[00:14] <Yasumoto_> should a sync from debian wait until karmic opens?
[00:22] <nhandler> Yasumoto_: If it is not necessary to have the new version in Jaunty, then yes
[00:32] <Yasumoto_> nhandler: darn, alright. I've been playing around with the recently released version of guake, and it feels much more solid than the one currently in the repos
[00:44] <leonel> scottK what will be the procedure for  bug 354189  in hardy , Backport from intrepid or bug fix ?
[01:06] <gouki> I've been running into several 404 with mirrors of packages.ubuntu.com. Would a report of these be something of interest?
[01:24] <directhex> gouki, running jaunty?
[01:25] <gouki> directhex, manual downloads of packages.
[01:25] <directhex> gouki, manual downloads for jaunty?
[01:26] <gouki> directhex, yes, some of them.
[01:26] <directhex> gouki, jaunty often updates more frequently than some mirrors, so 404s happen fairly often when the packages.ubuntu.com site expects mirrors to be up-to-date
[01:26] <gouki> directhex, ohh, got it. Thanks.
[02:39] <xxxxx1> hey
[02:45] <ScottK> leonel: I want to get the 0.95.1 fixes into intrepid-security and then backport that and push it to hardy-security with rdepends.
[08:29] <savvas> does anyone have two PPAs in their account to check the format of the second ppa?
[08:38] <savvas> darn I forgot to subscribe motu sponsors for bug 237674
[08:38] <savvas> and I've been wondering why no-one replied :P
[08:38] <savvas> I guess it's too late now
[11:37] <cjwatson> bdmurray: re bug 349114, we shouldn't be adding patch systems to packages that don't already have them. If the package doesn't have a patch system, the source should just be patched directly rather than via a dpatch file or whatever. (I know you just sponsored this and weren't the original contributor ...)
[11:42] <mok0> cjwatson: speaking of which, all packages ought to have a patch system... I believe that will happen with the source package format 3.0
[11:45] <mok0> But when that will be deployed is what I'd like to know...
[11:48] <DktrKranz> mok0, patches against dak have been proposed, but they need to be tested
[11:49] <cjwatson> mok0: I reject that premise
[11:50] <cjwatson> but I agree that format 3.0 is likely to help matters
[11:52] <cjwatson> the problem with patch systems today, as many maintainers see it, is that dpkg-source -x doesn't give you the source that will be built, and you need an extra step. Format 3.0 will at least fix this problem, and will hopefully mean that we no longer need to consider "patch systems" as such - it'll just be integrated into the packaging system
[12:09] <mok0> cjwatson: so no news when 3.0 goes into production mode?
[12:11] <mok0> cjwatson: We can't test it if it's  not deployed
[12:12]  * maxb supposes that would really be a question for the Soyuz folks
[13:04] <cjwatson> mok0: I don't know
[15:18] <ScottK> cjwatson: albatross accepted.  Thank you.
[15:58] <cjwatson> ScottK: ta
[16:39]  * ScottK notes to people that 'final freeze' doesn't me stop work, it means we still want stuff fixed, just want to check.
[16:39] <ScottK> If someone has an upload, feel free to ping me for a motu-release ack.
[16:46] <superm1> ScottK, bug 350962 . i'm just about to subscribe motu-release for it
[16:47] <superm1> er well i think gnome-screensaver is main isn't it, so i guess i need ubuntu-release.  nvm
[16:50] <ScottK> Yep
[16:51] <ScottK> cemc: Looking at gurlchecker now.
[16:52] <ScottK> I dropped your doc changes (since we're close to release and those really ought to go into a separate -doc package) and the standards version change (we don't change standards version from Debian as a matter of Ubuntu policy).
[16:56] <ScottK> cody-somerville: Are you good with the libxfce4util and xubuntu-default-settings uploads?
[16:58] <cemc> ScottK: got it
[16:59] <ScottK> cemc: Uploaded.  Please review how I formated debian/changelog after it's in the archive.
[17:00] <mr_pouit> ScottK: they are ok
[17:00] <ScottK> mr_pouit: Thanks.
[17:02] <ScottK> mr_pouit (and cody-somerville): accepted
[17:05] <mr_pouit> ScottK: thanks.
[17:35] <mr_pouit> superm1: for which apps is this xfce4-utils fix needed?
[17:35] <superm1> mr_pouit, startxfce4
[17:35] <superm1> mr_pouit, it needs to keep /etc/xdg in XDG_CONFIG_DIRS
[17:35] <superm1> as well as whatever is being used by xubuntu, mythbuntu ,etc
[17:35] <mr_pouit> mmh, libxfce4util already adds /etc/xdg by default iirc
[17:37] <superm1> well i was checking export output, and it was definitely not present in xubuntu or mythbuntu
[17:37] <superm1> tried dailies from both today.  after making this change, gnome-screensaver-preferences shows all the right screensavers...
[17:37] <mr_pouit> ah ok, fine then
[17:38] <ScottK> mr_pouit: Please let me know if I should accept it?
[17:38] <mr_pouit> (non xfce apps don't use libxfce4util ^^)
[17:38] <mr_pouit> ScottK: yes, it looks fine
[17:39] <ScottK> mr_pouit: OK.  Thanks.
[17:39] <ScottK> mr_pouit and superm1: Accepted.
[17:39] <superm1> thanks
[17:40] <superm1> i'll have one more for mythbuntu-default-settings, but i need to work out another menu bug for it first
[17:41] <superm1> mr_pouit, i've been seeing this weird situation going on where xfce4-panel isn't spawning occasionally on login.  you guys been coming across that at all?
[17:42] <mr_pouit> ScottK: thanks.
[17:42] <ScottK> No problem.
[17:43] <mr_pouit> superm1: no (sometimes it takes a very long time here, but it always eventually starts)
[17:43] <superm1> mr_pouit, hm very odd then.  i've been seeing it quite frequently from fresh installs in a VM, but wasn't really sure what to blame it upon since I just reboot and it comes up the next time
[17:44] <superm1> i'm wondering if it's only happening before xfconf gets things prepped in ~/.config
[17:45] <superm1> because it's also happening to xfdesktop sometimes too
[17:45] <mr_pouit> (superm1: btw, can I merge ~superm1/xfce4-utils/fix-xdg-fallback to xfce4-utils?)
[17:46] <superm1> mr_pouit, yeah, i didnt get the merge request filed yet (Wish there was a way to do that directly from bzr and/or debcommit)
[17:47] <mr_pouit> done
[17:47] <superm1> thx
[17:57] <superm1> ok ScottK i've got the mythbuntu-default-settings one sorted out too, and then ubuntu-release will have to handle the last task
[17:58] <ScottK> superm1: OK.  Ping me when it's uploaded.
[18:00] <superm1> ScottK, okay just got the waiting for approval email
[18:00]  * ScottK looks
[18:01] <ScottK> superm1: Accepted.
[18:01] <superm1> thanks.  okay so now on to harder bugs :)
[18:49] <YokoZar> Can I sponsor a small change upload that's been in the sponsorship queue for like 3 weeks or is it too late for this now?
[18:50] <DktrKranz> YokoZar, which kind of change?
[18:51] <YokoZar> Moves a suggests to a depends and uses the dependent package's icon
[18:51] <YokoZar> instead of duplicating it
[18:51] <DktrKranz> is dependency really required?
[18:52] <DktrKranz> if not, I'd go for Karmic at this point
[18:53] <YokoZar> DktrKranz: the program is an xmms2 client, the dependency in question is on xmms2, so yeah I'd say it's required
[18:53] <DktrKranz> bug number?
[18:53] <YokoZar> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/esperanza/+bug/342221
[18:53] <YokoZar> I built/tested it so it works fine
[18:55] <YokoZar> Actually
[18:55] <DktrKranz> I don't see the point in moving a package to Depends only for an icon
[18:55] <YokoZar> I guess it might be possible to use remote xmms streams without a local xmmsd running
[18:55] <YokoZar> I'm only now becoming aware that xmms just changed this way
[18:56] <YokoZar> DktrKranz: Right, the question is really if it should be depends or not
[18:56] <DktrKranz> Indeed.
[18:57] <DktrKranz> OTOH, icon is a Ubuntu change, it could be worth pushing it to Debian
[19:02] <ScottK> YokoZar: Sounds like recommends might be better (without looking further than the backscroll)
[19:51] <YokoZar> ScottK: yeah, either way not depends, so it should have a separate icon, so I can feel ok not sponsoring this one for now
[20:20] <jdong> directhex: it would seem like Phoronix forgot to test Bork File Encrypter performance with the Logitech MX1100 cordless mouse review.
[20:21] <jdong> *ducks* (joking)
[20:21] <directhex> jdong, their hearts are in the right place!
[20:21] <jdong> I know, I know, <3 Michael
[20:56] <cellofellow> is the ubuntu-packaged cherokee web server compiled with fcgi and scgi support?
[21:03] <superm1> cellofellow, well how do you check to find out? would the build log show it?
[21:03] <superm1> if so, then take a look here: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cherokee/0.11.6-1
[21:38] <gouki> When a software isn't licensed (and the author doesn't reply to the emails), this software can't be packaged, right?
[21:39] <ScottK> That's correct
[21:39] <gouki> ScottK, ok. Thanks.
[21:51] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[22:13] <CarlFK> if Makefile doesn't have an install: , should I patch Makefile, or is there some way to tell debian/rules to install the binary to /usr/bin?
[22:14] <CarlFK> codewad is http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdf417encode/    wget http://voxel.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/pdf417encode/pdf417_enc.4.4.tar.gz