[00:00] <Daisuke-Ido> correct me if i'm wrong.
[00:00] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[00:00] <hil> thats the way it should be ;)
[00:00] <nemo> Daisuke-Ido: so why did 8.04 get pulseaudio? :D
[00:00] <chrisccoulson> Daisuke-Ido - that is wrong
[00:00] <chrisccoulson> that's just a myth
[00:00] <nemo> granted, 7.10 broke ALSA for me
[00:00] <nemo> about two thirds of the way through
[00:01] <bruce89> 8.04 got gvfs also
[00:01] <chrisccoulson> every release should be stable. LTS != more stable. LTS= Long Term Support, which means that it is supported for longer
[00:01] <bruce89> new technology, but with few problems
[00:01] <chrisccoulson> it doesn't mean that it's more stable
[00:01] <bruce89> LTS is rather pointless I think, unless you're a business
[00:01] <chrisccoulson> gvfs in hardy was unfortunate
[00:02] <bruce89> outwith their control of course
[00:02] <crdlb> bruce89: err, you want to upgrade every computer every 6 months?
[00:02] <Daisuke-Ido> chrisccoulson: alrighty then.  you can't say it doesn't make sense though :)
[00:02] <crdlb> I don't
[00:02] <chrisccoulson> gnome migrated to gvfs and the options were to ship an old gnome or live with gvfs
[00:02] <bruce89> crdlb: I only have the 2, so it's not problem
[00:02] <crdlb> so it's pointless for _you_ :)
[00:02] <bruce89> crdlb: same thing!
[00:03] <chrisccoulson> i want to upgrade my machine more frequently than every 6 months;)
[00:03] <crdlb> I have two computers that stay on LTS, one here, and one in another state :)
[00:04] <chrisccoulson> i used dapper for quite a long time actually. anyone here still use that?
[00:04] <crdlb> both of the aforementioned computers did dapper -> hardy a while ago
[00:04] <bruce89> I'm going to leave the big computer on Intrepid
[00:04] <chrisccoulson> intrepid was a dog on my machine
[00:05] <chrisccoulson> we'll all be upgrading to karmic in 2 weeks or so;)
[00:06] <crdlb> I think I'll wait for the toolchain
[00:06] <chrisccoulson> i think i'll just wait for the repo's to open;)
[00:07] <BUGabundo> crdlb: I upgrade mine EVERY 4h
[00:08]  * BUGabundo will wait for toolchain too
[00:08] <bruce89> what's wrong with gnome-keyring-daemon?
[00:08] <BUGabundo> so we will see all of us again in here in a month!
[00:08] <BUGabundo> glad I'll see known faces
[00:08] <BUGabundo> bruce89: its dead, shot dead, and hanged
[00:09] <BUGabundo> and someone forgot to tell it, about that
[00:09] <bruce89> officially?
[00:11] <BUGabundo> there are at least 3 bugs on it
[00:11] <BUGabundo> one of them on gwibber
[00:11] <bruce89> ah
[00:14] <bruce89> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwibber/+bug/344426/
[00:17] <BUGabundo> bruce89: bah it just died on me
[00:17] <BUGabundo> needed to restart it manually
[00:17] <BUGabundo> $ gnome-keyring-daemon start
[00:17] <bruce89> I had to start the daemon in foreground mode
[00:20] <BUGabundo> does it help?
[00:23] <bruce89> well, it makes it work
[00:30] <bjsnider> what's gwibber?
[00:31] <bruce89> microbogging clien
[00:32] <bjsnider> whatis microbogging?
[00:33] <Halow> I think he meant microblogging. Like twitter.
[00:33] <hil> .oO(ɹɐɥɹɐɥ)
[00:33] <bruce89> The Register refer to it as microbogging for some reason
[00:34] <Halow> Because twitter becomes like a bog, possibly. ;P
[00:34] <bjsnider> well theregister shouldbebeaten up
[00:34] <BUGabundo> I rather use Identica... its FOSS
[00:34] <bruce89> bjsnider: how so?
[00:34] <BUGabundo> it more like µblogging
[00:34] <BUGabundo> guys let go to #ubuntu-offtopic on this, ok ?
[00:34]  * bruce89 dents also
[00:35] <bjsnider> bruce89, they led you astray about what it's called, apparently for their own sadistic pleasure
[00:36] <BUGabundo> bruce89: identica nick?
[00:36] <bruce89> BUGabundo: guess
[00:36] <BUGabundo> LOL
[00:37] <BUGabundo> bruce89 I got one more follower
[00:40] <crashsystems> Greetings BUGabundo. Last few hundred lines from my syslog: http://is.gd/rQuZ. My hardware list: http://paste.ubuntu.com/148651/
[00:40] <crashsystems> I'll brb in a min
[00:42] <BUGabundo> crashsystems: won't help. need older logs, to see if you have the Protection Fault too
[00:43] <crashsystems> back
[00:45] <crashsystems> Bugabundo, I just grepped though syslog and saw nether of those lines
[00:45] <crashsystems> anyways, how far back do you want me to go with the log dump? will the whole thing work?
[00:45] <BUGabundo> kernel.log.0 should do it
[00:45] <crashsystems> ah, ok
[00:45] <BUGabundo> see my bug, and add your logs there, if it is the same
[00:46] <BUGabundo> I see you have ext4.... so it might be another bug
[00:46] <BUGabundo> but 4 kernel panic in 24h is so bad....
[00:46] <crashsystems> indeed
[00:46] <YixilTesiphon> is there any way to downgrade the 9.04 kernel back to 2.6.28-11.40? any way, ideally, that doesn't involve reinstalling
[00:46] <crashsystems> kernel.log.0: http://paste.ubuntu.com/148656/
[00:46] <BUGabundo> I was thinking it was HW fail, until I read the logs, and now you confirming it
[00:47] <BUGabundo> YixilTesiphon: if you have it in your cache should be easy. or you can download from LP
[00:47] <YixilTesiphon> old packages can stay in a cache?
[00:47] <SJrX> I keep getting /dev/dsp device or resource busy
[00:47] <BUGabundo> of course YixilTesiphon
[00:47] <crashsystems> I had FF, Pidgin and Gwibber up, then went to eat dinner. When I got back, I could move the mouse around, but nothing was responding. I SSHed in and issued a sudo halt, but that did not work. Tried the sysrequest keys, and that did not work.
[00:47] <YixilTesiphon> BUGabundo: that is good news, as after updating 198 packages this morning my sound broke
[00:48] <YixilTesiphon> where is this cache?
[00:48] <wirechief_> crashsystems: i had to use the skinny elephant to reboot RSEIUB
[00:49] <crashsystems> skinny elephant?
[00:49] <wirechief_> yes
[00:49] <BUGabundo> crashsystems: no indication of kernel panic? like caps lock blinking?
[00:49] <crashsystems> nope
[00:49] <BUGabundo> YixilTesiphon: /var/cache/apt/archive
[00:50] <BUGabundo> you can also access it with synaptic and FORCE a version, with Ctrl+e
[00:50] <YixilTesiphon> BUGabundo: thank you
[00:50] <wirechief_> my sytem froze this morning after the du and new kernel 2.6.28-11 #40
[00:50] <crashsystems> lshal: http://paste.ubuntu.com/148659/
[00:51] <wirechief_> i used my usb live with 2.6.28-11 #37 all morning without any freeze
[00:51] <wirechief_> only thing that worked was the mouse
[00:52] <BUGabundo> lets see if leann is still up
[00:52] <wirechief_> i used launchpad to make a bug report 359051
[00:53] <crashsystems> bug #359051
[00:53] <BUGabundo> mine bug 329254
[00:53] <BUGabundo> humm or not
[00:54] <BUGabundo> bug 359231
[00:54] <crashsystems> bugabundo, let me know if there are any other log files or such that might be useful
[00:54] <crashsystems> hmm, it would be cool if bugs had IRC chatrooms
[00:55] <BUGabundo> LOL
[00:55] <BUGabundo> why?
[00:55] <wirechief_> well i guess thats what this is for.
[00:55] <wirechief_> it would be nice to have a link to bug triaging for new people who want to report better
[00:56] <crashsystems> that would be nice
[00:56] <bruce89> #ubuntu-bugs
[00:56] <BUGabundo> wirechief_: why xorg and not linux?
[00:56] <BUGabundo> wirechief_: using ubuntu-bug opens a page with what it needs extra
[00:56] <wirechief_> i dont know, looks like someone decided to put it there.
[00:56] <Barridus> hi all, anyone have any insights as to why my jaunty install autolaunches pidgin and firefox?  they're not in Startup Apps, and Remember Running Apps is unchecked
[00:56] <crashsystems> is enough known to attribute it to a specific package?
[00:57] <BUGabundo> Brian Murray
[00:57] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/359051/+activity
[00:57] <bjsnider> what version is the intel xorg driver at in jaunty?
[00:57] <wirechief_> crashsystems: it was suggested that maybe compiz was behind it.
[00:58] <crashsystems> That would make sense. Next time I see it, I'll kill compiz and replace it with metacity
[00:58] <BUGabundo> bjsnider:   Installed: 1:7.4~5ubuntu18
[00:58] <crashsystems> wirechief_, have there been any recent compiz updates?
[00:58] <dcabot> crashsystems: your bios is really old.  You're on A2 and Dell is up to A10 for that.
[00:58] <wirechief_> crashsystems: and i dont even use it.
[00:58] <BUGabundo> wirechief_: not in my case... compiz "shouldn't" freeze to kernel panic
[00:58] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, no, i don't mean xorg, i mean the intel driver
[00:58] <BUGabundo> althoug gwibber once made my laptop REBOOT
[00:59] <crashsystems> hmm, I wonder if dell has a non-xp bios update...
[00:59] <wirechief_> well i didnt see any messages to indicate a kernel panic BUGabundo  it just froze solid
[00:59] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: $ apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-intel  Candidate: 2:2.6.3-0ubuntu9
[01:00] <wirechief_> BUGabundo: however it was right after i started konversation and got to the ubuntu+1 channel that it broke
[01:00] <dcabot> Usually it has something that makes floppies.  Normally I keep a XP VM around so I can deal with stuff like that.
[01:00] <bjsnider> they're now at 2.6.99.903, so maybe if they updated jaunty's version it would fix some of the bugaboos
[01:00] <wirechief_> BUGabundo: and i used the live usbstick all morning without incident.
[01:01] <BUGabundo> I get kernel: [ 1818.576309] general protection fault: 0000 [#4] SMP
[01:02] <wirechief_> crashsystems: i am using intel945 graphics with my lenovo r61e, are you using intel graphics too ?
[01:02] <crashsystems> Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
[01:02] <wirechief_> crashsystems: might be a common thread there.
[01:03] <crashsystems> compiz has been having epic slowness in jaunty with intel cards
[01:03] <wirechief_> crashsystems:Intel Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller
[01:03] <bruce89> anything 3D has
[01:03] <BUGabundo> wirechief_: yes there is
[01:03] <BUGabundo> cwillu was tracking those for bryce
[01:03] <crashsystems> has that been fixed in 2.6.29?
[01:03] <ActionParsnip> 3d runs great here in jaunty
[01:04] <crashsystems> ActionParship, what GPU?
[01:04] <BUGabundo> there's a big big mess with EXA UXA AXX
[01:04] <BUGabundo> nvidia works fine
[01:04] <BUGabundo>  !intel965
[01:04] <bjsnider> 2.6.29 has gem updates
[01:04] <wirechief_> BUGabundo: hmm i can add my infobash to that bug it gives more detail on my system.
[01:04] <BUGabundo>  !intel945
[01:04] <crashsystems> so for non-windows users, dell wants me to boot into a dos floppy to upgrade my bios :(
[01:05] <BUGabundo> wirechief_: apport-collect BUGID
[01:05] <wirechief_> yeah, ok.
[01:05] <wirechief_> gotta reboot to do that.
[01:05] <BUGabundo> and if it doesn't, upload also your xorg.log and xorg.log.0
[01:06] <crashsystems> should I upload those files too?
[01:06] <wirechief_> put attachments to the existing 359051
[01:07] <BUGabundo> crashsystems: it may help
[01:07] <BUGabundo> crashsystems: open new bug
[01:07] <BUGabundo> its better
[01:08] <BUGabundo> $ ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg
[01:08] <BUGabundo> or linux
[01:08] <BUGabundo> if devs latter want, they can dupe it
[01:08] <crashsystems> would that be better than attaching info to another bug?
[01:08] <BUGabundo> you may how ever, mention that on your bug, that another bug is similar
[01:09] <BUGabundo> crashsystems: run ubuntu-bug... it will open a page with the required logs
[01:09] <wirechief_> yes you can cross ref my 359051
[01:09] <crashsystems> bug 359051
[01:10] <crashsystems> what would be a good title?
[01:10] <wirechief_> !paste
[01:11] <BUGabundo> crashsystems: I have no idea! crashes or freezes are always bad choices
[01:11] <crashsystems> why is that?
[01:11] <BUGabundo> wirechief_: here is why yours is xorg: (01:00:03 AM) bdmurray: drm:i915_get_vblank_counter] *ERROR* trying to get vblank count for disabled pipe 0 ?
[01:12] <wirechief_> BUGabundo: yes and i mentioned that it was probably a different issue but that was the only error i found
[01:12] <BUGabundo> possible dupe bug 341363
[01:13] <wirechief_> BUGabundo: at that time i didnt know what that error meant (until researching further)
[01:13] <weternal> hey I'm trying to get boxee or XBMC to work in ubuntu 9.10 are there any package dependancies which I might be missing
[01:14] <wirechief_> and i now find that ive been getting that for sometime on older kernels so its a red herring error
[01:14] <cwillu> wirechief_, can you paste the line you get from "lspci|grep VGA"?
[01:14] <DanaG> Odd.. I unplugged a secondary display I had plugged in... and xrandr still thinks it's present.
[01:14] <DanaG> I unplugged it while laptop was in suspend.
[01:15] <BUGabundo> weternal: there's no ubuntu 9.10.... only 9.04
[01:15] <wirechief_> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
[01:15] <BUGabundo> cwillu: hey
[01:15] <BUGabundo> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8400M G (rev a1)
[01:15] <cwillu> wirechief_, and you're seeing  I830WaitLpRing() errors?
[01:15] <cwillu> oh, drm:i915, nvm
[01:15] <YixilTesiphon> BUGabundo: I feel like a moron, but I can't figure out how to install from archive; do I have to uninstall the old kernel? that seems like a poor idea
[01:16] <cwillu> wirechief_, crashes?
[01:16] <BUGabundo> yeah not to good, YixilTesiphon
[01:16] <wirechief_> cwillu i had that error but i dont think it was the cause
[01:16] <wirechief_> i had total lockup except for my mouse
[01:16] <cwillu> on resume, or just randomly?
[01:16] <wirechief_> it happened twice
[01:16] <cwillu> on resume though?
[01:17] <wirechief_> on 2nd crash i was making settings on konversation
[01:17] <cwillu> or just while minding your own business
[01:17] <wirechief_> no
[01:17] <wirechief_> i was active
[01:17] <cwillu> compositing wm?
[01:17] <cwillu> (kwin or composite)
[01:17] <cwillu> compiz rather
[01:17] <wirechief_> then i used the live usb stick all morning without any incident
[01:17] <wirechief_> the crash occured after i did the dist-upgrade
[01:18] <wirechief_> from the original install
[01:18] <cwillu> are you using anything with compositing effects?
[01:18] <wirechief_> and i got the new kernel
[01:18] <cwillu> (i.e., anything other than plain metacity)
[01:18] <BUGabundo> cwillu: I am using compiz
[01:18] <wirechief_> i wasnt even aware that i had compiz but was told by kano that it was probably causing the issue
[01:18] <cwillu> wirechief_, you're on nvidia :p
[01:18] <cwillu> bah
[01:18] <BUGabundo> can't you help with my kernel panic too?
[01:18] <cwillu> BUGabundo, you're on nvidia
[01:18] <BUGabundo> cwillu: I know!
[01:19] <cwillu> I'm doing intel stuff :p
[01:19] <wirechief_> cwillu its intel
[01:19] <cwillu> wirechief_, yes, that nvidia comment was meant for BUGabundo :p
[01:19] <wirechief_> ok
[01:19] <cwillu> wirechief_, pastebin me your xorg.conf
[01:20] <wirechief_> ok
[01:20] <wirechief_> !paste
[01:22] <wirechief_> do you want the xorg.0.log too ?
[01:23] <wirechief_> cwillu http://paste.ubuntu.com/148671/
[01:24] <cwillu> sure
[01:25] <Pollywog> is there a way to install the remix version of KDE on an existing xubuntu Jaunty?
[01:25] <cwillu> Pollywog, 'remix'?
[01:25] <BUGabundo> Pollywog: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?
[01:26] <cwillu> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop will give you that
[01:26] <BUGabundo> I think he means FLAVOR
[01:26] <cwillu> unless you were talking about some other release
[01:26] <Pollywog> yes it is a version of Jaunty that has KDE 3.5
[01:26] <BUGabundo> don't know nothing about 3.5
[01:26] <ActionParsnip> Pollywog: ive heard the remix edits settings for certain apps and should not be installed on desktop systems
[01:26] <Pollywog> KDE4 does not run for me
[01:26] <BUGabundo> its not currently supported
[01:26] <Pollywog> oic
[01:26] <Pollywog> ty
[01:26] <BUGabundo> Pollywog: have you filed bugs on it?
[01:26] <Pollywog> Will stick with Xubuntu Jaunty then
[01:26] <BUGabundo> both on LP and upstream?
[01:27] <wirechief_> cwillu http://paste.ubuntu.com/148672/
[01:27] <Pollywog> until the final version of Jaunty is released
[01:27] <Pollywog> BUGabundo: the bugs are in xorg and have already been reported
[01:27] <Pollywog> I did check
[01:28] <BUGabundo> how come it works with xub and not kde?
[01:28] <wirechief_> cwillu maybe i should of given you xorg.0.log.old  too ;)
[01:28] <Pollywog> not sure
[01:28] <Pollywog> but Gnome starts up fine, KDE locks up
[01:29] <Pollywog> Ubuntu took me right to the bug report too
[01:29] <cwillu> wirechief_, yes
[01:29] <Pollywog> and I saw I was about to file a duplicate
[01:29] <Pollywog> is a Launchpad account needed in order to file bug reports?
[01:30] <BUGabundo> yes
[01:31] <Pollywog> that is how it appeared, but I do have one
[01:33] <wirechief_> cwillu http://paste.ubuntu.com/148676/
[01:33] <wirechief_> cwillu crap i pasted the wrong one
[01:36]  * cwillu patiently waits :p
[01:36] <BUGabundo> did mpt *really* say we are more then 20M ubuntu users ?
[01:37] <wirechief_> cwillu Xorg.0.log.old http://paste.ubuntu.com/148679/
[01:38] <calc> BUGabundo: hmm?
[01:38] <calc> BUGabundo: aiui there is rumor somewhere between 20-40M ubuntu users, not sure if we have any definite data though
[01:39] <calc> BUGabundo: where did he state 20M users?
[01:39] <calc> 20M is somewhere around 2% marketshare i think, which would be awesome for Ubuntu
[01:39] <wirechief_> cwillu Xorg.0.log      http://paste.ubuntu.com/148682/
[01:39] <BUGabundo> calc: devel-discuss ML
[01:39] <bruce89> sounds a bit high
[01:39] <calc> ok
[01:40] <BUGabundo> MSFT states LINUX is 0.8%
[01:40] <calc> bruce89: well ubuntu is preinstalled on several oem lines now
[01:40] <BUGabundo> so if they say so, at least that number we are... more, not less
[01:40] <wirechief_> cwillu sorry for the first two screw ups but now you got the right ones.
[01:40] <calc> BUGabundo: i would think MSFT has a vested interest in claiming linux numbers are lower than they really are
[01:40] <calc> BUGabundo: but true as a minimum number the MSFT numbers are useful ;-)
[01:41] <BUGabundo> actually, recently MSFT stated Apple had lower market share then Linux, 'cause "they" are the competition
[01:41] <calc> linux overall probably has more market share than apple, but that isn't saying too much, lol
[01:41] <calc> BUGabundo: they did!? that is really good news then
[01:41] <BUGabundo> the bad news is MSFT stating they have 96% netbook share
[01:41] <calc> BUGabundo: and would counter than 0.8% number because the apple market share is actually known
[01:41] <bruce89> depends if you include PVRs of course
[01:41] <calc> iirc its somewhere around 5-6%
[01:42] <bruce89> I don't care about market share anyway
[01:42] <BUGabundo> calc: I did not read that stat, it was mention to me at a dinner table
[01:42] <BUGabundo> need to check my feeds for it
[01:42] <cwillu> wirechief_, I _think_ you're seeing bug 357908.  You may or may not have luck with setting AccelMode "UXA" in your xorg.conf file.  What would be _really_ useful is if you can figure out a way to trigger the bug reliably, preferably on demand.  Even something that crashes when repeated a couple dozen times would be a tremendous help
[01:43] <YixilTesiphon> Can I just, uh, delete the old kernel and install the new one? the old one will be kept in ram?
[01:43] <YixilTesiphon> can't figure out how else to downgrade kernels
[01:43] <bjsnider> YixilTesiphon, i believe that would work
[01:43] <wirechief_> cwillu well i was almost certain that konversation brought it on but not sure now.
[01:44] <YixilTesiphon> bjsnider: great, thanks
[01:44] <BUGabundo> YixilTesiphon: yes until reboot
[01:44] <BUGabundo> VERY VERY dangerous
[01:44] <bjsnider> YixilTesiphon, your system will  be pooched if you lose power while you're doing that
[01:44] <YixilTesiphon> yeah I'll back up first in case I just have to reinstall
[01:44] <YixilTesiphon> bjsnider: laptop
[01:45] <BUGabundo> calc: http://www.osnews.com/story/21035/Ballmer_Linux_Bigger_Competitor_than_Apple/
[01:45] <wirechief_> cwillu will try and get as much as i can on this. i am going to try and ssh into the box and try to get more info.
[01:45] <bjsnider> linux is not a bigger competitor than apple
[01:45] <ActionParsnip> YixilTesiphon: its better to install the new, boot to the new to check all is well, then uninstall the old from therte
[01:45] <bjsnider> as usualy, monkey boy is lost in space
[01:45] <YixilTesiphon> ActionParsnip: nothing will let me install the new
[01:46] <YixilTesiphon> because it is in fact old
[01:46] <YixilTesiphon> but the one currently installed has a messed-up module for my sound card that I can't figure out
[01:46] <bjsnider> YixilTesiphon, what sound card?
[01:46] <ActionParsnip> YixilTesiphon: you may be able to if you tell apt to download the deb then you can use dpkg --force-all -i <deb name>
[01:46] <BUGabundo> calc: "Most certainly, Linux's larger server share puts it overall ahead of Mac OS. "
[01:47] <YixilTesiphon> bjsnider: ATI rs780 intel hda azalia
[01:47] <bjsnider> intel hda should work fine on any kernel
[01:47] <YixilTesiphon> bjsnider: it should, but it doesn't
[01:48] <YixilTesiphon> bjsnider: i get a kernel error when I do sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel
[01:49] <YixilTesiphon> FATAL: Error inserting snd_hda_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.28-11-generic/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[01:49] <bjsnider> does dtchen know about this?
[01:49] <calc> BUGabundo: those firefox numbers look low
[01:49] <calc> BUGabundo: thanks for the lin
[01:49] <calc> er link
[01:49] <YixilTesiphon> bjsnider: dtchen?
[01:49] <bjsnider> YixilTesiphon, he's the expert
[01:49] <bjsnider> wait to talk to him about it
[01:49] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: dan is very busy now!
[01:49] <bjsnider> he'll be here sooner or later
[01:50] <YixilTesiphon> what time is he usually on?
[01:50] <BUGabundo> YixilTesiphon: after 18h UTC
[01:50] <bjsnider> he's usually here ever night for awhile
[01:50] <YixilTesiphon> ok
[01:50] <calc> BUGabundo: and hopefully MS can effectively combat their piracy problem so it will raise Ubuntu market share :)
[01:50] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, he's going to want to know about this, wouldn't you agree?
[01:51] <BUGabundo> sure
[01:51] <calc> BUGabundo: since effectively combating means less users using windows not paying for it, heh :)
[01:51] <bjsnider> comparing the server market to the home pc market is ridiculous. home users don't know or care what's running servers
[01:52] <YixilTesiphon> I'm using an hp pavilion dv7, which I know has sound issues, but there's a standard fix that worked on my original 9.04 install but it no longer helps
[01:52] <bjsnider> what fix?
[01:52] <YixilTesiphon> Ubuntu's just now getting to the point where somebody like me can pick it up with any hope of success; it's improved tremendously
[01:52] <YixilTesiphon> bjsnider: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=331172
[01:53] <calc> YixilTesiphon: as long as you weren't terribly unlucky or just bought really crap hardware its been that way for 5 years now
[01:53] <calc> YixilTesiphon: i had a little trouble with my laptop 2 years ago but that was because i bought the cheapest available without checking if it worked at all under linux
[01:54] <YixilTesiphon> calc: I have a long history of buying unlucky hardware
[01:54] <calc> YixilTesiphon: the only thing that didn't work right with it was the audio codec, needed a few quirks setup
[01:54] <BUGabundo> calc: my one year laptop suffered a lot with WiFi soft kill switch
[01:54] <calc> my new laptop i bought 2 months ago works 100% without any changes
[01:54] <BUGabundo> and my webcam still needs a compiled driver
[01:54] <YixilTesiphon> yeah when I bought this machine my old computer had died that morning, and being an engineering student I had things I needed to do
[01:54] <Ienorand> That's my experience as well, as long as your hardware agrees Ubuntu is a breeze, if not... It's prrretty annoying.
[01:55] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, even with all of the new webcam drivers int he recent kernels?
[01:55] <YixilTesiphon> bought an hp, only things that have given me any troulbe were wireless (easy fix) and the sound card (was originally an easy fix)
[01:55] <BUGabundo> I usually say: Ubuntu works best on a 6 months to 2 yo equipement
[01:55] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: yes
[01:55] <BUGabundo> Nol is working hard with it, to get it upstream
[01:55] <dawson> Hi everyone
[01:55] <BUGabundo> but still not stable enough
[01:55] <calc> BUGabundo: 6 months after the chipset came out is probably about right
[01:56] <calc> BUGabundo: not necessarily 6 months old from when you buy a system though :)
[01:56] <BUGabundo> calc: yeah, correct
[01:56] <dawson> having a problem with Jaunty, for some reason it is not detecting my external usb drive until replug it
[01:56] <calc> i think linux already has support for the Intel P55 now though so it might work out better this year
[01:56] <BUGabundo> dawson: is there any thing usefull on dmesg?
[01:56] <calc> at least memtest86+ that i uploaded a few weeks ago does :)
[01:57] <dawson> let met check, lsubs shows the drive but that's about it
[01:57] <Ienorand> It'll be sweet when new computers are designed fo ubuntu compability... hope that day comes.
[01:57] <calc> of course i don't know if the intel video driver supports the new intel cpu video
[01:57] <bjsnider> dell already does that
[01:57] <calc> Ienorand: already happens with dell, hp (netbooks), and a few other vendors
[01:57] <PhotoJim> Ienorand: it works in reverse though.  machines that won't run Vista well because of driver issues will very often work fine with the latest Ubuntu.
[01:58] <YixilTesiphon> bjsnider: I'll be intermittently around all evening, but not reliably, can I send this guy an email if I have a problem he'll want to know about?
[01:58] <histo> PhotoJim: lots of machines run ubuntu out of the box better than windows. Unless you have a updated service pack install disc
[01:58] <PhotoJim> histo: valid point.
[01:58] <bjsnider> YixilTesiphon, no, submit a bug
[01:58] <YixilTesiphon> bjsnider: on launchpad?
[01:58] <calc> and you will soon see lots more systems coming preinstalled with Ubuntu, i can't reveal where/who yet
[01:58] <bjsnider> YixilTesiphon, yes
[01:59] <YixilTesiphon> bjsnider: k
[01:59] <frogonwheels_> calc: that's promising!
[01:59] <BUGabundo> YixilTesiphon: $ ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[01:59] <YixilTesiphon> how soon do those get answered? I need sound to get some things done for tuesday
[01:59] <Ienorand> bjsnider: Not properly in my opinion, they kinda take the old stuff that's been relesed with win for a year or to and switch maybe an offending piece of hw and call it a "new linux compatible thingymabob"
[01:59] <BUGabundo> calc: I've been hearing rumors all around
[01:59] <BUGabundo> looks like it several OEMs are working with canonical
[01:59] <calc> BUGabundo: yea saying any more than rumor can get people in trouble ;-)
[02:00] <calc> i like my job and want to keep it, heh
[02:00] <BUGabundo> (something many of us will be disgrantugal against Canonical, for better support for paying OEMs then Community)
[02:00] <bjsnider> Ienorand, oems always sell old stuff that's tested and guaranteed to be stable no matter which OS.
[02:00] <Ienorand> calc: Oh... sound interesting
[02:00] <BUGabundo> calc: I still remember when you were "called" by Mark on -Devel ML
[02:00] <BUGabundo> about UM, I think
[02:00] <calc> BUGabundo: most OEMs do their own work and just contract with Canonical for help when they run into stuff they can't fix on their own (aiui)
[02:01] <bjsnider> dell did contribute dkms, which is very important and helpful. that shows they're doing their jobs
[02:01] <calc> BUGabundo: heh yea, i think i was one of the first devels to complain about it, lots of others did afterwards, heh
[02:01] <YixilTesiphon> can't blame Canonical for that, whoever pays the piper picks the tune
[02:01] <BUGabundo> http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/04/10/canonical-vs-microsoft-netbook-cat-fight/
[02:01] <BUGabundo> this is just in!
[02:02] <BUGabundo> YixilTesiphon: I know, and I already discussed that in private with Mark and another user
[02:02] <calc> but generally the people who work with oems on ubuntu aren't the same people working on ubuntu with the community, so its not like they are being taken away from working on community issues (that much at least)
[02:02] <BUGabundo> but this was meant to be a Community project (see Mark's presentation at google in 2006)
[02:03] <BUGabundo> with Canonical provinding 90% of the cost, we won't get there
[02:03] <calc> canonical has a separate oem group (as you can see on the jobs page)
[02:03] <BUGabundo> Mark wished for Canonical support be at 10% and OEM 60%
[02:03] <BUGabundo> we are not EVEn close to that.... plus World Cryses
[02:03] <calc> BUGabundo: eh?
[02:04] <calc> BUGabundo: aiui mark announced a few months back that canonical is close to breaking even now
[02:04] <bjsnider> you're going to get hardware support from the oem and software support from canonical
[02:04] <BUGabundo> calc: remember mark saying in an interview, that he needed to support Ubuntu for at least 3 more years?
[02:04] <BUGabundo> when it was supposed to reduce on 2008
[02:04] <calc> yea and then later he announced it was nearly break even already
[02:05]  * calc will dig around to find the article
[02:05] <calc> BUGabundo: http://ostatic.com/blog/canonical-and-microsoft-is-sustaining-a-business-better-than-turning-a-profit-right-now
[02:06] <BUGabundo> calc: correction: Canonical is expected to get Break Even this fiscal year
[02:06] <BUGabundo> not Ubuntu
[02:07] <calc> BUGabundo: yea sorry for not clearly stating that
[02:07] <calc> BUGabundo: Ubuntu is non-profit so isn't really operating at a loss is it? :)
[02:08] <calc> the support Ubuntu for 3 years i think was more support 'Canonical' for 3 years
[02:08] <calc> since it is Canonical that is the commerical entity that is losing money and needs to break even
[02:08] <BUGabundo> humm better frasing: support 'from' Canonical
[02:08] <BUGabundo> ahahah
[02:08] <BUGabundo> its not lossing money... its investing
[02:08] <crashsystems> CC licensed movies ripped via handbrake, displayed via hdmi to a hidef wide screen tv look very nice!
[02:09] <calc> BUGabundo: however you want to spin it ;-)
[02:09]  * BUGabundo puts anti mentalcontrol hat
[02:09] <calc> you can't lose^Winvest money forever ;-)
[02:09] <BUGabundo> the all point of Ubuntu was to create a NEED for Launchpad, the inicial "money pot" of Canonical
[02:10]  * calc somehow doubts LP makes that much money
[02:10] <BUGabundo> calc: I guess it turned plans some time back
[02:10] <calc> i think most of it is through oem/support for ubuntu
[02:10] <crashsystems> calc, 30m?
[02:10] <calc> crashsystems: hmm?
[02:10] <progenitus> Hi, I cant get Jaunty to recognize my Sansa mp3 player. It is set as a mass storage device. Kubuntu or any other distro I tried detects it flawlessly.... Any idea
[02:10] <crashsystems> 30 million?
[02:10] <BUGabundo> I have this idea that Canonical expected to sell it, or provide paid support on the "best" Project Management Tool around
[02:11] <calc> crashsystems: thats the number to break even apparently
[02:11] <calc> crashsystems: or at least was back in jan
[02:11] <DanaG> heh, my laptop really does have some good construction.... even though I dropped it on a concrete floor and the screen broke... there are no sharp edges on the glass.  There seems to be an extra layer of anti-gloss on top.
[02:11] <crashsystems>  think they have done that
[02:11]  * BUGabundo puts talk on Canonical and MSFT FUD in *pause*
[02:11] <calc> crashsystems: maybe the article in jan just said they were close at that point
[02:11]  * calc stops talking about it :)
[02:12] <DanaG> I wish I could have some internal contact with HP, to report the really random things I've found on my system.
[02:12] <crashsystems> calc, I'm going going by an unofficial discussion I had with one of our friendly Canonical overlords afk.
[02:12] <DanaG> Do most laptops let you use the hotkey-display-switch key even when at the BIOS splash?
[02:12] <calc> to break even on $30m/yr would imply roughly 10m/yr of new Ubuntu systems I think taking into account the supposed $3/system cost that NYT previously has mentioned
[02:12] <calc> crashsystems: ok
[02:13] <BUGabundo> DanaG: not any of mine
[02:13] <calc> which if true would mean Ubuntu has ~ 3.3% of new system sales
[02:13] <joshua24> can someone PLEASE help me here. im running ubuntu Jaunty, all up 2 date. i installed k3b and formatted a DVD+RW with it, and now it wont show up on my desktop! it did, but after format, FAIL
[02:14] <calc> that would be just for systems presold with ubuntu, not people converting windows installs to it
[02:14] <calc> joshua24: has it worked in the past?
[02:14]  * calc doesn't have any DVD+RW so isn't sure how it is supposed to work
[02:14] <BUGabundo> calc it is supposed to work
[02:14] <joshua24> im not sure. i remember reformatting one once in hardy, and as far as i remember it mounted, but like i said IDK
[02:15] <BUGabundo> but 8 out of 10, CD/DVD RW get bad FS
[02:15] <crashsystems> afaik DVD+RW should work no differently than CD+RW
[02:15] <calc> BUGabundo: well i mean how it is supposed to as in what it does when you do insert a formatted DVD+RW :)
[02:15] <BUGabundo> joshua24: did you check the DVD before installing ?
[02:15] <calc> actually has no CD-RW either just write once media
[02:15] <YixilTesiphon> K, I reported the bug, I'm going to try to start the old kernel from grub
[02:15] <YixilTesiphon> brb
[02:15] <crashsystems> I always try to avoid RWs though
[02:15] <joshua24> hmm? it was a blank dvd
[02:17] <calc> hmm if those numbers are correct you can use distrowatch to extrapolate what linux number would be at minimum
[02:17] <joshua24> so... no luck here? i kinda figured but still
[02:17] <BUGabundo> I just use USB pendrives
[02:18] <crashsystems> joshua24, I'm not sure what your bug and/or problem is, but do you have a specific need for RW? I've always found RW to be rather buggy, and have therefore stuck with regular R.
[02:18] <Ienorand> joshua24: I could test it out if you want to, got a pile of DVD-RWs I got dead cheap :)
[02:18] <calc> hmm i think extrapolating might not work the way i think it should
[02:18] <joshua24> i have only need for RW in that i can add / remove stuff from it. lol
[02:18] <joshua24> like music
[02:18] <joshua24> other than that, not REALLY
[02:18] <Ienorand> joshua24: So k3b you said, and full or quick erase?
[02:18] <calc> joshua24: you might try asking on the forums someone else might know
[02:19] <calc> joshua24: there are a lot of forums users online all the time :)
[02:19] <joshua24> besides like getting new fedora dvd. lenorand: k3b, jaunty repos, quicky erase
[02:19]  * calc 's estimate showed up ~ 24% but doesn't think it really would be that high
[02:20]  * Ienorand is installing the whole kde fluff as well since he's on gnome...
[02:20] <joshua24> lol. i only got k3b outta that FLUFF, gnome user here to
[02:21] <slashdotfx> anyone running ltsp here?
[02:21] <joshua24> running WHAT?
[02:21] <slashdotfx> I have problem with nbd
[02:21] <BUGabundo> bug 359391
[02:21] <joshua24> no clue, so ill stay outta this one. lol
[02:22] <joshua24> !commands
[02:22] <joshua24> meh
[02:22] <joshua24> !?
[02:22]  * calc goes back to checking all ubuntu dictionaries
[02:22]  * BUGabundo Ubuntu forums had a record of 31M users at the same time??
[02:22] <wirechief_> cwillu the one thing that seemed to work was i used the live-usb all morning and most of the afternoon and did not have an incident, whereas i had two incidients one right after the other  on the installed and  dist-updated  install
[02:22] <joshua24> wow, thats one heck of a lot of users!
[02:23] <bjsnider> the database must be highly in bad shaperous
[02:23] <joshua24> yep
[02:24] <joshua24> i thought they JUST did a cleanup, for like 3 hrs! i tried to get on several a time and it was down
[02:24] <Ienorand> joshua24: Hmm, if I do a quick format the DVD appears unchanged, files are still there...
[02:24] <joshua24> wow, odd
[02:25] <Ienorand> joshua24: That isn't supposed to happen, I presume...
[02:25] <joshua24> on mine, i formatted a blank DVD-RW ( had an issue with it and brasero, thoughtthis would help ) and BOOM. no more would it mount
[02:25] <joshua24> quick format, BTW
[02:25] <cwillu> wirechief_, you'd have to verify that the livecd is running the same versions of everything.  The _most_ important thing is finding some way to reproduce it
[02:25] <cwillu> wirechief_, I can't emphasize that enoguh
[02:26] <wirechief_> cwillu right well i was thinking even of using the cached xorg from the live usb on the install but then that wouldnt prove anything
[02:26] <Ienorand> joshua24: Yea I used quick as well, I'm gonna go for full next to see what that does...
[02:26] <joshua24> k
[02:27] <wirechief_> cwillu not sure what files i would need to copy to the sda5
[02:28] <Ienorand> joshua24: Hmm, It won't even allow me to format any more "no need, you can just overwrite"...
[02:29] <joshua24> wow, thats odd
[02:32] <joshua24> well, ill have to go to the store one day and get dvd r's for when i need them. thank you for testing it tho!
[02:33] <Ienorand> And after blanking in brasero the cd drive locks up and I can't eject it... bleh.
[02:33] <joshua24> yew. that bites.
[02:34] <Ienorand> http://www.mibbit.com/pb/QrRO4Y
[02:34] <BUGabundo> Ienorand: I can't EVER use my DVD drive after suspend or hibernate :(
[02:34] <BUGabundo> not sure its hw or kernl
[02:34] <BUGabundo> didn't file a bug on that actually
[02:34]  * BUGabundo files bugs on anything that moves (in the wrong direction)
[02:34] <BUGabundo> is it just me or LP karma is acting up stupid?
[02:35]  * wirechief_ swats bugs with big stick, problem is finding the stick
[02:35] <bjsnider> how much have you got now?
[02:35] <BUGabundo> mine keeps growing at a pace that is unbelievable.
[02:35] <BUGabundo> 17k
[02:35] <BUGabundo> last week was at 10k
[02:35] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: yours?
[02:36]  * BUGabundo looks at calc karma
[02:36] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, 13k
[02:36] <Flynsarmy> I noticed ctrl+alt+backspace is turned off by default in jaunty in the 'known issues' section. Is it going to be that way in final release or just for the betas/release candidate?
[02:36]  * BUGabundo if only I know his LP nick
[02:36] <BUGabundo> Flynsarmy: dontzap
[02:36] <BUGabundo>  !dontzap
[02:36] <joshua24> flynsarmy: yes
[02:37] <Ienorand> Flynsarmy: Intended as final
[02:37] <joshua24> dontzap SHOULD be there by default
[02:37] <joshua24> it was for me
[02:37]  * frogonwheels whishes they didn't do that.
[02:38] <BUGabundo> calc has 130K
[02:38] <frogonwheels> It's just a pain when you're trying to get stubborn display issues resolved.
[02:38] <Ienorand> Supposedly alt+prntscrn+K should provide similar functionality... but it is not directly equal...
[02:38] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, it went up from nothing in a short time after i started sending stuff to the ppa
[02:38] <cwillu> frogonwheels, alt-sysrq-k will also kill whatever is on the current vterm
[02:38] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: ppa counts a lot
[02:38] <frogonwheels> cwillu: ahh! I didn't know that one.
[02:38] <bjsnider> it would seem so
[02:38] <calc> BUGabundo: seb128 has crazy karma :)
[02:38] <BUGabundo> I know
[02:38] <BUGabundo> 1M
[02:39] <BUGabundo> translations
[02:39] <frogonwheels> cwillu: does it restore video properly though?
[02:39] <calc> BUGabundo: i think i have one of the lowest karma in my group :\
[02:39]  * BUGabundo is thinking of improving some  PT strings just for karma.... not
[02:39] <bjsnider> oh, of course sebastien would
[02:39] <Ienorand> cwillu: Actually, printscreen or sysrq makes a difference in those commands, at least for me...
[02:39] <BUGabundo> calc: I think I have one of the highest for some one who doesn't touch code
[02:40] <calc> riddell has 1.2M karma
[02:40] <BUGabundo> irk
[02:40] <calc> pitti has nearly 2M
[02:40] <cwillu> Ienorand, same key on every keyboard that I've ever seen :p
[02:40] <calc> yea i need to find out what they do to have the big karma :)
[02:41] <BUGabundo> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+topcontributors
[02:41] <BUGabundo> I think those are just from source uploads
[02:41] <calc> whoa 1.7M of pitti karma is soyuz (i guess uploads)
[02:41] <BUGabundo> how is Steve Stalcup
[02:41] <Amaranth> I have like 500 karma
[02:41] <BUGabundo> ohh vorlan
[02:41] <Amaranth> I think it used to be more like 20k :/
[02:42] <BUGabundo> LOLOLOLOLOL
[02:42] <BUGabundo> Amaranth: it gets down pretty fast, based on time
[02:42] <BUGabundo> 6 months drops 35%
[02:42] <BUGabundo> 1 year drops 50%
[02:42] <Ienorand> cwillu: On my laptop one you have to use function to get to sysrq...
[02:42] <BUGabundo> I think mine are getting higher because of all the use I do with apport
[02:43] <bjsnider> i'd be more impressed with it if it was like canonical money or something
[02:43] <calc> BUGabundo: vorian not vorlan
[02:43] <Amaranth> Yeah, I don't do translations, other people upload any packages I make, etc
[02:43] <BUGabundo> eheh
[02:43] <bjsnider> if i could use it to buy stuff out of canonical's online store, if they have one
[02:43] <BUGabundo> calc: sleep and bad eye sight
[02:43] <calc> BUGabundo: iirc vorlan is slangasek on this network
[02:43] <Amaranth> bjsnider: They have one
[02:43] <calc> BUGabundo: he got his karma from translations
[02:43] <BUGabundo> ahh that's why I didn't recognise the name
[02:44] <calc> BUGabundo: no the person you are talking about is vorian... there is separate person that goes by vorlan who is steve langasek
[02:44] <calc> and on freenode goes by slangasek :)
[02:45] <BUGabundo> I know (now)
[02:45] <Ienorand> Ah, _now_ the DVD popped out...
[02:46] <calc> most of my karma is bug karma but it LP doesn't count linking upstream bugs as ubuntu bug karma
[02:47] <BUGabundo> lol
[02:47] <BUGabundo> most of mine if bug karma too
[02:47] <Amaranth> mine all was too
[02:47] <Amaranth> When I was last managing compiz bugs we had 197 total and about 86 that weren't Incomplete, Wishlist, or reported upstream
[02:48] <Amaranth> I think it's like 500 bugs now
[02:48] <calc> i got all my bugs triaged :) except for a few incomplete
[02:48] <calc> ~ 40 or so
[02:48] <Amaranth> ah, 625 compiz bugs now
[02:49] <Amaranth> and that's just compiz, there is also compiz-fusion-plugins-main and compiz-fusion-plugins-extras packages with bugs filed against them
[02:49] <BUGabundo> I got yoboy to re-check all my old bugs... around 380
[02:49] <calc> yea because compiz is really buggy ;-)
[02:50] <Mulder> hard to say where those bugs should be attributed half the time
[02:50] <BUGabundo> ooohh pitti as some nice badges
[02:50] <Mulder> could be xserver, graphics driver, libmesa, or compiz
[02:50] <calc> its kinda funny that something tiny like compiz has so many more bugs than even OOo :)
[02:50] <Amaranth> calc: How much code is in update-manager? :P
[02:50] <Amaranth> I think that still wins for most bugs
[02:50] <calc> heh
[02:50] <BUGabundo> LOLOL https://launchpad.net/~dholbach-huggers
[02:51] <Amaranth> mvo doesn't even try to keep them cleaned out, he just lets them rot and focuses on the ones that are important
[02:51] <BUGabundo> have you guys ever heard of NM ?
[02:51] <Amaranth> of course 90% of those bugs aren't bugs in update-manager
[02:51] <BUGabundo> I have 1.2k unread emails from it
[02:51] <BUGabundo> asac doesn't even look at most of it
[02:52] <BUGabundo> just high profiles ones
[02:52]  * calc looks at all OOo bugs :) even the dumb ones, lol
[02:52] <calc> of course i can focus on OOo as that is my only priority for now
[02:52] <calc> asac has to do firefox (eek) and n-m (double eek)
[02:52] <calc> and probably other stuff i am unaware of
[02:52] <BUGabundo> ok something fish is happening
[02:53] <calc> he also did a lot of the font fixup for gnome this release cycle
[02:53] <BUGabundo> I thought it was gstreamer, but even FLASH is having trouble playing at normal speed on my laptop
[02:53] <Amaranth> mvo has to do all the hard stuff
[02:53] <BUGabundo> calc: font fix? LOL it was reverted heeh
[02:53] <Amaranth> dpkg/apt/update-manager, compiz, etc
[02:53] <BUGabundo> por kubuntu ninjas
[02:54] <calc> BUGabundo: the font change was reverted for now due to too many bugs in different apps... which asac fixed many of those underlying bugs
[02:54] <BUGabundo> they are alone with all Kubuntu packages
[02:54] <calc> BUGabundo: aiui the font change will go thorugh for 9.10
[02:54] <Amaranth> OOo isn't as hard, it's just annoying to wait an hour for it to link :P
[02:54] <bjsnider> Amaranth, who's mvo?
[02:54] <BUGabundo> calc: I know! I kept finding new ones
[02:54] <calc> Amaranth: and ~ 6 hours to build ;-)
[02:54] <BUGabundo> to the point I didn't even add them to the master bug
[02:54] <calc> BUGabundo: michael vogt
[02:54] <calc> bjsnider: ^ oops
[02:54] <Amaranth> calc: You must have infinite patience
[02:55] <Amaranth> calc: Or a lot of worn out stress balls
[02:55] <BUGabundo> or use several PS3 linked
[02:55] <calc> Amaranth: i speed it up with various hacks (ccache disabling languages, etc) but even then it still takes ~ 2hr after an initial build
[02:55] <BUGabundo> Amaranth: ahahhaah
[02:55] <BUGabundo> I know KDE devs (like nuno pinheiro) link several CPUs to make KDE compile lots faster
[02:55] <Amaranth> calc: On the other hand.... http://xkcd.com/303/
[02:56] <BUGabundo> I set up a system for that, for them at Tokamak, I helped organize a few months back
[02:56] <Amaranth> calc: Gold supports C++ now doesn't it? Might be worth checking out at least for your own builds
[02:57] <Amaranth> calc: Since half your build seems to be link time
[02:57] <calc> BUGabundo: i used to maintain KDE for Debian too, just because i am so crazy ;-)
[02:57] <calc> BUGabundo: at the time pretty much all of kde by myself (really nutty i know)
[02:57] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[02:57] <BUGabundo> I bet
[02:57] <BUGabundo> suse as a 12 guys team just to maintain it
[02:57] <BUGabundo> KDE has 16 core devs LOL
[02:58] <calc> Amaranth: yea it seems a lot of the time is also spent in dpkg-shlibdeps which i am planning on investigating after i rewrite the OOo packaging
[02:58] <Amaranth> calc: Between those two that's probably 80% of your rebuild time
[02:58] <BUGabundo> calc: any PPA with OOo 3.1?
[02:58] <calc> BUGabundo: at the time i pretty much did it full time unpaid, but yea its way too much for one person to do reasonably
[02:58] <BUGabundo> I know it hit debian recently
[02:58] <calc> BUGabundo: rewriting the packaging, no packages yet
[02:59] <calc> Amaranth: yea i imagine so
[02:59] <calc> Amaranth: hmm what is gold btw? :)
[02:59] <rdw200169> hey, i'm getting the strangest problem w/jaunty beta.  Networking is strange and causes me endless timeouts, even though i get good download speeds, so i have to constantly restart connections.
[02:59] <Amaranth> calc: http://www.airs.com/blog/archives/38
[03:00] <rdw200169> i used to have this problem with hardy, but I can't for the life of me remember what i did
[03:00] <BUGabundo> rdw200169: IPv6 ?
[03:00] <Amaranth> calc: new linker written by some google guys designed just to speed up C++ builds
[03:00] <rdw200169> BUGabundo, is that a common problem?  timeouts?
[03:00] <calc> cool
[03:00] <BUGabundo> rdw200169: not that I hear about it in here
[03:00] <Amaranth> Although when first reading about it I'm sure they said it only supported C but that may have just been a step in their development
[03:00] <rdw200169> BUGabundo, i don't think so, on hardy i had ipv6 working with an ipv6 tunnel, i just haven't gotten around to it though
[03:01] <calc> Amaranth: i'll have to take a look at that when i get some spare time
[03:01] <Amaranth> calc: Oh, that blog post is worthless :P
[03:01] <Amaranth> calc: anyway, it's in binutils
[03:02] <Amaranth> "The motivation for writing gold was to make a linker that is faster than the GNU linker[3], especially for large applications coded in C++."
[03:02] <Amaranth> Sounds promising but I doubt it can handle OOo at this point
[03:02] <calc> ah hmm
[03:03] <BUGabundo> rdw200169: no idea then
[03:03] <Amaranth> I haven't seen anything written about it in some time though, it may be better
[03:03] <BUGabundo> you need to trace it to either network or OS
[03:03] <calc> Amaranth: are they aiming to replace the current linker with it since it is in binutils or still a work in progress or something else?
[03:03] <BUGabundo> rdw200169: what does mtr tell you ?
[03:03] <Amaranth> calc: I think they plan to replace the current linker
[03:04] <Amaranth> calc: http://sourceware.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/~checkout~/src/gold/README?rev=1.3&content-type=text/plain&cvsroot=src
[03:04] <rdw200169> BUGabundo, 0.0% packet loss
[03:04] <Amaranth> calc: See if any of the things it doesn't support are things OOo needs, I guess
[03:04] <BUGabundo> rdw200169: where do you experience this timeouts?
[03:05] <rdw200169> BUGabundo, pretty much everywhere.  i have the timeout in apt set to 3 seconds just so i can get updates.
[03:05] <rdw200169> BUGabundo, but everything from wget to firefox does it
[03:05] <BUGabundo> any p2p app on your network?
[03:05] <calc> hmm they need to get pie working
[03:06] <calc> iirc that is used in Ubuntu currently
[03:06] <calc> not sure about the other missing features
[03:06] <rdw200169> BUGabundo, i've tried windowing sysctl fixing, but it doesn't help at all, i.e. sys/net/ipv4/tcp_syncookies tcp_window_scaling etc...
[03:06] <rdw200169> BUGabundo, i don't think so, regardless, i can reboot right now and go back to hardy and the problem goes away
[03:06] <Amaranth> calc: Yeah, that one is why I figured it'd only be useful for your local builds
[03:06] <Amaranth> calc: Even so, from what I've read it should speed up linking a lot
[03:07] <BUGabundo> rdw200169: what ethernet card?
[03:07] <Jared> hey guys- am updating jaunty 9.04 and getting lots of breakage, on april 23rd if i do system update will it upgrade to official 9.04 or do i need to download another .iso?
[03:07] <rdw200169> BUGabundo, it's on the motherboard, ASUS nforce4 i think
[03:07] <calc> Amaranth: yea i'll have to try it out
[03:07] <BUGabundo> Jared: you can just update with update-manager
[03:07] <rdw200169> BUGabundo, it also did it on the Ralink 2500 series driver, though
[03:07] <BUGabundo> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[03:07] <BUGabundo> rdw200169: nforce
[03:07] <Jared> cool thanks
[03:08] <rdw200169> BUGabundo, i.e. wireless, but i got tired a while ago with signal strength and packet loss problems
[03:08] <BUGabundo> several users complain about it
[03:08] <rdw200169> BUGabundo, so now i'm wired in directly to the router
[03:08] <BUGabundo> RT is bad, yeah
[03:08] <BUGabundo> many PCI cards suck
[03:08] <calc> Jared: file bug reports
[03:08] <BUGabundo> but newer ones for eeepcs are working great now
[03:08] <calc> Jared: otherwise it will likely be as broken as it is now
[03:09] <BUGabundo> calc: most probably he doesn't even know what LP is
[03:09] <calc> BUGabundo: true
[03:09] <rdw200169> BUGabundo, i've tried checking the MTU value through ping tests and even that works fine
[03:09] <BUGabundo> I like helping and I spend HUGE amounts of time helping users
[03:09] <calc> doesn't require knowning what LP is to do Help->Report a Bug
[03:09] <BUGabundo> but some times, I just get to tired
[03:09] <BUGabundo> calc: requires LP login account
[03:09] <ActionParsnip> BUGabundo: fun isnt it :)
[03:10] <BUGabundo> ActionParsnip: too much... can't even laught anymore
[03:10] <BUGabundo> we all need to learn
[03:10] <ActionParsnip> true, ever day is a school day
[03:10] <Jared> :\
[03:10] <BUGabundo> I have became much better at filing bugs now, then a year back, or 3 years
[03:10] <BUGabundo> sorry Jared
[03:10] <ActionParsnip> i havent filed many bugs tbh
[03:11] <ActionParsnip> guess im lucky
[03:11] <BUGabundo> ActionParsnip: during alpha1-6 I reported at least 5 every day
[03:11] <Jared> well, apparently package manager thinks im up to date now
[03:11] <rdw200169> BUGabundo, and whats really strange is that i get no driver errors in syslog/messeges/dmesg
[03:11] <Jared> i just tried reinstalling and it worked
[03:11] <BUGabundo> when python broke, I was the one to report it
[03:11] <ActionParsnip> although jaunty wouldnt give nice res until i upgraded from intrepid instead of a clean install (weird)
[03:11] <Jared> so its buggy on initialization but fixes itself somehow? lol
[03:12] <BUGabundo> Jared: we have no idea what you are talking about
[03:12] <BUGabundo> you didn't mention any bug, AFAIR
[03:12] <Jared> ah
[03:12] <Jared> well
[03:12] <Jared> i tried to do an update with system update
[03:12] <BUGabundo> rdw200169: you need expert help. maybe you can bug asac on Monday (he is parting tonight)
[03:13] <Jared> it did a partial upgrade, and some packages failed to install
[03:13] <BUGabundo> Jared: please use update-manager
[03:13] <BUGabundo> and don't do partial upgrades
[03:13] <Jared> i later tried to do it again, and it worked after 2 more attempts
[03:13]  * BUGabundo smacks mvo to place a BIG RED alert on partial upgrades
[03:13] <rdw200169> BUGabundo, do you know any tricks with tcpdump etc... that might tell me what is causing these timeouts?
[03:13] <BUGabundo> nope
[03:14] <rdw200169> BUGabundo, its almost as if syn packets aren't getting where they are supposed to or something...
[03:14] <bjsnider> rdw200169, you have hardware that is ill-supported
[03:14] <BUGabundo> rdw200169: by now, you showed you know more then me... lol
[03:14]  * BUGabundo remembers of SiS HW grrrr
[03:14] <calc> asac is likely asleep by now its 3am where he lives iirc
[03:14] <BUGabundo> calc: here too
[03:15] <BUGabundo> Sat Apr 11 03:15:07 WEST 2009
[03:15] <calc> ah
[03:15] <Ienorand> BUGabundo: How do you actually avoid partial upgrades?
[03:15] <BUGabundo> he was denting a while ago
[03:15] <rdw200169> BUGabundo, sigh, I find this quite irritating b/c i'm really good at networking with linux
[03:15] <BUGabundo> Ienorand: not pressing it ?
[03:15] <BUGabundo> rdw200169: all I can tell you is that nforce behaves bad, and RT has lousy support
[03:15] <calc> rdw200169: which nic?
[03:16] <rdw200169> bjsnider, almost makes me want to go get a different motherboard.  that or install an Intel Gig-ethernet card.
[03:16] <calc> oh nforce (gag)
[03:16] <BUGabundo> the entire driver was made on a branch of the kernel
[03:16] <Ienorand> BUGabundo: ...So one waits untill its possible to do a non-partial...?
[03:16] <rdw200169> calc, BUGabundo lemme get the exact nomenclature
[03:16] <calc> nvidia anything is bad
[03:16] <bjsnider> rdw200169, grab a mainboard that's all-intel and you'll be in great shape
[03:16] <calc> at least if you want it to actually work
[03:16] <ActionParsnip> calc: nvidia gfx is rocking in linux
[03:16] <BUGabundo> Ienorand: yes. most of the time is building depencies or delays in mirror sync
[03:16] <BUGabundo> or FTBFS
[03:16] <bjsnider> graphics cards are another story
[03:16] <calc> ActionParsnip: until it explodes or doesn't display your menus, etc
[03:16] <ActionParsnip> calc: its all i buy due to fantastic support
[03:17] <rdw200169> calc: nVidia Corporation MCP55 Ethernet (rev a2)
[03:17] <bjsnider> rdw200169, guhhh...
[03:17] <ActionParsnip> calc: ive had zero issues with them since mandrake 7
[03:17] <calc> ActionParsnip: so great support that they refuse to let the xorg maintainer forward more than a minimal amount of bugs to them, heh
[03:17] <rdw200169> bjsnider, is it really that bad?
[03:17] <bjsnider> no, worse
[03:17] <ActionParsnip> calc: i dont care about that, they've always worked flawlessly for me, so imho they are awesome
[03:18] <BUGabundo> guys calm down!
[03:18] <calc> ActionParsnip: hope you keep the good luck :)
[03:18] <BUGabundo> we all have dirent views on this subject
[03:18] <ActionParsnip> calc: i intend to ;)
[03:18] <ActionParsnip> calc: thanks :D
[03:18] <rdw200169> ActionParsnip, i agree, nvidia gfx is kicking well on X.org.  i've finally got fullscreen sort-of working right with twinview in wine
[03:18] <Ienorand> BUGabundo: Ah, maybe it would be good with some information regarding that when you get the option of partials... Since I've been around Ubuntu from Gutsy and never understood what partial means... :/
[03:18] <BUGabundo> but until ANY of you guys take a SiS based board, I beat you all
[03:18] <ActionParsnip> calc: secret is to not buy the latest cards, buy a few cards back and yer fine
[03:19] <calc> BUGabundo: well the fact that are huge numbers of bugs, that the kernel guys added taint kernel support specifically because of bad nvidia drivers, etc are facts :)
[03:19] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, i can't imagine why i would do that
[03:19] <rdw200169> ActionParsnip, I agree with you wholeheartedly on that point
[03:19] <calc> ActionParsnip: actually aiui driver 96 doesn't work with OOo since it refuses to display the menus if compiz is enabled
[03:19] <BUGabundo> calc: I know that.... Kernel devs stop accepting tainted reports
[03:19] <ActionParsnip> rdw200169: but folks still buy the latest card the second its out and expect it to work
[03:19] <ActionParsnip> calc: then its a compiz issue
[03:19] <calc> BUGabundo: yea and they added tainted support specifically due to how buggy nvidia drivers are
[03:19] <rdw200169> ActionParsnip, just on $$ alone, i suggest they stay 6 mos. behind.  saves oodles of money
[03:20] <BUGabundo> I was hit with that... I barelly could use Kmail
[03:20] <BUGabundo> got around using Fire on the corner of the screen
[03:20] <calc> to be fair i have an nvidia card but i just use the nv driver
[03:20] <bjsnider> intel submits drivers for yet-to-be-released hardware
[03:20] <calc> the only reason i bought it was at the time it was hard to find a dual head dvi card without fan
[03:20] <BUGabundo> calc: I know that too....
[03:21]  * BUGabundo rdw200169 is agreeing with what I told calc 2h ago LOL
[03:21] <rdw200169> whats the opinion of MSI mobo's then, bjsnider as opposed to ASUS.  I used to be an ASUS guy, but these driver issues they always have get pretty darn infuriating
[03:21]  * calc no longer uses dual head since he wife took his second monitor, so will probably just get a intel gfx board next time
[03:21] <ActionParsnip> rdw200169: i like msi mobos
[03:21] <BUGabundo> calc: LOL
[03:22] <BUGabundo> I used a dual monitor too, until boss stop paying paycheck
[03:22] <calc> yea only buy brand new hardware if you like bugs... linux or not, things don't even work well under windows when they first come out
[03:22] <wirechief> BUGabundo: ok im ready
[03:22] <bjsnider> rdw200169, stick with baords that use intel's p35/p45/x38/x48/x58 they are all tested and work fine
[03:22] <ActionParsnip> or nforce
[03:22] <BUGabundo> wirechief: ahh?
[03:22] <rdw200169> bjsnider, yeah, but that usually means i have to use the Intel procs.
[03:22]  * wirechief i hope this doesnt take 24 hrs to crash hahaha
[03:22] <bjsnider> rdw200169, the best cpus
[03:22] <bjsnider> but also the most expensive
[03:22] <BUGabundo> bah
[03:22] <rdw200169> bjsnider, i'm an AMD guy.  makes sense.  i own a bunch of their stock.
[03:23] <BUGabundo> guys calm down
[03:23] <bjsnider> what's AMD?
[03:23] <wirechief> reluctantly i decided to give it another shot.
[03:23] <bjsnider> never heard of it
[03:23] <BUGabundo> we are on extreme corners... no one will agree with the others
[03:23] <dkkong> Did the Intel 845 video glitch get fixed? I'm still stuck at VESA with 0hz refresh rate
[03:23] <calc> bjsnider: the company that made the best cpus before core 2 came out :)
[03:23] <bjsnider> hahahaaa
[03:23] <BUGabundo> dkkong: NO
[03:23] <ActionParsnip> advance micro devices, bjsnider ;)
[03:23] <bjsnider> yeah!
[03:23] <bjsnider> they usedto be a contenda
[03:24] <BUGabundo> I want an ARM... no FAN
[03:24] <rdw200169> both companies are in constant competition with ea. other.  have been for almost 2 decades now.
[03:24] <ActionParsnip> i like amd chips
[03:24] <wirechief> BUGabundo:  i can move stuff all over the screen i guess that is the compiz program
[03:24] <dkkong> BUGabundo: is there a way to at least fix the 0hz problem?
[03:24] <dkkong> in the vesa mode I mean
[03:24] <rdw200169> and they are always trying to beat ea. other to the punch.  right now i think its cutting costs on the 45nm process, but i'm not sure
[03:24] <BUGabundo> dkkong: don't know. ask cwillu or bryce
[03:25] <bjsnider> the new intel i7 destroys all other consumer cpus and will for the next couple of years
[03:25] <BUGabundo> right now I'm an Intel guy
[03:25] <BUGabundo> C2D are pretty good
[03:25] <dkkong> cwillu: Do you know a way to change the 0hz refresh rate on the vesa mode
[03:25] <rdw200169> regardless, both have excellent products.  Intel just has more market share, and I prefer amd
[03:25] <bjsnider> they're a bit pricey though
[03:25] <ActionParsnip> i just buy whats cheapest
[03:25] <calc> bjsnider: afaict amd hasn't caught up since conroe was released (/me lived in conroe until 2 years ago :)
[03:25] <BUGabundo> for a long time I was an AMD guy
[03:25] <dkkong> I'm normally an intel, but its borked for now
[03:25] <cwillu> dkkong, what bug number?
[03:26] <calc> the new intel chips this summer will be interesting to see, they have gpu built into the cpu now
[03:26] <rdw200169> calc, classy use of /me ;)
[03:26] <calc> rdw200169: :)
[03:26] <rdw200169> calc, and you don't think that amd is trying the same thing?  even after they took the hit on buying up ati?
[03:26] <dkkong> cwillu: I don't think it has a bug per say. I've had to switch to vesa because of the intel bug and was just wondering if there was a way to fix the fact that I can't change my refresh rate from 0hz.
[03:26] <calc> while looking for dictionary bugs of a specific type it appears i am finding even more bugs
[03:27] <calc> rdw200169: oh i'm sure they will have it soon, iirc they were at one time going to have multi socket systems where a socket was for the gpu, another for eg physics processor, etc
[03:27] <BUGabundo> calc: ROFL
[03:27] <cwillu> dkkong, do you have an image at all?
[03:27] <calc> BUGabundo: ispell-fi appears to not include the dictionary file when i rebuilt it at least L\
[03:28] <calc> :\
[03:28] <BUGabundo> calc: I stoped looking at buglinks on my own bugs, because of that.... I would add 10-20-50 new bugs to my list
[03:28] <dkkong> cwillu: Yeah, it's just VESA at 1024*768.
[03:28] <cwillu> dkkong, sorry, I'm not understanding what your problem is
[03:28] <bjsnider> calc, have you seen the benchmarks for the i7? right up off the top of the charts. buried the needle.
[03:28] <calc> BUGabundo: i'm having to build every dictionary package and examine the output and attach packages to a bug i already created then i have to fix all the buggy ones for the release
[03:28] <bjsnider> plus it has sse4
[03:29] <calc> bjsnider: i7 is too expensive :\ but i5 with built in gpu will be out sometime this summer
[03:29] <cwillu> if anything shows up on the screen, you're not running at 0hz refresh (logs and other sources of misinformation aside :p)
[03:29] <Barridus> can anyone help me with troubleshooting Startup Applications/Automatically Remember Running Apps When Logging Out?  No matter if it's checked or unchecked, or no matter what is actually running when i log out or reboot, i'm greeted to pidgin and firefox upon next login.
[03:29]  * BUGabundo mutes all the geek talk! 
[03:29] <calc> i think i am going to wait until the quad core with built in gpu (i6 maybe?) comes out
[03:29] <calc> i need to upgrade around the end of the year
[03:29] <dkkong> cwillu: Intel 845 chipsets are broken as listed on the main page. To make GNOME work, I swapped my xorg.conf to vesa in the driver section. I've got a desktop at 1024*768 resolution, but I can't change my refresh rate to anything but 0hz.
[03:29] <BUGabundo> Barridus: I saw someone mention that in the last few days
[03:30] <calc> dkkong: 0hz... so a black screen?
[03:30] <BUGabundo> I can't reproduce it, thought
[03:30] <Barridus> was it me perhaps?
[03:30] <Barridus> it's been a burr in my saddle for the past few days
[03:30] <cwillu> dkkong, what it telling you 0hz?
[03:30] <BUGabundo> Barridus: maybe. I have the worse memory
[03:30] <cwillu> s/it/is/
[03:30] <dkkong> calc: Nope, it's a screen with full pics and all, just no ability to refresh anything, so things like video and things moving quickly on the desktop look like crap
[03:30] <Barridus> it might be UNR, i can't find any info anywhere
[03:30] <dkkong> cwillu: the Display option in the system menu in GNOME
[03:31] <Barridus> and UNR has no options that i can find
[03:31] <BUGabundo> Barridus: file a bug and mention that
[03:31] <BUGabundo> also create a new user, and try to reproduce
[03:31] <calc> dkkong: oh :\
[03:31] <Barridus> yeah that's a good idea, i'll try the new user first.
[03:31] <Barridus> get more info and possibly confirm/eliminate UNR
[03:31]  * calc gets back to looking at all the dicts
[03:32] <Barridus> it's nice being in an ubuntu support chan where you don't have to preface everything with "BUGabundo:" or risk being punched in the sack
[03:33] <wirechief> this reminds me of hunting. you see two deer when you first get out there. later you are all prepared and you spend two days and no deer in sight
[03:33] <BUGabundo> time for bed
[03:33] <BUGabundo> see you tomorrow
[03:33] <wirechief> bye
[03:34] <Barridus> later BUGabundo
[03:34] <Barridus> thanks for the advice as always
[03:34] <BUGabundo> Barridus: actually do it, or I may not read it LOL
[03:34] <Barridus> heh, yeah
[03:41] <DanaG> QARGH!~ Why the hell is gnome assuming 96dpi?
[03:42] <rdw200169> DanaG, i think they killed the automatic dpi feature
[03:42] <DanaG> calc: nvidia 96 driver even starts for you?  For me, it just makes the X server segfault!
[03:42] <DanaG> rdw200169: all the better to have the fonts the wrong danged size for whatever the heck monitor you connect.
[03:42] <rdw200169> bjsnider, i think i found out what the problem was
[03:42] <DanaG> Yay for having to MANUALLY set things!
[03:43] <rdw200169> bjsnider, it was that horrid piece of heck, NetworkManager
[03:43] <crdlb> DanaG: it was breaking too much stuff to include it in jaunty
[03:43] <DanaG> How about having a gconf key to re-enable autodetection?
[03:43] <DanaG> For me, it worked fine.
[03:43] <crdlb> how about just waiting a month? :)
[03:43] <Tefad> is there a guide to moving the LVM encryption key off my harddrive
[03:43] <DanaG> Month... for jaunty+1?
[03:44] <rdw200169> wasn't the problem related to the fact that all monitors don't report EDID's?
[03:44] <DanaG> "all $THING don't" wording always bugs me....
[03:44] <DanaG> sounds to me like "none do"
[03:44] <DanaG> =þ
[03:44] <Tefad> not all does
[03:45] <Tefad> none does.
[03:45] <Tefad> grammarrrrr
[03:45] <crdlb> DanaG: ok, maybe two
[03:45] <Tefad> not all do there
[03:45] <Tefad> my brain hurts
[03:45] <DanaG> All monitors I have seem to work well enough, so it'd be nice to have a gconf key.
[03:45] <DanaG> "not all do" is less ambiguous.
[03:45] <crdlb> that would be silly
[03:45] <crdlb> it's not like it's a regression from intrepid
[03:48] <calc> DanaG: i don't use it, i just noted that users that use it seems to not to work right for them with displaying text
[03:49] <DanaG> ah.  For me, it just plain crashes the X server.
[03:54] <bjsnider> rdw200169, how did you establish network-manager's culpability?
[03:54] <rdw200169> bjsnider, what do you mean?  how did i realize it was garbage?
[03:55] <bjsnider> no, how did you establish that it was responsible for your troubles
[03:57] <rdw200169> bjsnider, i dunno.  I *never* use it because it used to cause me endless troubles in hardy.
[03:57] <bjsnider> rdw200169, you don't know. well, that should hold up in court.
[03:57] <rdw200169> bjsnider, then i remember that there it is, sneering at me in the top toolbar.  hm... it has a lot of control, why don't i get rid of it?
[03:59] <rdw200169> bjsnider, so, i did a quick killall of the relevant apps, set up my network interface in /etc/network/interfaces = problem solved.  no more random timeouts
[04:00] <rdw200169> i fell out of love with NetworkManager when it made wireless connections using WEP impossible and interfacing the dbus a matter of knowing what the *exact* version was b/c it was constantly changing the non-existent introspection properties
[04:01] <rdw200169> and, thusly, the fact that the developers insist on not documenting the dbus interface in a manner that is accurate or usable
[04:02] <calc> those type people aren't developers... they are something else i probably can't say :-\
[04:04] <QPrime> rdw200169: My experience with NM on intrepid has been pretty good.  I will agree that Hardy was a bit of a problem.  NM on Jaunty has been virtually flawless for me.
[04:10] <rdw200169> look, all i'm saying is that with NetworkManager gone, I've managed to install several large files w/out a single timeout
[04:11] <QPrime> rdw200169: not arguing with you, whatever works.
[04:12] <rdw200169> why, i don't know, and i don't really care.  I hate NetworkManager with a passion and I don't really feel like scouring through a bunch of C code to figure out what caused this particular headache.
[04:12] <Ienorand> I can't get wired net connection with NM enabled :)
[04:12]  * rdw200169 realizes he should have known NM would have been his problem
[04:13]  * QPrime can see that rdw200169 really takes NM rather personally.
[04:13] <crdlb> you can stop complaining now
[04:13] <rdw200169> yeah.  i'm done ;)
[04:14] <Ienorand> I'm just worried that the bug of no net won't be fixed until release... That would be a nice welcome for new users, no internet...
[04:17] <QPrime> Ienorand: do you have any entries in your '/etc/network/interfaces'?  also you might want to try and delete all auto created NM interfaces and let NM re-create on reboot or service restart
[04:19] <Ienorand> QPrime: I have this issue when booting on livecd:s all through Jaunty, and on Intrepid as well... apparently it's some insteraction between kernel 2.6.27 and NMBug #284377 by the way...
[04:20] <Ienorand> ... *liveCDs *interaction *NM,
[04:22] <Cameron> is there a 'blessed' desktop search app for jaunty ? it looks that tracker has been removed from the default install.  Is tracker still recommended, or should I look at others ?
[04:22] <QPrime> Ienorand: fair enough.  I'll take a quick peek at the bug report.  (apparently looking at bug reports on a Friday constitutes a 'good time' for me these days).
[04:25] <Ienorand> QPrime: Cheers, TJ is assigned on the Kernel side, but last thing he said is that he's got no 'inspiration' as to how to tackle it, so more input would always be nice...
[04:26] <crdlb> Cameron: tracker would still be it, I guess
[04:27] <Cameron> crdlb: ok, thanks
[04:37] <zj3t3mju> !search sound
[04:46] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[04:53] <frybye> who else is having problems with flash-video/you tube and co. - since an update some 18hrs ago??
[04:55] <jblackhall> anyone having problems getting updates via update-manager?  I'm trying to connect to the main US server and it's stalling partway through checking the repos.  I'm also unable to connect to launchpad
[04:56] <ActionParsnip> frybye: 64bit linux or 32bit?
[04:57] <frybye> the prob is on a eeepc 1000h/32bit...
[04:58] <frybye> with jaunty nbr
[04:58] <frybye> here on a 64bit pc with jaunty and the alpha flash 10 from adobe - no prob at all...
[05:01] <frybye> ActionParsnip: its 32bit on an eeepc
[05:02] <ActionParsnip> frybye: sudo apt-get --reinstall flashplugin-nonfree
[05:03] <frybye> ActionParsnip: I did that via synaptic already.. any point in doing again with apt-get???
[05:04] <frybye> just a min - not sure about that... will try...
[05:04] <ActionParsnip> frybye: nar
[05:05] <ActionParsnip> frybye: you could download the tar.gz from www.adobe.com and extract the .so file to ~/.mozilla/plugins
[05:05] <philsf> if I~m using aptitude to upgrade to jaunty, the least expected way would be: safe-upgrade, dist-upgrade, or something else in between?
[05:05] <quietas> Anyone using FreeNX with Jaunty?  I have it running via the PPA debs, but I only have a desktop with no gnome
[05:05] <quietas> Headless server with ubuntu desktop installed also
[05:07] <coz_> guys  still in jaunty the nautilus open dialog takes way too long to populate... any solutions?
[05:08] <ActionParsnip> coz_: use a lighter app like pcman
[05:09] <ActionParsnip> coz_: i'm sure it will be improved in the official release, log a bug
[05:09] <coz_> ActionParsnip, well thats one solution but not the one I am looking for :)  this started occurring in intrepid  and has only gotten worse in jaunty and I am assumiung it is actually a gnome issue since it is also happening in debian
[05:09] <coz_> :)
[05:10] <ActionParsnip> coz_: then i'd definately log a bug
[05:10] <coz_> ActionParsnip, did that already ,,, before the last two major updates it was getting better though :)
[05:11] <calc> i finally finished checking out the dictionary packages, 7 are buggy
[05:11] <calc> er 7 source packages are buggy, not sure how many binaries are
[05:24] <frybye> coz_: he seems to hve gone offline...
[05:25] <coz_> frybye,  ah ok
[05:30] <mjheagle8> has anybody been having problems with kpackagekit in jaunty?
[05:33] <frybye> where can i check what grafic-card + driver I have installed at the moment...?
[05:34] <frybye> under settings display - there is practically nothing.. it just says laptop 10" and thats that...
[05:37] <hil> lspci
[05:37] <mjheagle8> can anybody help me with kpackagekit?
[05:49] <mjheagle8> can anybody help me with kpackagekit?
[05:51] <Ienorand> Heh, now on thte latest daily NM works flawlessly... Glad that got sorted before release... Seems the fix was unintentional though... Since no mention of the bug in the changelogs... Oh well, as long as it keeps on working... Might have to backport to intrepid though...
[05:59] <slashdotfx> anyone know how to disable ipv6 in jaunty?
[06:04] <Mulder> slashdotfx, custom kernel?
[06:10] <slashdotfx> Mulder: ic
[06:11] <MinusSeven> how much different is the alternate install process to the normal one?
[06:11] <MinusSeven> i'm having a problem getting the boot loader installed with the beta
[06:12] <AK_Dave> the alternate install looks almost identical to the stock Debian installer.
[06:12] <MinusSeven> i see
[06:12] <MinusSeven> with the normal version, its not letting me install grub on the master hard drive
[06:13] <MinusSeven> i let it install on the slave, then changed the boot order, but it didn't work either
[06:13] <Flynsarmy> Do they have the tiny 'save as'/'open' dialogue box issue fixed in jaunty? where when you try to open the window appears all collapsed and you avhe to expand it
[06:21] <frybye> re: is it not possible to use xorg-edit with jaunty?? Suggest an alternative gui-xorg config?
[06:25] <DrMrHorse> i had trouble with accessing the boot loader because it was installed on a partition with ext4, and i couldnt access it to adjust it from my old partition running 8.04 and ext3
[06:25] <DrMrHorse> but im a little dopey
[06:27] <crdlb> frybye: I'm not familiar with that, but what do you need to change?
[06:54] <Pollywog> I upgraded to jaunty and I had problems with it, major ones.  I did a clean install and now it works like a charm
[06:54] <Pollywog> Why don't upgrades usually go well
[06:55] <Pollywog> ?
[06:55] <Pollywog> most upgrades of ubuntu/kubuntu do not go well for me
[06:55] <Pollywog> I try clean installs and those usually go well
[06:56] <drmrhorse> mine regular updates have been fine after my clean install
[06:56] <darthanubis> you mean why don't upgrades go well for YOU
[06:56] <drmrhorse> *my
[06:57] <ktne> hello, anyone has has succesfully installed kubuntu 9.04??
[06:57] <Pollywog> regular updates are not a problem, it is upgrades
[06:57] <Pollywog> ktne :  yes
[06:57] <drmrhorse> the dist upgrade Pollywog?
[06:58] <Pollywog> yes the dist-upgrades do not go well but clean installs do
[06:58] <drmrhorse> and ktne, yes, even suspend/resume works for me
[06:58] <ktne> no
[06:58] <ktne> from a live CD
[06:58] <Pollywog> ktne: try the alternate install
[06:58] <ktne> i tried installing it and i think that i don't have a boot manager anymore
[06:58] <Pollywog> the alternate installer almost never fails
[06:58] <drmrhorse> ktne: entirely possible
[06:58] <ktne> well, what should i do now?
[06:58] <ktne> i can't boot
[06:59] <drmrhorse> ktne: are you just booting into jaunty or do you dual/more boot?
[06:59] <ktne> and how is that it doesn't install a boot manager?
[06:59] <ktne> i have jaunty and vista
[07:00] <ktne> but all the boot stuff is gone
[07:00] <ktne> for now i want to boot jaunty
[07:00] <drmrhorse> did have a dual boot before?
[07:00] <ktne> yes
[07:00] <ktne> fedora and vista
[07:00] <drmrhorse> ah
[07:00] <drmrhorse> the install usually install grub
[07:00] <ktne> it doesn't
[07:01] <drmrhorse> i was lucky enough to have it install grub for me
[07:01] <ktne> so what i do?
[07:01] <Neon_> which os did you install first?
[07:01] <ktne> Neon_:  vista
[07:01] <ktne> but i don't care about vista
[07:01] <ktne> what i want now is to boot kubuntu
[07:02] <ktne> but i can't because i have no bootloader
[07:02] <Neon_> do you have your vista cd?
[07:02] <ktne> yes but what this has to do?
[07:02] <Neon_> the windows boot loader should be enouph
[07:02] <ktne> no
[07:02] <Neon_> to get into kubuntu
[07:02] <drmrhorse> windows boot loader doesnt load ubuntu
[07:02] <ktne> i don't want to boot that
[07:02] <drmrhorse> windows boot loader only boots windows
[07:03] <ktne> yes, as far as i know
[07:03] <ktne> also, even then, where is grub?
[07:03] <ktne> isn't this some sort of critical bug?
[07:03] <Tefad> drmrhorse: you are incorrect
[07:03] <drmrhorse> grub is located at /boot/grub
[07:03] <ktne> there is no /boot/grub
[07:03] <ktne> that's what i was saying
[07:03] <Neon_> if you reset the windows boot loader
[07:03] <ktne> there is no bootloader
[07:03] <Tefad> wubi straps itself off windows boot loader
[07:03] <Neon_> it should give yout the ubuntu option
[07:04] <drmrhorse> ktne: are you using wubi?
[07:04] <ktne> Neon_: my windows fails to repair so i can't use that
[07:04] <ktne> drmrhorse: no
[07:04] <drmrhorse> kk
[07:04] <ktne> drmrhorse: i installed kubuntu from a live cd
[07:04] <ktne> the installer finished but then instead of rebooting
[07:04] <drmrhorse> and it was a jaunty cd?
[07:04] <ktne> it entered the kde desktop
[07:04] <ktne> well i assume kubuntu 9.04 is jaunty
[07:05] <drmrhorse> yeas
[07:05] <drmrhorse> yes, rather
[07:05] <ktne> is it normal to enter the kde desktop right after copying the files to disk?
[07:05] <ktne> i was not asked anything about the boot manager
[07:06] <drmrhorse> i dunno, heres how kubuntu worked for me dual booting with windows:
[07:06] <ktne> no
[07:06] <ktne> please stope
[07:06] <ktne> forget windows, it doesn't work here
[07:06] <drmrhorse> ok, ill stop
[07:06] <ktne> i need to boot kubuntu
[07:06] <ktne> alone
[07:06] <ktne> with grub
[07:06] <remu> I was trying to install firefox-3.5 after it installed it kept giving me a "Bus error (core dumped)" so after I tried removing it, I now keep getting this message from apt whenever I try to do something. How can I resolve it? http://pastebin.com/d1319fad6
[07:06] <ktne> how do i do this?
[07:06] <cspack> it should have told you to reboot after the install, then it asks you to remove the cd before it shuts down
[07:06] <ktne> cspack: it didn't do that
[07:07] <ktne> cspack: it displayed a "Copying .." dialog then when it was near the end it closed and fired up the KDE desktop
[07:07] <ktne> and it does that inside virtualbox too
[07:07] <ktne> but i thought it was an error on my side
[07:07] <ktne> it looks like it did that on the real system too
[07:08] <cspack> did you try rebooting manually?
[07:08] <ktne> i did in the virtualbox and it failed
[07:08] <ktne> because there is no grub
[07:08] <ktne> now, on the real machine on which i'm now
[07:08] <ktne> i ended up the same way and i'm afraid to reboot
[07:09] <ktne> and there is no grub directory in /target/boot
[07:09] <ktne> so i assume grub has not been installed
[07:09] <cspack> virtualbox doesn't use grub
[07:09] <ktne> what do you mean? it does if you install grub in an operating system
[07:10] <cspack> it uses a virtual drive inside your host
[07:10] <ktne> yes i know
[07:11] <ktne> but on that virtual drive the operating system should install grub
[07:11] <ktne> so that it can boot the virtual operating system
[07:11] <cspack> anyway i would try rebooting the real machine, you can always boot with the live cd and fix grub if it's broken
[07:11] <ktne> how to fix grub with the live cd?
[07:12] <ktne> ok, i'll reboot
[07:15] <AK_Dave> supergrub is real handy also
[07:16] <Pollywog> supergrub?
[07:17] <Pollywog> I guess he did not see my suggestion to try the alternate install
[07:17] <Pollywog> esp if he has a laptop or slow machine
[07:17] <AK_Dave> supergrub is a livecd of, well, grub. And other tools.
[07:17] <Pollywog> oic
[07:19] <ktne> i'm back
[07:19] <ktne> it won't boot
[07:19] <ktne> and the installation CD has no Repair option, so i have no way to install grub
[07:19] <ktne> what should i do now?
[07:20] <ktne> please..
[07:20] <ktne> i'm really desperate her :(
[07:20] <Pollywog> what does it do on boot?
[07:21] <ktne> it doesn't do anything because there is no bootloader
[07:21] <Pollywog> oic
[07:21] <AK_Dave> download supergrub livecd and burn it. Boot with it. How to find supergrub? Go to distrowatch, or google for "supergrub".
[07:21] <Pollywog> ktne is this a dual boot machine?
[07:21] <ktne> is there any way i can do this without burning yet another cd?
[07:21] <ktne> Pollywog: it used to be fedora+vista
[07:22] <ktne> Pollywog: but kubuntu formatted /boot partition
[07:22] <ktne> Pollywog: and there is no /boot/grub anymore
[07:22] <cspack> can you mount your boot partition?
[07:22] <Pollywog> I think there is a way to fix it if you have the alternate install CD
[07:22] <ktne> yes, i suppose
[07:22] <ktne> Pollywog: i don't have the alternate install CD
[07:23] <ktne> and anyway
[07:23] <ktne> has anyone actually installed kubuntu beta on their machine before releasing it?
[07:23] <ktne> because i think it's impossible to install it
[07:23] <ktne> it doesn't work in a virtual machine either
[07:23] <Pollywog> no even a pollywog can install it
[07:24] <Pollywog> ktne it IS harder to install on virtualbox but I did it
[07:24] <ktne> Pollywog: on a clean virtualbox machine?
[07:24]  * AK_Dave installed Jaunty and then did 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop'
[07:24] <Pollywog> are you running virtualbox in windows?
[07:24] <ktne> Pollywog:  no, now i'm on the real machine, and it behaved the same way as in virtualbox, that's why i'm so desperate
[07:25] <Pollywog> ktne: you should stick with LTS versions (Hardy) until you are comfortable installing Ubuntu
[07:26] <Pollywog> and it is better to always use the alternate install CD
[07:26] <ktne> i'm very comfortable installing linux as long as it comes with a boot manager!
[07:26] <Pollywog> unless you have a fast machine
[07:26] <ktne> i have a fast machine
[07:26] <Pollywog> k
[07:26] <ktne> and i have installed linux dozens of times before
[07:26] <Pollywog> okay
[07:26] <ktne> so i know what i'm saying when i'm saying that kubuntu 9.04 CD doesn't come with a boot manager
[07:27] <Pollywog> well I installed it
[07:27] <ktne> i mean, it has syslinux, but it doesn't install one
[07:27] <Pollywog> the only problem I have is with dist upgrades
[07:27] <ktne> ok, why hasn't installed on here, on two separate installations?
[07:27] <Pollywog> they work but something is almost always broken, then a clean install fixes it
[07:28] <ktne> this was a clean installation, on a newly formatted / partition
[07:28] <cspack> did you mount your boot partition and verify there is a grub directory?
[07:28] <ktne> yes, there isn't one
[07:28] <cspack> oh. sounds like the install didn't finish then
[07:29] <ktne> as i said, it displayed the "Copying .. " dialog then at close to the end it closed and fired up the KDE desktop
[07:29] <cspack> what filesystem did you format /boot with?
[07:29] <ktne> ext2
[07:30] <cspack> wasn't kde desktop already running?
[07:30] <ktne> no, i used the "Install KDE" menu entry
[07:30] <ktne> instead of "Try from CD"
[07:31] <ktne> ok, i'll try to install it again
[07:31] <cspack> maybe try running from live cd, then click the install icon
[07:31] <cspack> that's how i always do it
[07:31] <Pollywog> you have installed with LIVE cd's in the past?
[07:31] <ktne> not kubuntu
[07:31] <cspack> never had a problem
[07:32] <Pollywog> I have had success with some machines and not others but the alternate install almost never fails
[07:32] <ktne> i did install opensuse, ubuntu hardy, fedora, etc before on this machine
[07:32] <ktne> Pollywog: what is that alternate install?
[07:32] <ktne> is it the alternate install CD?
[07:33] <ktne> why would one fail and the other one work?
[07:33] <Pollywog> where you download the iso's, there is a link for alternate install
[07:33] <Pollywog> the alternate installer is textual
[07:33] <ktne> ok, but it doesn't make it clear on that page "beware, the default one doesn't install"
[07:33] <Pollywog> so it runs faster, and it also has several options, one of them to rescue a "broken" install
[07:33] <ktne> i see
[07:34] <Pollywog> if you use the alternate install, you might be able to fix it so you do not lose the Vista install
[07:34] <cspack> i know if i can boot from the live cd that all my hardware is detected, etc. and it should install ok
[07:34] <Pollywog> but Vista is weird
[07:35] <ktne> i already said it, i don't care about the vista install, all i want is to get my system booting
[07:35] <Pollywog> it would work with XP
[07:35] <Pollywog> k
[07:35] <Pollywog> it is easier if you install Vista first if you are doing a dual boot
[07:35] <ktne> i KNOW
[07:35] <Pollywog> k
[07:35] <ktne> vista was installed
[07:35] <ktne> installed fedora
[07:36] <ktne> now installed kubuntu, no more grub
[07:36] <ktne> and kubuntu installer apparently fails
[07:36] <ktne> during "Copying files.." dialog
[07:36] <Pollywog> please just try the alternate installer
[07:36] <ktne> i can't
[07:36] <Pollywog> o
[07:37] <cspack> select "try the cd" or whatever, then install from the desktop
[07:37] <ktne> cspack: that's what i'm doing now, i'll report back soon
[07:38] <cspack> k
[07:40] <cspack> i want to try jaunty as well, but i just got this intrepid install customized.  not sure i want to upgrade to beta
[07:41] <|ns|nR8> duel boot
[07:41] <cspack> yeah i might try it with virtualbox actually since i don't have a spare partition atm
[07:47] <pitwalker> s.o.s. "/dev/sda5 -- device or resource busy"
[07:51] <ktne> hi again
[07:51] <ktne> it appears to have been installed properly
[07:52] <cspack> yay
[07:52] <ktne> :)
[07:53] <cspack> you have grub now? :)
[07:53] <ktne> yes :)
[07:53] <ktne> it detected vista and fedora too
[07:53] <cspack> nice
[07:53] <ktne> thanks
[07:53] <ktne> now i'll try to install nvidia drivers
[07:54] <cspack> np
[07:55] <pitwalker> alternata installer is a nightmare on a prepartitioned 500GB SATA DISK!!!!!!!!!!
[08:00] <pitwalker> alternate installer works when i choose F4 and i insall only a command line system :-)
[08:02] <cspack> never had to use alternate installer, don't have RAID or anything special
[08:05] <pitwalker> anyone experienced error on gdm screen vith ATI proprietary driver?
[08:12] <eagles0513875> i have noticed an interesting problem with the new network manager
[08:12] <eagles0513875> does it happen when after you unlock the session it is unable to reconnect to the wifi network
[08:12] <eagles0513875> if i reboot it connects just fine
[08:14] <pitwalker> alternate installer -> command line system not allow for me to choose the place of grub!
[08:14] <pitwalker> and installed to mbr with grub error 17, GREAT!!!!!!!!!!
[08:15] <eagles0513875> !grub
[08:15] <eagles0513875> pitwalker: the first link might help ya im not sure though
[08:16] <pitwalker> eagles0513875: i use my ubuntu jaunty usb key to reinstall grub to proper location and the GAG (or i can use super grub disk)
[08:17] <eagles0513875> pitwalker: are you trying to make ur usb key the location that you want to boot off of
[08:17] <eagles0513875> or just using it as a live cd
[08:18] <pitwalker> eagles0513875: hahahh, i love my portable complete system on a 8GB USB KEY :-) with ext3
[08:18] <eagles0513875> pitwalker: never got it to work for me
[08:18] <eagles0513875> i just use my key as a bootable live cd
[08:18] <eagles0513875> and mine is only 4gb lol
[08:19] <eagles0513875> pitwalker: do you have a how to in regards to making kubuntu persistent on a usb key
[08:19] <pitwalker> i installed custom packages, and works alwasy as normal hdd on ich7 ich10, dell inspiron, hp compaq, asus, msi, gigabyte...
[08:19] <eagles0513875> pitwalker: do you have a how to
[08:19] <eagles0513875> on how you did it
[08:20] <pitwalker> with a not BAAAAAAAAAD alkternate installer
[08:21] <cspack> try http://www.pendrivelinux.com they have a bunch of howto's there
[08:24] <pitwalker> the trick is: you must use UUIDs in grub's menu.lst ;-)
[08:24] <pitwalker> the usb key is the 1st hard disk
[08:25] <eagles0513875> cspack: i tried it and i never got it to work
[08:25] <eagles0513875> now i must reboot again for a kernel update lol
[08:26] <pitwalker> i'm in a hurry, you can email to me via the sane launchpad account
[09:24] <philsf> hello, I can't find the proper keyboard variant in jaunty (Generic - ABNT2 - thinkpad variant)
[09:25] <philsf> the normal variant is missing the slash - interrogation
[09:25] <philsf> Is there a way to set this in xorg.conf
[09:35] <philsf> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[09:44] <acicula> when building a kernel mod driver it starts building but bombs out with an error that it can find the target mymodulename under <linux-headers>/drivers, anyone familiar with that. I'm trying to build the lenovo-sl-driver
[09:45] <acicula> *cant
[09:50] <shadeslayer> hi,h i how do i disable a extra x server i set up?
[09:51] <Omni> So, I need the package libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2, but it hasn't been ported to ubuntu
[09:51] <Omni> err, ubuntu jaunty
[09:51] <Omni> What should I do?
[09:52] <Omni> install the intrepid one?
[09:53] <giskard> my gnome session almost always starts in low resolution (640 x 350 or something) using nvidia propietary drivers (v 96)
[09:53] <acicula> dunno, it may work but it's a fair chance it wont
[09:53] <giskard> i have to restart X to get it to proper resolution
[09:53] <giskard> how do i go about to troubleshooting this issue?
[09:53] <acicula> Omni: that's a pretty ancient version
[09:57] <acicula> Omni: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/350401
[09:57] <ktne> i have no sound, but the sound chip is detected properly
[09:57] <giskard> along those lines, how can i reenable ctrl+alt+backspace to restart X?
[09:58] <ktne> "The audio playback device ... does not work. Falling back to."
[09:58] <acicula> giskard: there's a special command to reeanble it, but i forgot, try googiling for ubuntu x cltr-alt-del jaunty?
[09:58] <Blues-Man> hi all
[09:59] <ktne> alsamixer starts, but speaker-test does not produce any output, altrough it appears to work
[09:59] <Blues-Man> i have several screen refresh problems in the last jaunty update con mu hp 6720s celeron with intel video card
[09:59] <Blues-Man> how can i "force" refresh? sometimes it crashes also
[10:00] <acicula> ktne: did you have a look at the sound wiki page and troubleshooting page?
[10:00] <ktne> no
[10:00] <acicula> !sound | ktne
[10:00] <ktne> thanks
[10:01] <acicula> Blues-Man: force refresh, crash, ?
[10:02] <Blues-Man> acicula, i have screen refresh problems cause when I change window, a part of the last window remain on the new one
[10:02] <Blues-Man> as little rows
[10:02] <acicula> like so
[10:02] <Blues-Man> and sometimes my laptop crashes i mean that all is blocked
[10:02] <Blues-Man> i can't press anything as key on keyboard is all "freeze"
[10:02] <acicula> well it's probably just X that hangs but yeah
[10:02] <Blues-Man> i have only to switch off the poweroff button
[10:03] <Blues-Man> this problems comes with ubuntu kernel and kernel.org one too
[10:03] <giskard> acicula: sudo aptitude install dontzap -y
[10:03] <giskard> then: sudo dontzap -d
[10:03] <acicula> thanx giskard :)
[10:04] <acicula> !dontzap
[10:04] <acicula> taddaa
[10:04] <acicula> knew it was in there :/
[10:05] <acicula> Blues-Man: i have no suggestions on how to fix your problem i'm afraid, you can look through launchpad and see if a problem similar to yours is listed with similar/same hardware(or try the forums)
[10:05] <Blues-Man> ok..
[10:05] <acicula> How long have you had the problem, over several updates?also in intrepid?
[10:06] <Blues-Man> no only in jaunty
[10:06] <ktne> my sound card is properly detects, speaker-test plays but no output is heard, kde says that my audio playback device doesn't work, i have tried the audio wiki, no result
[10:06] <ktne> what should i do?
[10:06] <Blues-Man> in last update this problem increased! and my gtk fonts looks also ugly
[10:06] <Blues-Man> even if yes i m using kde
[10:20] <janakaclk> .
[10:23] <ktne> hello, how can i search for a package that contains the 64bit lgthread-2.0 ?
[10:23] <pitwalker> okay, i hawe a partition table a grub don't line one! a desktop and alternate media dont like too
[10:29] <deany> jaunty UNR on dell mini 9, live cd ran ok, wifi worked ok (WPA protected).  made new wifi network, put in password and bam, its connected.  installed jaunty, when i make the wifi network it assigns it ad-hoc and "shared with other computers" with ip address not in any range i have configured.. when i set to infrastructure, and DHCP (which is what it should be) it doesnt even try and connect.. yet i did this in livecd and it worked.
[10:30] <deany> it came with 8.04 loaded... backed it up just in case.
[10:43] <Persi> hi there, Jaunty keeps freezing
[10:43] <Persi> xubuntu
[10:43] <Persi> any thoughts?
[10:43] <Persi> anyone here actually?
[10:44] <Persi> btw ctrlaltbkspc could have helped I think...
[10:45] <youngmusic> I don't  think i can help you, but I do know you'll have to explain your problem more in detail if you want help.
[10:46] <pitwalker> something is very bad in current installer, all live linux loves my 2 ntfs partition and also vista and xp
[10:46] <Persi> thanks smary, I was actually looking for specific details I might need to present, usually theres a default answer for a certain sympton
[10:46] <Persi> m
[10:47] <Persi> luckily I upgraded hehe
[10:47] <pitwalker> i not ask for intaller touching /dev=sda5 and sda6 but i  have errors
[10:47] <Persi> so all of a sudden anything freezes and only mouse pointer moves, no clicks though
[10:47] <pitwalker> i also have errors when /dev/sda5 is swap!!!!!!!
[10:48] <pitwalker> partition table is erified by fdisk!!!!!! dos complatibiliti flag is set!!!! what is wrong?
[10:48] <benedikt> hello @all
[10:48] <Persi> hello
[10:48] <topyli> error: too many exclamation marks. exiting
[10:49] <Persi> well I have none, do I deserve some attention?
[10:49] <Persi> or you meant exCiting?
[10:50] <youngmusic> Persi: can you still log into a console (CTRL+ALT+F1) and restart x?
[10:50] <pitwalker> why can i get only grub error 17 in numerous fresh installs and grub reinstalls????
[10:50] <benedikt> ive got a problem with my system, when i try to watch youtube videos, they seem to be stuck sometimes and the other thing is, that when i try to change my wallpaper, it fades quite slow and my hole system goes down for a second... glxinfo | grep direct = yes ... can someone help me please?
[10:50] <pitwalker> correction: hard disk error from grub when i reinstall it?
[10:50] <Persi> no I can`t!
[10:51] <benedikt> ok
[10:51] <pitwalker> live ext3 jyunty is good with this ich10 gygabyte motrerboard
[10:51] <youngmusic> persi: and what do the logs say?
[10:51] <Persi> no idea
[10:51] <Persi> but it keeps demanding a crash report when I log in back
[10:51] <youngmusic> persi: you better check those first. Probably there will be something in there about it
[10:51] <Persi> and I have to restart with a power button too
[10:52] <Persi> ok could you please direct me to them?
[10:52] <youngmusic> they're in /var/log
[10:53] <youngmusic> probably called Xorg.0.log
[10:53] <pitwalker> accidentally i have success, i create root ext3 fs with desktop installer :-)
[10:53] <pitwalker> bye
[10:54] <Persi> this specific file has nothing interesting to it
[10:55] <Persi> only reports of loaded drivers as i can see
[10:55] <youngmusic> no error?
[10:55] <Persi> no
[10:55] <youngmusic> and nothing in other logfiles?
[10:55] <Persi> like which? there are many
[10:56] <youngmusic> perhaps, messages, or debug, or syslog...
[10:56] <coz_> hey guys  I am getting  /usr/X11R6/bin/X "0 -br -audit 0 /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7 eating up nearly 50% cpu sine last update...any solutons?
[10:56] <youngmusic> it depends on what is generating the error, and since we don't know yet
[10:58] <youngmusic> well it could be in any of them, but unless you have a hardware related error, you system should be able to write something to a logfile that gives you a hint
[10:58] <Persi> Apr 10 04:54:32 1525 exiting on signal 15? in messages
[10:58] <janakaclk> Persi: do a "ls -ltr" in the logs dir and start from the last updated log file
[10:58] <janakaclk> Persi: may help... thats how i do
[10:59] <janakaclk> Persi: thats message is usually a crash.. whats above that?
[11:02] <Persi> hothing like that, I`ll try after the next one but no suspicious msgs in the past
[11:02] <Persi> besides that signal 15
[11:02] <youngmusic> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=398750&highlight=Exiting+on+signal+15
[11:02] <youngmusic> it does not give a solution though
[11:04] <youngmusic> Persi: what graphics driver do you use?
[11:04] <Persi> thx, I wish it were rebooting...
[11:04] <Persi> intel integrated I think
[11:05] <coz_> whoa this shot up to 78%
[11:06] <youngmusic> Persi: sorry, iḿ out of ideas and time. If i were you, i'd further explore those logfiles and google on everything you find suspicious. Good luk!
[11:06] <Persi> ok thank you
[11:11] <coz_> ok this is slowing my entire system to a crawl
[11:11] <coz_> /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7
[11:32] <kn100> hey guys, just wondering, just downloaded and burned and installed ubuntu 9.04, but how in the name of hell is it 4.2gb? whats new in it that takes up 4.2gb?
[11:32] <|ns|nR8> thats the dvd
[11:32] <|ns|nR8> not cd
[11:32] <|ns|nR8> just has lot of packages you can install from dvd
[11:32] <|ns|nR8> otherwise its the same
[11:33] <BrixSat> how can i make my ubuntu server connect to the net using pppoe and then share the internet over my network?
[11:33] <kn100> there are packages on the disk? awesome how do i get them?
[11:33] <libervisco> Hi, I did a netinstall of kubuntu jaunty from scratch and adding widgets to the panel doesn't work, clicking the "add widget" button shows the add widget window for a milisecond and then just disappears and nothing happens
[11:36] <kn100> thanks nsnr8
[11:37] <kn100> also any ubuntu devs in here, i gotta say, 9.04 boots fast as hell. on my crappy AMD sempron, 2gb ram, 250gb IDE hdd, it boots in about 14 seconds
[11:37] <kn100> so my congratulations, and i cant wait till release
[11:53] <SandGorgon> anyone know if it works with AMD Phenom II X4 - I am planning a cheap workhorse with PhenomII 920 and an el-cheapo graphics card to support two monitors with Ubuntu
[11:53] <SwedeMike> the processor is seldom the problem
[11:54] <SwedeMike> it's the components on the motherboard and gfx chip that cause problems
[11:59] <deany> anyone else using netbook (particularly dell mini9).  in 8.04 flash is smooth, but its a little jerky in jaunty UNR using flash10
[12:04] <kbmaniac> I know fglrx and jaunty don't work for ATI cards but does the open source driver as per https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver work or am I just getting confused ??!!??
[12:04] <kbmaniac> Tried it but no go for me, unsure if its just me doing something wrong
[12:13] <htrejh> hi
[12:14] <htrejh> wine crashes sometimes with this error (wel pusleaudio crashes): pcm_pulse.c:361: pulse_write: Assertion `pcm->stream' failed.
[12:14] <htrejh> what can i do?
[12:14] <|ns|nR8> tried changing sound options ?
[12:14] <|ns|nR8> pulse has to do with sound
[12:15] <|ns|nR8> you prolly already knew that
[12:15] <htrejh> yeah, tried everything
[12:15] <htrejh> and PA channel is dead today :p
[12:39] <Raylz> which package do i need so i can access system->settings->audio ?
[12:40] <maxb> System->Preferences->Sound ?
[12:40] <Ienorand> gnome-sound-properties?
[12:45] <maxb> On my Acer Aspire One, the default (gnome-power-manager?) screen blanking never seems to turn off the backlight. On the other hand, an "xset force dpms off" does. Any ideas if it's a bug, or just some setting I need to fiddle?
[12:46] <idefine> since upgrading to 9.04 from 8.10 my raid configuration is no longer detected and i come up to and initramfs boot, any ideas?
[12:46] <maxb> In fact dpms standby and suspend turn off the backlight too, so it looks like no DPMS is happening at all
[13:22] <antibody> hello I've read gnome 2.26 integrates fprintd, but I have no idea how to get it to work. I used the fprintd_demo and etc however it only works as root. can anyone help me?
[13:30] <cnwesleywang> my Thinkpad T60 with laster 9.04 version has no sound after the last upgrade,anybody meet same problem?
[13:30] <magcius> cnwesleywang, probably PulseAudio
[13:30] <cnwesleywang> so how to fix that?
[13:31] <cnwesleywang> or should I just wait?
[13:37] <msd> Hey folks
[13:37] <msd> I got a problem with 9.04
[13:37] <msd> acessing samba share
[13:37] <msd> I mounted it and was no problem
[13:37] <msd> its an mp3 dir
[13:38] <msd> I select -> By Artist -> Letter B -> BB.King [ERROR]
[13:38] <msd> The link xxxxx is broken, Move it to trash? The link cannot be used becuase xxxx does not exist
[13:38] <msd> i access it trough my vista laptop just fine, and also on the server its all good ...
[13:39] <msd> its always the 3rd layer where the error hits...
[13:40] <msd> those are symlinks created by an mp3 indexer, seems ubuntu doest like those ?
[13:49] <Ienorand> msd: Are these windows-created links?
[13:56] <msd> no
[13:56] <Ienorand> Is there an archive of daily lives somewhere? I'm interested in 6th/apr and onwards...
[13:56] <msd> they are created on debian
[13:56] <msd> etchnhalf
[13:56] <msd> i just read more about the problem
[13:56] <msd> it is defenately related to setting in serverside samba->
[13:57] <msd> follow symlinks = yes
[13:57] <msd> wide symlinks = yes
[13:57] <msd> unix extensions = no
[13:58] <msd> but this still didnt tackle the issue
[13:58] <msd> i need 9.04 to understand linux symlinks on a samba share
[13:59] <Ienorand> msd: Ok, sorry but you probably know more about the issue than me, I can haz no samba experience... And it seems not many are around here at this time.
[13:59] <msd> np
[14:00] <unixdawg_> ok who borked jaunty
[14:00] <Ienorand> As in what?
[14:00] <unixdawg_> the servers are slow this am
[14:25] <msd> I solved the problem after more reading
[14:25] <msd> if you cannot access samba symbolic links on a linux samba server
[14:25] <msd> ADD this to server side ->
[14:25] <msd> and only this line in the [global] area of samba.conf ->
[14:25] <msd> unix extensions = no
[14:27] <idefine> during boot up i will be thrown into an initramfs shell, where I have to type in mdadm -As to initiate my raid arrays then i type in exit, so I can continue to boot, why is my raid not being automatically initiated? and how can I go about fixing this? This happenned by upgrading to 9.04,
[14:29] <ActionParsnip> hey guys, is there a document detailing the difference between the server and desktop kernels
[14:30] <Ienorand> Is there an archive of daily lives somewhere? I'm interested in 6th/apr and onwards...
[14:32] <maxb> ActionParsnip: I suspect you'll have to resort to the kernel source package
[14:33] <ActionParsnip> maxb: i'm just curious of the differences, will the source contain some form of doc with the details?
[14:43] <maxb> No, but at least it will contain the configs used to build them, which you could diff
[15:10] <wirechief_> I need to work with someone on a Freeze affecting my laptop with intel945 mobil
[15:11] <thiebaude> wirechief does your x freeze?
[15:11] <wirechief_> thiebaude: yes i am documenting it right now
[15:11] <BUGabundo> wirechief yeah
[15:11] <wirechief_> thiebaude: i have ssh into the laptop and gotten logs
[15:11] <BUGabundo> did you get the logs that bryce asked?
[15:12] <BUGabundo> great
[15:12] <wirechief_> yes
[15:12] <BUGabundo> there is a great wiki page for that
[15:12] <wirechief_> was wondering if i can get anything else
[15:12] <thiebaude> yea i have the same problem, i can use 9.04 with 2.6.24-24 kernel only
[15:12] <wirechief_> i read the ubuntu digest this am from Bryce and followed it
[15:12] <thiebaude> with the newer kernels it freezes
[15:12] <wirechief_> yes.
[15:13] <thiebaude> wirechief did you try other kernels?
[15:13] <wirechief_> i am still trying to find the trigger of this event
[15:13] <BUGabundo> Linux blubug 2.6.28-11-generic #41-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 8 04:39:23 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[15:13] <wirechief_> i think i may have found the trigger but need more testing.
[15:14] <thiebaude> i wish i could use the 2.6.28 kernel
[15:14] <BUGabundo> if you find anything related to NVidia let me know :(
[15:14] <thiebaude> hi BUGabundo
[15:14] <wirechief_> BUGabundo: i could not get the apport-collect BUGID to finish without an issue
[15:15] <wirechief_> all it wanted to do was create a new bug
[15:15] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: ah?
[15:15] <BUGabundo> wirechief what new bug?
[15:15] <wirechief_> however i got all the logs that Bryce recommended
[15:15] <thiebaude> :)
[15:16] <wirechief_> I reported it initially on 359051
[15:16] <thiebaude> BUGabundo: i think its the same x freezing bug or bugs
[15:16] <wirechief_> yes the developer i worked with yesterday said it might actually be 357908
[15:17] <wirechief_> i gave him pastes of the files he wanted but now i have new ones with the crash in progress
[15:17] <BUGabundo> wirechief you mean cwillu ?
[15:18] <BUGabundo> bug 359051 357908
[15:18] <wirechief_> yes, i could not remember his nick
[15:18] <wirechief_> yes
[15:18] <thiebaude> thats it
[15:19] <wirechief_> i will see if i can upload the logs
[15:19] <BUGabundo> bug 357908
[15:20] <thiebaude> BUGabundo: x freezes then of course the mouse is then frozen, but only on the newer kernels, not 2.6.24-24generic
[15:21] <BUGabundo> .24 is to old
[15:21] <thiebaude> yea i know, but thats the only way to log into 9.04, until a fix
[15:21] <BUGabundo> is it reported?
[15:21] <BUGabundo> is any dev working on it?
[15:22] <thiebaude> yea, i seen all the different bugs on x freezing
[15:23] <thiebaude> BUGabundo: yes
[15:23] <thiebaude> and im using intel 815
[15:24] <BUGabundo> ahh that card...
[15:24] <BUGabundo> I remember now
[15:24] <thiebaude> haha
[15:24] <BUGabundo> #X ignored my request for help
[15:25] <Ienorand> Is there an archive of daily lives somewhere? I'm interested in 6th/apr and onwards...
[15:26] <BUGabundo> Ienorand: nope! only last 3 days
[15:26] <BUGabundo> or the DVDs that can be older
[15:26] <BUGabundo> only get built every 4 days
[15:26] <BUGabundo> check cdimage
[15:27] <Ienorand> BUGabundo: DVD is today, and CD is 10th... bleh
[15:29] <BUGabundo> and the older ones?
[15:29] <BUGabundo> ahh just today
[15:29] <BUGabundo> guess the purged it
[15:29]  * Ienorand *mumbles
[15:35] <BrianR___> When running 'update-manager -d' to do an upgrade to 9.04, I'm getting the message http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty-security/multiverse/binary-lpia/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[15:35] <Tumie> with wich command, can i show a message,, (like pidgin does when somebody says something)
[15:35] <Tumie> ??
[15:35] <BrianR___> The box lists each of main/restricted/universe/multiverse
[15:37] <BrianR___> No security updates for LPIA yet?
[15:42] <enf0rce> BrianR___: Is there any difference between LPIA and i386 on a netbook?
[15:42] <BUGabundo> BrianR___: of course not
[15:42] <BUGabundo> everything lands in Main for now
[15:43] <BUGabundo> Tumie: humm there is a cli version for OSD... can't remember the command
[15:43] <enf0rce> On question, lpia is recommended for intel atom systems?
[15:43] <BUGabundo> enf0rce: i386 runs as well
[15:44] <BUGabundo> I think LPIA is for low voltage devices (like handhelps) but I may be wrong
[15:44] <patarok> hello!
[15:44] <patarok> could somebody tell me why it is no more possible to open a login with ctrl+alt+f1 in kubuntu 9.04? i always get a black screen..
[15:44] <BUGabundo> patarok: hi
[15:44] <enf0rce> BUGabundo: shure, i'm on i386 now. Bute the download page says "For devices using the Low-Power Intel Architecture, including the A1xx and Atom processors."
[15:45] <BUGabundo> I know. I read it too
[15:45] <mxboy15u1> hello
[15:45] <patarok> hi
[15:46] <enf0rce> So if i have an intel atom, this version might be better than i386 ?
[15:46] <mxboy15u1> i have an atheros wireless card with the latest backports installed, but i am still experiencing unstable wireless, and the weird thing is it starts very slow and gets faster the longer i use the computer
[15:46] <BUGabundo> enf0rce: I can't tell you what the Correct version is... I just know i386 runs on it
[15:46] <BUGabundo> mxboy15u1: file a bug or ask on #ubuntu-kernel ?
[15:47] <enf0rce> okay. I'm going to test it.
[15:47] <mxboy15u1> ok, so this is more a kernal issue than a driver issue?
[15:47] <BUGabundo> mxboy15u1: drivers are in the kernel !?
[15:47] <BUGabundo> eheh
[15:47] <mxboy15u1> ok thanks
[15:49] <BrianR___> enf0rce: Apparently do-release-upgrade barfs if the security updates directory doesn't exist on the web site.
[15:49] <Tekno_> what program is good for burning mp3 to cd-audio
[15:50] <BrianR___> I've been running 8.10 lpia on this Dell mini 9
[15:51] <kangarooo> can anyone tell me what for is dailly isos for? i downloaded yesterday dailly ubuntu 9.04 and installed just today but still i downloaded new 333 MB of updates
[15:51] <BUGabundo> BrianR___: try to comment if from sources
[15:51] <BUGabundo> kangarooo: its normal!
[15:51] <BUGabundo> we get lots of updates every day while in devel branch
[15:52] <kangarooo> i thought that if ill download todays dailly iso then i wont need update..
[15:52] <BUGabundo> the daily are for testing and users to install latest build
[15:52] <BUGabundo> LOLOLOLOLOL
[15:52] <enf0rce_> Daily Ubuntu (Jaunty) is under development, thats the reason for the lots of updates
[15:52] <BUGabundo> I do updates 4x a day
[15:53] <enf0rce_> BrianR___: Do you feel any difference between i386 and lpia?
[15:53] <BrianR___> BUGabundo: commenting out the 8.10 security lines before running the upgrader seemed to help.
[15:53] <BUGabundo> great
[15:53] <BrianR___> enf0rce_: Don't know - haven't tried this system any other way
[15:54] <BrianR___> It shipped with a dell branded 8.04, but the kernel was compiled with 1MB ram max, so I wound up loading 8.10 lpia
[15:54] <enf0rce_> BrianR___: ah okay. Any disadvantages?
[15:55] <BrianR___> enf0rce_: Umm.. That suspend thing that does both disk and ram?
[15:55] <BrianR___> uswsuspend3 or whatever it's called?
[15:55] <BrianR___> It's missing in lpia
[15:55] <enf0rce_> Ah okay.
[15:56] <BrianR___> and a few odd packages are missing, like the dos box stuff.
[15:56] <enf0rce_> BrianR___: Are they getting ported or will they stay missing?
[15:56] <enf0rce_> (sorry for my bad english) :-\
[15:57] <BrianR___> enf0rce_: I think it's ftbs and soem packages have architecture: i386 set even though they're appropriate for all ia32 varient processors.
[15:57] <kangarooo> grr ok so i have 2 bugs. 1st is in xubuntu 9.04 there is programm called gigolo so you can mount shares and other hard drives of the same computer but mounting is not working- error.
[15:57] <BrianR___> I should probably open more bugs.
[15:57] <BUGabundo> I have to use uswsusp
[15:58] <BUGabundo> its the only way to get a FAST resume
[15:58] <BUGabundo> and compressed hibernate image
[15:58] <wirechief_> BUGabundo: ok i have uploaded all my logs to the launchpad bug 359051
[15:58] <BrianR___> compressed hibernate image would help me..
[15:58] <BrianR___> Not sure if any of that got fixed in 9.04
[15:58] <enf0rce_> Going to try it in around ~30mins
[15:59] <BrianR___> since this box has a ssd and I only carved out about 600mb for swap
[15:59] <BrianR___> there's 2gb of ram, so sometimes it will fail to hibernate
[15:59] <BUGabundo> heheh
[15:59] <BUGabundo> BrianR___: even with that, compression won't help you
[16:00] <BUGabundo> you will need more
[16:00] <BrianR___> It's actually successful with suprising frequency
[16:00]  * wirechief_ pours a cup of coffee and reflects on this issue
[16:00] <BrianR___> since all shared executable pages are discarded, as are buffers/cache
[16:01] <BUGabundo> humm
[16:01] <BUGabundo> running $ sync may help too
[16:01] <BrianR___> so it only fails when there's >2gb of data
[16:01] <BrianR___> err.. >600mb of data
[16:01] <BrianR___> I think regular suspend does a sync before doing its thing
[16:02] <enf0rce_> So lpia isn't offical yet but will be official with jaunty release?
[16:02] <BrianR___> not sure
[16:02] <BrianR___> It's still on ports.ubuntu.com
[16:02] <BUGabundo> BrianR___: I don't think so
[16:02] <BUGabundo> I notice it is diff if I ran it manually
[16:03] <YixilTesiphon> Is there no way to downgrade kernels?
[16:03] <YixilTesiphon> tried deleting the existing kernel and installing an old one from cache, but I get permission denied
[16:03] <enf0rce_> YixilTesiphon: you could install an older kernel image
[16:03] <BrianR___> mm.. 20mbps fttp link is nice.
[16:03] <YixilTesiphon> enf0rce_: that's what I want to do; how do I
[16:03] <enf0rce_> YixilTesiphon: just search an older kernel .deb :)
[16:04] <BUGabundo> YixilTesiphon: if you get permission probs you are doing it wrong
[16:04] <gnomefreak> vega: synaptic should have older kernels in it depends on version you want
[16:04] <enf0rce_> Maybe a kernel from ubuntu intrepid or ubuntu hardy :)
[16:04] <wirechief_> cwillu i have a freeze in progress, i have uploaded logs to bug 359051
[16:04] <gnomefreak> virtuald: to remove kernel use synaptic or if you just want to remove it from grub edit grub as root
[16:04] <YixilTesiphon> enf0rce_: the jaunty kernel I installed with on the 5th worked fine, problem is that the new one's snd_hda_intel module is broken
[16:05] <YixilTesiphon> BUGabundo: I know that, but how do I avoid those problems
[16:05] <enf0rce_> Desktop freeze 2.6.8.11 mustn't it be Desktop freeze 2.6.28.11?
[16:07] <BrianR___> worth a try I suppose
[16:08] <BrianR___> If there wasn't a sync() on hibernate there would be a horrible potential for dataloss if the system failed to resume
[16:08] <BrianR___> should proll open a bug on that too
[16:11] <GillesM> hello I have some screen display problems sometime I have part of screen snowing ...
[16:12] <BUGabundo> GillesM: does $ xrandr --auto help?
[16:12] <tuxFan> cant read DVDs in jaunty, any ideas
[16:12] <BUGabundo> tuxFan: what prog?
[16:13] <tuxFan> well both totem and xine
[16:13] <tuxFan> movie starts but  then error
[16:13] <GillesM> BUGabundo:  I don't know :)
[16:13] <GillesM> let me try
[16:13] <patarok> forget totetm and xine use dragon player
[16:14] <tuxFan> dragon?
[16:14] <GillesM> BUGabundo:  no it doesn't fix
[16:15] <BUGabundo> ohh wirechief filled my inbox
[16:15] <BUGabundo> tuxFan: do you have CSS installed?
[16:15] <tuxFan> yes
[16:16] <YixilTesiphon> ok, installed old kernel...let's see how this goes
[16:16] <gnomefreak> i had link to Intrepid kernel in Jaunty but cant find it now. Its on the printer bug
[16:16] <tuxFan> the error in xine says ,   " the source cant be read maybe you dont have enough rights for this or source doesn't contain datta
[16:16] <tuxFan> eg not disc in drive
[16:17] <gnomefreak> do you get the error when a disk is in the drive?
[16:17] <tuxFan> nope
[16:17] <tuxFan> only with dvds
[16:17] <tuxFan> I can burn , and acces data
[16:17] <BrianR___> Is it a DVD drive?
[16:18] <tuxFan> yep,
[16:18] <tuxFan> just to work
[16:18] <tuxFan> with intrepid
[16:18] <tuxFan> all good
[16:18] <gnomefreak> all dvds do this
[16:18] <tuxFan> yes
[16:19] <tuxFan> totem error its  ,  " An error ocurred "  Could not read from resource
[16:20] <gnomefreak> is it only that one player?
[16:20] <gnomefreak> lol neverminsd
[16:20] <tuxFan> both , xine and totem
[16:20] <YixilTesiphon1> ok, if a kernel problem isn't the source of this error, what is?
[16:20] <YixilTesiphon1> FATAL: Error inserting snd_hda_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.28-11-generic/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[16:20] <gnomefreak> i had that error in Intrepid dev cycle but dont rmeember how i fixed it
[16:21] <gnomefreak> sound card?
[16:21] <BrianR___> unknown parameter ,maybe in /etc/modprobe.d?
[16:21] <YixilTesiphon1> gnomefreak: ati rs780 auzalia
[16:22] <BrianR___> grep snd-hda-intel /etc/modprobe.d/*
[16:22] <gnomefreak> your sound card is ati? not intel?
[16:22] <YixilTesiphon1> /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base:options snd-hda-intel enable_msi=1
[16:22] <YixilTesiphon1> /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf:options snd-hda-intel enable_msi=1
[16:22] <tuxFan> dragon its for KDe ?
[16:22] <BrianR___> try commenting out the enable_msi part
[16:23] <YixilTesiphon1> gnomefreak: 01:05.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc RS780 Azalia controller
[16:23] <BrianR___> (put a # in front of it)
[16:23] <gnomefreak> ok brb trying to break things :)
[16:23] <Ienorand> tuxFan: Here totem just locks up, vlc complains about not being able to read...
[16:23] <gnomefreak> virtuald: try BrianR___'s way im about to trash my system
[16:23] <YixilTesiphon1> BrianR___: the entire line? that is the entire alsa_base file
[16:23] <wirechief_> enf0rce_ you are right i have made a change to the title  must of been a typo
[16:24] <BrianR___> jus the enable_msi part
[16:24] <BrianR___> if you run modinfo snd-hda-intel it will list the valid parameters - I,m guessing that's not one.
[16:24] <tuxFan> ok guys im out ..
[16:24] <YixilTesiphon1> so make the line options snd-hda-intel # enable_msi=1
[16:24] <BrianR___> yeah
[16:24] <XiXaQ> jaunty is faster than intrepid, but does it use less ram too?
[16:25] <YixilTesiphon1> BrianR___: creating that line (and that file) was what fixed the sound on my original install, but I guess it's possible that updates have made it useless
[16:25] <BUGabundo> XiXaQ: I know its faster
[16:25] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[16:25] <BUGabundo> but I never compared RAM usage
[16:25] <BrianR___> if it still doesn't work, then the driver is failing to load for some reason besides your module config
[16:25] <BrianR___> (like maybe your card is no longer compatible or the driver is broken in this kernel)
[16:26] <YixilTesiphon1> BrianR___: well, I would have thought that going back one kernel would have fixed that, but it didn't
[16:26] <YixilTesiphon1> do I need to restart or should it work now?
[16:27] <BrianR___> now try "sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel" and see if it loads
[16:27] <BrianR___> should probably reboot to make sure it comes up cleanly too, but no need to reboot just to test
[16:27] <YixilTesiphon1> nope, same error, BrianR___
[16:27] <YixilTesiphon1> will reboot and see if that helps anything, brb
[16:28] <enf0rce_> Ubuntu lpia doesnt boot on samsung nc10 :-\
[16:28] <BrianR___> nc10 has an atom?
[16:28] <enf0rce_> BrianR___: Yes
[16:28] <BrianR___> bummer.
[16:28] <enf0rce_> But the harddrive isn't recogniced
[16:28] <BrianR___> Aah.
[16:29] <BrianR___> I may wind up reinstalling i386 to get the new swsuspend stuff.
[16:29] <wirechief_> BUG
[16:30] <BUGabundo> wirechief me ?
[16:30] <YixilTesiphon> no change, BrianR___
[16:30] <YixilTesiphon> is the next step doing a clean install and hoping I can get it back to when it worked?
[16:30] <wirechief_> yes i have dual boot on that computer that is freezeing
[16:30] <BrianR___> could purge/reinstall module-init-tools, but I'm just guessing at this point.
[16:31] <wirechief_> i have kanotix on another partition and it never freezes, i use ubutu kernels on that distro
[16:31] <YixilTesiphon> eh. better than doing a complete reinstall.
[16:31] <lanoxx-> i was wondering, will it be possible in jaunty to use opengl apps if compositing is activated?
[16:31] <wirechief_> BUGabundo: i wonder if there could be information gotten as to the version i use on it so we know what works
[16:31] <YixilTesiphon> BrianR___: I have the list of package installations which broke sound, would that help?
[16:32] <wirechief_> BUGabundo: kanotix is basically run by the same kernels as Ubuntu
[16:32] <BrianR___> YixilTesiphon: I'm not enough of a guru to help you with that part, aside from general troubleshooting. Maybe file a bug in LP?
[16:33] <YixilTesiphon> BrianR___: yeah, I did that
[16:33] <YixilTesiphon> I should probably change it now that i know it wasn't the kernel
[16:33] <YixilTesiphon> there's no way for Synaptic to just change the system to the way it was before 9:35 yesterday morning, is there?
[16:34] <wirechief_> BUGabundo: i think it uses 2.6.28.5 or maybe .ll at the moment
[16:35] <BrianR___> YixilTesiphon: If you had the output of dplg -l, maybe.
[16:35] <wirechief_> BUGabundo: i think it uses 2.6.28.5
[16:36] <YixilTesiphon> BrianR___: command not found?
[16:36] <BrianR___> ba package manager version history / undo feature would be a nifty idea though
[16:36] <BrianR___> err.. I meant dpkg -l, but you'd need it from before you messed up the system :)
[16:36] <virtuald> the screen saver locked up, the enter password dialog didn't show up. i had to press alt-sysrq-k to get control back
[16:36] <wirechief_> BUGabundo: however, its i386 not 64bit ;(
[16:36] <virtuald> this has happened to me before
[16:37] <BrianR___> Hmm.. Makes me ponder how to press sysreq on my netbook...
[16:37] <virtuald> is there no pause key?
[16:37] <YixilTesiphon> BrianR___: well it's easy enough to change it back, just have to take of lock version on the kernel and install all updates
[16:37] <BrianR___> virtuald: nah.
[16:37] <virtuald> o.o
[16:38] <BrianR___> no f11 or f12 either :(
[16:38] <virtuald> so you have to rebind the full screen shortcut
[16:39] <BUGabundo> wirechief I can't help you out any more
[16:39] <BrianR___> Yeah.. Does drive me nuts occasionally. I have menu set as a shortcut to the window manager's full screen mode, but I always wind up using the menu keyboard shortcuts to get the no toolbars no borders mode in firefox..
[16:40] <wirechief_> BUGabundo: ok well looks like we have run over this thing enough
[16:40] <BrianR___> I guess there's a bios upgrade that would make fn-z be f11 and fn-x be f12, but it's one of those silly load in dos things I haven't gotten around to making a isolinux/memdisk cd for
[16:40] <BrianR___> no floppy drive on this box either
[16:41] <BrianR___> I do keep an external usb cdrom handy though
[16:41] <deany> time to try one of these daily isos out...
[16:41] <deany> BrianR___, what netbook
[16:41] <BrianR___> would be nice if they somehow exposed the fn key more generally, as it's useful to have an additional modifier to use when binding shortcuts for missing keys
[16:42] <BrianR___> deany: dell mini 9
[16:42] <deany> :)   z and x are f11/F12
[16:42] <BrianR___> deany: Only w9ith bios a03 and later
[16:42] <BrianR___> In order bioses, hitting fn-z is z
[16:42] <deany> well update it
[16:43] <BrianR___> deany: Requries a reboot into dos environment, etc... Project for another day.
[16:43] <deany> http://mydellmini.com/forum/mini-9-ubuntu-beginner%CA%B9s-guide-t3542.html  /  http://www.ubuntumini.com/2009/03/installing-ubuntu-netbook-remix-in.html
[16:43] <BrianR___> deany: They don't provide any bios newer than a02 for the linux upgrader
[16:44] <deany> info in 1at link to make usb boot key
[16:44] <deany> to flash
[16:44] <BrianR___> Aah. Ok.
[16:45] <BrianR___> I usually do those with sys/iso/pxelinux and memdisk, just haven't gotten around to it.
[16:45] <deany> 1at=1st
[16:45] <BrianR___> I don't reboot much :)
[16:45] <deany> mine came with A04 :) tho its only a few weeks old
[16:45] <deany> £179 it had to be bought..
[16:46] <deany> just wish I could get jaunty to shut up askin for a password for wifi when connecting.. it doesnt ask when i turn off WPA and show BSSID
[16:46] <BrianR___> deany: awesome.
[16:47] <BrianR___> deany: I got mine shortly agfter they came out, spent $450
[16:47] <BUGabundo> deany: easy
[16:47] <BUGabundo> use the same pass for login and keyring
[16:47] <deany> its a very nice little beauty
[16:47] <BrianR___> prolly buy another for my wife when she breaks her big laptop
[16:47] <deany> DOH!
[16:48] <BrianR___> I did get the maximum configuration too, and that includes some $$I spent at newegg for a 2gb dimm
[16:48] <deany> i`ll try it later..
[16:48] <BrianR___> the webcam is convenient to have built in, but not great quality.
[16:48] <BrianR___> the factory bluetooth does work exceptionally well though,a nd it's nice not to waste a usb port
[16:49] <deany> Also, not sure if its because its beta but, flash (adobe-flashplugin package and tried download tar.gz from adobe too) is a little jerky.. whereas in 8.04 its smooth..
[16:49] <BrianR___> deany: I use the thing as my primary workstation
[16:50] <deany> can watch movies with totem plugin smooth as silk too.. fullscreen..   streaming from a-cough-site...
[16:50] <deany> shame google-earth is totally useless on it..
[16:51] <BrianR___> deany: hadn't tried. It was marginal on my d620 (core2duo w/ intel gma)
[16:51] <BUGabundo> deany: ehehehe
[16:51] <deany> cool.. you got jaunty on it?
[16:53] <deany> hope you didnt make a swap partition ...     few little tips here too http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/09/04/four-tweaks-for-using-linux-with-solid-state-drives/  .  I like the /tmp in ram idea..  all saves write cycles i guess.
[16:55] <BrianR___> deany: I have a swap partition for hibernation
[16:56] <Alan> How does one enable bitmap fonts in Jaunty?  In intrepid you used to be able to do 'dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config'
[16:56] <BrianR___> it looks like all serverside font stuff is going away in X...
[16:56] <BrianR___> kind of a bummer if you do a lot of X over TCP stuff, but...
[16:57] <deany> BrianR___, not really advised, tho i dont know how much wear it causes...  it came from dell without one as well... must mean something
[16:57] <deany> suspend works suprisinly well, and fast...
[16:57] <BrianR___> I doubt I'll wear it out before it's obsolete anyway
[16:58] <BrianR___> deany: Yeah, but doesn't make it through the weekend
[16:59] <BrianR___> I've racked up some pretty impressive write cycles on the intel x25's.. Granted the stec in this mini9 is a whole different animal, but I'm not worried.
[16:59] <ysis> Hi. I'm using the Kubuntu Jaunty Beta and try to change my clock to a 24h one, but can't find the appropriate setting.
[16:59] <Alan> Oooh, i think i found out how!
[17:00] <BrianR___> Also running encrypted lvm...
[17:00] <BrianR___> so I have a somewhat unusual install
[17:01] <BrianR___> hibernated is better than suspended if the thing gets stolen
[17:02] <eagles0513875> anyone else having certain websites cause konqueror to lock up
[17:03] <deany> really, what is with "Warning: This image is oversized (which is a bug) and will not fit onto a standard 700MB CD"
[17:03] <deany> jaunty daily
[17:04] <deany> schollboy mistakes.
[17:05] <XiXaQ> deany, that's a pretty descriptive message, isn't it?
[17:05] <BUGabundo> deany: it has more then 700MiBs
[17:05] <BUGabundo> so it won't fit on a CD
[17:06] <BUGabundo> no bug... it just happens
[17:06] <XiXaQ> that's a bug.
[17:06] <BUGabundo> image admins only care about size for mile stones
[17:06] <BUGabundo> XiXaQ: no it is not
[17:06] <BUGabundo> daily images are NOT meant to always fit on CDs
[17:06] <XiXaQ> BUGabundo, a cd image that can't be written to a cd is an obvious bug.
[17:06] <BUGabundo> they are used on VM or usbsticks
[17:06] <BUGabundo> XiXaQ: no it is not...
[17:06] <BrianR___> or dvds :)
[17:06] <XiXaQ> BUGabundo, ok then.
[17:07] <BrianR___> or if it's just a little large, on blanks that can be overburned
[17:08] <PhotoJim> the daily images are just temporary.
[17:08] <PhotoJim> hence "daily". :)
[17:08] <PhotoJim> they'll make sure the final release fits on a CD.
[17:10] <XiXaQ> obviously.
[17:10] <BUGabundo> as they do for any mile stone
[17:10] <BUGabundo> like beta, rc etc
[17:10] <XiXaQ> if it's not a bug, how come the download page sais it is?
[17:11] <PhotoJim> it is a bug.  but it's not one they're spending massive time fixing, until the final release date comes along.
[17:11] <Daisuke-Ido> well then they already know it, so you don't need to keep going on about it, huh?
[17:11] <PhotoJim> besides, there's an easy workaround.  install Intrepid.  Update it to Jaunty.
[17:11] <Daisuke-Ido> or download the beta cd, and update it
[17:11] <BUGabundo> PhotoJim: bad choice LOL
[17:11] <Daisuke-Ido> install & update*
[17:11] <BUGabundo> again not the best choice
[17:12] <BUGabundo> usbstick is the easiest way
[17:12] <BUGabundo> or minimal install
[17:12] <PhotoJim> Yes, minimal would be my preferred method.
[17:12] <PhotoJim> or burn to DVD.  Some do that.
[17:12] <XiXaQ> PhotoJim, actually, no. I have an older laptop on which I can't install intrepid. I can install jaunty though, but I downloaded the daily so I didn't have to install all the upgrades afterwards, but it wouldn't fit on a cd. That's not important to me, though, as I use DVDs.
[17:13] <XiXaQ> I think the download page could say that you can still use a DVD for it.
[17:13] <PhotoJim> XiXaQ: how old is your laptop that Intrepid won't work on it, but Jaunty will?
[17:13] <XiXaQ> 1999 about. 450MHz with 128MB RAM.
[17:14] <XiXaQ> intrepid had some regressions on hardware support. I couldn't use my external hdd, for instance.
[17:14] <BUGabundo> XiXaQ: no USB pen?
[17:14] <PhotoJim> weird.
[17:14] <XiXaQ> BUGabundo, yes, but it can't boot from usb.
[17:14] <BUGabundo> 128??? it won't run GNOME
[17:14] <PhotoJim> Can you put more RAM in that system?  :)
[17:15] <XiXaQ> no.
[17:15] <PhotoJim> 128 is max?
[17:15] <XiXaQ> yes, GNOME runs fine.
[17:15] <BUGabundo> define Fine ?
[17:15] <BUGabundo> I have several OLD pcs next to me
[17:15] <XiXaQ> uhm... Without problems?
[17:15] <PhotoJim> BUGabundo: if the user can tolerate it, it's fine. :)
[17:15] <BUGabundo> and I have to run either xubuntu or puppy
[17:15] <PhotoJim> That would not be fine for me.  but a PII-333 with 384 MB runs Intrepid fine.  (I got rid of it before trying Jaunty.)
[17:15] <XiXaQ> actually, I'll install lxde on it.
[17:16] <PhotoJim> my old server (PII-333 with 768 MB RAM) is about to be de-deployed.  I'm going to try Jaunty on it for giggles.  with that much RAM I expect it to be tolerable for office and web apps.
[17:17] <XiXaQ> of course. That's more than sufficient.
[17:17] <BUGabundo> PhotoJim: should be fine
[17:18] <BUGabundo> on boot it requires around 350MiBs
[17:18] <PhotoJim> I expect it will be.
[17:18] <XiXaQ> and you can greatly reduce that by installing lxde.
[17:18] <PhotoJim> I'm not familiar with lxde.
[17:19] <PhotoJim> What is it about?
[17:19] <XiXaQ> Light-Weight X11 Desktop Environment.
[17:19] <PhotoJim> oh, ok.
[17:19] <XiXaQ> it's lightning fast and very light
[17:19] <PhotoJim> I've played with IceWM on really light machines.
[17:19] <XiXaQ> LXDE uses OpenBOX.
[17:21] <PhotoJim> worth a look.
[17:21] <PhotoJim> I'm going to try that machine with full Gnome first though.  it will be interesting.
[17:22] <Zorix> so why doesnt video previews work in dolphin on kubuntu jaunty?
[17:24] <rwest> during installation of 64 bit jaunty beta, I repeatedly get "the following file did not match its source copy on the cd/dvd" errors no matter which computer or what type of media I used to burn the dvd
[17:24] <rwest> anyone else seen this?
[17:24] <dtchen> for people still experiencing audio glitches (not mute issues!), i'll have test kernels up shortly on kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen
[17:24] <PhotoJim> bad download?
[17:24] <rwest> I've downloaded it literally 12 times now
[17:25] <deany> beta iso or a daily iso?
[17:25] <charlie-tca> rwest: not here, did the DVD pass the integrity check ?
[17:25] <XiXaQ> rwest, have you checked the md5 sums?
[17:25] <rwest> yes
[17:25] <rwest> it passed the check
[17:25] <rwest> and its the beta iso
[17:25] <rwest> I even ran two memchecks as well
[17:25] <deany> if ya gonna install it might as well use a daily iso, save you a lot of updating
[17:25] <rwest> I've also reburned it 8 times and I would have done it more but I ran out of discs
[17:26] <rwest> I didn't know if those were just the updated version
[17:26] <rwest> I have one of those from the 28th and it gave the same errors so I stopped downloading them
[17:26] <rwest> this issue is just bizarre
[17:26] <deany> i used one on a usb stick this morning
[17:26] <PhotoJim> rwest: you can use rewriteable discs you know :)
[17:27] <Zorix> use unetbootin so you dont have to burn discs
[17:27] <deany> if you have a stick, id suggest using it, if not, get one :)
[17:27] <rwest> I tried it from my usb but got the same error
[17:27] <BrianR___> sticks and rewritables are your friend
[17:27] <rwest> so I could just maybe install from the net?
[17:27] <BrianR___> or if you have a more complex setup, pxe boot server
[17:27] <rwest> like I do with debian?
[17:27] <BrianR___> or loading iso images inside a VM :)
[17:27] <deany> make an iso from one of your discs and md5 it , it should match the iso you downloaded
[17:28] <deany> will give you good indication of good burn, or bad
[17:33] <jway> how do I check whether my kernel was compiled with CONFIG_MODULE_FORCE_UNLOAD set?
[17:33] <BUGabundo> humm
[17:33] <BUGabundo> you grep the mod list?
[17:33] <BrianR___> jway: /boot/config-zxxx, where xxx is the kernel you're running
[17:34] <jway> BrianR___, thanks
[17:35] <dashboard> hi guys
[17:35] <dashboard> is there any known bug with su on jaunty? I can't change users, either using sudo or su
[17:35] <PhotoJim> su doesn't work on a default Ubuntu installation.
[17:35] <PhotoJim> sudo should work.
[17:36] <PhotoJim> oh wait, might work to change users.
[17:36] <PhotoJim> let me try.
[17:37] <PhotoJim> yeah, it works on my system to change to another normal user.
[17:37] <PhotoJim> you can't su root though, without trickery that is apparently not recommended.
[17:37] <dashboard> i set a root password
[17:37] <dashboard> the thing is
[17:37] <PhotoJim> I did too, but people waggle their fingers at you when they find out you did that.
[17:37] <dashboard> 'sudo whoami'
[17:37] <dashboard> asks for my password
[17:37] <dashboard> and then outputs nothing
[17:37] <PhotoJim> you have a problem.  don't know what it is though.
[17:37] <PhotoJim> definitely should output "root".
[17:38] <jway> BrianR___, would you happen to know how I toggle the module_force_unload option upon compilation?
[17:38] <dashboard> yup
[17:38] <dashboard> and because of that i can't do any operation that requires root privileges
[17:38] <dashboard> namely update packages (except via recovery mode, which I already did)
[17:38] <BUGabundo> dashboard: let me try
[17:39] <BUGabundo> root
[17:39] <PhotoJim> are you in group "admin"?
[17:39] <BUGabundo> dashboard: pastebin $ groups
[17:39] <dashboard> I am
[17:39] <dashboard> but I'll paste it anyway, just a sec
[17:40] <BUGabundo> or reply to PhotoJim
[17:40] <BUGabundo> I just want the same thing
[17:40] <dashboard> casa admn dialout cdrom floppy sudo audio dip video plugdev fuse lpadmin admin sambashare
[17:40] <dashboard> 'casa' is my user
[17:41] <BUGabundo> humm admn ????
[17:41] <dashboard> i added 'adm' and 'sudo' groups
[17:41] <dashboard> typo, sorry
[17:41] <CaMason> hi guys. I'm having trouble getting my touchpad to work in 9.04 after an upgrade
[17:41] <BUGabundo> looks fine to me
[17:42] <CaMason> I had a problem with kernel and xorg after upgrade, so I've recently reinstalled kernel and reconfigured xorg, and the pad isn't working
[17:42] <dashboard> this is really weird
[17:42] <dashboard> the thing is
[17:43] <dashboard> if I try to su to root it's the exact same thing
[17:43] <dashboard> it asks for root password (not the user password), and then outputs absolutely nothing
[17:44] <XiXaQ> why are you using su?
[17:45] <dashboard> I wanted to check if I could access root via su, since with sudo it wasn't working
[17:45] <KRF> !su
[17:45] <Duckthis> Who know a program that I could use PPP connection ? (Phone connection)
[17:45] <BUGabundo> Duckthis: NM can do it
[17:46] <BUGabundo> and kvpn
[17:46] <BUGabundo> and there's another but I fail to remember its name
[17:46] <Duckthis> Ok but If none recognize my modem?
[17:46] <dashboard> wvdial
[17:47] <BUGabundo> dashboard: that's it
[17:47] <BUGabundo> Duckthis: what modem is it?
[17:47] <BUGabundo> it should popup on dmesg
[17:47] <BUGabundo> is it analog, 3G, usb?
[17:48] <Duckthis> Onboard
[17:48] <Duckthis> 56k
[17:48] <BUGabundo> ahh
[17:48] <BUGabundo> you need the driver
[17:48] <BUGabundo> is it available on Jockey?
[17:48] <Duckthis> I do not know.
[17:48] <Duckthis> It's for my friends computer
[17:49] <benedikt> hi
[17:49] <PhotoJim> not all winmodems are supported on Linux, and most built-in modems are winmodems
[17:50] <Duckthis> I've found "agrsm20080203.tar.gz" but I do not know how to compile it.
[17:50] <PhotoJim> and those that are supported aren't well supported
[17:50] <PhotoJim> winmodems are, frankly, crap :)
[17:50] <BUGabundo> Duckthis: you better use a deb
[17:50] <BUGabundo> check if it is in Hardware and drivers
[17:50] <benedikt> ive got a problem, when i try to watch flash videos, eg youtube, the seem to be stuck sometimes and the hole system takes a second or 2, then it resumes... its really slow... what could this be?
[17:50] <Duckthis> BUGabundo: I do not found any.. ;(
[17:51] <benedikt> ive got an ati videocard, 32bit system
[17:51] <BUGabundo> if not, enable the backport repo, and refresh synaptic to see if there is a kernel backport with it
[17:51] <PhotoJim> benedikt: how much RAM?
[17:51] <benedikt> PhotoJim: 512mb
[17:51] <eegore> what is the reason I would have blocked updates
[17:51] <PhotoJim> benedikt: that's a reasonable amount.  that shouldn't be the issue.
[17:51] <Duckthis> BUGabudo: How do I enable backport?
[17:51] <BUGabundo> if all fails, lspci the pc, and get the modem UID and google it for a PPA or ubutnuforums with a deb or steps
[17:51] <BUGabundo> benedikt: I have the same
[17:51] <dashboard> more info: I created another user on that machine, tried to sudo and su to other users (root or casa)
[17:51] <dashboard> and none worked
[17:52] <BUGabundo> I'm downloading dtchen latest kernels to test to see if it fixes it
[17:52] <dashboard> which leads me to the conclusion that my installation is absolutely borked :|
[17:52] <Duckthis> BUGabudo: sudo apt-get install linux-backports-modules-jaunty?
[17:52] <benedikt> BuGabundo: thats quite bad, thought there was a solution
[17:52] <BUGabundo> eegore: stuff still building wait a bit
[17:52] <BUGabundo>  !backports
[17:53] <PhotoJim> Duckthis: laptop, desktop, ...?
[17:53] <eegore> what is the reason I would have blocked updates here is the output with my pastebin of message and sources list :http://pastebin.com/m75fdc2c0
[17:53] <BUGabundo> benedikt: bug 345627  kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen
[17:53] <BUGabundo> eegore: don't do partial upgrades
[17:53] <Duckthis> PhotoJim: One laptop and one desktop using Ubuntu at the moment.
[17:53] <benedikt> BUGabundo: what means this?
[17:53] <eegore> BUGabundo: do a frfesh install?
[17:54] <BUGabundo> calm down guys
[17:54] <PhotoJim> Duckthis: not practical for laptops, but desktops with real serial ports can use external modems easily.  and you can get US Robotics Courier modems, the best ever made, for a pittance on eBay.  and they work elegantly with Linux.
[17:54] <BUGabundo> I can't keep 4 talks at the same time
[17:54] <benedikt> :D
[17:54] <Duckthis> PhotoJim: Are they USB?
[17:54] <BUGabundo> 1st benedikt the video freezes may be related to audio! dtchen is looking itno it. download does kernel imges, install and report on the bug
[17:54] <PhotoJim> Duckthis: no, serial, pre-USB.  good machines have serial ports.  or you can get a USB to serial adapter.
[17:55] <BUGabundo> eegore: partial updates are bad... they remove packages!
[17:55] <PhotoJim> Duckthis: US Robotics sells USB hardware modems.  they're around $50 US new.  not was good as a courier, but still a good modem.
[17:55] <BUGabundo> anybody else?
[17:55] <Duckthis> PhotoJim: Ok but Should it be better US Robotics Courier modem + Serial/USB or native USB?
[17:56] <eegore> BUGabundo: I went through the standard upgrade procedure, I started on alpha theough
[17:56] <PhotoJim> Duckthis: oh, tough call.  probably USB.  but if the phone lines are of poor quality there, I'd go with the adapter + Courier.
[17:56] <BUGabundo> eegore: me too... just use update-manager and you will be fine
[17:56] <eegore> that is how this get started
[17:57] <PhotoJim> Duckthis: just be sure that if you get a Courier, get one that supports v.90 or v.92.  (v.90 is fine.)  otherwise you will get slower connections.
[17:57] <BUGabundo> eegore: what exacly is happening?
[17:57] <eegore> the alpha was very unstable at first, kept crashing on KDE a lot
[17:57] <Duckthis> PhotoJim: Thank's for the help. I'm going to a place where cable internet (10MB/S) do not goes. I bought a phone connection for a month.
[17:58] <PhotoJim> Duckthis: nothing you can do about that. :)
[17:58] <eegore> I started at the alpha stage trying to find a version that worked with this broadcom wireless card
[17:58] <benedikt> everythin was broken up for a second ^^
[17:58] <Duckthis> PhotoJim: Indeed, unfortunately ;)
[17:58] <PhotoJim> Duckthis: do you know how to do private messages (/msg)?  I can give you some URLs showing you what I mean.
[17:58] <eegore> the lts would not work properly
[17:59] <BUGabundo> eegore: is there a bug for it?
[18:00] <eegore> after a successive number of updates, I started getting blocked update messages
[18:01] <rwest> ok, so I've noticed during the many many reboots that one thing is very consistent that wasn't before. I'm getting an ata1 soft reset failed message after the cd install system begins to boot
[18:01] <BUGabundo> eegore: $ sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:01] <BUGabundo> please
[18:01] <rwest> could this be why it's failing every time I try to install?
[18:01] <BUGabundo> eegore: and then pastebin the result
[18:01] <CaMason> Anyone have any thoughts on why My Eee 901 (Ubuntu Jaunty) wont connect to my wpa2/tkip network?
[18:03] <BUGabundo> CaMason: I'm having some trouble too with some networks
[18:03] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: maco: hey
[18:05] <IntuitiveNipple> Has anyone heard of/actually done an installation of *both* 32-bit and 64-bit openjdk's from the Ubuntu packages side-by-side (on a 64-bit system)? I'm thinking the only way to do it is create a folder for the 32-bit and chroot-install it there
[18:05] <eegore> BUGabundo: do you want the end result, this is going to overflow my terminal buffer and I may lose some of it
[18:06] <maco> eegore: pastebin?
[18:06] <BUGabundo> eegore: errors are just fine
[18:06] <eegore> no the konsole
[18:06] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: I just have 64bits
[18:06] <maco> eegore: oh, send it to a file
[18:06] <eegore> forgot how to pipe that
[18:07] <maco> if you need to be able to see it as it goes, use "| tee" instead of ">>"
[18:07] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: yeah, the only reason I need 32-bit is I have to install the Sun Java wireless toolkit (to write a midlet for my mobile phone) and it is only available as 32-bit
[18:07] <BUGabundo> maco it's apt-get
[18:07] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: yep... openjdk has not genko applet either
[18:07] <maco> ok then yeah, "sudo apt-get install foo | tee aptlog"
[18:07] <BUGabundo> * 64bits that is
[18:08] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: what's "genko" ?
[18:08] <BUGabundo> eegore: dont bother... I just need errors that you see. not the all log
[18:08] <eegore> I don't blame you
[18:08] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: does it show I'm hungry? FF engine
[18:08] <BUGabundo> brb : food
[18:09] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: oh, do you mean links to the embedded browser?
[18:10] <janakaclk> not a single update in last couple of hours :(
[18:14] <IntuitiveNipple> janakaclk: thankfully yes... peace and quiet for a while
[18:17] <eegore> BUGabundo: holy batcow, I was 3 kernel versions behind
[18:19] <PhotoJim> yikes, 172.7 MB of updates for my netbook
[18:19] <eegore> BUGabundo: have to restart
[18:20] <acr0nym> hello everyone
[18:21] <acr0nym> Just downloaded the i386 dvd version, used netbootin to put it on my usb stick, boots fine
[18:21] <acr0nym> however when I try to install it keeps looking for network/internet to download stuff :)
[18:21] <acr0nym> isn't it supposed to install off the usb directly like 8.10
[18:24] <eegore> BUGabundo: looks like that cleared it
[18:24] <Steeley> acr0nym: I've had this before, the installer searches for packages via a net connection but if it doesn't find one, it usually times out after a minute or two then continues the install
[18:25] <acr0nym> ah so I basically have to wait
[18:25] <acr0nym> I was impatient then :)
[18:25] <acr0nym> going to try again, thanks
[18:26] <acr0nym> also
[18:26] <acr0nym> is it possible to boot into a live desktop
[18:26] <Steeley> on the DVD? not 100% sure but I don't think you can
[18:26] <acr0nym> I can just change to live at the beginning when booting right
[18:26] <acr0nym> oh ok
[18:26] <acr0nym> one more thing
[18:26] <Steeley> I could be wrong though... long time since I tried the DVD
[18:26] <eegore> looks like everything is working include the video driver
[18:27] <acr0nym> when I installed 8.10 the iso fitted on a cd
[18:27] <acr0nym> but now it's 4.2gb big
[18:27] <acr0nym> why the big increase in size?
[18:27] <Steeley> compression, the contents on the disc are compressed to fit them on.
[18:27] <acr0nym> lol so I downloaded the uncompressed version?
[18:28] <acr0nym> hah, hopefully it will install quicker :)
[18:28] <charlie-tca> Didn't the all of the language support get added to it?
[18:28] <Steeley> oh yea, the language files come on the DVD, thats the main difference...
[18:28] <acr0nym> but I could've downloaded the cd version?
[18:28] <acr0nym> hmm searched for it and didn't find it
[18:29] <charlie-tca> !daily
[18:29] <BUGabundo1> charlie-tca: what's up ?
[18:29] <charlie-tca> Trying to kill old bugs again
[18:29] <acr0nym> so the only difference is that the dvd is uncompressed and has more languages
[18:30] <cspack> my iso image is 692mb so should fit on a CD
[18:30] <acr0nym> my iso is 4.2gb lol, anyway thanks for the help everyone
[18:30] <acr0nym> back to installing :)
[18:30] <cspack> and yes you can boot into a live desktop
[18:30] <acr0nym> btw
[18:30] <acr0nym> one more thing
[18:30] <acr0nym> I currently have intrepid as well..planning on installing jaunty on another partition
[18:31] <acr0nym> but the intrepid install has a swap disk partition of 4gb
[18:31] <acr0nym> can I divide this in two so that jaunty can use 2gb of it
[18:31] <XiXaQ> you can share the swap between the instances as long as you don't use hibernate.
[18:32] <acr0nym> ah ok, thanks for the info :)
[18:32] <acr0nym> I'll be back if I need more help ;)
[18:32] <Steeley> XiXaQ is right, if you hibernated in Jaunty, then booted into Intrepid you'd have some problems most likely
[18:32] <acr0nym> oki
[18:33] <XiXaQ> yey! :)
[18:33] <XiXaQ> I love it when people say I'm right :)
[18:34] <XiXaQ> I'm excited to see if jaunty will run on my old laptop. I tried installing jaunty server on it, but that only resulted in crashes.
[18:35] <eegore> BUGabundo1: tnx
[18:42] <mjheagle8> can anyone help me with problems i am having with kopete or kpackagekit?
[18:43] <darthanubis> my system will not recognize two audio cds in the drive at the same time
[18:43] <darthanubis> if one is a data disk it will read
[18:45] <darthanubis> nevermind, this drive just stopped recognizing music cds
[18:45] <CaMason> Any thought why my touchpad would work under LiveCD of jaunty, but not on a real boot? (upgraded from 8.10)
[18:47] <Creative1412> guys may i wander why indahell Shiretoko Web Browser 3.5 alpha firefox is in the reps
[18:48] <BUGabundo> Creative1412: its beta not alpha
[18:48] <BUGabundo> and its great!
[18:48] <BUGabundo> Creative1412: you also have 3.6 shireoco
[18:48] <Creative1412> هفطس لقثشف ﻻعف شمحاش
[18:48] <BUGabundo> grr minefield I say
[18:48] <Creative1412> sry miss to switch langs :)
[18:48] <eegore> BUGabundo: does that mean X-Fi is supported?
[18:48] <BUGabundo> eegore: ah?
[18:49] <Creative1412> it's alpha
[18:49] <BUGabundo> beta
[18:49] <eegore> oh
[18:49] <Creative1412> 3.6 where!?
[18:49] <BUGabundo> 3.5~b4~hg20090410r24363+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1
[18:49] <BUGabundo> beta 4
[18:49] <Creative1412> Shiretoko/3.5b4pre
[18:49] <BUGabundo> 3.6~a1~hg20090410r27192+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1
[18:49] <BUGabundo> 3.6 is alpha
[18:49] <eegore> Creative1412: does that mean it has full multi channel hardware support?
[18:50] <jack|ass> Since installing Jaunty on my desktop, I've had no sound.  It thinks its playing sound, based on the pulseaudio monitor program, but nothing comes out the speakers.  If I boot into windows, it works fine, so it's not just a "Cat unplugged it" thing.
[18:50] <BUGabundo> Creative1412: FF is available on mozillateam ppa, and daily ppa
[18:50] <Creative1412> do yu have the repo?
[18:50] <BUGabundo> jack|ass: open a bug, add alsa.sh and ping dtchen on it
[18:50] <eegore> jack|ass: could another service be conflicting with  the audio channel?
[18:50] <BUGabundo> Creative1412: sure
[18:51] <jack|ass> eegore: wouldn't that cause it to throw an error rather than showing audio in the monitor
[18:51] <Creative1412> can you give it me <<<lazy
[18:51] <jack|ass> ?
[18:51] <BUGabundo> https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ppa
[18:51] <Creative1412> thanks :)
[18:51] <BUGabundo> jack|ass: $ ubuntu-bug pulseaudio
[18:51] <BUGabundo> should be enouth if you have your system updated
[18:52] <jack|ass> BUGabundo: that's kinda neat.
[18:52] <crashsystems> bug 359693
[18:53] <crashsystems> after reporting that bug, I rebooted and did an fsck, and got the same kerneloops
[18:57] <jack|ass> jhrm...  pavucontrol shows "connection terminated" any time i change anything (like hitting mute)
[19:00] <philsf> I can't open jockey-gtk, am I missing a package (question mark) http://pastebin.com/f4783d4a4
[19:00] <CaMason> Any thought why my touchpad would work under LiveCD of jaunty, but not on a real boot? (upgraded from 8.10)
[19:01] <BUGabundo> philsf: run the update on cli
[19:01] <BUGabundo> I think you still have the broken python
[19:02] <philsf> BUGabundo: do you mean run do-release-upgrade now (question mark)
[19:02] <BUGabundo> philsf: no.. just apt-get distupgr
[19:03] <dtchen> jack|ass: mute on the playback device or mute on the stream?
[19:03] <jack|ass> dtchen: doesn't appear to be so.
[19:03] <jack|ass> dtchen: at the moment for a test i'm just catting /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[19:03] <dtchen> err?
[19:03] <dtchen> uh, that would be why
[19:03] <jack|ass> so if i get it working right I should get a burst of static.
[19:03] <jack|ass> well before i was just using totem to play an mp3
[19:04] <dtchen> if you use oss emulation, it bypasses both pulseaudio and ALSA
[19:04] <philsf> BUGabundo: I don't have any more packages to upgrade
[19:04] <jack|ass> but wouldn't i hear it ifi t's bypassing alsa and pulse?
[19:04] <dtchen> jack|ass: i dunno, what bug number was generated from ubuntu-bug?
[19:04] <BUGabundo> philsf: which mirror are you using?
[19:05] <philsf> br.archive.u.c
[19:05] <dtchen> jack|ass: i.e., don't use that cat /dev/urandom command to test
[19:05] <dtchen> jack|ass: use speaker-test
[19:05] <BUGabundo> philsf: can you temporarily change to main -
[19:05] <BUGabundo> ?
[19:05] <dtchen> jack|ass: if you use cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp, it prevents both ALSA apps and PulseAudio apps from using the ALSA device
[19:05] <philsf> BUGabundo: sure, doing it
[19:06] <Assid> alrite boys and girls
[19:06] <dtchen> jack|ass: so, it's expected behaviour for PulseAudio to croak when you've just grabbed the device from under it
[19:06] <Assid> are we ready?
[19:06] <philsf> also, and much more annoying, I have a keyboard layout regression - I have a ABNT2 layout, thinkpad variant, and this variant is missing from the list in gnome-keyboard thing
[19:06] <jack|ass> dtchen: ok, let me stop doing that and use speaker-test.  But since i had been using totem earlier, i don't expect that was the problem.
[19:07] <eegore> is there a wayu to tell if this laptop has bluetooth?
[19:07] <dtchen> jack|ass: i still need to know the bug #
[19:07] <jack|ass> dtchen: yeah, i'm creating it now.  Sorry, I got side tracked trying to do more debug. :P
[19:09] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/310848
[19:09] <crashsystems> wow, ubottu is in here?
[19:09] <BUGabundo> it is everywhere lol
[19:09] <philsf> BUGabundo: archive.u.c gives me no new package
[19:10] <acr0nym> ok this is getting a tad bit frustrating heh
[19:10] <philsf> I have ubunu-desktop installed, and all its recommends
[19:10] <crashsystems> bug 359693
[19:10] <acr0nym> I'm having a bit of a problem with installing the dvd version of ubuntu off an USB stick
[19:10] <jack|ass> dtchen: #359707
[19:10] <acr0nym> it boots fine but it keeps looking for internet packages
[19:10] <acr0nym> the whole 4.2gb...is on the usb stick
[19:11] <crashsystems> oops, wrong channel :D
[19:11] <acr0nym> and it doesn't timeout and move on from the usb...it fails if it doesn't have internet
[19:11] <BUGabundo> acr0nym: yes it can happen
[19:11] <Sylphid> hey all, could anyone tell me more about this update-manager warning?  ... upgradable but no canidateOrigin?!?:  xchat
[19:11] <acr0nym> BUGabundo, any workaround?
[19:11] <BUGabundo> Sylphid: what warning?
[19:12] <BUGabundo> acr0nym: it fails if it is not connected to the web????
[19:12] <Sylphid> upgradable but no canidateOrigin?!?:  xchat
[19:12] <BUGabundo> philsf: so you still get UM error?
[19:12] <dtchen> jack|ass: unmute 'Sigmatel 4-Speaker Stereo'
[19:12] <jack|ass> dtchen: lemme try.  I thought i'd hit all of them.
[19:13] <dtchen> jack|ass: also, are you routing sound to analog speakers directly through the line-out or speaker-out jack?
[19:13] <philsf> BUGabundo: I can't open UM
[19:14] <acr0nym> yep exactly BUGabundo
[19:14] <acr0nym> but 4.2gb you'd expect all the files to be on the usb stick :D
[19:14] <jack|ass> dtchen: checked it, no sound.  And yes, this is all analog.  5.1 channels running to a very large speaker setup.
[19:16] <acr0nym> don't want to sound irritating, but does anyone have a solution
[19:16] <dtchen> jack|ass: is the following command audible?  speaker-test -Dplughw:0 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
[19:17] <jack|ass> dtchen: no.  the volume meter also doesn't show anything when that runs.
[19:17] <dtchen> jack|ass: it wouldn't show in the volume meter, because it bypasses pulse
[19:18] <jack|ass> dtchen: gotcha.  Also, I don't know if you saw from the log it kicked you, but there are two sound cards in this system.  An Audigy 2 and the on-board.  The on-board goes unused usually.  I did try plugging the cable into it in order to see if it was defaulting to that, but that does not appear to be the case.
[19:19] <acr0nym> if I want to boot live
[19:19] <acr0nym> do I just press tab and then clear everything and type "live" ?
[19:19] <dtchen> jack|ass: ah
[19:20] <alexismedina> hello, there's someone having issues with the new notifications in Jaunty?, today I upgrade my jaunty and ubuntu is showing the old notificationes style (notify-osd 0.9.11-0ubuntu1)
[19:20] <jack|ass> dtchen: i can go into the BIOS and see about disabling the on-board to see if that makes it happy.
[19:20] <dtchen> jack|ass: however, that's not the real issue
[19:20] <dtchen> jack|ass: your audigy is card 0
[19:20] <jack|ass> dtchen: (assuming the BIOS guy actually set the damn 'hide' bits instead of just not allocating resources)
[19:20] <dtchen> jack|ass: is this a dist-upgrade from 8.10?
[19:21] <dtchen> jack|ass: your debug output clearly shows that card 0 is the audigy
[19:21] <jack|ass> dtchen: no, this is a brand new install.  I kinda sorta hosed my array a couple weeks ago. :P
[19:21] <dtchen> ah
[19:21] <dtchen> jack|ass: please pastebin ls -la ~/.pulse*
[19:21] <jack|ass> moment
[19:23] <jack|ass> dtchen: http://pastebin.com/d5f655aa
[19:25] <dtchen> jack|ass: ok, so you're not getting any audible output from ALSA, either
[19:25] <jack|ass> dtchen: doesn't appear so.
[19:26] <philsf> BUGabundo:  http://pastebin.com/f4b7b3bf7
[19:26] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/310848
[19:27] <philsf> BUGabundo: is this also a symptom of broken python (question)
[19:27] <BUGabundo> philsf: please file a bug
[19:27] <dtchen> jack|ass: try this: sudo fuser -k /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/* && sudo rmmod snd-emu10k1 && sudo rm -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.state
[19:27] <BUGabundo> so mvo can look at it
[19:27] <dtchen> jack|ass: you'll need to reboot afterward
[19:28] <CaMason> hm I can't figure this out. My touchpad will work in LiveCD, but not when I boot from HD. I upgraded from 8.10 to 9.04. Any ideas on what I can check to see what's different?
[19:28] <eagles0513875> !firewall
[19:28] <BUGabundo> philsf: $ ubuntu-bug software-properties-gtk
[19:28] <eagles0513875> is the bot broken
[19:28] <philsf> BUGabundo: against each package (question)
[19:28] <BUGabundo> philsf: $ ubuntu-bug software-properties-gtk
[19:28] <philsf> BUGabundo: and another one for jockey, right
[19:28] <BUGabundo> humm no need
[19:29] <BUGabundo> they all share the same code
[19:29] <BUGabundo> so just mention it on the bug
[19:29] <BUGabundo> if you really want just
[19:30] <philsf> "Could not import module, is a package upgrade in progress? Error: No module named launchpadbugs.storeblob"
[19:30] <philsf> BUGabundo: ^^
[19:30] <BUGabundo> philsf: apport-collect -p jockey-gtk BUGID
[19:30] <jack|ass> dtchen: it complained about not being able to remove the module since it's in use by synth, but i zapped the state file by hand
[19:30] <philsf> BUGabundo: this error was from ubuntu-bug
[19:30] <BUGabundo> philsf: your system looks housed!
[19:31] <philsf> BUGabundo: can I reinstall some key python packages (question)
[19:31] <BUGabundo> it may help
[19:31] <philsf> which ones
[19:31] <BUGabundo> but we need to see what package is out of sync
[19:32] <philsf> this is an upgrade directly from hardy, python and python-minimal were only upgraded at the end. I saw a lot of messages like (using -usr-bin-python2.6, debian_defaults not correctly set up)
[19:33] <v0lksman> at what point where upgrades from intrepid not supported?
[19:33] <BUGabundo> yeah that could be the cause
[19:33] <jack|ass> dtchen: done.  No difference it seems
[19:33]  * philsf ducks
[19:33] <BUGabundo> v0lksman: yes
[19:33] <v0lksman> haha...when?
[19:34] <BUGabundo> philsf: try to find someone on #ubuntu-devel that can help with that python debug
[19:34] <BUGabundo> v0lksman: a week ago or so, why?
[19:34] <philsf> BUGabundo: k thanks
[19:34] <BUGabundo> np
[19:34] <v0lksman> cause I may have jumped the gun...how can I tell if I upgraded during that period?
[19:34] <philsf> BUGabundo: do you know anything about keyboard layouts missing (question)
[19:34] <BUGabundo> philsf: no
[19:35] <BUGabundo> v0lksman: you couldn't! it was disabled
[19:35] <v0lksman> ahh...ok
[19:35] <BUGabundo> it was just for 2 days
[19:35] <BUGabundo> v0lksman: upgrade recommend path is $ update-manager -d
[19:35] <philsf> ABNT2 with thinkpad variant is missing. now I'm missing the slash-question key
[19:35] <BUGabundo> did you do it any other way?
[19:35] <BUGabundo> philsf: file a bug too
[19:36] <philsf> BUGabundo: ok
[19:36] <BUGabundo> we need to get that fix before RC
[19:36] <BUGabundo> I just don't know to what package
[19:37] <v0lksman> nono...just making sure I didn't do something stupid...
[19:37] <BUGabundo> v0lksman: like?
[19:37] <v0lksman> may have found a bug in printer support but installing updates before I file
[19:37] <dtchen> jack|ass: ok, try toggling 'Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack'
[19:37] <dtchen> jack|ass: for some people, it needs to be muted for analog output to work
[19:37] <dtchen> jack|ass: for others, it needs to be unmuted
[19:37] <v0lksman> trying to add a printer via GNOME and its asking for root password...
[19:38] <jack|ass> dtchen: winner!
[19:38] <jack|ass> dtchen: so we had done that earlier, didn't we?
[19:38] <BUGabundo> v0lksman: ahh stupid bug
[19:40] <v0lksman> yeah...from what I've found its a regression to dapper....I think....
[19:41] <BUGabundo> that old?
[19:41] <BUGabundo> please file it
[19:41] <CaMason> My touchpad will work in LiveCD, but not when I boot from HD. I upgraded from 8.10 to 9.04. Any ideas on what I can check to see what's different?
[19:41] <CaMason> I've  checked the xorg config and the hal/policies/ folder, and they're the same
[19:42] <BUGabundo> CaMason: have you looked on LP?
[19:42] <v0lksman> it was fixed in intrepid...not sure about hardy though...
[19:42] <jack|ass> dtchen: anyway, my sound looks like it's working now.  Thanks much for that!  I gotta go drag someone outta bed, but I appreciate the help.  If you need any more info off my system to determine if this is pulseaudio doing something weird, pmsg me and i'll do it when i get back.
[19:42] <philsf> which package do I file a "keyboard layout variant missing" bug against (question)
[19:42] <CaMason> BUGabundo, I looked for what I could... "touchpad jaunty" etc, none of the fixes I saw seemed to help
[19:43] <YixilTesiphon> well, whatever my sound problem was, it was corrected completely on reinstall of the April 5th jaunty
[19:45] <CaMason> there's no "touchpad" tab in the mouse preferences either, which there is on the livecd
[19:45] <XiXaQ> wow, when I boot jaunty on my old laptop, I get a seriously long list of segmentation faults.
[19:48] <Pollywog> In Jaunty, I cannot see the desktop that I see on another system running Intrepid, I mean the small desktop in KDE4.  Is there a way to get it to appear?  I already tried the desktop settings from the foot icon in the corner of the screen
[19:54] <alexismedina> hello, there's someone having issues with the new notifications in Jaunty?, today I upgrade my jaunty and ubuntu is showing the old notificationes style (notify-osd 0.9.11-0ubuntu1)
[19:54] <topher_>  hey I just upgraded from 8.10 ---> 9.04 and when I try to run a video, or webcam application, I get this error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)
[19:55] <Pollywog> alexismedina: I upgraded and had all sorts of problems that a clean install fixed
[19:55] <alexismedina> ok Pollywog, I create a new profile too, but that doesn't solve my problem...
[19:56] <Pollywog> same here
[19:56] <alexismedina> going to wait for official release
[19:56] <Pollywog> I had to do a clean install but waiting for the official release would be helpful, I think
[19:57] <Pollywog> considering it's a beta it is pretty good
[19:58] <BluesKaj> yeah, I find jaunty more stable in beta than the intrepid official release on my setup. Don't have the graphics artifacts intrepis suffered from
[20:00] <alexismedina> yes... i have a lot of problemas with  a intel 945 card with intrepid
[20:00] <alexismedina> some xorg updates mades my system crash
[20:00] <wirechief> alexismedina: i have issues with jaunty and freezing with intel 945
[20:01] <BluesKaj> nvidia geforce 7600GT here , weird happenings but no crashes
[20:01] <alexismedina> wirechief, you're using XAA acceleration?
[20:01] <wirechief> no
[20:01] <wirechief> i disabled compiz
[20:02] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, strange, unforseen happenstances abound?
[20:02] <BluesKaj> not on jaunty bjsnider ..only on intrepid  :)
[20:02] <darthanubis> what happened to the "removable media" options?
[20:03] <wirechief> this is a great how to for checking out problems https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Freeze
[20:04] <BluesKaj> I have to admit my surprise with this beta release. Altho i think the name "jaunty" is kinda lame ... i guess the brits still use that word :)
[20:04] <o0Chris0o> BluesKaj» Do you understand the name cycle?
[20:05] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, we have to do something about those brits
[20:05] <cwillu> wirechief, any luck finding a consistent way to reproduce the crash?
[20:05] <wirechief> i tried the daily build of kubuntu, it fails to work on my lappy just goes to a shell
[20:05] <posingaspopular> hey all, im trying to get gnome-panels working. for some reason i cant move them after i did gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel
[20:05] <cwillu> posingaspopular, alt-drag them
[20:05] <wirechief> cwillu yes as soon as i put my tools away it hits.
[20:06] <cwillu> ?
[20:06] <o0Chris0o> too bad 9.04-9.10 wont be LTS 10.04 is
[20:06] <wirechief> cwillu i did update the bug on launchpad though
[20:06] <posingaspopular> that works. thanks cwillu!
[20:06] <BluesKaj> yes the alphbet lettering , but c'mon ..."jaunty" ? Surely a more robust sounding name could be used .
[20:06] <cwillu> oh, good :)
[20:06] <wirechief> cwillu yes lots of logs
[20:07] <cwillu> o0Chris0o, too many issues with intel, wouldn't be a good scene if it were lts :)
[20:07] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/304954
[20:07] <wirechief> cwillu and Bryces link to troubleshooting helped, i was able to get a before and after log
[20:07] <Ienorand> The names are only soppused to be codenames... And I think it's quicke a good thing to have somewhat interesting names...
[20:07] <BluesKaj> Intel graphics seems to be the new ati  :(
[20:08] <wirechief> cwillu i did a diff comparison and seems to be one line that is different between the good and bad
[20:08] <Ienorand> *supposed *quite
[20:09] <wirechief> cwillu i think they are called reg_bad.txt and reg_good.txt, suprisingly i ran the test only a few minutes before the crash.
[20:10] <wirechief> cwillu i have had 3 crashes in 24 hrs that exhibit the freeze i reported.
[20:13] <wirechief> cwillu i have a gdb running against firefox to see if i can get some logging of events (if the crash occurs)
[20:17] <ubuntu> hi
[20:17] <darthanubis> http://www.go2linux.org/pics/gnome-volume-properties/gnome-volume-properties.jpg
[20:17] <acr0nym> I'm now on jaunty live..
[20:17] <darthanubis> What happened to that?^^^
[20:18] <acr0nym> having a bit of problem installing
[20:18] <acr0nym> halfway installing it tells me the cd/dvd isn't clear
[20:18] <acr0nym> "This is often due to a faulty CD/DVD disk or drive"
[20:18] <acr0nym> I'm installing from usb
[20:19] <acr0nym> ...
[20:20] <ikonia> corrupt file
[20:20] <acr0nym> omg lol
[20:20] <acr0nym> I'm really having a bad day
[20:20] <acr0nym> first tried the dvd version
[20:20] <acr0nym> now the cd version
[20:20] <acr0nym> so I have to download it again??
[20:20] <ikonia> did you a.) check the md5's b.) run a cd check on it
[20:20] <wirechief> acr0nym: did you do a md5sum on it ?
[20:20] <acr0nym> nope
[20:21] <ikonia> that's worth doing
[20:21] <acr0nym> can I download the iso again from this live cd
[20:21] <acr0nym> and then put it on usb...
[20:21] <acr0nym> don't want to boot back into intrepid again
[20:21] <acr0nym> that would take me a precious minute ;)
[20:21] <ikonia> acr0nym: it's not just as simple as dumping the iso onto a usb
[20:21] <acr0nym> I'm not dumping the iso on the usb
[20:21] <acr0nym> I used netbootin to put it on the usb stick
[20:22] <acr0nym> so you guys think it's possible to download it directly to the livecd? :)
[20:22] <ikonia> of course it is
[20:22] <acr0nym> ok
[20:22] <ikonia> just be aware that your livecd is held in ram
[20:22] <acr0nym> yes but it is installing from the usb stick right?
[20:23] <ikonia> right
[20:24] <acr0nym> I can still view the iso on my intrepid partition
[20:24] <ikonia> ok
[20:24] <acr0nym> can I do an md5 check with archive manager?
[20:24] <guntbert> ikonia: having recommended a.) myself "for ages" I wonder now: what is the mechanism of b.) ? md5sum over all files?
[20:25] <bef0rd_> hey, I had sound working yesterday... but today it doesn't work :| when I boot up, alsamixer shows the Master volume as zero, I increment it, but still no sound, any idea?
[20:25] <ikonia> guntbert: there used to be an option on the cd saying "check this CD" I assume that's still there
[20:25] <bef0rd_> oh, there are some updates, gonna apply them
[20:26] <wirechief> bef0rd_: does your mixer show it on or muted ?
[20:26] <darthanubis> something is seriously wrong with audio cds being recognized and or played in 9.04
[20:27] <guntbert> ikonia: yes, I know this option, was only curious how this option performs its task
[20:27] <bef0rd_> wirechief, I am not sure, I am unable to use volume control applet, i doesnt load, I am unable to start gnome-sound-properties either
[20:27] <ikonia> guntbert: god knows off the top of my head, maybe a file with all the MD5's in it for each file.
[20:27] <ikonia> guntbert: never looked
[20:27] <darthanubis> of all the things to break
[20:28] <wirechief> bef0rd_: have you tried help in #alsa ?
[20:29] <wirechief> bef0rd_: best time to check is between 10am and 12noon (thats when the gurus are around)
[20:29] <guntbert> ikonia: so our state of knowledge on *that* subject is equal :-), thx anyway
[20:29] <CaMason> *sigh* still can't get this touchpad working. I've uninstalled and reinstalled `xserver-xorg-input-all` but still nothing. I can't figure out why it's not working, but it works with the LiveCD
[20:29] <acr0nym> ok
[20:29] <acr0nym> I just did a md5 check and it didn't match
[20:30] <acr0nym> so I have to download again :/
[20:30] <acr0nym> lol good thing it only takes about 5 mins
[20:30] <bef0rd_> wirechief,the weird thing is I can use the volume applet on the live cd :/
[20:33] <wirechief> bef0rd_: that indicates you have a issue with your install, did you recently do a update ?
[20:34] <wirechief> bef0rd_:  you can check in /var/log/dpkg.log to see what got updated of late.
[20:36] <wirechief> bef0rd_: i just do cat /var/log/dpkg.log to see what in it and look for sound stuff. you can compare that with your live  using dpkg -l |grep <package>  check the version
[20:38] <wirechief> bef0rd_: if you really want a comparison you can do a md5sum check on the <package> to make sure it got put on the hd correctly (compare with live)
[20:38] <darthanubis> can anyone check your dmesg or confirm this?
[20:39] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/310848/comments/5
[20:39] <o0Chris0o> cwillu» yeah I didn't think of that with intel
[20:40] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/304954
[20:45] <Duckthis> Hi. Need big help! I'm in trouble!
[20:45] <Duckthis> My GNOME session launch but I do not have any bars (top and bottom)
[20:46] <Duckthis> No one can help me?
[20:48] <acr0nym> so what are your boot speeds with jaunty?
[20:48] <Halow> Press alt+F2, enter gnome-panel and hit run.
[20:48] <Halow> Duckthis:
[20:48] <acr0nym> planning on putting it on my 1000he and write a nice review about it :)
[20:48] <acr0nym> so far the review has a bad beginning LOL 2 installs going wrong
[20:48] <acr0nym> but that's just my fault ;)
[20:48] <Duckthis> Halow: Thanls
[20:49] <Duckthis> Halow: It do not launch when I launch my session :S
[20:49] <CaMason> I'm about to wipe my Asus Eee 901 and do a fresh install
[20:49] <ActionParsnip1> yo yo yo
[20:49] <acr0nym> yo yo yo back
[20:49] <acr0nym> :P
[20:49] <CaMason> this mouse thing isn't working at-all, but it is on live, so wipe time!
[20:49] <acr0nym> I have one question
[20:49] <acr0nym> I'm trying to increase my touchpad speed
[20:50] <acr0nym> but in the options I can only increase mouse acceleration
[20:50] <acr0nym> where is the normal mouse speed...
[20:50] <acr0nym> sensitivity doesn't do anything either
[20:50] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: increase the mose accelleration in mouse settings
[20:50] <acr0nym> nah mouse acceleration is different than mousespeed
[20:50] <ActionParsnip1> !touchpad
[20:51] <acr0nym> thanks :)
[20:51] <acr0nym> also one more question
[20:51] <acr0nym> I have 2gb ram in my laptop
[20:51] <acr0nym> I never use more than 600 mb
[20:51] <acr0nym> so I basically have 1gb unused
[20:51] <acr0nym> can I somehow speed up my desktop with it
[20:51] <acr0nym> run parts of ubuntu automatically in that 1gb of ram?
[20:53] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: you could have a ram disk in nit and copy bits of your home dir to it, you'd have to sync it to the physical drive at logoff to preserve the files
[20:53] <acr0nym> sounds all very interesting :)
[20:53] <acr0nym> just downloaded the jaunty ubuntu iso, again :)
[20:53] <acr0nym> and the md5sum matches this time
[20:54] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: you could set swappiness to 0 so the internal drive isnt used as yu are never running out of ram
[20:54] <acr0nym> ah ok
[20:54] <acr0nym> if you're still here after my jaunty install and feel like helping, I'll be here :)
[20:54] <acr0nym> though I should really read some guides on the net before bugging here hehe
[20:54] <eegore> songbird seems to be working quite well
[20:55] <acr0nym> be back after my jaunty install
[20:55] <acr0nym> bb
[20:55] <eegore> there is only one thing I would like it to have is a bar mode like winamp or xmms
[20:57] <ActionParsnip1> bar mode?
[20:57] <Halow> eegore: Audacious behaves a lot like winamp.
[20:58] <cwillu> minimode
[20:58] <acr0nym> what filesystem should I use
[20:58] <eegore> yeah there is a button at the top of the window that allows you to see the title and playback buttons in a thin bar
[20:58] <acr0nym> ext2, 3, 4? any advice
[20:58] <cwillu> acr0nym, stick with ext3
[20:58] <acr0nym> thanks
[20:58] <patarok> hello could you help me ? elisa media center wont start any more...
[20:59] <cwillu> acr0nym, ext4 still has a couple lurking issues, and nobody in their right mind should ever use ext2
[20:59] <cwillu> (use ext3 without a journal if you must)
[20:59] <eegore> Halow: yeak but it is somewhat clumsy in playing back web streams
[20:59] <acr0nym> I'm now in the partitioning section
[20:59] <eegore> have to cut and paste most of the time
[20:59] <acr0nym> ext3 doesn't have a journaling option
[20:59] <ActionParsnip1> cwillu: isnt ext2, ext3 without journal?
[20:59] <YixilTesiphon> eegore: I just leave rhythmbox in another desk
[20:59] <Halow> eegore: Hm. Really? I never had a problem with it. But I switched back to Rhythmbox for some silly reason. ;)
[21:00]  * cwillu was wondering how long that would take :)
[21:00] <acr0nym> what benefits are there with ext4?
[21:00] <patarok> elisa wont start anymore ... any ideas?
[21:00] <eegore> I do notice that songbird is less resource intensive than Amarok]
[21:00] <cwillu> acr0nym, ext4 has much faster deletes, much faster fsync's, delayed allocation (the cause of some of those speed ups), extents, a few other things
[21:00] <acr0nym> lol and you told me to use ext3 ;)
[21:01] <cwillu> acr0nym, but ext4 currently causes crashes in ubuntu's kernel, I don't think they're sorted out yet
[21:01] <ActionParsnip1> cwillu: http://pastebin.com/de4cd4b1
[21:01] <acr0nym> is ext4 still in beta/buggy?
[21:01] <acr0nym> ah ok
[21:01] <acr0nym> thanks for all the help
[21:01] <cwillu> acr0nym, a mainline kernel works fine for ext4 (that's what I'm running)
[21:01] <ActionParsnip1> i'm gonna use XFS on my next system
[21:01] <acr0nym> how come ubuntu doesn't come standard with a mainline kernel
[21:01] <acr0nym> or at least optional
[21:01] <eegore> acr0nym: I am running ext4 on my Jaunty
[21:02] <eegore> had noi real issues, fdoes load apps a little faster
[21:02] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: how do you mean "mainline"?
[21:03] <acr0nym> the guy who invented the concept of livecd's was a real genius
[21:03] <cwillu> acr0nym, they're available, we have additional patches and drivers that aren't upstream though
[21:03] <eegore> I am more interested in is optimized jopurnaling
[21:03] <acr0nym> best thing since 56k :P
[21:03] <acr0nym> ah ok
[21:03] <acr0nym> I'm wondering if this is going to work...
[21:03] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: not the gentoo live cd though
[21:03] <eegore> what
[21:03] <acr0nym> I booted into a faulty livecd (md5sum failed on the first iso)
[21:03] <deany> heh, i saw gadget show this morning.. shows how out of touch they are,  their review of the best free software, at #3 its VLC portable, cuz, its portable!
[21:04] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: then why burn it if the iso was bad, thats a waste of a cd
[21:04] <acr0nym> so I downloaded the iso again with the same livecd, and I put it into the same usb stick and I'm installing now :)
[21:04] <acr0nym> it gave me an error @ 55%
[21:04] <deany> well not "they", more like the reviewer (gail porter).
[21:04] <acr0nym> I'm at 49% now lol
[21:04] <acr0nym> ah darn
[21:04] <acr0nym> it gave me the error again
[21:05] <acr0nym> pretty sure the md5 was correct...does it install from ram or from the usb stick?
[21:05] <acr0nym> I probably have to reboot eh
[21:05] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: it will copy the files from the stick to the hard drive
[21:05] <acr0nym> yes at first I thought it failed because the md5sum failed on the first iso
[21:06] <acr0nym> so I downloaded it again and put it again on the usb stick (checked the md5 this time and it passed)
[21:06] <acr0nym> but still getting the same problem
[21:06] <ActionParsnip1> then try some boot options
[21:06] <ActionParsnip1> !bootoptions
[21:07] <acr0nym> I'm installing from within the livecd
[21:08] <deany> acr0nym, very odd...  tried it in a vm?  or another pc?
[21:08] <acr0nym> I think the problem is that I never rebooted into the new ubuntu iso
[21:09] <deany> acr0nym, try the alternative installer, might help..  just throwin stuff out there..
[21:09] <acr0nym> I'll try that if rebooting doesn't work :)
[21:09] <acr0nym> brb
[21:10] <YixilTesiphon> any ideas on getting midi working after my reinstall?
[21:11] <YixilTesiphon> not entirely sure what I did to get it working with musescore before
[21:11] <acr0nym> will there be any significant changes from today's iso and the one on 23rd of April
[21:11] <acr0nym> probably a vague question since you don't know yet hehe
[21:11] <acr0nym> rebooting :)
[21:19] <mFacenet> has anybody tried Gnome Shell in Jaunty?
[21:24] <ikus060> Is there any issue with fglrx driver on Jaunty ?? Since Xorg as been upgrade I expect this driver to fail :S
[21:25] <thbishop> trying to boot from USB with the jaunty beta image gets me "Buffer I/O error on device fd0" errors
[21:26] <crdlb> ikus060: the driver in the jaunty repos works
[21:26] <ikus060> ok ..
[21:26] <crdlb> it's a beta that is not available from ati's website
[21:26] <crdlb> and it only works with r600 and r700
[21:26] <ikus060> WHAT !!
[21:26] <ikus060> where is the backward compatibility ??
[21:26] <eegore> I will say that Jaunty has gotten a lot more stable on the running of the desktop
[21:27] <crdlb> ikus060: ati dropped support in favor of the radeon driver
[21:28] <ikus060> ok, so I'm supposed to use radeon driver in that case .. but this driver doesnt deliver a great performance compare to fglrx
[21:28] <crdlb> this is true
[21:29] <crdlb> you can use hardy or intrepid :/
[21:29] <ikus060> I currently running Jaunty with radeon driver and event compiz are not smooth ! Anyway, this is not the place to evacuate my frustration
[21:30] <ikus060> crdlb: Thank for your help
[21:31] <crdlb> radeon will get better with gallium and friends, but we're not there yet
[21:32] <ikus060> What is this gallium ?
[21:32] <crdlb> future driver infrastructure
[21:32] <ikus060> of what I know it's a chemical element
[21:36] <ikus060> Is there any documentation or tricks to improve the performance with radeon driver ?
[21:37] <Duckthis> Hey peoples. Can someone help me to install Windows XP in dual-boot AFTER installing Ubuntu?
[21:37] <deany> lol
[21:37] <BluesKaj> !grub | Duckthis
[21:38] <unknown> hello
[21:38] <BluesKaj> oops Duckthis, sry , thought you'd already installed windows
[21:39] <Stupendoussteve> BluesKaj: Still applies, there is nothing special except restoring grub after the install
[21:39] <Duckthis> BluesKaj: No. I'm actually running Ubuntu as only system. If I want to install XP as dual-boot on the same drive, is that possible?
[21:39] <BluesKaj> Stupendoussteve . just don't want to get ahead of things to confuse the issue
[21:39] <Stupendoussteve> Duckthis: Yes
[21:40] <Stupendoussteve> Duckthis: You install like normal, and then will have to fix grub
[21:40] <robin0800> ikus060: What card do you have
[21:40] <BluesKaj> Duckthis , yup as Stupendoussteve says
[21:40] <ikus060> robin0800: I have a Mobility X300
[21:41] <robin0800> ikus060: same here
[21:41] <ikus060> robin0800: How to you consider your 3d performance ?
[21:41] <Duckthis> Stupendoussteve & BluesKaj: Ok but is it normal that I can not reduce my partition?
[21:41] <Stupendoussteve> Depending what your filesystem is, yes
[21:42] <BluesKaj> Duckthis , have you partitoned your HDD for NTFS and ready to install windows on it ?
[21:42] <robin0800> ikus060: what does your xorg log file sayes is not enabled
[21:42] <Duckthis> BluesKaj: No i'm actually only with a logic partition with an ext3 and linux-swap.
[21:44] <acr0nym> hello everyone, back :)
[21:44] <acr0nym> k, so installed ubuntu, the faulty iso was the problem. I used ext4 and seems to work fine so far
[21:44] <Duckthis> BluesKaj: 250GB HDD , logic partition 8Gb linux-swap & the remaining ext3. Someone can explain me how to reduce it?
[21:44] <BluesKaj> Duckthis, resize your ext3 by whatever amount you need for XP , then reformat that partiton to NTFS. I recomend you use GParted for the partition editing.
[21:44] <acr0nym> I've stumbled upon one tiny problem
[21:45] <acr0nym> I am trying to import a *.pub file for authentication in software sources
[21:45] <Duckthis> BluesKaj: I actually tryed GParted but I have a question.
[21:45] <acr0nym> but it won't allow me to browse into /home/acr0nym/Desktop
[21:45] <acr0nym> it stop at /home/acr0nym/
[21:45] <acr0nym> doesn't display anything after that
[21:45] <acr0nym> stops*
[21:46] <BluesKaj> Duckthis , ok , what's your question ?
[21:46] <melik> Encounted error 'Error in file /etc/dbus-1/system.d/xorg-server.conf, line 1, column 0: No element found' while parsing '/etc/dbus-1/system.d/xorg-server.conf
[21:46] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: sudo chown -R /home/$USER; sudo chmod -R 750 /home/$USER
[21:46] <Duckthis> BluesKaj: I said that I was using a "logic" partition, with my 2 other partitions within.
[21:46] <ikus060> robin0800: Should I grep the file with a string to know what are disable ??
[21:46] <melik> anyone get that error at bootup or know what that all is about
[21:46] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: makes sure your home directory is all yours and is accessible by you fully
[21:46] <ikus060> robin0800: Otherwise, I'm not sure to understand your question ?
[21:47] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: oops, sudo chown -R $USER; /home/$USER
[21:48] <acr0nym> chown: missing operand after `acr0nym'
[21:48] <cwillu> acr0nym, no semicolon
[21:48] <acr0nym> k
[21:48] <melik> back
[21:48] <acr0nym> chown: cannot access `/home/acr0nym/.gvfs': Permission denied
[21:49] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: sudo chown -R $USER /home/$USER
[21:49] <acr0nym> I did remove the semicolon :)
[21:49] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: then: sudo chmod -R 750 /home/$USER
[21:50] <Duckthis> Can I reduce an ext3 partition in a logic partition to install XP on it?
[21:50] <acr0nym> still giving me the same error
[21:50] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: then you will have full access over your home folder, have you been running gui apps with sudo by any chance?
[21:50] <unknown> Guys, is it possible somehow to fine-tune nautilus a little for download files from ftp, to enable continuation of download when i've lost connection to internet? something like wget -c.. sorry for my english
[21:50] <acr0nym> maybe it's because I still have the sources open lol
[21:50] <acr0nym> 1 sec
[21:50] <robin0800> ikus060: Iwould just do a search for disable
[21:51] <acr0nym> still the same error heh
[21:51] <acr0nym> chmod: cannot access `/home/acr0nym/.gvfs': Permission denied
[21:51] <acr0nym> browsing with nautilus works fine
[21:52] <acr0nym> hope this isn't one of those ext4 issues ;)
[21:52] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: is acr0nym also your username in linux?
[21:52] <cwillu> ActionParsnip1, setting execute on everything in home isn't such a good idea though
[21:52] <acr0nym> yep
[21:52] <ikus060> Page Flipping disabled, disable LVDS, disable FP1, Dynamic Clock Scaling Disabled, Depth moves disabled by default, Backing store disabled, disable primary dac, disable FP1, LVDS, TV
[21:52] <ikus060> robin0800: Page Flipping disabled, disable LVDS, disable FP1, Dynamic Clock Scaling Disabled, Depth moves disabled by default, Backing store disabled, disable primary dac, disable FP1, LVDS, TV
[21:52] <acr0nym> this is what happens if I use a non-existenchmod: cannot access `/home/blabla': No such file or directory
[21:52] <acr0nym> t username:
[21:53] <acr0nym> whoops my touchpad messed with the last line, but you get the point heh
[21:53] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: you could boot to root recovery console and do it there
[21:53] <ikus060> robin0800: What it your laptop. Is it a ThinkPad ?
[21:53] <acr0nym> hmm, so is this a bug in jaunty?
[21:53] <acr0nym> never had this problem before in 8.10
[21:54] <Stupendoussteve> I don't think it's related to the distro
[21:54] <acr0nym> it's a fresh install this is the very first thing I'm trying to do
[21:54] <maxb> I'm not sure if any of the chown/chmodding actually made any sense whatsoever
[21:54] <robin0800> ikus060: You need page flipping ,deph moves ,backing store
[21:55] <maxb> If your own homedir wasn't readable, you'd have bigger problems than Software Sources acting up
[21:55] <acr0nym> even if it wouldn't fix the problem chmodding should still be possible
[21:55] <maxb> .gvfs is rather special
[21:56] <cwillu> .gvfs is a fuse mount point
[21:56] <maxb> You shouldn't expect normal chown/chmod to work on it
[21:56] <acr0nym> I was told not to use ext4 before I installed...maybe that has something to do with it
[21:56] <cwillu> acr0nym, no, that's unrelated
[21:56] <maxb> No, really, that isn't plausible
[21:57] <cwillu> acr0nym, what's the problem exactly?
[21:57] <cwillu> acr0nym, are you just browsing to the desktop from import key, and nothing's showing up?
[21:57] <cwillu> (note that import key runs as root, and so the desktop linnk shown on the left is root's desktop, not yours)
[21:58] <cwillu> acr0nym, also, you're in a somewhat unfortunate position of having execute permissions on all your files now
[21:58] <robin0800> ikus060: see http://pastebin.com/m44c35c40 for what I mean
[21:58] <ActionParsnip1> cwillu: its no bad thing
[21:59] <acr0nym> sorry went to get an apple :)
[21:59] <cwillu> ActionParsnip1, there's no good reason to have execute on everything
[21:59] <acr0nym> not the computer lol a real one :P
[21:59] <ActionParsnip1> cwillu: plus it can be chmodded back
[21:59] <ikus060> robin0800: heyhey, you got all the option for radeon driver .. May you give my the original link ?
[21:59] <acr0nym> yes when I try to import my *.pub key I cannot browse further than /home/acr0nym/
[21:59] <ikus060> robin0800: I find it use ful
[21:59] <cwillu> ActionParsnip1, the +X chmod operator will set execute only on directories and files that already have it, for future reference
[21:59] <acr0nym> the *.pub key is on my Desktop
[22:00] <cwillu> acr0nym, like, nothing shows up?
[22:00] <acr0nym> yep exactly
[22:00] <cwillu> or does it actually give an error?
[22:00] <acr0nym> no error
[22:00] <cwillu> are you _sure_ you're in /home/acr0nym?
[22:00] <acr0nym> yep
[22:00] <acr0nym> it's the only folder in home
[22:00] <cwillu> (that dialog doesn't use your home directory, you have to browse to it)
[22:01] <cwillu> ActionParsnip1, oh, btw, chmod -R will hit hidden files, so his .ssh directory may be world readable now
[22:01] <robin0800> ikus060: I didn't find that what I did was disable Xserver and run sudo Xorg -configure
[22:01] <ikus060> robin0800: you really suggest me to use exa acceleration ? whereever I look, people suggest to use Xaa for stability
[22:01] <ActionParsnip1> cwillu: no, thats why i always use 0 as the world access ;)
[22:02] <cwillu> fair enough :p
[22:02] <cwillu> ikus060, xaa is deprecated and largely unsupported
[22:02] <linny2> could anyone tell me if jaunty has any extra support for ati graphics cards (i have an hd2600) in the past with 8.04 and 8.10 the live cds didnt work ive had to use alternate install cd then drop into a terminal to install the proprietary driver before a DE will load ?
[22:02] <cwillu> ikus060, uxa is the bleeding edge now :p
[22:03] <acr0nym> if it helps here's a screenshot: http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/261/screenshotghs.png
[22:03] <Stupendoussteve> linny2: From what I have heard Jaunty uses the radeon driver, which doesn't work as well as fglrx
[22:03] <robin0800> ikus060: Do check but a recent update enables exa by default so is not needed now I think unless you what to turn it off
[22:04] <ikus060> robin0800: According to log, it's use exa ..
[22:04] <linny2> Stupendoussteve: well i think 8.10 and 8.04 was sposed to use that too but it didnt work at all well not for me
[22:04] <ikus060> cwillu: I will give it a try, thank for the info
[22:05] <CaMason> Anyone got bluetooth DUN working with blueman / network manager?
[22:05] <cwillu> linny2, fglrx support for several older cards has been discontinued afaik
[22:05] <robin0800> cwillu: I thought UXA was for intel graphics only
[22:05] <acr0nym> brb
[22:05] <linny2> cwillu: hd2600 isnt old tho
[22:05] <cwillu> robin0800, my mistake, yes
[22:06] <ikus060> cwillu: so I will not gove it a try ! :S
[22:06] <funkyHat> linny2: for ati cards up to r500 (not you I think) the open source drivers are now much better, I think you can still use fglrx though because you have a newer card
[22:06] <cwillu> linny2, I'd expect vesa to work automatically at the very least
[22:06] <linny2> cwillu: the puzzling thing for me is all the drivers work when installed manually
[22:06] <ikus060> robin0800: It's seams that xorg.conf is .. empty. Is it a new feature in Jaunty or what ?
[22:07] <cwillu> ikus060, that's back in intrepid
[22:07] <cwillu> most setups are autoconfigured now
[22:07] <ikus060> hey hey, I jump over Intrepid
[22:07] <Stupendoussteve> ikus060: It's configured automatically, xorg.conf is only needed for specific issues (like my system which insists every piece of nvidia nforce hardware is a video card)
[22:08] <ActionParsnip1> ikus060: they are trying to oust xorg.conf
[22:08] <ikus060> cwillu: now thay I want to put some 'option' where I pull it ?
[22:08] <cwillu> ikus060, same way, although depending on the option, you may either not need it, or it may be configurable via xrandr
[22:08] <ikus060> ActionParsnip1: good to know
[22:08] <linny2> im just trying to evaluate whether its worth upgrading if i have to mess around with it all agin i dont think ill bother but i thoght maybe it may have been fixed and the gui desktop works out of the box as it were
[22:08] <ikus060> ActionParsnip1: It's a relly good thing !
[22:08] <robin0800> ikus060: yes thats why you have to go though the reboot rigmorall to get a root prompt to run Xorg -configure
[22:09] <ActionParsnip1> ikus060: i dont think so, seems people got sick of configuring the file as far as i can see, probably because they cant read man pages
[22:09] <ikus060> robin0800: and doing so will create me a xorg.conf file with a Driver section for my ati card ? right ?
[22:09] <funkyHat> ikus060: you still put it in Xorg.conf, it will be read if it is there
[22:09] <ActionParsnip1> ikus060: but it all been handled by other stuff now
[22:10] <funkyHat> ikus060: if you need to set something that's not handled automatically
[22:11] <ActionParsnip1> ikus060: you CAN use xorg.conf old skool style and it will circumvent the new stuff
[22:11] <robin0800> ikus060: yes but they will all be disabled and the file is put in the root and not X11 so you have to change it and copy it
[22:11] <acr0nym> well at least hibernation is working fine
[22:12] <acr0nym> so no ideas about the software sources problem?
[22:13] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: whats your issue?
[22:14] <acr0nym> heh just talked about it
[22:14] <acr0nym> 1 sec I'll see if I can copy it from above
 yes when I try to import my *.pub key I cannot browse further than /home/acr0nym/
[22:15] <acr0nym> I just imported my *.pub key...but I went around the problem
[22:15] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: sudo apt-key add <key file here>
[22:15] <acr0nym> I just typed the path into location
[22:15] <acr0nym> and it imported it
[22:15] <acr0nym> but I still can't browse into Desktop with the Software Sources application
[22:16] <acr0nym> it isn't a problem for me but perhaps it's a bug that can be fixed in a future release
[22:16] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: can you give us the ls -la ~/Desktop    output
[22:17] <acr0nym> http://paste2.org/p/182235
[22:18] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: you have full access and are the owner
[22:18] <acr0nym> yep
[22:19] <acr0nym> also tried with sudo -s
[22:20] <acr0nym> does it work fine on  your desktops?
[22:21] <maxb> yes, it works fine for me
[22:21] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: hmm, not sure, you could maybe delete the folder then recreate it but i dont know if that will affect anything else
[22:21] <acr0nym> can you use this command without any problems?: sudo chmod -R 750 /home/$USER
[22:21] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: i dont have the Desktop folder
[22:21] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: sure
[22:22] <acr0nym> well I used today's build of the ubuntu desktop iso, checked the md5 hash and used ext4 as the filesystem
[22:22] <acr0nym> and adding the authentication key was the first thing I did as I was trying to install some extra stuff
[22:23] <acr0nym> anyway fixed for me now :) but don't be surprised if someone else comes along with the same problem :P
[22:23] <acr0nym> thanks again for all the help
[22:24] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: maybe its ext4 being weird
[22:25] <ikus060> robin0800: Well I modify the file ans restart. The option are now enable
[22:25] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: afaik, ext4 isnt advised right now
[22:25] <acr0nym> dunno, cwillu advised me to use ext3 instead, but my stubbornness chose ext4 :P
[22:25] <ikus060> robin0800: I guess I will see the improvement over time
[22:26] <msd> anyone using blueman for a2dp?
[22:26] <acr0nym> if this is the only problem then it's not a really big deal
[22:26] <acr0nym> also this is probably just me but ubuntu comes with a lot of bloatware
[22:26] <acr0nym> what's up with all the games hehe
[22:27] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: which games
[22:27] <acr0nym> the ones that come standard with the install
[22:28] <Neon_> thats ubuntu not kubuntu
[22:28] <Neon_> cuz mine didn't come with any games
[22:28] <acr0nym> isn't kubuntu just ubuntu+kde
[22:28] <acr0nym> (minus gnome_
[22:28] <acr0nym> )
[22:28] <cwillu> acr0nym, I'm using it too, just don't come crying if you encounter bug 330824 :p
[22:28] <Neon_> or i uninstalled them in 8.12 before installing jaunty
[22:28] <acr0nym> :D
[22:28] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: yep but without gnome and metacity
[22:28] <Neon_> it is but they don't come with the same programs installed
[22:28] <acr0nym> what are you guys on?
[22:29] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: kubuntu jaunty + lxde
[22:29] <Neon_> kubuntu jaunty
[22:29] <acr0nym> ok, what are the real benefits for running kubuntu
[22:29] <acr0nym> kde programs?
[22:29] <acr0nym> haven't really used kubuntu before only read about it
[22:29] <cwillu> it's gnome vs kde.  If you prefer kde, use kubuntu
[22:29] <ActionParsnip1> i use amarok and ktorrent heavily
[22:29] <Neon_> yea and the kde enviroment
[22:29] <ActionParsnip1> the rest is intransient to me
[22:30] <Neon_> me too
[22:30] <acr0nym> hmm I'd like to try it out :P
[22:30] <acr0nym> what's the command?
[22:30] <Neon_> this is a kubuntu channel by the way
[22:30] <acr0nym> sudo apt-get install kubuntu ?
[22:30] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[22:30] <cwillu> -desktop
[22:30] <acr0nym> really?
[22:30] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: yep
[22:30] <acr0nym> ah I thought this was a jaunty channel in general
[22:30] <acr0nym> ok
[22:30] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: then log off, change session type, log on
[22:30] <acr0nym> ok
[22:31] <acr0nym> 1 sec gonna remove some apps first
[22:31] <cwillu> acr0nym, it is
[22:31] <cwillu> #kubuntu+1 redirects here
[22:32] <Neon_> acrOnym:  sorry my mistake
[22:32] <Neon_> its jaunty for both
[22:32] <acr0nym> :)
[22:32] <Neon_> i'm scared about keeping jaunty
[22:33] <acr0nym> what is the difference between removal and complete removal in synaptic packet manager?
[22:33] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: complete removes the old config too
[22:33] <Nytrix> when will 9.04 be out? whats the exact date?
[22:33] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: removal keeps the config so if you reinstall it will be setup the same
[22:34] <user_> !jaunty > Nytrix
[22:34] <msd> first RC will come
[22:34] <msd> 15th
[22:34] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: at command line the complete removal would add --purge to the command
[22:34] <msd> 16th
[22:34] <Neon_> ho way
[22:34] <Neon_> no way
[22:34] <Neon_> its like the 23rd
[22:34] <acr0nym> ah ok
[22:34] <acr0nym> thanks
[22:34] <msd> thats the final
[22:34] <Nytrix> Ubuntu 9.04, due April 23rd, 2009
[22:34] <Nytrix> thanks
[22:34] <Barridus> can you create a panel launcher to a document in jaunty?  i can never seem to get that to work at all
[22:35] <msd> RC comes out 16th
[22:35] <acr0nym> when I install kubuntu-desktop it doesn't uninstall gnome right
[22:35] <msd> thats between Beta and final ;D
[22:35] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: nope, just installs kde + some apps
[22:35] <Neon_> msd: whats RC?
[22:35] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: you can also install xubuntu-desktop
[22:35] <msd> Release Candidate
[22:35] <acr0nym> yep but that's too light :P
[22:35] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: you can install as many deskto penvironments and window managers as you have space
[22:35] <acr0nym> actually a light desktop wouldn't even be that bad
[22:35] <acr0nym> I'm on an eee pc right
[22:36] <acr0nym> now
[22:36] <acr0nym> asus 1000he
[22:36] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: i personally use kde for kde apps but i prefer lxde for lightness
[22:36] <acr0nym> what about just running kde apps in gnome?
[22:36] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: sorry its large: http://www.bolivarlug.org.ve/site/files/pantallazos/pud-lxde-2.jpg
[22:37] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: thats fine too, as long as you have the dependancys you can nrun any app
[22:37] <acr0nym> looks pretty sweet :)
[22:37] <acr0nym> how come you still have the install button on your desktop?
[22:38] <Neon_> anyone elses comp crash after install of fglrx drivers?
[22:38] <Neon_> this sucks cuz i can't play games
[22:38] <acr0nym> brb
[22:38] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: thats not mine
[22:38] <acr0nym> o ok
[22:38] <Barridus> acr0nym, there's also the netbook remix of gnome that's designed for netbooks
[22:38] <acr0nym> yep I use netbook remix on intrepid
[22:38] <Barridus> i don't really care for it yet though
[22:38] <acr0nym> it's pretty nice but as far as I can see it only adds a netbook launcher in the background
[22:38] <Barridus> i'm on an aspireone myself
[22:39] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: ive not used it, i use puppy on my netbook
[22:39] <Barridus> i'd just rather fiddle with gnome panels and such, UNR is kind of sluggish
[22:39] <Barridus> and some annoying bugs
[22:40] <Neon_> my ATI card could play games in intrepid but it can't in jaunty
[22:41] <Neon_> anyone have a solution for this?
[22:41] <ActionParsnip1> Neon_: drivers
[22:42] <Neon_> the fglrx drivers that are out crash my system
[22:42] <ActionParsnip1> Neon_: you are running a beta system, you will most likely get errors
[22:42] <Barridus> can someone assist me in adding a document launcher to the top panel, please?  i can never seem to get it to work
[22:43] <Neon_> yea
[22:43] <Neon_> but do you know if they will release the drivers for jaunty with its official release?
[22:44] <Barridus> drivers are highly tied into the kernel (s) available
[22:44] <ActionParsnip1> Neon_: not sure personally. I avoid ati myself
[22:44] <Barridus> you might find the newest kernel updates don't support yet what the last one or two did
[22:44] <mFacenet> Neon_: I would image in the days following the stable release
[22:45] <Neon_> Barridus:  so does that mean i'm screwed?
[22:45] <Barridus> nah
[22:45] <linny2> Neon_: what ati card do you have ?
[22:45] <Neon_> Barridus:  Should i just play the waiting game then?  Or buy a new card?
[22:45] <Neon_> radeon xpress 200
[22:45] <Barridus> i walked into this halfway
[22:45] <acr0nym> when the stable jaunty is out
[22:45] <Stupendoussteve> Nvidia works fine, as always
[22:46] <acr0nym> will we be able to update or do we have to do a fresh install?
[22:46] <Stupendoussteve> Update
[22:46] <Barridus> but jaunty is still beta, don't pull out the wallet yet
[22:46] <acr0nym> cool
[22:46] <Barridus> i've had more luck with out of the box hardware support with jaunty than any other linux
[22:46] <Barridus> have faith
[22:47] <Neon_> i'll try
[22:47] <Barridus> what is the deal with it?  just 3d not working?  you still get a stable environment otherwise?
[22:47] <Neon_> yup
[22:47] <acr0nym> isn't ubuntu supposed to be call gubuntu? ;)
[22:47] <acr0nym> called*
[22:47] <Stupendoussteve> No
[22:47] <acr0nym> lol why not
[22:47] <Barridus> yeah then you can stick it out
[22:47] <Stupendoussteve> Default Ubuntu uses gnome, the others are alternatives
[22:47] <acr0nym> you have kde + ubuntu = kubuntu
[22:47] <acr0nym> oh ok
[22:48] <Barridus> nvidia can be terrible with drivers too
[22:48] <Barridus> any proprietary driver source can be
[22:48] <Barridus> cuz they don't care like the open source crew do
[22:48] <Stupendoussteve> nvidia has supported open source quite well
[22:48] <Stupendoussteve> for some time
[22:48] <Neon_> is there any particular brand that is more linux friendly?
[22:49] <Barridus> tell that to my inspiron laptop :)
[22:49] <Stupendoussteve> nvidia is generally more friendly than ati
[22:49] <Stupendoussteve> If you have old hardware it may not be as well supported, but it's the same on windows
[22:49] <Neon_> how bout intel graphics?
[22:49] <Stupendoussteve> Neon_: Was just gonna mention them
[22:49] <Stupendoussteve> the intel drivers are open source
[22:49] <Barridus> intel graphics are awesome in linux
[22:49] <ActionParsnip1> i always buy nvidia gfx due to awesome support
[22:49] <Neon_> that'll be my next card then
[22:49] <Stupendoussteve> Yes, for the most part. I see texture glitches every once in a while
[22:50] <Neon_> thanx a lot guys you're really helpin me out
[22:50] <funkyHat> Neon_: intel are the most linux friendly at the moment, ati will be as well soon, the hardware specs for ati stuff is out now, it's just taking a while to get the open source ati drivers up to scratch
[22:50] <acr0nym> ati will be as well soon?
[22:50] <Barridus> np
[22:50] <acr0nym> I thought ati wasn't open source
[22:50] <acr0nym> since when did they change?
[22:51] <Barridus> also consider linux and open source is on the rise
[22:51] <Barridus> so they're opening their eyes some
[22:51] <Sylphid> hey all, could anyone tell me more about this update-manager warning?  ... upgradable but no canidateOrigin?!?:  xchat
[22:51] <funkyHat> acr0nym: fglrx isn't open source, but since the AMD takeover ati have been more OSS friendly, they have released hardware specs for all ati cards
[22:51] <funkyHat> acr0nym: cards up to r500 are well supported (including 3d) now
[22:52] <funkyHat> not perfectly supported, but pretty good, and open
[22:52] <acr0nym> ah ok, cause I was reading recently on xbmc.org that ati still had a lot of poort support in linux because of closed drivers
[22:52] <Neon_> sadly that doesn't include mine
[22:52] <Neon_> well not in jaunty atleast
[22:52] <Barridus> it'll work out
[22:53] <acr0nym> I actually had a eee box b204 that had an ati card, basically xbmc runs in ubuntu but I couldn't play 720p files because the ati drivers wouldn't allow gpu offloading
[22:53] <Barridus> sounds like a cop out answer but i believe it will
[22:53] <acr0nym> and nvidia cards did work heh
[22:53] <acr0nym> was a real bummer at the time
[22:53] <Barridus> everyone has different experiences really
[22:53] <Barridus> especially with closed source
[22:53] <Barridus> cuz it's all so seperate
[22:54] <Barridus> and then there's sports team bias
[22:54] <funkyHat> Neon_: I think you can install fglrx in jaunty if your card isn't properly supported by xorg-ati (although I can't guarantee that because my card is r500)
[22:55] <Neon_> i did
[22:55] <Neon_> but it crashed at log in
[22:55] <Neon_> so i had to uninstall it throught the root menu
[22:55] <funkyHat> Neon_: oh :(
[22:55] <Barridus> i don't use compiz on my netbook really
[22:55] <Neon_> so i'm positive fglrx wa the prob
[22:55] <Barridus> i prefer clean and fast over eye candy
[22:55] <ActionParsnip1> Barridus: i wouldnt advise it personally
[22:55] <ActionParsnip1> Barridus: exaactly
[22:56] <Neon_> i don't like compiz either
[22:56] <Barridus> and it's not a gaming rig anyways XD
[22:56] <Barridus> i don't game on computer :)
[22:56] <ActionParsnip1> Barridus: i play fretsonfire
[22:57] <ActionParsnip1> Barridus: thats about it
[22:57] <Neon_> i wonder if i can play that currently
[22:57] <ActionParsnip1> !info fretsonfire
[22:57] <Barridus> i only play irc, pidgin, and firefox and firefox these days :D
[22:57] <ActionParsnip1> Neon_: you'll need direct rendering
[22:58] <Barridus> i was not aware asus eeepc had non-intel gpu
[22:58] <acr0nym> it did have an intel chipset
[22:58] <acr0nym> but the videocard was from ati
[22:58] <Neon_> are the ati cards cheaper than even intel?
[22:59] <Neon_> i was hopeing intel would be the cheapest ones
[22:59] <acr0nym> dunno
[22:59] <Neon_> i know they're cheaper than Nvidea
[22:59] <acr0nym> it really depends on the specific card
[23:00] <Neon_> yea but they come out with rival cards
[23:00] <acr0nym> what do you guys think about xubuntu vs lxde
[23:00] <acr0nym> lol I wanted to install kubuntu
[23:00] <acr0nym> After this operation, 905MB of additional disk space will be used.
[23:00] <acr0nym> haha that much
[23:02] <remu> I was trying to install firefox-3.5 after it installed it kept giving me a "Bus error (core dumped)" so after I tried removing it, I now keep getting this message from apt whenever I try to do something. How can I resolve it? http://pastebin.com/d1319fad6
[23:04] <Neon_> its not that i'm a gamer.  Its that it makes me mad to know that i don't have 3d or 2d acceleration
[23:04] <Neon_> but since i'm dual booting its not the end of the world i guess
[23:05] <Neon_> although it is a victory for the proprietary world
[23:06] <acr0nym> meh does kubuntu really have to come with all those extra apps?
[23:06] <acr0nym> I never asked for amarok or openoffice to be installed ;)
[23:07] <Neon_> atleast its not installing koffice
[23:07] <Neon_> i didn't like koffice really
[23:08] <ActionParsnip1> Neon_: if you want a word processor only, use abiword
[23:08] <acr0nym> or use google docs :)
[23:08] <acr0nym> omg lol kubuntu is installing cups again
[23:08] <deany> whats that online image editor like
[23:08] <acr0nym> I just removed that haha
[23:09] <deany> spotify whatever it is.
[23:09] <acr0nym> deany try www.pxlr.com
[23:09] <acr0nym> looks a bit like photoshop
[23:09] <acr0nym> sorry pixlr.com
[23:09] <deany> till someone replaces photoshop, i`ll keep usin it  :)
[23:10] <ikus060> Neon_: Sorry, I did follow the discussion. What are your video card ??
[23:10] <Neon_> don't like gimp?
[23:10] <deany> nah i saw some thing on tv today, spotify
[23:10] <acr0nym> meh gimp is awful
[23:10] <deany> or something
[23:10] <deany> just wondered.
[23:10] <Neon_> ikus060: ati radeon xpress 200
[23:10] <deany> gimp is great.. really for free its fantastic
[23:10] <ActionParsnip1> deany: gimpshop
[23:10] <acr0nym> all those loose menus, it's really confusing especially if you're coming from photoshop
[23:10] <deany> but there is a reason 1 is free and 1 is not
[23:10] <ActionParsnip1> !info gimpshop
[23:10] <acr0nym> gimpshop hasn't been supported for over a year now
[23:10] <acr0nym> looked into it about a week ago
[23:11] <ActionParsnip1> as i see if if you can learn one, you can learn another
[23:11] <acr0nym> btw is "hasn't been supported" correct english? hehe
[23:11] <acr0nym> not a native english speaker
[23:11] <ActionParsnip1> plus cs4 platinum is 230 GBP its worth learning
[23:12] <acr0nym> well ubuntu is free and I don't see why photoshop can't be also :p
[23:12] <ActionParsnip1> because its not a free app, linux is free
[23:12] <acr0nym> yes I know I was hinting at getting it free without paying lol
[23:12] <ActionParsnip1> i hate piracy
[23:12] <Neon_> how many prog can wine suppor treally?
[23:12] <ActionParsnip1> i think its pathetic
[23:13] <ActionParsnip1> !appdb | Neon_
[23:13] <acr0nym> I often find myself buying good programs after I've used them for a while
[23:13] <acr0nym> bought mirc when I was on windows
[23:13] <acr0nym> woohoo my kubuntu-desktop install is finished
[23:13] <acr0nym> I just have to log out and log back in right?
[23:13] <ActionParsnip1> i never understood mirc, so many free irc clients but everyone used mirc which is paid for. go figure
[23:13] <acr0nym> LOL
[23:14] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: log off, change session type, log in
[23:14] <acr0nym> nah I've used mIRC back in 1998 when it was the old good irc client around
[23:14] <acr0nym> that was my main reason
[23:14] <acr0nym> be back in a sec
[23:14] <Neon_> i know what wine is, lol.  Its just that i've had bad experiences using it
[23:14] <Neon_> like with counter strike
[23:14] <Neon_> if it can't run that i don't know what it can run
[23:15] <Neon_> i'll check if it has a list of programs that it can only run
[23:15] <ActionParsnip1> Neon_: read the factoid
[23:16] <ActionParsnip1> Neon_: it shows you the appdb, a list of apps that run
[23:16] <ActionParsnip1> Neon_: and don'y
[23:16] <Neon_> don't what?
[23:16] <ActionParsnip1> don't run
[23:16] <ActionParsnip1> some wont even install
[23:16] <Neon_> oh ok
[23:16] <ActionParsnip1> some perform better than the windows installs
[23:16] <acr0nym> lol when I log out it automatically logs back into gnome
[23:17] <acr0nym> where can I disable autologin
[23:17] <acr0nym> I looked into users/groups...it's not there
[23:17] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: you didnt change the session type
[23:17] <acr0nym> I didn't have the chance
[23:17] <acr0nym> it automatically logged back into gnome because of the autologin
[23:17] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: when you log off, you can change it
[23:17] <acr0nym> when I log off, the screen goes black and after a few secs it automatically logs back into gnome
[23:18] <acr0nym> I can't even change the session type
[23:18] <ActionParsnip1> acr0nym: then kill autologon
[23:18] <ActionParsnip1> you may be able to do this
[23:18] <ActionParsnip1> alt+f2     kwibn --replace
[23:20] <ActionParsnip1> kwin   sorry
[23:20] <ActionParsnip1> typo
[23:21] <Neon_> wow turns out wine can run cs 3 with minor issues
[23:23] <ActionParsnip1> yep
[23:23] <ActionParsnip1> it can run quite a lot
[23:23] <acr0nym> omg lol
[23:24] <acr0nym> the login window manager is too big for my desktop
[23:24] <acr0nym> can't even see the close button
[23:24] <eegore> does thatalso mean wine can run viruses too? ;)
[23:24] <bjsnider> yes it can
[23:24] <eegore> you bet
[23:25] <Logi> hello - after installing kubuntu alpha 6 (I think it was) and then steadily upgrading, at one point installing the ubuntu-desktop and then uninstaling it, I've now got the sound system locking up the machine occasionally. I'm wondering if I've ended up with a weird combination of sound systems and libraries?
[23:25] <ActionParsnip1> eegore: sure, it will infect the ~/.wine directory but will sit there doing nothing while no wine apps run afaik
[23:25] <bjsnider> it could infect the whole home directory
[23:25] <bjsnider> but couldn't break out of that
[23:25] <eegore> then wine with clamd running in the background
[23:26] <dupondje> I'm trying to make a OpenVPN connection, but get 'No Valid Secrets Found' when i'm trying to connect, any id whats wrong ?
[23:26] <ActionParsnip1> well its a windows virus so wont touch the linux stuff
[23:26] <ActionParsnip1> !sound | logi
[23:26] <eegore> yes but it can still infect other systems
[23:26] <eegore> kind of like Typhoid Mary
[23:26] <Logi> alsa check. It works, you now, but when amarok is progressing to the next song, some times the whoel system locks up
[23:27] <Logi> phonon is set to use the intel soundcard first, falling back to pulse audio (which probably sin't going to do anything)
[23:27]  * Logi goes to read that page
[23:27] <eegore> Logi: I noticed that a lot
[23:28] <eegore> Amarok getts a little intensive when it parses the database
[23:28] <Logi> that page seems to assume that sound is just not working at all and that you're using the gnome apps :-/
[23:28] <acr0nym> on kubuntu now
[23:28] <acr0nym> looks pretty nifty :)
[23:28] <Logi> eegore: hmm... so it could be not sound related at all?
[23:28] <eegore> right
[23:28] <Logi> acr0nym: kde is crawling out of the hole they dug for themselves
[23:28] <acr0nym> must say that I really like the startup thingy
[23:29] <Logi> eegore: it has happened at other times, butr this was the strongest single trigger I could find...
[23:29] <acr0nym> looks a bit like vista/win7
[23:29] <acr0nym> are there any netbook themes out there for kubuntu
[23:29] <acr0nym> I guess I should google that :P
[23:30] <Duckthis> Hi, need help out therre.
[23:30] <eegore> run htop and look at what happens to cpu and sytem when it changes songs, it will start a parsing routing that is rather intensive not to mention it will periodically update its database and use even more resources
[23:30] <Logi> eegore: ok... if I sty silent for longer than one song's worth, that means it locked up :)
[23:30] <eegore> right
[23:31] <Duckthis> When I run Package manager, it make me Ubuntu crash
[23:31] <Duckthis> It says that "Duplicated repositorys"
[23:31] <Duckthis> How do I fix?
[23:31] <Logi> I've also some times seen X start completely hogging one of my two cpu cores. That gets very tired.
[23:32] <Duckthis> How can I manually fix my repository list?
[23:32] <Duckthis> What's the file to edit?
[23:32] <Logi> Duckthis: /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:33] <Duckthis> Thank's
[23:33] <eegore> Duckthis: open your /etc/apt/sources.list with an editor as root and remove duplicte entrys that you find
[23:33] <acr0nym> what's the keyboard shortcut to go to the desktop
[23:34] <acr0nym> in windows it's windows logo + m
[23:34] <acr0nym> heh
[23:34] <Logi> (that mutes my sound in kubuntu/amarok)
[23:34] <Duckthis> Can somebody fix it for me? I'll post it in paste.ubuntu.com
[23:35] <acr0nym> hmm how do I install kde themes?
[23:36] <acr0nym> i have the tar.gz file
[23:37] <bjsnider> i wonder if #kubuntu wouln't be better for kde questions, even though it isn't strictly for jaunty
[23:37] <funkyHat> acr0nym: in windows it's win+d, it's also that here I believe
[23:38] <acr0nym> yep windows +d or windows+m
[23:38] <acr0nym> d=desktop m=minimize
[23:38] <funkyHat> acr0nym: the two are not the same, unless you only have 1 window open
[23:39] <acr0nym> they worked the same for me
[23:39] <acr0nym> even with multiple windows
[23:39] <acr0nym> windows+m minimized all windows
[23:39] <acr0nym> lol pretty funny we're talking about windows in the jaunty channel :D
[23:40] <zash> RRRR
[23:40] <funkyHat> I have a pidgin crasher bug which was marked as a duplicate of #357949 but I'm pretty sure it's not
[23:41] <bjsnider> so go back to launchpad and fight it
[23:45] <funkyHat> Can I remove duplicate status, or should I just comment/attach stuff?
[23:45] <bjsnider> i'd comment. make an argument. present evidence
[23:45] <linxuz3r> 904 is gonna be released when?
[23:45] <bjsnider> april 23
[23:46] <bjsnider> 12 days from now
[23:46] <linxuz3r> bjsnider do you have a link for that?
[23:46] <eegore> so on that day, go dist upgrade eh
[23:46] <bjsnider> linxuz3r, google jaunty release schedule
[23:47] <acr0nym> there isn't an option called icons
[23:47] <acr0nym> I can see the appearance menu
[23:47] <acr0nym> but I have to add everything manually
[23:48] <acr0nym> whoops
[23:48] <acr0nym> wrong window
[23:49] <linxuz3r> isnt it karmic koala?
[23:49] <funkyHat> linxuz3r: karmic is 9.10
[23:49] <bjsnider> no, that 9.10, in october
[23:49] <whileimhere> !upgrade
[23:49] <whileimhere> whats the CLI to start an upgrade?
[23:50] <eegore> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:51] <whileimhere> is it really buggy still or ssafe enough to start an upgrade for an average user?
[23:51] <eegore> whileimhere: get that ^
[23:52] <whileimhere> ?
[23:52] <eegore> IO am using it now
[23:52] <eegore> yep
[23:53] <eegore> shipping is about 50
[23:53] <acr0nym> is the sudo apt-get specifically for normal ubunt?
[23:53] <acr0nym> I can use it with kubuntu right
[23:54] <mprice> yes acr0nym
[23:54] <acr0nym> heh kind of a stupid question. I could've just trie
[23:54] <acr0nym> d
[23:55] <GillesM> on 9.03 b I have problem sometime on display ... I have part of screen not well displayed idea ?
[23:55] <GillesM> before on 8.10 all was fine .