[00:00] <Penguino> Ok
[00:00] <Penguino> I'll try it
[00:00] <Penguino> I hope it works with apt-get
[00:00] <JanC> you need to install linux-generic or linux-image-generic
[00:00] <Penguino> Oh. ok
[00:01] <JanC> those will always depend on the latest -generic kernel
[00:01] <Penguino> Oh
[00:01] <Grahzny> Ah, interesting to explore how it's organized.
[00:02] <Penguino> But i think I must download it here on desktop, because server can't connect to Internet :D
[00:03] <Penguino> Whoops
[00:03] <Penguino> Thanks, JanC
[00:04] <JanC> Penguino: in that case you probably best download the latest kernel version directly, and install the linux-generic meta-package once you have an internet connection
[00:05] <Penguino> Ok
[00:53] <Bullterd> Evening All
[00:53] <Bullterd> I have a ubuntu server x64 install
[00:53] <Bullterd> and i just put in a adaptec PCI RAID Card, 16 port
[00:54] <Bullterd> I have setup 6x 500gb RAID 5 on the card, however, fdisk -l does not show the drive(s)
[00:54] <Bullterd> How would I go about setting that up ?
[00:58] <ropetin> Bullterd: did you prepare the RAID array using the Adaptec utility?
[00:58] <Bullterd> prepare?
[00:58] <Bullterd> I set it up as a logical drive e.t.c
[00:59] <ropetin> That's what I meant :)
[00:59] <Bullterd> Same as I did when it was a *shudder* M$ Server
[00:59] <ropetin> OK
[00:59] <Bullterd> but that was all in the adaptec BIOS config :)
[00:59] <ropetin> Exactly
[00:59] <Bullterd> I think it may be driver related :(
[01:00] <ropetin> I would guess maybe a kernel module issue, yeah
[01:00] <ropetin> Whats the exact model?
[01:00] <Bullterd> Adaptec AAR 21610SA
[01:03] <ropetin> Looks like it's aacraid you need, but not sure if it's enabled as standard or not
[01:03] <Bullterd> Hah
[01:03] <Bullterd> Which swiftly brings me along to
[01:03] <ropetin> modrobe it?
[01:03] <Bullterd> Why do I keep getting "aacraid host adapter abort request"
[01:04] <ropetin> modprobe even
[01:05] <Bullterd> Um, How would I do that?
[01:05] <ropetin> sudo modprobe aacraid
[01:15] <OscarTgrouch> what is the best way to block server access to a certain IP?
[01:16] <ropetin> OscarTgrouch: iptables?
[01:17] <ropetin> Or ufw which is a front end fow ufw
[01:17] <ropetin> for ufw
[01:18] <nitsedy> Oscar, this should help: http://www.higherpass.com/linux/Tutorials/Iptables-Primer/4/
[01:18] <nitsedy> third line down
[01:20] <Bullterd> ropetin: modprobe aacraid returns nothing
[01:20] <ropetin> Bullterd: I'm out of ideas then, sorry
[01:35] <MTecknology> So - deploying dovecot-postfix - how quickly can I setup a brand new email server?
[01:38] <lamont> depends on how you define "email server"
[01:38] <lamont> and how familiar you are with dovecot and postfix
[01:39] <lamont> by the 3rd one, I'd expect the answer to be on the order of minutes,  most of which is waiting for hte computer to finish what it's doing
[01:41] <SJr|Work> klogd is/was going nuts on my system using almost 100% cpu usage, it is unacceptable
[01:41] <MTecknology> lamont: I've done courier/postfix from scratch a couple times in a vm - never dovecort
[01:42] <SJr|Work> I have since restarted the machine, but to prevent this from happening again, I am left with only two options, investigate the cause of the high cpu usage, and correct it. Or failing that, format the machine and install the antithesis of Ubuntu, debian.
[01:43] <MTecknology> SJr|Work: well, if it were me, I'd do the first
[01:43] <MTecknology> probably a whole lot easier
[01:43] <SJr|Work> Any suspects?
[01:44] <MTecknology> lamont: is dovecot easier to figure out?
[01:44] <MTecknology> SJr|Work: why didn't you kill it to see what else was running?
[01:44] <SJr|Work> I did
[01:44] <infinity> MTecknology: dovecot pretty much "just works" for most simple configurations.
[01:45] <infinity> MTecknology: So, yeah, I'd call it easy.
[01:45] <MTecknology> infinity: cool :)
[01:45] <MTecknology> infinity: anything special for multiple domains?
[01:46] <infinity> Depends on what you mean by "mutliple domains".
[01:46] <infinity> Multiple domains being delivered to real local users, or virtual users?
[01:46] <lamont> MTecknology: dovecot is on my list of things to figure out
[01:46] <MTecknology> virtual
[01:46] <infinity> I don't do virtual users, so couldn't say.
[01:47] <infinity> I do "virtual domain" in my MTA, in the sense that they all have their own aliases and such, but back-end delivery still ultimately lands in the mailboxes of real UNIX users.
[01:47] <MTecknology> I would like to keep all mail in /var/spool/mail/virtual/user stored in maildir format - I prefer not having real users
[01:49] <infinity> MTecknology: Combining it with something like vpopmail might make the virtual user thing easier.
[01:50] <infinity> MTecknology: But yeah.  Not my bag, so I can't be incredibly helful on that score.
[01:58] <MTecknology> thanks for the info - I'm excited to use it
[02:05] <Bullterd> Fuck Sakes
[02:06]  * Bullterd starts thinking M$ might be easier
[02:11] <ropetin> Does this help Bullterd?
[02:11] <ropetin> http://linux.adaptec.com/?p=22
[02:13] <Bullterd> yeah i checked that o8ut
[02:13] <Bullterd> Didnt make any sense, dell have changed the page he links too
[02:13] <Bullterd> atleast, I think they did
[02:13] <ropetin> k
[02:13] <Bullterd> I love linux
[02:14] <Bullterd> I fucking hate hardware incompatibility
[02:14] <RS_Asleepy> Hello
[02:14] <Bullterd> ello
[02:14] <ropetin> !cc
[02:14] <ropetin> Doh!
[02:14] <ropetin> :D
[02:15] <Bullterd> !boobs
[02:15]  * Bullterd chuckles
[02:15] <RS_Asleepy> I'm having a bit of an issue trying to install Ubuntu Server 8.10 :(
[02:15] <RS_Asleepy> Trying to boot the Ubuntu Server 8.10 Server CD and it loads as far as "Loading...boot" and goes no further. Any ideas? :(
[02:15] <Bullterd> Checked the media ?
[02:15] <Bullterd> DVD / CD Drive OK? (as in, not an old shitey one)
[02:16] <RS_Asleepy> Tried a couple of different brands of CD. I did put a memtest86+ ISO on one and that booted up no idea
[02:16] <Bullterd> Dunno
[02:16] <RS_Asleepy> It's a VIA Epia 5000.
[02:16] <Sam-I-Am> not trying to fun 64-bit on 32, right?
[02:16] <Sam-I-Am> fun/run
[02:16] <RS_Asleepy> Nope :)
[02:17] <Bullterd> Dang, theres a concept
[02:17] <Bullterd> XP picks up everything first time
[02:17] <Bullterd> :'(
[02:17] <RS_Asleepy> I did have a look around and I did notice some people did have issues with the Epia, but they all seemed to be at least able to install it!
[02:18] <Sam-I-Am> have you tried any other linux distros?
[02:18] <Sam-I-Am> like... debian lenny, or ubuntu 9.04 beta?
[02:18] <RS_Asleepy> It has debian on it but I thought I'd give Ubuntu a try
[02:18] <RS_Asleepy> Not tried 9.04
[02:19] <RS_Asleepy> I did notice there was 8.04 LTS, but I'm not sure if a) thats a wise choice to use b) what the difference is between that and 8.10
[02:19] <Sam-I-Am> it has extended support... thats all
[02:19] <LonelyGirl545454> Hello all
[02:20] <RS_Asleepy> I don't think I'm doing anything daft :)
[02:20] <Bullterd> LonelyGirl545454: Pics else liez! :D
[02:20] <Bullterd> LonelyGirl545454: That aside, can I help ?
[02:21] <LonelyGirl545454> Im having trouble setting up Jinzora on Ubuntu 8.10 server.  Im following this wiki http://en.jinzorahelp.com/wiki/Linux_Installation_with_shell_access  I've gotten to the part where i set up the permissions.  Then when i direct my browser to the folder i get a "403 forbidden Error" .  Any ideas?
[02:21] <Bullterd> ropetin: Haha, guess what color my screen just turned
[02:21] <Sam-I-Am> your permissions are wrong :)
[02:21] <LonelyGirl545454> =) Hi Sam.
[02:22] <LonelyGirl545454> Should i be using something different then "chmod 744 configure.sh"
[02:22] <LonelyGirl545454> Im new....SHHHH. =)
[02:22] <Sam-I-Am> thats just the script... the 403 is from what the web browser probably doesnt have permission to read
[02:22] <Bullterd> What Sam-I-Am said basically
[02:23] <Bullterd> chmod the folder
[02:23] <Bullterd> LonelyGirl545454: Did the shell script execute OK ?
[02:24] <LonelyGirl545454> Is that when i set the permissions.  Im sorry.  Im extremely new to this.
[02:24] <LonelyGirl545454> It said it was ready to install and to direct the browser to http://ip/jinzora2 after i set the permissions
[02:25] <LonelyGirl545454> Bull should i cd to /var/www and then type chmod 744 jinzora2?
[02:25] <Bullterd> erm
[02:25] <Bullterd> LonelyGirl545454: It says you've gotta execute the shell script
[02:25] <Bullterd> did you do that
[02:29] <LonelyGirl545454> @bull.  i sent you a private message dont know if you received it or not.
[02:29] <LonelyGirl545454> Im not sure exactly what part of the wiki has me Executing the shell script.  in all honesty i dont even know what that means.  Please feel free to enlighten me. =).   I've done everything down to the setting permissions part.
[02:30] <MTecknology> There any guides to deploying dovecot-courier?
[02:30] <MTecknology> I selected it on installatiopn
[02:30] <Sam-I-Am> anything in the server guide?
[02:31] <MTecknology> not that i saw
[02:31] <Sam-I-Am> gotta be something out there...
[02:32] <Sam-I-Am> i'm familiar with cyrus, but not dovecot/courier
[02:32] <MTecknology> i'm sure there is, idk where it's at - that's why I'm asking :P
[02:32] <MTecknology> Sam-I-Am: in 9.04 there's a dovecot-courier package
[02:32] <OscarTG> how do i list all the servers that are running on my machine>?
[02:33] <ScottK> MTecknology: You mean using dovecot with courier-mta?
[02:33] <MTecknology> first created user in 9.04 isn't automatically in the sudoers file....
[02:33] <MTecknology> wtf
[02:33] <Sam-I-Am> MTecknology: it was for me
[02:33] <MTecknology> i tried sudo -s and it said differently
[02:34] <Sam-I-Am> is that the user you installed with?
[02:34] <Sam-I-Am> when it asked for a user
[02:34] <MTecknology> just installed it - ya
[02:35] <MTecknology> only user that exists
[02:35] <MTecknology> i ran id and it only shows uid=1000(michael) gid=1000(michael) groups=1000(michael)
[02:36] <Sam-I-Am> weird...
[02:36] <MTecknology> extremely - fresh install
[02:37] <MTecknology> I can't fight with figuring it out though... i have no mail server right now :P
[02:39] <MTecknology> hurray for recovery boot
[02:39] <infinity> MTecknology: Did you do an "expert" install?
[02:39] <infinity> MTecknology: If you do an expert install and set a root password, it bypassed the usual adding-the-first-user-to-admin-groups and such.
[02:39] <infinity> (at least, it used to)
[02:40] <MTecknology> nope, just standard server install
[02:40] <MTecknology> oh well - all better
[02:41] <MTecknology> only 80 updates
[02:42] <Bullterd> I love this.
[02:42] <Bullterd> Linux's main issue: Hardware compatibility
[02:42] <Bullterd> What do I get? Thats right, Hardware compatibility
[02:42] <Bullterd> Windows's Main Issue: BSOD's
[02:42] <Bullterd> What do I get? Thats right, a BSOD
[02:43] <Bullterd> and wheres my Official ubuntu stress relief ball I bought last week?
[02:43] <MTecknology> perhaps you have bad hardware...
[02:43] <Bullterd> Yep, Cant find it
[02:43] <Bullterd> MTecknology: Nah, Its not bad
[02:43] <Bullterd> Linux didnt like my adaptec controller, thats fair doo's
[02:43] <Bullterd> Windows didnt like not having drivers for my onboard SATA
[02:44] <MTecknology> still nothing found for dovecot-courier...
[02:45] <infinity> MTecknology: dovecot-courier wouldn't make much sense, since they both fulfil the same role.
[02:45] <MTecknology> s/courier/postfix/
[02:46] <infinity> Well, there's nothing to configure to make them work together, really.
[02:46] <infinity> By default, they Just Work.
[02:46] <MTecknology> !info dovecot-postfix
[02:46] <MTecknology> !info dovecot-postfix jaunty
[02:46] <infinity> For things like virtual users, you configure postfix to deliver to said virtual users, you configure dovecot to read from them.
[02:46] <infinity> Just install dovecot and postfix. :P
[02:46] <MTecknology> I know, one handles delivery and one handles reading
[02:47] <MTecknology> infinity: I installed that package... idk how to configure it - I've never dealt w/ dovecot before
[02:47] <infinity> Or, if you're happier with courier, postfix and courier, or exim4 and courier, or, or, or...
[02:47] <infinity> MTecknology: Well, for basic use, it's already configured.
[02:47] <infinity> MTecknology: For deeper and crazier configs, the dovecot wiki is good.
[02:48] <MTecknology> how? it automatically knows everything about everything?
[02:48] <infinity> MTecknology: Well, a default setup doesn't have virtual users or anything, so yeah, a default postfix and default dovecot just DTRT.
[02:49] <MTecknology> that makes very little sense that it knows everything about the server environment
[02:49] <infinity> MTecknology: What's there to know?
[02:49] <infinity> MTecknology: We have filesystem hierarchy standards and such for a reason.  Every MTA and MDA we ship knows where things happen by default.
[02:50] <infinity> MTecknology: Until you decide to do something slightly more fun/funky, they all "Just Work".
[02:50] <MTecknology> i never expected anything to be able to happen like that
[02:51] <MTecknology> authentication is handled by pam?
[02:51] <infinity> Yup.
[02:51] <MTecknology> and maildir automatically exists for the user?
[02:52] <infinity> Don't recall if the default setup is mbox or maildir, to be honest.
[02:52] <MTecknology> what about multiple domains?
[02:52] <MTecknology> I have 5 of them
[02:53] <infinity> Multiple domains to local users is just a question of what domains you ask postfic to accept mail for.  Multiple domains to aliased users would start requiring lookup maps in postfix, I assume, which is out of my scope as an exim user.
[02:53] <infinity> Multiple domains to virtual users starts looking at tying something like vpopmail into postfix and dovecot for lookup tables.
[02:54] <MTecknology> alrighty - I'll enjoy knowing that the package exists for smaller setups or single domains - i think I'll resort to my whole massive setup :P
[02:54] <MTecknology> thanks :)
[02:58] <MTecknology> infinity: the setup I was looking at originally uses courier/postfix/mysql/postgrey/sasl/amavis/spamassassin/clamav
[02:58] <infinity> Whatever works for you. :)
[02:58] <MTecknology> infinity: how does the default setup do w/ tls - or is that an extra config?
[02:59] <infinity> Mine's exim4/dovecot/spamassasin and some other bits.
[02:59] <infinity> TLS should be pretty much an out-of-the-box (maybe changing one option?) thing for most of the mail software in the distro.
[02:59] <infinity> We auto-generate snakeoil certs for the lazy, even.
[03:00] <MTecknology> ya - I'm going to need to figure out how to get my cert to be used
[03:00] <MTecknology> that'll be fun - I can use the exact same cert for imaps/pops/smtps/https right?
[03:01] <infinity> Yup.
[03:01] <infinity> As long as they all use the same hostname.
[03:01] <MTecknology> awesome
[03:03] <MTecknology> I figure I have an hour left before email messages start bouncing and not coming back
[03:35] <MTecknology> almost have postfix configured :D
[03:39] <giovani> almost? :)
[03:39] <giovani> postfix is a 10 minute from 0 to 100 config
[03:41] <MTecknology> depending on how you set it up
[03:42] <MTecknology> all done
[03:43] <MTecknology> it was about a 45min setup for me - I have a crap load of security options and other crap setup
[03:46] <MTecknology> I lied, forgot about setting up tls
[03:47] <MTecknology> /etc/postfix/master.cf isn't so much fun to muck around in
[04:23] <MTecknology> almost have my mail server redone except for smtp... biggest part right now
[04:24] <JanC> postfix requires a bit of reading docs, but it's not illogical once you understand...  ;)
[04:25] <MTecknology> JanC: It should be working right now - but I can't connect on that port
[04:25] <MTecknology> not open at all
[04:25] <JanC> that's better than it being open for everybody  ;)
[04:25] <MTecknology> ya - but I know I have email bouncing :P
[04:27] <JanC> MTecknology: the logs should have info
[04:27] <JanC> BTW: what are you trying to do?
[04:27] <MTecknology> lol - had three files owned by root instead of postfix
[04:27] <MTecknology> JanC: setup a mail server
[04:28] <JanC> "a mail server" can be a lot of things...
[04:28] <MTecknology> email
[04:28] <MTecknology> courier/postfix/mysql/postgrey/sasl/amavis/spamassassin/clamav
[04:28] <JanC> my server does IMAP (using dovecot) and SMTP (using postfix)
[04:29] <JanC> incoming mail on the default SMTP port
[04:29] <MTecknology> yup
[04:29] <JanC> mails I send on the "submission" port
[04:29] <MTecknology> yup
[04:29] <JanC> (meaning SMTP over TLS/SSL)
[04:29] <MTecknology> yup ;)
[04:29] <JanC> + authentication
[04:29] <twb> The submission port need not be SSL, I think
[04:30] <JanC> twb: need not be, but if you want security...  :P
[04:30] <twb> Right, so they are orthogonal.
[04:30] <twb> And both good, of course.
[04:30] <JanC> I use this with my laptop everywhere
[04:31] <JanC> and it's easy enough to require TLS/SSL on it
[04:33] <JanC> MTecknology: so, what doesn't work?
[04:34] <JanC> MTecknology: and why use courier ?  ツ
[04:34] <MTecknology> it's working now
[04:35] <JanC> forgot to restart a daemon?  ;)
[04:35] <MTecknology> because I know courier, never used dovecot
[04:35] <MTecknology> permissions
[04:35] <MTecknology> /etc/init.d/postfix check   let me know what was wrong
[04:35] <JanC> right
[04:35] <MTecknology> This is why postfix took so long to configure - http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/148082/
[04:36] <JanC> hm, I don't use amavis anymore
[04:36] <MTecknology> why not?
[04:37] <JanC> I had to restart it too often...   :P
[04:37] <JanC> (manually, that is)
[04:37] <MTecknology> I hope I won't have to
[04:37] <MTecknology> I set it up to notify on updates, so it should be good
[04:38] <MTecknology> wtf......
[04:38] <MTecknology> I just accidentally ran sudo reboot instead of sudo aptitude update
[04:39] <JanC> lol
[04:39] <MTecknology> JanC: why does your nick seem so familiar?
[04:39] <JanC> but amavis just kept eating memory on my server, so I removed it  ;)
[04:40] <JanC> MTecknology: #ubuntu-locoteams ?
[04:40] <MTecknology> oh - thanks
[04:40] <JanC> and ubuntu-be.org  ;)
[04:41] <MTecknology> that would be it :)
[04:41] <JanC> IIRC you made our site theme
[04:41] <MTecknology> yup - you like it?
[04:41] <JanC> yeah, it's good
[04:42] <JanC> now we just need to make the site better  ;)
[04:42] <MTecknology> I'm in that boat too - feel free to stick around in -drupal :)
[04:43] <JanC> -drupal ?
[04:44] <JanC> ubuntu-drupal ?
[04:44] <MTecknology> #ubuntu-drupal
[04:44] <MTecknology> ya
[04:44] <JanC> it's mostly Pierre who does the site admin tasks though
[04:45] <MTecknology> well - after an update I'll need to reboot my server - I always reboot for kernel updates - that's a good idea, right?
[04:45] <JanC> without a reboot kernel upgrades have no effect
[04:46] <JanC> but on my server I wait a day to see if it will cause no major breakage
[04:46] <JanC> at least for most kernel updates
[04:47] <MTecknology> you mean like waiting for bug reports?
[04:47] <JanC> bug reports or people complaining in blogs or whatever
[04:47] <MTecknology> oh
[04:48] <JanC> if something is really wrong with a kernel, it will be published widely in no time  ;)
[04:48] <JanC> depends on what was fixed
[04:48] <MTecknology> I suppose - I can wait till after release before rebooting again
[04:48] <MTecknology> any eta on ubuntu supporting ext4 defrag?
[04:49] <MTecknology> preferably online - but I don't care how it's done
[04:49] <JanC> I'm the only one with access to this server, so local privilege escalations are not as urgent as they would be for a shared hosting provider
[04:50] <JanC> eh, I hope you don't use ext4 yet?  ;)
[04:50] <MTecknology> lol - what you said reminded me about how I upgraded to 9.04 and Ext4 remotely - ext4 on /, /home, and others
[04:51] <MTecknology> would been fine if other tutorials didn't leave out a vital step - but that wouldn't even have been an issue if my motherboard wasn't crapping out
[04:51] <MTecknology> why not?
[04:51] <JanC> because it's new?
[04:51] <MTecknology> lol - that's how I run
[04:52] <MTecknology> all my servers are now 9.04, my laptop is, my servers are one defrag away from being all ext4
[04:52] <MTecknology> I'm that guy you guys like that reports huge issues where a system dies because they tried the newest stuff :P
[04:53] <MTecknology> I have noticed issues w/ it - but they've been incredibly minor
[04:53] <MTecknology> found existing bug reports and called it good enough :P
[04:53] <JanC> ext4 is new & largely untested, so I don't use it for a server that has serious tasks (like providing my e-mail & some websites)
[04:54] <MTecknology> email, samba, websites, backups, irc, bots, etc :P
[04:54] <MTecknology> I know, not safe - and I don't advise people doing it - but I did write a blog in case people do - so they don't have the same issues I did
[04:55] <MTecknology> I still need to reconfigure samba, restore data, etc on this (primary) server
[04:56] <JanC> I host websites that aren't just for personal use  ;)
[04:56] <MTecknology> I do a few of those - but business websites are on 1&1
[04:56] <MTecknology> the bandwidth here proved to be too low to use
[04:57] <MTecknology> 2.9MB/s over wireless - not bad
[04:57] <JanC> I'm not talking about business, but I take open source projects seriously...
[04:57] <MTecknology> my loco site is on there, that's about it
[04:57] <MTecknology> for important stuff
[04:57] <JanC> I host the gparted forum  ;)
[04:58] <MTecknology> ya, would stick w/ stable for that
[04:58] <JanC> and if I hosted my loco team site, I won't be playing with bleedign edge shit either
[04:59] <JanC> actually, this server is still running debian
[04:59] <JanC> well, VPS
[04:59] <MTecknology> well - for a while, that site was the bleeding edge version of that package - but now dev is at staging.profarius.com
[05:03] <MTecknology> You shoulda seen it when I decided it was time to clean up the code
[05:04] <MTecknology> that was over 100k lines of diff
[05:08] <MTecknology> and great - things seem to work except I can log into webmail - I wonder if telnet shows me messages
[05:09] <twb> ITYM nc.
[05:09] <MTecknology> ?
[05:10] <twb> Using telnet to connect a network socket to stdio is rather... old-fashioned.
[05:10] <MTecknology> it's good for testing things though - see an exact error
[05:10] <twb> netcat or socat at least lack telnets stigma.
[05:10] <twb> MTecknology: no, I mean using telnet to do it, instead of a tool specifically FOR that purpose.
[05:10] <MTecknology> what should I use to test?
[05:11] <MTecknology> a LOGIN michael@profarius.com password   ;   * BYE Temporary problem, please try again later
[05:11] <MTecknology> wtf...
[05:12] <MTecknology> nice - Apr  9 23:11:34 vindico imapd: authentication error: No such file or directory
[05:13] <MTecknology> the bright side is... email is coming in right now
[05:16] <MTecknology> I wish I knew how to track that down
[05:18] <JanC> MTecknology: telnet does some things that most servers ignore, but it's better not to do them (so that's why you want to use netcat instead)
[05:19] <MTecknology> use it the same way?
[05:19] <JanC> yes, you can use them for the same things that you use telnet now
[05:19] <MTecknology> ok
[05:19] <JanC> telnet is for those poor souls still left on Windows  ;)
[05:20] <JanC> they don't have decent tools available  ;)
[05:20] <MTecknology> ok
[05:20] <twb> Haha, cygwin
[05:21] <JanC> netcat is probably also available as 'nc' BTW
[05:22] <MTecknology> I wonder if this is killing it... MYSQL_MAILDIR_FIELD concat(home,'/',maildir)
[05:22] <JanC> twb: yeah, and maybe even in a mingw version
[05:22] <MTecknology> I don't know offhand how that's built
[05:28] <MTecknology> there we go - screwed up a default value in mysql so mail was pointing at the wrong spot
[05:31] <MTecknology> JanC: How do I make directories automatically and not allow users to delete them?
[05:34] <JanC> I have no clue about how you implemented your server
[05:34] <MTecknology> :(
[05:35] <JanC> dovecot can make directories automaticly
[05:37] <MTecknology> I know courier can too - it's probably because of my funky setup
[05:40] <MTecknology> I made it so I can't delete certain folders... but not so it created the whole profile automatically
[05:49] <MTecknology> I am so unbelievably happy I don't need to do this on a large scale
[08:41] <MTecknology> I installed courier-webadmin but I don't know how to get to it - any pointers?
[08:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> tried http?
[08:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[08:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> !info courier-webadmin
[08:42] <MTecknology> Kamping_Kaiser: I tried getting to it but I don't see any apache files for it
[08:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> MTecknology, i'd suggest looking in /usr/share/doc/courier-webadmin/ for doco
[08:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> MTecknology, probably drops a file in /etc/apache2/conf.d/
[08:43] <MTecknology> there isn't
[08:43] <MTecknology> I checked there which is why I;m confised
[08:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> odd. try the doco dir, i might have a readme.debian
[08:43] <MTecknology> there is
[08:43] <MTecknology> http://localhost/cgi-bin/courierwebadmin
[08:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> s/i /it
[08:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> \o/
[08:44] <MTecknology> but I go there and get nothing
[08:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> check your logs for info.
[08:45] <MTecknology> nothing to really look for though - there's no apache config
[08:50] <MTecknology> Kamping_Kaiser: this sucks :(
[08:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> MTecknology, sorry, i cant really help with specifics, and i didnt know the utility existed until you told me about it.
[08:51] <MTecknology> from what I'm seeing - it should "just work"
[08:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> MTecknology, i can only suggest things like check you have cgi setup in apache properly - with niche apps dependencies can go astray without people noticing at times.
[08:51]  * Kamping_Kaiser shrugs. :9
[08:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> * :(
[08:53] <MTecknology> thanks for trying :)
[08:53] <MTecknology> it sounds like it could be a really awesome tool
[08:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> good luck with it, let me know if you win
[08:55] <MTecknology> yup
[08:56] <MTecknology> I've won on most everything else so far today - jsut want to alter the way it works a little bit and I'm tired of massive configsd
[08:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> I might be about to have a win as well.
[08:57] <MTecknology> win what?
[08:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> building a custom install cd
[08:58] <MTecknology> fun
[08:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> not really :p
[08:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> anyhow, brb
[08:58] <MTecknology> what purpose?
[09:04] <MTecknology> !info courier-webadmin
[09:04] <MTecknology> !info courier-webadmin jaunty
[09:06] <MTecknology> I wonder how long it'll take to run updatedb on 1.5TB
[09:29] <cemc> MTecknology: probably the file count is more important than how much it occupies
[09:34] <MTecknology> cemc: hm?
[09:36] <cemc> AFAIK updatedb creates a list, an index of all the filenames and directories
[09:37] <sejo> someone experience with python-pgsql on ubuntu hardy? can't get it installed
[09:38] <cemc> so it doesn't really matter how mach data you have, if you have 1 large 1.5TB file, it won't take a second to run updatedb. if you however have lots of files and directories, it can take a while
[09:38] <sejo> python-psycopg2: Depends: python-egenix-mxdatetime but it is not installable
[09:38] <sejo> same for python-pgsql
[09:38] <MTecknology> sejo: oh.. whole lotta files
[09:38] <MTecknology> figure < 50MB each
[09:38] <sejo> MTecknology: ?
[09:39] <sejo> this is on an ubuntu hardy (server)
[09:39] <MTecknology> cemc: **
[09:40] <cemc> on my laptop with 160k files it takes about 30 seconds to run
[09:41] <MTecknology> How can I see how many files it scanned?
[09:41] <MTecknology> I know the first time takes longer
[09:45] <MTecknology> How do I run perl code in apache?
[09:46] <MTecknology> :'( - I want to get these two things done before sleep
[09:49] <jpds> MTecknology: Tried libapache2-mod-perl2?
[09:50] <MTecknology> ya, didn't help
[09:50] <MTecknology> jpds: wanna peak at my config?
[09:51] <MTecknology> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/148223/
[09:51] <MTecknology> it's short
[10:00] <acicula> that's not with mod-perl?
[10:00] <acicula> but you still dont get perl code execution with that snippet?
[10:05] <MTecknology> acicula: nope
[10:05] <acicula> anything helpfull in the logs?
[10:06] <acicula> i think it should work exactly the same as using php 4 in cgi mode
[10:07] <acicula> maybe that helps with finding config examples
[10:09] <MTecknology> my coputer just freaked
[10:09] <MTecknology> [Fri Apr 10 04:02:14 2009] [notice] Apache/2.2.11 (Ubuntu) PHP/5.2.6-3ubuntu4 with Suhosin-Patch mod_ssl/2.2.11 OpenSSL/0.9.8g mod_perl/2.0.4 Perl/v5.10.0 configured -- resuming normal operations
[10:09] <MTecknology> only thing resemnling an error
[10:09] <acicula> did you threatn it to install windows again?
[10:10] <MTecknology> it's in error.log
[10:10] <MTecknology> nope
[10:10] <acicula> that is remarkebly unhelpfull
[10:10] <acicula> heh
[10:10] <MTecknology> the error?
[10:11] <MTecknology> I know it is :P
[10:12] <acicula> yeh, heh
[10:12] <acicula> so if you request the perl cgi through apache, what happens
[10:13] <MTecknology> wants me to dload file
[10:15] <MTecknology> I wanna be sleeping by 5am
[10:16] <acicula> ah
[10:16] <acicula> so it doesnt know it's supposed to execute it\
[10:17] <MTecknology> doesn't seem like it
[10:17] <MTecknology> makes no dang sense...
[10:17] <acicula> so your configuration is not faulty, it's just doesnt do what you want
[10:17] <MTecknology> sure
[10:17] <MTecknology> I usually assume I just screwed up
[10:18] <acicula> though dunno whats missing, have a look at how to conf the php4 bin with cgibin, this works in the same way, just swap php for pl
[10:18] <acicula> or use modperl :)?
[10:19] <MTecknology> ya - i did that alreyad
[10:19] <MTecknology> damned courier-webadmin - thought life was going to get easier
[10:19] <acicula> hehe
[10:21] <MTecknology> regenerating this ssl cert is a pain too
[10:22] <acicula> heu why
[10:23] <MTecknology> Distinguished Name does not match existing certs Distinguished Name
[10:23] <MTecknology> no idea what that means
[10:26] <acicula> The Distinguished Name information should be entered accurately to reflect your registered organization name
[10:28] <MTecknology> heh... I don't even get asked to enter that info
[10:28] <MTecknology> DN
[10:34] <MTecknology> hurray, I think I have this thing re-keyed
[10:38] <MTecknology> great - now I'm too tired to remember how to impliment these :P
[10:41] <MTecknology> screw it - it's 04:41
[10:41] <MTecknology> I'll ttyal
[10:41] <acicula> nn
[10:51] <kraut> moin
[13:29] <t325> Hello, I'm trying to build mysql-5.1.33 from a modified generic source code on an Ubuntu box (not sure of the version, it's an Amazon EC2 box set up by another guy working on the project) with OpenSSL; cannot figure out which value I have to pass to --with-ssl= in the configure statement (--with-openssl doesn't exist anymore in the last MySQL 5.1 releases, you have to specify the path where to find the OpenSSL libs). Have the openssl package installed. It 
[13:32] <t325> Google led me to an outdated tutorial for MySQL 5.0 on Ubuntu with OpenSSL and a Debian Etch-specific tutorial (http://talkingcode.co.uk/2007/11/12/error-2026-hy000-ssl-connection-error-the-joy-of-mysql-ssl-on-debian/)
[13:59] <acicula> t325: they are probably in /usr/bin ? try locate libssl
[14:00] <acicula> err /usr/lib
[14:01] <t325> In fact libssl-dev has to be installed (didn't have it); then dpkg -L libssl-dev (got the reply on ubuntu-devel..)
[14:02] <t325> then configure mysql -with-ssl=/usr/include/openssl/
[14:03] <t325> now will it build that's another question..
[14:03] <acicula> arent there packages with prebuilt ssl support?
[14:04] <t325> I modified the source code; adding SSL support to the Federated storage engine
[14:04] <t325> but I think that they aren't
[14:05] <t325> MySQL doesn't care much about SSL
[14:06] <t325> (and the packagers seem to follow this trend)
[14:09] <acicula> i suppose most mysql servers are not attached to public interfaces much
[14:13] <t325> might be, but anyways I think that SSL should be given more support since the wide adoption of MySQL by very different businesses with very different needs..
[14:14] <acicula> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/secure-using-ssl.html
[14:14] <acicula> seems it supports ssl already?
[14:15] <acicula> and you dont need to specify the =path either it seems as long as your dev headers are in the default location
[14:15] <acicula> as far as being build with ssl support, you'd have to take that up with the maintainer, or modify the deb package file?
[14:18] <t325> talking about 5.1; it does support SSL, but badly - you have to investigate if you want to build against OpenSSL which is way more feature complete than built-in yaSSL but non-GPL -> legal bs
[14:20] <t325> ..it built successfuly!
[14:21] <t325> I only test it on Ubuntu, it will not be the production platform, but yes I could get in touch with the maintainer..
[15:57] <jcastro> kees: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep
[15:57] <jcastro> kees: I was thinking, could someone on the security team do something like "Introduction to Apparmor" or something?
[16:54] <madmartian> could anyone help me set up spamc to filter my mail through a provider's spamd service?
[17:14] <bytor4232> madmartian: spamc -d ip_address
[17:14] <bytor4232> madmartian: Of course, the spamd at ip_address needs to be able to listen
[17:14] <madmartian> bytor4232: is there a way I can integrate that into postfix
[17:14] <cornmander> hi, I just noticed that trying to execute things in my cwd fails: -bash: ./hldsupdatetool.bin: No such file or directory
[17:14] <cornmander> even though hldsupdatetool.bin exists and has 755 permissions
[17:19] <cornmander> ah, got it, I don't have 32 bit libs installed
[17:44] <bytor4232> madmartian: I'm not sure.  I've always used spamc in procmail
[17:45] <madmartian> bytor4232: how does that work?
[17:46] <ivoks> that's slow and bad for CPU
[18:05] <mike-9> Having a problem logging in (on ubuntu). I'm currently connected to my headless server because I got an error logging in with putty. I try to log in with my normal user and I get this: setuid: Resource Temporarily Unavailable. However, I can log in as root (which is why I'm logged in as root). Any ideas on what I need to do to fix this? Google didn't provide much help
[18:06] <ivoks> might be lots of things
[18:06] <ivoks> did you check dmesg?
[18:06] <ivoks> for filesystem errors
[18:06] <mike-9> ivoks: dmesg is flooded with firewall messages. err, I need to fix that.
[18:07] <ivoks> have you changed anything for your user?
[18:11] <cjwatson> that sounds like the system is under exceptionally heavy load, to me
[18:11] <cjwatson> check top
[18:11] <cjwatson> firewall message flooding might not be helping
[18:12] <cjwatson> setuid(2) says:
[18:12] <cjwatson>        EAGAIN The uid does not match the current uid and  uid  brings  process
[18:12] <cjwatson>               over its RLIMIT_NPROC resource limit.
[18:12] <ivoks> good one
[18:12] <cjwatson> which is the error you're seeing - so, in English, your normal user has too many processes running
[18:13] <cjwatson> (or else resource limits are misconfigured, I suppose)
[18:14] <ivoks> anyone has experience with four quad core cpus? i've heard opteron is better for that amount of cpus, cause xeon is limited by fb-dimm
[18:24] <madmartian> how do I set up a filter in Postfix? I want to do spam filtering with spamc using my hosting provider's spamd daemon, and I can't work out how to put spamc in the pipeline?
[18:27] <giovani> madmartian: did you read the postfix documentation?
[18:29] <madmartian> giovani: yes, but I can't seem to make head nor tail of it and there has to be an easier way of integrating spamc than a shell script
[18:30] <giovani> it's pretty clear, I think
[18:30] <giovani> http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html
[18:30] <giovani> the content inspection section
[18:30] <Black_Lord> ïðèâåò âñåì
[18:31] <madmartian> giovani: i'm looking at http://www.postfix.org/FILTER_README.html
[18:31] <Black_Lord> åñòü êòî íèáóäü?æèâîé
[18:32] <MTecknology> time to finish redoing my server :)
[18:33] <Black_Lord> ìîæíî ïîñòàâèòü óáóíòó ñåðâåð ñ ãðàô îáîëî÷êîé?
[18:33] <madmartian> !ops
[18:34] <ikonia> Black_Lord: please stop that
[18:49] <madmartian> thanks for your help
[18:58] <frojnd> hello there
[18:59] <petia> ivoks, early today today, we are working till 2 pm cause of the catholic easter
[18:59] <petia> so i'm about to go home , yeaa !!!!
[18:59] <ivoks> ?
[19:00] <petia> ivoks, i'm just glad i'm leaving early today , and its a holiday i had to share with you since you are my friend
[19:00] <ivoks> i am?
[19:01] <ivoks> :)
[19:01] <petia> yeah you helped me out, so i consider you my friend !
[19:01] <frojnd> bah.. lucky u... I have to program or learn to program with  MFC VS08 here :(
[19:01] <ivoks> petia: well, happy easter
[19:01] <petia> you too guys
[19:02] <petia> i'm out
[19:10] <ivoks> oh, we don't install dovecot-postfix as a mail task?
[19:15] <ivoks> a bit disappointing :)
[19:15] <lamont> ivoks: huh?  is that gonna have to wait for karmic then?
[19:15] <ivoks> i had even bigger plans for karmic, like ldap integration and stuff
[19:16] <ivoks> i was expecting this would be in jaunty
[19:25] <MTecknology> ok... I have a .key and .crt for my server and the .crt for the issuer. I setup postfix and apache to use it - but I have no idea how to take care of this for courier since it wants a .pem file
[19:26] <cemc> MTecknology: you can just cat .crt .key > .pem
[19:26] <cemc> and give that to courier
[19:26] <cemc> so the .crt and the .key will be in the .pem file
[19:27] <MTecknology> oh - thanks :)
[19:34] <frojnd> does ubuntu have somesort of a search engine that finds a package and it's repository ?
[19:34] <frojnd> I need a repository for bittorent package
[19:35] <giovani> huh?
[19:35] <ivoks> ERR: do not understand
[19:35] <giovani> frojnd: the "bittorrent" package is provided in the ubuntu repositories, no searching required
[19:36] <giovani> `sudo apt-get install bittorrent` will do it
[19:37] <ivoks> lamont: we should also put 'ntp' as a dependecy for dovecot-postfix for next release
[19:37] <ivoks> since dovecot doesn't like ntpdate :)
[19:38] <lamont> ivoks: everything likes ntpdate.  just only once at boot, kthx.
[19:38] <ivoks> :)
[19:38] <lamont> how does dovecot "doesn't like" it?
[19:38] <ivoks> cause it shifts clock
[19:39] <ivoks> and it time is shifted backwards, dovecot does a suicide
[19:39] <lamont> well, yeah, does it then scream about things that are older than older things?
[19:39] <lamont> \o/
[19:39] <lamont> sounds like a dovecot bug
[19:39] <lamont> :-p
[19:39] <ivoks> well, it's a feature
[19:39] <lamont> and yeah, we should depend on ntp
[19:39] <lamont> rather, dovecot could solve the bug by depending on ntp
[19:40] <ivoks> it writes 'Time shifted backward, I'm going to kill my self now'
[19:40] <ivoks> and dies
[19:40] <ivoks> http://wiki.dovecot.org/TimeMovedBackwards
[19:42] <lamont> yeah - the package clearly depends on ntp (since we can't encode "ntp || !ntpdate" in Depends)
[19:42] <giovani> what do you mean dovecot should depend on ntp? how does dovecot control the ubuntu package?
[19:42] <ivoks> we are talking about dovecot-postfix package
[19:43] <giovani> ohh, I see
[19:43] <ivoks> or dovecot-common package
[19:43] <ivoks> whatever, the point is that package depends on another pacage
[19:43] <ivoks> ntp-server
[19:43] <lamont> ivoks: well.. if the dovecot package is FAIL on a machine with ntpdate and not ntp, then it depends as above...  but yeah, fixing it in dovecot-postfix is prolly less politically turbulent
[19:44] <lamont> ntp-server only (currently) exists in dapper
[19:44] <lamont> ntp is the true name
[19:44] <ivoks> well, ntp
[19:44] <lamont> :-D
[19:45] <lamont> wow.  and it's completely gone from debian
[19:45] <lamont> which is to say that dapper is older than oldstable.  how very, um, painfully strange
[19:46] <ivoks> hehe
[19:46]  * lamont goes to ponder the weirdness inherent in that for a while
[19:47] <ivoks> is that a first supported distribution with packages older than debian oldstable?
[19:47] <ivoks> :)
[19:48] <ivoks> i still have one 6.06 server
[19:51] <ivoks> cjwatson: would it be impossible to change task in ubuntu-server now? if yes, then i won't even bother chasing that goal :/
[19:51] <vexic> has anyone here used talk or talkd before?
[19:53] <MTecknology> great - no pidgin account will connectright now..
[19:54] <MTecknology> how is it that not a single account is connecting....
[20:03] <MTecknology> ok... I installed my certificate for apache and it worked fine, but courier/postfix aren't working right and I think it's because I need an intermediate bundle for them too. How do I set the intermediate crt file for them?
[20:08] <lamont> ivoks: I expect he's holiday today, prolly monday too
[20:08] <lamont> ivoks: but -release might be able to answer that
[20:08] <ivoks> right
[20:09] <lamont> you ask, I'll chime in...
[20:12] <ivoks> wrong approach or nobody is in there :)
[20:51] <tubuntu> Hello is there someone that can help me with a problem conecting an xp pc to my ubuntu server?
[21:15] <MTecknology> GR! I can't figure out how to make courier or smtp use an intermediate crt bundle
[21:19] <MTecknology> cemc: ok - so when I create a .pem with the intermediate bundle, does it matter what order I put things in?
[21:20] <acicula> did you whip perl into submission yet?
[21:21] <MTecknology> nope - more worried about certs atm
[21:21] <MTecknology> I have apache working fine with it - but that's it
[21:22] <acicula> i'm not much help with that, all my server does is forward some local mail
[21:24] <MTecknology> great - apparently I can't sent through my smtp
[21:29] <MTecknology> hrm - smtp is throwing an authentication error too
[21:29] <MTecknology> this is very very very annoying
[21:30] <MTecknology> Apr 10 15:29:32 vindico postfix/smtpd[22433]: warning: SASL authentication problem: unable to open Berkeley db /etc/sasldb2: No such file or directory
[21:31] <giovani> well pastebin your SASL config
[21:34] <MTecknology> giovani: I don't recall doing any configuration to sasl
[21:34] <giovani> heh
[21:34] <giovani> well it wouldn't do SASL unless you configured it to do so
[21:34] <giovani> paste your main.cf then
[21:34] <giovani> in a pastebin
[21:36] <MTecknology> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/148580/
[21:37] <MTecknology> master.cf - http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/148581/
[21:37] <giovani> permit_sasl_authenticated
[21:37] <giovani> why do you have SO many smtpd_recipient_restrictions?
[21:37] <giovani> jesus ... there are dozens
[21:38] <giovani> and there are duplicated lines
[21:38] <giovani> fix that
[21:38] <MTecknology> duplicate lines explained by a very late night :P - 5am
[21:39] <giovani> uh, ok?
[21:39] <giovani> well clearly you're including sasl there
[21:39] <giovani> why, I'm not sure
[21:39] <giovani> did you just paste those lines from a howto?
[21:40] <MTecknology> a couple of them
[21:40] <giovani> sigh
[21:40] <giovani> that's never a good idea
[21:41] <MTecknology> I was in a rush to redo my mail server
[21:41] <MTecknology> I was using zimbra prior
[21:41] <giovani> yep, understood -- but this just creates problems that now have to be sorted out
[21:41] <giovani> postfix is a 10 minute config normally
[21:41] <PhotoJim> yeah, postfix is a pretty easy mta to configure.
[21:43] <MTecknology> sasl all gone
[21:44] <MTecknology> now it's saying authentication not enabled
[21:46] <MTecknology> giovani: so should I purge and try it again?
[21:46] <MTecknology> I do want to keep using mysql for authentication - but that's the only part i'm very concerned about - that and security
[21:59] <MTecknology> giovani: so i wiped the config clean
[22:02] <MTecknology> giovani: can you please help me get this working right :)
[22:05] <cjwatson> MTecknology: regarding your query yesterday, we'll support ext4 defrag only once the relevant code is actually integrated into e2fsprogs upstream
[22:05] <cjwatson> MTecknology: we have a little too much respect for our users' data to ship something that's still just floating around as miscellaneous patches :)
[22:07] <MTecknology> cjwatson: ya - I was mostly curious if anyone knew if there was an estimated time for it - I didn't realize it was that unstable
[22:12] <giovani> MTecknology: it's not "unstable" it's just not heavily tested
[22:12] <MTecknology> oh
[22:14] <cjwatson> I have no information on its stability; I just know that shipping code that edits ext* filesystems and isn't yet part of e2fsprogs is optimistic
[22:14] <cjwatson> I don't know anything about estimated times - that's a matter for Ted Ts'o et al, I think
[22:18] <MTecknology> -_- I want postfix/courier working so I can get homework done... grr
[22:19] <giovani> courier ... eww
[22:19] <giovani> dovecot's nice :)
[22:20] <MTecknology> postfix is what I care about right now
[22:20] <giovani> except that you care about courier, it seems
[22:20] <MTecknology> hm?
 -_- I want postfix/courier working so I can get homework done... grr
[22:21] <mynous> i have a server with 2 hard drives. the second hdd seems to be completely formatted as swap. is there anyway to change this without reinstalling?
[22:21] <MTecknology> ya - but right now I have no way to receive email
[22:21] <giovani> mynous: sure, how would you like to have it configured?
[22:22] <MTecknology> I wiped stuff clean for postfix, added the mysql stuff back, and now it's now working
[22:23] <mynous> giovani: well id like to just use it as i guess the equivalent of one big hard drive
[22:23] <giovani> mynous: I don't know what you mean by that
[22:23] <giovani> it has to be mounted somewhere on your filesystem
[22:24] <giovani> how about you run `sudo fdisk -l` and then paste the output of that in http://www.pastebin.ca/
[22:24] <mynous> yes, is it possible to have /home write to it if /dev/sda1 /home gets full?
[22:24] <giovani> mynous: no
[22:24] <mynous> figured
[22:24] <giovani> that's what RAID or LVM is for
[22:24] <mynous> thats raid and not setup
[22:24] <mynous> yeah
[22:26] <mynous> giovani : this is what fdisk -l returns http://www.pastebin.ca/1388351
[22:26] <giovani> mynous: ok ... well your problem description was incorrect
[22:26] <mynous> is it that the second is just not formatted?
[22:27] <giovani> that's what it says right there, yes
[22:27] <mynous> does it not contain the /swap?
[22:27] <giovani> no, it doesn't
[22:27] <mynous> hmm
[22:27] <giovani> you can see that your swap partition is on your first drive
[22:27] <giovani> #
[22:27] <giovani> /dev/sda1   *         524       38913   308367675   83  Linux
[22:27] <giovani> #
[22:27] <giovani> /dev/sda2               1         523     4200997   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[22:27] <giovani> damn pastebin ... with its #s
[22:28] <mynous> well now i think i feel dumb
[22:28] <giovani> your first drive has a / partition (I presume), and a swap partition
[22:28] <giovani> it's a basic, and standard setup
[22:28] <mynous> yeah
[22:28] <giovani> you're welcome to partition your second drive and use it for something
[22:28] <mynous> i was mistaking /dev/sda1 for sdB1
[22:28] <mynous> or 2 rather
[22:43] <MTecknology> great - now it seems like postfix isn't logging anything for me
[22:44] <LonelyGirl545454> Hello.  Bull if your out there i was talking with you last night.  Hit me up.
[22:45] <MTecknology> this is almost making me consider going back to 8.04 and putting zimbra back on
[22:48] <LonelyGirl545454> whys that MT?
[22:49] <MTecknology> LonelyGirl545454: fighting to make everything work is driving me insane
[22:49] <LonelyGirl545454> =/ Ack.  I no the pain.
[22:59] <MTecknology> #postfix isn't any help either
[23:20] <cemc> MTecknology: /var/log/mail.* ?
[23:23] <MTecknology> cemc: I was looking there and nothing was shoing up
[23:24] <cemc> MTecknology: is syslog running? ps ax |grep syslog
[23:25] <cemc> is postfix running? like netstat -nlp |grep postfix
[23:26] <MTecknology> ya, it's running
[23:26] <MTecknology> log is too