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* persia peers about08:42
persiaso, it's late, and we're disorganised.08:43
persiaAre ember or imbrandon here?08:43
geserember seems to not be online08:45
persiaThat's what I see too.08:45
geserimbrandon is online but let's if he's afk or not08:45
persiaWell, if imbrandon stops by, we can hunt for the rest of MC.08:45
geserhave we quorum anyways?08:45
persiaDunno.  Let's check :)08:45
persiajpds, nhandler nixternal dholbach soren ?08:46
persiaMaybe not :(08:47
vikashkoushikHi guys08:59
vikashkoushikI did do a Demo on Ubuntu in my school.08:59
vikashkoushikWill that be considered as a Contribution to Ubuntu while getting the email id?08:59
persiavikashkoushik, A practice of regularly presenting Ubuntu can be considered a contribution to advocacy.09:00
persiaYou'd want to combine it with other activities as part of your participation within Ubuntu.09:00
vikashkoushikI am also giving solutions to people's problem in Launch Pad Answer Tracker & I just started Transilating Ubuntu in Tamil09:01
vikashkoushikIs that enough?09:01
persiaI can't give an authoritative answer to that.09:03
persiaYour best guideline is really https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership09:03
vikashkoushikI've already gone through that and I am already an Ubuntero09:04
persiaBut the key things are that the contribution be recognised as significant to others in the community, and that it be sustained over a reasonable period of time (with an expectation of continuance)09:04
vikashkoushikI've been contributing to Launch Pad Answer Tracker for only 2 weeks as I just came to know about it But I gave the Demo on Jan09:05
vikashkoushik& during Feb I was burning CD's and distributing it09:05
vikashkoushik& I am still continuing to do so09:06
vikashkoushikIs this enough?09:07
persiaCool.  I'd recommend contacting your local Ubuntu group, and working with them, as part of building interaction with the community.09:07
vikashkoushikHow do I contact the Local Ubuntu group? I live in Chennai,Tamil Nadu,India.09:08
persia#ubuntu-in is probably a good place to start.09:09
vikashkoushikthanks09:10
jpdspersia: I'm here now.09:17
persiajpds, Well, imbrandon never showed, and we'd still not have quorum.09:20
vikashkoushikShall Post on my wiki page about the demo I did in Jan?09:50
persiavikashkoushik, You will want to document everything on your wiki page before you apply.09:52
vikashkoushikPersia,Do you think the period I have been contributing is enough?09:53
persiavikashkoushik, The guideline is at least two months, but demonstration of activity that is considered sustained by your peers.  I haven't worked with you, so I don't have an opinion.09:53
vikashkoushikI didn't get you.09:54
vikashkoushikpersia, i didn't get you clearly.09:58
persiaUnderstood, which is why I /queried you, to preserve the clenliness of these logs.09:59
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* lool pokes slangasek 14:01
loolThe release meeting shows up now on my google calendar agenda, was it moved?14:01
loolCrap, 14 UTC14:01
davidbarthlool: really? yes, i think it moved; i had it at 3pm CET initially14:03
persiaMy memory is that it used to be at 15 UTC.  I think it moved to follow BST.14:04
loolpersia: It was supposed to happen in one hour, but I raised that it was conflicting with some call14:05
loolslangasek looked at moving it one hour earlier, but announced it for next hour14:05
loolSo either it changed at the last minute again, or there was confusion14:06
loolI just updated the google cal entry though14:06
dendrobatesthis did seem unusually early for slangasek.14:06
looldendrobates, mdz: apparently meeting is next hour14:06
loolWhich might conflict with your call14:06
mdzlool: I had already asked randa to reschedule that call, but it looks like she forgot to do it before she left for the weekend14:14
mdzdendrobates: ^^14:14
dendrobatesmdz: are you working today?  Or are you just showing up to the release meeting?14:15
mdzdendrobates: neither14:16
mdzI just happened to be on IRC, which I'm quickly realizing is a mistake if I expect to benefit from the bank holiday14:16
loolmdz: Eh quite certainly :)  enjoy your long WE14:17
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* slangasek waves14:58
* nhandler waves back to slangasek 14:58
* rickspencer3 waves14:58
* rickspencer3 yawns14:59
fader_Hello15:00
loolMorning slangasek15:00
nhandlerSo it is time for the release team meeting, correct?15:00
slangaseknhandler: yes15:00
loolYup15:00
robbiewhi15:01
slangasek'lo15:01
* pgraner o/15:01
loolslangasek: I'm afraid I milestoned a couple of bugs in the last hours; Bug 359049, Bug 35896115:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 359049 in linux "imx51 udeb hardcodes linux version in vmlinuz binary name" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35904915:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 358961 in ubiquity "Broken window icon in top left corner" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35896115:02
* tedg has coffee, therefore is ready to go!15:02
loolpgraner: May I ask immediately whether a last kernel upload is planned? :)15:02
slangaseksbeattie, Hobbsee, ScottK: ping?15:02
slangaseklool: wait till we start the meeting? :)15:02
pgranerlool: we are done15:02
nhandlerslangasek: ScottK said he wouldn't be able to make the meeting15:02
loolslangasek: I was abusing this early minutes where everybody joins  ;)15:03
loolpgraner: Ok; that does influence things then, thanks15:03
* sbeattie waves hello15:03
rickspencer3pgraner: sweet15:03
rickspencer3congrats kernel team!15:03
loolYep, nice!15:04
pgranerrickspencer3: don't party just yet15:04
slangasek#startmeeting15:04
MootBotMeeting started at 09:04. The chair is slangasek.15:04
MootBotCommands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]15:04
loolAlbeit there are bugs :)15:04
* rickspencer3 recorks champagne bottle15:04
slangasekI'm assuming anyone located in the UK or Germany is taking their well-deserved holiday, so let's get started :)15:04
slangasek[TOPIC] Outstanding actions15:05
MootBotNew Topic:  Outstanding actions15:05
ograthere is no holiday in the US ?15:05
nhandlerThere is ogra15:05
nhandlerIt is Good Friday15:05
tedgogra: Not a national bank holiday though.15:05
ograah15:06
slangasekpgraner: was the power cable issue for 340014 taken care of?  I have no idea if that's even still an issue, and it obviously wasn't recorded in the bug :)15:06
fader_slangasek: I got the machine in question back to manjo who had the power cord15:06
fader_He was running tests on it and I asked him to file any bugs he came across15:06
slangasekok, so the power cord is no longer an issue, at least15:07
fader_Right15:07
slangasekfader_: how about sound input bugs on netbooks?  Everything filed that should be?15:07
fader_slangasek: Yes, all the bugs that cr3 and I encountered are filed and seem to have been assigned appropriately15:07
fader_I also updated the bug numbers in http://people.ubuntu.com/~fader/hw-testing/netbooks/15:08
fader_(Modulo the ones that manjo is filing; I need to get those numbers from him)15:08
slangasekok; they don't appear to have shown up on the release team radar as targeted bugs, were they meant to?15:08
fader_I'm honestly not sure.  I know mdz looked at them and commented, but I don't know if anything further needs to happen to them15:09
slangasekfader_: could you email me a list of those bugs after, so I can have a look at what we've got?15:09
fader_slangasek: Absolutely... I'll email them to you15:10
slangasek[ACTION] fader_ to email slangasek the list of netbook sound input bugs15:10
MootBotACTION received:  fader_ to email slangasek the list of netbook sound input bugs15:10
slangaseksbeattie: how are we with regression-release bug triaging?15:10
sbeattieslangasek: I sent off an email to the qa team about regression-release tagged bugs, but I think everyone's too busy dealing with newer bugs to go back to those at the moment.15:10
slangasekok :(15:10
slangasek(action: have fewer bugs next week)15:11
slangasek[TOPIC] QA team15:11
MootBotNew Topic:  QA team15:11
slangasekmoving on, then15:11
fader_Hardware testing has nothing exciting to report... we are having checkbox issues that are preventing some machines from reporting results correctly, so I am in the process of backfilling by running checkbox manually15:12
fader_We've also hit bug 356518 on a couple of machines which prevents them from booting with grub when the serial console is being used, but they work fine without that option15:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 356518 in grub "HP ML110 fails to boot with grub after server install via PXE / serial console" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35651815:12
fader_So I'm not sure it's quite as high priority as it seemed when I first ran into it15:13
fader_Other than that everything is passing and we're not seeing any real issues15:13
slangasekI think we should still be tracking that bug, even if we may not be able to get it fixed (as opposed to release-noted)15:14
fader_slangasek: Yeah, it's definitely an annoying bug, but the fact that it only appears to happen on a small number of systems and under very specific conditions makes me feel less worried about it :)15:14
* slangasek nods15:15
slangasekok, cool; thanks for the update15:15
slangaseksbeattie: anything to add from your corner?15:15
sbeattienot particularly, I haven't seen anything significant come through in the regresisons department.15:16
slangasekgreat!15:16
slangasek[TOPIC] Desktop team15:17
MootBotNew Topic:  Desktop team15:17
rickspencer3looks like we have quite a few bugs on release team radar15:17
rickspencer3generally, I divide them between "xorg" and "other"15:17
slangasektwo or three :)15:17
rickspencer3https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus15:18
slangasek[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus15:18
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus15:18
rickspencer3in the "other" category, none are very concerning to me, except bug #27758915:18
ubottuLaunchpad bug 277589 in hotkey-setup "sony brighness on a geforce series older than 8 (nvclock works fine)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27758915:18
rickspencer3but that's only because it's new to me, and I haven't had a chance to follow up and see what's going on with it15:18
slangasekrickspencer3: your list has one more bug than mine, do you know which bug that is?15:19
rickspencer3slangasek: no15:19
rickspencer3it's probably a dupe15:19
rickspencer3I was copying and pasting between lists early this morning :)15:19
slangasek34999215:19
slangasekwhich isn't targeted; does it need to be?15:19
rickspencer3no15:20
rickspencer3that is left over15:20
slangasekah, it's been untargeted by bryce, ok15:20
rickspencer3sorry15:20
rickspencer3yeah15:20
rickspencer3in terms of xorg it's only intel that has any real issues right now15:20
rickspencer3the intel engineers have been helping bryce quite a bit15:20
rickspencer3as I noted on the release page, bryce suspects that there are one or two underling causes for all the "freeze" bugs, so he's sorting through the data today15:21
* slangasek nods15:21
slangasekI look forward to the good news next week :)15:21
rickspencer3I suspect we are in good enough shape to ship, as all of the bugs ...15:21
rickspencer3can be worked around by turning off desktop effects15:22
rickspencer3but that's painful, so I'm looking forward to good news too :)15:22
rickspencer3bug #341898 also seems to be xorg, but I'm not clear if it's still an issue or not15:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 341898 in mesa "Mythtv frontend does not display any fonts" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34189815:23
rickspencer3I should be able to find out next week after everyone is back from holidays15:23
rickspencer3(that's it from desktop team, unless there are questions)15:23
slangaseksuperm1 (mythtv) isn't on holidays15:23
rickspencer3okay15:23
slangasekso if the bug needs followed up on you could tag him15:23
rickspencer3I'll ping him after this15:23
davidbarthslangasek, rickspencer3: while we're on the desktop, can I also mention the bugs on our radar (https://wiki.canonical.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/JauntyReleaseStatus)15:23
slangasek(well, I'm presuming a bit; he's in the US, he might still be on holiday)15:24
rickspencer3slangasek: ack15:24
rickspencer3davidbarth: thanks for bringing up bug #35877515:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 358775 in gnome-panel "Messaging Indicator icon should appear as the leftmost icon" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35877515:25
rickspencer3I think it's an easy fix (non-intrusive) but it is really late for the design team to start checking whether everything is to spec15:25
slangasekdavidbarth: sure - the only one of those that isn't targeted currently is 331369, I guess we should target that if you're looking for an exception15:26
slangasek(done)15:26
davidbarthrickspencer3: tedg may be able to comment better for #35877515:26
rickspencer3slangasek: if we do 358775 I suppose we'll need an exception as well15:26
rickspencer3also, it will impact screen shots, documentation, etc...15:26
davidbarthslangasek: yes, will do; it's a one liner, but a regression potential15:26
davidbarthrickspencer3: correct15:27
slangasek358775> I thought I already pushed through an update for that, or was I just reading patches?15:27
davidbarthrickspencer3: also #317271 and #357455 are dups apparently, and not a trivial change15:27
slangasekah, yes, was just reading my bug mail :)15:27
davidbarthrickspencer3: we are still evaluating whether the change is worth the potential impact15:28
rickspencer3davidbarth: which change, you mean mt's move the icon bug?15:28
rickspencer3358775 ?15:28
davidbarthrickspencer3: no, the "logout..." that exist immediately if you have another session opened with the same account15:29
rickspencer3right15:29
davidbarthrickspencer3: it's an odd case15:29
rickspencer3davidbarth: shall we discuss outside the meeting?15:29
davidbarthrickspencer3: sure15:29
slangasekrickspencer3: btw, in response to the freeze mail's request to "let the release team know" about any bugs that should be on the radar but aren't, I got an email from a user that's led me to be concerned about the state of plasma-widget-network-manager15:30
slangasek[LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-network-manager15:30
MootBotLINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-network-manager15:30
slangasekseems there's lots of breakage where wireless passwords are concerned; could you have Riddell follow up on this when he's back from holiday?15:30
rickspencer3hmmm15:30
rickspencer3yes15:30
slangasek(p-w-n-m is the default NM frontend for kubuntu 9.04)15:31
rickspencer3I'll see what's going on in #kubuntu-devel today15:31
slangasekok15:31
slangasekthanks15:31
rickspencer3see if the team is dialed in15:31
nhandlerNot much activity Riddell15:31
slangasek[ACTION] rickspencer3 to follow up with Kubuntu team regarding state of plasma-widget-network-manager and encrypted wireless15:31
MootBotACTION received:  rickspencer3 to follow up with Kubuntu team regarding state of plasma-widget-network-manager and encrypted wireless15:31
slangasek[TOPIC] Mobile team15:32
MootBotNew Topic:  Mobile team15:32
slangaseklool: hi15:32
loollist of specs and bugs on our radar:15:32
lool[link] <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap>15:32
MootBotLINK received:  <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap>15:32
loolcurrent high-level status per topic:15:32
lool- UNR: I saw no notify-osd complaints; good shape except for intel graphics regression on eeepcs (349314, 344443) and pending-upload netbook-launcher gtk label translation issue 35697015:32
lool- MID image is as good as usual15:32
lool- armel netbook images: still need plenty of testing since the latest kernel changes (all of iop32x, versatile, ixp4xx have been changed for various bugs); still need a d-i build (in unapproved again currently)15:32
lool- armel's "iMX51 Babbage": dailies are building, would have liked fixing 359049, but probably doesn't warrant a kernel upload, everything seems to work at this point; some unfortunate issues preventing correct use of USB and wifi; 356517 breaks NM on wired, asac is uploading a fix soon; need some kind of release notes for this flavour15:33
lool- VFP: pango uploaded, gtk+ ready but being QA-ed (builds were slow yesterday), ffmpeg-debian patch ready, needs review, testing and upload; missing cairo still15:33
lool- wont make the release: poulsbo, touchscreen15:33
lool- lpia: overall good shape, d-i images were fixed recently15:33
lool- armel: overall good shape; update-initramfs/flash-kernel 358762 needs fixing before release though, but has a proposed fix (needs testing and upload)15:33
lool- important bugs I'd like to cover:15:33
lool  349314: slowness on intel graphics on eeepcs; Paul Larson says it wasn't this patch causing regressions, Andy says it was, Matt asks for a bug for the regressions15:33
lool  358762: want advice / ack on proposed changes15:33
lool  359049: don't think this warrants a kernel upload, but am taking opinions15:33
lool(done pasting)15:33
loolAh there's something I forgot to write down: I've asked for more armel buildds yesterday as we had a growing backlog of needs build packages on armel15:34
slangasekI'll process the d-i asap15:34
looland only 3 builders with 2 being busy on openoffice and openjdk15:34
loolAFAIK, one more openjdk upload is still needed15:34
ograwasnt that just done some mins ago ?15:35
loolinfinity has set up our livefs builder as buildd temporarily and this helped a lot15:35
loologra: No, yesterday evening15:35
loologra: Oh openjdk?15:35
ograopenjdk-6 (6b14-1.4.1-0ubuntu6) jaunty; urgency=low15:35
ogra  * Fix native2ascii jdk test case, which let the jdk testsuite fail.15:35
ogra20min ago15:35
slangasekI just approved an openjdk fix, yes15:35
loolNot sure whether that's the final one15:35
* ogra hopes so15:35
loolAnyway, we can discuss this later15:36
ograwith the archive rebuild and the slow buioldds i really fear we wont have built everything by release on armel15:36
slangasek359049> yes, milestoning for -updates15:36
slangasekhmm - or should that be declined altogether, I guess15:36
loolUpdates sound bad15:36
loolAs we don't distinguish between jaunty and jaunty-updates in cdimage/debian-cd15:37
loolI'd rather have the same udeb name for both15:37
loolIt's either now, or karmic15:37
sbeattielool: do we need an ubuntu-mid alternate iso target on the iso tracker? would that have caught the issues with that image an the mini 9 that made it through the beta?15:37
loolSince the debian-cd/cdimage stuff is versionned per dist, I don't strongly care that we have a hack in an old branch of debian-cd15:37
loolsbeattie: We're not really committed to supporting that officially, but we could have one if it helps getting more testing / better testing15:38
loolBut when there are issues, we're fixing them as part of lpia QA15:38
slangasek358762> can you set that bug back to new and subscribe ubuntu-release, then?15:39
loolsure15:39
ograwe could just upload it :)15:39
ograand close it .. the fix is three lines15:39
looldone15:39
slangasekwell, he wanted an ack15:40
loologra: I want a second opinion15:40
slangasekthat's how you get one of those :)15:40
ograheh15:40
ograk15:40
slangasekI think I've digested everything above; did I miss anything you needed comments on?15:40
loolI'd like to know decisions on the other two15:41
lool349314: 359049:15:41
lool359049: I take it that we agree no kernel uploads anymore, so we'll stick to current hardcoding?15:41
slangasekyes15:41
lool349314: will that be fixed in SRU?15:41
loolpgraner: ^15:41
slangasek349314> what decision do you need?  sounds like the bug isn't fully triaged yet15:41
loolI hoped we'd have more recent info, or a plan15:42
loolIt's the worst bug hitting UNR / EeePCs users15:42
slangasekthat looks appropriate for an SRU, IMHO15:43
pgranerlool: we are working with upstream, and will be SRU15:43
loolShall we provide a ppa kernel for eeepc users?  release note it?15:43
pgranerlool: prob could do with a release note15:43
slangasekyes15:43
slangasek[ACTION] slangasek to add release-note task for bug #34931415:43
MootBotACTION received:  slangasek to add release-note task for bug #34931415:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 349314 in linux "[i915] allocate MCHBAR space & enable if necessary" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34931415:43
loolOk; thanks for discussion15:43
looldone for mobile, unless there are any questions?15:43
slangaseknone for me15:44
slangasekthanks15:44
slangasek[TOPIC] Kernel team15:44
MootBotNew Topic:  Kernel team15:44
pgranerslangasek: here goes the cut n paste15:44
pgraner   * Bug:348275: iwlagn: NM applet doesn't connect to WPA215:44
pgraner    - Different cards, different systems, possibly a supplicant issue. Given the symptoms no critical.15:44
pgraner   * Bug:336055: wrong ESSIDs shown after resume15:44
pgraner    - Have a fix (abi bumper) we can add if we have to spin another kernel.15:44
pgraner   * Bug:350491: hibernation should not be allowed when running kernel is gone from disk15:44
pgraner    - Will have to check with apw on the status.15:44
pgraner   * Bug:356975: imx51 oops after watchdog call15:44
pgraner    - No fix, we will keep working, if we spin a new kernel we might be able to include.15:44
pgraner   * Bug:331589: system beep in jaunty is the most annoying sound known to man15:44
pgraner    - Fix Committed15:44
pgraner   * Bug:340014: suspend/resume fails on Samsung NC1015:44
pgraner    - Looking to be a BIOS or Hardware issue. Shipping hardware to cking to see if he can determine root cause. Possible SRU post-release.15:44
pgraner   * Bug:358574: [drm:i915_gem_idle] *ERROR* hardware wedged15:45
pgraner    - Intel freeze issues. rickspencer3 covered in his status.15:45
lool356975> You have something to include?15:46
loolpgraner: In general, do you have any not included iMX51 patches around the corner?15:46
pgranerlool: are you asking if we are holding back patches?15:46
loolNo, I had in mind that you might have received a bunch to review, and might not have time to consider them or perhaps they aren't suitable for pre-release merging15:47
lool(I wasn't included in the kernel drops, and it's been a while since the previous one, so I'm hoping that FSL sent fixes for the most annoying bugs)15:47
pgranerlool: no patches that I'm aware of, can you be more specific?15:47
pgranerlool: I haven't seen patchs from FSL in weeks15:48
loolpgraner: I wish for USB fixes and perhaps getting the wifi in shape, but I don't know how much hardware versus software these issues are; FSL is aware though15:48
ograthe prob with 356975 is that it is only reproducable in use with NM15:48
ograwhich in turn waits for 356517 first15:48
slangasekif there's any chance the right place to fix 350491 is outside the kernel package itself, we should probably consider that, so we have a chance to fix that before release15:48
loolpgraner: Ok; too bad then, I hope we'll see patches in the future and they will be SRU-able15:48
loolpgraner: thanks for the update!15:48
pgranerlool: np15:49
slangasekpgraner: is there a test kernel with the fix for 336055 that I could test here, to confirm that it fixes it?15:49
slangasek358574> I didn't see this covered in rickspencer3's status report15:49
pgranerslangasek: I can get rtg to build you one15:49
slangasekI'd appreciate it15:50
pgranerslangasek: that is the Intel freeze issues we have 3 or four different freeze bugs that upstream think are all related15:50
slangasekok15:50
pgranerThats all from kernel team...15:50
rickspencer3slangasek: ack what pgraner said regarding 35857415:51
rickspencer3it's part of the whole "freeze" issue15:51
* slangasek nods15:51
pgranerslangasek: if we don't get fixes we prob should do a release note15:51
slangasekagreed15:51
slangasekit's on the radar for now, we can sort that when we're a little closer to release and know more15:52
rickspencer3I think there is a lot going on upstream as well, so an SRU may become possible if we want to go that route15:52
slangasekwe'll probably need to15:52
slangasek[TOPIC] Foundations team15:52
MootBotNew Topic:  Foundations team15:52
slangasekrobbiew: hi15:52
robbiewhi15:52
robbiew * Bug:339898: migration assistant offered on full-disk installs - Assigned to evand for investigation.15:53
robbiewthis was opened yesterday (I think)...and doubt evand had a chance to look at it before leaving15:53
robbiewon holiday15:53
slangasekit was opened weeks ago, actually15:54
slangasekturned up in beta QA testing15:54
robbiewah15:54
robbiewwhoops15:54
robbiew03-0915:55
robbiewnot 04-0915:55
robbiewheh15:55
robbiewin any case...seems to have sat15:55
robbiewso I assigned to evand and will talk to him next week15:55
* slangasek nods15:55
robbiewBug:309411: bouncycastle MIR - Is this waiting on response regarding enabling testsuite? noticed it was marked Incomplete by kees.15:55
slangasekyeah, that should be assigned to me, really15:56
robbiewheh15:56
slangasek(I'm partway through getting the testsuite enabled; so that bug'll be closed soon)15:56
robbiew:)15:57
robbiewok15:57
robbiewBug 350016: aclocal python.m4 broken - The fix by doko works around the issue with "site-packages" vs "dist-packages", but introduces another with the path associated with --prefix now always ignored, i.e. /usr/local is always used.  We will need to figure out a better workaround, if possible.15:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 350016 in python2.6 "wrong quoting in aclocal's python.m4 check" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35001615:57
loolAck, these causes a bunch of FTBFS again15:57
robbiewnot sure what to do on this one, as doko is having to workaround an issue we didn't create15:58
slangasekI think the workaround needs to be dropped; I believe doko said on #ubuntu-release that he was going to revert that today, though I haven't seen it yet15:58
robbiewagree15:59
robbiewok15:59
robbiewdoko: around?15:59
robbiewI'll post a comment in the bug to recommend the dropping of the "fix"15:59
* slangasek nods15:59
robbiewBug 354793: apt cronjob fails in some timezones - jdstrand posted a proposed fix to apt.cron.daily, and looks to be waiting on the submitter to validate it.16:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 354793 in apt "date returns "invalid date" for some timezone's DST " [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35479316:00
jdstrandactually, mvo committed it16:00
robbiewah16:01
loolIt's bank holiday in germany, he's probably not around16:01
robbiewsweet16:01
jdstrand(not to jaunty yet)16:01
robbiewok16:01
slangasekso is mvo the assignee for jaunty?16:01
jdstrandwe spoke verbally that he is, yes16:01
slangasekmarked16:01
jdstrandI don't recall what the bug says16:01
robbiewnothing...from mvo heh16:01
jdstrandthere is another bug that will go with that one that we are also working on16:02
robbiewack16:02
robbiewBug 357884: "pycentral rtinstall" does not add python2.6 symlinks - last comment indicates that the solution is being discussed between cjwatson and mvo.16:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 357884 in python-central ""pycentral rtinstall" script does not add symlinks for python2.6 on upgrade" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35788416:03
* slangasek nods16:03
robbiewBug 316756: login.defs conffile prompt on upgrade - appears that james_w has released a fix for this one16:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 316756 in system-tools-backends "conffile prompt on upgrade to jaunty" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31675616:04
ograwow, that one is returning every second release16:04
slangasekshould stop returning if we kill off system-tools-backends :P16:04
slangasekin the meantime, fix applied16:04
* ogra remembers he had hunted the same one down in breezy16:04
slangasekrobbiew: anything else we should be tracking?16:05
robbiewnot that I know of16:05
slangasekok16:06
slangasekthanks16:06
slangasek[TOPIC] Server team16:06
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slangasekdendrobates: hi16:06
dendrobateshi16:06
dendrobatesbug 35008916:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 350089 in ecryptfs-utils "package ecryptfs-utils 73-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35008916:07
robbiewI ran into this one on upgrade...have /home on a separate partition16:07
slangasekon upgrade, or on a reinstall preserving /home?16:08
dendrobatesrobbiew: I don't think kirkland has been able to reproduce it.16:08
robbiewreinstalled16:08
robbiewbut preserved /home16:09
slangasekwell, it's not clear why ecryptfs-utils is being removed here16:09
slangasekand that seems to be the bug we're tracking16:09
robbiewwell...maybe I had a different issue16:09
slangasekwith the removal failure being a bit of UI unpleasantness, which is nevertheless deliberate?16:09
dendrobatesslangasek:  yes, kirkland believes it is a bug in the update-manager logic, per his last comment.16:10
slangasekok16:10
robbiewgreat :/16:10
dendrobatesslangasek: I have not gotten an update from hom this morning, though.16:10
slangasekalright, we'll pursue that one afterwards then16:10
slangasekdendrobates: any other bugs that we should be tracking for server?16:10
dendrobatesapart from that, we have a vmbuilder regression.16:11
slangasekbug #?16:12
dendrobatesgetting.16:12
sbeattiebug 342359?16:12
dendrobatesbug  34235916:12
dendrobatesyep16:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 342359 in vm-builder "[jaunty] ubuntu-vm-builder crashed with ioctl in create()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34235916:13
dendrobatesjdstrand: has a work around ready to upload.16:13
slangasekok; will watch for that in the queue today16:13
dendrobateshe is waiting for an approval from soren that has not come.16:13
dendrobatesok.16:13
slangasekanything else?16:14
dendrobatesnope, I think that is all.16:14
slangasekok, thanks16:14
slangasek[TOPIC] MOTU16:14
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slangaseknhandler: were you covering for ScottK today?16:14
nhandlerYes slangasek16:15
nhandlerThe only issue that he wanted to bring up was the Python 2.6 transition16:15
nhandlerThere are still several transition bugs (some with patches) that need to be approved and then sponsored16:15
nhandlerHowever, the list has been decreasing at a nice rate16:16
slangasekthe two targeted bugs I have for python 2.6 are 353688 and 354415; is there a longer list somewhere?16:16
nhandlerslangasek: I have not seen one. I only know about the bugs where motu-release or ubuntu-universe-sponsors are subscribed.16:17
nhandlerThose are the only ones I have "lists" for16:17
nhandlerI could try and put together a list of bugs if that is desired16:17
slangasekif they're all in process, no need16:18
slangasekwas mainly wondering if there were bugs I could help along, but if they're waiting on motu-release or u-u-s then I already know how to do that :)16:19
nhandlerslangasek: I think most/if not all of them are in progress. I will try to verify this, and create a list of any transition bugs that need someone to create a patch for16:19
slangasekthere are also some initial FTBFS bugs resulting from the autobuild retest; anyone interested in working on those for universe?16:19
nhandlerI'm not aware of any individual who is working on those bugs. \16:21
slangasekfair enough16:21
nhandlerHowever, I can try to change that ;)16:22
slangasekok :)16:22
slangaseknhandler: anything else we need to discuss?16:22
nhandlerScottK only had that one issue. I personally think we should be in good shape.16:22
slangasekexcellent16:22
slangaseknhandler: thanks for keeping us informed16:23
nhandlerYou're welcome sla16:23
slangasek[TOPIC] AOB16:23
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slangasekany oddball issues to cover before we adjourn?16:23
slangasek#endmeeting16:24
MootBotMeeting finished at 10:24.16:24
slangasekthanks, folks!16:24
loolthanks16:24
loolhappy week-end16:24
robbiewthnx16:24
jcastrofriendly reminder!16:26
jcastrohttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep16:26
jcastroplenty of slots left for openweek16:26
nhandlerThanks for the reminder jcastro, I should probably give some sort of session16:27
dokoslangasek: yes, around, but the final 2.6.2 release is not yet made. still on my list17:45
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