[00:00] <nicoInattendu> Ok , I undestand now .
[00:00] <savvas> and the person asking the merge is notified that it was merged
[00:00] <savvas> I guess merging sometimes can't be simple :)
[00:03] <nicoInattendu> Thanks for the help. I try the merge to find a way to corretcly organiseand schedile  my code dev.
[00:03] <wgrant> There are solutions like tarmac that look at the merge proposals and automatically merge branches.
[00:03] <wgrant> But most projects that use Launchpad merge proposals just use them for tracking.
[00:03] <wgrant> (at this point, at least)
[00:07] <nicoInattendu> I gi to take a look on tarmac
[00:13] <nicoInattendu> F..., I do a mistake :'(. It is possible to revert a push ? After my merge on trunk I do a push , wihtout paramters :-(, and the result orf merge was pushed in the dev branch instead of trunk. And I see no more my commits on dev branch.
[00:14] <wgrant> nicoInattendu: You can just push an old copy of the branch (you might need to use push --overwrite).
[00:14] <savvas> I think you can bzr uncommit
[00:15] <savvas> but I've never tried that
[00:15] <wgrant> You can, but that might not be what's wanted here.
[00:19] <nicoInattendu> wgrant : thanks for the push --overwrite , It put my branch just as I wan't. I promise, to never, never do a push or pull without paramters. It's evil :)
[00:20] <savvas> I do bzr push :P
[00:21] <savvas> use --remember to remember the last address you've sent it to
[00:21] <wgrant> nicoInattendu: If dev had diverged from trunk, the original push would have failed, so in most cases you can't do bad things like that.
[00:22] <nicoInattendu> Ok
[00:24] <mthaddon> nicoInattendu: bzr info will tell you what bzr push and pull locations are defined if you're unsure
[00:26] <nicoInattendu> Thanks ans how I can update the bzr info ?
[00:26] <wgrant> bzr push --remember someurl
[00:26] <wgrant> --remember causes it to update the stored push location.
[00:27] <savvas> hm I wonder if it's possible to use bzr add on files inside .bzr/
[00:27] <Snova> No.
[00:36] <nicoInattendu> When more question on merge ;-) When I merge by dev branch in main . The status of branch is merged. To continue the dev. I have to use naother branch ?
[00:39] <wgrant> nicoInattendu: You could reset the state of the branch. But I think it's a good idea to have short-lived branches - that is, branch aggressively, separately for each feature. But it's really your project's decision.
[00:41] <nicoInattendu> wgrant : I like the concept of short-livec branch. It can esaily identify a set of job
[05:47] <duanedesign> the ubuntu forums beginners team has a project called Best of Ubuntu Community Forums Tutorials. We would like to assign a new owner to the project. The current assigned owner has been mia for 8 mo.
[05:48] <duanedesign> is their a protocol for abandoned projects?
[06:40] <wgrant> duanedesign: Ask at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[08:24] <savvas> how are the ppas named now?
[08:25] <savvas> I mean is it still of this format: http://ppa.launchpad.net/username/ppa/ubuntu ?
[08:25] <savvas> and how is the second PPA named?
[08:50] <wgrant> savvas: All PPAs have a name now - the default is 'ppa'. Additional PPAs can be named whatever you want, and that name replaces the 'ppa' in the URLs.
[08:52] <wgrant> See http://ppa.launchpad.net/wgrant/, for example.
[08:52] <wgrant> (the 'ubuntu' there is a historical relic - the other two are my real PPAs)
[08:52] <savvas> ah I know
[08:52] <savvas> I have a script that changes ubuntu to 'ppa/ubuntu' that's why I'm asking :)
[08:53] <wgrant> Ah. Yes, that's right.
[08:53] <savvas> the name ppa will stick the same though right?
[08:53] <wgrant> Although the old path might be permanent now - I don't remember.
[08:53] <wgrant> Yes.
[08:53] <wgrant> The default PPA is always named 'ppa'.
[08:53] <savvas> Cool!
[08:53] <savvas> let me check if there are any problems though :p
[09:22] <savvas> ..and fixed!
[16:13] <Polk`> is landscape free?
[16:18] <beuno> Polk`, no, it's a service
[16:18] <Polk`> ok.. what can I use that is free?
[16:19] <Polk`> beuno,
[16:20] <beuno> Polk`, use for what?
[16:21] <Polk`> For landscape lkie softwear..
[16:21] <beuno> Polk`, not that I know of, sorry
[16:45] <cjb_ie> so, i'm getting random X crashes - i started apport as suggested by http://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Backtracing but after a crash apport-cli reports "No pending crash reports." - any idea what i might be doing wrong?
[16:46] <cjb_ie> (or if i should ask elsewhere?)
[22:15] <kwah> hi
[22:15] <kwah> adiroiban, have a minute?
[22:16] <adiroiban> hi
[22:16] <adiroiban> yes
[22:17] <kwah> I am curious
[22:17] <kwah> do you have direct access somehow to po's out of rosetta?
[22:17] <adiroiban> no
[22:17] <adiroiban> why?
[22:18] <kwah> hm... how then your validation process organized?
[22:18] <kwah> based on the contents you showed me other day?
[22:19] <kwah> some big archive stored in LP librarian?
[22:19] <adiroiban> there are language packs
[22:20] <kwah> I am curious, because its a kinda strange... To get latest translations from the rosetta I know only one way: export them document by document
[22:20] <adiroiban> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+language-packs
[22:20] <adiroiban> there you can find all .po files included in language packs
[22:21] <adiroiban> for ubuntu-docs, as a member of Ubuntu Translation Coordinators, I can request an download containing all .po files from ubuntu-docs
[22:22] <adiroiban> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TranslatingUbuntu/Resources?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=ubuntu-docs-links.txt
[22:22] <adiroiban> I'm trying to update the links from there... from time to time
[22:22] <adiroiban> :)
[22:22] <kwah> aha... so, there are simpler ways.
[22:22] <kwah> but they are not really documented
[22:23] <kwah> and how this language-packs are created?
[22:23] <adiroiban> I don't know :)
[22:24] <kwah> damn
[22:24] <kwah> :)
[22:24] <adiroiban> why do you care?
[22:24] <adiroiban> they are there
[22:24] <adiroiban> updated weekly
[22:25] <adiroiban> you can use them for various tasks
[22:25] <kwah> I want to have access to the latest translations at the moment, especially, when we are in the final stage of release process, when translations are open and changing fast
[22:25] <kwah> And automated way it is... Which does not exist now.
[22:27] <kwah> Rosetta is OK, but has its problems/drawbakcs: it is difficult for translators to check the whole document, which is necessary for the style
[22:27] <kwah> and consistency of presentation
[22:27] <Milosz> guys, uploaded sources don't immediately show up right?
[22:27] <Milosz> That is, it's no indication of an error right?
[22:27] <adiroiban> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-langpack/+archive/ppa
[22:28] <Milosz> hmm Launchpad PPA reception server did not find my account?
[22:29] <Milosz> Rejected: / Could not find person 'deadchip' / Further error processing not possible because of a critical previous error.
[22:29] <kwah> adiroiban, these are for staible releases only
[22:29] <Milosz> ah
[22:29] <adiroiban> yep
[22:31] <adiroiban> kwah: what tool make it easy for a translator to check consistentcy and other general stuff?
[22:31] <adiroiban> makes
[22:31] <kwah> having the whole document at hands
[22:32] <kwah> which is with current toolchain is most of the time very difficult for tham
[22:32] <kwah> them
[22:33] <adiroiban> what document?
[22:33] <adiroiban> are you talking about ubuntu-docs?
[22:33] <adiroiban> or general po files?
[22:33] <kwah> thats why we wanted to organize daily updates on the development version of something like help.ubuntu.com for proof-reading
[22:33] <kwah> docs
[22:34] <adiroiban> I think we should be able to do that for karmic
[22:34] <adiroiban> by enabling "branch translations" in Launchpad
[22:34] <adiroiban> needs to check mdke and others
[22:34] <Milosz> btw is this the right help channel for PPAs?
[22:35] <Milosz> I was sent here from #ubuntu-devel
[22:35] <kwah> is it really going to help?
[22:35] <Milosz> I mean whether it is right at all
[22:36] <adiroiban> Milosz: here should be
[22:36] <kwah> Milosz, yep, I think so
[22:36] <adiroiban> but it's saturday night
[22:36] <kwah> no admins around
[22:37] <Milosz> ok not a problem, I wasn't nagging just wondering if it's right
[22:37] <kwah> adiroiban, I mean are there blueprints, braindumps or smth similar somewhere on that topic ?
[22:37] <adiroiban> what topic?
[22:37] <adiroiban> :D
[22:44] <LarstiQ> Milosz: if you have a question, it's better to ask so someone might be able to help you further
[22:44] <LarstiQ> ah, you did
[22:44] <Milosz> Yes it was my error
[22:44] <Milosz> I wasn't aware the ppa dir name is derived from the email
[22:46] <LarstiQ> Milosz: how do you mean?
[22:46] <RachedTN> Hello, I have sent a request to activate a Miling List for my team : https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tn-drafting
[22:46] <RachedTN> could anyone activate please, thanks :)
[22:47] <Milosz> LarstiQ, my LP login name is 'deadchip' but my PPA dir is apparently ~internalerror/ppa/ubuntu
[22:47] <Milosz> which is part of my email
[22:47] <Milosz> internalerror@gmail.com
[22:47] <LarstiQ> Milosz: hmmm
[22:47] <LarstiQ> Milosz: https://launchpad.net/~deadchip doesn't seem to exist?
[22:47] <Milosz> LarstiQ, different, more important question
[22:48] <LarstiQ> hi gmb
[22:48] <Milosz> LarstiQ, doesn't matter, I have a bigger problem (sorry to cut you off but I'd just like to get the sources uploaded)
[22:48] <Milosz> LarstiQ, what does this mean: Signer has no upload rights at all to this distribution.
[22:48] <Milosz> I'm not trying to upload to official Jaunty or something
[22:48] <LarstiQ> Milosz: pretty much what it says. The account connected to the key which the packages were uploaded with doesn't have upload rights for the ppa.
[22:49] <Milosz> it's impossible
[22:49] <Milosz> because I've just dput'd 2 other archives with exactly the same dput.cf
[22:49] <Milosz> and they were accepted
[22:49] <LarstiQ> well, is there a difference between the last dput and these two?
[22:50] <LarstiQ> RachedTN: I believe LP people will get to that on Monday
[22:51] <RachedTN> LarstiQ: mm, Ok :)
[22:51] <Milosz> here's the last line on an answers.lp.net thread on it:
[22:51] <savvas> Milosz: which command did you use?
[22:51] <RachedTN> thanks for your answer :)
[22:51] <Milosz> err the last reply in a thread
[22:51] <Milosz> "Odd. I didn't change anything but it was accepted. Oh well."
[22:52] <Milosz> savvas, dput <my_source.changes-file>
[22:52] <savvas> Milosz: I mean are you sure you haven't used "dput file.dsc" ? the correct one is "dput username file.dsc" (provided you have set up your dput.cf)
[22:52] <Milosz> as I did with the other 2 archives which were accepted without a problem
[22:52] <Milosz> savvas, I used the right command I thin because would it not otherwise have not been uploaded at all?
[22:52] <Milosz> I think*
[22:52] <Milosz> yes of course dput.cf is configured, sorrz
[22:53] <Milosz> sorry*
[22:53] <savvas> can you paste the contents of .dput.cf at a pastebin?
[22:53] <LarstiQ> Milosz: does the reject mail mention both the PPA and the user it thinks tried to upload?
[22:53] <savvas> Milosz: actually wait
[22:54] <Milosz> here's the text of the email:
[22:54] <Milosz> http://rafb.net/p/ljHMuw38.html
[22:54] <hyperair> LarstiQ: the last person in debian/changelog, and the PPA.
[22:54] <Milosz> savvas, http://rafb.net/p/xak4kG17.html
[22:55] <savvas> did you use dput myppa file.changes ?
[22:55] <LarstiQ> hyperair: provided that's the key owner
[22:55] <Milosz> savvas, ah
[22:55] <Milosz> maybe i forgot to type the myppa part
[22:55] <Milosz> that must be it
[22:55] <savvas> Milosz: without myppa you send it to ubuntu archives I think :)
[22:56] <Milosz> savvas, yeah you were right :)
[22:56] <Milosz> because
[22:56] <Milosz> i found a file 'youki_0.03-1_source.ubuntu.upload'
[22:56] <LarstiQ> Milosz: yeah, it parses the changelog without a ppa argument
[22:56] <Milosz> so that was that, thanks!
[22:56] <savvas> hehe np
[22:56] <savvas> happened to me a couple of times :P
[22:57] <LarstiQ> Milosz: I have:
[22:57] <LarstiQ> [DEFAULT]
[22:57] <LarstiQ> default_host_main = notspecified
[22:57] <Milosz> ok but you upload to ubuntu
[22:57] <LarstiQ> Milosz: in .dput.cf, exactly to prevent accidentally uploading to Debian (in my case)
[22:57] <Milosz> ah
[22:57] <Milosz> well ok but that is not related to PPAs
[22:58] <LarstiQ> Milosz: it is, the rest in there is for the bzr ppas
[22:58] <Milosz> ah it was about the default
[22:58] <Milosz> ok I get it now
[22:58] <LarstiQ> Milosz: but dput defaulting to something you don't want is common across all default usage
[22:58] <Milosz> to prevent uploading to ubuntu in my case
[22:58]  * LarstiQ nods
[22:58] <Milosz> sorry
[22:58] <LarstiQ> Milosz: np :)
[22:58] <Milosz> sorry got it :)
[22:59] <SamB> hmm, how come https://bugs.launchpad.net/dosemu/+filebug doesn't have a usable link to the upstream bug tracker ?
[23:00] <LarstiQ> SamB: good point
[23:00] <Milosz> btw small question
[23:00] <Milosz> is there a better section for a desktop audio player than 'sound'?
[23:00] <Milosz> if anyone knows that is
[23:01] <Milosz> ok I guess this is basic 1-0-1 I should go read
[23:01] <LarstiQ> Milosz: nafaik
[23:01] <Milosz> ok
[23:02] <SamB> the link on https://bugs.launchpad.net/dosemu isn't that useful either ... it just goes to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers/sf
[23:18] <SamB> ... isn't there a bug somewhere about how launchpad should support mirroring SVN branches using bzr-svn ?
[23:21] <jpds> SamB: Seen launchpad.net/~vcs-imports ?
[23:23] <LarstiQ> SamB: I think so
[23:25] <LarstiQ> SamB: can't find it atm though
[23:26] <SamB> jpds: yeah, but that's so one-way
[23:26] <LarstiQ> SamB: hmm, I recall something about new vcs imports being done with bzr-svn?
[23:27] <SamB> LarstiQ: I think there was some talk about that -- did anything come of it?
[23:28] <LarstiQ> SamB: no clue, I'd need to grep irc logs or ask an LP dev
[23:35] <SamB> well, it's bug 359791 now
[23:49] <Milosz> I need a LaunchPad at home
[23:49] <Milosz> To get up in the morning :D