[00:00] <pwnguin> sure, it peaks at 72 MB, but it spends a lot of time at very poorly
[00:01] <pwnguin> i guess technically, readahead may be fine, but the fs is fragmented or otherwise problematic. 5 seconds spinning your wheels is junk
[00:02] <GAZRA> Hello, I just installed Kubuntu Jaunty beta, and it is great, the only problem so far is that when I start Kontact, I get a window with some errors about the akonadi server.
[00:02] <GAZRA> Can someone please tell me what is that, and if it' really needed by kontact?
[00:02] <BUGabundo> pwnguin: low disk space! it's a 10GiBs partition for /
[00:03] <pwnguin> BUGabundo: i almost think there should be a cutoff for small file sizes
[00:04] <pwnguin> if you're gonna seek for just one block, you may as well do that during the relatively more cpu intensive boot phase
[00:05] <pwnguin> BUGabundo: if you actually care about speeding things up, jdong had a neat tar trick to rewrite the readahead files
[00:06] <pwnguin> also, you're running encryption on xfs?
[00:06] <BUGabundo> nope
[00:07] <BUGabundo> or better yes... encfs for a single folder
[00:07] <BUGabundo> not the entire FS
[00:07] <pwnguin> ah
[00:07] <pwnguin> silly progress
[00:07] <BUGabundo> how did you know?
[00:07] <pwnguin> cryptomgr probe
[00:08] <pwnguin> and later, xfs starts up
[00:13] <funkyHat> I'm getting pidgin crashing when it tries to sign in to MSN, but apport isn't starting up to collect the crash data anymore :/ anyone know why that might be?
[00:13] <funkyHat> (sorry for repeating my question from earlier, but it looks a little more alive in here now)
[00:16] <wirechief> funkyHat: somelse reported a similar issue today.
[00:17] <wirechief> their might be a launchpad bug for it.
[00:17] <BUGabundo> funkyHat: you mean bug bug 357949 ?
[00:17] <Barridus> hi guys, any idea what's up with update notifications?  i've gotten 0 since installing the beta.
[00:17] <BUGabundo> Barridus: what apps are you using, that actually use it ?
[00:17] <Barridus> nor do i get the "gray arrow synaptic is working on something" notifier either
[00:17] <BUGabundo> pidgin, evolution? volume ?
[00:18] <Barridus> i have everything included in the beta, including those
[00:18] <Barridus> i'm used to hardy (and intrepid) where you'd get a notice about security (kernels, etc) and bugfixes.  in jaunty, nothing.
[00:18] <funkyHat> BUGabundo: no, I think it's still bug 354605
[00:19] <funkyHat> hm
[00:19] <funkyHat> switched it to public
[00:19] <BUGabundo> you mean bug bug 332945
[00:21] <Barridus> BUGabundo, any idea what "high, won't fix" means?  does that just mean it's a hotspot of debate?
[00:21] <Barridus> "high interest, don't do anything yet" or something basically?
[00:22] <BUGabundo> it means that Canonical/DX/Mark and Users don't agree
[00:23] <Barridus> BUGabundo, no chance of offering both options?  i haven't followed an ubuntu beta debate before
[00:23] <MinusSeven> I have two hard drives, when I install Kubuntu 9.04 Beta, and use the entire slave drive, it only gives me the option of installing GRUB on the slave hard drive, therefore when I reboot, it just boots into Windows.
[00:24] <Duckthis> Hey guys, I am in tropuble
[00:24] <bruce89> !ask
[00:24] <Barridus> BUGabundo, and ironically, i never got this supposed "popup window" that was discussed.
[00:24] <BUGabundo> MinusSeven: sudo grub-install /dev/sdaX where X is the windows disk?
[00:24] <BUGabundo> Barridus: I run UM so many times a day, it doesn't get the change too
[00:24] <MinusSeven> how do I get into Kubuntu to do that?
[00:24] <Duckthis> It says that "libc6-dev" package is broken. So I can not install updates!
[00:25] <BUGabundo> MinusSeven: no need. you just need a CLI or TTY
[00:25] <BUGabundo> or use a liveCD/USB
[00:25] <MinusSeven> ok
[00:25] <MinusSeven> i'll try that
[00:25] <MinusSeven> brb
[00:25] <BUGabundo> or change BIOS boot order too
[00:25] <Barridus> BUGabundo, oh well it's a minor issue for me (but my only one so far with jaunty), i'll live either way.  just wanted to make sure i wasn't doing it wrong somehow or missing a toolbar applet
[00:25] <MinusSeven> ok
[00:25] <BUGabundo> MINOR?
[00:26] <FoxBlitzz> frogonwheels: It's actually turning out to be an ALSA issue, it seems
[00:26] <Duckthis> Who can help me with my broken package?
[00:26] <Barridus> BUGabundo, well speaking for myself as i know enough to do it manually.  don't really want to enter the debate fully (i do have my opinion on what's best for the average user)
[00:27] <Barridus> BUGabundo, i am of the opinion ubuntu gets a wide demographic including novice and expert, if that's a hint of what i prefer
[00:27] <Duckthis> Who can help me with my broken package? (libc6-dev) I can not install updates!
[00:27] <FoxBlitzz> Ugh, I must have screwed up editing alsa-base?
[00:28] <BUGabundo> Duckthis: you got a libc6 broken?
[00:28] <Duckthis> no
[00:28] <BUGabundo> damn... hope its just you
[00:28] <FoxBlitzz> Now I don't have any sound devices. :S
[00:28] <Duckthis> BUGabundo: Only libc6-dev
[00:28] <BUGabundo> I still remember gutsy libc6 breakage
[00:28] <BUGabundo> ahhh better
[00:28] <BUGabundo> Duckthis: pastebin versinon
[00:29] <BUGabundo> Duckthis: $ apt-cache policy libc6-dev | pastebinit
[00:29] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/147969/
[00:29] <Duckthis> BUGabundo: Sorry but I'm Linux since a week. Can you explain?
[00:30] <Barridus> and too many popups leads to ... desensitivity to potentially important ones, training people to just accept everything.  also see:  Vista UAC ;)
[00:30] <BUGabundo> Duckthis: sorry...
[00:30] <BUGabundo> we never know who is on that side
[00:31] <Duckthis> BUGabundo: Do not be sorry, I have to. ;)
[00:31] <BUGabundo> Duckthis: run on a console: apt-cache policy libc6-dev
[00:31] <BUGabundo> then copy it, and paste it to a pastebin
[00:31] <BUGabundo>  !paste
[00:31] <BUGabundo> then give us the link
[00:31] <Duckthis> duckthis@duckthis-laptop:~$ apt-cache policy libc6-dev
[00:31] <Duckthis> libc6-dev:
[00:31] <Duckthis>   Installé : 2.9-4ubuntu6
[00:31] <Duckthis>   Candidat : 2.9-4ubuntu6
[00:31] <Duckthis>  Table de version :
[00:31] <Duckthis>  *** 2.9-4ubuntu6 0
[00:31] <Duckthis>         500 http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages
[00:31] <Duckthis>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[00:31] <Duckthis> Woops
[00:31] <Barridus> ;)
[00:33] <Duckthis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/147972/
[00:34] <Barridus> BUGabundo, you mentioned a "DX" faction earlier in the disagreement.  What is that exactly?
[00:34] <BUGabundo> Desktop Experience
[00:34] <Barridus> ah, thanks
[00:34] <Duckthis> BUGabundo: So did http://paste.ubuntu.com/147972/ is ok?
[00:34] <BUGabundo> its a (canonical)Team that is providing the work for the new design
[00:35] <Barridus> i do hope a resolution is reached where two options or applets are offered
[00:35] <BUGabundo> Duckthis: you have the same version as me
[00:35] <BUGabundo> don't see what could be wrong with it
[00:35] <Barridus> as i can see the merits of both methods depending on which side of the poweruser spectrum the user is on
[00:35] <BUGabundo> Duckthis: can you pastebin this: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:36] <Duckthis> I paste it in console and paste report at paste.ubuntu.com?
[00:36] <BUGabundo> Barridus: no "resolution" will be tehre. Mark already set it TWICE as WontFix
[00:36] <BUGabundo> Duckthis: yes.. just if errors occur
[00:36] <BUGabundo> hey Hew. welcome
[00:36] <Barridus> BUGabundo, ok then i'll can it on the subject XD
[00:37] <Duckthis> BUGabundo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/147980/
[00:37] <Barridus> i guess i was just utilizing the linux skill of being overly opinionated XD
[00:37] <BUGabundo> E: Impossible de verrouiller /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Ressource temporairement non disponible)
[00:37] <BUGabundo> ahh there's the culprid
[00:38] <BUGabundo> Duckthis: is Update Manager and Synaptic closed?
[00:38] <BUGabundo> pastebin $ ps waux | grep apt
[00:39] <Duckthis> BUGabundo: Hmm
[00:39] <Duckthis> BUGabundo: I exited Synaptic and I did redo the previous commant.
[00:40] <BUGabundo> ok
[00:40] <Duckthis> BUGabundo: And I get it
[00:40] <Duckthis> BUGabundo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/147982/
[00:41] <Barridus> Duckthis, for reference, i think "software sources" can also lock it.  since it's just an alternate way into part of synaptic
[00:41] <BUGabundo> don't worry
[00:41] <BUGabundo> its still building
[00:41] <BUGabundo> or your Mirror is slow syncing
[00:41] <BUGabundo> change *temporarily* to MAIN
[00:41] <BUGabundo> and run $ update-manager -d
[00:42] <Barridus> -d is distro updates, right?
[00:42] <BUGabundo> won't do much here
[00:42] <bruce89> development
[00:42] <Barridus> like hardy -> intrepid
[00:42] <Barridus> oh
[00:42] <BUGabundo> just force any old update
[00:42] <bruce89> checks for devel "releases", not final ones
[00:43] <Barridus> i've never done that, do you think i should?  (everything seems to work)
[00:43] <Barridus> nm, it says nothing
[00:44] <BUGabundo> Barridus: nope... no need
[00:44] <Duckthis> BUGabundo: How do I refresh my update list?
[00:44] <Hew> BUGabundo: Hi
[00:44] <Barridus> ok, i just like learning stuff from other people's questions and the pro's solutions :)
[00:45] <BUGabundo> Duckthis: apt-get update, or update-manager button Check
[00:45] <Barridus> this is exciting for me
[00:45]  * BUGabundo hopes the "pro" was not at him
[00:46] <Duckthis> BUGabundo: Hmm. I'm still gettin' a Broken package error
[00:46] <Barridus> BUGabundo, anyone that answers something i don't know yet is "pro".  it's all relative, friend :D
[00:46] <kaptengu> how can I turn off ipv6 in jaunty? seems like /etc/modprobe.d/aliases is not there anymore...
[00:47] <BUGabundo> kaptengu: you can't... its complied into the kernel
[00:47] <BUGabundo> Duckthis: give it a few hours
[00:47] <BUGabundo> if it still fails tomorrow, then you need to fix it
[00:47] <BUGabundo> by the way
[00:47] <BUGabundo> what says synaptic for it, when you select the fix broken package?
[00:48] <kaptengu> BUGabundo: ok, thanks for the answer
[00:48] <BUGabundo> kaptengu: I know... not the one you wanted
[00:48] <Duckthis> BUGabundo: I try to update libc6 from Synaptic. (dependency)
[00:49] <bruce89> Duckthis: see what aptitude says, it may be useful
[00:49] <Duckthis> BUGabundo: I receive «E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.9-4ubuntu6_i386.deb: le sous-processus pre-installation script a retourné une erreur de sortie d'état 1»
[00:50] <BUGabundo> that's new
[00:50] <BUGabundo> I HOPE its not a new bug
[00:50] <BUGabundo> I'm sick and tired of bad packages this cycle
[00:50] <BUGabundo> Duckthis: sudo apt-get clean
[00:51]  * BUGabundo runs UM just to be sure
[00:51] <bruce89> BUGabundo: Ubuntu's no Debian
[00:51] <BUGabundo> lol
[00:52] <Duckthis> BUGabundo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/147986/
[00:53] <BUGabundo> Duckthis: you MUST have some other app using apt
[00:53] <spaceBARbarian> would this partition setup be good in terms of space ? 4GB for '/' ; 4GB for '/var' ;  10GB for '/usr' ; 20GB for '/home'
[00:53] <BUGabundo> are you sure synaptic is closed?
[00:53] <Duckthis> BUGabundo: How do I know that?
[00:53] <BUGabundo> spaceBARbarian: do you *really* need to separate it?
[00:53] <bruce89> Duckthis: ps -A
[00:53] <BUGabundo> since hardy that you can reinstall without the need to format, so no need for /home on diff partition
[00:54] <BUGabundo> Duckthis: pastebin $ ps waux | grep apt
[00:54] <zash> separate /home is a good thing
[00:54] <BUGabundo> zash: is it? why?
[00:54] <Barridus> spaceBARbarian, i usually just make a seperate /boot of like 100MB and everything else on / (unless i have a lot of drive space then i do /home too)
[00:54] <BUGabundo> I would like to hear a convincing argumenton current Ubuntu
[00:54] <BUGabundo> Barridus: 100MiBs is too small
[00:55] <Barridus> BUGabundo, holds 3 kernels
[00:55] <zash> BUGabundo: my /boot is 13M
[00:55] <BUGabundo> 22M	/boot/
[00:55] <Duckthis> BUGabundo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/147988/
[00:55] <bruce89> what's the advantage of a seperate /boot partition?
[00:55] <zash> BUGabundo: separation of concern at least
[00:56] <bruce89> Duckthis: remove the grep bit, and paste again
[00:56] <funkyHat> bruce89: needed for encrypted /, and possibly for lvm (although I think newer grubs can handle lvm /boot)
[00:56] <Barridus> bruce89, i've read booting from ext3 and ext4 boot partition is complicated, and i've found it can be easier to get a handle on your kernels in case of recovery
[00:56] <Barridus> so i do a 100M ext2 for boot
[00:56] <BUGabundo> bruce89: historicly diff FS for GRUB
[00:57] <bruce89> BUGabundo: ah
[00:57] <bruce89> I'm lazy, only having a seperate /home
[00:57] <BUGabundo> but GRUB(2) is capable of booting just about anything, incluing ext4 and XFS
[00:57] <BUGabundo> LVM is a bit trickier
[00:57] <BUGabundo> Duckthis: can you reboot and try again?
[00:57]  * bruce89 uses grub2
[00:58] <Barridus> BUGabundo, that's what i've heard about Grub2.  but i prefer keeping it simple atm
[00:58] <BUGabundo> something is wrong and I can't put my finger on it
[00:58] <Duckthis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/147989/
[00:58] <BUGabundo> bruce89: we ALL do... its what jaunty has
[00:58] <Duckthis> BUGabundo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/147989/
[00:58] <bruce89> BUGabundo: really?
[00:58] <spaceBARbarian> crdlb: i do seem to know what
[00:58] <BUGabundo> yep
[00:58] <bjsnider> bruce89, you use grub2?
[00:58] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: we *all* do
[00:58] <crdlb> spaceBARbarian: that you're supposed to be in here
[00:58] <spaceBARbarian> crdlb: i am already in here :)
[00:59] <Barridus> wait i've been using grub2 this whole time?
[00:59] <bjsnider> you all have tremendous gonads
[00:59] <godrik> hello guys
[00:59] <Barridus> i'm lost.  i appear to have package "grub".  grub2 is not installed
[00:59] <Barridus> or grub2 is a dummy package?
[01:00] <Duckthis> BUGabundo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/147989/
[01:01] <bruce89> Duckthis: anything going insane on top?
[01:01] <BUGabundo> Duckthis: I can't see anything there
[01:01] <BUGabundo> I guess the lock get left behing
[01:01] <Duckthis> BUGabundo: What?!?
[01:01] <BUGabundo> try removing it by force
[01:01] <bjsnider> is it easy to use at this point?
[01:02] <bruce89> Duckthis: it appears as if debconf is doing something odd
[01:02] <bruce89> /usr/bin/perl -w /usr/share/debconf/frontend /usr/sbin/update-grub
[01:02] <BUGabundo> missed that
[01:02] <Barridus> what's the command to check a package's version?
[01:02] <BUGabundo> too sleppy
[01:02] <Duckthis> bruce89: So what do I do?
[01:02] <BUGabundo> Barridus: apt-cache policy PACKAGENAME
[01:02] <pwnguin> BUGabundo: apt-cache policy pkg-name
[01:03] <pwnguin> doh
[01:03] <BUGabundo> ehh
[01:03]  * BUGabundo types 26 WPM
[01:03]  * pwnguin types 90WPM
[01:03] <bruce89> Duckthis: you could try killing the process
[01:03] <pwnguin> with massive autocomplete errors ;)
[01:04] <funkyHat> pwnguin: autocomplete doesn't count ;P
[01:04] <Duckthis> bruce89: Which process?
[01:04] <bruce89> Duckthis: sudo kill 10277
[01:04] <Barridus> !paste
[01:04] <bruce89> debconf
[01:05] <Barridus> ok i'm confused about my grub.  grubfused?  congrubbed?  this make any sense to someone smarter than myself? http://paste.ubuntu.com/147994/
[01:05] <BUGabundo> pwnguin: LOL
[01:06] <pwnguin> funkyHat: well, i do test around 80, but wanted to point out that autocomplete hit the wrong guy ;)
[01:06] <bruce89> Barridus: you're using grub-legacy
[01:06] <pwnguin> well, its time to go do taxes or something productive
[01:07] <Barridus> bruce89, should i change that?  other than more bootable FS, is there a point if my computer works fine?
[01:07] <Barridus> and if i tried to switch, would that herald the end of all things?
[01:07] <bruce89> Barridus: not unless you want a nice grub menu screen
[01:07] <Barridus> maybe i'll give it a shot if i ever reistall.  thanks for the info.
[01:08] <Barridus> reinstall*
[01:09] <Barridus> wildcards do not work with apt-cache policy?
[01:09] <Barridus> W: Unable to locate package grub*
[01:10] <BUGabundo> nope
[01:12] <Barridus> ok another question that popped into my head.  apt-get deals with online sources, and apt-cache just deals with what you have installed or whatever package data you got with apt-get update?
[01:13] <BUGabundo> not exactly
[01:14] <BUGabundo> apt-get is a front end to fetch packages and throw them at dpkg
[01:14] <BUGabundo> apt-cache is a front end to the APT DB
[01:14] <frogonwheels> apt-cache more deals with viewing/manipulating the cache
[01:14] <Barridus> ok, gotcha on that
[01:14] <BUGabundo> very very OT, but here it is http://bugabundo.jaiku.com/presence/52088074
[01:14] <Barridus> ok, i figured that, but i don't know what's exactly cached
[01:15] <BUGabundo> Barridus: ls -l /var/cache/apt/archive
[01:16] <Barridus> ls: cannot access /var/cache/apt/archive: No such file or directory
[01:16] <Barridus> (even sudo'ed)
[01:16] <Halow> It's archives.
[01:16] <Halow> /var/cache/apt/archives
[01:17] <BUGabundo> typo
[01:17] <Barridus> ok that's useful knowledge, thanks
[01:17] <BUGabundo> Fri Apr 10 00:17:16 UTC 2009
[01:17] <Barridus> both of you
[01:17] <thiebaude> BUGabundo: i have a question
[01:18] <Halow> I do it all the time. ;P I was just helpin him see. :)
[01:18] <Barridus> nice apt diagram as well, bookmarked.
[01:18] <thiebaude> on the options>sessions before login how do i add an menu item not already there
[01:19] <Barridus> brb, testing something
[01:19] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: /me is confused... make a picture
[01:20] <thiebaude> before i login on the options menu
[01:20] <thiebaude> then sessions, i need to add an item
[01:21] <thiebaude> i installed aewm and evilwm and they are the only ones that dont appear on the sessions menu
[01:23] <BUGabundo> ahh
[01:23] <BUGabundo> now I see it
[01:23] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: sorry can't help you out.... never messed with that
[01:23] <BUGabundo> ask on #ubuntu
[01:23] <thiebaude> ok thanks anyway
[01:23] <thiebaude> yea i did no one responded
[01:24] <BUGabundo> tuff luck
[01:24] <BUGabundo> try the ML
[01:25] <bruce89> thiebaude: you need to add something somewhere which I'd have found if you hadn't just left as I typed this
[01:25] <BUGabundo> eheheehh
[01:26] <BUGabundo> bruce89: memoserv him
[01:26] <bruce89> BUGabundo: um?
[01:27] <Duckthis> BUGabundo you still there?
[01:27] <BUGabundo> Duckthis: I'm always somewhere
[01:27] <Duckthis> BUGabundo Ok. Many times i'm getting "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[01:27] <Duckthis> "
[01:27] <BUGabundo> not good
[01:28] <BUGabundo> $ sudo dpkg --configure -a
[01:28] <BUGabundo> try that
[01:28] <Duckthis> same result
[01:28] <Duckthis> Maybe a process is still blocking that folder?
[01:30] <BUGabundo> after reboot? it shouldn't
[01:30] <Barridus> bhmmm.  why would pidgin autostart, when it's not set to in Startup Applications, and "Remember Running Apps" is unchecked there as well.  Maybe UNR (which i am running?)
[01:30] <Barridus> !unr
[01:30] <Barridus> !UNR
[01:31] <Barridus> !facepalm
[01:31] <BUGabundo> Barridus: stop please
[01:31] <BUGabundo> don't abuse the bot
[01:31] <Duckthis> !help
[01:32] <luo> excuse me, I use Ubuntu9.10. When I and a new user, it's unluky the Tab auto-completion is not working, and then i find the .bashrc not working too. so someone give me some help?
[01:32] <Barridus> not trying to, is there a way to see his knowledge command list?
[01:33] <BUGabundo> luo: LOL you can't. it aint out yet
[01:33] <Barridus> nm
[01:33] <luo> ?
[01:33] <BUGabundo> luo: we are still trying to get 9.04 out the doot
[01:33] <BUGabundo> *door
[01:33] <luo> :(
[01:33] <BUGabundo> luo: Joking. you said 9.10
[01:33] <bjsnider> 9.10 would be october of 2009. that hasn't happened yet
[01:34] <luo> sorry, it's 8.10
[01:34] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: it will. in one month time. see you all there
[01:34] <bjsnider> unless i'm the victim of a planet-wide joke
[01:34] <luo> :)
[01:34] <bruce89> !botabuse
[01:34] <luo> 8.10
[01:34] <BUGabundo> luo: ibex support is in #ubuntu
[01:35] <Tylor> I'm having a bit of a problem with 9.04. My CPU usage seems to be stuck at around 70% on both cores. I can't fine any reason as to why this is happening. Can anyone help?
[01:35] <BUGabundo> Tylor: what CPU is it?
[01:35] <bjsnider> try running top in a terminal
[01:35] <Tylor> useing Ubuntu
[01:35] <BUGabundo> and install and run atop
[01:35] <Tylor> BUGabundo, AMD Athlon 64 X2 TK-57
[01:35]  * BUGabundo finds atop much more powerful then top
[01:36] <BUGabundo> Tylor: good stuff no reason for hogging
[01:36] <BUGabundo> please run atop, and press 'c'
[01:36] <BUGabundo> to see top CPU usage
[01:36] <chrisccoulson> nice system tray BUGabundo ;)
[01:36] <BUGabundo> eheh
[01:36] <BUGabundo> chrisccoulson: already got it?
[01:37] <BUGabundo> you guys are email freaks
[01:37] <Tylor> 3728  13% /usr/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp
[01:37] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i just got the e-mail
[01:37] <BUGabundo> I still have an HUGE backlog
[01:37] <chrisccoulson> that's quite funny;)
[01:37] <BUGabundo> chrisccoulson: do you think I made my point ?
[01:37] <chrisccoulson> quite possibly!
[01:37] <BUGabundo> Tylor: that's just X
[01:37] <BUGabundo> what GPU do you have? INTEL?
[01:38] <BUGabundo> chrisccoulson: I had to remove the App menu... no longer fited
[01:38] <BUGabundo> cwillu: kiss kiss
[01:38] <chrisccoulson> do you not use 2 bars?
[01:38]  * BUGabundo ducks
[01:38] <cwillu> hi
[01:38] <BUGabundo> chrisccoulson: not enough room for it
[01:38] <BUGabundo> 13.3" at 1280x800
[01:38] <Tylor> BUGabundo, its using the most cpu power. Like I said, I cant find a reason for the usage. I've watched top for the last 10 min. The problem has been happening for an hour and a half.
[01:39] <BUGabundo> Tylor: but your atop line only showed 13%
[01:39] <chrisccoulson> that's quite limited for vertical space really.
[01:39] <chrisccoulson> PC monitors should be orientated in portrait mode;)
[01:39] <BUGabundo> chrisccoulson: yeah
[01:39] <BUGabundo> LOL
[01:39] <chrisccoulson> i always need more vertical space than horizontal
[01:41] <Barridus> chrisccoulson, try enabling the show/hide arrows on your panel(s).  i get by quite nicely on a 1024x600 netbook with those and alt-draging stuff up.
[01:41] <chrisccoulson> thanks for the tip
[01:42] <Tylor> BUGabundo, this is what my cpu shows. CPU | sys     34% | user     76% | irq       0% | idle     89% | wait      0% |. with the top user being X at only 5% right now.
[01:42] <Barridus> (alt-drag let's you drag beyond the upper Y barrier if you are afflicted by it)
[01:43] <bjsnider> Tylor, why do you think your cpu is contantly at 70%
[01:44] <Barridus> Tylor, are you still running the graphical system monitor?  it uses a relatively high amount of cpu in and of itself
[01:44] <Tylor> bjsnider, after watching the system monitor tray icon, and top for the last 20 min, i came to that conclusion. It dropped to 50% once that i caught in that time.
[01:44] <Barridus> if you are using atop, can the graphical monitor
[01:45] <Tylor> Barridus, No, I havent been using the graphical monitor. And the tray icon hasent caused a problem, even since I upgraded. This started happening after the latest apt-get upgrade.
[01:46] <Barridus> have you tried closing the tray icon?  it uses the same libraries as the graphical.  just try closing anything that monitors cpu and is not atop
[01:47] <Tylor> Barridus, No change. Only thing open is this and a terminal with atop.
[01:47] <Barridus> no sense to really have one monitor monitoring another, at least until you eliminate the possibility that one of them is partly to blame for the cpu hogging
[01:47] <Barridus> ok worth a thought.  sorry :)
[01:48] <Barridus> the gnome monitor uses like 30%-40% cpu on my current machine with the latest builds, thought you might also be afflicted
[01:49] <Tylor> With all the processes that atop is listing that are taking any % of CPU, it should only be running at around 25% for user, yet it is averaging 80% right now.
[01:49] <bjsnider> Tylor, in system monitor, what happens if you select all process, not just your own, and then reorder the list by cpu usage?
[01:50] <Tylor> bjsnider, top one is the system monitor at 7%
[01:50] <Tylor> bjsnider, next is xorg at 3%
[01:51] <Tylor> I've also got my CPU scaling set on performance.
[01:52] <roman> Hey guys... somehow i can't access the kde style controls with the command "kcmshell style" like in earlier versions of ubuntu, though the kdelibs are installed properly, any ideas on how to fix this?
[01:54] <bjsnider> Tylor, what graphics card?
[01:55] <Tylor> bjsnider, Nvidia Geforce 7000M
[01:55] <Tylor> bjsnider, Using the 180 propriatary drivers
[02:00] <Tylor> bjsnider, It just started happening after the last reboot.
[02:01] <bjsnider> Tylor, tried rebooting again, have you?
[02:01] <Tylor> bjsnider, I did updates, shutdown when work was done, came home and it was still doing it.
[02:02] <Tylor> bjsnider, I'll try now. BRB.
[02:03] <ccooke> Fun. update-manager bombs out when trying a partial upgrade :-)
[02:04] <roman> just a general question: if jaunty gets released, is it possible to upgrade from the beta with no drawbacks afterwards?
[02:04] <roman> or do i have to reinstall
[02:05] <bruce89> no
[02:05] <roman> no to the first question? ;)
[02:06] <bruce89> second
[02:07] <Tylor> bjsnider, No change.
[02:08] <kaptengu> seems like the chains in ufw have been messed up...
[02:10] <Tylor> It very frustrating. Nothing I kill seems to have any affect.
[02:11] <Ienorand> re: !topic: Is hotkey-setup still mirroring? Wasn't that fixed some time ago now?
[02:32] <makario> Hey. How stable is the beta? (I know, I know. It's a beta.) Is it usable for day-to-day use until the 23?
[02:32] <makario> Someone lent me an external drive for the night, and I was thinking about going ahead and backing up my stuff and formating to ext4 while I had the chance.
[02:33] <bruce89> makario: as long as you know how to break breakage, it's fine
[02:34] <makario> bruce89: Heh. How often do things break?
[02:34] <bruce89> makario: not very, gdm went funny for me today
[02:35] <bjsnider> Tylor, try this. go to a vitual terminal, run killall gdm, then tun top. see if there's any change
[02:37] <rustlerharv> anyone have the tracker-indexer thing taking up 100% cpu
[02:37] <bruce89> rustlerharv: yes, some bug
[02:37] <rustlerharv> k
[02:37] <rustlerharv> i have yet to find a use for that thing
[02:39] <Ienorand> makario: There was a few things initially, quite serious but easily configured. Since then no major things, and I'm on ext4.
[02:39] <makario> Hm. Intrepid won't work at all on ext4, right?
[02:45] <unixdawg> ok having a major issue with audio not working
[02:45] <J-_> Is anyone else having a problem with their wireless/ wired internet?
[02:45] <unixdawg> it was working now audious and dragon and mplayer have no audio
[02:46] <J-_> I can't ping my router with a wired connection. Go to try and ping my router with wireless, and I get 100% packet loss, and 6 errors.
[02:47] <J-_> Though my internet is working
[02:47] <J-_> I'm on wireless right now.
[02:48] <J-_> Hopefully my card didn't crap out.
[02:49] <J-_> Wow, I have 174mb of upgrades. Hopefully something fixes the problems I'm having
[02:49] <Ienorand> J-_: What does "sudo ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.1" give you?
[02:49] <J-_> Ienorand: Nothing.
[02:49] <dtchen> unixdawg: are you running *current* jaunty?
[02:50] <J-_> Err. Wait a minute. I'm on wireless. Ienorand
[02:50] <dtchen> makario: not the default kernels, no.
[02:50] <unixdawg> yes
[02:50] <dtchen> unixdawg: use alsamixer to check your volumes
[02:50] <unixdawg> kubuntu jaunty jackalope
[02:50] <Ienorand> J-_: Is this a recent thing or has it been throguhout jaunty?
[02:51] <J-_> Ienorand: Let me upgrade the packages that need upgrading. Once the upgrades are done, I'll try it. It's very recent.
[02:52] <J-_> Hopefully my card isn't fried.
[02:52] <unixdawg> it shows all fine
[02:52] <unixdawg> but none of my apps are getting audio
[02:53] <Tylor> bjsnider, cpu utilization was at 1% with gdm killed.
[02:53] <bjsnider> Tylor, try turning off desktop effects if you were using compiz. go back to metacity and check
[02:54] <Tylor> bjsnider, I am using no visual effects.
[02:54] <Ienorand> J-_: Hmm, could be you are seeng the same thing as one popeye here before... he was getting messages: SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address when doing that...
[02:56] <J-_> Ienorand: I've had Jaunty since alpha 5. Once Beta 6 hit, I wanted to try Debian. I tried debian for a bit, it worked well; I used firmware-iwlwifi from their repos, everything worked well. After that, I told myself I'd go back to Jaunty because I couldn't configure the config files in Debian. Finally, came back to Jaunty. Connected to my router fine after installation. Now for some reason, I can't ping, or go to my router via it's IP with w
[02:57] <Ienorand> J-_: So what does "sudo dhclient eth0" do for you?
[02:57] <J-_> Ienorand: It also says in nm-applet below wired network, "Device not Managed"
[02:58] <J-_> I'm still downloading updated. Hold on.
[02:58] <J-_> 3 minutes left.
[02:58] <bjsnider> dtchen, can you look at a build log failure for me?
[02:58] <dtchen> bjsnider: in a sec
[03:00] <Ienorand> J-_: Ok... regarding the nm, do you use some manual config? ( I am currently using a manual config which bypasses nm and I get the same thing...)
[03:00] <unixdawg> ok it bitches about the audio driver and says falling back to pulseaudio
[03:01] <bjsnider> Tylor, you could try wiping out your ~/.gconf directory. it will return your gnome desktop settings to defaults. that might solve it.
[03:02] <J-_> Ienorand: No.
[03:02] <dtchen> unixdawg: ah, so you're using pulseaudio
[03:02] <Tylor> bjsnider, BRB
[03:03] <dtchen> unixdawg: please install pavucontrol and check the sink that the playing stream is using
[03:03] <unixdawg> ok it seems the ati ixp driver is screwed again
[03:03] <unixdawg> not it fails over to pulse
[03:03] <unixdawg> I did not set it for pules
[03:03] <unixdawg> it seems the ati ixp driver is not working
[03:03] <maco> that's because pulse is automatically used if you have it
[03:04] <unixdawg> it should not over ride alsa
[03:04] <J-_> That was a massive upgrade.
[03:04] <zj3t3mju> hi
[03:04] <Tylor> bjsnider, That seemed to fix it.
[03:05] <bjsnider> i'm really not unglad
[03:05] <Tylor> bjsnider, lol Thanks for the help.
[03:05] <zj3t3mju> my jaunty auto mute volume after reboot, is there a way to fix?
[03:06] <bjsnider> that happened to me too
[03:06] <J-_> Ienorand: Brb, need to restart.
[03:06] <bjsnider> master channel muted after reboot
[03:07] <unixdawg> ok how to make it load the ati driver again
[03:07] <dtchen> unixdawg: just disable autospawn, then killall pulseaudio
[03:07] <zj3t3mju> :|
[03:07] <unixdawg> lspci?
[03:07] <dtchen> unixdawg: see /etc/pulse/client.conf
[03:08] <unixdawg> ok why did it just break
[03:08] <unixdawg> it was woorking until i upgraded today
[03:08] <dtchen> unixdawg: because you installed pulseaudio
[03:08] <unixdawg> it was already installed
[03:08] <dtchen> so what precisely is broken?
[03:08] <zj3t3mju> is safe to remove pulse?
[03:08] <dtchen> you haven't provided any debugging output for me
[03:08] <dtchen> zj3t3mju: sure
[03:09] <bjsnider> this never happens at microsoft. customers never get to complain directly to the guys who maintina the software
[03:09] <unixdawg> ok audio awas working fine I upgraded 1 hour ago and then my ati ixp sound card stopped working
[03:09] <unixdawg> what is there to show
[03:09] <dtchen> unixdawg: everything.
[03:10] <dtchen> unixdawg: ubuntu-bug pulseaudio
[03:10] <dtchen> unixdawg: what you've done is the equivalent of "doctor, my leg hurts, tell me why."
[03:10] <bjsnider> hahahaa
[03:10] <unixdawg> I did not set it to use pulse audiop
[03:11] <dtchen> unixdawg: phonon is configured by default to fall back to pulseaudio if it's running when the raw ALSA device is busy
[03:11] <unixdawg> it was installed when the system was installed but never used I always used alsa
[03:11] <unixdawg> I am using kubuntu jaunty
[03:11] <unixdawg> and it was working fine until today
[03:11] <dtchen> unixdawg: and things have changed. welcome to jaunty.
[03:12] <dtchen> seriously, please run `ubuntu-bug pulseaudio'
[03:12] <dtchen> i don't want to waste any time guessing what's broken
[03:13] <J-_> Now, trying to upgrade again, flashplugin-nonfree gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad indicator-applet indicator-messages are held back. And, I still can't ping my router. Time to connect to my wired connection.
[03:13] <dtchen> J-_: you likely need to purge flashplugin-nonfree and reinstall it after the rest of the distribution upgrade completes
[03:14] <bjsnider> dtchen, can you look at the build log now?
[03:14] <unixdawg> it wont let me setup a account on the lauchpad site
[03:14] <zj3t3mju> indicator-applet upgrade solve the bug :)
[03:14] <unixdawg> ]what do you want out of it
[03:14] <dtchen> unixdawg: what error message do you receive from LP?
[03:15] <Ienorand> J-_: Btw if you need to upgrade those you can do it explicitly though synaptics...
[03:15] <dtchen> bjsnider: pastebin url?
[03:15] <maco> unixdawg: so make a lp account before you run ubuntu-bug
[03:15] <bjsnider> dtchen, this is just the relevant part, not the cruft: http://pastebin.com/d8409752
[03:16] <unixdawg> it crashes everytime I get to try to setup the account.
[03:16] <unixdawg> this is killing me I need the audio now as I have to be on a call
[03:16] <maco> what crashes?
[03:16] <unixdawg> mozzila
[03:16] <maco> uninstall whatever plugin sucks?
[03:16] <maco> or use konqueror
[03:17] <maco> you're on kubuntu afterall!
[03:17] <unixdawg> back in a bit I have to go call in to this meeting call
[03:17] <dtchen> bjsnider: lines 16-20
[03:17] <unixdawg> I said I was on kubuntu 5 times
[03:17] <J-_> Ienorand: http://pastebin.ca/1387653
[03:17] <J-_> !ping
[03:17] <maco> yes, you did, so use kubuntu's default browser if firefox is being its crashy self
[03:17] <dtchen> unixdawg: just disable autospawn and killall pulseaudio, then
[03:18] <dtchen> unixdawg: i've told you how to do so
[03:18] <bjsnider> dtchen, it's failing because it can't apply a patch
[03:18] <dtchen> bjsnider: yes, and quilt gives you a clue
[03:18] <dtchen> bjsnider: not sure what you want me to get out of that.
[03:18] <unixdawg> your all not grepping be back in a bit I have to make this conf call or loose my job
[03:18] <maco> hi amber
[03:18] <bjsnider> dtchen, i removed the entire patches directory and tried again and it still failed with a similar message
[03:18] <J-_> Ienorand: http://pastebin.ca/1387653 Not sure if you got that URL, I was timed out.
[03:18] <maco> unixdawg: ok so do what dtchen said and just turn off autospawn and killall pulseaudio
[03:19] <dtchen> bjsnider: removed the entire patches directory from what?
[03:19] <unixdawg> I am still getting a hand on linux I am a bsd person and not use to all these diff apps you install on these systems
[03:19] <bjsnider> dtchen, from the debian directory
[03:19] <unixdawg> back in a bit
[03:20] <maco> unixdawg: he told you what file to edit too. /etc/pulse/client.conf just turn off autospawn.  and are you telling me bsd doesn't have killall?
[03:20] <Ienorand> J-_: Got it... that looks healthy to me, but you can not ping 192.168.1.1 ??
[03:21] <dtchen> bjsnider: how are you building it? dpkg-buildpackage manually? debuild? pbuilder? debian/rules build (as at the top of the paste)?
[03:22] <dtchen> bjsnider: it's probably easiest if you start by telling me what you intend to do with what source package
[03:22] <J-_> Ienorand: No, still unreachable
[03:22] <bjsnider> dtchen, i took the latest mplayer out of debain unstable, used my own svn tarball, and tried building it in ppa
[03:23] <J-_> Ienorand: I can't even switch to wired from nm-applet
[03:23] <bjsnider> now maybe it faioled because my mplayer was newer than tartler's by a few weeks, but i junked his patches, so i think it should have succeeded
[03:23] <Ienorand> J-_: That is very odd, indeed...
[03:23] <J-_> Ienorand: nm-applet doesn't switch from wireless to wired either.
[03:23] <J-_> once plugged in that is
[03:24] <Ienorand> J-_: So nm still thinks you are on wlan?
[03:24] <dtchen> bjsnider: it requires a bit more finesse than that
[03:25] <J-_> Ienorand: Yes
[03:25] <dtchen> bjsnider: you need to see if the patches are still necessary
[03:25] <bjsnider> dtchen, will the build system try to apply patches if there's no patches directory?
[03:26] <J-_> Ienorand: I plugged it in did that command you told me to do, it gave me an output. Unplugged it. Then, plugged it back in to ping my router.
[03:26] <J-_> let me turn off my wireless card and see what that does
[03:27] <J-_> Also, last night I was folling around with uxa. I enabled it. That might have corrupted a file or 2.
[03:27] <J-_> fooling*
[03:29] <Ienorand> J-_: hmm, what do you mean by "plugging" here?
[03:29] <dtchen> bjsnider: no
[03:30] <bjsnider> dtchen, in that case, can you tell me what might be happening here: http://pastebin.com/d4e617ed7
[03:32] <dtchen> line 17
[03:32] <bjsnider> right, but what does it mean?
[03:33] <dtchen> it means one of those commands failed
[03:35] <Ienorand> J-_: Are you plugging in and out network cable?
[03:37] <maco> unixdawg: pittsburgh?
[03:37] <unixdawg> Washington
[03:37] <unixdawg> PA
[03:37] <unixdawg> south
[03:37] <maco> WPLUG?
[03:37] <unixdawg> no
[03:37] <unixdawg> I am visitng a friend
[03:37] <maco> oh
[03:38] <unixdawg> ok it flashed a screen saying issues with atiixp (unknown codec) falling back to pulseaudio
[03:38] <dtchen> that's phonon's notification
[03:38] <unixdawg> I have edited the file like I was told
[03:38] <hmw> anyone else has x crashing with compiz' shift switcher, probably related to updates from the last week?
[03:39] <dtchen> unixdawg: and did you killall pulseaudio?
[03:39] <unixdawg> yes
[03:39] <dtchen> unixdawg: did you register on LP and use ubuntu-bug pulseaudio?
[03:39] <unixdawg> I had a crash due to openvnc
[03:39] <unixdawg> and the laptop rebooted sound came up but then crashed
[03:40] <unixdawg> I may have just lost my job over this
[03:40] <dtchen> doubtful.
[03:40] <unixdawg> wich now makes me want to trash jaunty
[03:40] <Elone> is kubuntu 9.04 not loading knetworkmanger normal ? @.@;
[03:41] <dtchen> unixdawg: do you want to continue trolling, or do you want to actually resolve the issue?
[03:41] <unixdawg> well I could not do the voip conf call I was suppost to be on with a client because my headset was not working
[03:41] <frogonwheels> worked at the start for me. think it crashed.
[03:41] <frogonwheels> - I believe I ended up using /etc/network/interfaces
[03:41] <unixdawg> I am trying but I have to do 5 things at onc
[03:41] <dtchen> unixdawg: only 5? cakewalk.
[03:41] <unixdawg> trying to save a job fix a clients server
[03:42] <dtchen> unixdawg: anyhow, since you appear to be unwilling to register on LP, please wget -O ~/Desktop/alsa-info.sh http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[03:42] <unixdawg> fix this audio issue.  tuck the kids into bed and then send my partner off to work
[03:42] <unixdawg> I did reg
[03:42] <unixdawg> stop assuming
[03:42] <dtchen> unixdawg: ok, and can you run ubuntu-bug pulseaudio?
[03:43] <unixdawg> it now gives a error that pkg pulse does not exist
[03:43] <dtchen> unixdawg: paste the precise error
[03:44] <Ienorand> J-_: ping
[03:45] <unixdawg> done
[03:45] <dtchen> unixdawg: where did you paste it?
[03:45] <unixdawg> I told it to send and then it said it would add the file to the post
[03:46] <dtchen> unixdawg: so you used a pastebin web site or the ubuntu-bug program?
[03:46] <dtchen> please be clear
[03:46]  * Ienorand goes off to play openarena
[03:46] <unixdawg> I ran the application I was asked to run that sends a bug report
[03:47] <unixdawg> it asked to display/send/cancle
[03:47] <unixdawg> I hit send
[03:48] <dtchen> unixdawg: did it tell you which bug report number was generated?
[03:50] <gopogo> ubuntu jaunty jackass is  not detecting windows during installation
[03:50] <gopogo> it says no windows installed
[03:50] <unixdawg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/358871
[03:50] <bruce89> Jackass?
[03:50] <gopogo> what was was it jack something
[03:51] <gopogo> jackolope ?
[03:51] <unko> sup guys
[03:51] <gopogo> jackass
[03:51] <DG19075> Jackalope
[03:51] <dtchen> unixdawg: ok, looking now. give me a few minutes.
[03:52] <unko> so.............................. is the version thats available now? is it good to use?
[03:52] <unko> 9.04 i mean
[03:52] <gopogo> jackass is easier to remember
[03:52] <unko> ??
[03:52] <rustlerharv> works for me
[03:53] <unko> soo....who thinks 9.04 = fail? or not?
[03:53] <crdlb> a poll isn't going to accomplish anything
[03:53] <unko> im just asking...
[03:53] <unko> i think its a great improvement
[03:54] <dtchen> unixdawg: first, rm ~/.asoundrc
[03:54] <dtchen> unixdawg: second, log out of kde and back into kde
[03:54] <gopogo> ubuntu jaunty jackalope is  not detecting windows during installation
[03:54] <gopogo> it says no windows installed
[03:55] <gopogo> what to do now
[03:55] <crdlb> intrepid worked fine for me, I just needed newer glib and gtk :)
[03:55] <unixdawg> no such file or dir
[03:55] <unixdawg> brb
[03:55] <gopogo> i want to install on computer with windows also intalled as wanted to test it
[03:55] <J-_> I guess I'm gonna go find a livecd and boot into it and see if that does anything
[03:55] <gopogo> but while installing its not detecting
[03:56] <crdlb> gopogo: well, first of all, I have a feeling you don't have a full backup of that windows installation ...
[03:56] <gopogo> windows ...........maybe bcos its NTFS partition
[03:57] <gopogo> crdlb: i regret to inform i have full back but i dont want to install windows + programs if jackass installation screws it up
[03:57] <gopogo> oops jackalope
[03:57] <crdlb> ...
[03:58] <gopogo> its not even detecting another fat partition
[03:58] <gopogo> is it a know bug ?
[03:58] <crdlb> so it thinks the whole disk is blank?
[03:58] <Ienorand> J-_: So have you tried pinging immidiately after doing the dhclient? Also try pinging specifically with eth0: "ping -I eth0 192.168.1.1" (nb -I is capital i as in ibex)
[03:58] <gopogo> yes
[03:58] <gopogo> says to install on full disk
[03:59] <dtchen> unixdawg: third, tell me if the following command (in a Konsole) is audible: aplay -Dplughw:0 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
[03:59] <unixdawg> ok back
[03:59] <Ienorand> gopogo: and same if you go into manual?
[03:59] <unixdawg> ok that worked
[04:00] <gopogo> Ienorand: yeah
[04:00] <dtchen> unixdawg: so your sound is fine
[04:01] <unixdawg> no it played then it flased that ati ixp (unknoncode) does not work failing to pulse udio
[04:01] <Ienorand> gopogo: That is odd indeed, what does gparted say about it?
[04:02] <gopogo> wait for sec will start the installation tel you exact scenario
[04:02] <dtchen> unixdawg: but was the sound *audible*?
[04:02] <unixdawg> yes
[04:02] <dtchen> then sound *does* work fine.
[04:03] <dtchen> unixdawg: please pastebin the contents of /etc/pulse/client.conf
[04:03] <dtchen> !pastebin
[04:04] <unixdawg> give me 1 min
[04:06] <unixdawg> pastebin is bing slow
[04:06] <hmw> hmm... i cant trigger the "dim unresponsive windows" feature of compiz... i want to check somehting out... any suggestions, how i can get some app to grey out? (firefox just opened 32 pages at once without getting unresponsive)
[04:06] <unixdawg> http://pastebin.ca/1387680
[04:07] <dtchen> unixdawg: no, you have to change line 26 to autospawn = no
[04:07] <unixdawg> ok
[04:07] <dtchen> unixdawg: it is insufficient to simply comment out the line
[04:08] <unixdawg> ok
[04:08] <dtchen> unixdawg: afterward, killall pulseaudio
[04:09] <unixdawg> ok
[04:09] <unixdawg> exit
[04:09] <unixdawg> ok audio is working again
[04:10] <dtchen> unixdawg: now, the bug - the symptoms you experienced - is still present. you're just not using PA. So the bug isn't fixed.
[04:10] <dtchen> unixdawg: if you have time, i can walk you through troubleshooting it.
[04:10] <unixdawg> ok
[04:10] <dtchen> unixdawg: you'll need a separate tty for running `pulseaudio -vv'
[04:10] <LiMaO> hmw: make extensive use of flash and java. load some sites into those 32 firefox instances
[04:11] <dtchen> unixdawg: (just allow pulseaudio to remain foregrounded)
[04:11] <LiMaO> hmw: i'm pretty sure you'll enjoy some slowdown
[04:11] <hmw> did load sites of course. thanks for the hint, i'll load some heavy flash
[04:11] <unixdawg> ok
[04:11] <unixdawg> ok
[04:12] <unixdawg> its in a term window
[04:12] <unixdawg> ok audious is working
[04:13] <unixdawg> its not causing the atiixp issue
[04:14] <dtchen> unixdawg: that's probably because PA has suspended (relinquished access to) the audio device(s)
[04:14] <unixdawg> ok what doyou want now
[04:14] <unixdawg> ok so what do we want to do next
[04:14] <gopogo> Ienorand: I tried manual  drive partitioning .........its showing me the no partition on only sda1
[04:14] <dtchen> unixdawg: you can verify with `pactl list'
[04:15] <dtchen> unixdawg: look for your playing audio stream
[04:15] <J-_> Yep, definitely no broken hardware. :D Hardy's LiveCD worked good. I could definitely ping my router, log into it, and ethernet port worked.
[04:16] <J-_> That was a big relief.
[04:16] <unixdawg> ok
[04:16] <Ienorand> gopogo: Um... so this is in the installer? Is it seing sda and one partition sda1 under that?
[04:17] <J-_> How can I reconfigure my networking to use the default settings?
[04:17] <dtchen> unixdawg: (it would be a Sink Input #foo)
[04:18] <LiMaO> hmw: did it work?
[04:18] <hmw> lol... now that i want it to slow down and dim to greyness, it refuses to do so. It just gets slower. Newer had my ubuntu working with more than one youtube video at a time, now i got 15+ youtube vids and some flash demos opened in paralel, and it still works
[04:18] <hmw> GAH!
[04:19] <meoblast001> hi
[04:19] <hmw> please, cath this murphy guy and bring him to justice!
[04:19] <unixdawg> yeah its alsa its releasing to
[04:19] <meoblast001> on the 23rd will i be able to download 8.10?
[04:19] <meoblast001> i mean
[04:19] <meoblast001> 9.10
[04:20] <unixdawg> so what next
[04:20] <LiMaO> hmw: load 15 instances of this website http://www.npi-news.dk/ --> it'll hang. for sure. hehe
[04:20] <unixdawg> I have 10 min before I have to shower and hit the sack
[04:21] <hmw> hah... i did it
[04:22] <unixdawg> dtchen, ? andthnaks thus far
[04:22] <unixdawg> atleast I have audio again
[04:22] <hmw> incredible, i just opened that link collection 3 times (about 45-60 pages with flash, and my sys still doesnt really die...)
[04:23] <dtchen> unixdawg: i don't know what you mean by "yeah its alsa its releasing to"
[04:23] <dtchen> unixdawg: do you mean that you found the application listed in pactl list?
[04:23] <J-_> I guess I can't reconfigure my networking
[04:23] <J-_> interfaces*
[04:23] <unixdawg> yes
[04:23] <unixdawg> *** Sink #0 ***
[04:23] <unixdawg> Name: alsa_output.usb_device_d8c_c_noserial_if0_sound_card_0_alsa_playback_0
[04:24] <dtchen> unixdawg: no, that's the sound card, not the application trying to play sound
[04:24] <LiMaO> hmw: 5 instances of that site would take over 2gb ram... you can make your system crawl down with that one
[04:26] <hmw> yeah, i just did check these details out, thanks. But 50 or so web pages with flash is so much better than it was with intrepid on that computer, i really wonder, what trickery is behind that
[04:26] <unixdawg> ok well will have to pick this up in the am
[04:26] <unixdawg> have to hit the shower and hit the sack and hope I have a job tomorrow
[04:26] <J-_> Will deleting ~./.gconf/system/networking bring my interfaces back to normal?
[04:26] <hmw> couldnt barely watch one youtube vid before, and now it keeps usable with 50??
[04:26] <unixdawg> night and thanks
[04:26] <J-_> well to default, sorry.
[04:35] <linxuz3r> hi
[04:35] <linxuz3r> when is 904 gonna be released
[04:36] <hil> 23rd
[04:37] <linxuz3r> thanks
[04:37] <LiMaO> linxuz3r: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule
[04:38] <LiMaO> linxuz3r: also, to keep your mind working, check out the schedule for Karmic Koala aswell @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule
[04:39] <linxuz3r> cool
[04:39] <linxuz3r> but it seems my internet connection is laggy
[04:40] <tmb> Hi!  I'm trying to install 9.04 on an HP DV2.  8.10 is working fine, but 9.04 fails to recognize the hard disk drive (!).  Where should I report this and what should I report?
[04:40] <Barridus> hmw, i've noticed that as well with flash in jaunty
[04:40] <linxuz3r> brb
[04:40] <Barridus> one of the reasons i belive jaunty>intrepid
[04:41] <LiMaO> only thing i've hated up to now in jaunty (and actually is not a jaunty problem) is this amarok 2 crap
[04:48] <LiMaO> anyone else having problems logging into msn with amsn?
[04:48] <LiMaO> it was working yesterday
[04:48] <hchufeng> good noon everyone ,I'm so happy today because I have installed the IBUS input method from ppa.It to hard for me installed from source.
[04:56] <spaceBARbarian> can someone help me get i8kmon to detect my custom config
[04:56] <tmb> Where should I report Jaunty installation problems?
[04:58] <gopogo> go ahead mr tmb
[04:58] <gopogo> state ur problem in 10 secs
[05:01] <tmb> Ah, sorry... 9.04 fails to install on an HP DV2; it doesn't recognize the disk.  8.10 installs fine on the same laptop.
[05:02] <hmw> cant apt-cache find v4l2ucp (a small app, that lets me set brightness for the webcam) anymore. I think, it was to be installed without any additional steps. Do you know, where it is or another similar app?
[05:02] <tmb> It seems to be a standard (S)ATA disk drive, and the fact that 8.10 installs supports that, so the problem seems to be something specific to 9.04.
[05:07] <Guest71675> This afternoon, OO Writer began starting automatically at startup. I don't see it listed in the Startup Applications so that I can turn that off. Is this common? How can I turn it off?
[05:11] <hmw> wow thats annoying... i have a solution to an open thread on ubuntuforums.org, but i am not allowed to post a reply there... !?!?
[05:15] <gopogo> how to install remix type inter face in jackass
[05:16] <bruce89> gopogo: jackass/
[05:16] <bruce89> ?
[05:17] <gopogo> opps jackalope
[05:17] <loquitus_of_borg> Does compiz work in Jaunty?
[05:17] <gopogo> wanted to know if ubuntu remix type interface can be installed in jackalope
[05:17] <loquitus_of_borg> when I run it, it goes nuts
[05:19] <Amaranth> loquitus_of_borg: I'm using it now
[05:22] <loquitus_of_borg> amarnath... how do I get access to the compiz control panel?
[05:22] <loquitus_of_borg> it is not even listed...
[05:22] <loquitus_of_borg> maybe it is not installed even though I am pretty sure it is?
[05:28] <rww> !ccsm | loquitus_of_borg
[05:29] <ZeZu> is there a default password for jaunty if you've managed to install without setting up a user ?
[05:32] <gopogo> i have starange problem in Jacko
[05:32] <loquitus_of_borg> rww: thanks!
[05:33] <DanaG> loquitus_of_borg: you misspelled it -- it's Locutus.
[05:33] <gopogo> i just a installed a new system on i am able to connect wifi but not able to default gateway
[05:34] <gopogo> i have manually given the IP
[05:34] <loquitus_of_borg> DanaG: yah I know :)
[05:35] <gopogo> why its not pinginging the the router/defaultt gaeteway
[05:35] <gopogo> ?
[05:37] <Chr|s> anyone having any audio issues with todays updates?
[05:44] <gopogo> Jaunty -> its saying connected to wifi netework but not pigging default gateway
[05:44] <gopogo> when i ping the gateway -> i get destination host not reachable
[05:45] <gopogo> on router its not showing in attached devices
[05:46] <gopogo> what to do
[05:46] <gopogo> i restarted the system also
[05:46] <gopogo> why its showing connected on jaunty
[05:47] <gopogo> and not showing up in router connected devices
[05:49] <gopogo> anybody there
[06:07] <gopogo> when i removed wep  security from router it worked
[06:08] <gopogo> why does it not work with wep
[06:21] <gopogo> anybody there
[06:34] <pwnguin> gopogo: i don't really know enough about wifi to help, but launchpad has a bug reporter and question tool (answers) that might help you find if anyone else already has your problem and workarounds
[06:39] <leo> hi i have onboard ati hd3300 graphics, by using fglrx driver provided by ubuntu 9.04 beta, my sys is not stable.... can i use the driver provided by amd on their website ?
[06:40] <crdlb> leo: no
[06:40] <leo> ok
[06:40] <crdlb> it's essentially the same driver, except ubuntu has a beta version that works with xserver 1.6
[06:41] <leo> ok buddy, i will then wait for the final release of 9.04!
[06:41] <leo> hope if fixes by then
[06:41] <crdlb> fglrx 9.4 won't be actually released until later this month
[06:41] <leo> ok
[06:41] <leo> is radeon-hd good enough for 3d accelration ?
[06:42] <crdlb> no
[06:42] <leo> uh...
[06:43] <crdlb> the radeon driver will only give you 2d render acceleration (EXA) and textured XVideo
[06:43] <crdlb> and the radeonhd driver isn't really worth considering unless the radeon driver doesn't work for some reason
[06:43] <leo> oh, then should i try fglrx and disable desktop effects, may be it helps
[06:44] <leo> may be aiglx is causing the problem
[07:02] <aman> in the new puslse audio how do i select the headphones option ?
[07:02] <aman> if i plug in my headphones now , audio plays from both
[07:03] <aman> in 8.10 i used to mute the front channel and tick the headphones option
[07:03] <aman> however in the new pulse audio , i can see the various channels / switches
[07:04] <Mulder> does that headphone option do crossfeed?
[07:04] <aman> i am sorry , i dont understand corssfeed
[07:05] <Mulder> it's when the signal for right channel is also sent to left, and vice versa (with a small delay)
[07:05] <aman> i dont think so , audio simply plays from both channels
[07:05] <Mulder> for headphones this is useful to help your brain adjust to stereo effect and minimise headaches after prolonged listening
[07:06] <aman> and its a simple headphone set - i doubt it does that
[08:21] <BonezAU> hi all, I have just created a new ext4 partition, added it to my /etc/fstab and mounted it, but it seems to be writable only by root. What do I need to do in order to have it writable by anyone who uses the system? I have an NTFS partition which allows any user on the system to read/write to it
[08:47] <hmw> little question: where has the logout/shutdown button gone in the System Menu?
[08:48] <IntuitiveNipple> To the Fast User Switch applet
[08:49] <H|asleep> can I somehow disable Guest session?
[08:49] <hmw> so i didnt accidentially delete it... ok... do you know, how i now can disable the "suspend" option? my old version only affected that entry, but the switcher applet seems not to be impressed much
[08:50] <hmw> H|asleep: use the gconf-editor, go to /apps/fast-user-switch-applet and disable the entry
[08:51] <H|asleep> thanks :)
[09:38] <leaphion> problem with installing ubuntu jaunty via pen drive on my hard drive. I installed it with unetbootin on my pen drive and I manage to boot it to the installer. but when in installer it says it "cannot mount the installation CD". what goes wrong?
[09:53] <blocky> anyone familiar with the hash sum mismatch error when trying to upgrade 8.10 with update-manager -d
[09:57] <acicula> blocky: yes, i hvae the same
[09:57] <acicula> blocky: new since yesterday
[09:57] <acicula> blocky: dunno yet if it's a bug or just an update problem(ie outdated mirror)
[09:57] <blocky> ive tried several mirrors
[09:58] <blocky> the strange thing is that I have 2 boxes here, and one updated from 8.10  just fine
[09:59] <acicula> well the file seems to be there
[09:59] <blocky> yea
[09:59] <blocky> im also noticing that no m atter what mirror i select its trying to download from archive.canonical.com
[10:01] <acicula> yeh
[10:01] <Eruaran> I tried a dual boot install with Kubuntu 9.04 beta 1 yesterday
[10:01] <acicula> but where does it fetch the installer files from?
[10:01] <Eruaran> it seems to be broken
[10:01] <acicula> Eruaran: can you describe the problem?
[10:04] <Eruaran> acicula: the install appears to work normally but when it finishes the system only boots Windows, there's no grub menu so I can't select kubuntu
[10:04] <acicula> blocky: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/358893
[10:04] <acicula> same issue
[10:05] <acicula> Eruaran: hmm seems something went wrong with installing the bootloader then
[10:05] <Eruaran> yes
[10:06] <Eruaran> not sure how to report it
[10:07] <acicula> log in, klick affects me too and report from what to where you are upgradding and what error message you got
[10:10] <Eruaran> If I report it what should I call it ?
[10:10] <Eruaran> grub install fails ?
[10:10] <Eruaran> grub install fails for dual boot / partitioned system ?
[10:10] <acicula> Eruaran: that report was not for you,my bad, it was for blocky
[10:10] <Eruaran> k
[10:11] <blocky> ya thats exactly it
[10:11] <acicula> Eruaran: Dont know why grub was not installed
[10:11] <Eruaran> a regular install works fine
[10:11] <acicula> or at least not configured on your disk
[10:11] <Eruaran> just the dual boot isn't working
[10:11] <acicula> Eruaran: follow the dual boot wiki and try again?
[10:11] <Eruaran> ok
[10:11] <acicula> Eruaran: well either the installer failed to properly installed the bootloader
[10:11] <acicula> or it was installed on the wrong disk
[10:12] <acicula> last one seems a bit more likely
[10:12] <acicula> as in the first case the installtion should fail i think
[10:14] <Eruaran> can i have a link ?
[10:14] <acicula> www.google.com/?q=ubuntu+wiki+dualboot
[10:15] <Eruaran> ty
[10:15] <acicula> http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+wiki+dualboot even
[10:53] <soc> hi
[10:54] <soc> flashplugin-installer requires nspluginwrapper and ia32-libs on amd64, should i file a bug about it?
[11:31] <GAZRA> Hello, I just installed Kubuntu Jaunty and I'm having problems with the Akonadi server.
[11:31] <GAZRA> Can someone help me? It just doesn't start
[11:32] <deany> are there any upto date isos of jaunty?  with all the updates in so far?
[11:32] <GAZRA> And every time I start kopete or kontact Akonadi server tries to start with no sucess
[11:34] <GAZRA> Do I really need akonadi server for proper functionality in kontact and kopete?
[11:36] <soc> deany: cdimages.ubuntu.com
[11:36] <deany> soc, found it. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ :)
[11:41] <hetauma> hi! I've installed 9.04 beta. I have a gfx card ati mobility radeon 9600 and in "hardware drivers" ubuntu doesn't report it so I can install the driver. Any ideas why?
[11:41] <soc> flashplugin-installer requires nspluginwrapper and ia32-libs on amd64, should i file a bug about it?
[11:42] <deany> hetauma, might be too old... i know ati stopped supporting cards that are around similar age.... check ati website...
[11:42] <deany> hetauma, might have to install them manually.. im not sure on all this tho..
[11:43] <soc> hetauma: the radeon driver should work
[11:43] <hetauma> deany, it's about 2 years old and at ati website I can download the driver from there. but it sugest the "ubuntu way" through hardware drivers
[11:44] <hetauma> soc, how can I check which driver I have?
[11:44] <deany> hthats funny, cuz i have a mobillity 9800 256mb, and its 6 yrs old :)
[11:46] <soc> hetauma: does the graphical interface work?
[11:46] <soc> or are you on commandline?
[11:46] <hetauma> soc, it works but I tried some 3d apps and it's really laggy
[11:46] <hetauma> can be on command line
[11:47] <hetauma> used to be able to check it from /etc/X11/xorg.conf but can't see it there on the new Xorg
[11:47] <soc> ah ok
[11:48] <soc> i guess you are already using the open source driver, because fglrx doesn't support your card anymore
[11:48] <soc> the open source driver works better than the fglrx driver in almost every regard, but is not as fast as fglrx 3d-wise
[11:49] <deany> hetauma, according to ati site, you can downloaed v9.3 of the driver, i see nothing suggesting a problem.. try the manual way.. tho i`d wait for a newer driver, probably after jaunty is final.
[11:49] <soc> hetauma, deany: afaik 9.3 doesn't work with the xorg version of jaunty
[11:49] <hetauma> soc, how do I check which driver I use now?
[11:50] <hetauma> when jaunty becomes final it would probably list it at the hardware drivers?
[11:50] <deany> hetauma, http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu__Installation_Guide
[11:51] <deany> hetauma, they might.  personally for me I stay current with ATI drivers as they are faster for me.
[11:52] <deany> seems its cards pre-9500 that dont get ATI support
[11:54] <hetauma> acording to Xorg.0.log I use radeon driver
[11:56] <deany> hetauma, wait for jaunty stable.   there are far too many updates, too frequently still for me to want to install "for real"
[11:57] <hetauma> that's probably what I'll do
[12:02] <GAZRA> Is there someone who could help me with Kubuntu Jaunty?
[12:02] <frogonwheels> !ask
[12:03] <yoritomo> hello all
[12:04] <GAZRA> I just installed Kubuntu Jaunty, Akonadi server tried to start everytime I start kontact or Kopete, but it brings errors and says it's not able to start.
[12:04] <yoritomo> i am trying to update to jaunty beta from my intrepid, and i get error messages  looks like server transfert problems
[12:04] <yoritomo> it says when downloading it is due to a connection problem, but not, because each time on same place it is going down
[12:05] <yoritomo>  it happens with canonical
[12:05] <yoritomo> Packages.bz2 Sources.bz2 incoherent checksum
[12:05] <yoritomo> E: some index files have be ignored or older ones have been used instead
[12:05] <yoritomo> any admins know if it has servers problems actually ?
[12:06] <jpds> ./27
[12:06] <jpds> ./27
[12:06] <jpds> Sorry, damn irssi.
[12:06] <bazhang> yoritomo, is that the partner repo?
[12:07] <bazhang> ie canonical-partner yoritomo ?
[12:07] <yoritomo> don't know i just launched the command to update to jaunty beta
[12:07] <yoritomo> wait
[12:07] <bazhang> yoritomo, want to pastebin your sources.list ?
[12:08] <yoritomo> ok
[12:08] <frogonwheels> GAZRA: hmm.. 'errors' is a bit vague.  specifics?  (don't forget pastebin if there are more than a couple)
[12:09] <Skiessi> I hate that the things I copy don't stay copied
[12:10] <Skiessi> is it a setting, a bug or a "feature"?
[12:10] <yoritomo> http://pastebin.com/d36558f1d
[12:12] <bazhang> yoritomo, you have updated already? those are all intrepid repos
[12:15] <yoritomo> no, the update failed
[12:15] <yoritomo> that is why i request some helps
[12:16] <bazhang> yoritomo, what command did you use to upgrade
[12:16] <GAZRA> frogonwheels: http://pastebin.com/d2c95143c that's what happens
[12:17] <GAZRA> frogonwheels: apparently is a problem with D-BUS
[12:18] <frogonwheels> nah - apparently your akondai server crashed.
[12:18] <frogonwheels> GAZRA: ^^^
[12:19] <GAZRA> frogonwheels: Yes, but always! It ahsn't been able to start not even once
[12:19] <GAZRA> I always get the same error
[12:20] <frogonwheels> GAZRA: sure.  Have you looked at /var/log/daemon.log for any other errors/clues as to why akondai crashes?
[12:20] <frogonwheels> GAZRA: I can't help you much further, but now at least you know the question to ask / google
[12:21] <GAZRA> frogonwheels: There is nothing at /var/log/daemon.log
[12:21] <GAZRA> frogonwheels: Thanks anyway
[12:21] <kulight> does any one manage to get a broadcom wireless card in his laptop working ?
[12:21] <frogonwheels> np GAZRA.  goodluck.
[12:22] <yoritomo> bazhang  sudo update-manager -d
[12:23] <frogonwheels> kulight: did you run 'Hardware Drivers'??   (From openwrt I know that the 2.6 support for broadcom is not quite there)
[12:23] <GAZRA> frogonwheels: Kubuntu Jaunty is great, the only problem is the akondai server!! Do you know if it is actually needed for proper functionality of Kontact?
[12:23] <yoritomo> sorry for this slow reply i just finished to eat
[12:23] <frogonwheels> GAZRA: no. sorry.
[12:24] <GAZRA> frogonwheels: Thanks anyway
[12:25] <yoritomo> bazhang, luckily it reinstall everything as origin
[12:25] <yoritomo> it is the reason of only intrepid luckily :)
[12:25] <kulight> frogonwheels: what is Hardware Drivers? u mean restricted drivers manager? if yes i did the nic is not recognized even though it was fine in intrepid
[12:26] <frogonwheels> kulight: yeah, that thing.
[12:26] <frogonwheels> kulight: you got the package with the restricted drivers in it?
[12:27] <kulight> frogonwheels: what pack ?
[12:27] <frogonwheels> linux-restricted-modules
[12:27] <aapzak> guys, the last 24 I encountered a kswapd problem. It was so busy, I ended up resetting my laptop, is this a new known issue?
[12:27] <frogonwheels> gg.
[12:27] <yoritomo> in this beta version, nouveau nvidia driver is already available ?
[12:27] <kulight> yes i think so ill check again
[12:28] <aapzak> kswapd: first I thought KDE hang on me, I uninstalled KDE and run Gnome now, same problem ...
[12:38] <wirechief_> Desktop and keyboard freeze after dist-upgrade  getting kernel error : [drm:i915_get_vblank_counter] *ERROR* trying to get vblank count for disabled pipe 0
[12:38] <wirechief_> 2.6.28-11-generic #41-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 8 04:39:
[12:40] <wirechief_> to recover i had to use RSEIUB
[12:45] <yoritomo> bazhang sorry i need to leave
[12:45]  * wirechief_ chase's rabbit down a hole and it disappeared
[12:46] <yoritomo> thanks for you hel
[12:46] <yoritomo> help
[12:48] <yoritomo> always keeping failing to update on 9.04
[12:48] <yoritomo> so strange
[12:49] <yoritomo> i am under kubuntu, no matter ?
[12:53] <wirechief> i think this latest dist-upgrade kernel is causing me to freeze on my laptop
[12:56] <bazhang> yoritomo, thought you were logging off, sorry
[12:56] <eagles0513875> is it too late to get a patch applied for qtscriptgenerator to make it into jaunty
[12:56] <yoritomo> sudo update-manager -d
[12:56] <yoritomo> no
[12:57] <yoritomo> i am always highlighting you
[13:03] <yoritomo> sorry i don't wanna annoye you, i will benefit the nice weather out thanks bazhang
[13:04] <wirechief> !kernel
[13:17] <shadeslayer> hi,my nvidia drivers are not activated in 9.04,how do i activate them,system > administration > hardware drivers shows nothing
[13:18] <shadeslayer> yeah sorry for that,i accidently closed pidgin,so my question still stands
[13:21] <ZeroKewl> hi i need help with 9.04
[13:22] <shadeslayer> ZeroKewl: dont we all :)
[13:23] <ZeroKewl> i have a i8545g/gl  chip set and the fps is bad i went into my /etc/X11/xorg.conf and theres nothing in it
[13:24] <ZeroKewl> and on ubuntu website it says to add sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf", and adding Option "AccelMethod" "UXA" to the Device section of your xorg.conf
[13:24] <ZeroKewl> but theres nothing in there to add it to
[13:24] <shadeslayer> ZeroKewl: sudo gedit is the command to edit the file
[13:25] <ZeroKewl> what is ubuntu doing like microsoft and swtiching to nothing but high end computers
[13:25] <ZeroKewl> duh shit
[13:25] <ZeroKewl> i know its to edit
[13:25] <ZeroKewl> theres nothign it it to edit
[13:25] <shadeslayer> ZeroKewl: you said " u website it says to add sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf", "
[13:26] <shadeslayer> ok anyways,i dont know a thing about it
[13:26] <ZeroKewl> yweah and i did that theres nothing in there to edit its a black file
[13:26] <ZeroKewl> blank
[13:26] <ZeroKewl> i been with ubuntu started when 5.10 came out i think i know that means edit
[13:27] <ZeroKewl> but how to edit when theres nothing to edit
[13:27] <shadeslayer> ZeroKewl: sorry,ive been here only 4 months,so still a begginer
[13:27] <shadeslayer> beginner
[13:30] <shadeslayer> so anyone who can tell me what to do with the nvidia drivers??
[13:30] <TheInfinity> shadeslayer: why do you install beta software if you dont know how to install a driver manually?
[13:31] <ZeroKewl> yea get dreamlinux
[13:31] <ZeroKewl> it installs the drivers auto for u
[13:31] <shadeslayer> TheInfinity: coz i like to be on top of the development process, and ill learn only when i use beta software
[13:31] <TheInfinity> shadeslayer: then you can google for the answer if you want to learn :)
[13:32] <shadeslayer> ok then,i thought it might be a glitch
[13:33] <ZeroKewl> its not a glitch ubuntu is makeing it where they control what u install and can run
[13:33] <ZeroKewl> like microsoft
[13:34] <TheInfinity> shadeslayer: some nvidia drivers are not supported in jaunty. look at compatibilty of your drivers to jaunty xorg
[13:35] <shadeslayer> ok,im searching the forums too and the 180 drivers support my card btw,i.e. 8600 MGT
[13:35] <ZeroKewl> they done that so u hav eto buy bigger graphic cards the companies paid them to do it that way
[13:35] <dreamon> I'm upgrading Jaunty every day.. There is still an bug with keyboard&mouse input after a while..  any know issues?
[13:37] <shadeslayer> TheInfinity: uh,could you point me to the jaunty development page,where all the cards are listed,i cant seem to find it
[13:37] <dreamon> Might be a problem together with virtualbox usage..
[13:38] <ZeroKewl> u all know any other better linux distro
[13:38] <bazhang> ZeroKewl, #ubuntu-offtopic to discuss
[13:39] <jussi01> ZeroKewl: you are starting to troll. Please, keep on topic, if no one can help you right now, come back later.
[13:41] <shadeslayer> ill be back after 3-4 hours after updating my system to see if it works or not,right now i have 400 MB of updates
[13:42] <pantsman> has anyone managed to use WPA2 wireless encyption on jaunty?
[13:42] <pantsman> encryption, even
[13:42] <Mulder> pantsman, psk yes
[13:42] <Mulder> havent tried enterprise yet
[13:43] <pantsman> muibe: that's odd, my network-manager continually asks for the password and never connects... I can connect if I set my router to use only WPA (not 2)
[13:43] <pantsman> sorry, wrong tab complete
[13:43] <pantsman> Mulder: see above please
[13:43] <Mulder> no idea
[13:43] <Mulder> works for me
[13:44] <pantsman> it used to work for me in 8.10
[13:44] <pantsman> also my router has an option that allows both WPA and WPA2, but when that is enabled, network-manager automatically uses WPA2 and I can't figure out how to force it to use WPA
[13:45] <Mulder> can you set it to wpa2 only?
[13:45] <Mulder> and try again
[13:46] <pantsman> hmm I shall try that
[13:47] <dean_>  [13:47] [dean_(+i)] [4:freenode/#ubuntu+1(+cfnt)] [Act: 2]
[13:48] <Mulder> also what wifi card do you have
[13:48] <pantsman> r2860
[13:50] <pantsman> ah it does work with only WPA2; it is just the combined mode that it doesn't like
[13:50] <Mulder> still, probably a bug
[13:50] <Mulder> but to mitigate, maya s well just make it use wpa2 only
[13:51] <Mulder> aes better than tkip :P
[13:51] <pantsman> yes, unfortunately my router only allows me to choose between WPA and WPA2 in b & g modes
[13:51] <Mulder> g only, wpa2 only
[13:51] <Mulder> pro tip :P
[13:51] <pantsman> it has a mode that works with b, g and n wireless cards - but this mode does not let me choose a particular encryption, it always enables both
[13:52] <pantsman> also I can't choose g only
[13:54] <pantsman> only n+g+b or g+b
[13:57] <acicula> anyone have a work around for this issue : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/358893 ?
[14:00] <ZeroKewl> if anyone comes in here about the intel chipsets
[14:01] <ZeroKewl> tell them to install the intel driver for linux on the intel website
[14:01] <acicula> ZeroKewl: why?
[14:02] <ZeroKewl> well let me test it out and i tell u ok i have to restart ok i brb
[14:02] <acicula> seems a horrible idea, i think they already merged a quite recent intel driver in jaunty?
[14:05] <ZeroKewl> ok back
[14:05] <ZeroKewl> im running glxgears right now
[14:06] <ZeroKewl> ok with the intel driver off the intel site im getting 3567 frames in 5.0 seconds = 713.343 FPS
[14:06] <ZeroKewl> and before i was only getting like 10 fps
[14:06] <ZeroKewl> see the diffrents
[14:13] <acicula> well 10 fps is pretty poor, but glxgears is hardly a usefull metric, that score is hardly better then what i get on intrepid
[14:14] <Tekno> something wrong then
[14:16] <acicula> mind you i get ~500 FPS on intrepid with the intel driver, but to my knowledge anything remotely inolving 3D will just crash and burn ;)
[14:24] <bazhang> pmitros, well if you keep upgrading, in two weeks or so will be full and final jaunty
[14:25] <pmitros> Yeah. That was the plan. I just didn't want to break my system in the interrim, and occasionally, there are known serious bugs in betas, so I figured I'd ask first.
[14:26] <bazhang> pmitros, well no guarantees with ubuntu or any OS of course
[14:27] <pmitros> Debian has been going for over a decade with periodic dist-upgrades... It's not a guarantee, but it's pretty good.
[14:28] <bazhang> pmitros, this is server or desktop
[14:28] <pmitros> Nothing serious broke in that time. A few minor things. LILO stopped working at some point, and I had to downgrade to GRUB, but overall, smooth sailing.
[14:29] <pmitros> bazhang: The Ubuntu is desktop (installed on a laptop). The Debian was a hybrid. It's running my main machine at home, which acts as both, but there you don't have seperate distros.
[14:29] <pmitros> s/was/is/
[14:30] <bazhang> pmitros, judgement call imo, many have upgraded early, though some will wait for a few weeks/months after
[14:30] <pmitros> I'll try it. So long as there haven't been reports of substantial numbers of failures.
[14:30] <bazhang> the topic here is less alarming then before though :)
[14:31] <pmitros> Okay. Gotta run to work. Thanks
[14:34] <Eruaran> My Update Notifier is always in my system tray... it always says there are 39 software updates available even though when I check, there aren't any updates.
[14:55] <deany> not so many updates today...
[14:56] <deany> may grab a daily iso and go "real" this weekend.
[14:58] <deany> still no way to stop "recent documents" doing its thing yet?
[14:59] <deany> I just want a off button
[15:01] <pantsman> odd... I was just using jaunty and looked away for a second, when I looked back the screen was just all green and ctrl+alt+backspace did nothing
[15:02]  * deany deletes his daily iso then :(
[15:02] <deany> well ctrl alt backspace is disabled in jaunty for one thing....
[15:02] <Halow> ctrl+alt+bcksp does nothing. Try alt+sys rq+k .
[15:03] <bazhang> !info dontzap
[15:03] <ziroday> bazhang: you know you're going to have to make a factoid for that eventually
[15:03] <pantsman> well it's nice that I didn't know about that until I was faced with an unresponsive bright green screen
[15:06] <pantsman> thanks bazhang, disabled that now.
[15:10] <Veinor> There should be an alert about dontzap upon upgrading.
[15:11] <jpds> deany: We're in Final Freeze now.
[15:11] <Veinor> The way you capitalized that made me think of a Final Fantasy parody.
[15:12] <Veinor> Final Freeze IX.IV: Jaunty Jackalope
[15:12] <jpds> Heh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FinalFreeze
[15:14] <Veinor> Oh, I know what it is.
[15:14] <drew_> any ideas on getting flash working in firefox? (it's installed)
[15:15] <mariafranca_> hi, I've a problem. I installed 9.04 beta. After six hours reached to obtain something... My last problem is internet connection. I need to cofigure by pppeo protocol so, as I did in 8.04, I launched 'sudo pppoeconf'. After that the connection over internet is running.... But I've to repeat that operation 'pppoeconfig' each time also if I requested to set it at boot. Please, can somebody help me?
[15:18] <deany> i`ll do a fresh install and finally remove my xp partition this weekend then :)
[15:21] <eagles0513875> hey guys should the new package manager on jaunty should that ask for root password when u load it cuz for me it isnt
[15:22] <maco> my pidgin notifications reverted to the kind with buttons. anyone else?
[15:22] <maco> eagles0513875: on kubuntu or ubuntu?
[15:25] <eagles0513875> maco: kubuntu
[15:25] <eagles0513875> right now the way i am in it as root is via konsole
[15:26] <maco> eagles0513875: itll ask for your sudo passwod (root password? no root passwords in *buntu) when you tell it to do something that actually requires root priveleges. viewing package lists doesn't require root, so it doesnt do that as root
[15:26] <eagles0513875> maco: it only did it once for me and hasnt done it since
[15:27] <maco> it should only ask when you tell it to install, remove, or upgrade something. anything else, it doesnt ask. and if you've already done one of those, you get like 15 minutes before sudo times out
[15:29] <diana_> anyone here that can help me? have 9.04 on my HP dv6111 laptop. battery just says 0% charge.
[15:29] <diana_> so if i unplug AC power, my laptop will hibernate
[15:29]  * nemo looks up HP DV6111
[15:30] <drostie> ubuntu or kubuntu?
[15:30] <diana_> kubuntu
[15:30] <eagles0513875> maco: still same issue when i try to do anything its nto asking me for a password :(
[15:31] <maco> eagles0513875: is it still doing it?
[15:31] <eagles0513875> ya it is Machtin
[15:31] <eagles0513875> bah mt
[15:31] <eagles0513875> ya it is maco
[15:31] <drostie> Well, you can at least fix the auto-hibernate problem in K > System Settings > Advanced > Power Management, until you manage something better.
[15:31] <nemo> darn. can't find any info on that one
[15:31] <maco> eagles0513875: so its probably just the sudo timeout
[15:31] <nemo> was hoping to see if it had any ACPI issues
[15:31] <wirechief> is their a prefered chat client for 9.04 ? konversation on my lappy  seems to freeze
[15:32] <maco> quassel
[15:32] <nemo> diana_: could try a bios update maybe?
[15:32] <eagles0513875> should i file a bug report maco
[15:32] <maco> is the default
[15:32] <wirechief> maco thanks
[15:32] <eagles0513875> i use kvirc which is in repos
[15:32] <maco> eagles0513875: id say wait a half ahour without doing any sudo stuff, then try launching it and see what happens
[15:32] <diana_> nemo, gonna check if ther is any  =)
[15:33] <maco> eagles0513875: if it really is escalating to root without you needing to enter your sudo password, then yes
[15:33] <eagles0513875> maco its not
[15:33] <nemo> diana_: and maybe dmesg has some clues...
[15:33] <nemo> diana_: complaints on startup about power management and such
[15:34] <maco> eagles0513875: you just said its still able to do what you tell it to without it asking for your password
[15:34] <diana_> drostie, lol, im noob, don't have such item as advenced, or even system setting under my K lol
[15:34] <diana_> just have system and setting
[15:34] <eagles0513875> maco: unless i do sudo  kpackagekit in konsole it works
[15:35] <eagles0513875> if i just click the package kit in the menus it doesnt ask me for sudo if it needs sudo to install or remove
[15:35] <drostie> nemo: interestingly, other HP Pavilion DV61** models are listed as  auto-detecting the battery on the Ubuntu LaptopTestingTeam site.
[15:35] <maco> eagles0513875: which is the wrong way to do it anyway. it should be "kdesu" not "sudo"
[15:35] <eagles0513875> ahhh well with sudo it works
[15:36] <eagles0513875> what is the issue in regards to me using whats in the k menus
[15:36] <eagles0513875> its doesnt assk for a super user password to install or uninstall programs
[15:36] <drostie> diana: I mean in the "Favorites" part of your K menu, which should be the first that pops up.
[15:36] <drostie> It's also under the "Computer" tab on the K-menu, if you de-favorited it at some point.
[15:38] <maco> eagles0513875: the reason im saying kdesu not sudo is that kdesu is for graphical apps and sudo on a graphical app can screw up file permissions sometimes
[15:39] <drostie> If neither of those work, press Alt-F2 and then type "systemsettings" into that box.
[15:39] <maco> eagles0513875: it seems im within a sudo timeout because kpackagekit just removed epiphany w/o needing to ask
[15:39] <eagles0513875> maco did you do an upgrade from intrepid or clean install
[15:40] <eagles0513875> this is on a clean insta
[15:40] <eagles0513875> install
[15:40] <maco> upgrade, back during alpha 2
[15:40] <diana_> rofl, dmeg says like this -->
[15:40] <maco> ive ignored kpackagekit the whole time because it just throws errors when i use it
[15:40] <diana_> [    1.457549] ACPI: AC Adapter [ACAD] (on-line)
[15:40] <diana_> [    1.724829] ACPI: Battery Slot [BAT0] (battery present)
[15:40] <maco> but it did prompt for passwords with policykit just fine
[15:41] <eagles0513875> maco might need to reboot to see if i have the same issue
[15:42] <eagles0513875> maco: ill brb
[15:42] <maco> eagles0513875: i was getting timeout errors. devs went "i thought i fixed...hmm...ok....have to make the timeout longer, i guess"
[15:42] <diana_> drosite, ok found the advanced settings, funnily though there isn't anything related to power management =)
[15:43] <eagles0513875> gotcha
[15:43] <eagles0513875> but for some reason though when i just go into the package manager
[15:43] <eagles0513875> and i want to install something it says that it doesnt have root privs or something like tha t
[15:43] <minus> Hi.. When I boot 9.04 (I had the same problem with 8.10 though.), I have to press the keyboard for it to actually boot. When the ubuntu loading logo comes up, and I press any key on the keyboard, the loader starts to load. But when I stop pressing the key, ubuntu stops loading.
[15:43] <minus> Is this any of you guys are familiar with?
[15:44] <maco> eagles0513875: are you missing policykit-kde?
[15:44] <eagles0513875> maco: this is what i keep getting You don't have the necessary privileges to perform this action
[15:44] <maco> minus: is a bios update available?
[15:45] <eagles0513875> maco: already have that
[15:45] <maco> eagles0513875: and you're in /etc/sudoers?
[15:45] <eagles0513875> let me reboot outa curiosity
[15:45] <eagles0513875> what do you mean
[15:45] <minus> maco, I don't know. But this is only an issue in ubuntu. Debian boots just fine.
[15:45] <maco> you're an "admin" user not a "desktop" user?
[15:45] <eagles0513875> maco:  let me check
[15:45] <maco> minus: oh odd...
[15:45] <minus> maco, Yes..
[15:45] <eagles0513875> maco:  you mean in the admin group right
[15:46] <maco> minus: did you file a bug?
[15:46] <maco> eagles0513875: yes
[15:46] <eagles0513875> let me check
[15:46] <maco> minus: if you file a bug, your "sudo lshw" output and acpidump are both needed
[15:46] <minus> ok
[15:46] <minus> Will do that then
[15:46] <minus> :)
[15:47] <eagles0513875> maco:  i cant find where the user groups are in system settings
[15:47] <maco> eagles0513875: just type "groups" into the terminal
[15:48] <eagles0513875> maco im admin
[15:48] <eagles0513875> let me reboot i think there was a kernel update earlier today
[15:49] <eagles0513875> havent restarted yet
[15:50] <hanasaki> anyone been able to connect to exchange via owa on evolution?  it doesn't seem to use my http squid proxy at all.....
[15:51] <nemo> diana_: could it be your battery is just dead? :)
[15:51] <nemo> diana_: or badly seated?
[15:51] <nemo> or disconnected?
[15:52] <melik> will ubuntu also have a freebsd kernel port like debian as well?
[15:53] <acicula>  i was wondering that too, mind you the bsd kernel supports a lot less hardware then the linux kernel will
[15:53] <diana_> nemo, don't think so, as it worked fine under windows
[15:53] <diana_> before switched to linux
[15:53] <eagles0513875> maco: i restarted and its asking for password now but its still saying the same issue that i dont have permissions
[15:53] <melik> yes im aware of that acicula
[15:53] <eagles0513875> afte rtyping the password
[15:54] <eagles0513875> maco: now i hit install again and now its installing no problem
[15:54] <maco> melik: i doubt it. debian also supports HURD and about a dozen architectures, but Ubuntu doesn't
[15:55] <diana_> nemo, it just acts strange, like if i unplug and then replug AC it starts to charge the battery but stops quite soon
[15:55] <Creative1412> want your systm easy &modern? use ubuntu or Fedora   want a damn stable system use Debian
[15:56]  * lupine_85 hides from f
[15:56] <eagles0513875> strange now its not asking for a password
[15:56] <lupine_85> ...edora
[15:56] <eagles0513875> ewww
[15:57] <Creative1412> lolz :) don
[15:57]  * eagles0513875 points to the door :P
[15:57] <Creative1412> don't remine me
[15:57] <eagles0513875> lupine_85: j/k bout the door btw
[15:57] <lupine_85> fedora is 'orrible
[15:57] <eagles0513875> agreed
[15:57]  * eagles0513875 away
[15:57] <Creative1412> fed10 was as stable as  a paper house
[15:57] <lupine_85> mind you, ubuntu does some stuff that's just as crazy
[15:58] <Creative1412> but ubuntu is a rock:) like father like son :)
[15:58]  * lupine_85 misses inittab
[15:59] <drostie> Ugh. How could I grab a list of "recommended" packages that haven't yet been installed?
[16:01] <eagles0513875> !ot
[16:01] <darthanubis> http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/partner/source/Sources.bz2
[16:02] <darthanubis>  E:Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[16:02] <darthanubis> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1121286
[16:04] <eagles0513875> darthanubis: dont worry about it
[16:04] <eagles0513875> i just ignore it
[16:04] <maco> heh i actuallyhad one laptop that crashed all the time with debian stable but was fine with ubuntu
[16:05] <darthanubis> eagles0513875, I figured as much, just checking ;)
[16:07] <eagles0513875> ok darthanubis :)
[16:22] <deany> so, if its final freeze whatever, that mean there wont be any more daily iso`s?
[16:24] <Ienorand> deany: There will still be updates, but more QA on them... I think there'll still be daily's but I'm not sure...
[16:24] <aapzak> guys, I have a semi freezing system atm, hd light keeps burning, how do I find out whats going on?
[16:26] <unixdawg> cache
[16:26] <unixdawg> database
[16:27] <lfaraone> Hi, after a recent update to jaunty the quality of my wifi has decreased radically, to the point where I'm unable to load pages. (intermittent network issue, it's not a problem on my other machines)
[16:27] <YixilTesiphon1> updating alsa and pulseaudio broke my sound
[16:27]  * aapzak ah, mem usage is not high, I see no heavy processes in the process list, but my load is 12, 10, 6 now, on a 2 cpu system
[16:27] <YixilTesiphon1> how do I get rid of pulseaudio so alsa controlls my input/output again?
[16:30] <shadeslayer> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/ has a brightness meter in the screenshot,the latest post,right??
[16:30]  * aapzak I'm pretty sure it's X related .. after 5 minutes X crashed and now load is dropping again
[16:30] <shadeslayer> i cant trigger it
[16:31] <aapzak> shadeslayer: I have a brightness meter, although it looks slightly different
[16:31] <shadeslayer> aapzak: line thingy??
[16:32] <aapzak> yes
[16:32] <maco> YixilTesiphon1: if you want to turn off autospawn, thats in /etc/pulse/client.conf
[16:32] <shadeslayer> aapzak: me too
[16:32] <YixilTesiphon1> maco: thanks
[16:32] <maco> YixilTesiphon1: though itd be more helpful if you filed a bug explaining what pulseaudio did to break your sound
[16:32] <YixilTesiphon1> well, I have no idea
[16:33] <YixilTesiphon1> just now as options for sound profile I have Capture: Monitor of Null Output (PulseAudio)
[16:33] <maco> sound profile?
[16:33] <YixilTesiphon1> and I can't remember what I did to get ALSA to be in those options
[16:33] <maco> gnome-sound-properties or pavucontrol?
[16:33] <YixilTesiphon1> er, default mixer tracks
[16:34] <maco> what?
[16:34] <YixilTesiphon1> in preferences->sound
[16:34] <maco> ok so gnome-sound-properties
[16:34] <YixilTesiphon1> yeah
[16:35] <maco> YixilTesiphon1: i need to go run an errand. will be back in like a half hour. in the meantime, can you run the script found at http://alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[16:35] <YixilTesiphon1> maco: will do, thanks
[16:35] <shadeslayer> so can no one trigger it?
[16:37] <cecko> hello everybody, I beg you, could anybody disclose the Kubuntu Jaunty Beta default password to me?
[16:37] <shadeslayer> cecko: live cd/
[16:37] <shadeslayer> ??
[16:37] <cecko> yes live cd
[16:37] <ikonia> cecko: there isn't a default password
[16:37] <cecko> so how do I use su?
[16:37] <ikonia> cecko: it will log you in by default
[16:37] <ikonia> cecko: you don't
[16:37] <ikonia> !sudo > cecko
[16:38] <cecko> so I am root already, lol, thank you
[16:38] <cecko> stupid me
[16:40] <aapzak> back to EXA, I think UXA is freezing my system (not really freezing, but at least overload it)
[16:42] <lfaraone> maco: aren't you supposed to be working or something?
[16:42] <lfaraone> maco: :)
[16:43] <bazhang> cecko, is this ubuntu ultimate/ ubuntu super or some ubuntu-based distro you are using?
[16:44] <cecko> bazhang i am in live cd of kubuntu jaunty beta
[16:44] <bazhang> cecko, yes the livecd
[16:44] <maco> lfaraone: yes
[16:44] <Creative1412> guys what is the problem
[16:44] <Creative1412> http://pastebin.com/d75d6f894
[16:45] <cecko> can anybody help me: how do get gzipped output from dd? my disk is smaller than the partition I wish to backup
[16:46] <coz_> Creative1412, are you compiling something?
[16:46] <Creative1412> yes Aegisub
[16:46] <coz_> Creative1412,  sudo apt-get install -f
[16:46] <SwedeMike> cecko: output to of=- then pipe via gzip and > to the output file
[16:46] <coz_> Creative1412,  if that doesnt putll it in    sudo apt-get install libfontconfig1-dev
[16:48] <cecko> how do i pipe it, please? something like this? dd if=/dev/sda1 of=sda.img > gzip sda1.img.gz
[16:48] <SwedeMike> of=-
[16:48] <SwedeMike> and no
[16:48] <SwedeMike> dd if=/dev/sda1 of=- | gzip > sda1.img.gz
[16:48] <coz_> cecko,  pipe is   |  which is generall on the right side of the keyboard above  the \
[16:48] <Creative1412> coz_: thanks
[16:49] <cecko> SwedeMike  thank you
[16:49] <coz_> Creative1412, no problem
[16:49] <cecko> coz_ i can type, didn't know it's the symbol, though
[16:49] <cecko> thank you both
[16:49] <coz_> cecko,  no offense meant :)
[16:49] <cecko> coz_ sorry I meant I can type *it .)
[16:52] <kusanagi_> sound works with vlc but not in flash... im using 9.04 (it didnt work either using 8.10, i upgraded hoping somehow it work it out :S) im reading the forum but im still the same
[16:53] <kusanagi_> any idea :S  im quite frustrated already
[16:54] <coz_> cecko, oh :)
[16:57] <cecko> SwedeMike i used the command, now i have one file called "-" (30 MB - proper size) and one "sda.img.gz" (only 20 B)
[16:58] <cecko> SwedeMike that does not seem right
[16:58] <SwedeMike> I agree.
[16:58] <SwedeMike> that's weird.
[16:58] <cecko> it's on fat fs i think
[16:58] <SwedeMike> do it like this instead: cat /dev/sda1 | gzip > sda.img.gz
[17:00] <cecko> SwedeMike that works, thank you!
[17:02] <Ienorand> SwedeMike: Can you use cat instead of dd in that manner?
[17:03] <Creative1412> guys where can i find that :  wxWidgets
[17:04] <SwedeMike> Ienorand: yes.
[17:04] <coz_>                          Creative1412 http://www.wxwidgets.org/                                                                                                                                                                             guys
[17:04] <coz_> sorry  how did that happen:)
[17:04] <coz_> Creative1412,  http://www.wxwidgets.org/
[17:05] <cecko> don't you know, can I backup ntfs partitions using dd as well?
[17:05] <Ienorand> SwedeMike: Yea ,just checked it, I had the idea that dd was more low level... apparently not...
[17:05] <Creative1412> lol 4 line paste :P kick :P
[17:06] <SwedeMike> Ienorand: well, cat will treat it as a bunch of bits, dd will read in blocks... nothing inherently different apart from that.
[17:06] <kusanagi_> i have no sound in flash, it works in vlc... i created a new user and flahs works fine... any idea what do i have to delete to make it work in my user?
[17:10] <Creative1412> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[17:10] <Creative1412>   python-wxgtk2.8: Depends: python (< 2.6) but 2.6.1-0ubuntu9 is to be installed
[17:11] <Creative1412> wtf i can do !
[17:11] <Creative1412> 3 hours  to comple that aegisub
[17:13] <pzitek> Hallo here
[17:13] <pzitek> Please, is here someone whou could help me with odbc? Thank you
[17:15] <pzitek> I have one windows application, I can start in wine, but it can not connect to server with mysql database
[17:16] <pzitek> I can connect through MySql Administrator, but application does not work
[17:49] <sahak> I am using Ubuntu 9.04, and the search option in gnome-app-install does not seem to work. Can anybody get gnome-app-install search working under Ubuntu 9.04?
[17:56] <Ienorand> sahak: Works on this side
[17:57] <sahak> ok, it works. but not as expected
[17:57] <sahak> i was searching for 'bash'
[17:57] <sahak> and it was not finding anything
[17:57] <sahak> but it looks like this is the expected behavior
[18:00] <Ienorand> sahak: Hmm, seems it bugs out for me if I chose something else than all available and then switch back to it... then I have to restart the app for search to work at all....
[18:03] <Ienorand> sahak: And it doesn't seem to reset the category filters correctly when clicking all either...
[18:03] <Ienorand> sahak: This seems bad...
[18:05] <Ienorand> Could anyone else try this out, mess about with add/remove applications and see if it's filtering behaviour is sreiously messed up?
[18:06] <Ienorand> sahak: If I search immidiately after startup I find Data disp. debug. and BleachBit...
[18:08] <Ienorand> ...This is just a complete random mess... I don't even know where to start on a bug report...
[18:09] <sahak> Ienorand: I think I found a way to reproduce this bug reliably. 1. start gnome-app-install. 2. search for non-existing package (e.g. 'asdfg') 3. Now try to search for something that exists. gnome-app-install is totally screwed up.
[18:09] <thiebaude> Ienorand: launchpad is where you report bigs
[18:09] <thiebaude> bugs
[18:12] <Ienorand> thiebaude: I know and I found a buf for that... But I tested switching around with the categories filter, and the origin menu... And the behaviour is just a total mess. Completely random!
[18:13] <Ienorand> btw: Bug #354563 is the one just for searching.
[18:13] <usser> virtualbox 2.2 deb depends on python2.5 is there any way to make it think python2.6=python2.5
[18:20] <YixilTesiphon> is there a way to reverse upgrades with Synaptic?
[18:22] <YixilTesiphon> also, maco, are you back?
[18:25] <maco> YixilTesiphon: yeah
[18:25] <YixilTesiphon> maco: you get my PM with the results of that script?
[18:25] <maco> lemme look
[18:25] <YixilTesiphon> looks like alsa can't find my sound card at all now
[18:31] <krebsen> hey, im starting a new x server at :1 but there is no sound, do I need yet another parameter for X?
[18:39] <Ienorand> Could more people confirm Bug #354563 so whe can see if it affect everyone on Ibex, and if so, we should really add some importance to it.
[18:59] <naknomik>  On the Jaunty beta page http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/beta/ there is a i.MX51 Babbage board mentioned, anyone has any idea where I could buy that?
[18:59] <imachine> naknomik, did you try googling for the product?
[19:01] <imachine> endgadget seems to provide some links
[19:02] <imachine> but I think it's still early on and most of these systems are reference boards.
[19:02] <Holek_> http://i28.tinypic.com/2rqykwy.jpg
[19:02] <imachine> i.e. just a board, not a ready made system.
[19:03] <BUGabundo> hey everyone
[19:03] <Ienorand> BUGabundo: Hia
[19:04] <BUGabundo> Ienorand: hey
[19:07] <BUGabundo> this is calm today
[19:08] <janakaclk> yes it is!!
[19:09] <Ienorand> Rather, pity since I wanted to check if everyone is seeing Bug #354563  If so it should be at least of high importance...
[19:12] <djcip> so i have an atheros928xx card - lspci shows it - but when i disconnect my wired internet - i have no wireless card to configure - it worked until i ran apt-get install ndisgtk... because the linux driver is pretty terrible and i was hoping to get a windows driver to work,. but that failed
[19:12] <djcip> so i figured i'd like some wireless internet, rather than no internet at all
[19:13] <djcip> so how do i get my card working again?
[19:14] <mib_p0ul5tsv> hi, i have a problem, i edited the xorg.conf file and now my display is messed up,
[19:14] <mib_p0ul5tsv> i dont have a back up and access to the live CD were  i am
[19:15] <magcius> Is there a reason why git package refers to gnuit?
[19:16] <BUGabundo> mib_p0ul5tsv: boot into recovery mode, on grub, and run XFIX
[19:16] <BUGabundo> magcius: I think you want git-core
[19:16] <magcius> BUGabundo, yeah, I know, I'm just confused about the package naming.
[19:16] <BUGabundo> git is not the versoning package
[19:17] <magcius> git-core is the scm
[19:17] <BUGabundo> magcius: it already existed
[19:17] <magcius> git is gnuit
[19:17] <magcius> Ubuntu was around longer than git?
[19:17] <rconan> are there any CLI torrent making programs in the repos?
[19:17] <mib_p0ul5tsv> BUGabundo: i did, but it still happens,
[19:17] <rconan> I run rtorrent on my server for torrenting but have no way of making the torrents...
[19:18] <BUGabundo> magcius: not ubuntu, the gnu package
[19:18] <BUGabundo> rconan: yep 2 or 3
[19:18] <magcius> BUGabundo, but Ubuntu decides the package naming?
[19:18] <BUGabundo> mib_p0ul5tsv: it can't
[19:18] <janakaclk1> does anyone noticed a new winodw opening when playing a video in jaunty.
[19:18] <rconan> BUGabundo: which are...
[19:18] <BUGabundo> magcius: I think it came from debian
[19:18] <magcius> BUGabundo, ah, okay.
[19:19] <janakaclk1> I mean video outside the player
[19:19] <mib_p0ul5tsv> BUGabundo: what do you mean it cant,
[19:20] <magcius> janakaclk1, does it say XVideo output somewhere in it?
[19:20] <mib_p0ul5tsv> BUGabundo: is there a button other than the obvious power button that i can press to restart
[19:20] <janakaclk1> magcius: yes it does
[19:20] <magcius> janakaclk1, and you're running VLC?
[19:20] <mib_p0ul5tsv> BUGabundo: im on PCat the moment and laptop next to me.
[19:20] <magcius> janakaclk1, that's a result of VLC going to Qt
[19:21] <janakaclk1> magcius: Yes its vlc
[19:21] <janakaclk1> magcius: Ok thanks :)
[19:21] <magcius> janakaclk1, normal behavior.
[19:21] <magcius> janakaclk1, it happened because of a VLC upgrade.
[19:21] <magcius> (tl;dr it's not a bug it's a feature)
[19:23] <janakaclk1> magcius: ok.. I just tried with the rest of the players and they works okey
[19:26] <djcip> lspci -nn shows my wifi card - why dont i have gui options to configure it?
[19:27] <PhotoJim> djcip: lspci means it's present and working... doesn't mean there's a driver installed to run it
[19:28] <djcip> ok
[19:28] <djcip> ok - well it worked
[19:29] <djcip> then i ran apt-get ndisgtk
[19:29] <djcip> no its broken
[19:29] <djcip> *now its broken
[19:29] <djcip> help
[19:29] <djcip> oh
[19:29] <djcip> and i've removed ndisgtk
[19:29] <PhotoJim> I've never used ndiswrapper, so I can't be of specific help.  but you have a driver issue.
[19:29] <djcip> well i removed ndiswrapper
[19:29] <djcip> and yet the driver is still "poof gone"
[19:30] <shadeslayer> whats the command to download and install the nvidia restricted drivers?
[19:31] <djcip>  i think i'm just going to do a fresh install
[19:31] <djcip> cuz it works on the live cd
[19:31] <yoritomo> hello, as i see not yet possible to upgrade to jaunty beta by the command  sudo update-manager -d
[19:31] <LiMaO> shadeslayer: just access 'hardware drivers' icon, on your menu
[19:31] <yoritomo> only installable by the iso then ?
[19:32] <LiMaO> shadeslayer: it'll present you with all available restricted drivers for your system's hardware
[19:32] <shadeslayer> LiMaO: thats taking forever,i waited 3 min and nothing happens
[19:32] <djcip> yoritomo, probably that's true
[19:32] <djcip> yoritomo, and its probably a fresh install with user migration
[19:32] <yoritomo> what do you le ?
[19:32] <Turms_> LiMaO: co not be so sure! maybe it depends from the graphic hw but it doesn't always work
[19:32] <BUGabundo1> sorry guys...
[19:32] <yoritomo> mean
[19:32] <LiMaO> shadeslayer: what takes forever? downloading and installing the drivers (it's normal to take quite a long time) or to open the application's window?
[19:32] <BUGabundo1> got the 2nd system crash in under 24h.
[19:33] <BUGabundo1> this is looking bad.
[19:33] <shadeslayer> LiMaO: download and installing,the bar is stuck at 0pc
[19:33] <LiMaO> shadeslayer: sometimes it takes sooo long... unfortunately, that's just the way it is
[19:33] <BUGabundo1> one of them, kernel panic... this system never had a kernel panic in the past 14 months
[19:33] <Turms_> LiMaO: in may case i had to download the driver and install it with m-a
[19:33] <djcip> yoritomo, there's probably no "upgrade" install - its probably going to have you wipe your machine, but allows you to move ur user data from the old OS to the new one - i believe it just moves ur user profile into ram/swap and then moves it over after the fresh install
[19:34] <LiMaO> shadeslayer: but don't worry, it'll work. if you really think the application has hung up, just try again
[19:34] <shadeslayer> LiMaO: :( ,so no command for me?
[19:34] <shadeslayer> ok
[19:34] <Turms_> LiMaO: there was no way to use the applet
[19:34] <djcip> shadeslayer, yah - they want  you to use the gui
[19:34] <LiMaO> shadeslayer: maybe Turms_ can help you with the module-assistant thing
[19:34] <djcip> which of course has a cli... but we can't help you because no in here is really all the helpful lol
[19:34] <shadeslayer> and one more thing,my eject button wont work
[19:34] <LiMaO> Turms_: guide him
[19:34] <djcip> shadeslayer, u on a mac?
[19:35] <Turms_> LiMaO: ok
[19:35] <shadeslayer> djcip: i dont think so,and no
[19:35] <yoritomo> yes but it does not works, stoping always with the same files, from canonical
[19:35] <shadeslayer> djcip: Dell XPS M1530
[19:35] <Turms_> shadeslayer: you can either download the driver from nvidia site
[19:35] <djcip> oh - so its an eject button on ur keyboard?
[19:35] <shadeslayer> djcip: a multimedia button on top
[19:36]  * djcip doesn't understand why he's having a driver issue... GD it
[19:36] <shadeslayer> Turms_: and? just run it?
[19:36] <Turms_> shadeslayer: and install it by ./NVIDIA*.run
[19:36] <djcip> shadeslayer, huh... so keyboard mapping is probably not going to work?
[19:36] <LiMaO> shadeslayer: remember that by installing the driver from the nvidia site it won't get updated automatically when a new one is available
[19:36] <shadeslayer> djcip: well,xev shows all the other buttons
[19:36] <Turms_> shadeslayer: obviously you should download the proper driver for your graphic card and kernel headers or kernel source
[19:37] <shadeslayer> LiMaO: ill remeber that
[19:37] <shadeslayer> Turms_: ok
[19:37] <djcip> shadeslayer, huh... i dont really know
[19:37] <LiMaO> shadeslayer: and also whenever a new kernel update is available you'll have to rebuild the modules for the nvidia driver (reinstall it)
[19:37] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:37] <shadeslayer> thats alot of work
[19:37] <Turms_> shadeslayer: the other way is to use the repository and down load the nvidia source for the module
[19:38]  * shadeslayer uses the GUI
[19:38] <wirechief_> shadeslayer: thats why people use scripts...
[19:38] <shadeslayer> hehe,well i dont know how to make one,im just a beginner
[19:38] <Turms_> shadeslayer: it will download automatically the kernel headers as well
[19:39] <shadeslayer> testing a beta release since i liked the new look
[19:39] <shadeslayer> ok
[19:39] <Turms_> shadeslayer: if you are a beginner why are you using jaunty
[19:39] <shadeslayer> Turms_: testing a beta release since i liked the new look
[19:39] <Turms_> shadeslayer: stick with intrepid till the end of april and upgrade afterwards
[19:40] <shadeslayer> Turms_: too late for that :)
[19:40] <rconan> I think the topic should say something like "If you can't tell us *why* you're using jaunty over intrepid please don't ask for help"
[19:40] <djcip> fml
[19:40] <djcip> fm wifi card
[19:40] <Turms_> shadeslayer: ok, i read that, but you must know what are you doing if you use a beta release, for doing that you need some experience, which obviously you do not have
[19:40] <rconan> since some people seem to end up on it by accident
[19:40] <djcip> all i wanted to do was use a better driver..
[19:40] <djcip> that's all i wanted
[19:41] <djcip> then it breaks everything
[19:41] <Ienorand> Hey, we need beginner input on development as well, they are able to break things in new and interesting ways :)
[19:41] <shadeslayer> Turms_: i have a *bit* of experience,not much,about 1.5 months of it
[19:41] <LiMaO> Turms_: oh c'mon, jaunty is pretty stable and reliable already
[19:41] <Turms_> rconan: because i like the bleeding edge .... but i'm using squeeze right now :-D
[19:41] <BUGabundo1> rconan: its cwillu bug #2
[19:42] <Turms_> LiMaO: well, the problem with hw drivers is important
[19:42] <LiMaO> Turms_: been using it for a long time now, never had a single problem. the hotkey thing was fixed with a patch.. that was the only erratic thing up to now
[19:42] <shadeslayer> ill brb
[19:42] <askand> Im trying to install Jaunty from daily image but get busybox
[19:42] <rconan> all fair answers... but some people do actually say "I don't know" at which point they really should be using intrepid
[19:43] <askand> same with all images a week back
[19:43] <Turms_> LiMaO: as i told you previously, maybe the problem is due to the fact that my nvidia is quite old, an mx 400
[19:43] <LiMaO> the only thing i miss is amarok 1.4... this amarok 2 thing is really crappy =P
[19:43] <rconan> I like amarok2
[19:43] <firephoto> so why was the guy told to go download the nvidia driver when the latest is already in the jaunty repos?
[19:44] <BUGabundo1> askand: disabling ACPI helps?
[19:44] <BUGabundo1> firephoto: those who do that are stupid
[19:44] <BUGabundo1> and won't get any bit of help, from us
[19:44] <askand> BUGabundo1: dont know, will try
[19:44] <Turms_> firephoto: i've told it, the reason is that you can do the same thing in several ways, not always the repository one is the most workable
[19:45] <firephoto> well the guy got told he didn't know enough after he was told to go download it. lol...
[19:45] <BUGabundo1> firephoto: than that person was an even worse helper
[19:45] <shadeslayer> ok i just need help with my eject button
[19:45] <DanaG> "      ALSA: hda - Map 3stack-hp model (ALC888) for HP Educ.ar "
[19:45] <BUGabundo1> generaly *we* recommend ppl to run the repos version
[19:45] <rconan> the repo version of nvidia drivers is much better in general since it can be removed again...
[19:45] <DanaG> Educ.ar?  Never heard of such a machine!
[19:46] <firephoto> installing nvidia-glx-... does work. always does infact unless someone has helped the person of let themselves screw something up.
[19:47] <askand> BUGabundo1: nope didnt help
[19:48] <BUGabundo1> askand: please tell me about your prob
[19:48] <shadeslayer> is there any special multimedia key package for jaunty as well,like intrepid
[19:48] <shadeslayer> LiMaO: it worked,it worked :)
[19:49] <shadeslayer> SandGorgon: Airtel user?
[19:49] <naknomik> imachine: yes, I googled on imx51 and don't find anything anywhere... my guess is this is not yet available publicly
[19:50] <askand> BUGabundo1: the problems is that when trying to install Jaunty from daily image I get busybox, I dont even reach install
[19:50] <imachine> naknomik, indeed
[19:50] <kepi> hey guys, just curious, can i use btrfs in jaunty?
[19:50] <youngmusic> Just installed jaunty. Everything went well, except for grub did not install. Had to do it manually from a rescue disk. Is that a known problem?
[19:51] <janakaclk1> youngmusic: not for me
[19:51] <BUGabundo1> youngmusic: some ppl have been reporting that
[19:52] <BUGabundo1> please look in LP, and file a new bug, if it doesn't exist yet
[19:52] <youngmusic> oh, never used LP before, but iĺl try
[19:52] <BUGabundo1>  !launchpad
[19:53] <youngmusic> ok ok, i'll do it :-)
[19:54] <BUGabundo1> youngmusic: first look for a similar
[19:55] <BUGabundo1> if there is none, and you need to file a new one, ask here first
[19:55] <BUGabundo1> and I'll help you out, ok?
[19:55] <youngmusic> Sure
[19:56] <LiMaO> shadeslayer: that's great =) see, patience is a virtue =P
[19:56] <shadeslayer> heh,my notebook boots faster than i get signed out of yahoo
[19:56] <shadeslayer> LiMaO: now its just the issue of the eject key
[19:56] <LiMaO> shadeslayer: let me explain you something, it IS working
[19:57] <LiMaO> shadeslayer: but sometimes the system won't let you hard-eject a disc if it's mounted
[19:57] <shadeslayer> LiMaO: ill try to unmount and eject
[19:57] <LiMaO> shadeslayer: that way, you have to soft-eject the drive. right click on your disc icon and select eject, or unmount it and hard-eject it
[19:58] <BUGabundo1> shadeslayer: or run $ eject
[20:00] <shadeslayer> LiMaO: ok your advice worked again :) , but i want it to unmount and eject as and when i press the eject button
[20:00] <shadeslayer> and shouldmt notify osd display a notification?
[20:01] <shadeslayer> *nt
[20:01] <LiMaO> shadeslayer: that's something i never tried.. i usually right click the disc and choose 'eject'...
[20:01] <shadeslayer> LiMaO: Intrepid did all that by itself
[20:02] <LiMaO> shadeslayer: wait a second, let me check something
[20:02] <shadeslayer> sure
[20:03] <LiMaO> shadeslayer: seems some more dell users ask the same thing @ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1017740
[20:05] <BUGabundo1> kernel: [ 1818.576309] general protection fault: 0000 [#4] SMP
[20:05] <darrend> hi.  The new notifications widget (black translucent boxes in the top right of the screen) .. where is that configured?
[20:05] <BUGabundo1> this can't be good
[20:06] <shadeslayer> LiMaO: exact same problem :)
[20:06] <BUGabundo1> darrend: it isn't!
[20:06] <BUGabundo1> darrend: that's all you get
[20:06] <darrend> BUGabundo1: ah..
[20:06] <darrend> so I can't change location or switch them on/off even?
[20:06] <shadeslayer> do those boxes play spoilsport in KDE as well?
[20:06] <youngmusic> BUGabundo1: the exact bug seems not reported for jaunty, but some people were complaining about it in 8.10. Still, i do not have much information. Just one installation, no install log, with a manual partioning scheme. You think a bug report with only this could be useful?
[20:07] <BUGabundo1> darrend: there's a gconf key to change places, but that's all, and you have to manually create it
[20:07] <BUGabundo1> youngmusic: yes
[20:07] <darrend> BUGabundo1: I can cope with that - is it documented somewhere?#
[20:08] <BUGabundo1> youngmusic: do it like this. create a LP account if you still don't have one
[20:08] <BUGabundo1> then run $ ubuntu-bug grub
[20:08] <BUGabundo1> let it collect all the data, and upload to LP, when the page opens descrive your problem, and let us know about the bug id
[20:09] <BUGabundo1> darrend: AFAIK, no... I just read about in on a bug report, about multi monitor, placement
[20:09] <LiMaO> shadeslayer: do dells have an eject button on the keyboard? that's cool =P
[20:09] <darrend> BUGabundo1: which bug report?  Still have the number/url?
[20:10] <shadeslayer> LiMaO: actually a multimedia eject button,on top of the keyboard,since mine has a slot load drive
[20:10] <BUGabundo1> darrend: I'll have to grep my archive, can you hold?
[20:10] <darrend> sure
[20:11] <LiMaO> shadeslayer: some of my multimedia buttons don't work either. but i never tried listening for keypress codes and assigning commands to it though... that's something you should tyr
[20:11] <LiMaO> try(
[20:11] <LiMaO> try*
[20:12] <shadeslayer> LiMaO: hmm,well i dont want to 9.04 to end up like what i did to 8.10
[20:13] <shadeslayer> xev doesnt detect the button tho
[20:13] <youngmusic> BUGabundo1: reported as Bug #359227
[20:14] <youngmusic> some fast bot...
[20:14] <shadeslayer> yeah
[20:15] <BUGabundo1> darrend: Bug 336848
[20:15] <shadeslayer> gah.... notify osd broken,play multi media key not detected
[20:15] <BUGabundo1> youngmusic: thanks
[20:16] <shadeslayer> ok guys\
[20:16] <shadeslayer> bye all
[20:16] <shadeslayer> thanks btw
[20:18] <lupine_85> oooooooooooh, power history
[20:19] <youngmusic> sorry, X restarted
[20:19] <gopogo> jaunty jackass is amazing
[20:19]  * bruce89 wonders why so many call it "jackass"
[20:21] <Halow> Perhaps they refuse to believe in jackalopes? ;)
[20:22] <BUGabundo1> Halow: lol
[20:37] <darrend> BUGabundo1: thanks
[20:43] <BUGabundo1> darrend: np
[20:48] <unixdawg> what tool will let me look in a rpm ?
[20:49] <BUGabundo1> unixdawg: alien allows you to create a deb
[20:49] <bruce89> unixdawg: less?
[20:50] <unixdawg> co alien will convert from rpm to deb ?
[20:50] <unixdawg> co /so
[20:51] <unixdawg> I need the files in the rpm but dont want to install it
[20:51] <BUGabundo1> not my departement, and very off topic for this #
[20:52] <BUGabundo1>  ! ot | unixdawg
[20:52] <bruce89> unixdawg: perhaps good old file-roller can manage it
[20:56] <deany> you could make deb and use dpkg to extract
[20:57] <unixdawg> the pkg is a rpmcurrently
[20:57] <GAZRA> Is someone using Kubuntu Jaunty Here?
[20:57] <acicula> i keep bumping into  W:Failed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/partner/source/Sources.bz2 Hash Sum mismatch when running update-manager -d
[20:57] <unixdawg> yes
[20:58] <acicula> anyone else having this problem?
[20:58] <BUGabundo1> acicula: that's not a public server
[20:58] <BUGabundo1> try archive.ubuntu.com
[20:59] <acicula> BUGabundo1: it's what the update manager uses, i cant change it ?
[20:59] <GAZRA> unixdawg: If you are using Kubuntu Jaunty, have you started Kontact or Kopete? I'm getting a big problem with akondai Server: http://pastebin.com/d2c95143c
[20:59] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[20:59] <unixdawg> kopete is working here
[20:59] <BUGabundo1> acicula: sure you can! just open Software Sources, in the Administration menu
[20:59] <GAZRA> unixdawg: #
[20:59] <GAZRA> Akonadi control process not registered at D-Bus.
[20:59] <GAZRA> #
[20:59] <GAZRA> Details: The Akonadi control process is not registered at D-Bus which typically means it was not started or encountered a fatal error during startup.
[21:00] <BUGabundo1> GAZRA: pastebin dude
[21:00] <BUGabundo1>  !paste | GAZRA
[21:00] <unixdawg> try updating
[21:00] <acicula> BUGabundo1: yes, been there ,but that does not affect where update-manager fetches it's initial files from appearantly
[21:00] <unixdawg> and dist upgrading
[21:00] <BUGabundo1> acicula: yes it does
[21:00] <unixdawg> the only issue I have is pulseaudio wich is now disabled
[21:01] <GAZRA> BUGabundo1: I did, I just wanted to paste 2 lines, saddly two "#" got in between, it was not on purpose
[21:01] <acicula> BUGabundo1: no it doesnt, it changes where the package sources are fetched from, but not where the update manager fetches the source list descriptor files appearantly?
[21:02] <GAZRA> unixdawg: I'm up to date!
[21:02] <BUGabundo1> acicula: it can't be...
[21:02] <BUGabundo1> you need to find someone that confirms it
[21:02] <acicula> BUGabundo1: i got the message when i set it to a local mirror, i set it to the main mirror and i got the same issue
[21:02] <BUGabundo1> acicula: pastebin your sources.list
[21:03] <GAZRA> Another problem I have with Kubuntu Jaunty is that skype is not recieving the sound from my Microphone. But the microphone works
[21:03] <BUGabundo1> acicula: $ pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:03] <BUGabundo1> GAZRA: known prob! look in launchpad
[21:04] <GAZRA> BUGabundo1: Which one? The Skyoe one with the Microphone? Or the one with Akonadi server?
[21:04] <BUGabundo1> dtchen: ping. is there a way to use an EQ with pulse? my speakers suck if I don't improve it. VLC and some others media apps allow me to do that, and sound improves a lot.
[21:05] <BUGabundo1> GAZRA: skype with PA
[21:05] <acicula> BUGabundo1: dont think the sources are involved, i get the same wethere i set it to main or to a local mirror
[21:05] <BUGabundo1> acicula: please paste it
[21:05] <BUGabundo1> we need to debug that
[21:05] <acicula> BUGabundo1: also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/358893
[21:05] <acicula> BUGabundo1: http://pastebin.com/f5fe2e7ac
[21:06] <acicula> it doesnt crash, the report is poor, it just stops on account of a mismatch hash
[21:06] <acicula> hmm i could disable the archive.ubuntu.com and see what happens
[21:07] <BUGabundo1> deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu intrepid partner
[21:07] <unixdawg> got what I was looking for rpm2cpio
[21:07] <BUGabundo1> comment the parter repo acicula
[21:07] <acicula> yeah already trying that
[21:07] <BUGabundo1> acicula: that's interpid!!!!!! we are here for jaunty
[21:07] <unixdawg> GAZRA, you have to install the also-oss pkg
[21:07] <BUGabundo1> for ibex please refer to #ubuntu
[21:08] <acicula> BUGabundo1: i'm trying to use the updater to get to jaunty
[21:08] <GAZRA> alsa-oss pkg?
[21:09] <BUGabundo1> acicula: $ update-manager -d
[21:09] <BUGabundo1> or $ do-release-upgrade -d and paste the errors to a bug on LP
[21:09] <unixdawg> yes there is a alsa-oss pkg
[21:09] <unixdawg> that then fixes the mic issue
[21:09] <unixdawg> off to shower
[21:10] <acicula> BUGabundo1: it works when commenting out the offending lines
[21:10] <BUGabundo1> nice
[21:10] <acicula> BUGabundo1: i didnt had it before, but i aborted the upgrade run
[21:10] <BUGabundo1> now come up to Jaunty! the Future awaits you
[21:10] <acicula> bugs await me, but oh well :)
[21:10] <GAZRA> unixdawg: And then what?
[21:10] <acicula> so guessing the update script messed with it
[21:11] <BUGabundo1> should nt
[21:11] <BUGabundo1> if it did, file a bug, so mvo can fix it
[21:14] <acicula> BUGabundo1: i started update and aborted, restart a day later without modifying the sources.list it fails, after i remove the lines it works again. hardly concrete proof it's the installer but still
[21:16] <unixdawg> then run yous skype
[21:16] <unixdawg> it will work
[21:16] <unixdawg> bbl shower
[21:26] <OldGuest> hello
[21:28] <OldGuest> wine application launched in second workspace disappears if workspace is switched
[21:28] <OldGuest> system monitor shows application is running, but cannot get back to application window
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> OldGuest: can you alt+tab to it?
[21:29] <OldGuest> nop
[21:29] <OldGuest> it usually happens when compiz is enabled
[21:30] <OldGuest> if i disable compiz, things get to normal
[21:30] <WAR-JC> cant install cedega
[21:30] <WAR-JC> says python2.4-dbus is not installed
[21:30] <WAR-JC> but it is
[21:31] <KerrMD> How could I go about getting the left side tree and top folder path views back in nautilus?
[21:32] <deany> View/Side pane and Location bar?
[21:32] <OldGuest> i am not sure whether its due to compiz or not, but one thing for sure if right click on desktop >> change background >> effects >> select Normal or Extra. this event happens.
[21:32] <OldGuest> but it doesn't happen with None option being checked
[21:33] <KerrMD> deany, those options are not visible.
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> KerrMD: F9 maybe?
[21:33] <KerrMD> F9 doesn't do a thing
[21:33] <HammerHead66> can somehelp with this bug?   http://paste.ubuntu.com/148576/  here is the Xorg.0.log http://launchpadlibrarian.net/25215394/Xorg.0.log thank you.
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> KerrMD: look in the view folder maybe. I dont use nautilus personally
[21:34] <KerrMD> ActionParsnip,  view folder?
[21:34] <alex_mayorga> how to locally test a small change to mobile-broadband-provider-info ?
[21:34] <KerrMD> ActionParsnip, I've been out of linux for a good 10 years and do not remember much
[21:34] <deany> personally id backup the .nautilus folder and remove it.... just to try.
[21:34] <ActionParsnip> KerrMD: view menu, sorry
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> HammerHead66: are you fully updated?
[21:35] <KerrMD> Well, what I would love to do is completely replace nautilus with something line gnomecommander but have no clue how to do so.
[21:35] <KerrMD> ActionParsnip, the view menu has a "reset to default" option but that does not do a thing
[21:35] <deany> try pcmanfm
[21:36] <HammerHead66> ﻿ActionParsnip: I'm bug triage right now for someone else
[21:36] <KerrMD> deany, How would I make that the devault FM?
[21:36] <HammerHead66> ﻿ActionParsnip: that's all the info I have right now
[21:37] <deany> there is a way, if you google it
[21:37] <deany> ive seen it, once.
[21:37] <deany> while passing by
[21:38] <deany> try it out before you decide you want it.
[21:38] <ActionParsnip> KerrMD: try: killall nautilus; mv ~/.gconf/apps/nautilus ~/.gconf/apps/nautilus_old
[21:38] <ActionParsnip> KerrMD: then rerun nautilus, it will reset the settings to defaults
[21:38] <deany> doh..  more than 1 place..
[21:38] <deany> gettin more like windows everyday , jk
[21:39] <OldGuest> ActionParsnip: also alt+tab doesn't work properly. i can only see other window as long as alt+tab is being pressed, secondly mouse cursor never leaves wine app screen, but if mouse cursor does leave, the wine window disappears
[21:39] <deany> good work Ace|Work
[21:39] <deany> i mean ActionParsnip
[21:39] <WAR-JC> anyone installed cedega successfully in jaunty?
[21:39] <ActionParsnip> HammerHead66: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:40] <KerrMD> no dice ActionParsnip
[21:40] <ActionParsnip> WAR-JC: jaunty isnt supported here, join #ubuntu+1
[21:40] <ActionParsnip> WAR-JC: oops, sorry
[21:41] <ActionParsnip> WAR-JC: you could contact the cedega guys with your issue as well, see what they say
[21:41] <hil> KerrMD: what do you see now? what you wanna change?
[21:41] <ActionParsnip> WAR-JC: you could force install it to see if it flys
[21:41] <WAR-JC> how?
[21:41] <HammerHead66> ﻿ActionParsnip: I will have them try that thank you for your time.
[21:42] <KerrMD> hil, the same thing I did before. I'm checking on replacing nautilus since I have never been a huge fan of it
[21:42] <ActionParsnip> WAR-JC: sudo dpkg --force-all -i <deb file>
[21:42] <ActionParsnip> WAR-JC: i'd let them know about the dep error though. As you have paid for support you should use it
[21:44] <WAR-JC> that worked thanks
[21:44] <ActionParsnip> WAR-JC: i'm unsure if it will work fully due to the error but it might be ok
[21:48] <hil> KerrMD: try edit /usr/share/applications/nautilus-computer.desktop  and  /usr/share/applications/nautilus-folder-handler.desktop to exec your chosen FM
[21:49] <KerrMD> hil, thank you but I am replacing nautilus
[21:50] <hil> KerrMD: replace the exec path in these files to for example Exec=pcmanfm /   this will launch this app instead
[21:51] <hil> KerrMD: wasnt that what u asked for?
[21:51] <KerrMD> hil, I have  a guide that I am following. ALthough first I have to compile pcman
[21:52] <hil> KerrMD: alright ;)
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> KerrMD: I'd suggest pcman :)
[21:53] <BUGabundo1> can any one else reproduce bug 321862 ?
[21:54] <ActionParsnip> BUGabundo1: is it still present in jaunty?
[21:55] <BUGabundo1> ActionParsnip: read the last comment. its mine, and I just reproduce it
[21:57] <ActionParsnip> BUGabundo1: are the drives usb powered?
[21:57] <BUGabundo1> the disk is, the usb pendrive isn't (of course)
[21:57] <BUGabundo1> grrr
[21:58] <BUGabundo1> I mean.. powered by AC plug
[21:58] <ActionParsnip> BUGabundo1: chillout man
[21:58] <BUGabundo1> I'm calm, thanks! LOL
[21:58] <ActionParsnip> BUGabundo1: how big is your PSU?
[21:58] <BUGabundo1> PSU ?!?
[21:58] <ActionParsnip> BUGabundo1: power supply?
[21:59] <BUGabundo1> from what? laptop or disc?
[21:59] <BUGabundo1> laptop has a conventional PSU plus battery
[21:59] <BUGabundo1> external disc has the factory FSU
[22:00] <ActionParsnip> BUGabundo1: no, the psu in the system will be like 60W or some other figure, if there is insufficient power to power the usb then it could affect
[22:00] <KerrMD> Bah, I can't find this library. libstartup-notification-1.0
[22:01] <BUGabundo1> ActionParsnip: the laptop one is a 19v 4.74 Amps output
[22:02] <ActionParsnip> BUGabundo1: laptops usually give enough juice
[22:02] <BUGabundo1> yeah me too
[22:02] <BUGabundo1> and I have my battery in place and fully charged
[22:03] <ActionParsnip> BUGabundo1: you could try a bios update (risky)
[22:03] <acicula> yeah, usb ports are rated to 500Ma, so at best a dual usb can draw an additional 5-6 wats?
[22:03] <BUGabundo1> I measured it a few weeks ago, and regular consume is 40W. I saw the PSU go up to 70W while chareging
[22:03] <acicula> that's not uncommon, especially if your battery is over 80% full
[22:04] <BUGabundo1> it was depleted back then
[22:04] <acicula> i only have a 65W adapter, but i use a selfpowered hub
[22:05] <acicula> with a disk and some sticks
[22:05] <acicula> havent had the issues just listed with that
[22:06] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[22:06] <BUGabundo1> ActionParsnip: AFAIK there's no BIOS update for this laptop. it's a "white" brand
[22:06] <BUGabundo1> BluesKaj: hay
[22:06] <ActionParsnip> "white"
[22:06] <ActionParsnip> ?
[22:06] <BUGabundo1> no brand
[22:06] <BUGabundo1> OEM amsebled
[22:06] <BluesKaj> hi BUGabundo1, ActionParsnip
[22:06] <BUGabundo1> its a Asustek S37S barebone
[22:08] <joshua24> hello all
[22:09] <ActionParsnip> BUGabundo1: if yoou webseach for     Asustek S37S bios theres a fair few hits
[22:10] <BUGabundo1> ActionParsnip: most of them are ppl asking for it LOL
[22:10] <ActionParsnip> have you tried the asus website?
[22:11] <kindofabuzz> my upgrades just fail. it says it needs to do a partial so i hit run partial, does then downloading, then nothing
[22:13] <kindofabuzz> ok works from cli, gui is broken i guess
[22:13] <BUGabundo1> ActionParsnip: Asustek != ASUS
[22:13] <BUGabundo1> kindofabuzz: don't do partial upgrades, if you don't know what you are doing
[22:14] <BUGabundo1> it may remove some packages
[22:14] <kindofabuzz> BUGabundo1, well i had no choice from the gui, either partial or cancel
[22:21] <KerrMD> deany, did you compile pcman?
[22:22] <deany> no
[22:22] <KerrMD> dang
[22:22] <KerrMD> I keep getting an error
[22:22] <deany> well, im still intrepid
[22:22] <kindofabuzz> wrong channel then
[22:23] <deany> i decided its not worth the headaches to go real on jaunty yet
[22:23] <KerrMD> WHen I ./configure I get "No package 'libstartup-notification-1.0' found" after a while
[22:23] <deany> kindofabuzz, shut up
[22:23] <kindofabuzz> deany, eat one
[22:23] <deany> its in repo isnt it
[22:23] <KerrMD> no
[22:23] <BUGabundo1> kindofabuzz: calm down, please!
[22:23] <KerrMD> I've installed every other build requirement for pcman but that one is non existant
[22:23] <BUGabundo1> deany: try no to sound so aggressive, too. thanks
[22:23] <deany> spank ubuntu maintainers then
[22:24]  * kindofabuzz is very calm. i love you percocets!
[22:24] <bruce89> !info libstartup-notification-dev
[22:24] <bruce89> !info libstartup-notification0-dev
[22:24] <KerrMD> Told ya :p
[22:24] <dtchen> what's the issue with pcman?
[22:24] <BUGabundo1> $ dpkg -S libstartup-notification-1.0dpkg: *libstartup-notification-1.0* not found.
[22:25] <KerrMD> dtchen, trying to compile it for amd64 to replace nautilus
[22:25] <BUGabundo1> dtchen: is there a way to use an EQ with pulse? my speakers suck if I don't improve it. VLC and some others media apps allow me to do that, and sound improves a lot.
[22:25] <Daisuke-Ido> you could just install from the repo
[22:25] <dtchen> KerrMD: i assume you mean it's FTFBS?
[22:25] <dtchen> FTBFS*
[22:25] <KerrMD> It's not in the repo
[22:26] <KerrMD> No, PCManFS
[22:26] <Daisuke-Ido> pcmanfm - an extremely fast and lightweight file manager for X
[22:26] <KerrMD> http://pcmanfm.sourceforge.net/build.html
[22:26] <Daisuke-Ido> fm.  file manager.
[22:26] <dtchen> err, pcmanfm is in jaunty
[22:26] <Daisuke-Ido> it's there.  i'm using jaunty, 64-bit, and i have pcmanfm as my default
[22:26] <dtchen> what's the issue?
[22:26] <KerrMD> Doesn't show in mine
[22:26] <Daisuke-Ido> so again, why not install from the repo?
[22:27] <Daisuke-Ido> that's because you're looking for pcmanfs
[22:27] <KerrMD> I did a search for strictly FS and did not find it
[22:27] <dtchen>      0.5-3 0
[22:27] <dtchen>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
[22:27] <KerrMD> er fm
[22:27] <dtchen> it's definitely there
[22:27] <BUGabundo1> $ apt-cache policy pcmanfm  Candidate: 0.5-3
[22:27] <remu> Hey everyone, I installed mail-notification, and the test notification uses the Jaunty notification system, however, when mail actually comes in, it gives me a popup rather than notifiying me through the jaunty notification method. anyone know how I might be able to rectify that?
[22:27] <BUGabundo1> remu: what email client?
[22:28] <KerrMD> so, what am I throwing into the apt-get line? not pcmanfm I assume
[22:28] <Halow> Do you have universe repo enabled?
[22:28] <KerrMD> checking
[22:29] <KerrMD> Yep, universe is enabled
[22:29] <Daisuke-Ido> isn't universe enabled by default in jaunty?
[22:29] <Daisuke-Ido> KerrMD: sudo apt-get install pcmanfm
[22:29] <Daisuke-Ido> that's it
[22:29] <dtchen> universe is enabled by default if you have an active 'net connection during install
[22:29] <dtchen> it has been that way for several releases now
[22:30] <KerrMD> Ok, I KNOW I typed it correctly about 30min - an hour ago and had no love.
[22:30] <dtchen> that's just your jaunty trying to make you really sure you want pcmanfm.
[22:30] <KerrMD> lol
[22:30] <KerrMD> It's gonna make me break out the rubber hose
[22:33] <Daisuke-Ido> heh...  interrogation the linux way
[22:33] <KerrMD> You know it
[22:33] <mirk> is the release of the RC a goot time to upgrade from intrepid or is it better to wait for the release of the final version?
[22:34] <KerrMD> BOth upgrades I did went very well and smoothly.
[22:34] <KerrMD> This one is just a fresh install of 9.04
[22:34] <Daisuke-Ido> KerrMD: same here.  i decided to go to 64-bit on my laptop, and there was no sense in sticking with intrepid when jaunty's so close
[22:34] <mirk> sounds good
[22:35] <mirk> i prefer an upgrade from intrepid. a fresh install means too much work for me now^^
[22:36] <KerrMD> Indeed. I had issues with my network connection with this one. Not to mention samba being a pain in the backside
[22:39] <KerrMD> hmm, I have no /usr/share/applications/nautilus-computer.desktop or /usr/share/applications/nautilus-folder-handler.desktop
[22:45] <bootninja> howdy  is this the place to go when having issues with the Jaunty beta?
[22:45] <KerrMD> yep
[22:46] <bootninja> All in all, I'm very impressed.  wireless, 3d video drivers, extra mouse buttons all work out of the box.  The only problem I'm having is that I can't get sound out of my headphone jack on my laptop.
[22:46] <bootninja> apparently it seems to be a problem with pulseaudio and my soundcard
[22:48] <mirk> mutes at alsamixer?
[22:48] <bootninja> nope
[22:48] <bootninja> that was the first thing I checked.  I think part of it might be that in switches I have no selection for headphones
[22:49] <mirk> sometimes youve just to play with the buttons of your volume control..always worked for me :>
[22:50] <BUGabundo1> mirk: I did mine even before alpha 1 came out, and it is still rolling
[22:50] <bootninja> I've unmuted and turned all the way up every slider in there and still no dice
[22:51] <BUGabundo1> bootninja: you have to talk to dtchen to help debug
[22:51] <BUGabundo1> dtchen: ping. can you help bootninja and his speakers probs?
[22:51] <mirk> also tried "duplicate front"?
[22:51] <darthanubis> I can't run the user-admin app as regular user
[22:52] <KerrMD> Well I think I found out the initial problem that I had with nautilus. The same issue has be stonewalled in making PCMan my default.
[22:52] <KerrMD> rather, the 'cause' of the initial problem
[22:52] <deany> KerrMD, which is what?
[22:53] <KerrMD> I am missing the files nautilus-computer.desktop and nautilus-folder-handler.desktop
[22:53] <deany> i d say run explorer.exe in wine but it aint funny..
[22:53] <KerrMD> No more windows on my computers. I'm sick of it
[22:53] <dtchen> BUGabundo1: / bootninja: sorry, no. i'm working furiously to fix the last of the PulseAudio & Linux performance issues.
[22:54] <BUGabundo1> dtchen: no prob. glad you can help fix those
[22:54] <KerrMD> Question is how would I go about getting those files?
[22:54] <bootninja> yeah, thanks anyway
[22:59] <YixilTesiphon> gah. How can I find and install alsa-base 1ubuntu7 after upgrading to 1ubuntu8 this morning?
[22:59] <KerrMD> YixilTesiphon, ubuntu 8.10 or 8.04? YOu want #ubuntu
[23:00] <YixilTesiphon> Kerr, I'm using 9.04
[23:00] <YixilTesiphon> and as soon as I said that there they assumed it was a jaunty problem and sent me here
[23:00] <KerrMD> oh, you mean upgrading "from" then
[23:00] <YixilTesiphon> oh yeah
[23:00] <YixilTesiphon> just using synaptic, mark all updates, etc
[23:00] <YixilTesiphon> boom, no sound
[23:01] <remu> BUGabundo1, Sorry, I didn't see your message. I have it set for Gmail.
[23:02] <BUGabundo1> remu: humm ??
[23:03] <yasasvy> YixilTesiphon: can you find that alsa-base package in your package manager?
[23:05] <yasasvy> YixilTesiphon: what is the output of aplay -l ?
[23:05] <YixilTesiphon> yasasvy: no soundcards foun d
[23:05] <YixilTesiphon> yasasvy: I can't, no, only the most updated version
[23:06] <YixilTesiphon> I have an ati rs780 azalia, which did not work on install but I found a quick fix for, but now it is not working again
[23:06] <yasasvy> YixilTesiphon: ok so that means your OS isnt recognizing your sound card
[23:07] <YixilTesiphon> yasasvy: so I need to hunt down the driver again and reinstall it?
[23:07] <yasasvy> YixilTesiphon: yes
[23:07] <YixilTesiphon> k
[23:08] <yasasvy> YixilTesiphon: when you upgrade 3rd party applications may be removed
[23:08] <yasasvy> YixilTesiphon: and that includes drivers
[23:08] <YixilTesiphon> yasasvy: would that also explain why my only default mixer track options in system | preferences | sound are pulseaudio null output things?
[23:08] <Guest40316> yea i'm pretty sad cuz my ati drivers are gone
[23:09] <Guest40316> and when i try to upgrade my logon screen crashes
[23:09] <yasasvy> YixilTesiphon: yes
[23:09] <YixilTesiphon> yasasvy: that's a relief. thanks.
[23:09] <YixilTesiphon> Guest40316: ATI graphics worked fine on 9.04 install for me, is a clean install an option?
[23:09] <yasasvy> YixilTesiphon: no probs
[23:10] <Guest40316> i'm not on 9.04
[23:10] <Guest40316> im on jaunty
[23:10] <remu> BUGabundo1, I had asked the following: " Hey everyone, I installed mail-notification, and the test notification uses the Jaunty notification system, however, when mail actually comes in, it gives me a popup rather than notifiying me through the jaunty notification method. anyone know how I might be able to rectify that?"
[23:10] <Guest40316> but yea they worked fine for me in 9.04
[23:10] <scream> Where is the startup config file stored if I want to stop a program from running on boot?
[23:11] <remu> Guest40316, 9.04 IS Jaunty
[23:11] <Guest40316> oops
[23:11] <Guest40316> stupid me
[23:11] <Guest40316> yea they don't work
[23:11] <Guest40316> neither proprietary or open source
[23:15] <Guest40316> the drivers that come with the install are fine
[23:15] <Guest40316> its the 3d acceleration drivers that are bad
[23:15] <Guest40316> so now i can't play games
[23:17] <crdlb> Guest40316: what gpu, specifically?
[23:20] <Guest40316> ati radeon xpress 200
[23:20] <crdlb> Guest40316: unfortunately, you cannot use fglrx anymore
[23:21] <Guest40316> yea i know
[23:21] <crdlb> as ATI has dropped support for r500 and below
[23:21] <Guest40316> will there be an alternative?
[23:21] <Exilant> how do i change bootup script order in jaunty, doing it the right way?
[23:21] <crdlb> Guest40316: the default radeon driver
[23:21] <Guest40316> oh realy? that mean i won't be able to play games anymore?  or will they update it?
[23:21] <Exilant> do i change the required field in the header of the /etc/init.d/foobar script?
[23:22] <dazjorz> Hey all
[23:22] <crdlb> Guest40316: ATI said won't do any legacy releases
[23:22] <crdlb> the radeon driver can play some games, and it's getting better
[23:23] <dazjorz> A few days ago, a command I found on a website, 'asoundconf set-pulseaudio' fixed sound in Flash in Firefox again; now it's gone again... any ideas? I'm using the official amd64 Adobe Flash plugin, by the way.
[23:23] <Guest40316> yea?  I go addicted to sauerbraten and now i can't play it.  What do you mean by your first comment?
[23:24] <Guest40316> or more like what does that mean to me?
[23:34] <KerrMD> Bah! I am going to end up pulling my hair out. I did that mod to the "nautilus-computer.desktop" file and now the "Computer" Entry in my "places menu" is gone.
[23:40] <chrisccoulson> KerrMD - what mod?
[23:40] <KerrMD> huh?
[23:40] <chrisccoulson> (sorry, I can't be bothered to scroll up ;))
[23:40] <chrisccoulson> "KerrMD: Bah! I am going to end up pulling my hair out. I did that mod to the "nautilus-computer.desktop" file and now the "Computer" Entry in my "places menu" is gone."
[23:40] <crdlb> Guest40316: nvidia has dropped support for older cards many times, but they always maintain legacy releases that support those cards
[23:40] <KerrMD> Yes but what do you mean by "what mod?
[23:40] <crdlb> ATI is, instead, focusing on the open source driver for those cards
[23:41] <chrisccoulson> i was wondering which mod you were talking about? (what did you do?)
[23:41] <KerrMD> chrisccoulson, I am trying to replace nautilus with pcmanfm since I neither line nuatiuls nor is/was it behaving properly.
[23:41] <chrisccoulson> fair enough ;)
[23:41] <KerrMD> chrisccoulson, using this link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=692238
[23:42] <chrisccoulson> not sure why the entry would disappear from the places menu there
[23:43] <KerrMD> Nor am I. I am also not sure why I have no default.session file in /usr/share/applications
[23:43] <KerrMD> oops, /usr/share/gnome
[23:44] <crdlb> that guide sounds like it was for the old gnome-session
[23:44] <chrisccoulson> no default.session is expected
[23:44] <chrisccoulson> new gnome-session uses gconf and autostart dirs
[23:45] <crdlb> you should simply be able to change: /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/filemanager in gconf-editor
[23:45] <chrisccoulson> but the file manager must ship a desktop file
[23:45] <KerrMD> So I gedit that path?
[23:46] <chrisccoulson> the name in the gconf key must be the name of the desktop file
[23:46] <KerrMD> I believe pcmanfm does
[23:46] <chrisccoulson> not the name of the binary
[23:46] <chrisccoulson> that's ok then
[23:46] <crdlb> that's not a path, it's a gconf key
[23:46] <chrisccoulson> and pcmanfm should also have a X-GNOME-Provides=filemanager in the desktop file too
[23:47] <KerrMD> chrisccoulson, you may as well be speaking chinese to me. I've not used linux since roughly '98
[23:48] <chrisccoulson> if you look in the nautilus desktop file (/usr/share/applications/nautilus.desktop), it has a line that says "X-GNOME-Provides=filemanager"
[23:48] <chrisccoulson> the pcmanfm desktop file should have that too if you want to autostart it as your default filemanager
[23:49] <chrisccoulson> KerrMD - i can't speak chinese btw;)
[23:49] <KerrMD> Good thing because I cannot understand a word of it
[23:50] <chrisccoulson> heh
[23:50] <eseven73> Does !anyone have the issue of vbox + winxp taking up 100% cpu in jaunty? even if nothing is running in xp it's 100% cpu like the majority of the time
[23:51] <chrisccoulson> who's using ext4 here on Jaunty?
[23:51] <bruce89> me
[23:52] <chrisccoulson> how are you finding it?
[23:52] <KerrMD> chrisccoulson, What am I doing again in /usr/etc/applications/nautilus.desktop?
[23:52] <KerrMD> <== uses ext4
[23:52] <crdlb> KerrMD: nothing
[23:52]  * eseven73 uses ext4 too
[23:52] <crdlb> KerrMD: make sure that /usr/share/applications/pcmanfm.desktop contains the aforementioned X-GNOME-Provides=filemanager line
[23:53] <chrisccoulson> i migrated to ext4 a few days ago. since then, my machine has locked up twice (this machine has never locked up before that). conincedence?
[23:53] <YixilTesiphon> Very stupid question: where do I find drivers to download from alsa?
[23:53] <chrisccoulson> **coincedence even
[23:53] <chrisccoulson> i'll learn to spell properly 1 day
[23:53] <eseven73> ive heard ext4 has probs with locking up
[23:54] <eseven73> but im not for sure as to the details for why, only going by what ive heard in here
[23:54] <chrisccoulson> i've never had to debug a complete freeze before, so i'm kinda stuck
[23:54] <chrisccoulson> i could do with a second machine to attach to the serial port;)
[23:54] <crdlb> ext4 is not fully baked ...
[23:54] <BUGabundo> I have had 4 lockups on ext3 (yes 3) in the last 24h :((
[23:54] <chrisccoulson> crdlb - i only have my root fs on ext4. all my important stuff is on ext3;)
[23:54] <eseven73> then why is it going in jaunty?
[23:55] <eseven73> if it wasnt fully stable I don't think Ubuntu would add it
[23:55] <BUGabundo> eseven73: its "available" not default
[23:55] <crdlb> because idiotic users would complain if it weren't an option
[23:55] <eseven73> being that Ubuntu aims for stability over bleeding edge
[23:55] <crdlb> "I'm switching to fedora!"
[23:55] <eseven73> lol
[23:59] <Daisuke-Ido> i think that the main goal of rock-solid stability is mostly for LTS...  the intermediate releases are stable, but a way to bring in more bleeding-edge features to get the kinks worked out for the next LTS release.