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JontheEchidnagrr, why does kdenetwork always have things like bug 358792 happening..00:43
* JontheEchidna investigates00:43
ubottuError: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/358792/+text)00:43
JontheEchidnabah00:43
Nightrosekb9vqf: concratulations - respect for pulling this of!00:53
Nightrosebah /me can't type today00:53
kb9vqfNightrose: Thanks!  (and I've had days when I couldn't type as well...remember my first meeting :-P)00:54
Nightrosehehe00:54
* kb9vqf is glad that KDE3.5 is back on the menu00:54
kb9vqfNightrose: 173 hits on the Wiki so far :-)00:54
Nightrosevery nice00:54
ryanakcanixternal: around?01:19
nixternalryanakca: I am lying in bed, looking at irssi on my TV, as I fell quite ill today...can we move the meeting until tomorrow or this weekend by chance?01:28
ryanakcanixternal: I'm off to Montreal, we have a long weekned over here (Easter), not sure what time I'll be back, some time Sunday or Monday. Do you have a template that'll be used when you generate the content or what? If it's a template, just email me a link to it's bzr branch and I'll get to it whenever I get back01:30
claydohapachelogger: belated plong01:34
_Groo_hi/2 all01:46
_Groo_any motu alive?01:46
_Groo_im having trouble with java and webkit01:50
_Groo_aparently the java plugin (sun) doesnt work with bot libwebkit and qt 4.5. both midori and arora cant run the plugin, midori says is misses a symbol01:56
_Groo_eya all02:40
_Groo_any motu alive?02:43
_Groo_hi JontheEchidna02:56
JontheEchidnahi02:56
_Groo_JontheEchidna: jon can you confirm a bug in kubuntu for me? both arora and midori cant run any java applet. aparently they bork in the java plugin with a symbol error message02:57
JontheEchidnagot a java webpage handy?02:58
_Groo_it works in opera, konqueror and firefox02:58
_Groo_www.javatester.org02:58
_Groo_you will see that it works in every browser, except midori and arora.02:58
_Groo_if you open midori and open the plugins sidebar you will see it fails because of missing symbol02:59
JontheEchidnaoh, I must have uninstalled it02:59
_Groo_at least gentoo users say they both work with java, so i believe something is wrong with our beloved ubuntu :)02:59
_Groo_im using sun java btw02:59
JontheEchidnaok, just installed sun-java6-plugin03:00
JontheEchidnaI don't see anything java-y on that webpage03:01
_Groo_which browser did you use to open it?03:02
JontheEchidnaarora03:03
* JontheEchidna will use firefox as a control subject03:03
_Groo_do you see a "test the version of java your browser is using"?03:03
JontheEchidnano pink rectangle in arora :(03:03
_Groo_it will send you to http://www.javatester.org/version.html03:04
JontheEchidnathere is one in firefox, no relevant errors for arora03:04
_Groo_exactly.. it works in konki, firefox and opera.. no arora, no midori, no webkit whatsoever03:04
_Groo_but gentoo users say it works03:04
_Groo_if you open midori and go to plugins it will show:03:04
_Groo_undefined symbol: PR_getcurrenthread03:05
_Groo_in he java plugin .so03:05
JontheEchidnaI am guessing that it is a webkit bug, since midori (WebKit) and arora (Qt-ported webkit) both share the bug03:06
_Groo_since arora doesnt appear to dump anything, it might be a similar problem03:06
_Groo_why it works in fedora/gentoo then?03:06
JontheEchidnamaybe they have a patch that we don't? I dunno03:06
_Groo_midori uses libwebkit, arora uses qt webkit...03:06
_Groo_hmmm03:06
JontheEchidnaYeah, and the fact that it occurs with two separate webkit libs leaves it very unlikely that we're breakign something03:07
JontheEchidnaI would think03:07
_Groo_btw can you do a unrelated test?03:07
JontheEchidnasure03:07
_Groo_could you please install webkitpart and open a flash and java page using the webkit view in konqueror?03:07
* JontheEchidna wonders if it still reverts to khtml every time you visit a new link in konq like it used to03:08
_Groo_yes it does03:09
_Groo_if you want to use webkit every time you still need to change the default viewer in kde settings03:09
JontheEchidnayeah, that's a bit of a pain03:09
JontheEchidnaok, flash is busted03:10
_Groo_its behind a white/black layer right?03:10
JontheEchidnawhite03:10
JontheEchidnajava doesn't work either, no layer03:11
_Groo_ok, could you add that behaviour to bug 188706 in bugs.kde.org?03:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 188706 in ubiquity "Kubunto Installation on Usb-HD failed" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18870603:11
_Groo_i opened the bug, but the devs insists it works for them.. so if you could abide by my bug it will pressure them to at least check it out03:12
JontheEchidnaeek, our version is a tad bit old03:12
JontheEchidnasvn of two months ago almost03:12
_Groo_JontheEchidna: no problem, that bug still exists with latest svn.. im using my own svn packages03:12
JontheEchidnaok03:12
_Groo_JontheEchidna: can you hear any sound when running the white flash?03:13
JontheEchidnaI didn't have the sound on03:13
lex79JontheEchidna: your system monitor temperature shows fahrenheit or centigrades?03:13
_Groo_JontheEchidna: cause the flash runs, if you go to youtube for ex, you can hear the sound, just not the video :P annoying03:14
JontheEchidnaI can't hear anything on youtube03:14
_Groo_JontheEchidna: do you hear if you use firefox for ex? or konki with default khtml?03:15
JontheEchidnalex79: I actually can't test, my CPU doesn't have any temp sensors03:15
JontheEchidna_Groo_: yes, sound does work with firefox and khtml03:16
_Groo_JontheEchidna: ok, so with latest svn sound works, but video is borked03:16
_Groo_for us anyway.. for them all works.. did you read my bug report?03:16
JontheEchidnalex79: I am thinking that this change in behavior is caused by https://launchpad.net/bugs/22446103:17
ubottuUbuntu bug 224461 in kdebase-workspace "Date, Time, Currency ... not in locale format" [Critical,Fix released]03:17
lex79JontheEchidna: ok, but...USA -> fahrenheit ?03:17
JontheEchidnayes03:17
JontheEchidnaI think USA is one of the only countries still using it03:17
JontheEchidna_Groo_: heh, konq just crashed switching back to khtml03:17
_Groo_JontheEchidna: ok jon, thanks for all your help :) im gonna dinner now03:18
_Groo_JontheEchidna: that was fixed with latest svn..03:18
_Groo_JontheEchidna: now you can switch at ease03:18
lex79ok, now in my system, locale is set to US but temperature shows in centigrades.... uhmmm03:18
JontheEchidnaO.o03:18
lex79maybe I have to reboot :)03:19
* JontheEchidna has to go for the night03:21
shtylmanRiddell: while im working on the installer: I have notices that for 800x600 screens it doesn't always fit...is this something I should look into??03:57
shtylman*noticed03:57
shtylmanRiddell: lp:~shtylman/ubiquity/timezone_hover <-- requested city on hover feature complete05:13
daskreechkb9vqf: ping05:38
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kb9vqfdascreech: belated pong06:20
kb9vqfdaskreech: belated pong06:21
daskreechhi I moved (and accidentlyremoved 1 of )  the isos06:21
kb9vqfdaskreech: ?06:21
daskreechI started the torrent again and I only see one seeder06:22
kb9vqfdaskreech: that should be me...is it not working?06:22
daskreechdid you pull down your torrent?06:22
daskreechoh no the seeder is me06:22
daskreech Before i saw 2 seeders06:22
kb9vqfdaskreech: ohh...are you using the latest torrent files from apt.pearsoncomputing.net/cdimages?06:22
daskreechYes06:22
daskreechWel06:22
kb9vqfdaskreech: so the tracker is www.pearsoncomputing.net?06:22
daskreechI don't know if it's latest06:23
daskreechLets try again06:23
kb9vqfdaskreech: if the tracker is pearsoncomputing.net then they are the latest06:23
kb9vqfI had to update the files to get rid of the disallowed ubuntu.com tracker06:23
daskreechok06:26
kb9vqfso they're working now?06:27
kb9vqfdaskreech: I'm not seeing any network traffic...are the torrents down on my end?06:31
daskreech*shrugs* What's your reading of peers?06:32
kb9vqfdaskreech: Exactly none.  Weird.06:33
kb9vqfdaskreech: Were you able to connect to the tracker OK?06:33
daskreechMy tracker info says that I have been last updated Never06:34
daskreech Will update in 4 minutes06:34
daskreechLets see06:34
kb9vqfdaskreech: OK, I'll wait :)06:34
kb9vqfdaskreech: soo....do I have tracker or torrent problems?06:40
daskreechnot sure06:42
daskreechIt worked yesterday In KDE06:42
daskreech:-(06:42
daskreechAnyone awake?06:42
daskreecha|wen_:  Hi06:43
a|wen_hi daskreech06:55
* kb9vqf waves back06:56
kb9vqfdaskreech: do you have something announcing the status of the tracker itself?06:56
kb9vqfdaskreech: maybe I'll try to connect from a different machine06:56
daskreechI'm getting someone else to try download it06:57
daskreechto see if it's me06:57
kb9vqfdaskreech: hmm...I see another peer, but it looks like my upload is broken07:02
daskreechOk that would be the person testing07:02
kb9vqfdaskreech: Restarted ktorrent and the i386 upload is working07:06
kb9vqf:-)07:06
daskreechHa Ok07:06
kb9vqfI must have blocked a port by accident while testing the tracker07:06
daskreechhmm ok07:06
kb9vqfI assume the amd64 version is working as well?07:06
daskreechNope doesn't seem to be07:06
daskreechI don't know if it makes a difference but he is using Ktorrent as well07:12
daskreechKtorrent 2.2507:19
kb9vqfdaskreech: I'll look into it tomorrow07:31
* kb9vqf goes off to be07:31
* kb9vqf goes off to bed07:31
daskreechok07:31
daskreechnight07:31
slangasekI notice that the bug list for plasma-widget-network-manager suggests that there are quite a few types of network configurations that don't actually work in jaunty - is there common underlying problem that accounts for these, or are they strange corner cases or something?  is any work being done yet on the NM integration for jaunty?08:26
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Quintasanbug 35841509:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 358415 in yakuake "Yakuake crashes when changing height in the Yakuake menu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35841509:13
Quintasananyone knows what may cause it?09:13
Tonio_Riddell: hi, bug 103394 is back10:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 103394 in kdelibs "broken translations in Kubuntu Feisty (daily langpack)" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/10339410:45
Tonio_Riddell: same as bug 42323...10:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 42323 in kdelibs "KDE applications mix translations in menus" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/4232310:45
Tonio_Riddell: seems to be the same problem, and I guess you may know how to fix... seems pretty high issue so close to the release...10:46
Tonio_Riddell: the exact same behavior here, some options in the menus are translated some not.....10:47
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LureRiddell: will kipi-plugins get into jaunty or not likely?12:45
seeleagateau: ping13:27
agateauseele: pong13:28
seeleagateau: hi!13:28
seeleyou did a lot of gwenview in the past year.. would you be interested in talking about it at akademy?13:28
seelewe would really like to get more kde application talks in13:28
agateaummm, not sure what I could say13:29
seelemaybe walk people through some of the features, talk about the hard to code parts, anything cool you did ..13:29
agateauit's not really an application which aims to be full of features :) i spend a lot of time saying people i won't implement this or that :)13:31
seelesee, but i think that would be interesting to hear about too13:32
seelebut then again, i'm a designer and push for those sorts of things :)13:32
seeleit would be a good example of remaining focused on design and development goals13:32
agateauseele: will think about it, but don't hold your breath :)13:33
seeleagateau: hehe, ok. that is the best i can hope for :)13:33
agateauseele: while you are available: did you have some time to have a look at the toolbar editor i mailed you about?13:35
seeleagateau: ugh.. forgot about it in the excitement of planning akademy and sou13:35
seelei have a meeting in an hour i need to leave for.. i'll try to look at it this weekend13:35
seeleotherwise ping me on monday.. sorry :(13:36
agateauseele: hehe, too many things to do, I can feel your pain :)13:36
JontheEchidnaeek13:47
JontheEchidnakde-style-qtcurve lacks a Messages.sh13:47
JontheEchidnaRiddell: bug 359060, turns out that last release I forgot to extract strings from the .ui files14:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 359060 in plasma-widget-quickaccess "New upstream bugfix release (0.7.4)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35906014:25
jussi01hrm, does kopete msn not work for everyne or is it just me?14:32
jjesseJontheEchidna: in regards to your weather applet, whenever i set my appearance to weather all i get is a dark blue no pictures background14:33
jussi01says its online, but no contacts or anything...14:33
JontheEchidnajjesse: could you start plasma in the console and pastebin the log please?14:38
jjesseJontheEchidna: sure, just kill plasma, then launch it from konsole?14:38
JontheEchidnakquitapp plasma would be better than kill14:39
jjesseJontheEchidna: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/148359/14:41
JontheEchidnahmm...14:42
jjessei wonder if the problem is the smae for the lcd weather applet where if wireless connection comes active after the desktop is loaded, so i have to right click on the lcd weather applet then click on lcd weather stations for it to update once i have network connection?14:42
JontheEchidnadoes plasma-widget-weather work?14:43
jjessethat's the lcd weather applet?14:43
JontheEchidnait's a different one14:44
jjessewasn't installed14:44
JontheEchidnalcd weather is part of kdeplasma-addons14:44
JontheEchidnaYeah, it won't work if you don't have a connection at startup14:44
JontheEchidnabtw, what version of the wallpaper do you have?14:44
JontheEchidnaIn 0.2.1 I made it use the Air wallpaper if the internet wasn't available on startup14:44
jjessethe .deb from kde-look.org14:44
JontheEchidnaapt-cache policy plasma-wallpaper-weather should say14:45
jjesse.2-0ubuntu1~kdelook2 014:45
JontheEchidnaThere's an updated deb at kde-look14:46
JontheEchidnaUnfortunately you won't be able to have actual weather until 30 minutes after you get an internet connection at this point :(14:47
JontheEchidnaBut at least you will have a wallpaper instead of blue14:47
* JontheEchidna out for 20 or so mins14:48
jjesseok14:50
* kb9vqf waves15:12
QuintasanJontheEchidna: ping15:16
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: pong15:19
QuintasanJontheEchidna: I've made a *.desktop file for starfighter (bug 357894) and it fails to copy it using install -m 0644 in debian/rules and starfighter.install. What should I do?15:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 357894 in starfighter "[Jaunty] menu entry missing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35789415:21
JontheEchidnayou could add it via quilt I suppose15:23
JontheEchidnaquilt new kubuntu_01_add_desktop_file15:23
JontheEchidnaquilt add code/starfighter.desktop15:24
JontheEchidnaplace your .desktop in /code15:24
JontheEchidnaquilt refresh15:24
JontheEchidnaThat's how I'd do it15:24
JontheEchidnaer, maybe not name the patch kubuntu_* unless it's a kubuntu-ish package :P15:26
* JontheEchidna names all his patches that out of habit15:27
JontheEchidnaooh, amarok beta15:28
JontheEchidnayay, the music progress bar and volume bar aren't grey!15:28
JontheEchidnadamn, we need packages in kubuntu-experimental15:29
JontheEchidnabut I also have a stack of broken things to fix :(15:29
QuintasanJontheEchidna: thanks15:31
nhandlerHey JontheEchidna15:31
JontheEchidnahi15:31
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: you're welcome15:32
nhandlerJontheEchidna: A Kubuntu issue came up at the release meeting: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-network-manager15:32
nhandlerThey are concerned about the number of issues regarding encrypted wireless15:32
JontheEchidnayeah, that's a bit disappointing...15:33
nhandlerHave we gone through them to see how many are duplicates?15:33
JontheEchidnaNot so much15:33
JontheEchidnaAll of the ones that have importances set should be pretty much triaged15:34
nhandlerYeah, a lot have a status of Triaged as well15:34
JontheEchidnayup, all the triaged ones should have confirmed upstream bugs linked to them15:34
rickspencer3mostly undecided, new though15:34
JontheEchidnayeah, the undecided ones haven't been touched by me or probably anyone else15:35
nhandlerrickspencer3: I'm hoping that a lot of the undecided new bugs are duplicates15:35
nhandlerHowever, I have not looked at them15:35
JontheEchidnaWe could possibly upload a new svn revision, but that would result in a big "Eff you" to all of our various freezes...15:42
JontheEchidnaQuite possibly in violation of all freezes15:42
JontheEchidna:P15:42
JontheEchidnaIt'd introduce new strings, features and user interface changes15:43
nhandlerJontheEchidna: I think the first thing we should do is triage the bugs to see how many different issues there are. Then, we can see how many of them have been fixed in SVN15:44
rickspencer3JontheEchidna: if it would help, I could see if we could put one of the bugs on the release team's radar15:44
rickspencer3and then if you decide that it's worth the risk, they would be inclined to accept the change?15:44
rickspencer3in general, does the kubuntu team feel that this is a critical issue? How badly will our users be impacted if we ship with what we have?15:45
JontheEchidnathe plasmoid vs the kde3 systray applet is sort of a "pick your poison" decision, unfortunately15:45
nhandlerI really don't think we can judge how severe the issue is without determining how many different "issues" there are. The number of bug reports really does not mean much15:45
JontheEchidnaknetworkmanager was barely ported to NM 0.7 and is severely crippled compared to its functionality in the NM 0.6 days15:46
JontheEchidnaplus connections other than DHCP won't work (meaning static IP's are broken)15:46
rickspencer3so Kubuntu users will have to connect with a plasmoid?15:47
rickspencer3or use the GNOME NM?15:47
rickspencer3(if they have a static IP)15:47
rickspencer3?15:47
JontheEchidnaif they want to use a static IP (DHCP is fine most of the time) then yes15:47
JontheEchidnaof course knetworkmanager also has 100 other misc bugs15:48
JontheEchidnahttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bugs?search=Search15:48
rickspencer3would it be possible for someone to assess the overall criticality of the Kubuntu NM issue, and let me know if you think a freeze exception would help?15:48
JontheEchidnahmm15:49
rickspencer3it seems that having problems connecting to a password protected wireless network is pretty bad15:49
rickspencer3would be worth an exception if we could fix it15:49
JontheEchidnayes, if we could, definitely15:50
* kb9vqf prefers the gnome nm-applet overall, and wonders if it could be shipped instead of knetworkmanager15:52
rickspencer3JontheEchidna: could someone let me know Monday or Tuesday if you want to go that route?15:53
JontheEchidnasure15:53
rickspencer3cool15:53
rickspencer3let me know if there is anything else I might do to help15:54
JontheEchidnaooh, I spot a duplicate15:54
NightroseJontheEchidna: should we try to have the meeting on monday to discuss this?15:54
JontheEchidnaI think we're already scheduling a meeting15:55
* JontheEchidna points to topic15:55
Nightroseyes15:55
JontheEchidnabut it should definitely be on the agenda15:55
Nightrosebut we could just say it is going to be monday15:55
Nightroseso we have a decision by tuesday15:55
JontheEchidnaoh, that might be a good idea15:55
Nightrosecan you send an email to the list?15:55
Nightroseexplaining why15:56
JontheEchidnaok15:56
Quintasanargh, I'm doing something wrong :/16:15
Quintasanoh lol16:40
QuintasanJontheEchidna: Can you check this? http://hs.quintasan.pl/starfighter_1.1-7ubuntu1.debdiff16:53
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: looking17:54
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: I believe the general policy is to not change the Standards Version of a package from Debian, and to let them change it when necessary17:55
JontheEchidnahttp://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/ubuntu-policy/policy.html/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Standards-Version17:56
JontheEchidnaAlso, at least in the copy of the debdiff on your server, your name in the debian/changelog entry looks broken (UTF characters, or the lack thereof)17:58
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daskreechBig fan of !kubuntu and all, but adopting a default network-manager ignorant of hidden SSIDs is epic fail. here's hoping final brings a fix.18:31
daskreechRandom dent18:33
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shtylmancan anyone tell me the official kubuntu blue rgb value? at least the one most commonly used?19:36
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shtylmanRiddell: I also did a bugfix for #358519, but after that I noticed that the gtk guys changed up the frontend for autopartitioning a bit (using a combo box for the full disk options), you would like me to change the kde side to match?20:23
jussi01shtylman: its curious, Im very suprised the info about colours isnt on the wiki, the ubuntu colours are, just not the kubuntu ones :/20:27
shtylmanjussi01: indeed21:05
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blizzzJontheEchidna: are you around?22:27
Riddellyo23:25
Riddellup in the highlands this weekend23:26
blizzzRiddell: did you read the mails about the meeting? shall we pick the day by vote or monday becuase of the freeze exception?23:28
Riddelli'm away on monday23:35
Riddellwhich doesn't mean you cannae23:35
Riddellbut on nm plasmoid i don't think svn is any better23:35
blizzzso we keep on the poll (if i got it right)23:37
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