blizzzare there issues with printing in jaunty?01:25
daskreechSuch as?01:39
daskreechkb9vqf: Torrents working again btw03:09
daskreechHaven't checked how many people are downloading though03:10
daskreechWEll "working"03:10
daskreechNightrose: are there 2.1 beta jackalope debs ?03:34
metelliusrepost from #kde-devel, since I think I might have more luck here:03:52
metelliusim still trying hard to build my kdebase-runtime, but phonon not finding some includes ruins the build. could someone (preferably a ubuntu user) post their cmakecache.txt for kdebase-runtime so I can see where my cmake installation went wrong?03:52
metelliusmaybe even if someone could point me towards kubuntu ppa build logs/files so I can look at them03:53
ScottKmetellius: Are you trying to build from source or build a debian package?03:54
metelliusits a trunk build03:54
ScottKmetellius: What architecture (I'll get you the build log)?03:57
ScottKmetellius: Here's the i386 build log for the most recent Jaunty upload: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-runtime/4:4.2.2-0ubuntu1/+build/926508/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-i386.kdebase-runtime_4:4.2.2-0ubuntu1_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz03:59
daskreechScottK: do you know if Amarok 2.1 beta packages are being worked on or is freeze taking the priority ?04:01
ScottKdaskreech: I don't know of anyone working on them, but I've been mostly offline this week.04:07
metelliusScottK: thanks a lot, that revealed what I believe to be the problem here.04:08
ScottKmetellius: You're welcome.04:09
kb9vqfdaskreech: thanks for the torrent update; I've actually had quite a few leechers, but no one is bothering to seed :-(04:10
kb9vqfdaskreech: other than you, of course04:11
daskreechkb9vqf: 3 people have agreed to seed04:14
daskreechwhich package has the systray plasmoid ?04:20
metelliusI found the problem confusing my build04:52
metelliuswhat is the deal with lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2008-12-04 17:16 /usr/include/qt4/phonon -> ../phonon/04:52
metelliusis that a debian/ubuntu symlink?04:53
metelliusFindPhonon.cmake will see that, and assume that KDE-phonon stuff is also in /usr/include/qt4/KDE, while it is actually in /usr/include/KDE04:53
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kishoreIs there a PPA or amarok 2.1 in jaunty?06:49
Mamarokkishore: patience?07:29
MamarokEaster Holiday?07:29
jussi01Mamarok: easter holiday... meh :P07:31
kishoreMamarok: :)07:35
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apacheloggerMamarok: sounds like an excuse :P09:35
apacheloggerjefferai: any progress on taglib-extras building?09:35
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I like how much the amarok tarball saves with lzma :D09:39
Mamarokapachelogger: I know :)09:44
* apachelogger kicked off a testbuild09:52
=== Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan
* jussi01 waves to Quintasan10:06
Quintasanhmm I will try compiling amarok 2.110:07
Mamarokyou mean, packaging?10:09
Quintasanoh, right10:10
Quintasanno way10:13
QuintasanI guess I will wait for someone to do it :/10:13
apacheloggerQuintasan: Build started 8 minutes ag10:30
Mamarokapachelogger: great :)10:31
apacheloggerQuintasan: you could do the backport though10:31
apacheloggerultimately you would get taglib-extras backported first though ;-)10:31
apacheloggerit is the small things that make me wanna cry10:57
apacheloggerapprently no-one packaged qtscriptgenerator10:58
SputMamarok: there is no easter holiday today :P10:59
MamarokSput: yeah, but people are away anyway, since yesterday till Tuesday, like every year11:06
jussi01yay, another firefox crash...11:13
jussi01can anyone reproduce? go to http://brandal.mybrute.com/ type a name, click validate....11:14
apacheloggerJontheEchidna, Riddell: kpk associates with rpm and offers to install them ... I really think we should remove rpm from the desktop file11:15
jussi01apachelogger: hehe, really?11:16
tsimpsonjussi01: no crash, but I lost :(11:18
jussi01tsimpson: grrr...11:18
jussi01I click validate and firefox dies...11:18
tsimpsonI have FF 3.0.8+nobinonly-0ubuntu3 and flash
apacheloggerqtscriptgenerator got the most awkward build structure11:19
jussi01hrm... I should check my flash... think it m ight be the 64bit from adobes site...11:19
jussi01jussi@galaxy:~$ apt-cache policy firefox11:20
jussi01  Installed: 3.0.8+nobinonly-0ubuntu311:20
jussi01likely flah's fault then11:20
tsimpsonisn't adobe's 64bit flash still in testing?11:20
jussi01yeah, probaby...11:22
jussi01ok, seems a problem with the 64bit plugin... just deleted it and installed the one from the repos which works...11:35
Mamarokjussi01: just got a link to that: http://clintbrothers.blogspot.com/2008/11/64bit-flash-on-ubuntu.html11:38
Mamarokseems to work for him11:38
Mamarokhm, that blog is form November...11:39
jussi01Mamarok: yeah, flashplugin was working fine for youtube and the like, just that one site kept crshing11:41
jussi01oh, and while I have people, can anyone else not sign into msn with kopete atm?11:46
jussi01it kind of signs in, ie. signs me out of the oter client, bu then nothing happens...11:46
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apacheloggerhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpingKubuntu needs update and structure and pictures ....รถ14:14
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apacheloggerQuintasan: please make your stuff on revu match the new requirements (especially karmic instead of jaunty in debian/changelog) ... unless you target 9.04 of course :P14:31
* apachelogger is wondering whom to poke14:36
apacheloggerjussi01: *poke*14:37
* jussi01 prods apachelogger14:41
apacheloggerah right14:41
apacheloggerjussi01: I suppose you want to do some fancy work?14:41
apacheloggerleading to praise from ScottK and virtual cookies from me14:41
jussi01apachelogger: that depends...14:44
jussi01what is it?14:44
apacheloggera bit of poking people and a bit of being creative14:45
jussi01yes... so what is it?14:45
apacheloggerhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org shows ubuntu page rather than kubuntu page14:45
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apacheloggerhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu got loads of useless links in the navigation ... which either should be filled with content or be removed14:46
apacheloggerhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpingKubuntu could be a resource for the former14:46
apacheloggeralthough it is seriously out of date and looks like crap14:47
jussi01apachelogger: hrm... Ill have a look at it when I get back from the store, but maybe I can do something...14:47
apacheloggerah, the image on the "join us in #kubuntu..." notice underneat the navigation is broken for years14:47
apacheloggerjussi01: that and the first issue I mentioned just need to be filed as request tickets at the sysadmin's14:48
apacheloggerand maybe some additional poking to get it done quicker ;-)14:48
jussi01apachelogger: Im just headed out... too many bottles and not enough food in my house... so Ill have a look when I get back14:49
jussi01see you soon14:49
apacheloggeraye aye14:49
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=== thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak
jefferaiapachelogger: erm, no...I'll look at it right now16:27
neversfeldeis there an english kubuntu based quassel user guide somewhere?16:57
ScottKclaydoh had a good blog post that would server.16:59
neversfeldefound it, I added Quassel to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat. Maybe we should use claydohs post to get a general guide to join #kubuntu and #kubuntu-devel. I can't see how to use these links on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu, they should be deleted.17:05
neversfeldemhh, wiki is down17:06
* Mamarok despairs about some users in the ML :(17:07
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=== m4v_ is now known as m4v
neversfeldeoh no, wiki.kubuntu.org is unusable slow, they should really use MediaWiki :)17:22
dtchenis pulseaudio now installed by default in Kubuntu?17:48
dtcheni don't have a current daily-live to check17:48
dtchenif so, that presents some interesting regressions that need to be fixed ASAP17:49
ScottKdtchen: It's not, but the lib gets pulled in due to some depends issues.17:51
jefferaiapachelogger: r95236918:13
Quintasanapachelogger: will do, but after I get back from church :/18:49
* Quintasan hates going to church18:49
dtchenScottK: an increasing number of kubuntu users are reporting problems against pulseaudio, which means me wonder what's actually causing pulseaudio to be installed18:59
ScottKdtchen: Dunno.  AFAIK just the lib gets pulled in on install.  Of course if they have both ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop, that would do it.19:00
dtchenright, integration mess :(19:01
daskreechrdepends the lib ?19:02
dtchendaskreech: yes, it comes from phonon.19:06
daskreechQt phonon ?19:06
dtchenthe messy bit is how to work around it for a particular session19:07
daskreechright Qt is integrating with Gtk stuff so they would need pulseaudio19:08
daskreechpulseaudio is a near requirement for Gnome now isn't it?19:08
ScottKIt is for Ubuntu19:08
dtchenScottK: if you're heading to UDS, we should schedule some time to work out these backend kinks19:10
dtchen^ Riddell19:10
=== maco_ is now known as maco
_Groo_hi JontheEchidna21:51
_Groo_hi/2 all21:51
* jefferai looks forward to apachelogger's scriptgenerator package :-)21:51
_Groo_jefferai: i did the scripgenerator package also, for amarok 2.1, but im having trouble pleasing my ppa. so i didnt publish amarok 2.1 so far21:52
jefferaiah, ok21:52
* jefferai looks forward to that then21:52
_Groo_jefferai: apachelogger is the guy to do it anyway, since it involves adding stuff the to qt path, which is a system package..21:53
_Groo_jefferai: thats why i didnt publish it yet.. im scared it might break some qt stuff21:54
_Groo_didnt for me but...21:54
_Groo_JontheEchidna: are you alive?21:55
_Groo_hi JontheEchidna22:07
_Groo_remember the flash webkitpart bug i talked about the other day? cant you do a tinny little test?22:07
mcasJontheEchidna: what about the meeting next week?22:09
_Groo_JontheEchidna: go the the konki settingd and change the plguin load to on demand, then go to any flash site and change to webkit.. when the load button appear, click on it.. flash should work fine then. if you change the settings to on the fly plugins, it will load behind the white layer as usual22:09
JontheEchidnamcas: nevermind about my email. We should schedule the meeting based on the most popular vote22:10
mcasJontheEchidna: ok because we have a clear vote for tuesday22:10
mcasis this ok for the encryption issues?22:11
JontheEchidnaWe decided that it wouldn't be worth it to update the svn snapshot, since it's just as broken there22:12
JontheEchidna_Groo_: it works!22:12
JontheEchidnaoh, forgot to switch to webkit22:13
_Groo_JontheEchidna: i already added the workaroung to my bug report in bugs.kde, lets see if the webkitpart devs have anythng to say22:13
neversfeldeI remember a doodle vote for the meeting?22:13
_Groo_JontheEchidna: it will work :)22:13
mcasneversfelde: yes but there was a request on the mailing-list22:14
* neversfelde looks22:14
JontheEchidna_Groo_: start plugin is greyed out in webkit mode22:14
_Groo_JontheEchidna: strange, it works for me.. webkit + start plugin..22:15
_Groo_JontheEchidna: but im using svn code from today anyway22:15
JontheEchidnayeah, maybe that's it22:15
_Groo_JontheEchidna: thanks for the test.. lets wait for proper answers from teh devs22:16
_Groo_JontheEchidna: maybe it would be a good idea to update the webkitpart package in jaunty to latest dev?22:26
jjessequestion:  i am not getting notified of any updates available for jaunty until i run apt-get update22:38
jjesseonce i ran apt-get update i was notified by software updates that i had 186 updates22:38
neversfeldejjesse: automatic infos of updates work for me, at least till this morning22:47
jjesseneversfelde: i only get updates if i run apt-get update first22:47
jjesserunning jaunty amd64 if it mtters22:48
_Groo_JontheEchidna: jon just did packages for rekonq 0.0.4 and arora 0.6... interested?22:53
JontheEchidnathe thing about updating packages right now is that it's a serious pain to have them be uploaded, even for bugfix releases22:54
JontheEchidnasince we are in final freeze22:54
_Groo_JontheEchidna: even for universe?22:54
JontheEchidnayeah, aside from the Feature Freeze exception we'd probably need for webkitkde, we'd also need a MOTU-council person to OK it22:55
_Groo_JontheEchidna: maybe you ould send me an email with proper paths to uploading packages since i dont have that much time to go through the bureocracy22:55
_Groo_so i can contribute more after the feature freeze22:56
JontheEchidnauploading where?22:56
* JontheEchidna is a bit confused22:56
_Groo_i have ready and tested packages for k3b 2.0 beta1 that should be out soon22:56
_Groo_JontheEchidna: uploading to the proper kubuntu queue for review and acceptance?22:56
JontheEchidnaoh, that's the part that needs the beaurocracy :P22:57
_Groo_JontheEchidna: exactly.. what i mean is.. can i use you as a proxy?22:57
_Groo_JontheEchidna: at least in the inicial process. after a while some motu might ask, hey who is this groo that keeps apearing in the maintainer package control ;)22:58
JontheEchidnato be honest, I have a somewhat sizable todo list of bugs to fix in the core KDE packages :(22:59
JontheEchidnaI mean, I don't like saying no, but under the circumstances...22:59
_Groo_JontheEchidna: can you point any poor soul, err i mean volunteer that could proxy for me?23:00
JontheEchidnasmarter has an interest in both webkitkde (he's the one that generally looks after it) and has expressed interest in seeing arora 0.6 in 9.0423:01
JontheEchidnayou could try asking him & giving him free cake next time you see him ;-)23:01
_Groo_JontheEchidna: i dont mean webkit poackages for jaunty but uploading packages in general, it can wait after jaunty is launched23:01
JontheEchidnaoh, new packages?23:02
_Groo_im a prolific package builder :P but since i have real work i can only dump them in the weekends23:02
neversfeldeJontheEchidna: just wrote this interview, you remember?23:02
JontheEchidnaneversfelde: I was beginning to wonder :P23:02
_Groo_like amarok 2.2 svn packages, new and newer arora, rekonq, webkitpart, k3b, k9copy, just to name a few23:03
neversfeldehehe, sorry, little time23:03
JontheEchidnaneversfelde: ya, I understand :)23:03
neversfeldeI will send it tomorrow, ok?23:03
JontheEchidnasure thing23:03
neversfeldesehr gut :)23:03
JontheEchidna_Groo_: ok, I've been a bit confused. lemme try to explain the current situation23:04
JontheEchidnaNew packages will have to be uploaded to revu for reviewing, which can be done any time during the cycle. (but can only be uploaded to ubuntu when it's open for development)23:05
JontheEchidnaUpdates for packages usually are uploaded to bug reports on launchpad for sponsorship23:05
JontheEchidnaupdates at this point in time would either need to: a) go through the beaurocracy for inclusion in jaunty23:06
JontheEchidnab) wait until Karmic is open for development next month for uploading23:06
_Groo_JontheEchidna: ok but i dont have the time to hunt the specifics down, so what i was sugesting is, send my packages to you or someone else, and you redirect them to the proper slots.. at least i can get the hang of the specific bureocratics23:07
JontheEchidnanew packages will have to wait for karmic regardless23:07
_Groo_and by sendind to you, i was talking after karmic starts accepting23:07
JontheEchidnaafter karmic starts there isn't beaurocracy for packaging updates23:08
JontheEchidnanew packages by you will have to be uploaded to revu by you23:08
JontheEchidnathere's no way around that bit23:08
_Groo_what is the url then?23:08
JontheEchidnaHere's a good link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU23:09
JontheEchidnathere's a little bit of signing up to do before-hand, but after that it's as simple as dputing it to revu23:10
macousing dimap w/ kmail to access gmail, anyone notice it sits there at "retrieving folder namespace" forever and then once you click "abort" it goes on fine? this is just since whatever update made dimap's syncing really fast23:10
_Groo_ok, checking23:11
maconew packager?23:11
JontheEchidnasomewhat, he's done quite a bit of work for getdeb23:12
JontheEchidnajust new to the ways of the Ubuntu ;-)23:12
_Groo_JontheEchidna: ahh easy :) gonna check this tomorrow :)23:12
macogetdeb was quite useful til i learned to package23:12
_Groo_maco: it will change to the repo way soon.23:13
_Groo_getdeb i mean23:13
maco(useful to me, i mean...for others still useful. for me, i just pbuild whatever i want anyway)23:13
_Groo_we are still studying the specifics23:13
macoive never set up a deb repo before, just rpm *shrug*23:13
_Groo_maco: true, but thats the idea.. first you consume, then you argue, finally you contribute23:13
_Groo_i mean .. hmm.. dammit.. whats the word23:14
macowhat, you mean the flamewars on development mailing lists?23:14
macooh ok23:14
_Groo_in the sense of learning but not quitte23:15
_Groo_when you start being curious about how packaging works23:15
_Groo_consume, dig, contribute23:16
macomost people dont get past "consume" ;)23:16
_Groo_maco: but the ones like ourselfs who do pass beyond the blue pill want to give back after a time..23:17
_Groo_well gotta go now, see ya JontheEchidnaim gonna go through the proper revu procedures, thanks again23:22
maco_Groo_: i get the impression there are people who want to but think they need to code23:22
_Groo_maco: maybe a better understanding of what is packaging might help..23:22
macothey dont realize that MOTU = developers = packagers23:23
_Groo_maco: you need at least bash scripting, but its not as hard as , say, learning qt/c++ , its feasible to the average power user23:24
maconot all packages even need maintainer scripts though23:24
_Groo_see ya all later... seeya maco23:25
_Groo_maco: true.. with cdbs our life got easier23:25
neversfeldeJontheEchidna: questions send. Thank you :)23:29
sebasmaco: there's actually an update hanging23:30
macosebas: what do you mean?23:30
sebasDue to some socket timeout, cancelling it will indeed cancel that mailjack and procede to the next pending one23:30
sebasHappens after suspend for example, or if the network had problems23:31
sebasI think it's fixed in the latest kmail though, at least it didn't bother me lately23:32
sebaspff, s/mailjack/mailcheck btw :)23:32
macodtchen says if you're right, it's te same issue i had in evolution23:32
macohe thought it was a libc issue23:32
macook he says i remember wrong23:33
sebasNot sure where the bug's exactly23:33
macoi thought he said something about libc when evo was having socket issues on resume that made me have to quit evolution and restart it, but he says he didnt say that23:33
sebasAh, in kmail just cancelling the mail check is enough23:34
macoyeah evolution's not that smart23:34
sebasYou mean "Evolution is not intelligent design"? ;)23:35
sebasgotta put the girl back to bed, woke up by a thunderstorm that went over23:35

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