nailoraapport-gtk could display something like "hey there... unfortunately i was told that program you wanted to used has just crashed. you can file a bug report on launchpad (without proper retrace) by clicking *HERE*. there is a core file containing further info - click *HERE* to save it or *HERE* to retrace it (requires gdb and debug packages installed, but helps the ubuntu developers a lot)"00:01
BUGabundonailora: to much info for most of the users00:09
BUGabundoLP retracers are able to do 50% of the job00:09
bdmurrayBUGabundo: keep in mind only devel users would see that00:09
BUGabundoif it fails, then devs request powerfull users to debug it00:10
BUGabundoyes bdmurray, but still, after beta, *we* get common users, not advanced ones00:10
BUGabundoand apport still fires a but00:10
imachineI actually think apport could be even easier, well, launchpad could.00:14
imachinesince it asks you about things at times like how would you describe a bug, etc., sometimes requiring a bit more professional a description, than the user can provide.00:14
imachineoverall it;s not bad, but it's confusing; but that seems more of a launchpad issue.00:15
BUGabundoimachine: that's why we have triage team00:15
BUGabundousers that go around those bugs, and ask (new) users what they need to do to improve the bug00:15
imachineyes, that's useful!00:16
imachineif it works and works good, it's np.00:16
nailorayou would have to think about it a bit. you could hide it in "advanced" section. however personally i would much more likely provide a properly retraced report if it was a one-click thing. ... right now i click "report bug" but if i had the chance i would let apport save the core, download&install the debug-packages and upload the generated backtrace. but until a few minutes ago i did not even know how to get a core to file to give to gdb 00:16
nailorathinking about the core files, i probably threw away quite a lot of good quality material00:17
nailorai think apport made it a lot easier to provide quite useful bug reports, but if it was just as easy to report even better reports that automatically include a proper retrace why would you want to NOT have this?00:18
imachinemore options confuse people. imho.00:22
andresmujicahi all, is there a way to automatically undupe some bugs and let them as they were at a certain date?  someone marked a bunch of BT bugs that i don't really see related between them..00:28
BUGabundoandresmujica: not that I know of. maybe ask in #launchpad or ML ?00:32
bdmurrayandresmujica: I could probably help with that.00:32
hggdhandresmujica, not automagically reverting the bugs to the previous state they were, no00:33
andresmujicabug #31846500:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 318465 in bluez "Logitech MX5000 doesn't connect via bluetooth under ubuntu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31846500:33
hggdhbut the master has spoken...00:33
bdmurrayBut you could script unduping and invaliditing them.00:33
andresmujicamaybe i wrong or missing something but all the those bugs marked as dup aren't really dupes from that bug...00:33
andresmujicai'm unmarking manually.. at least the ones that seemed to be worked on..00:34
andresmujicaall were marked the 04/04/0900:34
bdmurrayandresmujica: were you going to wait for a response first?00:35
andresmujicawell , there are some that were worked at a different metabug, so i'm checking now those..00:36
andresmujicaand for the rest i'll wait.00:36
andresmujicamaybe i won't... let me finish the check..00:38
BUGabundoone more user expereincing exaclty the same crashs as me.... very very strange... and just a week to RC :(00:42
BUGabundoogasawara: ping00:52
BUGabundoare you still around?00:52
BUGabundobdmurray: ping00:57
ubottuUbuntu bug 359051 in xorg "Desktop freeze #41" [Undecided,New]00:57
BUGabundowhy did you mark it against xorg?00:57
bdmurraydrm:i915_get_vblank_counter] *ERROR* trying to get vblank count for disabled pipe 0 ?00:59
BUGabundosince the users descrived similar system freeze as I did on bug 35923101:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 359231 in linux "system freeze and kernel panic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35923101:00
andresmujicathe vblank_counter message is similar what's described in bug 34136301:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 341363 in linux "[i945GME] drm:i915_getparam *ERROR* Unknown parameter 6" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34136301:12
andresmujicathe disabled pipe 0 is part of the message, florian described a method to repeat it.01:12
andresmujicai'm having those messages and the desktop freeze too... :( got to ssh and sudo reboot the laptop01:13
andresmujicabut i don't get the kernel panic as bugabundo01:15
BUGabundoI rather not have it either01:15
andresmujicabluetooth is an area that needs a lot of love...01:37
cowbellemooWould bug 358947 be a dupe of 336158?  Or does the rt version of the kernel make it a separate issue?03:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 358947 in linux-rt "Toshiba Satellite L300 failure to suspend (linux-image-2.6.28-3-rt)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35894703:05
BUGabundobug 33615803:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 336158 in linux "[TOSHIBA Satellite L300] suspend/resume failure" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33615803:06
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Hewcharles_m: Hi06:32
Hewcharles_m: you can file bugs at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug06:36
charles_mok, thanks!06:36
Hewcharles_m: Any other questions, feel free to ask :-)06:36
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paddy2706hy everyone, i just upgraded my jaunty machine and i get a udev error, for udev 141-1: http://paste.ubuntu.com/148791/10:18
imachineno probs here10:19
imachinetry reinstalling udev?10:19
imachinedunno :)10:20
paddy2706i tried reinstalling udev 140-2 and 141-1 but same result10:27
paddy2706from what i found online, my computer wont boot any more, because udev wouldnt populate the devices10:29
savvaspaddy2706: try dpkg-reconfigure udev10:38
paddy2706/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: udev is broken or not completely installed10:39
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savvaswanna try something *really* risky? :)10:39
paddy2706maybe ? ;)10:40
savvasyou have the udev packages handy?10:40
paddy2706i have udev 140-2 and 141-110:40
savvaspaddy2706: ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_141-1_*.deb10:41
savvaswhat does that show?10:41
paddy2706-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 337690 2009-04-09 03:05 /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_141-1_amd64.deb10:41
savvasok great10:42
savvasyou're in recovery/root mode now?10:42
paddy2706no im in normal user mode i havent rebooted yet10:42
savvasI have never tried this, but here goes: sudo dpkg -P --force-all udev; sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_141-1_amd64.deb10:43
savvasit's a one liner10:43
paddy2706ok now i have a different message10:44
paddy2706Behalte Ā»local diversion of /sbin/udevadm to /sbin/udevadm.upgradeĀ« bei10:44
paddy2706Richte udev ein (141-1) ...10:44
paddy2706invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/udev not found.10:44
savvasdo: ls -l /etc/init.d/udev10:44
paddy2706lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2008-12-17 10:50 /etc/init.d/udev -> udev_nocache10:45
savvasthat's weird10:45
savvaspaddy2706: sudo rm -f /etc/init.d/udev; sudo aptitude reinstall udev10:45
savvaspaddy2706: still there? :)10:47
paddy2706yeah - libindicate0 was removed but i still get the same result10:47
paddy2706invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/udev not found.10:47
savvaswheow you scared me :p10:48
savvasok try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure udev10:48
paddy2706/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: udev is broken or not completely installed10:48
savvasI can give you my init10:49
savvashold a sec10:49
paddy2706wait a sec10:49
paddy2706i just checked the contents of /etc/init.d10:49
paddy2706and the the symlink udev points to udev_nocache. that does not exist10:49
paddy2706but i have a udev.dpkg-new10:50
paddy2706that should probably be the right file10:50
savvasmd5sum /etc/init.d/udev.dpkg-new10:50
paddy270671b8a340eacc3df5f99561c3cf4b2853  udev.dpkg-new10:50
savvasthat's the one :)10:50
savvassudo mv /etc/init.d/udev.dpkg-new /etc/init.d/udev10:51
savvasthen sudo aptitude reinstall udev10:51
paddy2706that was it10:52
paddy2706thanks a lot :)10:52
savvascool :)10:52
savvasyou can continue "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade" I think10:52
paddy2706you just saved my day. thanks a lot10:53
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savvasnp :)10:54
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dtchenfor people still experiencing audio glitches (not mute issues!), i'll have test kernels up shortly on kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen17:25
dtchen(bug 345627)17:25
BUGabundodtchen: how about video slowdown?17:25
BUGabundois it audio?17:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 345627 in linux "Crackling / scratching noise using Pulseaudio" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34562717:25
BUGabundomplayer complains about it17:26
dtchenwhat's the complaint from mplayer?17:26
dtchen"your system is too slow"... ?17:27
BUGabundosystem is too slow17:27
BUGabundomight be drivers or audio related17:27
BUGabundothis is a fast machine17:27
BUGabundoand was working fine 3 weeks ago17:27
dtchenwell, these changes are sync-related, so you should try them17:27
BUGabundonow ALL video players are slow17:27
BUGabundowill do17:27
BUGabundofeed back on bug or irc?17:28
dtchenon the bug, please17:31
dtchenirc is fine in addition, but please at least on the bug17:31
BUGabundosure dtchen17:34
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BUGabundodtchen: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/345627/comments/2518:45
ubottuUbuntu bug 345627 in linux "Crackling / scratching noise using Pulseaudio" [Undecided,In progress]18:45
BUGabundomplayer presented me with this:18:45
BUGabundo[pulse] working around probably broken pause functionality, see http://www.pulseaudio.org/ticket/44018:45
dtchenBUGabundo: bug 440 is already fixed19:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 440 in kaffeine-mozilla "Opening media (invoking kaffeine-mozilla) causes Firefox to crash" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44019:00
BUGabundosome one forgot to tell mplayer devs about it19:00
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bcurtiswxbdmurray: i am handling a bug that seems to be as a wishlist item, but the reporter just told me that the brainstorm people told them it was a bug.  bug #359740 .  How should I handle this?22:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 359740 in hal "Volume control should change slower when loud and faster when silent " [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35974022:13
bdmurraybcurtiswx: I think wish list is correct and suggesting it be forwarded upstream would be best.  I'm not certain hal is the correct place for it though.22:16
bcurtiswxbdmurray: ok, will do about the forward.  What controls the volume now?22:17
bcurtiswxbdmurray: http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/gnome-volume-control-pulse is the only thing i could find that seems remotely related22:28
cowbellemooI was told that putting the ubuntu version (ex Jaunty) in a bug report summary would be confusing later on in the next cycle.  Can anyone help me understand why?22:58
savvascowbellemoo: I use: apt-cache policy packagename23:01
savvasit shows the release you're using and the package version and where you got it from :)23:01
cowbellemooHmm okay, so named releases aren't as exact/helpful?23:03
hggdhcowbellemoo, apt-cache policy gives us more than just the version23:04
hggdhand, sometimes, the versions change but the bug stays23:05
cowbellemoohggdh, savvas Thanks23:06
mehallhey all23:26
mehallI'd like to ask that bug #292155 be made medium importance?23:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 292155 in linux "Ubuntu freezes on startup with 2.6.27-7 generic until power button is pressed" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29215523:27
dtchenare you sure it's not a dupe?23:27
mehallI'm going to get jaunty daily, test a newer kernel, but there's a few that have the issue23:27
mehalldtchen: the bug has been around since november23:28
mehallno reported dupes23:28
dtchenit's likely a dupe of some other bug, then. need to check upstream and other distros' bug trackers.23:28
dtchensorry, i can't do the legwork now, as i'm fixing audio bugs.23:29
mehallaudio > me needing acpi, that I can handle23:29

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