] <nineteenfingers> HazimG - need to get a 15.3GB folder off a hard drive in one machine so i can do a system recovery on it after one of its users riddled it with malware and rendered it unusable - ntfs partition
[01:17] <HazimG> ah
[01:17] <HazimG> yeah
[01:18] <HazimG> you can build a slax image with ntfs-3g and that sort of thing
[01:18] <HazimG> it has a web interface for adding your own packages to the image
[01:18] <HazimG> do you need to transfer it to another windows machine?
[01:20] <nineteenfingers> HazimG - I can either put it onto a shared folder i've got on another windows machine or put it onto DVDRWs - either way i don't mind as long as it needs minimal input from me and doesn't take eons to do... oh - and it all needs to come back the other way once i've straightened out the affected windowns machine too
[01:21] <HazimG> well tbh, transferring it to another windows machine over SMB is going to be a pain on any live linux distro
[01:22] <HazimG> perhaps we should take this to #xubuntu-offtopic since this isn't about xubuntu itself
[01:23] <nineteenfingers> as it stands i'm now set up to make the transfer directly from machine to machine using xubuntu on the affected machine - probably gonna just get it going now and head to bed while it does its thing
[01:24] <nineteenfingers> could do with some sleep anyway - multitasking when out like a light can only be a good thing :)
[01:24] <HazimG> mmm
[01:24] <HazimG> cody-somerville : xubuntu doesn't come with an ftp client, does it?
[01:25] <cody-somerville> correct
[01:26] <HazimG> because it would be way less of a pain to just set up a passworded ftp server on the target machine, mount the ntfs partition on the affected machine, and transfer everything over ftp (if it was over a LAN)
[01:26] <nineteenfingers> it is over a LAN (affected machine ethernet to router... target machine wireless to router)
[01:27] <HazimG> mmm
[01:27] <HazimG> you'd need a livecd with an ftp client though
[01:28] <nineteenfingers> could install a small ftp client (if there is such a thing) on affected machine though - i do have internet access through xubuntu on there now
[01:28] <cody-somerville> You can install an ftp client once you boot the live filesystem
[01:28] <nineteenfingers> no idea how to go about setting up ftp server on target though
[01:29] <HazimG> there's plenty of "free" ftp servers for windows
[01:29] <cody-somerville> I think SMB is probably the right answer.
[01:29] <zoredache> why not start an ssh server on your livecd, and pull with winscp/filezilla?
[01:30] <HazimG> mmm
[01:30] <HazimG> does thunar-vfs support smb?
[01:31] <cody-somerville> No
[01:31] <HazimG> if thunar-vfs is what I'm thinking it is
[01:31] <HazimG> you could always install pyneighborhood then
[01:31] <HazimG> simple tool that lets you mount smb shares
[01:32] <nineteenfingers> are any of these alternative approaches/suggestions likely to be any quicker than using pyneighbourhood to mount a share from the target machine and drag+dropping the directory from the affected NTFS partition to the target share?
[01:32] <HazimG> nope
[01:32] <HazimG> pyneighborhood would be quickest
[01:32] <cody-somerville> nah
[01:32] <cody-somerville> Use sambafs :P
[01:33] <fdemocracy> hi guys. will be installing xubuntu on the netbook
[01:33] <nineteenfingers> in that case i'm gonna go with that - i'd love to have a play with some of these alternatives but now i'm at the point of "if it works..."
[01:33] <fdemocracy> im cheap.im poor and i hate paying for hardware and that is why i got a netbook
[01:34] <cody-somerville> fdemocracy, :)
[01:34] <nineteenfingers> cody-somerville - hahaha! if i had a clue how to use that command i might go that way - the ease pyneighborhood brings is right up my inexperienced alley
[01:35] <cody-somerville> If you can get pyneighborhood to work for ya, w00t w00t
[01:40] <minazo> xubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386 comes with Perl 5.10 already installed doesn't it?
[01:40] <cody-somerville> Correct
[01:44] <minazo> Yeah, that was pretty cool and shocking. I was just trying out http://wubi-installer.org/ on my windows machine today and noticed that perl -v was 5.10. I am using a low spec machine now running CentOS, but that's just too cool not to try and replace my CentOS with it. It's fast as heck too. Thanks.
[01:44] <cody-somerville> Why shocking?
[01:48] <minazo> Why was it shocking? I didn't realize that the distro had 5.10 installed by default. Most of what I've installed lately, came with 5.8.8 and it's a headache having 2 seperate "perls" on a machine... then trying to use CPAN along with it..etc..etc...plus, it was faster that I thought...I haven't been a linux user for long...maybe a only a year...
[01:51]  * cody-somerville nods.
[01:51] <nineteenfingers> well - the transfer is underway (used pyneighborhood to a windows share, mounted the NTFS partition and drag-drop copied the huge folder across) might be quicker than i expected though - the copy dialog is dithering between 3 and 4 hours remaining as opposed to the 6 i thought it'd be from my earlier abandoned attempt
[01:51] <nineteenfingers> lost a word there - "used pyneighborhood to MOUNT a windows share"
[01:53] <nineteenfingers> and on that note - i'm off to get some sleep - goodnight all and thanks for your help and suggestions earlier - talk soon
[01:54] <HazimG> good luck with the transfer
[01:54] <nineteenfingers> cheers
[02:01] <BigMoopies> Is it possible to actually share clipboards between virtualbox and the original OS?  I have it set to "directional" but it doesn't work.
[02:02] <charlie-tca> BigMoopies: You need guest additions installed
[02:02] <BigMoopies> charlie-tca, how do I install that ?
[02:03] <charlie-tca> where did you get VirtualBox, website or repository?
[02:03] <BigMoopies> website , latest version
[02:03] <BigMoopies> or atleast 2.1.4
[02:04] <BigMoopies> deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian hardy non-free
[02:04] <BigMoopies> in the apt/sources
[02:04] <NTFS> STOP LEAVING YOUR COMPUTERS ON 24/7 YOU ARE CREATING OVER 1000kg OF C02 EMISSIONS A YEAR.
[02:04] <BigMoopies> (is how I got it)
[02:04] <BigMoopies> wow
[02:04] <charlie-tca> I think they should be in /usr/share/virtualbox/
[02:05] <charlie-tca> it is called VBoxGuestAdditions.iso
[02:05] <BigMoopies> what do I do?
[02:05] <NTFS> !ops NTFS
[02:05] <BigMoopies> I see it
[02:05] <NTFS> !ops
[02:05] <cody-somerville> hmmm
[02:05] <charlie-tca> What is it?
[02:05] <NTFS> STOP LEAVING YOUR COMPUTERS ON 24/7 YOU ARE CREATING OVER 1000kg OF C02 EMISSIONS A YEAR.
[02:05] <BigMoopies> "nls  rdesktop-vrdp-keymaps  rdesktop-vrdp.tar.gz  src  VBoxGuestAdditions.iso  VBoxSysInfo.sh"
[02:06] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: NTFS got kicked from #ubuntu+1 a minute ago
[02:06] <cody-somerville> and now he is banned from Freenode :)
[02:07] <BigMoopies> What do I do with the ISO ?
[02:08] <charlie-tca> BigMoopies: you add it as a cd in the virtual machine, then go to /media/cdrom and look for the additions.linux file to run
[02:08] <charlie-tca> Run it in a terminal window
[02:08] <charlie-tca> in the VirtualBox machine
[02:08] <BigMoopies> OK, so I need  to mount the ISO as the CD-ROM drive so Windows XP picks it up ?
[02:09] <charlie-tca> Your virtualbox is in windows? then yes
[02:09] <charlie-tca> and run the exe file
[02:11] <mrwes> Ubuntu user here, using Xubuntu for the first time; I noticed the desktop icons for Network and Computer run Nautilus, but Places | Home run thunar -- why is that?
[02:11] <charlie-tca> because Xfce does not use Nautilus
[02:12] <charlie-tca> Nautilus and Thunar are both file managers.
[02:12] <mrwes> yes I understand that
[02:12] <BigMoopies> charlie-tca, So I can now unmount the ISO and put it back to normal CD-ROM drive now that the stuff is installed ?
[02:12] <charlie-tca> yes, BigMoopies
[02:12] <mrwes> I'm running Xfce now, and Nautilus runs when I open my cifs shares and/or Network icon
[02:12] <BigMoopies> BTW: what is "passthrough" ?
[02:13] <charlie-tca> Because thunar doesn't have them and doesn't know what to do with it.
[02:13] <mrwes> ahh
[02:13] <charlie-tca> BigMoopies: I use it to access cd's on the hardware drive.
[02:13] <mrwes> so it's 'normal' aye?
[02:13] <mrwes> heh
[02:13] <BigMoopies> so should I allow it or keep it unchecked ?
[02:14] <charlie-tca> It maeans it sees the cd without questioning the os the VBox runs in seeing the cd
[02:14] <charlie-tca> Boy, did I screw that up
[02:14] <BigMoopies> LOL.
[02:14] <charlie-tca> It lets the VBox see the cd without the Xubuntu seeing it also
[02:15] <charlie-tca> Without passthrough, when I put a cd in, both my desktop and VBox see it. With it, only VBox sees it when it is running.
[02:17] <BigMoopies> charlie-tca, now that I installed the guest stuff, Windows' highest res is 800x600 , anyway to fix that ?
[02:17] <BigMoopies> any way
[02:18] <charlie-tca> run the guest additions again
[02:18] <charlie-tca> I never ran windows in a VBox. But you should be able to raise resolution to match the normal desktop with it.
[02:19] <charlie-tca> It is the only way I ever got 1400x900 in VBox
[02:21] <charlie-tca> BigMoopies: have you looked at the manual yet? /usr/share/doc/virtualbox/UserManual.pdf
[02:25] <BigMoopies> charlie-tca, for some reason I'm not able to slide it more than 800x600
[02:25] <BigMoopies> with the new 'driver'
[02:28] <charlie-tca> hmmm, "you may also open the Windows Device Manager and select "Update driver..."for
[02:28] <charlie-tca> The VirtualBox Graphics Adapter
[02:28] <charlie-tca> Wonder if that needs to be run for windows?
[02:28] <BigMoopies> "                                   you can resize the virtual machine’s window,
[02:28] <BigMoopies> and the video resolution in the guest will be automatically adjusted (as if you
[02:28] <BigMoopies> had manually entered an arbitrary resolution in the guest’s display settings).
[02:28] <BigMoopies> For Linux and Solaris guests, the Xorg server version 1.3 or later is required for
[02:28] <BigMoopies> "
[02:28] <BigMoopies> gah
[02:28] <BigMoopies> too many lines
[02:29] <charlie-tca> So by adjusting the window size, it adjusts the resolution
[02:29] <charlie-tca> Makes it fit the size of the window
[02:30] <BigMoopies> yeah but it don't
[02:31] <charlie-tca> Also, right-ctrl + L seems to adjust the size to full screen and back to a window
[02:31] <BigMoopies> I just have it stuck at 800x600 in the middle of the screen
[02:32] <charlie-tca> does the clipboard work?
[02:32] <BigMoopies> yes
[02:32] <charlie-tca> well....
[02:33] <charlie-tca> Looks to me like windows just doesn't really listen
[02:33] <charlie-tca> Let me look at the VBox forums
[02:34] <BigMoopies> what in the world did seemless mode just do
[02:34] <charlie-tca> seemless says run windows in a window, and use the linux desktop at the same time
[02:35] <charlie-tca> and pass things back and forth, I think
[02:35] <BigMoopies> now it's 1024x710 res.
[02:35] <BigMoopies> with seemless
[02:36] <charlie-tca> Stretch the window and see what it does
[02:37] <charlie-tca> also, can ask in #vbox for help beyond me
[02:39] <BigMoopies> it might be working now that I went in to seemless then to full screen
[02:39] <BigMoopies> seemless , unseemless, full screen
[02:39] <BigMoopies> rather
[02:39] <BigMoopies> I'm shutting it down and trying it again to see
[02:41] <BigMoopies> yeah now it resizes how it's supposed to to fit my real OS
[02:41] <BigMoopies> kuhraaaaaazy.
[02:41] <charlie-tca> so it is working?
[02:41] <BigMoopies> Yes, magically
[02:41] <charlie-tca> not so magic. You did it!
[02:42] <BigMoopies> Yay!
[02:42] <BigMoopies> now I just wonder if I need to install some anti-virus to slow the virtualbox down to a crawl
[02:42] <BigMoopies> just like real windows
[02:43] <charlie-tca> I don't know. I don't have windows. If it gets infected, you can delete the vbox drive to get rid of it. It is a file.
[02:43] <BigMoopies> yeah, but I don't wanna redo all my mIRC scripts
[02:43] <charlie-tca> but if you send emails from it, you can infect others
[02:43] <charlie-tca> Think viruses, then
[02:44] <charlie-tca> It is windows, after all
[02:45] <charlie-tca> Anything that hits windows, hits windows in a virtual machine, too
[02:45] <BigMoopies> yeah, that's why I stopped using windows in the first place.  I got tired of installing all that stuff  then it taking 3-5 mins to load up on restart
[02:47] <BigMoopies> I wonder with the new virtualbox driver, would it be possible to run games just like real windows ?
[02:47] <BigMoopies> giving virtualbox more video RAM that is
[02:48] <charlie-tca> possible, I think. Might run slow, though
[02:48] <charlie-tca> I do 4 installs at a time here, but it ties up my dsl real bad
[02:48] <BigMoopies> that's what I thought.
[02:49] <charlie-tca> Of course, I usually have one more hardware install running, and two systems I am using, too
[02:49] <charlie-tca> kind of frustrating when daughter says her browser is slowww
[02:49] <BigMoopies> I only have 425 MBs per any given 24 hours in daytime hours
[02:49] <BigMoopies> then 1-6 AM is unlimited usage for my ISP
[02:50] <charlie-tca> I pay a bunch, to have a full-time 7mbs connection
[02:50] <BigMoopies> Wildblue doesn't have anything like that, that I am aware of.. And they are capped by month
[02:50] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I got no caps, but it is not cheap, either
[02:51] <BigMoopies> I pay $80 for Hughesnet
[02:51] <BigMoopies> pro plus plan
[02:51] <charlie-tca> $130 for quest
[02:51] <BigMoopies> DSL is 2 miles up the road
[02:51] <BigMoopies> along with cable
[02:51] <BigMoopies> in the city limits
[02:51] <charlie-tca> CableOne wanted about 1/2 of that, but they cap you if you download too much.
[02:52] <charlie-tca> Bad deal when I test the ISO images daily
[02:53] <charlie-tca> Maybe mine is cheap for what I get?
[02:53] <BigMoopies> we have Suddenlink and AT&T DSL
[02:53] <charlie-tca> I hear AT&T is not very good
[02:53] <BigMoopies> ATT hasn't extended the DSL coverage south for us
[02:53] <BigMoopies> It'd beat 15 KB/sec in daytime hours I bet.
[02:54] <BigMoopies> and paying $80
[02:54] <BigMoopies> and a cap..
[02:54] <charlie-tca> It might. cap would probably stay, but it is higher, I think. speed should increase, though
[02:55] <BigMoopies> Maybe Obama will fix it (yeah right)
[02:55] <charlie-tca> hold your breath?
[02:55] <charlie-tca> LOL
[02:56] <charlie-tca> Can't convince AT&T to bring DSL down, huh?
[02:57] <BigMoopies> no, or Suddenlink.  Even though we got Sat Internet and Sat TV all out here.
[02:57] <BigMoopies> Suddenlink would be an obviously great competitor
[02:57] <BigMoopies> idiots
[02:57] <charlie-tca> Well, my brother could not get natural gas, even though it was at his neighbors, 25 feet away.
[02:57] <charlie-tca> He was not within the company policy
[02:58] <BigMoopies> LOL,.  We had to pay 1,200something to get BiCounty (like city water) ran to our house from about 200 feet.
[02:58] <BigMoopies> Then we had to pay for a plumber to get it from the road to the house
[02:58] <BigMoopies> (their meter )
[02:59] <charlie-tca> Yeah, they got ya, coming and going
[02:59] <BigMoopies> so if the neighbors down the road get it, we just saved them a bundle
[02:59] <charlie-tca> Well, I gotta go. long day today.
[02:59] <BigMoopies> from having to tap on to it from where it was to their house
[03:00] <charlie-tca> That's true. Maybe get with them to get AT&T?
[03:26] <kromar> do divx streams work with xubuntu?
[03:49] <loren_> can someone help me to delete a file that keeps telling me permission denied it's a backup file I think from sbackup I tried sudo rm but I'm not good at command line commands in terminal how can I get rid of this file even though there is nothing in it and do I have to put sbackup back into my computer to get rid of the file?
[03:49] <cody-somerville> loren_, Whats the path to the file?
[03:51] <loren_> home/loren/Computer Backup Files/2009-02-27_08.29.27.350650.loren-desktop.ful
[03:53] <loren_> do you need the drive letter?
[03:54] <HazimG> sudo rm /home/loren/Computer\ Backup\ Files/2009-02-27_08.29.27.350650.loren-desktop.ful
[03:54] <HazimG> should work
[03:54] <loren_> I will try it
[03:54] <homebrewcider> anybody had any luck printing on a cd in xubuntu?
[03:56] <loren_> I get this loren@loren-desktop:~$ sudo rm /home/loren/Computer\ Backup\ Files/2009-02-27_08.29.27.350650.loren-desktop.ful
[03:56] <loren_> [sudo] password for loren:
[03:56] <loren_> rm: cannot remove `/home/loren/Computer Backup Files/2009-02-27_08.29.27.350650.loren-desktop.ful': Is a directory
[03:56] <loren_> loren@loren-desktop:~$
[03:57] <HazimG> ah
[03:57] <cody-somerville> loren_, ah
[03:57] <cody-somerville> You're attempting to delete a directory instead of a file.
[03:57] <HazimG> it's just like it says, it's a directory
[03:57] <cody-somerville> sudo rm -rf /home/loren/Computer\ Backup\ Files/2009-02-27_08.29.27.350650.loren-desktop.ful <-- should do the trick
[03:58] <loren_> o-k I will try it
[03:58] <cody-somerville> Be careful!
[04:00] <loren_> It worked thank you very much I have tried for weeks to get rid of it thank you again
[04:01] <loren_> I'm new to chat also:)
[04:01] <loren_> thank you
[04:44] <martinx73> hi
[04:44] <martinx73> please i need help to install a web cam
[04:45] <martinx73> lsusb
[04:45] <martinx73> ID 093a:2472 Pixart Imaging, Inc.
[04:47] <zoredache> !webcam
[04:47] <zoredache> have you read those pages yet?
[04:48] <martinx73> thanks, now reading
[04:52] <J_Litewski> how do i reset the gdm?
[04:52] <J_Litewski> since i removed it to fix my problem
[04:57] <zoredache> J_Litewski: did you get it all fixed?
[04:58] <J_Litewski> yea
[04:58] <J_Litewski> it's running like new now
[04:59] <J_Litewski> it was a tiny bug in xfce 4.6.0 that sometimes caused sessions not to delete
[04:59] <zoredache> anyway, in a terminal first do this command 'cd /etc/rc2.d' then do this 'sudo ln -s ../init.d/gdm'
[05:01] <J_Litewski> ok
[05:06] <J_Litewski> thank you for all of your help zoredache
[05:08] <J_Litewski> brb
[05:16] <J_Litewski> that didn't work
[05:17] <zoredache> did you get an error when you ran the command?
[05:20] <J_Litewski> i wonder if my video card doesn't support dual display output
[05:20] <J_Litewski> zoredache, no it ran fine, still didn't get a login screen though
[05:23] <zoredache> try it this way then...  sudo update-rc.d gdm defaults 30 01
[05:27] <fdemocracy> so xubuntu didnt install over the usb stick
[05:27] <fdemocracy> im disappointed
[05:27] <J_Litewski1> that was weird
[05:27] <fdemocracy> "cant detect cdrom"
[05:28] <J_Litewski1> who else is having problems with updating sources?
[05:29] <fdemocracy> just you ;)
[05:29] <J_Litewski1> huh
[05:29] <J_Litewski1> that's really weird
[05:29]  * J_Litewski1 smacks Charter Communications
[05:29] <J_Litewski1> work!
[05:29] <J_Litewski1> :P
[05:30] <J_Litewski1> that did it
[05:30] <fdemocracy> well at least you got it running
[05:30] <J_Litewski1> lol
[05:30] <fdemocracy> and i mean ubuntu
[05:30] <J_Litewski1> i had it running for a while, it's just the curve balls that get you
[05:31] <J_Litewski1> like the whole 'lets spawn 200 xfdesktop4's and overwork xorg to the point of near Hard Drive failure'
[05:44] <J_Litewski1> what is wobbly windows?
[05:52] <zoredache> it makes thinks act like jello when you move them around...
[05:53] <J_Litewski1> but it don't work with xfwm4, do it?
[05:53] <zoredache> not sure, I have never cared enough to try it
[05:53] <zoredache> !compiz
[05:54] <zoredache> I prefer to have my computer actually be using cpu cycles on actually doing useful things....
[05:54] <J_Litewski1> yea
[05:55] <J_Litewski1> just an ADD moment thing
[05:55] <J_Litewski1> well, i'm off
[06:58] <sketchykid> hello?
[07:00] <sketchykid> quick question...ummm i'm kinda new to this linux thing, and my old thinkpad has a dvd-rom but for some reason i can't seem to play any of my dvd....anyone know why that is??
[07:23] <sketchykid> okay i thought i had it there, if anyone here can help me i'm all ears...or eyes i guess lol
[07:25] <sketchykid> S.O.S My dvd-rom won't play my dvd's S.O.S!!
[07:25] <sketchykid> do i need a different program maybe???...right now all i have is Totem
[07:48] <cody-somerville> !dvd | sketchykid
[07:52] <Ecnerifed> Hi all, I need to set up a few workstations with nothing but firefox and the abilty to lock with a login screen that authenticates with an ms active directory server, what would be the best way to go about this?
[08:02] <xsteadfastx> where can i change the timezone?
[08:02] <xsteadfastx> im in germany right now and i goes one hour forward
[08:03] <cody-somerville> Applications > System > Date & Time
[08:04] <xsteadfastx> there i set my time to europe/berlin
[08:04] <xsteadfastx> but its still one hour forward
[08:05] <cody-somerville> To make it automatically update your time, you need to enable the ntp server sync
[08:05] <xsteadfastx> it is ntp
[08:05] <xsteadfastx> and the ntp server is right
[08:05] <cody-somerville> Then just wait for it to update :)
[08:06] <xsteadfastx> it shows CEST for germany. it should be GMT+1
[10:25] <roman> hello everyone. is there a way to keep the menu structure in xfce 4.6? i've understood that i have to change the .desktop, .menu and .directory files by hand (e.g. to open up a new category), but when these packages are updated, the .desktop files of them revert back to normal, making it quite impossible to retain a certain menu state. how can i prohibit this?
[10:45] <roman> sorry to flood, but is there a way to keep the menu structure in xfce 4.6? i've understood that i have to change the .desktop, .menu and .directory files by hand (e.g. to open up a new category), but when these packages are updated, the .desktop files of them revert back to normal, making it quite impossible to retain a certain menu state. how can i prohibit this?
[10:46] <TheSheep> modify the local copies in your ~/.config
[10:52] <roman> well... now that's an easy solution :) you mean that i should place the altered copies inside .local/share/applications ? because i can't find a suitable folder inside /.config
[10:53] <TheSheep> yeah, for .desktop files
[10:53] <TheSheep> you can also alter the rules that govern categories in .config/menu
[10:56] <wtv> desktop icons disappeared and wallpaper turned black suddenly in xfce 4. any ideas?
[10:57] <wtv> i tried restarting but again i get iconless black desktop. i see all the panels though
[10:58] <cody-somerville> wtv, press alt + f2, and type xfdesktop4
[10:58] <roman> @ TheSheep: I don't understand your last solution... my guess would be to create .local/share/desktop-directories and copy the categories there
[10:58] <roman> i don't understand because i have no ./config/menu :)
[10:59] <wtv> cody-somerville: it says the file doesn't exist
[11:00] <cody-somerville> oops
[11:00] <cody-somerville> just xfdesktop
[11:00] <wtv> cody-somerville: it worked! but will it work everytime on start up?
[11:01] <cody-somerville> wtv, if you save your session on logout, yup
[11:02] <wtv> cody-somerville: can i make it so that it starts autmatically when starting a session?
[11:03] <wtv> without having saved it before. i know how to do it in gnome but I'm new to xfce
[11:04] <cody-somerville> I don't know if you want that. It might start the desktop again, not sure.
[11:04] <wtv> cody-somerville: k. but thanks ^ ^
[11:38] <l403> hello
[11:39] <l403> I after failing  to make a bootable USB I just blindly followed this tutorial http://www.pendrivelinux.com/usb-xubuntu-804-persistent-install-from-linux/#more-408
[11:40] <l403> everything seemed to be fine but all i ended up with is ash :/
[11:41] <l403> ah, nm, sry
[11:41] <l403> minimal 384 Meg, I dont have :/
[13:51] <Pres-Gas> Hey all!
[13:51] <cody-somerville> Heya
[13:52] <Pres-Gas> I am really disapointed that I have not been able to test for this beta.
[13:52] <cody-somerville> : (
[13:52]  * Pres-Gas submits self to cody-somerville for appropriate reparations  :P
[13:53] <Pres-Gas> I have a class I am teaching...but after it is over...I will be able to dive in more...after next week w00t!
[13:53] <cody-somerville> :]
[15:19] <|nineteenfingers> hey folks - i'm struggling a bit here... i tried to use catfish for this but that's just ended in a bug report so i'm trying to do it with "find" via terminal... i need to search the NTFS partition i have mounted at /mnt for all files with a given extension... some folder names contain spaces (Documents and Settings for example) but i can't seem to get the comman right - anyone able to help or suggest an alternative to catfish w
[15:19] <|nineteenfingers> hich will do the job in a gui?
[15:21] <|nineteenfingers> sorry. that should read "can't get the command right"
[15:21] <TheSheep> |nineteenfingers: find /mnt -name '*.ext'
[15:22] <|nineteenfingers> TheSheep, need the ' around *.ext?
[15:22] <TheSheep> yes
[15:22] <TheSheep> especially if you have any .ext files in the current dir
[15:22] <|nineteenfingers> and that'll search all the subdirs will it?
[15:23] <TheSheep> yes
[15:23] <|nineteenfingers> great - just what i needed - i couldn't wrap my head around it at all - i think i just don't learn well from man pages
[15:24] <TheSheep> find is horribly complicated
[15:24] <TheSheep> but it can do almost anything
[15:24] <|nineteenfingers> while i think on... when a command is running that's taking a long time (as searching an entire hard drive will) - is there a quick way to cancel it?
[15:25] <ablomen> ctrl+c
[15:25] <|nineteenfingers> yea - the man is pretty large
[15:25] <|nineteenfingers> cheers ablomen
[15:27] <|nineteenfingers> TheSheep - you've got me thinking now - "can do almost anything" - how about getting it to list every directory that contains a particular extension rather than listing all files with the extension?
[15:27] <|nineteenfingers> or is that asking a bit much?
[15:29] <TheSheep> |nineteenfingers: it's doable, but I can't tell you the command without some research in the documentation -- and I'm too lazy :)
[15:30] <|nineteenfingers> haha - i don't blame you there :p
[15:30] <TheSheep> you can add | grep 'word'  to only list lines that contain the specified word
[15:30] <|nineteenfingers> i mean - "how could you! you *buntu types are supposed to be really helpful!" - haha
[15:30] <TheSheep> or grep -v 'word' to skip lines that contain it
[15:48] <ablomen> find ./Temp -name "*.jpg" | perl -e "while(<STDIN>){ print s/[a-z|A-Z|-|_]*\.jpg//$_; print $_ }" | sort | uniq
[15:48] <ablomen> sort of anyway ;)
[15:53] <ricochet> hey guys i need some help with some stuff, i put 9.04 on my dell mini and it runs great however i need some help with some tweaks
[15:53] <ricochet> i am new at linux so please take it slow
[15:55] <ricochet> ok so first how do i disable touchpad tapping and scrolling?
[15:57] <ricochet> anyone?
[15:58] <ricochet> touchpad scrolling and tapping.. how do i get rid of it?
[16:17] <zombor> can anyone help me out? i just ran a system update and now my system won't boot, it sits there and says "GRUB " but never shows the boot menu
[16:24] <TheSheep> zombor: boot from livecd, and select the recovery mode
[16:24] <TheSheep> zombor: can't remember the exact name of the option
[16:25] <zombor> TheSheep: thanks, someone also suggested this
[16:25] <zombor> http://microdotsagamedev.wordpress.com/2007/06/08/repair-your-grub-loader/
[16:26] <TheSheep> yeah, that's what the menu-based recovery mode does
[16:26] <TheSheep> just automated
[16:26] <zombor> ah, ok
[16:26] <zombor> ill try that first then
[16:40] <nineteenfingers> flippin connection is all over the place
[16:42] <nineteenfingers> aaargh!
[16:44] <nineteenfingers> ablomen... in that find command you sent earler you had "while (<STDIN>)" - is it to be written like that or am I meant to put something else in place of <STDIN>?
[16:44] <TheSheep> it's like that
[16:44] <TheSheep> or you can use <>
[16:45] <TheSheep> that's perl's syntax for file handles
[16:45] <nineteenfingers> so just type it as written?
[16:46] <TheSheep> there are some mistakes in it
[16:46] <TheSheep> like, you need to double the \'s
[16:52] <nineteenfingers> just the backslash needs doubling or all the slashes too?
[16:53] <TheSheep> just backslash
[16:55] <nineteenfingers> well, the hard drive is crunching away, so it's doing SOMETHING - nothing coming up in terminal as yet though - we'll see what happens
[16:58] <TheSheep> perl is a little overkill for it
[16:58] <TheSheep> but should work
[17:00] <nineteenfingers> hmm - it's done something... it seems it's listed each directory that contains a .jpg and with each entry all the jpgs in that directory but missed the .jpg off the end - i need it to just give each directory path once and nothing more
[17:00] <nineteenfingers> it's a start though
[17:01] <nineteenfingers> all this because my aunt thinks there *might* be some pictures of her late father on the drive - as much as I agree that important stuff should be backed up - i don't have the heart to carry on with fixing this thing before i've made sure there aren't
[17:07] <ablomen> nineteenfingers, find ./Temp -name "*.jpg" | perl -e "while(<STDIN>){ print s/[a-z|A-Z|0-9|\-|_|\.]*\.jpg//$_; print $_ }" | sort | uniq
[17:07] <ablomen> that should do it
[17:07] <jurism> what's wrong if I can not reboot system?  reboot works only by pressing reset button on PC case. shutdown command works fine but reboot stops processes (as usual, I have Ubuntu server 8.04LTS + xfce) and after stopping processes monitor shows xubuntu logo and loading abr stops and freezes computer. I can not find anything in /var/log/syslog or dmesg...
[17:07] <ablomen> and now i have to go :0
[17:07] <ablomen> *:)
[17:07] <ablomen> bye
[17:08] <Ruadh> Hi
[17:08] <nineteenfingers> thanks ablomen :)
[17:09] <Ruadh> Hi Slonkie. How's things?
[17:10] <nineteenfingers> to ablomen or anyone lese (you might know TheSheep) - that command starts with "find ./Temp" - am I right in thinking I should be replacing that with /mnt if i'm searching the NTFS partition i've mounted to there?
[17:10] <nineteenfingers> else*
[17:10] <TheSheep> yes
[17:10] <nineteenfingers> and it should definitely be   *\\.jpg and not *\.jpg   yea?
[17:11] <TheSheep> yes
[17:11] <TheSheep> and \\-
[17:11] <nineteenfingers> ah - didn't spot that one - cheers
[17:12] <nineteenfingers> and \\. by the looks of it
[17:13] <charlie-tca> jurism: sounds like power manager is involved. Anything in ~/.xsessions-error log?
[17:14] <nineteenfingers> TheSheep - your simple find command earlier had '.EXT' - ablomen's has ".EXT" - are the two interchangable or does it matter which I use?
[17:14] <jurism> SOrry, I am now on WIndowsXP, I have turned off CPU power manager on startup...
[17:14] <jurism> I will check ~/.xsessions-error log as soon as I can
[17:16] <TheSheep> nineteenfingers: you should use single quotes in that case
[17:16] <nineteenfingers> i'm tempted to ask when i would use double quotes, but to be honest i feel somewhat out of my depth already - the answer might drown me completely! haha
[17:23] <BigMoopies> What day is Jaunty set for ?
[17:24] <TheSheep> !schedule | BigMoopies
[17:25] <TheSheep> nineteenfingers: the difference between double quotes and single quotes is simply that in single quotes * is treated as * literally, and is not expanded to a list of files that match the pattern in the current directory
[17:25] <charlie-tca> Well, actually, April 23
[17:25] <TheSheep> nineteenfingers: nots sure if that's helpful
[17:25] <BigMoopies> well those websites tell me nothing
[17:25] <BigMoopies> charlie-tca, OK
[17:26] <charlie-tca> !release
[17:26]  * charlie-tca can't remember it
[17:26] <TheSheep> !jaunty
[17:27] <BigMoopies> I'm guessing it wont be worth going Hardy -> Intrepid -> Jaunty
[17:27] <BigMoopies> But rather just waiting on the next LTS
[17:28] <BigMoopies> Less there is some kind of big bad super speed up or something new worth using ?
[17:29] <cody-somerville> Jaunty has Xfce 4.6
[17:29] <cody-somerville> It is *so* worth upgrading to Jaunty
[17:29] <BigMoopies> Intrepid was shot
[17:29] <TheSheep> cody-somerville: does it have menu editor? ;)
[17:30] <cody-somerville> Umm
[17:30]  * cody-somerville waves his hand, "These are not the droids you are looking for."
[17:30] <BigMoopies> cody-somerville, What's the big bad booty daddy difference in 4.whatever and 4.6 ?
[17:31] <BigMoopies> 4.4.2
[17:31] <BigMoopies> I think
[17:31] <cody-somerville> BigMoopies, http://www.xfce.org/about/tour
[17:31] <TheSheep> BigMoopies: rubberband selections on the desktop
[17:31] <BigMoopies> rubber who ?
[17:32] <BigMoopies> The sound mixer looks like a proper sound mixer too
[17:32] <TheSheep> it's unusable without a scrollwheel, actually
[17:33] <BigMoopies> I guess I'll have to try out Jaunty.
[17:33] <BigMoopies> I can always just load it up LIVE
[17:33] <BigMoopies> to see if it blows my hardware apart like Intrepid
[17:34] <jurism> charlie-tca: yes, I found one error in /home/myusername/.xsession-errors: gnome-system-monitor fatal IO error 11 resource temporary unavailable I had warning about SElinux was found but not enabled
[17:35] <BigMoopies> I still don't see Thunar being able to view the 'network' (samba, etc)
[17:35] <cody-somerville> Thats coming in 4.8
[17:36] <cody-somerville> But there is a tool now in Xubuntu to do it
[17:38] <charlie-tca> jurism: that should not be it
[17:39] <charlie-tca> Should still be able to restart
[17:40] <jurism> I don't think it is xfce/x-server problem because I manually start it when I want with sudo gdm...
[17:40] <jurism> reboot works if I enter safe mode...
[17:43] <J_P> hi all
[17:44] <J_P> People, why 8.10 don't have package mozilla-firefox-locale-pt-br ?
[17:45] <TheSheep> it doesn't have mozilla-firefox-locale-pt either
[17:47] <charlie-tca> jurism: are you restarting just the desktop? does a full system restart work?
[17:48] <TheSheep> J_P: it doesn't have any firefox locale packages
[17:50] <J_P> TheSheep: the old ubuntu has
[17:50] <J_P> old versions
[18:03] <jurism> I restart full system with command reboot but system hangs up with this command and do not restart. if I enter in safe mode (choosen from GRUB menu), "reboot" command works fine. when I start PC in safe mode between apache2 start and running local boot scripts I have: setting advenced power managment level to0xfe (254)
[18:33] <brandonban6> hi, anyone use an online backup service with linux?
[18:34] <chewit> you could try DropBox
[18:34] <zoredache> jungledisk claims to have a linux client
[18:34] <zoredache> I haven't tried it yet
[18:36] <brandonban6> thanks guys I'll look those up
[19:01] <jurism> Is there any place where can I get .deb package with newer linux kernel than it is available in synaptic (apt-get)? Thank You! Can I install kernel which is for Ubuntu 8.10 not Ubuntu 8.04LTS?
[19:03] <TheSheep> you can compile your own
[19:24] <Aqua21> i need help
[19:24] <Aqua21> please
[19:24] <zoredache> !ask
[19:25] <Aqua21> How can I hear my music by phones in Xubuntu?
[19:25] <Aqua21> they don't work
[19:25] <zoredache> do speakers work if you plug them in?
[19:25] <Aqua21> only pc spakers work
[19:26] <Slonkie> tried looking in the mixer if it's muted?
[19:26] <Aqua21> nothing that I plug there works
[19:26] <Aqua21> How do I do that Slonkie?
[19:26] <Slonkie> what version are you using?
[19:27] <Aqua21> 9.04
[19:28] <Slonkie> in your tray isen't there an mixer icon?
[19:29] <Slonkie> Maybe i added mine manually. You can do that by right click > Add New Item > Mixer
[19:31] <Aqua21> they are all ok I think
[19:31] <Aqua21> but I still don't hear any sound... Sound goes through notbeook speakers
[19:32] <Slonkie> okay
[19:32] <Slonkie> Sorry i don't know then
[19:32] <Aqua21> :(
[19:32] <SiDi> What's up ?
[19:32] <SiDi> Laptop + headset sound problem ?
[19:32] <Aqua21> yes
[19:33] <Aqua21> sound comes through the notebook speakers, instead my headset
[19:33] <SiDi> What's the model ?
[19:34] <Aqua21> i have a VAIO VGN-FZ11S
[19:34] <Aqua21> don't know the sound card model
[19:34] <SiDi> also, type the following commands and pastebin them :
[19:34] <SiDi> cat /proc/asound/card0/codec\#* | grep Codec
[19:34] <SiDi> lspci | grep -i audio
[19:34] <Aqua21> but in Windows, it's ok
[19:34] <SiDi> It's an ALSA driver configuration problem
[19:34] <Aqua21> ok..
[19:35] <SiDi> its configured generically, there are some adjustments we can do
[19:35] <SiDi> and on most laptops it works
[19:36] <Aqua21> Codec: SigmaTel STAC9872AK
[19:36] <Aqua21> Codec: Conexant ID 2c06
[19:36] <Aqua21> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[19:36] <SiDi> Okey, as expected :)
[19:37] <SiDi> just a second
[19:37] <Aqua21> :D
[19:37] <SiDi> check for the file : /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[19:37] <SiDi> if you have it we're going to edit it, either we're going to setup a few more things before
[19:38] <Slonkie> is it the codec "Conexant ID 2x06" which is the problem, SiDi ?
[19:38] <Aqua21> i have it
[19:39] <SiDi> Slonkie: no, it's just that hda intels need some adjustment
[19:39] <Aqua21> how do I edit it?
[19:39] <Aqua21> what do I do now?
[19:39] <SiDi> gksu mousepad /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[19:39] <SiDi> and you'll add at its end
[19:39] <SiDi> options snd-hda-intel model=vaio
[19:39] <SiDi> Then, reload the kernel module (i don't know how, so i usually just reboot my whole PC instead... *proud*)
[19:40] <SiDi> It should hopefully make the volume higher and fix that problem with the headset
[19:40] <SiDi> if it doesn't, we'll try another thing, and if this other thing doesn't work, blame alsa (AND sony !)
[19:40] <Slonkie> Can you see if the mine is correct? http://pastebin.com/m5db84de5
[19:40] <Slonkie> I am having somehow the same problem
[19:41] <SiDi> Slonkie: "any" is correct ;p the commands are just to check that they have the same ALC version than those on ubuntu-fr.org's doc's list of alsa models
[19:42] <SiDi> Slonkie: what laptop do you have ?
[19:42] <Slonkie> Acer Aspire 4530
[19:42] <SiDi> ouch
[19:42] <SiDi> an acer.. :D
[19:42] <Slonkie> pff it works great :P
[19:42] <Aqua21> cya
[19:43] <Aqua21> :D
[19:43] <SiDi> It's not in the almighty list
[19:43] <SiDi> so we're gonna experiment if you don't mind
[19:44] <Slonkie> nah don't if it's too much work.. my digital output for phones works.. just not the analog one
[19:44] <Slonkie> I'm fine with the digital, just wanted to see if it was an easy job to fix
[19:44] <SiDi> http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/audio_intel_hda google translate this into english
[19:44] <SiDi> well, we need to find the good model
[19:45] <SiDi> the one that fits your sound chipset
[19:45] <wtv> is compiz available for xfce?
[19:45] <TheSheep> yes
[19:45] <wtv> which package?
[19:45] <TheSheep> you have to install it and configure yourself though
[19:45] <SiDi> compiz
[19:45] <SiDi> :D
[19:45] <SiDi> you may want to install compizconfig-settings-manager too
[19:46] <SiDi> and then configure the window manager to xfwm instead of metacity
[19:46] <TheSheep> SiDi: you can do it?
[19:46] <SiDi> Yeh
[19:46] <SiDi> it's lost in the options
[19:46] <SiDi> you can give compiz the path to the window manager to use
[19:47] <TheSheep> I thought that compiz is a window manager itself, only takes decorator from metacity...
[19:47] <SiDi> (i never *tried* with xfwm, though)
[19:47] <SiDi> hmm
[19:47] <SiDi> you might be right
[19:47] <SiDi> may, even :P
[19:48] <wtv> SiDi: how do i do that? configuring it to xfwm
[19:49] <wtv> in the window decorations?
[19:49] <SiDi> Yeh
[19:49] <SiDi> if it doesnt work, i don't know what to do then :)
[19:50] <wtv> this command is there already   /usr/bin/compiz-decorator
[19:50] <SiDi> try to replace it with /usr/bin/xfwm4, and restart compiz
[19:50] <SiDi> (save any document before
[19:50] <SiDi> and close any critical app)
[19:51] <SiDi> (because you might (may (will)) have to reboot your whole session incase (it will !! meh) it fails)
[19:51] <SiDi> I feel optimistic today.
[19:51] <Aqua21> baaack!
[19:51] <SiDi> Welcome back
[19:51] <Aqua21> THAAANK you SiDi
[19:51] <SiDi> How is the headset going on ?
[19:51] <Aqua21> it worked!
[19:51] <SiDi> :)
[19:51] <Aqua21> you're a genius
[19:51] <SiDi> Well, i'm not, sorry :p
[19:52] <SiDi> the french locoteam's doc writers are, though ;D
[19:52] <Aqua21> lool
[19:52] <Aqua21> yeah, but u were very helpful
[19:52] <SiDi> well, that's what i'm here for ^.^ hopefully i dont always fail
[19:53] <Aqua21> well have to go now! Thank u a lot
[19:53] <Aqua21> bye there
[19:53] <SiDi> see you
[19:53] <SiDi> damn, i've got an email to send to one of my teachers
[19:54] <SiDi> and i just noticed, i dont know who is the teacher
[20:17] <klemmer19> hello all - wondering if anyone might know anything about the VIA VT8237 SATA Controller - and its lack of support with 8.10
[20:24] <MTec007> hello. i am trying to ifgure out how to use vim and an editor and i have read the man pages  but i cannot figure out the basics like saving etc, can some one help me?
[20:25] <MTec007> s/and/as
[20:27] <MTec007> i would really appricate the help, guys
[20:28] <TheSheep> MTec007: try the 'vimtutor' command
[20:28] <MTec007> okay
[20:28] <SiDi> klemmer19: i don't :P
[20:29] <SiDi> MTec007: vim has a few different modes, you can switch modes with the key 'insert' (and with esc too, i believe)
[20:29] <SiDi> saving is ":w" , quitting ":q"
[20:29] <SiDi> and you can only write in "insertion" mode
[20:29] <TheSheep> it's all in the tutorial
[20:29] <klemmer19> SiDi: I have tried reading about it quite a bit and it seems VIA has a walkthrough for how to make it work in 7.04... not sure if I could use this with 8.10 though
[20:29] <MTec007> SiDi: how do i run those save and quit commands?
[20:30] <SiDi> klemmer19: me neither. i only buy nvidia :D
[20:30] <klemmer19> http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=420&OSID=45&CatID=3270&SubCatID=143
[20:30] <SiDi> MTec007: check the tutorial, they'll explain better than me ;P
[20:30] <MTec007> and vimtutor is blank, nothing to read
[20:30] <SiDi> man vim ?
[20:30] <MTec007> didnt explain the saveing and quit etc stuff?
[20:30] <TheSheep> that's very strange, it works for me
[20:30] <MTec007> im very new to linux i should mention that
[20:30] <SiDi> Ok, vim's man doesnt say anything about commands
[20:31] <SiDi> well, vim is really a weird editor, MTec007 :) and i wont mention emacs
[20:31] <TheSheep> MTec007: try:  LANG=C && vimtutor
[20:31] <SiDi> if you need a basic and easy to use command line editor, i recommand nano
[20:31] <MTec007> how to i exit vimtutor? lol
[20:31] <SiDi> vim and emacs are more for devs, or for everyday use, because they have a lot of tools that, once you know how to use them, make you gain time
[20:32] <SiDi> with esc or Q. either, try Ctrl+Z or +D or +C
[20:32] <MTec007> Q ! thats what i needed to find out lol
[20:32] <MTec007> i tried q but nothing happed
[20:33] <SiDi> Why do you want to use vim, btw ?
[20:33] <MTec007> i need an editor for my website
[20:33] <TheSheep> try installing mc and using mcedit
[20:34] <MTec007> that a GUI?
[20:34] <SiDi> erm.. :P vim is more for the sysadmins who're hacking through ssh, or for the guys who just broke their xorg.conf and don't have any desktop environment anymore
[20:34] <TheSheep> you remember Norton Commander? it's similar to its editor
[20:34]  * SiDi uses gedit :p
[20:34] <MTec007> i have gedit
[20:35] <MTec007> so its better not to use vim as a editor on a regular basis?
[20:35] <MTec007> or is that preference?
[20:35] <TheSheep> it's fine
[20:36] <TheSheep> it just needs some learning
[20:36] <SiDi> It's preference, honnestly
[20:36] <SiDi> Well, yeh. Vim needs some practice, and emacs needs a lot of practice :p
[20:36] <TheSheep> the more you put in, the more you get out
[20:37] <TheSheep> personally I can't use an editor that doesn't have easy access to regexps
[20:37] <SiDi> Oh btw, if there are non-english speaking people around, almost every locoteam is late on xubuntu-docs translation :p
[20:37] <MTec007> i really appriciate the help guys i dont want to return to windows but i need to get past this learning curve
[20:37] <TheSheep> SiDi: Polish
[20:37] <SiDi> only the swedish teams owned it
[20:37] <SiDi> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/xubuntu-docs/+pots/musicvideophotos
[20:37] <TheSheep> MTec007: vim has a very steep learning curve
[20:38] <TheSheep> MTec007: using gedit or mouspad is easier
[20:38] <MTec007> ok
[20:38] <Slonkie> what's a "locoteam" SiDi ?
[20:39] <SiDi> a local team
[20:39] <Slonkie> hm cool
[20:39] <TheSheep> a team that makes localisations -- that is, translates stuff
[20:39] <SiDi> You should try to help them on translations. I didn't notice but there actually is a lot of work
[20:39] <Slonkie> so is there a danish locoteam ?
[20:40] <SiDi> and organises local events, writes the local doc, manages the website / forum
[20:40] <SiDi> yeh
[20:40] <SiDi> There are locoteams for almost everywhere.
[20:41] <MTec007> you guys have any explicit advice for me to avoid breaking things?
[20:42] <MTec007> like dont type: blah... or something
[20:42] <SiDi> Use gedit. and do proper xhtml1.1 with css2.1, and screw ie6
[20:42] <Slonkie> Physically or virtually breaking? :D
[20:42] <SiDi> (sc*** is a bad word, hope noone noticed i typed it :o=
[20:42] <MTec007> ie6 is for windows newbs
[20:42] <Slonkie> physical/virtual
[20:42] <MTec007> i always use valid html css
[20:42] <MTec007> xhtml*
[20:43] <SiDi> good :) you belong to the 5% that care about the semantics of "quality" then ;p
[20:43] <MTec007> Slonkie: either?
[20:43] <Slonkie> lol :P
[20:44] <knome> i site can be valid even if it supported ie6.
[20:44] <MTec007> i tend to get nosey and mess with settings and files i shouldnt or have no reason to mess with
[20:44] <MTec007> thats why i asked
[20:44] <SiDi> knome: yeh, it can, with a few hacks for the 3px width bugs and other merry stuff ;P
[20:47] <knome> SiDi, imho it doesn't really matter if you don't get the *exact* same layout/visual look with ie6 (or any other *old* browser) as long as you can say it is not broken for any browser
[20:47] <knome> SiDi, using ie conditional comments is not bad. they are good if your layout would break ie6 otherwise. with them you can also serve a stripped-down version for ie.
[20:48] <MTec007> knome: if exact is what your looking for print it out and make visitors fill out a form and postal mail it to them.
[20:49] <knome> MTec007, you can have a print stylesheet which will be, if done right, very different from the css for screens
[20:49] <SiDi> knome: i totally agree and that's what i used to do
[20:50] <SiDi> knome: though, i'll now completely give ie6 up, to force people to move on (they're 15% now, i prefer making more efforts for the 10% who don't wanna hear of js/flash and the 2/3% that use lynx or similar browsers)
[20:51] <SiDi> (btw, no browser supports print medias correctly... especially those other than gecko-based browsers ;p)
[20:52] <knome> SiDi, i know, but that's also a decision to do to get more standards-supporting browsers
[20:52] <knome> SiDi, and people are used to shitty prints anyway
[20:53] <SiDi> Yeh
[20:53] <SiDi> they expect that stupid heavy js function
[20:53] <SiDi> or they dont dare printing
[20:53] <SiDi> my websites have always been very sexy when printed !
[20:58] <Slor> Is the advice for "Automatic Keyring" at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkManager still valid?  I'd like to not have to put in a password each boot for my wireless, especially since the machine is set to auto-log me in.
[20:59] <Slor> Once person noted that is caused issues, so I wasn't sure if there's an officially recommended method now
[21:00] <Slor> oh, but I bet Xunbuntu doesn't have this same issue - I should see the #unbuntu channel
[21:07] <SiDi> having a look
[21:08] <boottime> stupid newbie question:  I need to enable a wireless card on my system, but don
[21:08] <Slor> Found a number of other, yet still a few years old, refs - like http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=192281
[21:08] <boottime> 't have a System -> Administration option, where networking would be in normal ubuntu
[21:08] <SiDi> Slor: its not uptodate imo
[21:09] <SiDi> Slor: i never have to type my password
[21:09] <SiDi> there is an app that keeps the system passwords for you
[21:09] <SiDi> seahorse if i remember
[21:09] <SiDi> it also keeps nm's wireless passwords
[21:09] <Slor> hmmm
[21:09] <SiDi> boottime: Applications -> System
[21:09] <SiDi> or Applications -> parameters
[21:10] <boottime> SiDi, I don't have a "Networking" under that system menu though
[21:11] <SiDi> boottime: for the network stuff, i think you can right click the networkmanager's tray icon, and go to 'edit connections'
[21:12] <boottime> well, that was painfully simple.  The mouse-over text is 'Wired network connection' so I wrongly assumed it didn't handle wireless.  Thank you SiDi
[21:13] <SiDi> you're welcome
[21:14] <Slor> how do I set that up SiDi?  Does seahorse automatically take over the keyring somehow?
[21:14] <SiDi> Its meant to
[21:15] <SiDi> but you can edit the preferences, check applications -> system -> i don't remember
[21:15] <SiDi> It's about keyring, you should find it easily :p
[21:15] <Slor> ok
[21:15] <SiDi> coming back later
[21:15] <SiDi> see you people
[21:15] <Slonkie> Is there any way to "scan" the local network i'm on to find a computer local ip?
[21:22] <TheSheep> Slonkie: arpscan
[21:24] <Slonkie> Is that an application TheSheep ? tried typing arpscan in terminal, dident work, tried searching for it, nothing..
[21:25] <TheSheep> !info arpscan
[21:25] <TheSheep> hmm
[21:26] <TheSheep> sudo apt-get install arp-scan
[21:26] <TheSheep> !info arp-scan
[21:27] <Slonkie> pcap_lookupdev: no suitable device found
[21:27] <Slonkie> when i type "arp-scan" in terminal
[21:27] <zoredache> you'll need the sudo
[21:28] <Slonkie> Thanks
[22:22] <ricochet> hey guys i need some help with making some keyboard shortcuts
[22:23] <ricochet> i am a noob so please take it slow
[22:23] <knome> what is it that you are trying to achieve?
[22:24] <ricochet> well, when i had ubuntu 8.04 cntrl - delete would open my terminal
[22:24] <knome> right
[22:24] <Slonkie> Applications > Settings > Keyboard > Applications Shortcuts
[22:25] <ricochet> cntrl right arrow would cycle through windows and left arrow would show me the desktop
[22:25] <ricochet> Slonkie: i do that but everytime i try to add one it doesnt do it
[22:27] <Slonkie> ehm mine worked when i added them
[22:28] <ricochet> ok so i go to the keyboard short cut tab.. i click add.. i scroll down to xfce4-terminal then i click add.. then i click OK
[22:28] <ricochet> then it doesnt show up
[22:29] <ricochet> ah! hahaha i am an idiot.. the window kept on hiding behind the original window.. so i didnt know it was there
[22:29] <ricochet> sorry.. noob.
[22:29] <MTec007> how do i fix this? trying to run apt-get E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the download directory
[22:29] <Slonkie> heh no worries
[22:29] <Slonkie> sudo apt-get MTec007 ?
[22:29] <MTec007> i did
[22:29] <ricochet> Slonkie: you wouldnt happen to know which one of these things i select to cycle through the open windows do you? or show the desktop?
[22:30] <Slonkie> 2 secs
[22:30] <MTec007> i dont think the last apt-get close properly it had a issue
[22:30] <ricochet> Slonkie: thanks man
[22:31] <Slonkie> hmm i can't seem to find it, i tought i would be able to see the shortcut for alt+shift but i can't
[22:34] <ricochet> hmmm does anyone know?
[22:34] <Slonkie> MTec007 try reading this link: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-fix-lock-varlibdpkglock-open-11-resource-temporarily-unavailable-error.html
[22:46] <ricochet> does anyone know how i can make the keyboard shortcut to switch between open windows.. like what alt-tab does?
[22:46] <ricochet> except make it a different shortcut
[22:50] <lukinfore> ricochet, alt-tab is determined in xfwm4 settings afaik
[22:51] <lukinfore> so change it there
[22:51] <ricochet> woah.. im a noob how do i do that?
[22:51] <lukinfore> settings/window manager?
[22:51] <lukinfore> or similar
[22:53] <ricochet> beautiful
[22:53] <ricochet> thanks man
[22:53] <lukinfore> xfwm4-settings for 4.6
[22:53] <lukinfore> oh
[22:53] <lukinfore> np]
[22:55] <ricochet> oh also.. sometimes the windows are too big for the screen... is there a way i can change that?
[22:55] <ricochet> or stop that from happening?
[22:59] <ricochet> anyone?
[23:04] <ricochet> can anyone help me out with some of my windows going below the bottom bar and me not being able to see them?
[23:09] <ricochet> is anyone in here?
[23:09] <ricochet> i need help with another thing too
[23:10] <zoredache> people are here, they must might now know the answer....
[23:10] <knome> !ask | ricochet
[23:12] <ricochet> ok well first off some of my windows keep on peeking below the bottom bar and so i cant see the very bottom or some of the features of the window.. and another thing, i am installing compiz and ran into a problem, i found the fix here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3993442#post3993442 but i dont understand how to get to the point where they are at
[23:15] <ricochet> does anyone have a fix for this?
[23:21] <Pollywog> what does one do if they cannot see all the app windows in Xubuntu?  sometimes they are too big to fit
[23:31] <ricochet> can someone help me with a compiz fix in 9.04? here is the link but i dont understand it http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3993442#post3993442
[23:35] <knome> ricochet, you should edit /usr/bin/compiz
[23:36] <ricochet> do i just put that in the terminal?
[23:37] <UKGent> using 64 bit version of xubuntu - synaptic is noticeably faster, as are all the file type operations, searching, installing etc
[23:38] <knome> ricochet, run 'gksudo mousepad /usr/bin/compiz'
[23:39] <ricochet> awesome
[23:40] <UKGent> installing large packages is really fun to watch , it just rips through it
[23:40] <UKGent> pity my ISP is not the same on their download speeds ...
[23:41] <ricochet> knome: Then do i just save?
[23:41] <knome> ricochet, yes.
[23:42] <ricochet> knome: Dude thanks so much for helping! it WORKS!!!
[23:43] <knome> ricochet, np.
[23:43] <knome> good night everybody, i'm out
[23:43] <knome> see you later
[23:43] <ricochet> see you man
[23:44] <ricochet> Hey does anyone know how to edit settings in compiz?
[23:44] <lukinfore> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-terminal/+bug/358796
[23:44] <lukinfore> who's on jaunty can test that one?
[23:45] <Slonkie> loading site
[23:45] <Slonkie> so what should i test, lukinfore ?
[23:46] <lukinfore> is bug affects yu?
[23:46] <lukinfore> or not
[23:46] <lukinfore> that's the point
[23:46] <Slonkie> i don't understand the bug
[23:46] <Slonkie> scolling in htop should work as mouse 1?
[23:46] <lukinfore> uhm
[23:46] <lukinfore> scrolling in amn
[23:47] <lukinfore> *man
[23:47] <Slonkie> I don't know what man is
[23:47] <lukinfore> just type man man
[23:47] <lukinfore> and enter sure
[23:48] <Slonkie> when i type man man there is alot of text
[23:48] <Slonkie> nothing asking me to type sure :p
[23:48] <lukinfore> so, is it srollable?
[23:50] <Slonkie> well, when i press more the document shows in the terminal and i'm capable of scrolling the terminal, yes.
[23:54] <lukinfore> 'press more' ?
[23:54] <Slonkie> eeh how do i explain it? try opening man man in a small terminal
[23:55] <Slonkie> you'll be able to press "more" with enter
[23:56] <lukinfore> maybe your terminal is not xfce4-terminal?
[23:56] <lukinfore> cause there is no 'more' for me
[23:56] <Slonkie> oh might be
[23:57] <Slonkie> using the one in Accesories
[23:57] <lukinfore> it shows namual page, line, where --More usually appears to be