[16:50] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: I was thinking you could be an ideal person to run the Wiki session at the OpenWeek if you are around. What do you think?
[16:51] <Rocket2DMn> When is openweek?
[16:51] <Rocket2DMn> I work during the day, I might be able to do evening sessions (US time)
[16:52] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: ok, tricky, it's between 15 and 23 UTC
[16:53] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, let met get back to you, i'm in the middle of something else atm
[16:54] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: sure. I'm just popping out myself
[16:56] <philip_> i find people really don't need to know docbook to edit it, and rather, just need to know a <para> is like a <p> (basically)
[18:26] <mdke> philip_: yes, I agree entirely
[18:28] <mdke> philip_: the key is to give people the basic concepts that they can start contributing with
[18:29] <philip_> people have fears they need to know more going in, but calming those fears with "nah, don't worry, the system is all setup and ready... just add content"
[18:29] <philip_> especially if the validation tools are easy to use
[18:29] <mdke> right
[18:30] <mdke> of course, not everyone knows what a <p> is either, but the basic thing is to reassure people that it is easier than it looks, and that contribution is possible without having to understand everything Norman Walsh knows about docbook
[18:30] <philip_> exactly
[18:31] <mdke> once people have done a couple of easy patches, they learn the markup by reading what is already there
[18:31] <philip_> and people usually just copy a file and edit for new files
[18:33] <mdke> that's not to say that an easy to use WYSIWYG docbook editor wouldn't be awesomely helpful, of course it would
[18:33] <mdke> anyway, I suppose it's good to see a lot of interest in the docteam at the moment, hopefully it will turn into some contributions
[18:33] <mdke> and some improved ideas for the future
[18:34] <philip_> interesting to watch ubuntu-doc and notice similar problems we face
[18:36] <philip_> don't your xml files validate, so any xml ide will work fine?
[18:36] <mdke> I guess, but the ones we've tried have never been that great.
[18:38] <philip_> i'm sitting here using XMLEditor and it seems fine
[18:38] <philip_> well, testing rather
[18:40] <mdke> I'll give it a try sometime
[19:42] <mdke> philip_: ok, you've put that a lot more succinctly than me :)
[19:43] <philip_> i almost didn't submit as when about finished i noticed your email go through but figured what the heck
[19:44] <philip_> i tend to be overly wordy, so that was a rare instance
[19:45] <philip_> :)
[19:46] <mdke> me too
[20:22] <mdke> right, let's have a play around with Andrew's wiki macro
[20:57] <mdke> man that looks good
[20:57] <nhandler> mdke: Where is the image from?
[20:58] <mdke> nhandler: it's the one that Andrew posted on the list
[21:00] <nhandler> So it is the Tangerine icon for synaptic. Did we check the license to make sure that we can use it on the wiki?
[21:00]  * nhandler can't remember what license the icons are released under
[21:03] <mdke> nhandler: that's quite a good point. *none* of the icons on IconsPage have ever been checked for licensing compatibility
[21:06] <nhandler> mdke: I'm surprised that the Canonical Legal team hasn't checked any of them. Especially the ones on help.ubuntu.com
[21:07] <mdke> nhandler: I don't think the Canonical legal team's priority is to check licensing compatibility of community projects
[21:07] <mdke> assuming that there is a "legal team"
[21:08] <nhandler> There is a legal team
[21:08] <mdke> as in, more than one person?
[21:09] <nhandler> That I I do not know. I just know that there is something called the Canonical Legal Team
[21:09] <mdke> ah
[21:13] <mdke> I think we can resolve this by adding something to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/License
[21:14] <mdke> oh hey, human-icon-theme is under the cc-by-sa license too
[21:15] <mdke> that makes things easier
[21:18] <mdke> there are probably quite a few icons on IconsPage where that isn't the case though...
[21:42] <mdke> adiroiban: hiya
[21:42] <adiroiban> hi
[21:43] <mdke> adiroiban: I quite like the idea of having the docs sessions together, because the content is linked and because a "Docs Day" is a marketable concept, but translation is quite a logically separate topic, so if it suits you to do it on another day, or earlier on Friday, that's fine
[21:43] <mdke> adiroiban: or, I have no problem running the session
[21:44] <mdke> whatever is going to work best for everyone
[21:44] <adiroiban> ok
[21:45] <mdke> what do you think?
[21:45] <adiroiban> I prefer to do it in any other day :)
[21:45] <adiroiban> but I'm ok if you will run it on friday
[21:46] <mdke> what about earlier on Friday?
[21:46] <mdke> doesn't help?
[21:46] <adiroiban> nope
[21:46] <mdke> ok
[21:47] <adiroiban> 1 may is labor's day here and it's a bank day. I most probably go and visit my parent
[21:47] <adiroiban> my parents
[21:47]  * mdke nods
[21:47] <mdke> well, I don't mind moving it to another day, or to run it myself on Friday. Let's see what emmajane thinks, the docs day has been kinda her idea
[21:47] <adiroiban> ok
[21:47] <mdke> alternatively, we could move all the docs sessions to tuesday
[21:48] <adiroiban> i would be more than happy :D
[21:48] <adiroiban> I can move my other sessions
[21:50] <mdke> they would fit too
[21:50] <adiroiban> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Day
[21:50] <adiroiban> I don't know if it's ok to have docs day on the 1st of May
[21:50] <adiroiban> it's a national holiday in many other countries
[21:51] <adiroiban> and I suppose people will stay away from the computers :)
[21:51] <mdke> although some other people might be more available because of the holiday
[21:52] <mdke> I don't know
[21:53] <adiroiban> me neigher
[21:54] <adiroiban> but all people I know (working in computer related businesses) tries to stay away from the computer during national holidays
[21:55] <mdke> hmm
[21:55] <mdke> today is a national holiday here, and I am here on irc :(
[21:55] <adiroiban> but maybe it's just a specific thing here in Romania
[21:56] <adiroiban> but I agree with you, we should know the oppinion of Dougie and Emma
[21:57] <DougieRichardson> you make it sound like we're a single entity
[21:58] <adiroiban> should we have it on Friday ?
[22:03] <DougieRichardson> I'm quite happy with the layout you've proposed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep
[22:09] <mdke> DougieRichardson: the problem with that layout is that Friday doesn't work for Adi, so we're wondering if Tuesday is an alternative. Otherwise we can just move the translation item
[22:11] <DougieRichardson> UTC is GMT -1 isn't it?
[22:11] <mdke> DougieRichardson: UTC and GMT are the same, but in the UK we are UTC+1 at the moment (BST)
[22:11] <DougieRichardson> so 1700 utc is 1800 gmt?
[22:12] <mdke> nope. 17:00 UTC is 17:00 GMT. But it is 18:00 in British Summer Time
[22:12] <mdke> (where we are now)
[22:13] <DougieRichardson> OK if its 1800 then I'm happy to move to Tuesday
[22:13] <mdke> awesome. Let's see if Emma is free then too
[22:14] <DougieRichardson> is this like last years openweek?
[22:14] <mdke> yeah