[00:43] <dobey> crap. now xmpp accounts seem to be crashing pidgin for me :(
[00:47] <dobey> yay, and there's an update to fix it
[01:47] <wgrant> jcastro: I forwarded most of that patch upstream, but left the rewritten touchpad parts in Ubuntu because I thought they were a bit crap.
[10:11] <huats> morning
[10:18] <didrocks> morning huats
[10:39] <chrisccoulson> it's fairly quiet in here this morning
[12:12] <Nafallo> meh
[12:12] <Nafallo> doesn't look like gajim is making use of the indicator-applet :-/
[13:21] <kenvandine_wk> Nafallo: does it show up in the indicator at all?  and just not get individual messages?
[13:22] <Nafallo> kenvandine_wk: if I left click the envelope it tells me "Gajim Instant Messenger", but that's about it.
[13:38] <kenvandine_wk> Nafallo: ok... that is what i saw the other day too
[13:38] <kenvandine_wk> Nafallo: but... when i first patched it, it would show you messages too
[13:38] <Nafallo> kenvandine_wk: I'm a bit confused about what's supposed to happen :-)
[13:38] <kenvandine_wk> Nafallo: is my patch in the package?  or the patch that got applied upstream?
[13:38] <kenvandine_wk> Nafallo: when a message appears from someone, you should get an entry for that chat
[13:39] <Nafallo> kenvandine_wk: both. I haven't pulled a new upstream, but it's in their SVN as well as the package.
[13:39] <kenvandine_wk> http://blogs.gnome.org/kenvandine/2009/03/06/pidgin-sucks-less-for-irc/
[13:39] <kenvandine_wk> for an example
[13:39] <Nafallo> hehe. looking.
[13:39] <kenvandine_wk> but now the chat would appear as a sub item under Pidgin
[13:39] <Nafallo> I read the patch and expected what you just said though :-)
[13:40] <kenvandine_wk> it was working :)
[13:40] <kenvandine_wk> so either the changes to libindicate 0.1.5 broke it... or the patch is wrong
[13:40] <kenvandine_wk> but
[13:40] <kenvandine_wk> i have tested the example IM python script with 0.1.5
[13:41] <kenvandine_wk> and it works
[13:41] <Nafallo> hehe. can we ammend the patch to make it work again then? :-D
[13:41] <kenvandine_wk> which uses the exact same methods
[13:41] <kenvandine_wk> yes
[13:41] <kenvandine_wk> Nafallo: can you file a bug and assign it to me?
[13:41] <Nafallo> kenvandine_wk: sure
[13:41] <kenvandine_wk> i have a few other things to do first :)
[13:42]  * Nafallo hears "few" ;-)
[13:46] <Nafallo> kenvandine_wk: bug 340213 re-opened
[13:48] <kenvandine_wk> Nafallo: thx
[13:48] <kenvandine_wk> Nafallo: try the version in my ppa and see if it behaves the same way
[13:48] <kenvandine_wk> just for comparison
[13:48] <kenvandine_wk> that is the version i tested
[13:52] <Nafallo> kenvandine_wk: nope. same thing.
[13:53] <kenvandine_wk> ok
[13:53] <kenvandine_wk> thx for testing
[14:20]  * tedg is kinda getting into using the "X" to close the buddy list.
[14:20] <tedg> :)
[14:25] <kenvandine_wk> tedg: :-D
[14:57] <rickspencer3> looks like lots of folks on holiday today
[14:57] <rickspencer3> that's nice
[14:59] <dobey> rickspencer3: yeah, i should have just taken holiday too
[14:59] <rickspencer3> heh
[15:32] <kenvandine_wk> rickspencer3: good day to get stuff done :)
[15:32] <rickspencer3> yeah
[15:32] <rickspencer3> I think I'm going to take the afternoon off if at all possible
[15:34] <tedg> rickspencer3: Off, I'm already behind on 9.10 stuff! :)
[16:18] <rickspencer3> today is the deadline to submit to desktop summit !!!
[16:20] <calc> for some reason over the past day or so evolution has started crashing on me often, it just vanishes in the middle of working
[16:26] <tedg> rickspencer3 and davidbarth: So what are we thinking about the FUSA bug?  Jaunty or not?
[16:26] <rickspencer3> calc: ditto
[16:26] <rickspencer3> tedg: what's the bug #?
[16:27] <rickspencer3> calc: I think yesterday's update fixed it for me though
[16:27] <rickspencer3> also evo crashing does not play nice with the messaging indicator
[16:27] <calc> ah i updated just now but evolution didn't update so maybe it was something else that helped
[16:27] <tedg> rickspencer3: bug 357455
[16:28] <rickspencer3> right
[16:28] <rickspencer3> can't we just remove the "..."?
[16:28] <calc> anyone know if lower level automake targets (eg distclean) are supposed to call higher level targets as well (eg clean) ?
[16:28] <calc> i'm seeing an issue in ooo-build where it has a clean target in the Makefile.am that doesn't get called when distclean is run
[16:29] <rickspencer3> tedg: I think detecting that another user is connected and programming a way to block the shutdown is out of scope for Jaunty
[16:29] <rickspencer3> that's mho
[16:29] <rickspencer3> remove the "..." and move on to other important things
[16:30] <rickspencer3> like position of applets :)
[16:30] <tedg> rickspencer3: It's not that simple.  It basically is that we're detecting the case as multi-user when someone has two logins as the same user.
[16:30] <tedg> rickspencer3: There should be a dialog, and we think there will be, and teh PolicyKit doesn't put up one.
[16:31] <tedg> I'm done with my part of the applet one :)
[16:31]  * tedg was quick to invalidate that on indicator-applet ;)
[16:33] <rickspencer3> tedg: okay
[16:33] <rickspencer3> understood better
[16:33] <rickspencer3> given that we're past Final Freeze, I would say that the fact that selecting "shutdown" or "restart" actually causes those actions to happen is unfortunate
[16:34] <rickspencer3> but I suspect that any bug fixes will cause a cascade of regressions
[16:34] <rickspencer3> my opinion is that this should be punted to Karmic
[16:34] <tedg> That's kinda how I feel, but I guess I'd like an official decision on the bug :)
[16:34] <rickspencer3> who is the decider?
[16:34] <kenvandine_wk> rickspencer3: yeah... the applet positioning is basically done... just needs to be uploaded with the new patch from tedg
[16:34] <rickspencer3> davidbarth: ^^^^^^
[16:35] <rickspencer3> kenvandine_wk: yeah, I was being kind of sarcastic
[16:35] <tedg> rickspencer3: If it's for release stuff, I'd guess the release team.  If not them, I'd say you :)
[16:35] <rickspencer3> before you submit the change, we need to clarify with the design team that there is actual consensus that it'st eh right change
[16:35] <kenvandine_wk> rickspencer3: i guess hard to get the "tone" via irc :-p
[16:35] <rickspencer3> tedg: I just gave you my guidance
[16:36] <rickspencer3> however, I prefer team deciscion making and consensus in issues like this
[16:36] <rickspencer3> can we get davidbarth to weigh in?
[16:36] <rickspencer3> kenvandine_wk: ack on the tone thing
[16:36] <rickspencer3> plus I'
[16:36] <rickspencer3> m a bit grumpy today :/
[16:36] <tedg> rickspencer3: Let's see...
[16:36] <tedg> So I hear that England could be France in football any day of the week.  :)
[16:37] <tedg> beat that is.
[16:37] <rickspencer3> hehe
[16:37] <rickspencer3> I think that California wine surpassed French wine years ago
[16:37] <rickspencer3> nothing?
[16:38] <rickspencer3> :)
[16:38] <rickspencer3> kenvandine_wk: in terms of moving the MI, it also breaks visual freeze
[16:38] <kenvandine_wk> rickspencer3: yup!
[16:38] <kenvandine_wk> not a good time to do it
[16:38] <rickspencer3> so we need to let the documentation team know that we might be invalidating all of their screen shots
[16:38] <rickspencer3> marketing may be impacted as well
[16:38] <rickspencer3> they may have screenshots and what not ready to go
[16:39] <kenvandine_wk> rickspencer3: have we gotten any word from design folks?
[16:39] <rickspencer3> kenvandine_wk: they seem to be all on holiday
[16:39] <tedg> I learned that French wine was saved by Texas grape roots.  I think that we should ship Bush over as our representative to France...
[16:39] <rickspencer3> lol
[16:40] <kenvandine_wk> rickspencer3: my wife is from the napa valley... she has very strong opinions on the subjet
[16:40] <kenvandine_wk> and always gets a bit pissed when i buy sonoma valley wine :)
[16:42] <kenvandine_wk> i think buying french wine would be terms for divorce
[16:43]  * tedg mails kenvandine_wk some Texas wine ;)
[16:43] <kenvandine_wk> hehe
[16:44] <kenvandine_wk> she wouldn't touch the NC wine i bought... but after drinking it i don't blame her
[16:48]  * kenvandine_wk hopes to have his plate cleared before lunch so he can spend some time on his submission for the desktop summit
[16:52] <tedg> rickspencer3: kenvandine_wk: Can you guys comment on these please?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/148415/  http://paste.ubuntu.com/148416/
[16:53] <kenvandine_wk> tedg: isn't there quite a bit of overlap in those too?
[16:53] <kenvandine_wk> two even
[16:54] <tedg> kenvandine_wk: I was thinking one would be panel focused, and one would be application focused.
[16:54] <tedg> I think I have an hour of material... ;)
[16:54] <kenvandine_wk> for each?
[16:55] <tedg> No, each talk is a half hour.
[16:55] <kenvandine_wk> tedg: btw... i am doing an article on the indicator for the gnome journal
[16:55] <kenvandine_wk> ok... are they 30m slots?
[16:55] <tedg> Yeah, 30m slots.
[16:55] <tedg> kenvandine_wk: Oh, cool, that'll be fun.
[16:55] <kenvandine_wk> specifically porting apps to use the indicator :)
[16:56] <kenvandine_wk> i wish there were mono bindings :-D
[16:56] <tedg> For both of the talks I want to use the messaging use case, but then talk about extending it beyond that a lot.
[16:56] <kenvandine_wk> tedg: ok, looks good to me
[16:56] <tedg> Is there mono gobject introspection?
[16:57] <kenvandine_wk> i think so
[16:57] <kenvandine_wk> firerabbit wrote a tool for doing part of that
[16:57] <tedg> You could try enabling that.  PyBank wasn't up to it, but the mono one might work.
[16:57] <tedg> We dropped the gobject-introspection from the package, but it's still in the tarball.
[16:58] <kenvandine_wk> yeah
[16:58] <kenvandine_wk> i played with it a little
[16:58] <kenvandine_wk> i know nothing about using it though
[16:58] <tedg> You shouldn't have to, it should just work ;)
[16:58] <kenvandine_wk> i really want to see more apps using the indicator
[16:58] <kenvandine_wk> well
[16:59] <kenvandine_wk> it creates some mapping right?
[16:59] <tedg> It creates a GIR file, and I think youhave to use a lib to load that file.
[16:59] <kenvandine_wk> oh...
[16:59] <kenvandine_wk> humm
[16:59] <kenvandine_wk> i might need to play with that... in my infinite spare time :)
[17:00] <tedg> Heh, or convince walters to write a GNOME Journal article on it that you can then read ;)
[17:00] <kenvandine_wk> hehe
[17:00] <kenvandine_wk> that would actually be a great article
[17:29] <chrisccoulson> hi tedg, has seb128 spoken to you this week about fusa changes (specifically, making session saving work when exiting via the fusa)?
[17:29] <tedg> chrisccoulson: No, but I noticed some comments on ubuntu-devel about it.
[17:30] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i made a change to gnome-session to expose 2 new dbus methods, as gnome-session has been fixed to work properly now
[17:30] <chrisccoulson> i've also done the corresponding fusa change as well, but it needs some review
[17:31] <tedg> chrisccoulson: Okay, is it in LP?
[17:31] <chrisccoulson> session saving is working quite nicely here now :)
[17:31] <chrisccoulson> it's not on lp yet, i'll do that in a moment
[19:00] <chrisccoulson> tedg - my fusa changes are on lp now
[19:00] <chrisccoulson> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/fast-user-switch-applet/session_management
[19:01] <chrisccoulson> i also updated the packaging branch (i had to do this to be able to build and test the changes anyway): https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/fast-user-switch-applet/ubuntu-packaging-jaunty
[19:25] <tedg> chrisccoulson: Looking through the diff, and that looks pretty good.  Do you know if gnome-session does the policy-kit dialog if need be?
[19:25] <chrisccoulson> it does:)
[19:26] <chrisccoulson> it takes care of everything for us. the only PK support required in the FUSA still is to detect whether we need to authenticate, to decide on whether to display the confirmation dialog or not
[19:28] <tedg> That makes life easier.
[19:31] <chrisccoulson> thanks for reviewing it:)
[19:52] <chrisccoulson> tedg - i'm going to update the fusa change slightly. i just noticed an issue where if you cancel the log out dialog and then select shutdown or restart when other users are logged in, it displays the old logout dialog again instead of the policykit dialog
[19:52] <chrisccoulson> minor mistake ;)
[19:55] <tedg> chrisccoulson: Heh, ah yes.
[20:16] <chrisccoulson> tedg - i've corrected both bzr branches now to remove that problem
[20:18] <tedg> chrisccoulson: Cool.  Do you want me to build a package?  I don't see any reason that I need to make one as I'm sure you've got one :)
[20:22] <chrisccoulson> tedg - you don't need to build one unless you want to try it out too, as I've got one here already. thanks
[20:23] <tedg> chrisccoulson: Great, I will, I'm very excited about the fix.  I just wanted to ensure you weren't waiting on me :)
[20:31] <didrocks> \o/
[20:31] <chrisccoulson> hi didrocks
[20:31]  * didrocks has finally found where the error was in his LaTeX file :)
[20:31] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson
[20:32] <didrocks> I'm eager to see your FUSA patch :)
[20:32] <chrisccoulson> i can put the package in my ppa if you like, for you to try out
[20:32] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: hum, I am quit busy, not sure to test before it goes to official repos
[20:33] <didrocks> quite*
[20:33] <chrisccoulson> if it gets there. we've got to convince the release team yet i think ;)
[20:33] <chrisccoulson> but i think that session saving is quite important
[20:34] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I totally agree. ok, upload to your ppa. I will give a shot
[20:34] <didrocks> (how to find some time before 2.26.1 to package ? O_o)
[20:42] <chrisccoulson> didrocks - that's uploaded to my ppa now (just waiting for it to finish building)
[20:45] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: great, I will keep you in touch
[20:47] <chrisccoulson> thanks. i'm just off to make some dinner now
[21:20] <Nafallo> kenvandine_wk: a tad more open to an get a patch to hide the gajim trayicon in the advanced options and enable that by default on Ubuntu now.
[21:21] <Nafallo> kenvandine_wk: unless we can make the hiding dependant on python-indicate being installed...
[21:21] <kenvandine_wk> we should be able to do that
[21:21] <Nafallo> not sure if that will cover the use case though. can someone install python-indicate and not use the applet... ;-)
[21:22] <kenvandine_wk> true
[21:22] <kenvandine_wk> although
[21:22] <kenvandine_wk> tedg: did you guys add a way to determine if the applet is available?
[21:23] <Nafallo> ooh. and then make something in the python binding to allow applications to check for that... would be swell :-)
[21:26] <Yasumoto> heya guys, if anyone has a chance to peek at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/358690, that'd be epic. It seems the issue is a symlink wasn't updated to point to the new name of a plugin, but I'm wondering if it's better to have a discrepancy in the symlink vs. real-file name, or to change the name of the symlink (and update it in firefox)
[21:31] <tedg> kenvandine_wk: Yes.
[21:32] <tedg> kenvandine_wk: That's what the "interest_added" and "interest_removed" signals tell servers.
[21:32] <kenvandine_wk> tedg: awesome
[21:32] <kenvandine_wk> tedg: great
[21:32] <kenvandine_wk> Nafallo: so i can do that
[21:32] <kenvandine_wk> :)
[21:32] <kenvandine_wk> Nafallo: i should be able to work on that this weekend :)
[21:32] <Nafallo> kenvandine_wk: nice. can we still have the advanced option to override it though? :-)
[21:33] <Nafallo> kenvandine_wk: however, that could be done quite easily later :-)
[21:33] <Nafallo> let's see if we can get it in first
[21:41] <tedg> kenvandine_wk: I probably won't be around much this weekend, but if you mail me at home I should get the mail -- send any questions that come up.
[21:41]  * tedg needs to get his work e-mail setup on his phone...
[21:43] <kenvandine_wk> sure
[21:43] <kenvandine_wk> great
[21:43] <kenvandine_wk> thx
[21:43] <kenvandine_wk> have a great weekend all!
[21:43] <Nafallo> kenvandine_wk: see you soon :-)
[21:44] <tedg> kenvandine_wk: You too!
[23:29] <chrisccoulson> some users are so rude
[23:30] <mpt_> heh
[23:37] <chrisccoulson> hey didrocks
[23:37] <chrisccoulson> you still there? it's getting quite late ;)