[16:50] Rocket2DMn: I was thinking you could be an ideal person to run the Wiki session at the OpenWeek if you are around. What do you think? [16:51] When is openweek? [16:51] I work during the day, I might be able to do evening sessions (US time) [16:52] Rocket2DMn: ok, tricky, it's between 15 and 23 UTC [16:53] mdke, let met get back to you, i'm in the middle of something else atm [16:54] Rocket2DMn: sure. I'm just popping out myself [16:56] i find people really don't need to know docbook to edit it, and rather, just need to know a is like a

(basically) [18:26] philip_: yes, I agree entirely [18:28] philip_: the key is to give people the basic concepts that they can start contributing with [18:29] people have fears they need to know more going in, but calming those fears with "nah, don't worry, the system is all setup and ready... just add content" [18:29] especially if the validation tools are easy to use [18:29] right [18:30] of course, not everyone knows what a

is either, but the basic thing is to reassure people that it is easier than it looks, and that contribution is possible without having to understand everything Norman Walsh knows about docbook [18:30] exactly [18:31] once people have done a couple of easy patches, they learn the markup by reading what is already there [18:31] and people usually just copy a file and edit for new files [18:33] that's not to say that an easy to use WYSIWYG docbook editor wouldn't be awesomely helpful, of course it would [18:33] anyway, I suppose it's good to see a lot of interest in the docteam at the moment, hopefully it will turn into some contributions [18:33] and some improved ideas for the future [18:34] interesting to watch ubuntu-doc and notice similar problems we face [18:36] don't your xml files validate, so any xml ide will work fine? [18:36] I guess, but the ones we've tried have never been that great. [18:38] i'm sitting here using XMLEditor and it seems fine [18:38] well, testing rather [18:40] I'll give it a try sometime [19:42] philip_: ok, you've put that a lot more succinctly than me :) [19:43] i almost didn't submit as when about finished i noticed your email go through but figured what the heck [19:44] i tend to be overly wordy, so that was a rare instance [19:45] :) [19:46] me too [20:22] right, let's have a play around with Andrew's wiki macro [20:57] man that looks good [20:57] mdke: Where is the image from? [20:58] nhandler: it's the one that Andrew posted on the list [21:00] So it is the Tangerine icon for synaptic. Did we check the license to make sure that we can use it on the wiki? [21:00] * nhandler can't remember what license the icons are released under [21:03] nhandler: that's quite a good point. *none* of the icons on IconsPage have ever been checked for licensing compatibility [21:06] mdke: I'm surprised that the Canonical Legal team hasn't checked any of them. Especially the ones on help.ubuntu.com [21:07] nhandler: I don't think the Canonical legal team's priority is to check licensing compatibility of community projects [21:07] assuming that there is a "legal team" [21:08] There is a legal team [21:08] as in, more than one person? [21:09] That I I do not know. I just know that there is something called the Canonical Legal Team [21:09] ah [21:13] I think we can resolve this by adding something to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/License [21:14] oh hey, human-icon-theme is under the cc-by-sa license too [21:15] that makes things easier [21:18] there are probably quite a few icons on IconsPage where that isn't the case though... [21:42] adiroiban: hiya [21:42] hi [21:43] adiroiban: I quite like the idea of having the docs sessions together, because the content is linked and because a "Docs Day" is a marketable concept, but translation is quite a logically separate topic, so if it suits you to do it on another day, or earlier on Friday, that's fine [21:43] adiroiban: or, I have no problem running the session [21:44] whatever is going to work best for everyone [21:44] ok [21:45] what do you think? [21:45] I prefer to do it in any other day :) [21:45] but I'm ok if you will run it on friday [21:46] what about earlier on Friday? [21:46] doesn't help? [21:46] nope [21:46] ok [21:47] 1 may is labor's day here and it's a bank day. I most probably go and visit my parent [21:47] my parents [21:47] * mdke nods [21:47] well, I don't mind moving it to another day, or to run it myself on Friday. Let's see what emmajane thinks, the docs day has been kinda her idea [21:47] ok [21:47] alternatively, we could move all the docs sessions to tuesday [21:48] i would be more than happy :D [21:48] I can move my other sessions [21:50] they would fit too [21:50] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Day [21:50] I don't know if it's ok to have docs day on the 1st of May [21:50] it's a national holiday in many other countries [21:51] and I suppose people will stay away from the computers :) [21:51] although some other people might be more available because of the holiday [21:52] I don't know [21:53] me neigher [21:54] but all people I know (working in computer related businesses) tries to stay away from the computer during national holidays [21:55] hmm [21:55] today is a national holiday here, and I am here on irc :( [21:55] but maybe it's just a specific thing here in Romania [21:56] but I agree with you, we should know the oppinion of Dougie and Emma [21:57] you make it sound like we're a single entity [21:58] should we have it on Friday ? [22:03] I'm quite happy with the layout you've proposed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep [22:09] DougieRichardson: the problem with that layout is that Friday doesn't work for Adi, so we're wondering if Tuesday is an alternative. Otherwise we can just move the translation item [22:11] UTC is GMT -1 isn't it? [22:11] DougieRichardson: UTC and GMT are the same, but in the UK we are UTC+1 at the moment (BST) [22:11] so 1700 utc is 1800 gmt? [22:12] nope. 17:00 UTC is 17:00 GMT. But it is 18:00 in British Summer Time [22:12] (where we are now) [22:13] OK if its 1800 then I'm happy to move to Tuesday [22:13] awesome. Let's see if Emma is free then too [22:14] is this like last years openweek? [22:14] yeah