| nailora | apport-gtk could display something like "hey there... unfortunately i was told that program you wanted to used has just crashed. you can file a bug report on launchpad (without proper retrace) by clicking *HERE*. there is a core file containing further info - click *HERE* to save it or *HERE* to retrace it (requires gdb and debug packages installed, but helps the ubuntu developers a lot)" | 00:01 |
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| BUGabundo | nailora: to much info for most of the users | 00:09 |
| BUGabundo | LP retracers are able to do 50% of the job | 00:09 |
| bdmurray | BUGabundo: keep in mind only devel users would see that | 00:09 |
| BUGabundo | if it fails, then devs request powerfull users to debug it | 00:10 |
| BUGabundo | yes bdmurray, but still, after beta, *we* get common users, not advanced ones | 00:10 |
| BUGabundo | and apport still fires a but | 00:10 |
| BUGabundo | *bit | 00:10 |
| imachine | I actually think apport could be even easier, well, launchpad could. | 00:14 |
| imachine | since it asks you about things at times like how would you describe a bug, etc., sometimes requiring a bit more professional a description, than the user can provide. | 00:14 |
| imachine | overall it;s not bad, but it's confusing; but that seems more of a launchpad issue. | 00:15 |
| BUGabundo | imachine: that's why we have triage team | 00:15 |
| BUGabundo | users that go around those bugs, and ask (new) users what they need to do to improve the bug | 00:15 |
| imachine | k | 00:16 |
| imachine | yes, that's useful! | 00:16 |
| imachine | if it works and works good, it's np. | 00:16 |
| nailora | you would have to think about it a bit. you could hide it in "advanced" section. however personally i would much more likely provide a properly retraced report if it was a one-click thing. ... right now i click "report bug" but if i had the chance i would let apport save the core, download&install the debug-packages and upload the generated backtrace. but until a few minutes ago i did not even know how to get a core to file to give to gdb | 00:16 |
| nailora | thinking about the core files, i probably threw away quite a lot of good quality material | 00:17 |
| nailora | i think apport made it a lot easier to provide quite useful bug reports, but if it was just as easy to report even better reports that automatically include a proper retrace why would you want to NOT have this? | 00:18 |
| imachine | more options confuse people. imho. | 00:22 |
| andresmujica | hi all, is there a way to automatically undupe some bugs and let them as they were at a certain date? someone marked a bunch of BT bugs that i don't really see related between them.. | 00:28 |
| BUGabundo | andresmujica: not that I know of. maybe ask in #launchpad or ML ? | 00:32 |
| bdmurray | andresmujica: I could probably help with that. | 00:32 |
| hggdh | andresmujica, not automagically reverting the bugs to the previous state they were, no | 00:33 |
| andresmujica | bug #318465 | 00:33 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 318465 in bluez "Logitech MX5000 doesn't connect via bluetooth under ubuntu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/318465 | 00:33 |
| hggdh | but the master has spoken... | 00:33 |
| bdmurray | But you could script unduping and invaliditing them. | 00:33 |
| andresmujica | maybe i wrong or missing something but all the those bugs marked as dup aren't really dupes from that bug... | 00:33 |
| andresmujica | i'm unmarking manually.. at least the ones that seemed to be worked on.. | 00:34 |
| andresmujica | all were marked the 04/04/09 | 00:34 |
| bdmurray | andresmujica: were you going to wait for a response first? | 00:35 |
| andresmujica | well , there are some that were worked at a different metabug, so i'm checking now those.. | 00:36 |
| andresmujica | and for the rest i'll wait. | 00:36 |
| andresmujica | hmppff.. | 00:37 |
| andresmujica | maybe i won't... let me finish the check.. | 00:38 |
| BUGabundo | one more user expereincing exaclty the same crashs as me.... very very strange... and just a week to RC :( | 00:42 |
| BUGabundo | ogasawara: ping | 00:52 |
| BUGabundo | are you still around? | 00:52 |
| BUGabundo | bdmurray: ping | 00:57 |
| BUGabundo | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/359051/+activity | 00:57 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 359051 in xorg "Desktop freeze 2.6.8.11 #41" [Undecided,New] | 00:57 |
| BUGabundo | why did you mark it against xorg? | 00:57 |
| bdmurray | drm:i915_get_vblank_counter] *ERROR* trying to get vblank count for disabled pipe 0 ? | 00:59 |
| BUGabundo | ok | 01:00 |
| BUGabundo | since the users descrived similar system freeze as I did on bug 359231 | 01:00 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 359231 in linux "system freeze and kernel panic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/359231 | 01:00 |
| andresmujica | the vblank_counter message is similar what's described in bug 341363 | 01:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 341363 in linux "[i945GME] drm:i915_getparam *ERROR* Unknown parameter 6" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/341363 | 01:12 |
| andresmujica | the disabled pipe 0 is part of the message, florian described a method to repeat it. | 01:12 |
| andresmujica | i'm having those messages and the desktop freeze too... :( got to ssh and sudo reboot the laptop | 01:13 |
| andresmujica | but i don't get the kernel panic as bugabundo | 01:15 |
| BUGabundo | :( | 01:15 |
| BUGabundo | I rather not have it either | 01:15 |
| andresmujica | bluetooth is an area that needs a lot of love... | 01:37 |
| BUGabundo | yep | 01:37 |
| cowbellemoo | Would bug 358947 be a dupe of 336158? Or does the rt version of the kernel make it a separate issue? | 03:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 358947 in linux-rt "Toshiba Satellite L300 failure to suspend (linux-image-2.6.28-3-rt)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/358947 | 03:05 |
| BUGabundo | bug 336158 | 03:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 336158 in linux "[TOSHIBA Satellite L300] suspend/resume failure" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/336158 | 03:06 |
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| charles_m | Hello... | 06:29 |
| Hew | charles_m: Hi | 06:32 |
| Hew | charles_m: you can file bugs at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug | 06:36 |
| charles_m | ok, thanks! | 06:36 |
| Hew | charles_m: Any other questions, feel free to ask :-) | 06:36 |
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| paddy2706 | hy everyone, i just upgraded my jaunty machine and i get a udev error, for udev 141-1: http://paste.ubuntu.com/148791/ | 10:18 |
| imachine | no probs here | 10:19 |
| imachine | try reinstalling udev? | 10:19 |
| imachine | dunno :) | 10:20 |
| paddy2706 | i tried reinstalling udev 140-2 and 141-1 but same result | 10:27 |
| paddy2706 | from what i found online, my computer wont boot any more, because udev wouldnt populate the devices | 10:29 |
| savvas | paddy2706: try dpkg-reconfigure udev | 10:38 |
| paddy2706 | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: udev is broken or not completely installed | 10:39 |
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| savvas | er.. | 10:39 |
| savvas | wanna try something *really* risky? :) | 10:39 |
| paddy2706 | maybe ? ;) | 10:40 |
| savvas | you have the udev packages handy? | 10:40 |
| paddy2706 | i have udev 140-2 and 141-1 | 10:40 |
| savvas | paddy2706: ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_141-1_*.deb | 10:41 |
| savvas | what does that show? | 10:41 |
| paddy2706 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 337690 2009-04-09 03:05 /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_141-1_amd64.deb | 10:41 |
| savvas | ok great | 10:42 |
| savvas | you're in recovery/root mode now? | 10:42 |
| paddy2706 | no im in normal user mode i havent rebooted yet | 10:42 |
| savvas | ok | 10:42 |
| savvas | I have never tried this, but here goes: sudo dpkg -P --force-all udev; sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_141-1_amd64.deb | 10:43 |
| savvas | it's a one liner | 10:43 |
| paddy2706 | ok now i have a different message | 10:44 |
| paddy2706 | Behalte »local diversion of /sbin/udevadm to /sbin/udevadm.upgrade« bei | 10:44 |
| paddy2706 | Richte udev ein (141-1) ... | 10:44 |
| paddy2706 | invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/udev not found. | 10:44 |
| savvas | do: ls -l /etc/init.d/udev | 10:44 |
| paddy2706 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2008-12-17 10:50 /etc/init.d/udev -> udev_nocache | 10:45 |
| savvas | that's weird | 10:45 |
| savvas | paddy2706: sudo rm -f /etc/init.d/udev; sudo aptitude reinstall udev | 10:45 |
| savvas | paddy2706: still there? :) | 10:47 |
| paddy2706 | yeah - libindicate0 was removed but i still get the same result | 10:47 |
| paddy2706 | invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/udev not found. | 10:47 |
| savvas | wheow you scared me :p | 10:48 |
| savvas | ok try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure udev | 10:48 |
| paddy2706 | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: udev is broken or not completely installed | 10:48 |
| savvas | I can give you my init | 10:49 |
| savvas | hold a sec | 10:49 |
| paddy2706 | wait a sec | 10:49 |
| savvas | ok | 10:49 |
| paddy2706 | i just checked the contents of /etc/init.d | 10:49 |
| paddy2706 | and the the symlink udev points to udev_nocache. that does not exist | 10:49 |
| paddy2706 | but i have a udev.dpkg-new | 10:50 |
| paddy2706 | that should probably be the right file | 10:50 |
| savvas | md5sum /etc/init.d/udev.dpkg-new | 10:50 |
| paddy2706 | 71b8a340eacc3df5f99561c3cf4b2853 udev.dpkg-new | 10:50 |
| savvas | that's the one :) | 10:50 |
| savvas | sudo mv /etc/init.d/udev.dpkg-new /etc/init.d/udev | 10:51 |
| savvas | then sudo aptitude reinstall udev | 10:51 |
| paddy2706 | that was it | 10:52 |
| paddy2706 | thanks a lot :) | 10:52 |
| savvas | cool :) | 10:52 |
| savvas | you can continue "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade" I think | 10:52 |
| paddy2706 | you just saved my day. thanks a lot | 10:53 |
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| savvas | np :) | 10:54 |
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| dtchen | for people still experiencing audio glitches (not mute issues!), i'll have test kernels up shortly on kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen | 17:25 |
| dtchen | (bug 345627) | 17:25 |
| BUGabundo | dtchen: how about video slowdown? | 17:25 |
| BUGabundo | is it audio? | 17:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 345627 in linux "Crackling / scratching noise using Pulseaudio" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/345627 | 17:25 |
| BUGabundo | mplayer complains about it | 17:26 |
| dtchen | what's the complaint from mplayer? | 17:26 |
| dtchen | "your system is too slow"... ? | 17:27 |
| BUGabundo | system is too slow | 17:27 |
| BUGabundo | might be drivers or audio related | 17:27 |
| BUGabundo | this is a fast machine | 17:27 |
| BUGabundo | and was working fine 3 weeks ago | 17:27 |
| dtchen | well, these changes are sync-related, so you should try them | 17:27 |
| BUGabundo | now ALL video players are slow | 17:27 |
| BUGabundo | ok | 17:27 |
| BUGabundo | will do | 17:27 |
| BUGabundo | feed back on bug or irc? | 17:28 |
| dtchen | on the bug, please | 17:31 |
| dtchen | irc is fine in addition, but please at least on the bug | 17:31 |
| BUGabundo | ok | 17:34 |
| BUGabundo | sure dtchen | 17:34 |
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| BUGabundo | dtchen: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/345627/comments/25 | 18:45 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 345627 in linux "Crackling / scratching noise using Pulseaudio" [Undecided,In progress] | 18:45 |
| BUGabundo | mplayer presented me with this: | 18:45 |
| BUGabundo | [pulse] working around probably broken pause functionality, see http://www.pulseaudio.org/ticket/440 | 18:45 |
| dtchen | BUGabundo: bug 440 is already fixed | 19:00 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 440 in kaffeine-mozilla "Opening media (invoking kaffeine-mozilla) causes Firefox to crash" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/440 | 19:00 |
| BUGabundo | some one forgot to tell mplayer devs about it | 19:00 |
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| bcurtiswx | bdmurray: i am handling a bug that seems to be as a wishlist item, but the reporter just told me that the brainstorm people told them it was a bug. bug #359740 . How should I handle this? | 22:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 359740 in hal "Volume control should change slower when loud and faster when silent " [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/359740 | 22:13 |
| bdmurray | bcurtiswx: I think wish list is correct and suggesting it be forwarded upstream would be best. I'm not certain hal is the correct place for it though. | 22:16 |
| bcurtiswx | bdmurray: ok, will do about the forward. What controls the volume now? | 22:17 |
| bcurtiswx | bdmurray: http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/gnome-volume-control-pulse is the only thing i could find that seems remotely related | 22:28 |
| cowbellemoo | I was told that putting the ubuntu version (ex Jaunty) in a bug report summary would be confusing later on in the next cycle. Can anyone help me understand why? | 22:58 |
| savvas | cowbellemoo: I use: apt-cache policy packagename | 23:01 |
| savvas | it shows the release you're using and the package version and where you got it from :) | 23:01 |
| cowbellemoo | Hmm okay, so named releases aren't as exact/helpful? | 23:03 |
| hggdh | cowbellemoo, apt-cache policy gives us more than just the version | 23:04 |
| hggdh | and, sometimes, the versions change but the bug stays | 23:05 |
| cowbellemoo | hggdh, savvas Thanks | 23:06 |
| hggdh | welcome | 23:06 |
| mehall | hey all | 23:26 |
| mehall | I'd like to ask that bug #292155 be made medium importance? | 23:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 292155 in linux "Ubuntu freezes on startup with 2.6.27-7 generic until power button is pressed" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/292155 | 23:27 |
| dtchen | are you sure it's not a dupe? | 23:27 |
| mehall | I'm going to get jaunty daily, test a newer kernel, but there's a few that have the issue | 23:27 |
| mehall | dtchen: the bug has been around since november | 23:28 |
| mehall | no reported dupes | 23:28 |
| dtchen | it's likely a dupe of some other bug, then. need to check upstream and other distros' bug trackers. | 23:28 |
| mehall | okay... | 23:29 |
| dtchen | sorry, i can't do the legwork now, as i'm fixing audio bugs. | 23:29 |
| mehall | audio > me needing acpi, that I can handle | 23:29 |
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