[00:00] <GAZRA> Hello, I just installed Kubuntu Jaunty beta, and it is great, the only problem so far is that when I start Kontact, I get a window with some errors about the akonadi server.
[00:01] <GAZRA> Can someone please tell me what is that, and if it' really needed by kontact?
[00:01] <sithlord48> ello all ,
[00:02] <sithlord48> is there ne one here who can help me w/ a samba issue?
[00:03] <fosco__> !ask
[00:03] <LeeJunFan> Is there a touchpad configuration tool that will print out settings for xorg or save them when I get the settings to a point I like? Linux touchpad integration really stinks.
[00:03] <sithlord48> righty oh
[00:05] <dwidmann> LeeJunFan: not that I know of ... wonder how hard/easy it would be to make one though
[00:05] <sithlord48> when my samba server restarts, on  my clients w/ mounted shares any attempt to open a browser crashes the computer then they hang on shutdown, even  if the server has fully restarted before trying to access mounted shares
[00:10] <lamer> abend
[00:22] <d3jake> I'm running a 6.08(I think) version of Kubuntu because I cannot reinstall with a newer version( the LiveCD hangs when I am booting from it.) Will the package manager upgrade this install to be current with the newest version of Kubuntu? Or do I need to add repositories to my repo list or..?
[00:23] <fosco__> d3jake, you can update with update-manager command
[00:23] <d3jake> ohh...
[00:24] <d3jake> hmm...
[00:24] <domw888> !de
[00:25] <jamesjedimaster> d3jake: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/UpgradeFromOldVersion
[00:25] <d3jake> jamesjedimaster I had boon looking up some other things. THanks a lot!
[00:26] <d3jake> been*
[00:26] <jamesjedimaster> d3jake: I hope that link can help you
[00:27] <d3jake> I think it shall!
[00:38] <kelvie> anyone else finding the latest jaunty updates crashing X ?
[00:38] <kelvie> every time the video mode changes, the video hangs (on my intel card)
[00:39] <happygrue> kelvie: I'm not positive about changing video modes, but I have crashed every attempt at rebooting so far (3)
[00:40] <happygrue> crashed it not the right word:  the screen goes blank and I can move the mouse around, but it seems dead other than that
[00:40] <kelvie> ah, I get garbage all over the screen
[00:40] <happygrue> I wanted to test it a bit more before reporting a bug though
[00:40] <kelvie> I can still hold my power button down to force it to shut down
[00:40] <happygrue> seems different then
[00:41] <kelvie> when I start up KDE it'll crash
[00:41] <kelvie> I can start up fluxbox still
[00:41] <happygrue> have you tried going into the menu and starting in safe mode?
[00:41] <happygrue> or whatever option it is, there was a kernal you could select I think that was something like it... IIRC
[00:41]  * happygrue is new at this
[00:41] <josel> I have a similar problem, sometimes when opening a new window the screen freezes, only the mouse cursor can be moved but the power button still works
[00:42] <happygrue> josel: when you mean works, you mean if you hit the power button, it will bring up the kubuntu logo and shut down nicely after that?
[00:42] <happygrue> that is what happens for me
[00:42] <kelvie> hehe I'm going to do that and edit my xorg.conf
[00:42] <kelvie> (I'm not new at this ;)
[00:42] <happygrue> hehe
[00:42] <kelvie> the new networkmanager is just a pain, though
[00:42] <kelvie> because you need plasma to use it
[00:43] <happygrue> I tried jaunty because I has sound issues with 8.10, but it seems to work great on 9.04
[00:43] <kelvie> so I have to manually connect to wireless
[00:43] <kelvie> intel GM965 drivers really suck on 8.10
[00:43] <kelvie> was my reason to upgrade
[00:43] <happygrue> interesting.  I haven't needed to do anything, since I am wired
[00:43] <josel> happygrue: no, it wouldn't bring the kubuntu, it only shuts down nicely and at about the time the logo should apear the screen changes to crap
[00:44] <happygrue> hmm
[00:45] <eclix> andressa
[00:48] <sithlord48> can any one help me ? if my samba server restarts,my clients w/ mounted shares then hang on opening any flie browser and also on shutdown/reboot this happens even  if the server has fully restarted before trying to open a file browser or shutdown/restart
[00:49] <sithlord48> it gets fixed as soon as i sudo /etc/init.d/samba resart
[00:50] <oneforall> hi ius there a package of sage 3.4?
[01:29] <ramon> hi, everybody...could anybody help me install the 1000Mbit lan driver?
[01:30] <ramon> tar xfvj install-???.tar.bz2 -> this command is written for me to use...but after enter appears for me:
[01:30] <dwidmann> ramon: must 1000Mbit NICs should work OOTB
[01:31] <xjjk> dwidmann: not necessarily
[01:32] <dwidmann> xjjk: I guess "not necessarily" is why I used "most" instead of "all"
[01:32] <ramon> http://paste.ubuntu.com/148008/
[01:32] <ramon> this appears for me
[01:32] <xjjk> ramon: what NIC is this
[01:32] <xjjk> and what version of Kubuntu
[01:32] <ramon> sorry...but I'm new on Linux, what is NIC?
[01:32] <dwidmann> xjjk: they probably didn't really mean ???, use the real filename
[01:32] <ramon> 804
[01:32] <ramon> 804
[01:32] <dwidmann> erm, crap, meant ramon
[01:32] <xjjk> NIC = network interface card
[01:32] <ramon> 8.04
[01:33] <dwidmann> ramon: they probably didn't really mean ???, use the real filename
[01:33] <ramon> sk98lin.tar.bz2
[01:33] <ramon> this one?
[01:33] <ramon> ahh understood
[01:33] <dwidmann> yes.
[01:33] <ramon> let me tryy
[01:34] <xjjk> ramon: quick search says that driver has been in the kernel since 2.6.20-ish
[01:34] <xjjk> are you sure you need to install a driver separately?
[01:34] <ramon> nopi..i just want to use my lan board at 1000Mbit
[01:35] <xjjk> goes back to what dwidmann said, most NICs work out of the box
[01:35] <ramon> is there another way to use it?
[01:35] <xjjk> ramon: so, the NIC *does* work, but not at 1000 Mbit?
[01:36] <ramon> yes...it's at 100Mbit
[01:36] <xjjk> where's it tell you that... some log?
[01:38] <ramon> i don't know...a friend of mine entered in my computer and told me that
[01:38] <ramon> he told me to use etho tool etho to see it..but i can't
[01:39] <dwidmann> I know knetworkmanager will tell you what it's connected at
[01:39] <genii> Probably more like ethtool eth0
[01:39] <ramon> let me try
[01:40] <genii> ramon: You may want sudo with that
[01:40] <ramon>  Speed: 100Mb/s
[01:40] <dwidmann> yeah, it'll want sudo
[01:41] <dwidmann> ramon: does your switch/router operate at 1000Mb/s? does your ethernet cable support it?
[01:41] <xjjk> ramon: yeah, it's more likely that someone else in your network is causing the problem rather than the driver
[01:41] <ramon> http://paste.ubuntu.com/148015/
[01:41] <xjjk> the driver's in-kernel and old; if it works at 100Mbit it probably will work at 1000Mbit without you having to touch it
[01:42] <xjjk> ramon: so, the driver/device supports 1000Mbit
[01:42] <xjjk> you probably don't need to recompile your driver
[01:44] <ramon> yes..
[01:44] <ramon> my driver is 10/100/1000
[01:45] <dwidmann> hmm, one of my other computers is only connected at 10Mb/s ... that's odd. This and the other other one are connected at 1000Mb/s though ... hmmm
[01:46] <ramon> it has a great diff, right?
[01:47] <dwidmann> potential difference yes, for heavy intranet traffic ... but for normal day to day stuff, surfing the web, etc, it won't matter
[01:47] <dark> hola
[01:48] <dwidmann> hi
[01:48] <dark> alguien ke me allude???
[01:48] <xjjk> ramon: FYI... I wrote a blog article about this
[01:48] <xjjk> http://samat.org/weblog/20090315-quick-and-easy-network-bandwidth-benchmarking-on-linux-and-macos-x.html
[01:48] <dark> alguien abla español
[01:48] <dark> ???
[01:48] <dwidmann> !es | dark
[01:48] <oneforall> hmm guess not
[01:48] <dark> ok gracias
[01:51] <dark> ui kreo ke no ai nadie ispano :(
[01:51] <dwidmann> xjjk: that's interesting ... I think I'll have to try it out
[01:52] <xjjk> dwidmann: I get 110 MB/sec or so
[01:52] <xjjk> without jumbo frames, with two PCs connected to each other
[01:52] <dwidmann> xjjk: (due to disk speed limitations the fastest I've ever seen it go was maybe 35MB/s)
[01:52] <xjjk> dwidmann: yep
[01:55] <charles> yoyo is there a program to automatically detect which drivers (graphics/ video whatever) I need and install them?
[01:55] <Xain> If you find the answer to that question i would like to know as well.
[01:55] <dwidmann> charles: jockey-kde might be able to do that, I'm not sure.
[01:56] <xjjk> charles: isn't that usually automatic
[01:57] <davidjheinrich> hi all
[01:57] <Xain> I think he want's something that will search for updated driver's automatically and give him a list.
[01:57] <Xain> I know that's what i want to find. ^^
[01:57] <charles> yeah something like that
[01:57] <charles> I've done it the slow way before, but I've heard there is an easier method
[01:57] <davidjheinrich> can anyone ere help me with a radeonhd / xorg problem? I upgraded everything on my sys from the apt-get update apt-get upgrade...including kernel headers. Now, windows are really slow when moving; I can see them being repainted, and there is considerable lag
[01:58] <xjjk> Xain, charles: don't know of any tool like that... but I still don't understand completely
[01:58] <xjjk> the main barrier to such a tool is that there is no guarantee that whatever driver is out there is compatible with what you have
[01:58] <dwidmann> envy-ng is another toy worth playing with for graphics drivers installation
[01:58] <genii> !envyng
[01:58] <xjjk> if the author of said driver was spending so much time to keep it up to date
[01:58] <Xain> program with a Gui that show's a list of driver's for your specific GPU.
[01:59] <xjjk> why would he not put it in the Linux kernel
[01:59] <genii> Note "not supported"...
[01:59] <dwidmann> that description of envy-ng is out of date, it does ATI cards too
[01:59] <Xain> Is there one that support's Intel?
[01:59] <dwidmann> doubtful, but intel should work at maximum performance OOTB
[02:00] <Xain> Yeah... That's shoot's my hope's down.
[02:00] <xjjk> dwidmann, Xain: eh... not necessarily....
[02:00] <xjjk> Xain: are you using 8.10 or 9.04?
[02:00] <Xain> 8.04. =P
[02:00] <xjjk> Xain: hrm, OK...don't go to 8.10 or 9.03
[02:00] <charles> well the reason I'm asking is because when I open a window and sometimes drag it, it freaks out
[02:00] <xjjk> 9.04*
[02:00] <xjjk> performance gets worse
[02:00] <Xain> Intrepid, and Jaunty have problem's.
[02:01] <xjjk> they're refactoring the driver
[02:01] <Xain> ALOT of problem's.
[02:01] <xjjk> Xain: yep
[02:01] <Xain> I get that crash back to kdm upon resolution change.
[02:01] <Xain> And 9.0 was even worse.
[02:01] <Xain> Even when i disabled all the desktop effect's.
[02:01] <xjjk> Xain: well, newer Intel drivers
[02:01] <dwidmann> hmm, intel driver works okay for me in 8.10 (of course, that doesn't mean it works for anyone else)
[02:01] <xjjk> need a bunch of other infrastructure changes
[02:02] <Xain> Still ran like junk.
[02:02] <xjjk> newer kernel, newer X, etc
[02:02] <xjjk> just getting the newer driver wouldn't work
[02:02] <charles> would the graphics driver be the problem if I can't open windows without the contents of the window being weird lines for a second or two?
[02:02] <Xain> Well, mine ran decently in 8.10 don't get me wrong.
[02:02] <dwidmann> Sometimes old is good.
[02:02] <xjjk> charles: yes
[02:03] <Xain> No that's a bug in 8.10, and 9.04 that give's you that junk looking lines when you open a pic file.
[02:03] <Xain> Something about kde4 does it to ya.
[02:03] <dwidmann> Wow ... I think I might postpone upgrading my laptop to 9.04 then.
[02:03] <Xain> Yeah believe me.
[02:03] <Xain> I was running 8.10 there for a bit.
[02:03] <Xain> Really liked it.
[02:03] <xjjk> dwidmann: other than the Intel gfx problems, IMHO 9.04 is going to be *awesome*
[02:04] <charles> so the lines and junk is just a glitch in the release?
[02:04] <Xain> Then i upped to 9.04 and got pissed and re-installed with 8.04, haha.
[02:04] <oneforall> so any one used sage 3.4?
[02:04] <xjjk> Xain: when did you try
[02:04] <Xain> Yeah the line's is a bug in kde4.
[02:04] <Xain> try what
[02:04] <Xain> 9.04?
[02:04] <xjjk> Xain: the Intel driver/GFX infrastructure is getting a lot fo work in 9.04
[02:04] <xjjk> yes
[02:04] <xjjk> it's went from horrible to bearable for me
[02:04] <dwidmann> IIRC radeonhd driver still has a lot of problems to iron out (not saying that fglrx is necessarily any better, just saying that radeonhd has problems)
[02:04] <Xain> Like 4 day's ago.
[02:04] <xjjk> hrm
[02:04] <charles> oh that sucks
[02:05] <Xain> The new beta release.
[02:05] <Xain> I think imma just stick with Hardy for now.
[02:05] <Xain> I bet Gnome doesn't have as many problem's as kde4. : /
[02:05] <dwidmann> xjjk: ?? People are saying it has nasty issues, yet this makes it more bearable? Explain.
[02:06] <charles> kde4 looks so nice though
[02:06] <charles> except for these crap opening windows lines
[02:06] <xjjk> dwidmann: in January, the performance was horrid/unusable
[02:06] <Xain> Yes it does look nice doesn't it....
[02:06] <xjjk> dwidmann: right now, IMHO, with compositing on
[02:06] <Xain> I have a good comparison for you, haha.
[02:06] <dwidmann> Xain: probably not, but KDE4 is improving quickly.
[02:06] <xjjk> I can personally bear with it
[02:06] <Xain> Upgrading from kde3 to kde4, is like going from XP to Vista.
[02:06] <xjjk> that's with EXA; UXA (which is supposed to improve performance a lot) gives me hardlocks
[02:07] <dwidmann> hardlocks ... evil
[02:07] <charles> yeah KDE3 is nothing compared to KDE4
[02:08] <xjjk> dwidmann: but, KDE 4.2.2 and other various Jaunty changes make it worth sticking with Jaunty
[02:08] <Xain> I wasted a cd burning jaunty to disc...
[02:08] <dwidmann> xjjk: that's why I'm running Qt 4.5 & KDE 4.2.2 on Intrepid
[02:08] <xjjk> (for me)
[02:09] <peaches> Xain: you mean the next big vesion of gnome ?
[02:09] <xjjk> dwidmann: yah, that works... but I hate managing external repositories
[02:09] <xjjk> personal preference
[02:09] <Xain> peaches: Yeah.
[02:09] <dwidmann> xjjk: I bet you hate building huge things like that from source even more ;)
[02:09] <Xain> peaches: does it have as many problem's as kde4?
[02:09] <xjjk> I end up with 20 PPAs and it's all a mess
[02:10] <xjjk> dwidmann: yes, I do now
[02:10] <xjjk> 3 yrs ago, I had no problem building KDE, the linux kernel, etc
[02:10] <xjjk> ...and now, the benefit doesn't outweigh the hassle
[02:10] <peaches> Xain: i dunno i'm still waiting on the next big version whatever that will be.. i dont use it though so i wouldn't be able to say anyway. i just read something recently about a next version planned
[02:10] <dwidmann> xjjk: KDE (stable branch) builds pretty easy ... do it once and you're set for building each new version for a long time, it seems.
[02:10] <Xain> I should go back to using Amiga.....
[02:10] <xjjk> dwidmann: interesting
[02:11] <peaches> KDE4 had a lot of problems when it first came out..
[02:11] <peaches> took forever for compositing too but hey
[02:11] <xjjk> dwidmann: are there build scripts, or are you just doing an svn checkout and compiling everything
[02:11] <Xain> I have to change compositing in kde4 from OpenGL over to Xserver otherwise i get major crashing issues.
[02:12] <dwidmann> xjjk: svn checkout ... then I build it with my own script that I wrote (I built it manually the first trip around, to make sure I had all dependencies in place)
[02:12] <peaches> Xain: nvidia or something else?
[02:12] <Xain> Intel.
[02:12] <xjjk> dwidmann: I see, cool
[02:12] <peaches> Xain: ah.. is that the G965
[02:12] <Xain> Lol.......
[02:12] <Xain> 945GMA.......
[02:12] <peaches> whatever that one haha
[02:12] <Xain> No hardware T&L.
[02:12] <Xain> Crummy GL support on it anyway.
[02:13] <peaches> you use the latest drivers from intel compiled yourself or the precompiled with the distro?
[02:13] <Xain> Precompiled.
[02:13] <Xain> Last time i compiled them myself they ended up all being software rendered.
[02:13] <Xain> Don't know how....
[02:13] <peaches> probably have better luck with intel bulds from what i read on the intellinux.org site
[02:13] <Xain> I'm not a big Nix techy. : /
[02:14] <peaches> i see
[02:14] <peaches> laptop?
[02:14] <Xain> Yep.
[02:14] <Xain> How did you know, haha.
[02:14] <peaches> ok just remember last reading something about now having multihead support on laptops that support it on one of those chipsets
[02:15] <peaches> just a guess .. i doubt their desktop computers with a 965 board is popular
[02:15] <dwidmann> Xain: hey, everybody has to start somewhere ... don't be afraid to try to learn something new :) (the only way to expand your skillz is to do things you don't know how to do once in a while)
[02:16] <DarkTan> i'm looking for a good irc chatbot, that is fairly easy to use. any suggestions?
[02:16] <Xain> That chipset is common in Acer product's.
[02:17] <Xain> It's rare to find one with an Nvidia in it.
[02:17] <Xain> If i knew how to edit my driver's i would.
[02:17] <Xain> I would like to edit it half hardware and half software rendered.
[02:18] <DarkTan> dwidmann: and reinstall often ;)
[02:18] <dwidmann> DarkTan: for  most things, just do your experimenting in a safe place, like /usr/local or /opt ...
[02:19] <Xain> Last time i changed driver's for my vga i used some installation program in kde somewhere that brang up a list of different driver's to choose from.
[02:19] <DarkTan> i started on 6.x (don't rember the exact number) i think i had to do a full install 4 or five times
[02:19] <Xain> Had to re-install after i cose a new one, haha.
[02:20] <DarkTan> Xain: you probably did what i do fairly often, crash X and run in low graphics mode
[02:20] <Xain> Yeah it was similar to that.
[02:20] <Xain> After about 5 second's in the OS it crashes back to kdm.
[02:20] <DarkTan> mine crashes like clock work every time i try to dual screen
[02:21] <Xain> I haven't tried that yet.
[02:21] <Xain> I think i'll hold off on it.
[02:21] <Xain> I just got my laptop back up and running decently.
[02:21] <DarkTan> heh
[02:21] <Xain> Just having problem's with Wine.
[02:21] <dwidmann> multiple screens worked fine for me with intel in 8.10 ... I've never had a problem with it with nvidia or ati
[02:22] <DarkTan> mine worked fine on 7.10, crashes every time on 8.04
[02:22]  * DarkTan hasn't made the switch to 8.10 yet
[02:22] <Xain> Mine worked in Gnome.
[02:22] <dwidmann> Or maybe it was earlier than 8.10? ... I can't remember
[02:22] <Xain> Haven't tried it in kde yet though.
[02:22] <dwidmann> DarkTan: do some testing before making a jump to 9.04 .. word has it it doesn't like intel graphics
[02:23] <DarkTan> i have an AMD with ATI gfx
[02:23] <Xain> I can be of assistance on the Intel in 9.04...
[02:23] <Xain> It suck's!
[02:23] <DarkTan> i'm still fairly new, i'll wait till things are stable before making the move
[02:23] <Xain> It's like having an old 2 meg matrox vga card.....
[02:24]  * DarkTan still uses KDE3 cause he's scared to fiddle with his gfx properties in 4
[02:24] <dwidmann> DarkTan: catalyst 9.3 is full of trouble for me ... be careful with that too if you head in that direction ... I get *NASTY* crashes just by trying to open the control center
[02:24] <Xain> I just dropped back down to Hardy because kde4 run's so hoggish with Intel.
[02:24] <Xain> Well, in Jaunty it run's hoggish.
[02:24] <DarkTan> i'm fine with this for now, my main concern is finding a good chat bot
[02:24] <dwidmann> *NASTY* = everything crashes, I don't even get to go back to KDM or a TTY, I have to resort to the power button
[02:24] <Xain> Intrepid ran pretty damm good to be honest.
[02:26] <Xain> The thing about kde4.2 in Intrepid is that it ran fine, just had to turn off the enhanced desktop effect's to run game's, otherwise you get a crash back to kdm.
[02:26] <dwidmann> (last time it happened, I lost some files too :( (settings, dIMAP cache)
[02:26] <Xain> In Jaunty....... I don't even wanna start on what all i disabled just to have it run crummy.
[02:27] <sts9> ok, Ive been locked out of KDE 4.2.2 on jaunty.  something about no write access to ICEauthority.  Only two things I can think of: 1) the latest updates 2) I acidentally started k3b in root then closed out.
[02:27] <Xain> Does anyone know of any software or a program that can let me adjust my setting's for OpenGL?
[02:27] <dwidmann> Xain: more than likely it's all part of the larger picture though ... get the big work done now, so that 10.04(LTS) doesn't suck.
[02:28] <davidjheinrich> can anyone help me withthis issue: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1120692
[02:28] <Xain> dwidmann: Touche.
[02:28] <Xain> I might get 10.0 after i talk to someone in here that run's an Intel GPU, haha.
[02:29] <DarkTan> ...
[02:29]  * DarkTan just lockes up Brasero
[02:29] <Xain> Lol.
[02:29] <Xain> How did you manage that one?
[02:29] <dwidmann> Xain: you won't have to worry about that for a year
[02:30]  * DarkTan shrugs
[02:30] <DarkTan> i'm just that damn good
[02:30] <Xain> Oh, it's a full year?
[02:30] <Xain> Haha.
[02:30] <Xain> I gotta start takin tip's from you then.
[02:30] <dwidmann> 10.04 = 2010 - April
[02:30] <Xain> Heh.
[02:31] <Xain> When 10 come out i'll probably frisbee it and re-install 8.04 like i alway's have....
[02:31] <dwidmann> 8.10 = 2008 - October .... etc
[02:31] <Xain> Not to mention 8.04 is LTS anyway.
[02:31] <Xain> I also like the performance i get with dual-core in it.
[02:31] <dwidmann> the KDE ui part of it isn't though
[02:32] <davidjheinrich> anyone have any ideas on the issue I linked to above?
[02:32] <Xain> Don't need update's for KDE.
[02:32] <Xain> Just all teh software.
[02:32] <Xain> And driver's.
[02:32] <Xain> I have had absolutely no problem's with Hardy except for the fact i can't run WoW, haha.
[02:33] <Xain> I think that's due to my GPU though...
[02:33] <dwidmann> Xain: have you followed any guides/etc for it at appdb.winehq.org?
[02:33] <Xain> I used the one on WoWwiki.
[02:34] <Xain> Say's to enable DRI which i alway's do anyway.
[02:34] <robert__> I'm new to linux
[02:34] <dwidmann> Xain:(note also, that the "latest greatest" version of wine usually isn't ... use 1.0 if you can)
[02:34] <Xain> DRI = Major performance boost in any case for an Intel GPU.
[02:34] <Xain> I am using 1.0
[02:34] <Supermetalfreak> Weird
[02:34] <Xain> I install mine using Adept.
[02:34] <Supermetalfreak> I don't remember ever registering here
[02:35] <Xain> Only way i know of on how to get 1.0
[02:35] <dwidmann> !register
[02:35] <Supermetalfreak> Oh.... this is freenode?
[02:35] <dwidmann> Supermetalfreak: yes.
[02:35] <Supermetalfreak> "UbuntuIRC"?
[02:36] <dwidmann> Supermetalfreak: that's just some sort of default alias ... you can call it whatever you want.
[02:37] <Supermetalfreak> Well
[02:37] <Supermetalfreak> on the server list
[02:37] <Xain> Ok, dwid, Where would i go to alter my setting's for my vga driver's manually?
[02:37] <Supermetalfreak> it says irc.ubuntu.net
[02:37] <Supermetalfreak> .com*
[02:38] <dwidmann> Supermetalfreak: freenode is a very large collection of servers ... seems also that Canonical is a sponsor of freenode so that might have something to do with it too
[02:39] <Xain> Oh, another thing...
[02:39] <Xain> How do i activate my damm bluetooth......
[02:39] <Xain> Lol.
[02:39] <Supermetalfreak> I'm getting ubuntu soon
[02:39] <Supermetalfreak> i would like to know how to disable my touchpad while my mouse is plugged in
[02:39] <dwidmann> !bluetooth | Xain
[02:40] <dwidmann> hopefully that helps ... I don't actually have any bluetooth stuff myself
[02:40] <Xain> Only thing i have is a pair of bluetooth headphone's.
[02:40] <Xain> Just curious if i can pair them with my laptop.
[02:41] <dwidmann> Supermetalfreak: hmm, not sure ... why does it absolutely need to be disabled anyhow?
[02:41] <Xain> But i read awhile back when this edition of Acer laptop's was distributed, they disabled the actual onboard bluetooth hardware.
[02:41] <Supermetalfreak> Because while i type, i hit it on accident, and it pastes random things in my clipboard
[02:41] <dwidmann> Supermetalfreak: there's a nice program on kde-apps.org called touchfreeze that helps with that
[02:42] <Xain> For Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) and above most of the instructions below are obsolete
[02:42] <Xain> Haha.
[02:42] <dwidmann> seems it's also in the repository for ubuntu 8.10 Supermetalfreak
[02:42] <Supermetalfreak> I'll check it out, thanks
[02:43] <Xain> Hmm...
[02:43] <Supermetalfreak> Can'ttouchfind it, dwidmann
[02:44] <Xain> Say's all i have to do is plug it into my laptop and i should have the choice to set it up as a paired connection.
[02:44] <Supermetalfreak> touch screen player
[02:44] <Supermetalfreak> seeby touch
[02:44] <dwidmann> !info touchfreeze intrepid
[02:44] <sts9> so no one knows what would change the write access to .ICE authority?
[02:44] <Xain> Does blue tooth actually have a driver that run's it in your pc or is it all done through software?
[02:45] <Supermetalfreak> Oh, i'm on kubuntu
[02:45] <dwidmann> sts9: using sudo on grqaphical apps can do that.
[02:45] <dwidmann> !kdesudo | sts9
[02:46] <sts9> yeah I know it was and accident
[02:46] <dwidmann> Supermetalfreak: same repository
[02:46] <sts9> but how do I fix it?
[02:46] <Supermetalfreak> Yes, but how do i get it? through a package on adept manager?
[02:47] <dwidmann> sts9: sudo chown username:username ~/.ICEauthority
[02:47] <dwidmann> Supermetalfreak: sure
[02:47] <Supermetalfreak> >.<
[02:48] <Supermetalfreak> i search it and it doesn't show
[02:48] <sts9> ok, Ive found that on google, Im about to do that but wondering if there might be other things messed up as well now
[02:48] <dwidmann> Supermetalfreak: are you in "install/remove packages" or the real Adept manager?
[02:48] <dwidmann> Supermetalfreak: anyhow, "sudo apt-get install touchfreeze" will take care of it also.
[02:48] <sts9> Should I be reinstalling? I dont want a shaky system.  (nevermind the fact that Im running jaunty :P
[02:49] <Supermetalfreak> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[02:49] <Supermetalfreak> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[02:49] <DarkTan> !eggdrop
[02:49] <dwidmann> sts9: if you want you can re-create your home dir .... but I wouldn't do that unless I ran into real problems first because of the hassle
[02:50] <dwidmann> Supermetalfreak: you'll need to close Adept first.
[02:50] <DarkTan> !jabberbot
[02:50] <DarkTan> -_-
[02:50] <Supermetalfreak> oh, right
[02:50] <dwidmann> !info jabberbot
[02:50] <Supermetalfreak> Reading state information... Done
[02:50] <Supermetalfreak> E: Couldn't find package touchfreeze
[02:50] <sts9> !finishmyhomework
[02:50] <Xain> Lol.
[02:50] <DarkTan> snrk
[02:50] <sts9> good point.  Ill do it
[02:51] <dwidmann> lol
[02:51] <Xain> !JACK
[02:51] <Xain> !JACKaudio
[02:51] <Xain> ....
[02:51] <DarkTan> !info gozerbot
[02:51] <Xain> !Sound
[02:51] <tsimpson> !botabuse
[02:51] <Xain> That won't work.
[02:51] <dwidmann> !experiment
[02:51] <DarkTan> that still doesn't help me...
[02:52] <Supermetalfreak> !info touchfreeze
[02:52] <DarkTan> !
[02:52]  * DarkTan googles
[02:52] <Supermetalfreak> Why can't i install if it exists?
[02:52] <Supermetalfreak> E: Couldn't find package touchfreeze
[02:52] <tsimpson> do you have universe enabled?
[02:52] <dwidmann> Supermetalfreak: what did apt-get say, also, which version of Ubuntu are you using?
[02:52] <dwidmann> Supermetalfreak: that package did _not_ exist before version 8.10
[02:52] <Supermetalfreak> Latest Kubuntu
[02:53] <Supermetalfreak> Sysinfo for 'robert-laptop': Linux 2.6.24-23-generic running KDE 3.5.10, CPU: GenuineIntel(R)CPUT2060@1.60GHz at 1600 MHz (3192 bogomips), , RAM: 963/1002MB, 111 proc's, 3.0d up
[02:53] <dwidmann> Supermetalfreak: that looks like version 8.04... which is not the newest,btw
[02:53] <Supermetalfreak> oh
[02:53]  * Supermetalfreak updates(?)
[02:53] <Xain> Supermetalfreak: Ewww, Celeron FTL?
[02:54] <Supermetalfreak> Don't judge me
[02:54] <dwidmann> if you want to ...
[02:54] <Xain> I'm not judging.
[02:54] <dwidmann> !upgrade
[02:54] <Xain> Your as screwed as i am man, haha.
[02:54] <Xain> You just have a little bit harder of a time with your CPU.
[02:54] <Supermetalfreak> I had worse with pista ;P
[02:54] <Xain> Celeron = Intel that is missing the L2 cache.
[02:54] <dwidmann> Supermetalfreak: though that's overkill for just getting that one program
[02:55] <Xain> Or atleast that's how the old one's were.
[02:55] <Supermetalfreak> well it's worth it
[02:56] <Xain> Supermetalfreak: What laptop are you running?
[02:56] <Supermetalfreak> dell
[02:56] <dwidmann> well, if you want to Supermetalfreak
[02:56] <Xain> .....???
[02:56] <Xain> What kind of Dell?
[02:56] <dwidmann> Supermetalfreak: keeping in mind that 9.04 will be out in a couple weeksish
[02:56] <Xain> I would like to see what kind of hardware your running.
[02:57] <Supermetalfreak> inspiron e1505
[02:58] <Xain> 53 watt-hour 6-cell battery
[02:58] <Xain> Don't know how the hell they measured it into wattage but ok, haha.
[02:58] <Supermetalfreak> yea, didn't last as long as i hoped
[02:59] <dwidmann> Supermetalfreak: if you change your mind, http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/TouchFreeze?content=61442
[02:59] <Xain> My battery suck's so don't feel bad, haha.
[02:59] <Supermetalfreak> YEa, i got a new one though :P
[02:59] <Xain> I'm running an Acer Aspire 5570z.
[02:59] <Supermetalfreak> I unplug it every so often
[03:00] <Xain> Mine has a charge dispersal in the charger for when i leave it plugged in too long.
[03:00] <Supermetalfreak> trying to look where the software update thing is on kubuntu
[03:00] <Xain> It really comes in handy for preserving it.
[03:01] <Xain> I admire your single core proccy.
[03:02] <Supermetalfreak> anyone else here running kubuntu? :s
[03:03] <Supermetalfreak> i can't find the software update
[03:03] <Supermetalfreak> >.<
[03:03] <dwidmann> Supermetalfreak: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu
[03:03] <dwidmann> Supermetalfreak: look at the channel name :P
[03:03] <Supermetalfreak> Yea, i know xD
[03:04] <Supermetalfreak> upgrading now :D
[03:04] <draik_> Hello all. I'm looking for a script/command to generate X amount of keys with min character Y and max character Z with a-z A-Z 0-9 and every special character.
[03:04] <Xain> Lol.
[03:05] <chronic> lol
[03:06] <tiger21> lol
[03:07]  * DarkTan blink blinks
[03:07] <draik_> ?
[03:08] <Xain> draik_: So what you are looking for is a customizable macro?
[03:09] <draik_> I'm trying to find an output of the said gen keys so that I can later choose from them for the changes of WPA encryption for my wifi at home.
[03:09] <Xain> Supermetalfreak: Lol! I spit on yoru vga card...
[03:10] <Xain> Supermetalfreak: Only cuz i'm stuck with the same one.......
[03:10] <jeffryj_> hi
[03:10] <Xain> Supermetalfreak: But believe it or not.... Your vga is actually different from mine in architecture.
[03:10] <jeffryj_> any ideas why my usb mouse and keyboard would be nonfunctional on the kdm login screen?
[03:10] <Xain> Supermetalfreak: Don't know what it is but the Acer and Dell Intel GPU's are different from eachother.
[03:13] <draik_> Isn't Acer made by Gateway?
[03:13] <draik_> Or is that Asus?
[03:14] <draik_> Xain: Did my end result make sense?
[03:14] <dwidmann> I though Acer is Acer
[03:15] <Xain> Haha.
[03:15] <Xain> I wish this was an Asus.
[03:15] <Xain> Hmmmm.
[03:15] <Xain> Lemme think.
[03:16] <Xain> So your wanting an easy way to type a full fledged password with one keystroke for your WPA encryption for your router?
[03:16] <draik_> Not so much with a keystroke, but something which I can reference and choose somewhat randomly
[03:17] <Xain> Or are you running as a bridged host for other's to connect through your wi-fi connection itself?
[03:17] <draik_> I have an AP
[03:17] <Xain> Ah.
[03:18] <Xain> Why, you got someone hacking your router? Haha.
[03:18] <draik_> No, I just want to be able to choose a new password when people come over. I never want it to be an easy password for the day.
[03:18] <draik_> Or anything repeated for at least 1 year
[03:18] <Xain> Ahh.
[03:19] <Xain> Don't like people getting on the website's you hate eh?
[03:19] <dwidmann> quick, hide the pr0n
[03:19] <Xain> Lol.
[03:19] <scott_> can someone help me enable direct rendering with an intel card
[03:19] <Xain> Depending on what you are doing, i might be able to help you.
[03:20] <draik_> I don't care what others see online as I am never held liable for what others want to see online.
[03:20] <Xain> Let's say, you are trying to ban certain website's or protocol's, i can explain how to do that in total with your router, if you just want to play guess my password game, then i might have to do some research real quick.
[03:20] <draik_> dwidmann: I don't care if you have midget granny amputee pron, it's your browser, not mine.
[03:21] <dwidmann> LOL
[03:21] <draik_> "guess my password game" is more like what I want
[03:21] <draik_> But without them being able to guess
[03:21] <dwidmann> why not go with a single, strong password?
[03:22] <Xain> My cousin used a version of redhat from back in 92' and it had an option to bind single word's or phrases to a hotket by using something like, CTRL, A, F3.
[03:22] <Xain> Was pretty interesting for quick spamming channel's.
[03:22] <dwidmann> can probably do that with xbindkeys
[03:22] <Xain> But was still quite pointless.
[03:22] <jhutchins_lt> you of cours can define your keyboard
[03:22] <Xain> I wouldn't ply with xbindkey's. : /
[03:22] <draik_> dwidmann: I'd rather have something new every time
[03:23] <Xain> I tried editting that thing so many time's i actually had to replace my keyboard on my laptop due to a fist that flew out of nowhere knocking it in.
[03:24] <dwidmann> did you use the gui or configure it by hand?, Xain?
[03:24] <Xain> Configured it by hand using an EXT3 extension in a different OS.
[03:25] <Xain> You cannot adjust it manually in a complete manner by using the GUI.
[03:25] <Xain> I've even tried to manually edit it while in Kubuntu... No luck there as well.
[03:26] <Xain> I just wanted to disable the Meta and Alt key's in general system-wide.....
[03:27] <Xain> But let's see.
[03:27] <dwidmann> draik_: I know it's my own personal volition ... but here's my approach to creating a very strong password: start off with something simple, ie: a word, a phrase, an acronym or two, an equation, or whatnot, now, to make it something secure ... make sure it's mixed case, maybe sub in some numbers for letters (make it 1337), purposely misspell it, add in random garbage in the midst, and/or add random junk onto the beginning and/or end. Not all of that
[03:27] <dwidmann> of course ... but the more you do the harder a password it will be to crack.
[03:27] <Xain> Haha.
[03:28] <Xain> Just make the pass a bunch of asterisk's.
[03:28] <Xain> *******
[03:28] <dwidmann> that's funny, but that's no more secure than using "password" for a password
[03:28] <Xain> Which i do alot.
[03:29] <Xain> But i have no worries about hacker's...
[03:29] <Xain> Sub7 was kind of an interesting piece for me...
[03:29] <Xain> Taught me many a little thing's about junk that you shouldn't know.....
[03:29] <dwidmann> Of course, password strength increases exponentially with length too ...
[03:29] <dwidmann> sub7? what's that?
[03:30] <Xain> A program used for hacking.
[03:30] <Xain> Don't look it up.
[03:30] <Xain> Lol.
[03:30] <dwidmann> hmm, google says "backdoor program for causing mischief"
[03:30] <draik_> I recall sub7 from YEARS ago, back in the days of AOL/dial-up
[03:30] <Xain> Lmfao.
[03:30] <draik_> <.<
[03:30] <draik_> >.>
[03:30] <Xain> It causes alot of problem's if you use it the wrong way.
[03:31] <Xain> It's what was used to crash AOL in Oklahoma yes.
[03:31] <draik_> I mean, "in the days of TESTING AOL and other dial-up connections"
[03:31] <Xain> Net Zero. xD
[03:31] <draik_> Ha
[03:31] <Xain> FREE!
[03:31] <draik_> Hellraiser was good for me
[03:31] <Xain> Other companies as well.
[03:31] <Xain> I used one that was in Australia.
[03:32] <Xain> It covered your phone bill for the connection plus the ISP, haha.
[03:32] <draik_> Sub7 will be #1, but I liked Hellraiser's execution
[03:32] <Xain> That was back when i had an old mac 6500.
[03:32] <draik_> I had that back in 98/99 with 98SE
[03:33] <Xain> You DO know what Sub7 and all other file transfer kit's aspired to right?
[03:33] <Xain> Bit torrent's.
[03:33] <Xain> That is what Sub7 was greatly known for.
[03:34] <draik_> Xain: We're going to be taken to off-topic. Let's just go there now.
[03:34] <draik_> !off-topic
[03:34] <Xain> Ah.
[03:34] <DarkTan> so, any idea why konquer cant display photobucket or why fiirefox refuses to see my picture?
[03:36] <draik_> Actually, I've been out deep-sea fishing today and got back not too long ago. I'm burned out. Thought I might be able for find a script/command to do what I'm requesting.
[03:36] <draik_> I'll be 'online' for now, but AFK
[03:44] <DarkTan> hmm....must be my camera, photobucket does like 8mp pics appearently
[04:09] <Xain> Anyone know anything about JACK audio?
[04:10] <Xain> Or maye if there is a channel i could use to talk to nothing but music junkies?
[04:22] <Xain> !G++
[04:22] <Xain> !packages
[04:23] <Xain> Ok, this suck's...
[04:24] <Xain> How do i get G++ and C++?
[04:36] <kage_> how do i install the hotmail addon in thunderbird everything ive read is uber confusing
[04:37] <kubuntu_> alllooo
[04:37] <kage_> how do i install the hotmail addon in thunderbird everything ive read is uber confusing?
[04:37] <kubuntu_> how to change  virtual dekstop
[04:38] <kubuntu_> any body please
[04:38] <kage_> what do u want to change in virtual desktop
[04:39] <kubuntu_> i cant change my dekstop become 4 layer
[04:40] <kage_> i dont know that much sorry mte
[04:40] <kubuntu_> before that i was install compiz plugin
[04:40] <kage_> mate*
[04:40] <kage_> than run the compiz manager utility
[04:40] <kubuntu_> owh...
[04:40] <kage_> from that its pretty explainitory
[04:40] <kubuntu_> hhhmmm
[04:40] <kage_> if u dont have it u need to install it
[04:41] <kubuntu_> hhmhm
[04:41] <kage_> from there it is pretty easy
[04:42] <kubuntu_> now i must setting in compiz
[04:43] <kubuntu_> ??
[04:43] <kage_> yes
[04:44] <kubuntu_> hhhmm
[04:44] <kage_> ya
[04:44] <kubuntu_> i understand
[04:44] <kubuntu_> tq ...
[04:44] <kage_> ?
[04:44] <kage_> but brb i need a smoke
[04:44] <kubuntu_> do u have tutorial site??
[04:45] <rgarcia> guys, how do i extract a zip file from terminal?? using ark?
[04:46] <rgarcia> ???
[04:48] <rgarcia> anybody?
[04:48] <Xain> Oh, sorry.
[04:48] <Xain> Was afk. xD
[04:49] <Xain> To extract a file using ark.
[04:49] <Xain> Right click on the file at the top of the list in the ark screen and click extract. Then it's your choice of destination.
[04:50] <Xain> I usually choose desktop.
[04:50] <rgarcia> right..but if i wantto do it from my terminal, is it possible?
[04:50] <Xain> It may give you an error saying it could not extract the file's, just click "OK" or whatever it bring's up.
[04:51] <Xain> I'm really not sure about the terminal man.
[04:51] <carpii__> just use unzip, theres no need to use ark from terminal
[04:51] <Xain> TBH, i wish they had a winrar for Linux.
[04:51] <rgarcia> mmm...understood
[04:51] <carpii__> theres an unrar too
[04:51] <Xain> Like a Nixrar. xD
[04:51] <Xain> o.o
[04:51] <Xain> Really?
[04:51] <Xain> Where would i get it?
[04:51] <rgarcia> unzip File.zip to ???
[04:52] <Xain> Choose your directory as yoru desktop.
[04:52] <Xain> Would probably make it easier on you.
[04:52] <carpii__> sudo apt-get install unrar
[04:53] <Xain> carpii__: Will it work the same way as winrar?
[04:53] <carpii__> well its a command line tool
[04:53] <Xain> If it is the same way as ark, then i will jst stick with ark.
[04:53] <kage_> Kubuntu_ no i dont
[04:53] <Xain> Screw that, i'll stick with ark, haha.
[04:53] <kage_> how do i install the hotmail addon in thunderbird everything ive read is uber confusing?
[04:54] <Xain> I'm about to install JACK audio. Wish me luck. o.o
[04:56] <Xain> O.O
[04:56] <Xain> Ok, now i don't know wtf to do, haha.
[04:57] <kage_> xain whats the problem with the jack
[04:57] <Xain> If i could just atleast get JACK audio working i would be happy.
[04:57] <Xain> I just compiled and installed it.
[04:57] <tweakedeh> Good Dvd backup tool?
[04:57] <Xain> It is in usr/local/bin.
[04:57] <Xain> How do i use it now?
[04:57] <Xain> Just get a program that uses it as a base system?
[04:58] <Xain> Like creox?
[05:00] <kage_> i beleve so
[05:01] <Xain> Ok, let me put it this way.
[05:01] <Xain> Is JACK audio just a base set of file's used to support software to make audio files?
[05:01] <Xain> Like say....
[05:02] <Xain> Jack audio = Driver's,   Creox = Software that need's driver's to run it.
[05:02] <kage_> yes
[05:02] <Xain> Ok, sweet. xD
[05:02] <Xain> Now were gettin somewhere.
[05:02] <Xain> Hell yeah.
[05:02] <Xain> Thank's man.
[05:02] <kage_> maybe u can help me
[05:02] <Xain> Sure.
[05:02] <kage_> i have thunderbird but fails at hotmail u know of a way to make it work
[05:03] <Xain> Hmm...
[05:03] <Xain> What do you mean as in "Fail"?
[05:03] <Xain> As in sending an outgoing package?
[05:03] <kage_> like i cant use hotmail with thunderbird
[05:04] <kage_> i had it with windows but its a whole different process
[05:05] <Xain> Well, by what i have heard before you cannot use. Netscape, Gmail, or Hotmail with Thunderbird.
[05:05] <ForgeAus> I don't get it why does fink (Macintosh debian subsystem kinda thingy) categorize mc in Gnome?
[05:05] <Xain> But i have no clue as to my own personal experiences.
[05:06] <Xain> I use Firefox.
[05:06] <kage_> oh
[05:06] <Xain> I have alway's used as you can say. XP. For the past few year's or so.
[05:06] <Xain> I am actually new to Linux.
[05:07] <Xain> But i am up for learning anything new.
[05:07] <kage_> me too :P well kubuntu anyway
[05:07] <Xain> Or helping other's out.
[05:07] <Xain> Ahha.
[05:07] <kage_> ya i help with my experiances but thats about all i can do :(
[05:07] <Xain> Same here.
[05:07] <Xain> I started on Ubuntu Gnome 8.04.
[05:07] <kage_> ya same
[05:07] <kage_> cuz mint is run all fucked up
[05:07] <kage_> and redhat was still classic kde
[05:08] <Xain> I have tried the version's. Kubuntu 8.04, 8.10, and 9.04.
[05:08] <Xain> I recommend Kubuntu 8.04.
[05:08] <kage_> i think i have 9.04
[05:08] <Xain> Sad to say.
[05:08] <kage_> lol
[05:08] <Xain> I have had too many problem's with 9.04. : /
[05:09] <kage_> ya but i dont mind it it does what i want it to most of th etime
[05:12] <Xain> Woohoo, can't even get Creox to load.....
[05:12] <Xain> I'll mess with it when i get back....
[05:12] <kage_> lol
[05:12] <Xain> Be back in 20 minute's. : /
[05:13] <jason_froebe> I've lad less issues with 9.04 then with any other kubuntu version I've tried so far
[05:13] <jason_froebe> s/lad/had/
[05:14] <kage_> maybe u can answer my question
[05:14] <kage_> maybe u can answer my question
[05:14] <kage_> how do i install the hotmail addon in thunderbird everything ive read is uber confusing
[05:14] <kage_> sorry for double post
[05:17] <jason_froebe> for hotmail... dunno to be honest
[05:17] <kage_> its webmail essentially
[05:17] <jason_froebe> I use Yahoo smtp/pop and Google imap
[05:19] <kage_> ah
[05:21] <kage_> lol this is angering i cant fix my emails :(
[05:28] <BentFranklin> Anyone know how to make an ftp mget do subdirs recursively?
[05:41] <gkffcks> Hi all does anyone know where kde's template folder is? I'm referring to the folder which keeps that data that is used in the new dialogue in the right click menu. Gnome keeps a folder called Templates in the user's home dir, and for that matter so does windows, but kde doesn't follow this rule does anyone know where kde keeps the equivalent?
[06:08] <p_quarles> as far as I can tell, I have replaced every instance of start-here-kde.png with a custom icon, but the launcher plasmoid still shows the default button
[06:08] <p_quarles> since I'm obviously missing something, maybe someone can shed some light on this?
[06:16] <dsmith_> Question: how hard is it to add in a new KDM (kde4) alongside kde3.5?
[06:16] <dsmith_> and...is it easily removable?
[06:25] <p_quarles> dsmith_: if you're running 8.04, it's not difficult to add, but you're talking about a pretty outdated (at this point) version of KDE4
[06:25] <dsmith_> hmmmmmmmmm
[06:25] <dsmith_> I was wondering about that
[06:26] <p_quarles> dsmith_: there might be a newer version in backports, but I haven't checked
[06:26] <tsimpson> !info kdm-kde4 intrepid-backports
[06:27] <Xain> !meatspin
[06:28] <dsmith_> oh well
[06:28] <Xain> It's probably good that you don't.
[06:28] <p_quarles> tsimpson: I don't think he actually meant kdm; and I'm pretty sure we're talking about hardy
[06:28] <dsmith_> well I was thinkning about running alongside kde3
[06:28] <dsmith_> but lets forget that
[06:29] <tsimpson> dsmith_: the kde4 version isn't needed anyway
[06:29] <tsimpson> and sucks badly in hardy
[06:31] <tsimpson> but there is KDE 4.1.2 (and kdm-kde4) in the kubuntu-members-kde4 PPA for hardy
[06:33]  * dsmith_ fires up his VM instead :P
[06:33] <dsmith_> safer that way
[06:33] <tsimpson> it's really not worth getting it though, you can run KDE4 fine without it
[06:34] <tsimpson> I think it's the kubuntu-desktop-kde4 metapackage you'll want
[06:36] <pkt> hi, in intrepid, for some reason my plasmoids have become unmovable
[06:36] <pkt> (i.e., no handles appear on hover any more)
[06:36] <pkt> Is this a known problem ?
[06:37] <aga> pkt wouldnt they be locked?
[06:37] <dsmith_> tsimpson: thx
[06:37] <pkt> aga: oh, thanks that was it :)
[06:37] <ScottG> Could someone help me get KDE working? I've been wanting to try it out and I did a bit a while ago but a month ago when I tried to try it out again it just froze up when it was starting up.
[06:37] <aga> :) pkt
[06:38] <pkt> sorry for stupidity :)
[06:38] <bruce> I have a clie palm-pilot. I installed j-pilot but it does not download the pictures. Is there a way to download the pictures from my palm?
[06:38] <aga> noooo pkt no stupidity :) those things happen really :)
[06:39] <aga> ScottG:  i assume you have gnome installed as well?
[06:42] <bruce> gnome?
[06:43] <pkt> hehe, thanks again aga :)
[06:43] <aga> no problem ;)
[06:47] <ScottG> aga: Sorry just ran into some problems. Was trying to start up a virtual terminal and get irssi up but my computer likes to freeze up and lose keyboard conectivity when im not in X or something
[06:47] <ScottG> aga: Yea i'm on ubuntu with gnome
[06:48] <ScottG> aga: Lets see if i can get into the virtual terminal this time and get on irssi and then ill try to start up KDE
[06:49] <aga> ScottG: does kde simply not start?
[06:50] <ScottG> aga: ok hi im in the virtual terminal. I'll start up KDE and see what happens
[06:50] <ScottG> aga: I believe it gets past the little startup screen then freezes
[06:51] <aga> hmm
[06:51] <aga> if it loads let's try something
[06:51] <aga> move the .kde folder and try to load again kde
[06:51] <aga> kde will create again the .kde folder with defaults
[06:52] <ScottG> I doubt it fixed itself. Ever since i deleted my ridiculously configurated compiz config things haven't been fixing themselves like they used to
[06:52] <ScottG> aga: starting now...
[06:53] <aga> no, what i am suggesting is to move or rename the .kde folder in your home partition to .kdedefaults for example, then try to boot kde
[06:53] <aga> that will make KDE to recreate the folder, based on defaults, and might solve the problem
[06:54] <ScottG> yikes
[06:54] <ScottG> looks like i have a lot of startup apps.
[06:54] <aga> just try moving the folder... then you can go moving stuff to the newly created .kde folder slowly ;d
[06:57] <ScottG> aga: Well, it looks like it works
[06:57] <ScottG> Thats good news.
[06:57] <ScottG> This computer is screaming 'reformat me' though
[06:57] <aga> w00t?
[06:57] <ScottG> I think I will when I hopefully get gentoo this summer
[06:58] <chronic> why arent all the config apps integrated into control panel?
[06:58] <aga> i just installed it, just need to edit grub... maybe in the weekend
[06:58] <ScottG> Ever since I deleted my compiz config (Which was my life) this laptop has felt dirty
[06:59] <ScottG> Maybe now that I am more knowledgable I can get things more organized
[06:59] <aga> anyway ScottG moving the kde folder is the quickest and fastest solution in this cases... at least you will know if there is something wrong in the configuration or the problem goes further...minus is that you will need to resetup most of things
[06:59] <aga> heheheh well ScottG it's always about try-mistake-fix :D
[06:59] <ScottG> ok thanks
[06:59] <ScottG> aga: Don't know what happened but thats cool that its working now.
[07:00] <aga> hmm see ScottG i will try to explane it more or less
[07:00] <ScottG> Its kinda a mess though. I don't know why these programs are auto starting and the desktop layout is all screwy
[07:00] <aga> the folder we moved, .kde is where all settings in kde are stored. If you kde boots, then you know its a kde setting (whatever) what'scausing it to freeze. Then when you move the folder, kde creates a new one,based on defaults
[07:01] <aga> hmmmm which programs???
[07:01] <ScottG> aga: Oh lol, I didn't move a folder
[07:01] <aga> so what did you do to make it work then?
[07:01] <ScottG> I just started it up and wham, another problem fixed by itself that I wish I knew wtf happened
[07:01] <aga> hahahaha
[07:01] <ScottG> nothing i just tried starting it up again
[07:01] <aga> well, anyway, if you have any problem just rename .kde to .kde-backup i.e and start kde
[07:02] <ScottG> I mean I can't help but be happy my problem is fixed but I hate when this happens and I don't know what they problem was
[07:02] <aga> hmm for sure there's a file with a log ScottG
[07:02] <aga> give me a second i will try to find out which one is it
[07:04] <ScottG> Well I guess since compiz screwed me up on gnome, maybe ill just try living on kde for the next month
[07:04] <aga> i really like KDE over gnome... maybe you should give it a try
[07:05] <aga> anyway you mentioned you are having a lot of apps on startup?? like which ones?
[07:05] <ScottG> aga: Yea thats why I got it. I originally thought I would like kde better but I found the settings to kinda be all over the place and not really intuative and gnome seemed just as customizable if not more
[07:05] <ScottG> But I still don't think I ever spent enough time on KDE
[07:06] <ScottG> aga: Probably all the ones that I used ti have run on startup but then stopped cuz i decided i didn't want them to all start
[07:07] <ScottG> aga: BAck on gnome I was actually going to try to find what config sessions uses to see how gnome auto starts stuff
[07:07] <ScottG> I had unchecked everything i had set to start.
[07:07] <aga> uffff i know little of kde and nothing at all of gnome
[07:08] <ScottG> Ok well how does kde autostart stuff?
[07:08] <aga> no idea :) i only know that applications which are not closed when you log out will autostart in your next session
[07:09] <ScottG> There are some things I can think of that I wouldn't mind starting up right a way, the rest I would like to delay. I think I know how to do this with a script pretty easily so thats why I kinda want to do it that way and not have the DE do it since it starts them all at once
[07:10] <ScottG> aga: That option didn't seem to work in gnome. I think there was a bug for that version
[07:10] <aga> the thing is that i do not like autostarting applications
[07:11] <aga> never use them for anything... whenever i have some apps which i use often, i do not close them when i exit kde and next time tadah! there they are
[07:11] <ScottG> But anyways, yea I want maybe like pidgin to start up right away. Then 15 seconds later ill start up my mail client, and then my irc client, etc
[07:11] <ScottG> aga: Yea, I actually wanted to solve all startup problems with hibernate, but hibernate has proven to be my biggest problem since I got linux
[07:12] <ScottG> aga: I think if I reinstalled i would work, it used to work before but i changed partitions to make it larger (I have 4 gigs of RAM and onkly had 1.5 swap)
[07:13] <ScottG> I have tried a ton of things since then and nothing works.
[07:13] <aga> to hibernate?
[07:13] <ScottG> yea
[07:13] <aga> i have never managed to get hibernate working properly on linux, nor in debian nor in ubuntu nor in kubuntu now.. try to find out why it might not be working
[07:14] <ScottG> gnomes built in hibernate seems to hibernate normally but then when it starts up its just like a normal reboot
[07:14] <aga> that's another thing i never used much in the computer so again, i do not really know how to fix it
[07:14] <ScottG> and swusps or w/e gets half way to hibernate and then brings me back to my GUI
[07:14] <aga> did you check in the forums?
[07:15] <ScottG> aga: No, I guess I could. I'm just gonna ride this out until the summer I think
[07:16] <aga> hehe that's up to you... i know the feeling, i change distros every second month
[07:17] <ScottG> wo, desktop sides and middle clicking is working in kde
[07:17] <ScottG> That was a big problem with compiz that fixed itself
[07:18] <aga> maybe it's just a kde feature... again i am not very fond of desktop effects :p
[07:18] <ScottG> aga: The thing I most like about compiz is window placement and window rules.
[07:18] <ScottG> aga: And the widget layer that I put my terminal in
[07:19] <ScottG> I am a very heavy multi tasker, so I have 9 workspaces of 3x3 and having certain programs open on certain desktops in the right spot and being the right size
[07:20] <aga> 9 desktops? and you remember where is everything??
[07:21] <ScottG> aga: Yea, thats where compiz comes in, I put firefox in the same workspace all the time, my chat windows in the center (since I use it the most), my mail and calendar in another, etc
[07:21] <aga> ohmie
[07:22] <ScottG> If I was able to hibernate I wouldn't need to worry so much about all of that since I would rarely be opening programs
[07:22] <aga> yeah now i get the point
[07:22] <ScottG> aga: I use a combination of expo and the desktop wall.
[07:22] <aga> anyway, for me it would be a mess to remember where everything is... anyway i think you can use compiz on kde
[07:23] <aga> or maybe you can try to find out more on kwin's effects
[07:23] <ScottG> expo basically just lets me zoom out to see all of my workspaces. Works best for moving windows around between workspaces and such.
[07:24] <ScottG> aga: Yea, compiz does have some problems. Makes Google Earth unusable because it flickers. And a lot of other things are slightly laggy
[07:24] <aga> aha
[07:25] <aga> i use kwin but as i said it is not very much used... just defaults... i am not very fond of desktop effects as i said... end up being tired of it
[07:25] <aga> just so that you know, i just have a workspace :P
[07:25] <ScottG> aga: really, only 1?
[07:25] <aga> jup :)
[07:25] <aga> just one
[07:26] <aga> i mean, there are 2, but i never use the second :p
[07:26] <ScottG> aga: Man, i customize the crap out of everything. Thats why im so lost since i messed up my very very customized compiz config
[07:26] <aga> hehehe i customize myself...but i like to have everything on the same place :p
[07:27] <ScottG> I have tons of different ways to do things. I can change windows by using the ring switcher. Which I can either flip through all my windows or just my current windows, or I can fly directly to a workspaces the most likely just has that one window maximised, or I can move to it with the arrow keys and a keyboard combination
[07:28] <aga> i could not find my way there ScottG :)
[07:28] <ScottG> I can also send windows to adjacent workspaces or specific ones. I can either throw them there or move with them. Or i can drag them around expo.
[07:28] <aga> but you may find the grind feature interesting... i think the name is grid not sure
[07:28] <ScottG> Haha yea, I have acheived my goal if someone sits down on my computer and cant do a single damn thing
[07:29] <aga> hahahaha
[07:29] <quantum> hi there
[07:29] <aga> morning quantum
[07:29] <quantum> yesterday I installed kde 4.1 from synaptic in ubuntu 8.10 ............after installation I found that dolphin , konqueror and konsole where not there ? why ?
[07:29] <ScottG> aga: But let me tell you, when I get going all this customizing really pays off with how fluidly I can move around.
[07:29] <ScottG> haha morning, well i suppose it is morning.
[07:29] <aga> 8.30am here ScottG :D
[07:29] <ScottG> But its the time in the morning where its time to go to bed :)
[07:30] <aga> yeah most of people around here is "in the other side"
[07:30] <aga> :p
[07:30] <quantum> dont the compiz effects work in kde ?
[07:30] <ScottG> 2:30 here, thanks for the help. Not sure I'm gonna stick with KDE for now but i Definitely am going to make it my default when I get gentoo in a month so ill see you then aga :)
[07:31] <ScottG> night
[07:31] <aga> night ScottG :) sleep well
[07:36] <aga> they should quantum as long as you use the compiz effects
[07:37] <aga> menu - system settings - default applications - window manager
[07:37] <aga> check if you have compiz selected there
[08:14] <darkdeathboyz> hi
[08:15] <darkdeathboyz> anyone here
[08:16] <baal> is there a way to roll back to a previous version of firefox?
[08:17] <baal> mine sucks
[08:17] <baal> youtube is always skippy after i have firfox running for a while
[08:17] <baal> running intrepid
[08:18] <baal> i thought each succesive version of any program is supposed to be better then the previous.  this is the worst implementatino of fire fox ever!
[08:18] <baal> implementation*
[08:18] <baal> what do i have to type to make it work ?
[08:41] <epsilorn> hallo all! I've suddenly I've go a problem with my kde... the splashscreen complains it doesn't found background.jpg and then desktop starts at 640x480
[08:41] <epsilorn> but everything was working correctly
[08:41] <epsilorn> before
[08:42] <epsilorn> some ideas?
[08:46] <A-beast> epsilorn: Have you tried to change the screen resolution back to what it was?
[09:03] <epsilorn> A-beast: yes it cahnge normally no problem
[09:03] <epsilorn> but when i restart the computer the problem is the same
[09:07] <A-beast> epsilorn: do you use default splash screen image? what version of KDE are you using.
[09:10] <epsilorn> A-beast: I tried to change spalsh image but the problem is the same, i'm usin kde 3 with kubuntu 8.10
[09:10] <epsilorn> A-beast: The fact is that everything was working correctly and then today don't know way started acting this way
[09:11] <jeffryj__> epsilorn, what problem are you having?  I'm also running 8.10 with kde 3
[09:11] <jeffryj__> epsilorn, when I boot up my keyboard and mouse are frozen.. it's... "interesting" :)
[09:12] <epsilorn> jeffryj_: the problem started yesterday, usually I'm in automatico login mode, so the it's start automatically with splashscreen
[09:13] <epsilorn> jeffryj_: usually worked right, but yesterday it started at 640x480
[09:13] <epsilorn> jeffryj_: complaining there is no background.jpg in themes folder
[09:13] <epsilorn> and then desktopo started in 640x480
[09:13] <calamari> hmm weird
[09:14] <A-beast> epsilorn: what resolution does "cat /etc/usplash.conf" show? Is there right resolution?
[09:14] <epsilorn> i'll check
[09:14] <epsilorn> it says 1024x768
[09:15] <epsilorn> that's normal, but my problem is not the usplash, that works good
[09:15] <A-beast> ok
[09:15] <epsilorn> it's the spalsh after the login
[09:15] <epsilorn> the one with small icons
[09:19] <epsilorn> dou you think i should reinstall kde?
[09:22] <calamari> epsilorn, I just did a quick searchy for background.jpg
[09:22] <calamari> /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/Debian/background.jpg  	 kde-kdm-themes
[09:22] <calamari> /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/Krystal/background.jpg 	kde-kdm-themes
[09:22] <calamari> that's in 8.10... in 8.04, those are:
[09:23] <calamari> actually nm, I must have misread.. same package either way
[09:23] <calamari> do you have that package installed?
[09:23] <epsilorn> calamari: i'll check
[09:25] <epsilorn> calamari: in /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes i've got circles kubuntu and kubuntu-no-userlist
[09:25] <calamari> do you have the kde-kdm-themes package installed?
[09:26] <epsilorn> calamari: no it's not installed ... wierd i don't remember uninstalling it
[09:26] <calamari> if not, try installing it, might have to force version to the hardy one
[09:27] <epsilorn> calamari: installing
[09:28] <epsilorn> calamari: ok now i've got the themes installed, should I restart, or i have before to cahnge it
[09:29] <calamari> epsilorn, btw somehow, I suspect that even if that fixes the error message it won't fix your screen resolution problem
[09:29] <calamari> epsilorn, yeah.. either restart, or log out and from a console, run sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[09:30] <epsilorn> calamari: the strange thing is that if I try it in system setting, the splash screen works!
[09:30] <calamari> lol
[09:31] <calamari> well, if I restart kdm, my mouse and keyboard start working.. go figure
[09:31] <Downing> Ehm... does anyone know how I could make the microphone work? Cause I wanna record some stuff but it doesn't seem to work.
[09:31] <epsilorn> ok I'll try restarting then i'll connect again here let's hear you again later, ant thanks for the time being
[09:31] <calamari> epsilorn, guess that's what happens when we are stuck in the past hehe
[09:32] <epsilorn> calamari: eheh, but i've got an ati i'm not sure i want to change to kde 4 until i know it works correctly
[09:32] <calamari> been thinking of switching to xfce
[09:32] <calamari> I hear 2.4 (?) is pretty nice
[09:33] <epsilorn> calamari: don't know xfce always seemed a bit poor to me
[09:36] <epsilorn> calamari: ok i'm here again! nothing changed
[09:38] <epsilorn> I've also nticed that in the login screen i cannot see the user icons, like the window is not the correct size
[09:38] <epsilorn> i'm going mad
[09:39] <epsilorn> probably i'll uninstall kde and reinstall it from gdm
[09:39] <epsilorn> A question: if I uninstall kde do also I loose all kde programs?
[09:41] <calamari> epsilorn, good luck! I'm going to bed.. I've never tried to reinstall kde
[09:52] <victim> what is `arch`  in this bash script?     if [ `arch` != "x86_64" ] && (echo $PLATFORMS | grep amd64 &>/dev/null); then
[09:52] <victim> how do I install it?
[09:54] <Mamarok> victim: arch = architecture
[10:50] <graham> hello !!
[10:52] <yoritomo> hello all
[10:52] <graham> new to kubuntu ... installed fine but yesterday my nice interface (as on the web site screen cast) changed to an old ubuntu8.1 something (with a strip at the top , no single clicking  and no desktop effects ... any ideas ?
[10:54] <yoritomo> graham, looks like a video driver problem
[10:54] <yoritomo> can you detail more please ?
[10:55] <graham> graphics seems fine - i installed the nvidea drivers and all was good
[10:56] <yoritomo> when it is no windows animations, usually it mean it is using generic drivers
[10:57] <graham> ok, but that does not explain why at installation (with generic drives) I had the nice screen
[10:57] <yoritomo> after installing the driver are you sure you rebooted the computer it is absolutely necessary
[10:57] <graham> yes
[10:57] <yoritomo> a simple startx would not works
[10:58] <graham> I dont use startx... its dual boot and it has booted several times since
[10:58] <victim> graham:  have you logged in as gnome instead of kde?
[10:59] <graham> gnome ... new to Kubuntu (linux in general).... how do I switch back
[11:00] <victim> at the log in screen there should be a menu with some choices
[11:00] <victim> Kubuntu uses KDE
[11:00] <graham> I dont have a login screen - its dual boot and just runs the sequence. Is there a scrip file I can edit ?
[11:02] <victim> maybe you have some type of auto login enabled, that is beyond my knowledge
[11:02] <yoritomo> anyway that is a strange problem
[11:03] <yoritomo> how comes no login screen, i wonder
[11:03] <graham> just the way it installed I guess
[11:28] <jbb> hi, i'm using kde4 with firefox, and tab looks all mess up, any way to have a better rendering ?
[11:30] <Tarzan^> jbb:  use google broweser
[11:30] <Tarzan^> jbb:  or rather opera
[11:31] <graham> thanks all (Yoritomo et al) ... finally found how to get the options ... so back in KDE
[11:31] <jbb> Tarzan : nice troll, but i want firefox :D i'm used to it, it has the extension i want
[11:41] <yoritomo> grahamjbb what is the problem on your installation of firefox?
[11:41] <yoritomo> i know what you mean, looks like the pages not well refreshed, right ?
[11:42] <yoritomo> jbb sorry
[11:50] <yoritomo> big problem upgrading to 9.04, it says when downloading it is due to a connection problem, but not, because each time on same place it is going down
[11:51] <yoritomo> it happens with canonical
[11:54] <yoritomo> Packages.bz2 Sources.bz2 incoherent checksum
[11:55] <yoritomo> E: some index files have be ignored or older ones have been used instead
[11:56] <yoritomo> any admins know if it has servers problems actually ?
[11:57] <bazhang> yoritomo, this is for jaunty?
[11:57] <bazhang> #ubuntu+1 for that please yoritomo
[12:03] <yoritomo> ho ok thanks
[12:07] <mike> need help can not play AVI files with kaffeine, new build PC.
[12:07] <Dillizar> mike
[12:07] <Dillizar> did you install the xine drivers
[12:07] <Guest11202> no how do I do that
[12:08] <Dillizar> well when you played the video
[12:08] <Guest11202> in adept manager shows all installed for xine
[12:08] <Idhan> Guest11202: in the konsole write: sudo aptitude install w32codecs
[12:08] <Dillizar> did you had blabla install
[12:08] <Dillizar> or do that :)
[12:09] <bcoelho2000> hi everyone
[12:09] <bcoelho2000> ive installed kubuntu8.10
[12:09] <Dillizar> bcoelho2000 you have named your kubuntu root
[12:09] <Dillizar> :D
[12:09] <bcoelho2000> but had a problem with my ati
[12:09] <wizkoder> hy everybody
[12:10] <Dillizar> bcoelho2000
[12:10] <Dillizar> did you install the drivers
[12:10] <bcoelho2000> but solved by installing a custom driver by Turmod volde
[12:10] <Dillizar> !hi | wizkoder
[12:10] <Dillizar> :P
[12:10] <bcoelho2000> the installation send me to the shel
[12:10] <bcoelho2000> shell
[12:11] <wizkoder> when alt+f2 is not working, what could be wrong?
[12:11] <bcoelho2000> but ive started the X server using ->  startx
[12:11] <bcoelho2000> but now im running via live cd
[12:11] <bcoelho2000> how do i finish my kubuntu8.10 installation
[12:11] <bcoelho2000> i have the cd in the drive
[12:12] <Dillizar> bcoelho2000
[12:12] <bcoelho2000> yes
[12:12] <Dillizar> you had to choose
[12:12] <Dillizar> restart or continue
[12:12] <Guest11202> sudo aptitude install w32codecs did not fix issue, the avi plays in less then 1 minute, with no Pic
[12:12] <Dillizar> with the live cd
[12:12] <bcoelho2000> ive chosen the install option
[12:12] <bcoelho2000> continue?
[12:12] <Dillizar> bcoelho2000 pls finish with the live cd then come here gain
[12:12] <quassel208> lol why a jaunty kde3 remix ?
[12:13] <Dillizar> quassel208??
[12:13] <quassel208> see kubuntu.org
[12:13] <quassel208> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty
[12:14] <Dillizar> quassel208 yeah thats good
[12:14] <Dillizar> not bad at all
[12:14] <Dillizar> cuz i still use 3.5.10
[12:14] <etfb> I'm having trouble with suspend/resume in Hardy.  I've upgraded my ATI Radeon HD 3650 video driver to the absolute latest and that had zero effect.  What else can I try?
[12:15] <quassel208> lol why is that good? they need to use there time on kde4
[12:15] <Dillizar> quassel208 you will have to choose witch to download 3 or 4 kde as i read
[12:15] <Dillizar> :D
[12:16] <quassel208> I am running jaunty beta with kde4, I feel improvements at the graphic part :)
[12:17] <quassel208> Only there are regressions still, but further looks good
[12:17] <Dillizar> yeah
[12:17] <Dillizar> but unstabille
[12:17] <quassel208> hmm not really anymore
[12:17] <etfb> quassel208: I found Intrepid quite unusable, even with KDE 4.2.  Is Jaunty still missing essential features?
[12:17] <quassel208> It was kind of, but It feels stable now
[12:18] <quassel208> jaunty is better ofcourse at the kde4 part, only regressions :(
[12:18] <Dillizar> tooo fancy for me :P
[12:18] <quassel208> kde4.2 looks beautifull
[12:19] <Dillizar> FANCY
[12:19] <Dillizar> ;P
[12:19] <Dillizar> or in french keke
[12:19] <Dillizar> :D
[12:19] <Dillizar> and too heavy
[12:19] <quassel208> heavy? Lol i am running it on a atom 330
[12:20] <Dillizar> that is??
[12:20] <quassel208> cheap processor which uses only 8 watt
[12:21] <Dillizar> mhz??
[12:21] <quassel208> 2x 1600 2x virtual 1600
[12:22] <quassel208> cost with motherboard included only about 70 euro
[12:22] <Dillizar> quassel208 dual core???
[12:22] <quassel208> yes dual core
[12:22] <Dillizar> dude i ran 2.4 celeron L2 256 with 1giga ram
[12:23] <Dillizar> and its heavy for me
[12:23] <Dillizar> :D
[12:23] <quantum> how do add shortcuts to panels in kde 4.1 ?
[12:23] <quassel208> lol
[12:23] <quassel208> I have 2 gb ram
[12:23] <aar>  Hi, every time I plug in my external drive and kde auto-mounts it, a new folder is created  in the /media directory that is based on the drive's label, rather than simply mounting on the directory name that is already there (e.g. the drive label is foo, so when I plug it in it creates foo-1, then the next time it creates foo-2, and so on, rather than just mounting on foo). What's causing this behaviour?
[12:23] <Dillizar> :D
[12:23] <quassel208> max what I could put in that mini itx
[12:23] <quassel208> but I have to go
[12:23] <Dillizar> quassel208 hmm how did you said was the name of the cpu i will buy it :D
[12:24] <quassel208> Intel Atom 330 ( Its a mini itx mother board, so it comes with a motherboard, and fits max 2 gb memory )
[12:25] <quantum> hi there
[12:25] <quassel208> http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/D945GCLF2_atom_330/  there you have enough info
[12:25] <quantum> how do add a desktop shortcut of a menu entry in kde 4.1 ?
[12:30] <doudou> pupuce coucou
[12:39] <quantum> hi there
[12:39] <quantum> how to view system usage in kde 4.1 ?
[12:40] <bazhang> quantum, top in konsole
[12:40] <quantum> bazhang: gui ?
[12:41] <quantum> like in kde 3.5 ctrl-alt-del had it
[12:41] <bazhang> quantum, konsole is cli
[12:41] <bazhang> !info htop
[12:41] <bazhang> or install htop quantum
[12:42] <quantum> fine
[12:42] <quantum> bazhang: can u tell me 1 thing ... yesterday I installed kde from synaptic in ubuntu 8.10 but many things like dolphin konqueror and konsole were not installed at all
[12:42] <quantum> why ?
[12:43] <bazhang> quantum, what was the command you used/package you installed?
[12:43] <quantum> went to synaptic select KDE and go
[12:43] <quantum> selected*
[12:43] <bazhang> quantum, aha; you want kubuntu-desktop for the full suite then
[12:43] <quantum> bazhang: hmm
[12:43] <quantum> 1 more thing
[12:44] <quantum> how do I add a desktop shortcut of entries in the menu ?
[12:44] <bazhang> quantum, you mean a firefox icon to desktop?
[12:44] <quantum> yes
[12:45] <quantum> and dolphin and konqueror and epiphany and opera and skype etc
[12:45] <bazhang> quantum, go to firefox in menu, then grab, and move to desktop then middle click mouse
[12:45] <quantum> bazhang: let me try
[12:46] <quantum> thats good
[12:46] <quantum> and ... this folder view widget is transparent ... how can I change its transparency
[12:46] <bazhang> quantum, ie to more transparent or less
[12:47] <quantum> les
[12:47] <quantum> less
[12:47] <quantum> no
[12:47] <quantum> I mean more
[12:47] <bazhang> haha
[12:47] <quantum> to make the wallpaper clearly visible
[12:47] <quantum> :D
[12:48] <bazhang> I remember setting that quantum, but cant recall how I did it; seems it was in the desktop effects section of system settings
[12:48] <eagles0513875> hey bazhang
[12:48] <bazhang> eagles0513875, hi
[12:48] <quantum> bazhang: I disabled desktop effects all together but still the transparency is there
[12:49] <quantum> bazhang: 1 more thing... this panel .. how do i add application shortcuts to it ?
[12:49] <bazhang> quantum, that is three more things since your last 1 more thing :)
[12:50] <quantum> bazhang: oh :D
[12:50] <yoritomo> bazhang do you know what's wrong in my update ?
[12:50] <yoritomo> do you need some logs?
[12:50] <quantum> actually after every 1 thing ... another 1 thing popping up
[12:51] <bazhang> quantum, you may want to re-enable desktop effects then set to less/more transparent, then disable altogether, as for the panel, I am still trying to figure that one out :)  some kde experts happen along now and again though so fear not your question will be answered (just not by me)
[12:51] <quantum> hmm
[12:51] <eagles0513875> bazhang: can i ask you a question in regards to patchign something
[12:51] <bazhang> eagles0513875, is that really an ontopic support question?
[12:52] <eagles0513875> ahh ok
[12:52] <eagles0513875> :(
[12:52] <bazhang> eagles0513875, ie apt-building your own distro etc?
[12:52] <eagles0513875> no
[12:52] <eagles0513875> patching qtscriptgenerator so i can use it to compile amarok from svn source
[12:52] <eagles0513875> the patch command im using from this how to keeps throwing me back an error and im guessing i might wanna try manually patch it
[12:53] <yoritomo> bazhang why don't you reply me anymore ?
[13:05] <bcoelho2000> how do i finish my kubuntu installation from konsole
[13:05] <bcoelho2000> i have the cd in the drive
[13:06] <bazhang> bcoelho2000, which version of kubuntu
[13:13] <bcoelho2000> 8.10
[13:13] <bcoelho2000> intrepid
[13:15] <bazhang> bcoelho2000, this is the live cd, the alternate cd or the minimal iso
[13:16] <bazhang> bcoelho2000, also, is this a fresh install or an upgrade of versions
[13:34] <bcoelho2000> its a fresh install
[13:34] <bcoelho2000> but failed to install the ati drivers
[13:34] <bcoelho2000> i've solved it
[13:34] <bcoelho2000> but when it failed it send me to the shell
[13:34] <bcoelho2000> after installing the new drivers
[13:34] <bcoelho2000> ive run> startx
[13:35] <bcoelho2000> and here i am
[13:35] <bcoelho2000> how do i finish my installation
[13:35] <bcoelho2000> :)
[13:35] <Dillizar> lol bcoelho2000
[13:35] <bcoelho2000> im browsing the cd contents right now
[13:35] <Dillizar> did you sudo apt-get upgrade
[13:35] <Dillizar> and then try to install them
[13:35] <bcoelho2000> yeah
[13:35] <bcoelho2000> the drivers are working fine
[13:36] <bcoelho2000> now
[13:36] <Dillizar> then ?
[13:36] <Dillizar> no restart
[13:36] <Dillizar> wait you are on a live cd
[13:36] <Dillizar> right
[13:37] <bcoelho2000> yep
[13:37] <bcoelho2000> i didnt restart
[13:37] <bcoelho2000> if i do i lose all my changes
[13:37] <bcoelho2000> :)
[13:38] <Dillizar> yes
[13:38] <Dillizar> restart dude
[13:38] <Dillizar> and stop with the live cd
[13:40] <bcoelho2000> but if i do that
[13:40] <bcoelho2000> the installation will fail
[13:40] <bcoelho2000> because of the ati drivers
[13:40] <bcoelho2000> XServer failed to start after 60 secs
[13:40] <bcoelho2000> and it will send me to the shell
[13:40] <twisted_g> hi everyone
[13:41] <Dillizar> bcoelho2000 no restart and you will just run on the card without drivers aka no effects
[13:41] <Dillizar> then just install the drivers and every thing will be ok
[13:45] <bcoelho2000> i thought so
[13:45] <bcoelho2000> but after the driver installation
[13:45] <bcoelho2000> if i restart the system
[13:45] <bcoelho2000> it will forget all my changes
[13:46] <bcoelho2000> the installation of kubuntu didn't ask me for partitions
[13:46] <bcoelho2000> usernames
[13:46] <bcoelho2000> etc
[13:46] <bcoelho2000> do you know how can i finish the installation_
[13:46] <Dillizar> bc you didnt installed the kubuntu
[13:47] <bcoelho2000> the installation failed when it tried to start xorg-xserver
[13:47] <bcoelho2000> XServer failed to start
[13:47] <diana_> hi all, can someone help me? installed kubuntu (8.10 intrepid) on my laptop, problem is my battery says 0% load, if i unplug AC my laptop will hibernate...
[13:47] <bcoelho2000> but I've solve this
[13:48] <bcoelho2000> i just want to continue the installation from the cd
[13:49] <Dillizar> bcoelho2000 start to install the kubuntu
[13:49] <Dillizar> its damn easy nex next next
[13:49] <Dillizar> \:D
[13:49] <bcoelho2000> ive installed kubuntu on other laptops
[13:50] <bcoelho2000> but in this toshiba the corruped drivers broke the installation
[13:50] <bcoelho2000> now that i've installed the correct drivers
[13:50] <bcoelho2000> i want to resume the installation
[13:50] <bcoelho2000> how?
[13:51] <Dillizar> start the instalisation again
[13:51] <bcoelho2000> how?
[13:51] <bcoelho2000> i have to remove and insert the cd again?
[13:52] <bcoelho2000> i cant remove the cd from the drive
[13:52] <bcoelho2000> how do i install kubuntu to disk from console?
[13:54] <Dillizar> bcoelho2000
[13:54] <bcoelho2000> yes
[13:54] <Dillizar> just click the installisation
[13:54] <Dillizar> again
[13:54] <Dillizar> dont remove
[13:54] <Dillizar> nothing
[13:54] <Dillizar> just
[13:54] <Dillizar> install
[13:59] <Dillizar> bcoelho2000 what are ay doing
[14:01] <bcoelho2000> i dont have any install icon
[14:01] <bcoelho2000> i can see the cd with dolphin
[14:01] <bcoelho2000> but if i restart all my changes will be lost
[14:01] <bcoelho2000> and the installation will fail again
[14:02] <bcoelho2000> because of the ati drivers
[14:06] <p-f> My laptop tends to suspend to ram *twice*: once when I ask it to and once again when I reopen it. Why?
[14:20] <Dillizar> damn
[14:20] <Dillizar> dunno why
[14:20] <Dillizar> but since 3 weeks or smt like that i cant open deb files
[14:20] <Dillizar> i must run them via terminal
[14:38] <cuznt> nvidia
[14:39] <menak> hi
[14:40] <menak> i just wanted to download kubuntu from http://www.ubuntu.com/syndicated/kubuntu-download but the location selection is corrupted... any alternatives?
[14:41] <menak> where do you download kubuntu from?
[14:41] <cuznt> !nvidia
[14:41] <menak> !kubuntu
[14:41] <menak> hmmm
[14:42]  * menak is a little bugged, how do you get kubuntu if you can't download it?
[14:43] <menak> so this is the "Official Kubuntu support"?
[14:43] <menak> aha
[14:43] <menak> help me :)
[14:43] <bazhang> menak, the torrent?
[14:43] <menak> hmm
[14:44] <bazhang> menak, or the http download
[14:44] <menak> bazhang: http download is corrupted on http://www.ubuntu.com/syndicated/kubuntu-download
[14:45] <menak> bazhang: but i'll try bittorrent
[14:45] <bazhang> menak, you mean the md5?
[14:45] <menak> bazhang: no, the location selection
[14:45] <bazhang> menak, you need a mirror closer to you?
[14:45] <menak> some syntax error in the web page coding
[14:46] <menak> bazhang: i need ANY mirror, take a look at the link i posted
[14:46]  * menak menak will try bittorrent
[14:46] <menak> bazhang: on the page i posted you cannot select the mirror due to a coding error
[14:47] <tsimpson> menak: http://releases.ubuntu.com
[14:48] <menak> tsimpson: thx
[14:48] <Xain> Good morning everyone.
[14:49] <tsimpson> menak: if you want a local mirror, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors
[14:49] <menak> Xain: hi
[14:49] <bazhang> menak, works for me
[14:50] <tsimpson> bazhang: did you click the "Please choose a location" list?
[14:50] <menak> bazhang: hmmm
[14:50] <bazhang> tsimpson, yes, and it re-directed to a mirror and prompted to save the iso
[14:52] <menak> bazhang: sorry, firefox 3 and konqueror will not show the location, i rather see "// if the name is &gt; 60 chars truncate it $name = strlen($row-&gt;name) &gt; 60 ? substr($row-&gt;name, 0, 57) . '...' : $row-&gt;name ;"
[14:52] <tsimpson> fails in both FF and konqueror for me
[14:52] <menak> some php crap
[14:52] <menak> tsimpson: yep
[14:52] <bazhang> menak, yep, I get that too, then it redirects properly when hitting download now
[14:53] <menak> bazhang: hahaha, man, that's dumb...
[14:53] <menak> not u, the download page
[14:53] <menak> :)
[14:53] <bazhang> menak, didnt complete as I have it though :)
[14:55] <menak> bazhang: true works for me as well. hey, maybe a note will due "Dear visitor, please click on download even though the page seems corrupted. This is a occupation for geeks while downloading. If u do not understand u
[14:55] <menak> r not a geek"
[14:55] <menak> :)
[14:55] <bazhang> menak, it does look scary for the uninitiated you are correct
[14:57] <menak> well, thanks to you bazhang and tsimpson!
[15:05] <kervel> hi, when i enter a wrong password in kpackagekit, it will allow me to dist-upgrade anyway
[15:05] <kervel> i do this: click update. it asks for password. i enter a wrong one. it says "no privileges". i click "ok". i click "update" again, and it just works
[15:08] <tsimpson> kervel: report a bug
[15:09] <kervel> ok ... i was just wondering if it was not a local configuration problem
[15:09] <kervel> as this one seems too obvious ..
[15:09] <tsimpson> they'll be able to figure that out if you report it
[15:11] <adrian_> olaaa
[15:21] <bcoelho2000> does anyone knows how to install kubuntu from a live cd instance
[15:22] <bazhang> bcoelho2000, sure; did you md5 the iso, then burn at low speed and do the disk integrity check?
[15:22] <bazhang> !md5 | bcoelho2000
[15:22] <bcoelho2000> yes
[15:22] <sourcemaker> !php5
[15:23] <sourcemaker> !php
[15:23] <bcoelho2000> I've run the cd
[15:23] <bcoelho2000> choose the Install to disk option
[15:24] <bcoelho2000> however the installation process found some ati drivers issue and couldnt start the XServer to finish the installation
[15:24] <bcoelho2000> and shows me the shell
[15:24] <bazhang> bcoelho2000, what errors? busybox?
[15:24] <bcoelho2000> however i-ve installed a custom drivers for ati
[15:24] <bcoelho2000> Couldnt start xserver in 60 secs
[15:24] <bazhang> bcoelho2000, custom? from where
[15:24] <bcoelho2000> but i-ve fixed this
[15:25] <bcoelho2000> from https://launchpad.net/~tormodvolden/+archive/ppa
[15:25] <bcoelho2000> its a know ati drivers issue that affects kubuntu 8.10
[15:26] <drostie> After the latest aptitude full-upgrade, whenever I start a GTK app under KDE, Xorg segfaults. where should I report that sort of bug?
[15:26] <bcoelho2000> ok. after i installed the new drivers i could start xserver using: startx
[15:26] <bcoelho2000> and here i am
[15:26] <bcoelho2000> but now i need to finish my kubuntu installation
[15:26] <bcoelho2000> but i don-t know how
[15:26] <bcoelho2000> if i restart the system i will lose all changes, including the custom drivers
[15:26] <bcoelho2000> .....
[15:27] <bcoelho2000> can you help bazhang?
[15:27] <bazhang> bcoelho2000, you are on the live cd then?
[15:27] <diana_> anyone can help me? have 9.04 jaunty installed on my HP dv6110 laptop, power management says battery charge @ 0%, so if i unplug AC
[15:27] <diana_> my laptop will hibernate??? any fix?
[15:27] <bazhang> diana_, #ubuntu+1 for jaunty support
[15:27] <bcoelho2000> i've executed: startx
[15:28] <bcoelho2000> to see if the new drivers work
[15:28] <bcoelho2000> and here i am
[15:28] <bcoelho2000> but i need to finish my kubunto installation
[15:28] <bcoelho2000> define partitions
[15:28] <bcoelho2000> usernames
[15:28] <bcoelho2000> etc
[15:28] <diana_> baz, i know, just had the same issue on 8.10 before update =)
[15:28] <bazhang> bcoelho2000, so no installation? just installed ati in live cd environment?
[15:28] <bcoelho2000> i think so
[15:29] <bcoelho2000> here are my steps
[15:29] <bcoelho2000> 1. put the kubuntu 8.10 in the drive
[15:29] <bcoelho2000> 2. boot
[15:29] <bazhang> bcoelho2000, then install as normal, and then boot in recovery mode and install the custom ati drivers
[15:29] <bcoelho2000> 3. choose the 'install to disk' option
[15:30] <bcoelho2000> 4. xserver couldnt start so i installed new driver
[15:30] <bcoelho2000> 5. startx
[15:30] <bcoelho2000> 6. now i need to resume or restart the kubuntu install
[15:30] <bcoelho2000> but how can i install kubuntu from the cd without a restart?
[15:30] <bazhang> bcoelho2000, was anything installed?
[15:30] <bcoelho2000> how can i know that?
[15:31] <bazhang> boot without cd
[15:31] <bcoelho2000> ah
[15:31] <bcoelho2000> if i do that, then winxp boots
[15:31] <bcoelho2000> i have a partition with winxp pro
[15:31] <bazhang> then nothing was installed or it aborted installation
[15:31] <bcoelho2000> yep it seems like it
[15:31] <twisted_g> bcoelho2000: what distro are you trying to install?
[15:31] <bazhang> or you could try to fix grub
[15:31] <bcoelho2000> kubuntu 8.10
[15:32] <bazhang> bcoelho2000, how long did it take (ie the so-called installation)
[15:32] <bcoelho2000> hmm 5 minutos
[15:32] <bcoelho2000> minuts
[15:32] <bazhang> then did not install.
[15:32] <bcoelho2000> yep
[15:32] <twisted_g> bcoelho2000: jaunty is gonna be available soon
[15:32] <bcoelho2000> the kubuntu logo appeareds
[15:32] <bazhang> with the cd though
[15:33] <bcoelho2000> with a bar like the winxp one
[15:33] <bcoelho2000> when the bar was full, the screen went black and then a msg: xserver couldnt start
[15:34] <bazhang> bcoelho2000, and since then you have rebooted without cd?
[15:34] <bcoelho2000> but can I finish the install from the live cd instance"
[15:34] <bcoelho2000> if i reboot without a cd, winxp will start
[15:34] <bazhang> five minutes is way too short for a proper install
[15:34] <bcoelho2000> yep
[15:34] <bazhang> at least 20 on a modern machine
[15:34] <bcoelho2000> i sucessfully installed kubuntu 8.10 in my hp laptop
[15:35] <bcoelho2000> but this one (toshiba) has a ati card
[15:35] <bazhang> the install was aborted then
[15:35] <bcoelho2000> and the driver that comes with the fresh install cant handle my ati card
[15:35] <bcoelho2000> so i've installed new drivers
[15:35] <bazhang> right
[15:35] <bcoelho2000> and now i want to resume or finish the install
[15:36] <bcoelho2000> is this possible?
[15:36] <bazhang> so you need to reinstall, then boot in recovery mode and install those special ppa drivers
[15:36] <bcoelho2000> how can i reinstall?
[15:37] <bazhang> from the installer cd, then choose in grub for recovery mode
[15:37] <bcoelho2000> without rebooting?
[15:37] <bazhang> nope
[15:37] <bcoelho2000> then the reinstallation will fail
[15:37] <bazhang> no it wont
[15:37] <bcoelho2000> it will be no different than the other times
[15:37] <bcoelho2000> how come
[15:37] <bcoelho2000> ?
[15:37] <bazhang> choose in grub, which you dont have now
[15:38] <bcoelho2000> so i need to reboot my machine with the kubuntu cd inside
[15:38] <bcoelho2000> then I need to choose what?
[15:38] <bazhang> seriously back up all xp data first
[15:38] <bcoelho2000> dont worry is a fresh xp install
[15:38] <bcoelho2000> no data
[15:38] <bcoelho2000> :)
[15:39] <bazhang> good :)
[15:39] <bcoelho2000> however the last time grub wasnt loaded
[15:39] <bazhang> of course not :)
[15:40] <bcoelho2000> man im lost
[15:40] <bazhang> not when the install was only five minutes =aborted install
[15:40] <bcoelho2000> lolololo
[15:40] <bcoelho2000> yep
[15:40] <bcoelho2000> so how can we solve this
[15:40] <bazhang> or you have a supercomputer :)
[15:40] <bcoelho2000> ollolololo
[15:40] <bcoelho2000> dont think so
[15:41] <bcoelho2000> nothing but problems
[15:41] <bcoelho2000> olol
[15:41] <bcoelho2000> so bazhang what do you have in mind?
[15:41] <bazhang> well, it seems that the livecd is the sticking point
[15:41] <Metal|AFK> bai
[15:41] <kallecarl> join #freepbx-dev
[15:42] <bazhang> it doesnt want to give you a livecd environment with that card
[15:42] <bcoelho2000> yes. not without installing the special drivers
[15:42] <bcoelho2000> and this breaks the installation process
[15:42] <bazhang> if it were me, and I had a ati card, I would get the alternate cd
[15:42] <bcoelho2000> what alternate cd
[15:43] <bcoelho2000> ?
[15:43] <bazhang> not sure if you have bandwidth caps or whatnot
[15:43] <bazhang> !alternate
[15:43] <bcoelho2000> hmmmmmmm
[15:43] <bcoelho2000> looks like could solve this
[15:43] <bazhang> worth a try at least
[15:44] <bazhang> or check the bootoptions
[15:44] <bazhang> !bootoptions
[15:45] <bcoelho2000> in the installation menu i can give some options
[15:45] <bcoelho2000> i think its f6
[15:46] <bcoelho2000> now i just need to see if theres a bootoption to not start the xserver
[15:46] <bcoelho2000> xforcevesa
[15:46] <bcoelho2000>    Force X to start using VESA driver. Usefull for some notebooks with uncommon video interfaces.
[15:46] <bcoelho2000> can this do the trick?
[15:47] <bazhang> bcoelho2000, check the bootoptions link :)
[15:48] <bcoelho2000> yes yes the text was from that page
[15:48] <bcoelho2000> :)
[15:48] <bcoelho2000> thank you for your help
[15:48] <bazhang> sounds like a winner then :)
[15:49] <bcoelho2000> as soon as i solve this i will return
[15:49] <bcoelho2000> lol
[15:49] <bcoelho2000> wish me luck everyone
[15:49] <bcoelho2000> thank you for your help and time
[15:49] <bazhang> good luck!
[15:49] <bazhang> see you soon :)
[15:49] <bcoelho2000> hopefully
[15:53] <EthioKing> anyone know if we can  use unicode characters on US  routers?
[15:54] <diana_> it just acts strange, like if i unplug and then replug AC it starts to charge the battery but stops quite soon
[15:55] <diana_> sry, wrong chan
[16:14] <shock_day13> hey everyone
[16:14] <shock_day13> anyone here who plays online battle games?
[16:17] <chrisy> Hello. I'm cleaning up an old installation on my sister's laptop, which happens to not have been updated since Feisty. Is there any upgrade path from here, or do I need to reinstall?
[16:18] <shock_day13> you want upgrade for which structure?
[16:18] <sorush20> k3b will not load on my computer.. what can i do ?
[16:18] <shock_day13> if its for 64 then there is a direct command
[16:19] <shock_day13> sorush20: try reinstalling it
[16:19] <PolNEU> chrisy: hmm ... no, I don't think so - but you could try replacing all "feisty" with "intrepid" and try to make an update - but I doubt this won't crash the computer
[16:20] <chrisy> PolNEU: sounds like fun. There isn't anything here I need to save, anyway. I'll take your.. "advice"
[16:20] <bazhang> !upgrade | chrisy
[16:20] <shock_day13> but then he'll be loosing all the softwares and all
[16:21] <bazhang> chrisy, that advice wont work
[16:21] <PolNEU> bazhang: Of course it will work - it is not a good choice, but better then doing 3 upgrades (feisty --> gutsy --> hardy --> intrepid) - and if it crashes the system, look: There is nothing to loose
[16:22] <chrisy> bazhang: Well, it would be quicker doing a fresh install and saving myself all the trouble, no?
[16:22] <PolNEU> chrisy: A fresh install would be better, of course
[16:22] <bazhang> PolNEU, no it wont. please dont suggest it.
[16:22] <p_quarles> chrisy: I would say a fresh install is probably a quicker choice at this point
[16:22] <PolNEU> you could backup your home directory and restore it
[16:23] <p_quarles> chrisy: just because a) what PolNEU suggested definitely won't work; b) the proper way will make you download far more than the contents of the live cd
[16:23] <shock_day13> hey bazhang is there way to upgrade to a new release without having to make a new installation?
[16:24] <chrisy> p_quarles: and in any event, I'm home for spring break, and my parents get crazy speeds on their connection. I'll opt for the fresh install, thanks.
[16:24] <bazhang> shock_day13, from which version
[16:24] <p_quarles> shock_day13: look at what ubottu said above
[16:24] <shock_day13> intrepid to jaunty
[16:24] <shock_day13> after 23rd
[16:24] <bazhang> shock_day13, yes of course :)
[16:25] <shock_day13> how?
[16:26] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes shock_day13 should be updated when jaunty  hits final :)
[16:26] <shock_day13> k thnx
[16:27] <sorush20> my dvd rw is not working under linux ..
[16:28] <sorush20> its working well with windows xp burn for free
[16:28] <sorush20> what could the problem be/
[16:29] <BFP67> trying to install kubuntu but  after install it has a black screen. What install options do i need
[16:29] <Idhan> is there any strategy game for linux? like starcraft
[16:30] <shock_day13> warzone 2100
[16:30] <PolNEU> and glest
[16:30] <bazhang> !games > Idhan
[16:30] <shock_day13> BFP67: after hitting install wait for some time for the black screen to clear up
[16:31] <BFP67> KDE never comes up
[16:31] <shock_day13> then there must be some problem with the disc
[16:31] <shock_day13> try burning to a new disc
[16:31] <bazhang> shock_day13, which boot options did you choose
[16:32] <shock_day13> i always use the live version first
[16:32] <BFP67> I thought so to but it works on other systems
[16:32] <shock_day13> and i install from there
[16:32] <shock_day13> atleast for the first time
[16:32] <bazhang> err sorry BFP67 that was for you
[16:33] <bazhang> !bootoptions > BFP67
[16:33] <BFP67> The computer has the latest chip set ich10
[16:34] <BFP67> are there any install options that i may need to use
[16:34] <bazhang> BFP67, did you read the bot link?
[16:35] <BFP67> yes
[16:35] <cecko> hello everybody, I beg you, could anybody disclose the Jaunty Beta default password to me?
[16:35] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions  <--- BFP67
[16:36] <bazhang> cecko, there is none, #ubuntu+1 for discussion of jaunty
[16:36] <cecko> bazhang empty does not work
[16:36] <BFP67> I did not know whitch option to use
[16:37] <bazhang> BFP67, then you will need to actually try some
[16:37] <BFP67> ok thanks
[16:37] <shock_day13> cecko: try root or toor
[16:37] <BFP67> Ill let you know what happens
[16:40] <cecko> shock_day13 if I understood right, they say in #ubuntu+1 that the default user is root already
[16:41] <bazhang> cecko, no that is not so
[16:41] <PolNEU> Isn't autologin enabled? If so, you could just wait 10 Seconds
[16:43] <cecko> bazhang sorry, I am talking about the live cd
[16:46] <dg_> u
[16:49] <lun4tic> hi
[16:50] <lun4tic> i guess i found a bug in dolphin. when i open a console via F4 key on a mounted drive and close it via "x" button instead of CTRL-D and then try to unmount the drive it doesn't work because in background the terminal with /media/cdrom as PWD is still open
[16:52] <lun4tic> i think if i visually close the terminal via "x" button it shouldn't keep the terminal open in background.
[17:02] <Aks> i want to know the md5 checksum of the kubuntu dvd iso i downloaded
[17:02] <Aks> help me
[17:03] <lun4tic> do you have the md5 file?
[17:04] <lun4tic> then it would be "md5sum -c filename.md5"
[17:04] <Aks> no i dont have
[17:04] <Aks> i downloaded using the torrent
[17:04] <lun4tic> you gotta have the tiny md5 file from the download site
[17:04] <bazhang> !md5
[17:04] <lun4tic> usually the mirror provides the file
[17:05] <Aks> i know how to check it dude
[17:05] <Aks> but i didnt get the file
[17:05] <Aks> where do i find it now ?
[17:05] <lun4tic> the md5 file should be in the directory where the iso is located if you used official torrents
[17:06] <Aks> i downloaded using torrent
[17:06] <Aks> no its not there
[17:06] <Aks> so any alternative ?
[17:06] <lun4tic> then you got a inofficial torrent and cannot verify your download
[17:07] <Aks> how is it possible
[17:07] <lun4tic> if you used an official torrent go to where the torrent link was. normally there should be the md5 file too
[17:07] <Aks> i had clicked the link of torrent
[17:07] <Aks> which was in the kubuntu site
[17:07] <rain> Hi does anyone know how to install windows decorations in kubuntu (KDE 3.5) ? I downloaded vista's window decorations but I cant find way to use them.Do I need some special program?
[17:08] <p_quarles> Aks: the kubuntu site should also have an md5 file for the dvd; are you saying it wasn't there?
[17:08] <Aks> lun4tic: this is the page i used to download it
[17:08] <Aks> http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
[17:09] <Aks> in the bittorrent
[17:09] <Aks> section
[17:09] <Aks> i clicked the link
[17:09] <Aks> with the name
[17:09] <Aks> DVD i386
[17:09] <Aks> isnt this official now ?
[17:10] <lun4tic> which one did you load?
[17:10] <lun4tic> its official
[17:10] <slow-motion> hi
[17:10] <lun4tic> i thought they put the md5 into the torrent
[17:10] <Aks> then there is no link for a md5 checksum there
[17:10] <cecko> hi all, can I backup ntfs partitions using dd? i remember there used to be some ntfs-clone utility
[17:10] <Aks> where in the torrent ?
[17:10] <lun4tic> but unfortunately not
[17:10] <Aks> is it that the file i downloaded using torrent
[17:11] <lun4tic> so you gotta go to some mirror site and download the "MD5SUM"
[17:11] <lun4tic> file
[17:11] <p_quarles> Aks: torrents do have their own integrity checking procedures, so that should take care of that
[17:11] <Aks> is alread checked
[17:11] <lun4tic> from the directory of the kubuntu version you loaded
[17:11] <Aks> ya thats wht i think p_quarles
[17:11] <p_quarles> Aks: in any case: http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/DVDs/ubuntu/8.10/release/
[17:13] <lun4tic> the md5 is ubuntu only
[17:13] <Aks> wht did that mean lun4tic
[17:13] <Aks> ?
[17:13] <lun4tic> http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/DVDs/kubuntu/8.10/release/MD5SUMS is the correct file for Kubuntu
[17:14] <lun4tic> or http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/DVDs/kubuntu/9.04/beta/MD5SUMS if you downloaded the jaunty beta
[17:14] <lun4tic> just look into the files
[17:15] <lun4tic> they are normal textfiles with the ISO filename and the md5sum
[17:15] <lun4tic> so you just gotta find the file with the name corresponding to your iso filename
[17:16] <Aks> thanx lun4tic
[17:16] <Aks> i will re download it
[17:17] <Aks> to avoid ambiguity
[17:19] <ubuntu> how much ram do i need to run kubuntu 8.10 ?
[17:20] <Dekans> I'd say 512 Mb
[17:20] <lun4tic> depends on if you want 3d or not :)
[17:21] <lun4tic> compiz and stuff
[17:21] <Dekans> 256 should be enough surely
[17:21] <lun4tic> jupp
[17:21] <lun4tic> had it running on 256
[17:21] <lun4tic> but it's not very fast then and you can forget compiz
[17:21] <ubuntu> i want 3d
[17:21] <lun4tic> then i guess 1 to 2 gigs should beenough to work normal
[17:22] <jamesjedimaster> 512MB for a good performance with compiz and 3d
[17:22] <lun4tic> 512 is a little low i think
[17:22] <lun4tic> it should at least 1 gig
[17:22] <DarkTan> anyone in here know how to work tight vnc?
[17:22] <jamesjedimaster> i have 512MB and it doesn't feel slow
[17:23] <lun4tic> depends on what you to :D
[17:23] <lun4tic> i click a lot
[17:23] <ubuntu> i have p4 3g ht     and 500 ram. fine?
[17:23] <lun4tic> and it feels kind of slow
[17:23] <Dekans> ubuntu: 3Gb on your HDD ?
[17:24] <lun4tic> cpu is fine but 512 ram are very low these days
[17:24] <jamesjedimaster> you're right, i need more ram when editing with kdenlive
[17:24] <lun4tic> especially if you are planing to use stuff like google earth for example
[17:24] <lun4tic> which grafic card do you have?
[17:25] <lun4tic> if you don't have ATI it should be fine :)
[17:25]  * DarkTan runs on an old AMD box wif 380megs of ram, a 3.2 gb hard drive for the os and a 40gb for the crap
[17:25] <ubuntu> 3g clock speed. Dekans
[17:25] <ubuntu> 3gh
[17:26] <ubuntu> iam installing kubuntu 8.10 from dvd i just burned. and its stuck on " calculating files to be skip coping" what can i do now?
[17:26] <Dekans> ah ok
[17:26] <Dekans> it's enough
[17:27] <ubuntu>  iam installing kubuntu 8.10 from dvd i just burned. and its stuck on " calculating files to be skip coping" what can i do now?
[17:27] <Dekans> wait
[17:27] <ubuntu> its stuck on 15 % for the last 10 mins
[17:28] <DarkTan> wait all night if you have to. if that don't work, reburn the DVD
[17:28] <DarkTan> if the fails, redownload the iso and burn again
[17:28] <lun4tic> or even better
[17:28] <DarkTan> should that fail, replace the drive
[17:28] <lun4tic> check the file via md5 and THEN burn the dvd if it's correct :D
[17:28] <DarkTan> or that :P
[17:28] <lun4tic> if not, download agaun
[17:28] <lun4tic> again*
[17:29] <ubuntu> lun4tic:  what is md5 and to check it?
[17:29]  * DarkTan uses the CD installs, not the live DVD's so he doesn't mind wasting a disk or two
[17:29] <DarkTan> besides, their fun to microwave
[17:29] <lun4tic> http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/DVDs/kubuntu/8.10/release/MD5SUMS
[17:29] <lun4tic> http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto
[17:29] <lun4tic> http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[17:29] <lun4tic> read :D
[17:29] <ubuntu> :)
[17:32] <Dekans> I don't manage to connect to my wifi network on kubuntu jaunty
[17:32] <Dekans> does somene uses Kubuntu 9.04 with wifi here ?
[17:32] <lun4tic> jup
[17:33] <lun4tic> works fine
[17:33] <Dekans> how do you configure it ?
[17:33] <lun4tic> forgot to copy fome wifi card firmware perhaps?
[17:33] <lun4tic> or to give your kubuntu your WPA password?
[17:33] <lun4tic> via network manager
[17:33] <Dekans> the driver is well installed and i gave the wpa password
[17:34] <lun4tic> here it shows me the different Wireless LANs and if i click one i get a password prompt
[17:34] <Dekans> but networkmanager still asks me for it when it tries to connect
[17:34] <lun4tic> maybe a typo?
[17:34] <Dekans> my network doesn't broadcasts it essid
[17:34] <Dekans> si I see a fake essid
[17:34] <lun4tic> new computer?
[17:35] <lun4tic> maybe MAC filtering
[17:35] <Dekans> no it's not a new computer
[17:35] <Dekans> i just uĝraded from 8.10 to 9.04
[17:35] <lun4tic> hm..
[17:36] <lun4tic> can you connect if you broadcast teh ESSID?
[17:37] <ubuntu> how can i check a burn dvd ? (in my case its kubuntu dvd)
[17:37] <lun4tic> ps: that's why i keep my /home and / on seperate partitions :D
[17:37] <lun4tic> no upgradem just clean new install :D
[17:37] <lun4tic> ubuntu: you didn't read the links, right?
[17:37] <DarkTan> ubuntu: when you boot the disk, the first menu has an option to check the disk
[17:38] <Dekans> wait 2 minutes, I check something
[17:38] <XPS_M1330> is there a way to disable locking with the screensaver? or even better, to disable the user password?
[17:38] <Dekans> maybe there's a second essid
[17:39] <lun4tic> XPS_M1330: login manager settings
[17:39] <ubuntu> DarkTan: thanks
[17:39] <lun4tic> there you can anable auto login
[17:39] <ubuntu> lun4tic:  iam lazy reader
[17:39] <lun4tic> ubuntu: i thought so :D
[17:39] <DarkTan> ubuntu: if you want to run linux, you'd better change that.
[17:40]  * DarkTan has read more on how to write one command than he did all of high school o_0
[17:40] <XPS_M1330> lun4tic: I don't find the option
[17:40] <lun4tic> the wikis are really step by step manuals these days
[17:40] <lun4tic> especially in ubuntu
[17:40] <DarkTan> yep
[17:40] <lun4tic> so even a total newby can understand that
[17:41] <Metal> back
[17:41] <ubuntu> lun4tic: DarkTan ok
[17:41] <ubuntu> thx
[17:41] <lun4tic> so have no fear to read some crazy freaky linux nerd shit... ;)
[17:41] <XPS_M1330> I enabled passwordless logins but I'm still asked for a password on screen resume
[17:41] <ubuntu> lun4tic:  where are you from?
[17:42] <ubuntu> lun4tic:  is this your name?
[17:43] <lun4tic> ubuntu: germany
[17:43] <ubuntu> lun4tic:  ok . is this lun4tic your name?
[17:44] <lun4tic> the screen resume thing is in the power management settings i think
[17:44] <lun4tic> system settings --> advanced
[17:44] <lun4tic> --> power management
[17:45] <lun4tic> there you can set the profile
[17:45] <lun4tic> @XPS_M1330
[17:59] <santiago> rocket man, burnin down the trees on their front lawn!
[18:00] <Darkmmm> anyone else help me for my audio , i can't use my micro
[18:11] <forces> wich program use for msn?
[18:12] <jamesjedimaster> kopete, there is also amsn
[18:15] <jamesjedimaster> algo pidgin
[18:15] <kamal> hi
[18:15] <jamesjedimaster> also
[18:15] <kamal> I want conversation with we.
[18:16] <kamal> but i don't understand
[18:16] <kamal> can you help me
[18:17] <kamal> bequie
[18:18] <chris-rc1> hello everyone
[18:18] <chris-rc1> is it possible to install jaunty's libc6 besides the one provided in intrepid?
[18:25] <xjjk> chris-rc1: I'm not an expert in the subject but most likely no
[18:25] <xjjk> at least not the packages
[18:25] <xjjk> chris-rc1: you consider using a chroot?
[18:26] <chris-rc1> xjjk: no, sth much simpler. just wanna install amarok 2.0.2
[18:28] <xjjk> chris-rc1: ah... there's not a PPA?
[18:29] <chris-rc1> xjjk: no, only 2.0.1. not even the beta of 2.1. but considering that it's short before the next release i'm not surprised. well, i'll wait then. it's coming soon :-)
[18:30] <xjjk> chris-rc1: reminds me, a blog article I need to write... compiling packages for your current distro from other distros...
[18:30] <xjjk> chris-rc1: it's pretty easy to take the sources of the jaunty amarok and recompile on intrepid
[18:30] <xjjk> provided all the depencencies are there
[18:30] <xjjk> that way, you compile to your version of libc/whatever other libraries you have installed
[18:32] <chris-rc1> you mean via apt-get source --compile?
[18:32] <xjjk> chris-rc1: something like that, yes
[18:33] <xjjk> that'd only work if you had jaunty's source repositories properly configured
[18:33] <xjjk> chris-rc1: I'd go to packages.ubuntu.com... go to the package
[18:33] <xjjk> download the source files (.tar.gz and a .diff.gz)
[18:33] <xjjk> unpack tarball, apply diff
[18:33] <xjjk> chmod +x debian/rules
[18:33] <xjjk> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b
[18:33] <xjjk> I should really write that blog article =/
[18:34] <hoonteke> Using base Ubuntu (Intrepid +Gnome), how do I install the version of Amarok that uses kde4 libraries?  I don't know which package to install ...
[18:35] <chris-rc1> hoonteke: amarok-kde4
[18:35] <chris-rc1> thanks xjjk
[18:36] <hoonteke> chris-rc1: hrm, that's what I thought, but I don't see it in
[18:36] <hoonteke> $ apt-cache search | grep amarok
[18:36] <hoonteke> am I missing a repo in my sources.list?
[18:48] <demmon> how can i lock the programs so no one can use them
[18:48] <w-heat> demmon: ctrl+alt+L should lock the screen
[18:49] <demmon> w-heat: i know that but only the programs
[18:50] <checho> hello
[18:50] <w-heat> demmon: can you clarify "lock"? do you want it so that certain programs can't be launched, or so that the graphical interface is disabled?
[18:51] <demmon> yes
[18:51] <demmon> i want to lock all the internet programs
[18:53] <demmon> w-heat: how can i make another user
[18:53] <demmon> account
[18:54] <w-heat> demmon: I'm afraid I'm not sure of the best way to acomplish the lockdown. For new user, go to the kicker -> Applications -> System -> User Manager
[18:55] <checho> why kubuntu stops the files transfers?
[18:55] <checho> im using kubuntu 9.04 beta
[18:56] <checho> ??????????'
[18:56] <checho> kopete*
[18:59] <lun4tic> files to big maybe?
[19:00] <lun4tic> timeout because of low bandwidth?
[19:02] <theuser1> how to install .bin file program. (i have download google earth web)?
[19:02] <lun4tic> sh programname.bin
[19:02] <lun4tic> or ./name.bin
[19:03] <theuser1> lun4tic:  ok. then?
[19:03] <lun4tic> there should open a installer
[19:03] <theuser1> ok
[19:03] <lun4tic> if it complains try "sudo sh installer.bin"
[19:03] <lun4tic> but remember it's google :D
[19:04] <theuser1> ok
[19:04] <lun4tic> google doesn't need root rights on your PC :D
[19:04] <theuser1> ok
[19:04] <lun4tic> does anyone know the "aftermath" of http://www.zdnet.com.au/insight/software/soa/Is-it-Windows-7-or-KDE-4-/0,139023769,339294810,00.htm
[19:05] <lun4tic> i'd like to see the faces of the people when they were told that it's not windows7 :)
[19:07] <Behappy> is it possible to install ubuntu on external Usb 2.5 HDD and boot it from other Pcs ??
[19:09] <lun4tic> yes
[19:10] <lun4tic> http://www.tecchannel.de/pc_mobile/linux/1765932/workshop_ubuntu_bootfaehig_usb_stick_installieren_booten/index3.html
[19:10] <lun4tic> hope german tutorial is useful :)
[19:10] <checho> why kubuntu stops the files transfers?
[19:10] <checho> im using kubuntu 9.04 beta
[19:10] <checho> why kubuntu stops the files transfers?
[19:10] <checho> im using kubuntu 9.04 beta
[19:10] <lun4tic> if not just use the commands and pictures :D
[19:10] <checho> sorry
[19:11] <checho> mmm kopete
[19:11] <checho> is not working
[19:11] <checho> .... i try to transfer a file with protocl msn
[19:11] <lun4tic> which IM?
[19:11] <lun4tic> icq
[19:11] <lun4tic> jabber
[19:11] <lun4tic> whatever?
[19:11] <lun4tic> kopete supports various
[19:11] <checho> ajam
[19:11] <checho> im using MSN
[19:11] <checho> but
[19:12] <checho> transfer is 5k =(
[19:12] <checho> pc to pc
[19:12] <lun4tic> could also be possible that the "other side" is responsible for the transfer abort
[19:12] <checho> is not the first time
[19:12] <checho> with other contacs is thesame
[19:13] <lun4tic> hm..
[19:13] <checho> any idea?
[19:13] <lun4tic> could be a MSN problem
[19:13] <checho> go to kubuntu 8.10?
[19:13] <lun4tic> try other clients maybe
[19:13] <lun4tic> did you try pidgin?
[19:14] <lun4tic> if it works usw pidgin till kopete gets an upgrade
[19:14] <checho> so im going to try pidgin
[19:14] <checho> or amsn xD
[19:14] <lun4tic> maybe
[19:14] <lun4tic> use the client that works :D
[19:14] <checho> ok lunatic thanks for listen
[19:14] <lun4tic> allways remember "form follows function"  :)
[19:16] <vnwarrior> guys.. in KDE 4.2, I think the banners which pop-up when you hover on a panel or something is too .. well, big. Can I change it to the way it is in gnome - the little yellow popups?
[19:20] <henry_BR> Amarok 2.1 Beta 1 "Nuliajuk" released, how do I update it?
[19:24] <vnwarrior> guys.. in KDE 4.2, I think the banners which pop-up when you hover on a panel or something is too .. well, big. Can I change it to the way it is in gnome - the little yellow popups?
[19:29] <venik> I have pidgin set up to autoaccept files from some friends.  WHere does it put the files it receives?
[19:29] <yapp_> Hi I just remouve xorg and now Linux is autologin in @ the bash how do I stop that?
[19:30] <alessandro> hello
[19:30] <yapp_> hi
[19:35] <lun4tic> yapp_: the autologin or the textmode?
[19:35] <yapp_> it autologin in textmode
[19:35] <yapp_> :-)
[19:35] <spy32> yippie, the new ati binary driver relase just works fine for my hd4850 :)))))))
[19:37] <chris-rc1> henry_BR: are you running intrepid? then you can't (at least not the usual and comfortable way))
[19:37] <lun4tic> so you want a textmode with no autologin?
[19:37] <henry_BR> chris-rc1: yes, intrepid.. well okay, i guess i will wait for 9.04
[19:38] <chris-rc1> can somebody tell me of their experience with kde 4.2 and the latest nvidia drivers? is it fast enough, snappy?
[19:38] <yapp_> yes
[19:38] <chris-rc1> henry_BR: it's only 12 days :-)
[19:38] <spy32> has anybody in here problems with the binary driver. the open source didn't support shaders and the performance was like software rendering so i decided to switch to the software renderer
[19:38] <lun4tic> chris-rc1: works fine here
[19:38] <chris-rc1> henry_BR: tried the same thing an hour ago
[19:38] <henry_BR> chris-rc1: hehe =)
[19:38] <jinzougen> I'm having a strange issue with kubuntu (intrepid)--I came online yesterday and asked about it but no one was home... When I use alt+tab to switch to a console window, very often the konsole stops accepting keyboard input. This problem never arises though if I use the mouse to make konsole the active window. I have scim installed and think it may have something to do with it. Any ideas what's going on/how to fix it?
[19:38] <spy32> *to the binary driver, sorry
[19:38] <lun4tic> Quadcore Q6600, 4G RAM, 9800GTX, 64bit Kubuntu 9.04 Beta with nvidia drivers
[19:39] <jinzougen> It's annoying because I tend to alt+tab between konsole and emacs very often when I work.
[19:39] <lun4tic> World of Warcraft running in wine just fine
[19:39] <lun4tic> WITH 3D desktop effects of course
[19:39] <chris-rc1> lun4tic: mine isn't very "snappy". often a window is painted grey before it is filled with content (for like a second), especially in amarok and kontact
[19:39] <spy32> Quadcore Q6700, 2 GiB RAM, HD4850, 32bit Kubuntu 9.04 Beta with ati binary drivers
[19:39] <lun4tic> don't use amarok
[19:40] <lun4tic> i just have problems when playing games and blending the dashboard with CTRL-F12
[19:40] <spy32> lun4tic, but it's damn slow with an older graphic card :(
[19:40] <lun4tic> old graphic cards suck :D
[19:40] <yapp_> its autologin in textmode, I wan't no local autologin any hints?
[19:40] <lun4tic> ~200EUR at  least for a good card :)
[19:40] <chris-rc1> jinzougen: i have a similar problem. if i switch windows too much (i think it is because of the keys involved) kde doesn't accept any input any more. need to force an X restart
[19:40] <spy32> right
[19:41]  * spy32 has a HD4850... muhaha!!
[19:41] <lun4tic> yapp_: have you tried the server version of ubuntu?
[19:41] <jinzougen> chris-rc1, I don't ever have to restart X, usually minimizing/restoring the problematic window with the mouse fixes the situation.
[19:41] <lun4tic> i think that version doesn't have X
[19:42] <lun4tic> and has normal login
[19:42] <yapp_> no cause I want to run it in colinux and ther is no server image. If you tell me how I run Ubuntu LTS Server in colinux i will do so.
[19:42] <chris-rc1> jinzougen: can you make any  input in another window?
[19:43] <jinzougen> Yeah. The keyboard only stops working for one window at a time. Usually it's konsole. I don't have the problem with emacs, firefox or most others.
[19:43] <jinzougen> maybe I should try a different terminal?
[19:44] <jinzougen> I've found it hard in the past to get a fully utf-8 compliant terminal though. Konsole is nice in that respect.
[19:44] <chris-rc1> jinzougen: well, with me it usually happens with ooo while switching between the latter and opera. so might not be application-specific
[19:44] <jinzougen> hm.
[19:45] <jinzougen> Have you found any solutions? Do you use scim? I suspect scim because it sort of captures keyboard input before giving it to the target window, to allow for input switching hot keys.
[19:46] <chris-rc1> i used to have skim installed on an old install, but never found out what it is used for. but it's not installed on my current system
[19:47] <jinzougen> hm.
[19:47] <jinzougen> Have you found any resources online that talk about this issue?
[19:47] <jinzougen> forums or the like?
[20:00] <RizR> hi.
[20:01] <RizR> kde 4.2. can a wallpaper be stretched across both monitors in dual-head setup? (twinview+compiz)
[20:06] <sorush20> I keep getting this error when I try to upgrade
[20:06] <sorush20> http://pastebin.com/m48a0a390
[20:18] <Laeborg> If I should buy a new gfx card (PCI Express 2.0) and it should be good working in kubuntu. witch one should i pick ?
[20:20] <theuser1> $ /home/theuser1/googleearth
[20:20] <theuser1> Warning: Unable to create prefs directory '/home/theuser1/.googleearth'. File exists.
[20:20] <theuser1> ./googleearth-bin: relocation error: /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libssl.so.0.9.8: symbolBIO_test_flags, version OPENSSL_0.9.8 not defined in file libcrypto.so.0.9.8 with link time reference
[20:21] <theuser1> help ^ ?
[20:24] <LiMaO> theuser1: how did you install google earth?
[20:25] <theuser1> ./google
[20:25] <theuser1> ./google.bin
[20:25] <LiMaO> theuser1: you should have installed it from the medibuntu repository
[20:26] <NoChains> hi there
[20:26] <LiMaO> theuser1: http://www.medibuntu.org/
[20:26] <NoChains> just fooling around kubuntu+kde4.2.2
[20:26] <NoChains> looks great and useful
[20:26] <NoChains> a kick to gnome ...
[20:27] <NoChains> anybody knows if the kubuntu will have 4.2.2 by default?
[20:27] <NoChains> in the website doesn't say anything about that
[20:27] <xjjk> NoChains: Jaunty? yes
[20:28] <NoChains> thanks xjjk
[20:45] <Psychoholic> is there a way to enter "safe mode" in kubuntu or use a cd to restore the os back to defaults?
[20:46] <aga> Psychoholic:   you can use the live cd to fix what has been broken, but which defaults do you mean? system or kde ones?
[20:48] <Psychoholic> well every time i start it up it get to the "splash screen"  but the monitor turns off and says out of range but if i boot with the live cd it boot fine
[20:49] <aga> i would try moving the .kde folder first it may be something in X config but it may also be some setting in kde and then moving the folder may help
[20:49] <aga> you can start in terminal mode and do the movings
[20:50] <Psychoholic> what the one in my home dir
[20:50] <Psychoholic> or root
[20:51] <aga> the one in home Psychoholic, the one called .kde
[20:52] <Psychoholic> sure give me sec...
[20:54] <ulas> hi ppl. how do i get rid of ubuntu-desktop and deps after installing kubuntu-desktop
[20:58] <Psychoholic> well i try to do things on my own most of  the time and i know my way around terminal but i'm not sure how to move it what the command i'm looking for if i knew what it was i could just use it with -h to learn about it.
[20:59] <aga> Psychoholic:  what you need is mv
[20:59] <Psychoholic> thanks
[20:59] <aga> but let me try to find out the precis command because i mess a lot with them
[20:59] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[20:59] <aga> oh ActionParsnip... hello :D
[21:00] <aga> i'm sure you know this one... the command to move the kde folder? mv /home/.kde /home/kdebackup?
[21:00] <ActionParsnip> aga: looks absolutely fine
[21:00] <aga> im totally unable to remember all the commands
[21:00] <ActionParsnip> actually
[21:00] <ActionParsnip> that folder doesnt exist
[21:00] <aga> .kde?
[21:00] <aga> or /home?
[21:00] <ActionParsnip> try: mv ~/.kde ~/kdebackup
[21:00] <wirechief_> just use man mv  for more information
[21:01] <ActionParsnip> aga: unless you have a USER called .kde  ;)
[21:01] <ulas_> hi ppl. how do i get rid of ubuntu-desktop and deps after installing kubuntu-desktop
[21:01] <aga> wirechief:  won't change... i just cant remember all the commands,.and i cant understand man
[21:01] <ActionParsnip> aga: read your command carefully
[21:01] <aga> yeah
[21:01] <ActionParsnip> :D
[21:02] <aga> i see now :p i meant /username/.kde /username/.kdebackup... but i wrote what i wrote (did i say i am terrible for commands already???)
[21:03] <aga> how makes people to remember so many things -.-
[21:03] <ActionParsnip> aga: use ~/ if you want to use anything in the home directory, makes life easier
[21:03] <orlynet> hola
[21:04] <aga> right :D nice tip :)
[21:04] <aga> ActionParsnip:  how familiar are you with grub??/ i have a big issue but man grub and the grub manual did not help a lot
[21:04] <aga> i need to edit my grub to detect a second os in the system
[21:04] <ActionParsnip> !grub
[21:04] <aga> no no no
[21:05] <ActionParsnip> ?
[21:05] <aga> that's not the story.. my grub works fine, but only with ubuntu. I installed gentoo (don't laugh) from kubuntu, so i need to edit my grub to detect gentoo
[21:05] <aga> and i do not know how to do that
[21:05] <aga> :D
[21:05] <ActionParsnip> aga: gentoo is brilliant
[21:05] <wirechief_> !grub2
[21:05] <aga> i've heard so... i want to give it a try at least... maybe it is just too big for me but i wanted to try anyway
[21:06] <ActionParsnip> aga: you'll lern a lot
[21:06] <Psychoholic> well did the reboot after the move and i still get out of range i think my vdo card is going bad that sucks too because it onboard and it one of thou's little hp desktops
[21:06] <aga> i learnt a lot already just installing it ... all those settings all around
[21:06] <aga> hmmm then it looks like something on X Psychoholic... and i cannot help much i am afraid
[21:06] <aga> which command did you use anyway?
[21:07] <ActionParsnip> aga: you just need to add the right partition number then specify the correct kernel for it to boot, you will most likely use something like in the ubuntu boot, just marginally different
[21:07] <Psychoholic> yeah i need to get it to boot in int 3 to see if its that or somthing else
[21:08] <Psychoholic> anyone know how to force it to do that?
[21:08] <Psychoholic> boot in term
[21:08] <aga> yea ActionParsnip but that's exactly where i get lost
[21:09] <aga> but actualy this link may be useful.. i will read it
[21:10] <Psychoholic> dang it it gets to grub and just stops grrr
[21:12] <Psychoholic> ha ha think i got it
[21:12] <aga> Psychoholic: which error?
[21:13] <ActionParsnip> aga: i'd ask in #gentoo for helo getting gentoo booted from grub
[21:13] <ActionParsnip> aga: and read the gentoo handbook
[21:13] <Psychoholic> when it boot for a split sec it says grub and says hit esc to get other boot options then it has one option to "restore".. hope it works
[21:14] <Psychoholic> right its doing a fsck on the drive
[21:14] <Guest16442> Hi every one.
[21:14] <Psychoholic> think i need to blow it out too got lots of dust it looks like
[21:15] <Guest16442> Trying to multiboot xp and kubuntu on xfs with lilo where is the option to use lilo?
[21:15] <aga> ActionParsnip:  a friend is helping me, i installed from the handbook with some deviations (i can tell you more in pm if you are curious) but my grub is the kubuntu one...
[21:15] <aga> so i thought i should edit this grubm bcause is the only one i have
[21:16] <Psychoholic> you working with gentoo that was a hard one to install but i got it working on my other rig
[21:16] <ActionParsnip> aga: grub is grub in any system
[21:16] <Psychoholic> fun but i really didn't like portage
[21:17] <aga> jup ActionParsnip but i just dont understand how to change it... i guess i dont get the big concept behind it
[21:17] <ActionParsnip> aga: its a simple boot os that reads menu.lst
[21:17] <ActionParsnip> Psychoholic: its a great app, gets apps optomised awesomely
[21:18] <aga> i will manage eventually... maybe this weekend i can do a bit of googling and try to find out more... it's been lack of time mostly... the installation took me 3 days hihi
[21:19] <Psychoholic> well what i wasn't to keen on was all the variables that you have to put in
[21:20] <Psychoholic> sweet it works now i need to reboot it and check it out..
[21:20] <ActionParsnip> Psychoholic: thats the beauty of gentoo, teaches you a lot about your system. Its not a simple system like ubuntu (and its significantly smaller)
[21:22] <Psychoholic> yeah thats one thing  i liked about it it didn't install all the "fluff" that most others do.. what do you run on you box
[21:22] <aga> Psychoholic:  whenevr i have a problem with kde i just move the folder...never harms and often helps
[21:22] <aga> you guys... are making me impacient :p assuming i  managed to install it in a way it'll boot that is
[21:23] <aga> ActionParsnip:  i was thinking on running sudo grub-update
[21:23] <aga> that might work?
[21:23] <administrator__> Teste
[21:23] <ActionParsnip> aga: try it
[21:24] <aga> command not found -.-
[21:24] <aga> probably because it's update-grub
[21:25] <aga> *sigh*
[21:25] <aga> hmm i think that didnt quite work
[21:26] <aga> night night guys
[21:29] <katie> hey, I've noticed that when using both firefox & galeon, the applications freeze sometimes when a page is loading, and I think this started with some update to something-- has anyone heard of this?
[21:29] <Psychoholic> later all
[21:33] <p-f> has anyone used the imagej package from the main repository? It's horrendously broken in my case. Clicking on X doesn't do anything, plugins silently fail, etc.
[21:33] <p-f> works fine if I manually install it from their website
[21:33] <JamesC> oops, how do I put a hosts.deny hosts.allow per user?
[21:34] <carpii__> does that make sense?
[21:35] <carpii__> hosts file is used before authentication afaik
[21:35] <RizR> how to control the colour and look-n-feel of tool-tip help and other light dialogues in kde 4.2. screenshot is here: http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?fddc70316b.jpg
[21:35] <RizR> the popup window for synaptic package manager at the bottom on left screen.
[21:35] <RizR> I'm running compiz+emarald
[21:37] <JamesC> carpii__: I'm not sure if it makes exact sense using exactly the hosts files, but there has to be a way to do a white/blacklist operations per user, per address
[21:38] <JamesC> I'm trying to block all websites for 1 user, and permit only few dns's
[21:42] <lun4tic> does anyone know why nvidia drivers don't show up on a kubuntu jaunty installed on a usb stick?
[21:43] <ActionParsnip> lun4tic: the nv one will, you will need to install the drivers for 3d accelleration using apt-get etc
[21:44] <ActionParsnip> lun4tic: the full nvidia drivers are proprietary so are not included on the cd
[21:44] <lun4tic> so why don't they show up in the restricted drivers gui
[21:44] <lun4tic> i know that
[21:44] <lun4tic> normally i go to the gui for the restricted drivers and "actvate" the driver
[21:44] <lun4tic> or one of the two drivers shown
[21:45] <lun4tic> but on the jaunty installed on my stick there is only an empty window
[21:45] <lun4tic> on the live cd nvidia drivers show up
[21:45] <lun4tic> but cannot be installed cause its a live cd
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> lun4tic: sure you can, it just wont be installed if you reboot
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> lun4tic: what is the output of   lspci | grep -i vga
[21:47] <lun4tic> yeah i know
[21:47] <lun4tic> but why isn't any driver showing up in the persistant installed usb stick kubuntu
[21:48] <lun4tic> i'm trying to reinstall currently
[21:48] <lun4tic> wait a sec
[21:49] <ActionParsnip> lun4tic: if its a newish card (newer than geforce 6) then run: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-180; sudo nvidia-xconfig
[21:49] <lun4tic> 0.1:00.0 VGA compatible controller nVIdia Cooperation GeForce 9600M GT (rev a1)
[21:49] <ActionParsnip> lun4tic: once you restart x, job done
[21:49] <lun4tic> 01
[21:49] <lun4tic> not 0.1
[21:50] <lun4tic> so apt get alone can do it too?
[21:50] <lun4tic> thought the gui does some stuff that the package doesn't
[21:50] <ActionParsnip> lun4tic: indeed, thats all that silly app is for, just that it detects yuor card then suggests a driver
[21:50] <lun4tic> -.-
[21:50] <ActionParsnip> lun4tic: if you know your stuff its pointless
[21:50] <lun4tic> ^^
[21:55] <lun4tic> ActionParsnip: thx
[21:55] <ActionParsnip> lun4tic: simple aint it
[21:56] <ActionParsnip> lun4tic: as I got better with linux I learned to hate those apps
[21:56] <lun4tic> i like them
[21:56] <Metal|AFK> bai
[21:56] <lun4tic> but not if they're bugged :D
[21:57] <lun4tic> i guess they don't really recognize the mobile chip
[21:57] <lun4tic> but if so why does it show up on live cd -.-
[21:57] <ActionParsnip> lun4tic: no idea personally. i never used em
[21:58] <lun4tic> the stupid programm seems like as if it tests some "other" lspci if installed permanently XD
[21:59] <lun4tic> just want to have a "fancy looking" kde4.2 to show around that doesn't disturb my working system :)
[21:59] <lun4tic> and kde without 3d support makes no sense at all in my opinion
[21:59] <lun4tic> it's actually feeling kind of "slow" then
[22:00] <Guest16442> is grub faster to boot than than lilo?
[22:01] <ActionParsnip> lun4tic: kde can do rendering itself using the cpu
[22:01] <ActionParsnip> lun4tic: but i find kde slow
[22:02] <lun4tic> yep that's why i want to use the hardware
[22:02] <lun4tic> it should look like an "opensource vista" kind of thing :)
[22:03] <lun4tic> to show all the cool looking stuff like cover flow and exposé like stuff
[22:03] <ActionParsnip> lxde here, fast, slim and efficient
[22:04] <lun4tic> but not looking very "WoW i want that on my PC"like :)
[22:05] <lun4tic> i want to impress someone with kde at least the people who allways say linux looks "old"
[22:05] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[22:06] <libervisco> Hi.. when I add vga=794 to the grub line usplash is blank, any workarounds?
[22:07] <libervisco> (that's supposed to put the boot and console resolution to 1028x1024 at 16bit colors
[22:07] <ActionParsnip> lun4tic: ahh, then kde + compiz will wow them if they are concerned with gloss. Personally I dont care as long as it works so I save ram by killing gloss so my desktop doesnt look like a girls pc
[22:07] <libervisco> or 24bit not sure
[22:08] <lun4tic> you think girls like fancy looking desktops... XD
[22:08] <libervisco> laptops maybe..
[22:09] <lun4tic> here in germany they had netbooks with some fake diamonds on top -.-
[22:09] <lun4tic> with the shape of butterflys and stuff....
[22:09] <lun4tic> that's just to much :)
[22:09] <aga> no it's not
[22:09] <libervisco> I guess they're treating netbooks as netpurses..
[22:09] <aga> diamonds are never too much, shiny is never too much and pink is never too much
[22:10] <aga> i'll have to check the laptops next transit in germany :D
[22:10] <lun4tic> netbooks to me are "handbag computers" for women ;)
[22:10] <libervisco> yeah :)
[22:10] <aga> i really hate those generalizations... yet i love the idea of a shiny nice glossy lappy
[22:11] <lun4tic> netbooks are just too small for my bear hands :D
[22:11] <ActionParsnip> nvidia are releasing one soon. its gonna be killer
[22:11] <lun4tic> hopefully with linux
[22:11] <libervisco> nvidia netbook?
[22:11] <aga> i wonder what's really the use of a netbook... they  look way too small for me
[22:11] <libervisco> will it play 3D games? :D
[22:12] <ActionParsnip> yep
[22:12] <ActionParsnip> http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2008/12/nvidia_could_enter_the_netbook_market_today_if_they_wanted_to.html
[22:12] <libervisco> nice :)
[22:12] <ActionParsnip> !ot
[22:12] <ActionParsnip> :D
[22:12] <lun4tic> aga: absoFlutely :D
[22:12] <ActionParsnip> arent I a hypocite
[22:12] <libervisco> can't follow the link, I'm in console (irssi) apt getting kubuntu-desktop :P
[22:13] <aga> i am trying to go to sleep from a while ago.. but i deeply refuse to get in bed so early on friday :d i can be naughty
[22:14] <BFP67> really
[22:14] <aga> jup, no alarmclock banging me at 5.30 tomorrow :D
[22:14] <ActionParsnip> libervisco: why not install the desktop iso initially?
[22:15] <libervisco> ActionParsnip: I use LVM.. which is supported only by the alternate or minicd installers.. so while I'm at it I prefer installing from minicd from scratch
[22:15] <libervisco> netinstall that is
[22:16] <libervisco> result is ultimately the same as with the iso and then doing a dist-upgrade :)
[22:16] <JamesC> when you alter hosts.deny, which daemon do you have to restart for it to take affect?
[22:16] <ActionParsnip> libervisco: me too, less fluff
[22:16] <genii> The /etc/init.d/networking
[22:18] <JamesC> genii: and if that doesn't work? Probably a error on my part.   I have         ALL: user@mymachine       should that be ALL: user@mymachine : ALL ?
[22:21] <xavier> ello all
[22:21] <genii> JamesC: Since "mymachine" is not a FQDN you might want the machine's IP or localhost, or 127.0.0.1 instead
[22:22] <JamesC> genii: trying it with both...
[22:24] <xavier> i want the french irc please
[22:24] <HighHo> !fr
[22:24] <xavier> thank you
[22:28] <JamesC> genii: I've tried both, still not blocking anything   /etc/init.d/network restart   just prints reconfiguring network interfaces  [OK]..  is that really all required?
[22:29] <JamesC> all that is required i mean
[22:29] <genii> JamesC: Yup. Likely you have hosts.allow entry which overrides
[22:32] <JamesC> genii: hosts.allow just has the examples/decription in comments.  nothing at all
[22:32] <peterhil> #cocoa
[22:32] <peterhil> Sorry...
[22:32] <libervisco> font anti-aliasing is kinda inconsistent in KDE
[22:33] <libervisco> like, plasma menus are less aliased
[22:33] <libervisco> or more that is
[22:34] <Dragnslcr> Where's the setting for locking the KDE session after a certain amount of time? Looks like a recent upgrade turned it on, and I can't find where to turn it off
[22:35] <JamesC> genii: in hosts.deny ALL: ALL doesn't even do anything, again hosts.allow has not entries.  What could be interfering with it? Some obscure script?
[22:36] <genii> JamesC: Perhaps ufw rules
[22:36] <genii> (or other firewall rules)
[22:37] <JamesC> genii: i thought blocking my son off of websites was going to be easy :-). I give up for now, thanks for the help.
[22:38] <genii> JamesC: Consider dansguardian
[22:39] <genii> !info dansguardian
[22:41] <JamesC> genii: Thanks you I'll check it out asap
[22:42] <genii> JamesC: The best way is to set it up in transparent mode (it works then on port 80). But also you can force firefox settings in a config file as well to make it use the usual port it wants (3138 or so)
[22:43] <libervisco> qtcurve theme wont apply in settings
[22:46] <JamesC> genii: thanks, I installed it. I'll figure out transparent mode later on.  I know the hosts files somehow will work, for that is how I did this in the past (on plain debian). I only give him access to like 10 sites, so it was usually faster this way.  Again, thank you.
[22:46] <genii> JamesC: Glad to help
[22:47] <kaddi> nabbend
[22:48] <Resistol> how can i get kubuntu to let me use my desktop as a desktop?  Opensuse has a simple option in desktop configuration, but i can't find it in kubuntu.  what's the deal with the "folder view" ?
[22:57] <YYCseismic> hey there, all... need some help with KDE4 themes on kubuntu.
[22:59] <calvin_> I am setting up a new box and the default drivers for my wireless card were not working (the system actually locked up trying to connect) so i took the ndis route, and now the wlan0 interface is missing entirely
[23:00] <kaddi> Resistol: and the folder view doesn't do what you want to have? did you try it?
[23:01] <Resistol> kaddi, it feels like I went to "C:\documents and settings\resistol\desktop" and have that window open
[23:02] <Resistol> I'd like to be able to close that window, and still save things to my desktop, and have them show up there
[23:02] <Resistol> it's funky, i can drag a file from the folder view of the desktop onto my desktop, but i can't create a file on my desktop
[23:02] <Resistol> know what i mean?
[23:02] <calvin_> nope not anymore. someone decided the desktop shouldnt be a folder anymore. they are probably right.
[23:03] <libervisco> kubuntu has some sound issues.. a clean instal and there's no sound
[23:03] <Resistol> calvin_, i agree that people tend to clutter their desktops and not organize well... but shouldn't they have the choice to be that way?
[23:03] <calvin_> but its obviously some of a mental shift for a lot of people.
[23:04] <xiq> hello, is there some linux professor who could help me with damn small linux?
[23:04] <kaddi> Resistol: not sure we mean the same thing: when you do a rightclick and select appearence settings go to type and select "folder view" i'm able to drag items on it
[23:04] <LiMaO> xiq: aren't you at the wrong channel?
[23:05] <kaddi> (but may be this is a 4.2 feature)
[23:05] <xiq> LiMaO but i think here are friendlier persons :)
[23:05] <rysiek|pl> hi guys
[23:05] <LiMaO> xiq: oh that's for sure =) we're nice
[23:05] <xiq> and its debian, too
[23:05] <rysiek|pl> anybody tried using kde4 + dual head (two separate X screens)?
[23:05] <LiMaO> xiq: i can't help you though, as i've never used damn small
[23:06] <wirechief> xiq maybe #kubuntu-offtopic people can work with you
[23:06] <xiq> thx
[23:07] <Guest40316>  this is a support channel for jaunty right?
[23:07] <dwidmann> rysiek|pl: sure, and it didn't work.
[23:07] <kaddi> !jaunty
[23:07] <SlimeyPete> Guest40316: not until it's released
[23:07] <rysiek|pl> Guest40316: join #ubuntu+1
[23:07] <Guest40316> got it
[23:08] <Guest40316> thnx
[23:08] <rysiek|pl> dwidmann: oh ffs... and anybody knows how to rotate a SINGLE monitor display in a nvidia TwinView setup?
[23:09] <dwidmann> erm, not me
[23:09] <Metal> back
[23:09] <Resistol> kaddi, what do the two modes mean in right click->desktop config ... whether you select desktop or folder view?
[23:10] <Resistol> maybe that's supposed to be the option i'm talking about
[23:10] <Resistol> but when i tried last night to use "Desktop" which was the default, there was still just a background and the folder view of the desktop folder
[23:10] <kaddi> Resistol: As far as I can tell the first is the desktop where you can't drag stuff to and the second makes the desktop behave as one is used to
[23:11] <Resistol> cool
[23:11] <Resistol> well i'll check it out again
[23:11] <Resistol> oh and what's the verdict on the stability of 9.04?
[23:11] <genii> Heh "stability"
[23:11] <Resistol> I've heard that it is more stable, and faster (esp boot times) than 8.10
[23:13] <kaddi> where do i find plasmarc and plasma-source-applet again?
[23:13] <kaddi> found it
[23:19] <vertago1> Hello
[23:19] <genii> !hi
[23:21] <vertago1> Anyone have any recomendations for trying to figure out why plasma is using up so much CPU in jaunty?
[23:21] <lun4tic> hm... no 3d drivers running? :D
[23:22] <vertago1> well I have the composite extension enabled
[23:22] <lun4tic> software renderer --> much cpu time :D
[23:22] <vertago1> and I am using nvidia-glx-180
[23:22] <lun4tic> hm...
[23:23] <lun4tic> wasn't there a kernel package aswell?
[23:23] <lun4tic> for nvidia
[23:23] <vertago1> I have the linux-restricted-modules installed
[23:24] <vertago1> plus when I use different effects with compiz it doesn't tie up that much cpu
[23:24] <lun4tic> you use compiz with kde4?
[23:24] <lun4tic> cause kde4 has its own "compiz"
[23:25] <lun4tic> or do you have ubuntu running?
[23:25] <vertago1> I am using kde4
[23:25] <vertago1> yeah kde has it
[23:25] <lun4tic> then you don't need compiz
[23:25] <lun4tic> cause kde brings its own fancy effects
[23:25] <vertago1> then how do you customize the built in effects?
[23:25] <vertago1> I like compiz because I can actually configure it
[23:26] <hallowname> vertago1: right clik the title bar of any window > configure window behavior > all effects :) kde4 yes?
[23:27] <vertago1> I don't have that option
[23:27] <vertago1> let me switch back to kwin
[23:27] <lun4tic> system settings --> desktop --> all effects
[23:27] <hallowname> vertago1: ah yes, kwin needs to be running ;p
[23:28] <vertago1> how long has that been there?
[23:29] <hallowname> vertago1: since likke 4.0 or 4.1... i dont keep up with kde version i compile mine
[23:30] <lun4tic> so hopefully now nvidia drivers will show up, install and run on usb linux :D
[23:30] <lun4tic> usb kubuntu
[23:30] <pablito> hi
[23:30] <hallowname> vertago1: dont expect wacky plugins tho, no burning windows or anything. simple stuff so far.
[23:31] <vertago1> plasma is still eating up a full core's CPU
[23:31] <vertago1> even on kwin
[23:31] <vertago1> it would be nice to be able to track if it was a widget problem or not
[23:32] <Zirg> Hey Gang. Have a machine here running  6.06.2 LTS  and was wondering, can I use my 8.04 cd and do an 'upgrade' of the system, w/o having to wipe/reinstall?
[23:32] <hallowname> vertago1: you have a rougue plasmoid then. remove them one by one until the 100% usage stops.
[23:32] <lun4tic> vertago1: hm... i'd say it IS a widget problem :D
[23:32] <vertago1> yeah I tried that, didn't stop it
[23:33] <lun4tic> have you deactivated all of them?
[23:33] <vertago1> no, because I still have the bar
[23:33] <lun4tic> at least all the "extra" ones :D
[23:33] <hallowname> vertago1: mhm, does making a new user stop it?
[23:33] <vertago1> I did the extra ones
[23:33] <lun4tic> make a normal default ui
[23:33] <vertago1> let me login to my other user
[23:33] <vertago1> brb
[23:33] <hallowname> vertago1: remover -every- widget and see
[23:33] <lun4tic> if you have still the same problem then it's no widget problem
[23:33] <genii> Zirg: LTS to LTS direct upgrades are supported. Although I'm not sure you can use the 8.04 install cd for this (perhaps with Alternate CD, if at all possible)
[23:34] <Zirg> genii, then i guess my follow-up question would be;  What is the next LTS release (in the 8.x series) that I should dl & use?
[23:35] <genii> Zirg: LTS releases are every 2 years and supported for 3 years on desktop, 5 years on server versions. So 6.06 8.04 10.04 are LTS
[23:35] <wirechief> does the usb stick creator allow for persistence on the usb stick for kubuntu 8.10 ?
[23:36] <Zirg> genii, NOW you lost me. :-(  if 8.04 is LTS, (and that IS what I dropped into the cd-rom), how do I do the upgrade?
[23:37] <Zirg> genii, or is there an option I should have looked for on www.kubuntu.org for a LTS ONLY cd?
[23:37] <wirechief> Zirg  there is a how to in the community docs
[23:37] <Dragnslcr> Zirg- the system you're upgrading doesn't have an Internet connection?
[23:38] <Zirg> Dragnslcr, yeah. it's what I'm on, att.
[23:38] <Dragnslcr> Zirg- also keep in mind that Kubuntu 8.04 is not an LTS release, though Ubuntu 8.04 is
[23:38] <Zirg> OH! Kubuntu vs Ubuntu...
[23:38] <Zirg> Hmmm.
[23:39] <Zirg> I guess I could just pull down the ubuntu 8.04 iso, burn it, and toss KDE on after the upgrade.
[23:39] <vertago1> yeah it is a widget
[23:39] <genii> Zirg: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading-8.04#head-db224ea9add28760e373240f8239afb9b817f197   explains LTS to LTS upgrade (Ubuntu but still applicable)
[23:39] <vertago1> I will let yall know which one when I find it
[23:39] <wirechief> Zirg so the question you have to answer is which do you prefer Gnome or kde
[23:40] <vertago1> I found it
[23:41] <Zirg> wirechief, hands down, KDE. (common response:  'Gnomes belong on rich peoples' lawns, NOT computers!' )    ;-}
[23:41] <vertago1> I am running dual monitors so I made a duplicate bar down at the bottom of the second monitor so that they match, the problem I had is that system tray goes crazy if you run two copies
[23:42] <hallowname> vertago1: good job :) what kde4? 4.2?
[23:42] <vertago1> yeah 4.2
[23:42] <wirechief> Zirg lol , I prefer kde myself but need to test gnome for personal reasons ;)
[23:43] <vertago1> I willl have to look into not using compiz, but I like the deform cube
[23:43] <Zirg> wirechief, Condolenses, Dawg. But I DO understand.
[23:43] <vertago1> arg
[23:43] <vertago1> that wasn't it
[23:43] <vertago1> the cpu jumped back up again
[23:44] <hallowname> vertago1: hm =/ new user has the same problem? or did adding a certain widget back make it jump up again?
[23:44] <lun4tic> can i somehow turn off the stupid konsoles that are open on jaunty live?
[23:44] <lun4tic> i don't need open terminals in textmode
[23:44] <vertago1> hallowname: new user didn't have the problem
[23:44] <vertago1> is wisper /w?
[23:45] <vertago1> brb finding an irc faq
[23:47] <Zirg> genii, Gnarly URL! Looks like I don't even need to dl the ISO and burn it.
[23:47] <genii> vertago1: Private message is like:   /msg theirname themessage      It is considered rude to message someone without their consent first. Also on this network your nickname requires to be registered before you can use the /msg function
[23:48] <genii> Zirg: So long as you're not on dialup, hopefully :)
[23:48] <azzy> does anyone know about cpufreq-info tool ? ive got some question about this
[23:49] <Zirg> genii, naw. it's a rather phat pype i'm on
[23:49] <dennister> hey genii: long time no chat
[23:49] <genii> dennister: I'm usually around :)
[23:50] <dennister> yeah, it's me that takes hiatus's
[23:50]  * genii makes a new pot of coffee
[23:50] <dennister> roflmho
[23:50] <lun4tic> hm...
[23:51] <lun4tic> how can i make a usb "live cd" persistant?
[23:51] <dennister> how busy r u doing the support thing? or do u have time for private chat?
[23:51] <lun4tic> jaunty usb creator made me a working usb stick kubuntu but just like the live cd
[23:51] <genii> lun4tic: You need a special partition name of something like casper-cow or such... lemme look it up
[23:52] <lun4tic> shouldn't usb-creator do that o.O
[23:52] <lun4tic> if yes thats veeeery very bugged :D
[23:52] <genii> Yes it's casper-cow
[23:52] <lun4tic> so i need a partition with that name?
[23:52] <genii> lun4tic: Yup
[23:52] <lun4tic> just an empty one?
[23:53] <katie> hey, firefox freezes all the time for me when data's loading-- has anyone dealt with this?
[23:53] <lun4tic> or do i have to put something on it?
[23:53] <genii> lun4tic: I think it needs to be ext2/3 formatted. The name is most important thing, the livecd or so recognises this is a place to store persistent settings
[23:54] <genii> dennister: You can pm me if you like, I'll be here actively for another hour or so
[23:54] <dennister> katie: firefox is going downhill in terms of reliability, imho...for a while it was freezing my entire system every time I watched a video...always at the same place in the stream
[23:54] <lun4tic> hm.. and shouldn't the start menu of my usb stick show something like "start kubuntu persistant"?
[23:54] <katie> dennister: it seems like galeon does it too, though
[23:55] <lun4tic> or does that only work if i start usb-creator and have the casüer-cow partition allready set up?
[23:55] <dennister> not familiar with galeon, I'm afraid
[23:55] <Zirg> genii, anyhow, Thank You Very Much. This machine is updating so I'm gonna wander off and go do other stuff. It's gonna be over an hour for all the files to come down, so I can yank the board in my machine and get the replacement in. Again, TY!
[23:56] <genii> lun4tic: Not sure with usb-creator method. On livecd it just auto sees that a writeable area with that name exists and uses it
[23:56] <lun4tic> k
[23:57] <libervisco> buggy buggy buggy, kde is always buggy... every single time I tried there was some sort of a problem
[23:58] <libervisco> I'm gonna try and stick with it tho
[23:58] <lun4tic> does it need casper-cow or casper-rw?
[23:58] <wirechief> libervisco: what version of kde
[23:58] <libervisco> can't add widgets to the panel now, the widget window just crashes without question
[23:58] <libervisco> 4.2.2
[23:58] <lun4tic> cause i have a tutorial in which it is called casper-rw
[23:58] <genii> lun4tic: According to http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/ubuntu-linux-live-cd-save-data-desktop-information-on-usb-device.html it's casper-cow
[23:59] <lun4tic> thx