[01:25] <blizzz> are there issues with printing in jaunty?
[01:39] <daskreech> Such as?
[03:09] <daskreech> kb9vqf: Torrents working again btw
[03:10] <daskreech> Haven't checked how many people are downloading though
[03:10] <daskreech> WEll "working"
[03:34] <daskreech> Nightrose: are there 2.1 beta jackalope debs ?
[03:52] <metellius> repost from #kde-devel, since I think I might have more luck here:
[03:52] <metellius> im still trying hard to build my kdebase-runtime, but phonon not finding some includes ruins the build. could someone (preferably a ubuntu user) post their cmakecache.txt for kdebase-runtime so I can see where my cmake installation went wrong?
[03:53] <metellius> maybe even if someone could point me towards kubuntu ppa build logs/files so I can look at them
[03:54] <ScottK> metellius: Are you trying to build from source or build a debian package?
[03:54] <metellius> its a trunk build
[03:57] <ScottK> metellius: What architecture (I'll get you the build log)?
[03:57] <metellius> i386
[03:59] <ScottK> metellius: Here's the i386 build log for the most recent Jaunty upload: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-runtime/4:4.2.2-0ubuntu1/+build/926508/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-i386.kdebase-runtime_4:4.2.2-0ubuntu1_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz
[04:01] <daskreech> ScottK: do you know if Amarok 2.1 beta packages are being worked on or is freeze taking the priority ?
[04:07] <ScottK> daskreech: I don't know of anyone working on them, but I've been mostly offline this week.
[04:08] <daskreech> ok
[04:08] <metellius> ScottK: thanks a lot, that revealed what I believe to be the problem here.
[04:09] <ScottK> metellius: You're welcome.
[04:10] <kb9vqf> daskreech: thanks for the torrent update; I've actually had quite a few leechers, but no one is bothering to seed :-(
[04:11] <kb9vqf> daskreech: other than you, of course
[04:14] <daskreech> kb9vqf: 3 people have agreed to seed
[04:20] <daskreech> which package has the systray plasmoid ?
[04:52] <metellius> I found the problem confusing my build
[04:52] <metellius> what is the deal with lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2008-12-04 17:16 /usr/include/qt4/phonon -> ../phonon/
[04:53] <metellius> is that a debian/ubuntu symlink?
[04:53] <metellius> FindPhonon.cmake will see that, and assume that KDE-phonon stuff is also in /usr/include/qt4/KDE, while it is actually in /usr/include/KDE
[06:49] <kishore> Is there a PPA or amarok 2.1 in jaunty?
[07:29] <Mamarok> kishore: patience?
[07:29] <Mamarok> Easter Holiday?
[07:31] <jussi01> Mamarok: easter holiday... meh :P
[07:35] <kishore> Mamarok: :)
[09:35] <apachelogger> Mamarok: sounds like an excuse :P
[09:35] <apachelogger> jefferai: any progress on taglib-extras building?
[09:39] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I like how much the amarok tarball saves with lzma :D
[09:44] <Mamarok> apachelogger: I know :)
[09:52]  * apachelogger kicked off a testbuild
[09:58] <Quintasan> hi
[10:06]  * jussi01 waves to Quintasan
[10:07] <Quintasan> hmm I will try compiling amarok 2.1
[10:09] <Mamarok> you mean, packaging?
[10:10] <Quintasan> oh, right
[10:10] <Quintasan> packaging
[10:13] <Quintasan> no way
[10:13] <Quintasan> I guess I will wait for someone to do it :/
[10:16] <Mamarok> taglib-extras?
[10:30] <apachelogger> Quintasan: Build started 8 minutes ag
[10:30] <apachelogger> +o
[10:31] <Mamarok> apachelogger: great :)
[10:31] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you could do the backport though
[10:31] <apachelogger> ultimately you would get taglib-extras backported first though ;-)
[10:57] <apachelogger> it is the small things that make me wanna cry
[10:58] <apachelogger> apprently no-one packaged qtscriptgenerator
[10:59] <Sput> Mamarok: there is no easter holiday today :P
[11:06] <Mamarok> Sput: yeah, but people are away anyway, since yesterday till Tuesday, like every year
[11:13] <jussi01> yay, another firefox crash...
[11:14] <jussi01> can anyone reproduce? go to http://brandal.mybrute.com/ type a name, click validate....
[11:15] <apachelogger> wah
[11:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, Riddell: kpk associates with rpm and offers to install them ... I really think we should remove rpm from the desktop file
[11:16] <jussi01> apachelogger: hehe, really?
[11:18] <tsimpson> jussi01: no crash, but I lost :(
[11:18] <jussi01> tsimpson: grrr...
[11:18] <jussi01> I click validate and firefox dies...
[11:19] <tsimpson> I have FF 3.0.8+nobinonly-0ubuntu3 and flash 10.0.22.87ubuntu2
[11:19] <apachelogger> ewwww
[11:19] <apachelogger> qtscriptgenerator got the most awkward build structure
[11:19] <jussi01> hrm... I should check my flash... think it m ight be the 64bit from adobes site...
[11:20] <jussi01> jussi@galaxy:~$ apt-cache policy firefox
[11:20] <jussi01> firefox:
[11:20] <jussi01>   Installed: 3.0.8+nobinonly-0ubuntu3
[11:20] <jussi01> likely flah's fault then
[11:20] <tsimpson> isn't adobe's 64bit flash still in testing?
[11:22] <jussi01> yeah, probaby...
[11:22] <jussi01> http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html
[11:35] <jussi01> ok, seems a problem with the 64bit plugin... just deleted it and installed the one from the repos which works...
[11:38] <Mamarok> jussi01: just got a link to that: http://clintbrothers.blogspot.com/2008/11/64bit-flash-on-ubuntu.html
[11:38] <Mamarok> seems to work for him
[11:39] <Mamarok> hm, that blog is form November...
[11:41] <jussi01> Mamarok: yeah, flashplugin was working fine for youtube and the like, just that one site kept crshing
[11:46] <jussi01> oh, and while I have people, can anyone else not sign into msn with kopete atm?
[11:46] <jussi01> it kind of signs in, ie. signs me out of the oter client, bu then nothing happens...
[14:14] <apachelogger> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpingKubuntu needs update and structure and pictures ....ö
[14:31] <apachelogger> Quintasan: please make your stuff on revu match the new requirements (especially karmic instead of jaunty in debian/changelog) ... unless you target 9.04 of course :P
[14:36]  * apachelogger is wondering whom to poke
[14:37] <apachelogger> jussi01: *poke*
[14:41]  * jussi01 prods apachelogger
[14:41] <apachelogger> hum
[14:41] <apachelogger> ah right
[14:41] <apachelogger> jussi01: I suppose you want to do some fancy work?
[14:41] <apachelogger> leading to praise from ScottK and virtual cookies from me
[14:44] <jussi01> apachelogger: that depends...
[14:44] <jussi01> what is it?
[14:45] <apachelogger> a bit of poking people and a bit of being creative
[14:45] <jussi01> yes... so what is it?
[14:45] <jussi01> :D
[14:45] <apachelogger> https://wiki.kubuntu.org shows ubuntu page rather than kubuntu page
[14:46] <apachelogger> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu got loads of useless links in the navigation ... which either should be filled with content or be removed
[14:46] <apachelogger> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpingKubuntu could be a resource for the former
[14:47] <apachelogger> although it is seriously out of date and looks like crap
[14:47] <jussi01> apachelogger: hrm... Ill have a look at it when I get back from the store, but maybe I can do something...
[14:47] <apachelogger> ah, the image on the "join us in #kubuntu..." notice underneat the navigation is broken for years
[14:48] <apachelogger> jussi01: that and the first issue I mentioned just need to be filed as request tickets at the sysadmin's
[14:48] <apachelogger> and maybe some additional poking to get it done quicker ;-)
[14:48] <jussi01> right
[14:49] <jussi01> apachelogger: Im just headed out... too many bottles and not enough food in my house... so Ill have a look when I get back
[14:49] <jussi01> see you soon
[14:49] <apachelogger> aye aye
[16:27] <jefferai> apachelogger: erm, no...I'll look at it right now
[16:57] <neversfelde> is there an english kubuntu based quassel user guide somewhere?
[16:59] <ScottK> claydoh had a good blog post that would server.
[17:00] <ScottK> server/serve
[17:05] <neversfelde> found it, I added Quassel to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat. Maybe we should use claydohs post to get a general guide to join #kubuntu and #kubuntu-devel. I can't see how to use these links on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu, they should be deleted.
[17:06] <neversfelde> mhh, wiki is down
[17:07]  * Mamarok despairs about some users in the ML :(
[17:22] <neversfelde> oh no, wiki.kubuntu.org is unusable slow, they should really use MediaWiki :)
[17:48] <dtchen> is pulseaudio now installed by default in Kubuntu?
[17:48] <dtchen> i don't have a current daily-live to check
[17:49] <dtchen> if so, that presents some interesting regressions that need to be fixed ASAP
[17:51] <ScottK> dtchen: It's not, but the lib gets pulled in due to some depends issues.
[18:13] <jefferai> apachelogger: r952369
[18:49] <Quintasan> apachelogger: will do, but after I get back from church :/
[18:49]  * Quintasan hates going to church
[18:51] <daskreech> why?
[18:59] <dtchen> ScottK: an increasing number of kubuntu users are reporting problems against pulseaudio, which means me wonder what's actually causing pulseaudio to be installed
[19:00] <ScottK> dtchen: Dunno.  AFAIK just the lib gets pulled in on install.  Of course if they have both ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop, that would do it.
[19:01] <dtchen> right, integration mess :(
[19:02] <ScottK> Yep
[19:02] <daskreech> rdepends the lib ?
[19:06] <dtchen> daskreech: yes, it comes from phonon.
[19:06] <daskreech> Qt phonon ?
[19:07] <dtchen> the messy bit is how to work around it for a particular session
[19:08] <daskreech> right Qt is integrating with Gtk stuff so they would need pulseaudio
[19:08] <daskreech> pulseaudio is a near requirement for Gnome now isn't it?
[19:08] <ScottK> It is for Ubuntu
[19:10] <dtchen> ScottK: if you're heading to UDS, we should schedule some time to work out these backend kinks
[19:10] <dtchen> ^ Riddell
[21:51] <_Groo_> hi JontheEchidna
[21:51] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[21:51]  * jefferai looks forward to apachelogger's scriptgenerator package :-)
[21:52] <_Groo_> jefferai: i did the scripgenerator package also, for amarok 2.1, but im having trouble pleasing my ppa. so i didnt publish amarok 2.1 so far
[21:52] <jefferai> ah, ok
[21:52]  * jefferai looks forward to that then
[21:52] <jefferai> :-)
[21:53] <_Groo_> jefferai: apachelogger is the guy to do it anyway, since it involves adding stuff the to qt path, which is a system package..
[21:54] <_Groo_> jefferai: thats why i didnt publish it yet.. im scared it might break some qt stuff
[21:54] <_Groo_> didnt for me but...
[21:55] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: are you alive?
[22:06] <JontheEchidna> hi
[22:07] <_Groo_> hi JontheEchidna
[22:07] <_Groo_> remember the flash webkitpart bug i talked about the other day? cant you do a tinny little test?
[22:08] <JontheEchidna> sure
[22:09] <mcas> JontheEchidna: what about the meeting next week?
[22:09] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: go the the konki settingd and change the plguin load to on demand, then go to any flash site and change to webkit.. when the load button appear, click on it.. flash should work fine then. if you change the settings to on the fly plugins, it will load behind the white layer as usual
[22:10] <JontheEchidna> mcas: nevermind about my email. We should schedule the meeting based on the most popular vote
[22:10] <mcas> JontheEchidna: ok because we have a clear vote for tuesday
[22:11] <mcas> is this ok for the encryption issues?
[22:12] <JontheEchidna> We decided that it wouldn't be worth it to update the svn snapshot, since it's just as broken there
[22:12] <JontheEchidna> _Groo_: it works!
[22:13] <JontheEchidna> oh, forgot to switch to webkit
[22:13] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: i already added the workaroung to my bug report in bugs.kde, lets see if the webkitpart devs have anythng to say
[22:13] <neversfelde> I remember a doodle vote for the meeting?
[22:13] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: it will work :)
[22:14] <mcas> neversfelde: yes but there was a request on the mailing-list
[22:14]  * neversfelde looks
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> _Groo_: start plugin is greyed out in webkit mode
[22:15] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: strange, it works for me.. webkit + start plugin..
[22:15] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: but im using svn code from today anyway
[22:15] <JontheEchidna> yeah, maybe that's it
[22:16] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: thanks for the test.. lets wait for proper answers from teh devs
[22:26] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: maybe it would be a good idea to update the webkitpart package in jaunty to latest dev?
[22:38] <jjesse> question:  i am not getting notified of any updates available for jaunty until i run apt-get update
[22:38] <jjesse> once i ran apt-get update i was notified by software updates that i had 186 updates
[22:47] <neversfelde> jjesse: automatic infos of updates work for me, at least till this morning
[22:47] <jjesse> neversfelde: i only get updates if i run apt-get update first
[22:48] <jjesse> running jaunty amd64 if it mtters
[22:53] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: jon just did packages for rekonq 0.0.4 and arora 0.6... interested?
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> the thing about updating packages right now is that it's a serious pain to have them be uploaded, even for bugfix releases
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> since we are in final freeze
[22:54] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: even for universe?
[22:55] <JontheEchidna> yeah, aside from the Feature Freeze exception we'd probably need for webkitkde, we'd also need a MOTU-council person to OK it
[22:55] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: maybe you ould send me an email with proper paths to uploading packages since i dont have that much time to go through the bureocracy
[22:56] <_Groo_> so i can contribute more after the feature freeze
[22:56] <JontheEchidna> uploading where?
[22:56]  * JontheEchidna is a bit confused
[22:56] <_Groo_> i have ready and tested packages for k3b 2.0 beta1 that should be out soon
[22:56] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: uploading to the proper kubuntu queue for review and acceptance?
[22:57] <JontheEchidna> oh, that's the part that needs the beaurocracy :P
[22:57] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: exactly.. what i mean is.. can i use you as a proxy?
[22:58] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: at least in the inicial process. after a while some motu might ask, hey who is this groo that keeps apearing in the maintainer package control ;)
[22:58] <JontheEchidna> lol
[22:59] <JontheEchidna> to be honest, I have a somewhat sizable todo list of bugs to fix in the core KDE packages :(
[22:59] <JontheEchidna> I mean, I don't like saying no, but under the circumstances...
[23:00] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: can you point any poor soul, err i mean volunteer that could proxy for me?
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> smarter has an interest in both webkitkde (he's the one that generally looks after it) and has expressed interest in seeing arora 0.6 in 9.04
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> you could try asking him & giving him free cake next time you see him ;-)
[23:01] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: i dont mean webkit poackages for jaunty but uploading packages in general, it can wait after jaunty is launched
[23:02] <JontheEchidna> oh, new packages?
[23:02] <_Groo_> im a prolific package builder :P but since i have real work i can only dump them in the weekends
[23:02] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: just wrote this interview, you remember?
[23:02] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: I was beginning to wonder :P
[23:03] <_Groo_> like amarok 2.2 svn packages, new and newer arora, rekonq, webkitpart, k3b, k9copy, just to name a few
[23:03] <neversfelde> hehe, sorry, little time
[23:03] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: ya, I understand :)
[23:03] <neversfelde> I will send it tomorrow, ok?
[23:03] <JontheEchidna> sure thing
[23:03] <neversfelde> sehr gut :)
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> _Groo_: ok, I've been a bit confused. lemme try to explain the current situation
[23:05] <JontheEchidna> New packages will have to be uploaded to revu for reviewing, which can be done any time during the cycle. (but can only be uploaded to ubuntu when it's open for development)
[23:05] <JontheEchidna> Updates for packages usually are uploaded to bug reports on launchpad for sponsorship
[23:06] <JontheEchidna> updates at this point in time would either need to: a) go through the beaurocracy for inclusion in jaunty
[23:06] <JontheEchidna> or
[23:06] <JontheEchidna> b) wait until Karmic is open for development next month for uploading
[23:07] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: ok but i dont have the time to hunt the specifics down, so what i was sugesting is, send my packages to you or someone else, and you redirect them to the proper slots.. at least i can get the hang of the specific bureocratics
[23:07] <JontheEchidna> new packages will have to wait for karmic regardless
[23:07] <_Groo_> and by sendind to you, i was talking after karmic starts accepting
[23:08] <JontheEchidna> after karmic starts there isn't beaurocracy for packaging updates
[23:08] <JontheEchidna> new packages by you will have to be uploaded to revu by you
[23:08] <JontheEchidna> there's no way around that bit
[23:08] <_Groo_> what is the url then?
[23:09] <JontheEchidna> Here's a good link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[23:10] <JontheEchidna> there's a little bit of signing up to do before-hand, but after that it's as simple as dputing it to revu
[23:10] <maco> using dimap w/ kmail to access gmail, anyone notice it sits there at "retrieving folder namespace" forever and then once you click "abort" it goes on fine? this is just since whatever update made dimap's syncing really fast
[23:11] <_Groo_> ok, checking
[23:11] <maco> new packager?
[23:12] <JontheEchidna> somewhat, he's done quite a bit of work for getdeb
[23:12] <maco> oooooo
[23:12] <JontheEchidna> just new to the ways of the Ubuntu ;-)
[23:12] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: ahh easy :) gonna check this tomorrow :)
[23:12] <maco> getdeb was quite useful til i learned to package
[23:13] <_Groo_> maco: it will change to the repo way soon.
[23:13] <_Groo_> getdeb i mean
[23:13] <maco> (useful to me, i mean...for others still useful. for me, i just pbuild whatever i want anyway)
[23:13] <_Groo_> we are still studying the specifics
[23:13] <maco> ive never set up a deb repo before, just rpm *shrug*
[23:13] <_Groo_> maco: true, but thats the idea.. first you consume, then you argue, finally you contribute
[23:14] <maco> argue?
[23:14] <_Groo_> i mean .. hmm.. dammit.. whats the word
[23:14] <_Groo_> investigate,
[23:14] <maco> what, you mean the flamewars on development mailing lists?
[23:14] <_Groo_> hmm
[23:14] <maco> oh ok
[23:14] <maco> learn?
[23:15] <_Groo_> in the sense of learning but not quitte
[23:15] <_Groo_> when you start being curious about how packaging works
[23:15] <_Groo_> digging!
[23:16] <_Groo_> consume, dig, contribute
[23:16] <maco> most people dont get past "consume" ;)
[23:17] <_Groo_> maco: but the ones like ourselfs who do pass beyond the blue pill want to give back after a time..
[23:22] <_Groo_> well gotta go now, see ya JontheEchidnaim gonna go through the proper revu procedures, thanks again
[23:22] <maco> _Groo_: i get the impression there are people who want to but think they need to code
[23:22] <_Groo_> maco: maybe a better understanding of what is packaging might help..
[23:23] <maco> they dont realize that MOTU = developers = packagers
[23:24] <_Groo_> maco: you need at least bash scripting, but its not as hard as , say, learning qt/c++ , its feasible to the average power user
[23:24] <maco> not all packages even need maintainer scripts though
[23:25] <_Groo_> see ya all later... seeya maco
[23:25] <maco> bye
[23:25] <_Groo_> maco: true.. with cdbs our life got easier
[23:29] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: questions send. Thank you :)
[23:30] <sebas> maco: there's actually an update hanging
[23:30] <maco> sebas: what do you mean?
[23:30] <sebas> Due to some socket timeout, cancelling it will indeed cancel that mailjack and procede to the next pending one
[23:31] <sebas> Happens after suspend for example, or if the network had problems
[23:32] <sebas> I think it's fixed in the latest kmail though, at least it didn't bother me lately
[23:32] <sebas> pff, s/mailjack/mailcheck btw :)
[23:32] <maco> dtchen says if you're right, it's te same issue i had in evolution
[23:32] <maco> he thought it was a libc issue
[23:33] <maco> ok he says i remember wrong
[23:33] <sebas> Not sure where the bug's exactly
[23:33] <maco> i thought he said something about libc when evo was having socket issues on resume that made me have to quit evolution and restart it, but he says he didnt say that
[23:34] <sebas> Ah, in kmail just cancelling the mail check is enough
[23:34] <maco> yeah evolution's not that smart
[23:35] <sebas> You mean "Evolution is not intelligent design"? ;)
[23:35] <sebas> gotta put the girl back to bed, woke up by a thunderstorm that went over