[00:01] apport-gtk could display something like "hey there... unfortunately i was told that program you wanted to used has just crashed. you can file a bug report on launchpad (without proper retrace) by clicking *HERE*. there is a core file containing further info - click *HERE* to save it or *HERE* to retrace it (requires gdb and debug packages installed, but helps the ubuntu developers a lot)" [00:09] nailora: to much info for most of the users [00:09] LP retracers are able to do 50% of the job [00:09] BUGabundo: keep in mind only devel users would see that [00:10] if it fails, then devs request powerfull users to debug it [00:10] yes bdmurray, but still, after beta, *we* get common users, not advanced ones [00:10] and apport still fires a but [00:10] *bit [00:14] I actually think apport could be even easier, well, launchpad could. [00:14] since it asks you about things at times like how would you describe a bug, etc., sometimes requiring a bit more professional a description, than the user can provide. [00:15] overall it;s not bad, but it's confusing; but that seems more of a launchpad issue. [00:15] imachine: that's why we have triage team [00:15] users that go around those bugs, and ask (new) users what they need to do to improve the bug [00:16] k [00:16] yes, that's useful! [00:16] if it works and works good, it's np. [00:16] you would have to think about it a bit. you could hide it in "advanced" section. however personally i would much more likely provide a properly retraced report if it was a one-click thing. ... right now i click "report bug" but if i had the chance i would let apport save the core, download&install the debug-packages and upload the generated backtrace. but until a few minutes ago i did not even know how to get a core to file to give to gdb [00:17] thinking about the core files, i probably threw away quite a lot of good quality material [00:18] i think apport made it a lot easier to provide quite useful bug reports, but if it was just as easy to report even better reports that automatically include a proper retrace why would you want to NOT have this? [00:22] more options confuse people. imho. [00:28] hi all, is there a way to automatically undupe some bugs and let them as they were at a certain date? someone marked a bunch of BT bugs that i don't really see related between them.. [00:32] andresmujica: not that I know of. maybe ask in #launchpad or ML ? [00:32] andresmujica: I could probably help with that. [00:33] andresmujica, not automagically reverting the bugs to the previous state they were, no [00:33] bug #318465 [00:33] Launchpad bug 318465 in bluez "Logitech MX5000 doesn't connect via bluetooth under ubuntu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/318465 [00:33] but the master has spoken... [00:33] But you could script unduping and invaliditing them. [00:33] maybe i wrong or missing something but all the those bugs marked as dup aren't really dupes from that bug... [00:34] i'm unmarking manually.. at least the ones that seemed to be worked on.. [00:34] all were marked the 04/04/09 [00:35] andresmujica: were you going to wait for a response first? [00:36] well , there are some that were worked at a different metabug, so i'm checking now those.. [00:36] and for the rest i'll wait. [00:37] hmppff.. [00:38] maybe i won't... let me finish the check.. [00:42] one more user expereincing exaclty the same crashs as me.... very very strange... and just a week to RC :( [00:52] ogasawara: ping [00:52] are you still around? [00:57] bdmurray: ping [00:57] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/359051/+activity [00:57] Ubuntu bug 359051 in xorg "Desktop freeze 2.6.8.11 #41" [Undecided,New] [00:57] why did you mark it against xorg? [00:59] drm:i915_get_vblank_counter] *ERROR* trying to get vblank count for disabled pipe 0 ? [01:00] ok [01:00] since the users descrived similar system freeze as I did on bug 359231 [01:00] Launchpad bug 359231 in linux "system freeze and kernel panic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/359231 [01:12] the vblank_counter message is similar what's described in bug 341363 [01:12] Launchpad bug 341363 in linux "[i945GME] drm:i915_getparam *ERROR* Unknown parameter 6" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/341363 [01:12] the disabled pipe 0 is part of the message, florian described a method to repeat it. [01:13] i'm having those messages and the desktop freeze too... :( got to ssh and sudo reboot the laptop [01:15] but i don't get the kernel panic as bugabundo [01:15] :( [01:15] I rather not have it either [01:37] bluetooth is an area that needs a lot of love... [01:37] yep [03:05] Would bug 358947 be a dupe of 336158? Or does the rt version of the kernel make it a separate issue? [03:05] Launchpad bug 358947 in linux-rt "Toshiba Satellite L300 failure to suspend (linux-image-2.6.28-3-rt)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/358947 [03:06] bug 336158 [03:06] Launchpad bug 336158 in linux "[TOSHIBA Satellite L300] suspend/resume failure" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/336158 === stpere is now known as stpere|zzz [06:29] Hello... [06:32] charles_m: Hi [06:36] charles_m: you can file bugs at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug [06:36] ok, thanks! [06:36] charles_m: Any other questions, feel free to ask :-) === Hurtz_ is now known as Hurtz [10:18] hy everyone, i just upgraded my jaunty machine and i get a udev error, for udev 141-1: http://paste.ubuntu.com/148791/ [10:19] no probs here [10:19] try reinstalling udev? [10:20] dunno :) [10:27] i tried reinstalling udev 140-2 and 141-1 but same result [10:29] from what i found online, my computer wont boot any more, because udev wouldnt populate the devices [10:38] paddy2706: try dpkg-reconfigure udev [10:39] /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: udev is broken or not completely installed === asac_ is now known as asac [10:39] er.. [10:39] wanna try something *really* risky? :) [10:40] maybe ? ;) [10:40] you have the udev packages handy? [10:40] i have udev 140-2 and 141-1 [10:41] paddy2706: ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_141-1_*.deb [10:41] what does that show? [10:41] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 337690 2009-04-09 03:05 /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_141-1_amd64.deb [10:42] ok great [10:42] you're in recovery/root mode now? [10:42] no im in normal user mode i havent rebooted yet [10:42] ok [10:43] I have never tried this, but here goes: sudo dpkg -P --force-all udev; sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_141-1_amd64.deb [10:43] it's a one liner [10:44] ok now i have a different message [10:44] Behalte »local diversion of /sbin/udevadm to /sbin/udevadm.upgrade« bei [10:44] Richte udev ein (141-1) ... [10:44] invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/udev not found. [10:44] do: ls -l /etc/init.d/udev [10:45] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2008-12-17 10:50 /etc/init.d/udev -> udev_nocache [10:45] that's weird [10:45] paddy2706: sudo rm -f /etc/init.d/udev; sudo aptitude reinstall udev [10:47] paddy2706: still there? :) [10:47] yeah - libindicate0 was removed but i still get the same result [10:47] invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/udev not found. [10:48] wheow you scared me :p [10:48] ok try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure udev [10:48] /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: udev is broken or not completely installed [10:49] I can give you my init [10:49] hold a sec [10:49] wait a sec [10:49] ok [10:49] i just checked the contents of /etc/init.d [10:49] and the the symlink udev points to udev_nocache. that does not exist [10:50] but i have a udev.dpkg-new [10:50] that should probably be the right file [10:50] md5sum /etc/init.d/udev.dpkg-new [10:50] 71b8a340eacc3df5f99561c3cf4b2853 udev.dpkg-new [10:50] that's the one :) [10:51] sudo mv /etc/init.d/udev.dpkg-new /etc/init.d/udev [10:51] then sudo aptitude reinstall udev [10:52] that was it [10:52] thanks a lot :) [10:52] cool :) [10:52] you can continue "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade" I think [10:53] you just saved my day. thanks a lot === paul_ is now known as Elbrus [10:54] np :) === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak === jtisme is now known as jtholmes === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [17:25] for people still experiencing audio glitches (not mute issues!), i'll have test kernels up shortly on kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen [17:25] (bug 345627) [17:25] dtchen: how about video slowdown? [17:25] is it audio? [17:25] Launchpad bug 345627 in linux "Crackling / scratching noise using Pulseaudio" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/345627 [17:26] mplayer complains about it [17:26] what's the complaint from mplayer? [17:27] "your system is too slow"... ? [17:27] system is too slow [17:27] might be drivers or audio related [17:27] this is a fast machine [17:27] and was working fine 3 weeks ago [17:27] well, these changes are sync-related, so you should try them [17:27] now ALL video players are slow [17:27] ok [17:27] will do [17:28] feed back on bug or irc? [17:31] on the bug, please [17:31] irc is fine in addition, but please at least on the bug [17:34] ok [17:34] sure dtchen === stpere|zzz is now known as stpere [18:45] dtchen: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/345627/comments/25 [18:45] Ubuntu bug 345627 in linux "Crackling / scratching noise using Pulseaudio" [Undecided,In progress] [18:45] mplayer presented me with this: [18:45] [pulse] working around probably broken pause functionality, see http://www.pulseaudio.org/ticket/440 [19:00] BUGabundo: bug 440 is already fixed [19:00] Launchpad bug 440 in kaffeine-mozilla "Opening media (invoking kaffeine-mozilla) causes Firefox to crash" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/440 [19:00] some one forgot to tell mplayer devs about it === maco_ is now known as maco [22:13] bdmurray: i am handling a bug that seems to be as a wishlist item, but the reporter just told me that the brainstorm people told them it was a bug. bug #359740 . How should I handle this? [22:13] Launchpad bug 359740 in hal "Volume control should change slower when loud and faster when silent " [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/359740 [22:16] bcurtiswx: I think wish list is correct and suggesting it be forwarded upstream would be best. I'm not certain hal is the correct place for it though. [22:17] bdmurray: ok, will do about the forward. What controls the volume now? [22:28] bdmurray: http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/gnome-volume-control-pulse is the only thing i could find that seems remotely related [22:58] I was told that putting the ubuntu version (ex Jaunty) in a bug report summary would be confusing later on in the next cycle. Can anyone help me understand why? [23:01] cowbellemoo: I use: apt-cache policy packagename [23:01] it shows the release you're using and the package version and where you got it from :) [23:03] Hmm okay, so named releases aren't as exact/helpful? [23:04] cowbellemoo, apt-cache policy gives us more than just the version [23:05] and, sometimes, the versions change but the bug stays [23:06] hggdh, savvas Thanks [23:06] welcome [23:26] hey all [23:27] I'd like to ask that bug #292155 be made medium importance? [23:27] Launchpad bug 292155 in linux "Ubuntu freezes on startup with 2.6.27-7 generic until power button is pressed" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/292155 [23:27] are you sure it's not a dupe? [23:27] I'm going to get jaunty daily, test a newer kernel, but there's a few that have the issue [23:28] dtchen: the bug has been around since november [23:28] no reported dupes [23:28] it's likely a dupe of some other bug, then. need to check upstream and other distros' bug trackers. [23:29] okay... [23:29] sorry, i can't do the legwork now, as i'm fixing audio bugs. [23:29] audio > me needing acpi, that I can handle