| sladen | LjL: well I guess this. The question WHO TO CONTACT who /can/ do something about it | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| Seeker` | why can noone access the topic? | 00:01 |
| sladen | Seeker`: I'm not sure exactly, but it would be great is somebody could stop by the channel and ask the right question rather than I standing in the middle listening to both sides going "*shrug*" | 00:03 |
| Seeker` | if it isn | 00:03 |
| sladen | what is "isn" | 00:03 |
| Seeker` | t an #ubuntu-* channel we can;t do anything about it. If you can't get access because the original founder etc. have gone awol, i'd guess #freenode would be your best bet | 00:03 |
| sladen | I guess I could have gone there first, perhaps figured that people here might already have a rapor with the right people. | 00:04 |
| sladen | is there anyone particular on #freenode it would be worth speaking it | 00:05 |
| sladen | s/it$/to/ | 00:05 |
| Seeker` | I'm not sure | 00:07 |
| ubottu | In ubottu, Stupendoussteve said: netbook is Ubuntu Netbook Remix is a purpose-build Ubuntu system designed for netbooks. It contains a new user interface and optimizations for the Atom processor borrowed from the Moblin project. More information, including a download link, is avilable at http://tinyurl.com/n-remix | 00:22 |
| ubottu | In ubottu, Stupendoussteve said: no netbook is Ubuntu Netbook Remix is a purpose-built Ubuntu system designed for netbooks. It contains a new user interface and optimizations for the Atom processor borrowed from the Moblin project. More information, including a download link, is avilable at http://tinyurl.com/n-remix | 00:25 |
| ubottu | In ubottu, Stupendoussteve said: netbook is also netbook-remix | 00:27 |
| ubottu | In #ubuntu-offtopic, aboleth said: !enter is annoying | 00:29 |
| LjL | sladen, people in #freenode will likely tell you that you need to file a GCF about #dx and stuff like that | 00:51 |
| LjL | sladen: Srecko is the founder of #dx, and he's the only one who can access it. i have no idea why they never added more ops to the channel (that was a bad idea - please ensure that won't happen in the new channel) | 00:52 |
| LjL | sladen: maybe you could get someone to set mode -t. but that's only a maybe. | 00:54 |
| Flannel | sladen: If theres nothing else we can help you with today, please don't idle here; thanks. | 01:19 |
| bazhang | timewarp might be zaapiel as well. not sure how far the router assigns dhcp addresses though | 01:33 |
| bazhang | LjL, that is where I searched yes | 01:34 |
| ubottu | In ubottu, rww said: !ftp ~= /Nautilus/Nautilus (Places -> Connect to Server)/ | 02:53 |
| rww | As an addendum to that factoid correction, half of the !phrases in !ftp don' | 02:56 |
| LjL | !ftp | 02:56 |
| ubottu | FTP clients: !Nautilus, !gFTP, FileZilla (for !GNOME); !Konqueror, !Kasablanca, !KFTPGrabber (for !KDE); FireFTP (for !Firefox); ftp, lftp (for !cli) - See also !FTPd | 02:56 |
| rww | t actually exist. (e.g. !nautilus) | 02:56 |
| Seeker` | !idle | sladen | 02:57 |
| ubottu | sladen: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only; we ask you to part when you have no further business here in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries. | 02:57 |
| LjL | rww: yeah, that's back to the days when using a !factoid that didn't exist fell back to !info package | 02:57 |
| rww | LjL: oh, i see. That explains a lot. | 02:57 |
| LjL | rww: i never wanted to remove all those bangs since i originally went to such great lengths to add them everywhere ;( | 02:57 |
| LjL | but, i guess the time has come | 02:57 |
| LjL | !-ftp | 02:57 |
| ubottu | ftp aliases: ftp clients, ftp client - added by bimberi on 2006-07-24 06:50:53 - last edited by tonyyarusso on 2009-03-10 21:42:58 | 02:57 |
| LjL | !no ftp is <reply> FTP clients: Nautilus (Places -> Connect to server), gFTP, FileZilla (for !GNOME); Konqueror, Kasablanca, KFTPGrabber (for !KDE); FireFTP (for Firefox); ftp, lftp (for !cli) - See also !FTPd | 02:58 |
| ubottu | I'll remember that LjL | 02:58 |
| rww | ty | 02:58 |
| Mez | you guys can deop me you know :P | 03:08 |
| genii | Is there a way to fetch a channel topic without going there? | 04:59 |
| bazhang | <mopoyo> ActionParsnip, you're an idiot | 05:03 |
| bazhang | he was insulting people yesterday and asked to stop, also very random and non-connected answers to what he was asking. | 05:03 |
| reid__ | hello | 06:09 |
| reid__ | I need to speak to someone about being unbanned from #ubuntu | 06:09 |
| reid__ | !banned | 06:10 |
| ubottu | If you have been banned it is probably because you have not gone along with what is acceptable behaviour. If you're not sure what acceptable behaviour is please see http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ | 06:10 |
| reid__ | !kicked | 06:10 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about kicked | 06:10 |
| reid__ | !ban | 06:10 |
| ubottu | If you have been banned it is probably because you have not gone along with what is acceptable !behaviour. If you're not sure what acceptable !behaviour is please see !Etiquette and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines - If you think the ban was a mistake, please join #ubuntu-ops | 06:10 |
| reid__ | !Etiquette | 06:10 |
| ubottu | Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See (in a private message with the bot, /msg ubottu <keyword>): !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !Caps, !NickSpam, !PM, !English - And most importantly, use common sense... | 06:10 |
| bazhang | reid__, the person you need to speak to is not here right now. try coming back at a later time. | 06:19 |
| bazhang | reid__, your ban has not been removed yet you are in #ubuntu now. | 06:22 |
| bazhang | reid__, you were told not to ban evade, yet you did so nonetheless. | 06:25 |
| reid__ | ? | 06:26 |
| reid__ | im sorry im a little confused | 06:26 |
| reid__ | I'm in the middle of helping someone with a serious GRUB problem atm | 06:26 |
| bazhang | <reid__> I need to speak to someone about being unbanned from #ubuntu | 06:26 |
| reid__ | yeah I know that was a while ago | 06:26 |
| bazhang | less than 20 minutes ago. | 06:27 |
| reid__ | would you like me to disregard the help that this person needs? | 06:27 |
| reid__ | if that is true, then re-ban me please | 06:27 |
| bazhang | reid__, you ban-evaded. | 06:27 |
| reid__ | i'm not familiar | 06:27 |
| reid__ | if it was a time-ban | 06:27 |
| reid__ | then the time is up? | 06:27 |
| reid__ | if it was a perma-ban requiring me to appeal | 06:28 |
| reid__ | then obviously for some reason I am allowed in | 06:28 |
| bazhang | reid__, you needed to come back here and clear it with ikonia ; yet you decided to evade the ban. It was NOT a time ban (ie auto-expiring) | 06:28 |
| reid__ | it obviously auto-expires | 06:28 |
| bazhang | no | 06:28 |
| reid__ | I didn't INTEND to time-ban | 06:28 |
| reid__ | I tried to see if I was time-banned | 06:28 |
| reid__ | and I was allowed in | 06:28 |
| reid__ | so figured I was.. | 06:28 |
| bazhang | nice try. | 06:29 |
| reid__ | nice try? | 06:29 |
| reid__ | so seriously, the guy that I've been helping has no help now? | 06:29 |
| bazhang | you evaded the ban by changing your IP address. | 06:29 |
| reid__ | I was doing research on his problem | 06:29 |
| reid__ | he was a newbie | 06:29 |
| reid__ | IP addresses renew themselves | 06:30 |
| reid__ | omg what a coincidence | 06:30 |
| reid__ | I didn't realize it was an IP ban | 06:30 |
| bazhang | no matter, he will get help with others, grub is not such a difficult problem. | 06:30 |
| reid__ | no its not, but don't treat me like a damn crimincal | 06:30 |
| reid__ | criminal | 06:30 |
| reid__ | I come here to HELP people | 06:30 |
| reid__ | and I get banned? | 06:30 |
| reid__ | every time I friggin come | 06:30 |
| bazhang | the problem is your issue with following the channel rules. | 06:30 |
| reid__ | did I not acknowledge the rules this time? | 06:31 |
| reid__ | did I say "abbreviations of profanity"? | 06:31 |
| reid__ | I do not think I did | 06:31 |
| bazhang | ban evasion is against freenode policy, if you were curious. | 06:31 |
| reid__ | ikonia told me to come back the next day | 06:31 |
| reid__ | I did not attempt to evade ban | 06:31 |
| reid__ | I assumed that my ban was dropped | 06:31 |
| bazhang | yes, 24 hrs later, not right after a short nap and breakfast. | 06:31 |
| reid__ | I am on the same router | 06:31 |
| reid__ | .. | 06:31 |
| reid__ | I was banned at 4 AM | 06:32 |
| reid__ | yesterday | 06:32 |
| reid__ | it is not 12:3 | 06:32 |
| reid__ | 12:32 | 06:32 |
| reid__ | the next day | 06:32 |
| reid__ | I was not told 24 horus | 06:32 |
| reid__ | I was told the next day | 06:32 |
| bazhang | and you were re-banned under your new IP address just moments ago. | 06:32 |
| reid__ | if it is THIS hard to help people in $ubuntu | 06:32 |
| reid__ | #ubuntu | 06:32 |
| reid__ | then I do not want to | 06:32 |
| bazhang | your choice. | 06:32 |
| reid__ | why..? | 06:33 |
| reid__ | I want to know why you are so interested in banning me? | 06:33 |
| reid__ | IP's renew themselves | 06:33 |
| reid__ | its my ISPs fault | 06:33 |
| reid__ | not mine | 06:33 |
| bazhang | and people reset their routers as well. | 06:33 |
| reid__ | I do not have a router | 06:33 |
| reid__ | I am on campus | 06:33 |
| reid__ | with a hardwire connection | 06:34 |
| reid__ | UT Dallas if you care to know | 06:34 |
| reid__ | omg im a Comp Sci major | 06:34 |
| bazhang | hmm. | 06:34 |
| reid__ | what a helpful way to help people | 06:34 |
| bazhang | then you should understand that ban evasion is a no-no. | 06:34 |
| reid__ | then YOU should understand that IP's renew themselves | 06:34 |
| reid__ | its common sense | 06:34 |
| reid__ | I did nothing | 06:34 |
| reid__ | I'm on the same exact network | 06:35 |
| bazhang | you were asked to return here. | 06:35 |
| reid__ | and I tested if it was a time-ban | 06:35 |
| bazhang | to be unbanned. | 06:35 |
| reid__ | and when I was allowed in, I figured it was | 06:35 |
| bazhang | and that ban was not lifted. | 06:35 |
| bazhang | you figured wrong then. | 06:35 |
| reid__ | WHAT DO I NEED TO DO TO BE UNBANNED | 06:35 |
| reid__ | it is that simple | 06:35 |
| bazhang | what you are saying makes zero sense. | 06:35 |
| reid__ | I dont CARE what you guys think about me... I am HELPING people | 06:36 |
| reid__ | I want to be unbanned to HELP | 06:36 |
| bazhang | why would you come in here to be unbanned when you were in the channel already? | 06:36 |
| reid__ | so what do I need to do to accomplish that | 06:36 |
| reid__ | because I joined this channel first? | 06:36 |
| reid__ | because I thought I was banned? | 06:36 |
| elky | reid__, you are an incredibly rude person. | 06:36 |
| reid__ | not when I'm helping peopl | 06:36 |
| bazhang | you are banned. | 06:36 |
| reid__ | people | 06:36 |
| bazhang | and now you are ban-evading and banned for that as well. | 06:37 |
| reid__ | ok fine FUCK you, FUCK your #ubuntu channel, and FUCK helping people... I have spent endless hours HELPING peoplg | 06:37 |
| reid__ | and that has been in vain | 06:37 |
| reid__ | so FUCK you | 06:37 |
| reid__ | and I'm going to be banned | 06:37 |
| reid__ | I dont CARE | 06:37 |
| reid__ | my ubuntu install works grats | 06:37 |
| bazhang | please depart then. | 06:37 |
| reid__ | great | 06:37 |
| reid__ | after MONTHS of working on it | 06:37 |
| reid__ | and I want to share my knowledge | 06:37 |
| reid__ | with others | 06:37 |
| reid__ | and because I said "wtf" once | 06:37 |
| reid__ | I get banned | 06:37 |
| bazhang | not quite the actual truth. | 06:38 |
| reid__ | I said "wtf" then "gtfo".. to an admin | 06:38 |
| reid__ | my mistake | 06:38 |
| reid__ | its NOT that uncommon | 06:38 |
| reid__ | I promise | 06:38 |
| reid__ | the admin was being an a** to me | 06:38 |
| reid__ | and I don't care | 06:38 |
| bazhang | reid__, there seems nothing else to discuss now. | 06:38 |
| reid__ | if you guys really want to perma-ban me | 06:38 |
| reid__ | then that is fine | 06:39 |
| reid__ | I am perma-banned | 06:39 |
| reid__ | just tell me | 06:39 |
| bazhang | you cannot follow channel rules. | 06:39 |
| reid__ | am I perma-banned or what? | 06:39 |
| reid__ | if I'm perma-banned then I will never come back, ever | 06:39 |
| bazhang | and want to argue endlessly in here about what channel policies should or should not be. | 06:39 |
| elky | reid__, i am reading my logs and i see no substantial contribution by you anyway. | 06:39 |
| reid__ | omg are you reading my /msg logs too?> | 06:40 |
| reid__ | you must be awesome | 06:40 |
| reid__ | how come everyone who uses ubuntu is awesome, and the devs are awesome | 06:40 |
| reid__ | yet you guys are like 10-year old mormons | 06:40 |
| elky | reid__, and how pray tell as an unregistered user are you /msging people? | 06:41 |
| reid__ | ... | 06:41 |
| bazhang | reid__, ad hominem attacks and cursing arent helping you out here. | 06:41 |
| reid__ | because you can? | 06:41 |
| reid__ | NOTHING is helping me | 06:41 |
| reid__ | fuck #ubutnu, there are other channels where I can help people | 06:41 |
| reid__ | ok? | 06:41 |
| reid__ | thats cool with you guys? | 06:41 |
| reid__ | or are you freenode admins | 06:41 |
| reid__ | that ban me from the entire server | 06:42 |
| reid__ | I can join #ati | 06:42 |
| reid__ | or #math | 06:42 |
| reid__ | or #eeepc | 06:42 |
| bazhang | reid__, please depart the channel. | 06:42 |
| reid__ | you kick me from the ops channel. | 06:43 |
| reid__ | sweer | 06:43 |
| reid__ | sweet | 06:43 |
| bazhang | you were being abusive | 06:43 |
| reid__ | I doubt it | 06:43 |
| reid__ | who is your superior? | 06:43 |
| reid__ | can I e-mail someone> | 06:43 |
| reid__ | file a complaint maybe? | 06:43 |
| reid__ | I find this extremely ridiculous | 06:44 |
| jussi01 | reid__: sure, feel free to email the ubuntu IRC council | 06:44 |
| reid__ | every second that I have spent in #ubuntu | 06:44 |
| reid__ | has been helping other people | 06:44 |
| bazhang | reid__, the channels are logged you are aware. | 06:44 |
| reid__ | yes.. I am aware | 06:44 |
| reid__ | as if I was ban-evading | 06:45 |
| reid__ | thats seriously a very strange assumption to make | 06:45 |
| reid__ | when all I have to do to ban-evade, is /join #ubuntu | 06:45 |
| reid__ | normally it says you cannot join, you are banned | 06:45 |
| reid__ | and this time it let me | 06:45 |
| bazhang | reid__, why not depart the channel as clearly you are not lucid enough to discuss now. | 06:45 |
| reid__ | I figured it was a time ban | 06:45 |
| reid__ | lucid | 06:46 |
| reid__ | ? | 06:46 |
| reid__ | or cohesive | 06:46 |
| bazhang | no one said it was a time ban. | 06:46 |
| reid__ | I think you mean cohesive | 06:46 |
| reid__ | so? the coding should be such that if its NOT a time ban | 06:46 |
| elky | reid__, this is no longer about ban evading. this is about you being abusive and rude, and demonstrating a temper that makes you unfit for #ubuntu. | 06:46 |
| bazhang | and you were asked to return here to have the ban removed. | 06:46 |
| reid__ | it should be still banning me after 24 hours? | 06:46 |
| reid__ | and I did | 06:47 |
| reid__ | and nobody responde | 06:47 |
| reid__ | so I attempted to join #ubuntu | 06:47 |
| reid__ | and it worked | 06:48 |
| reid__ | I cannot believe that for OSS admins, you are this ridiculous | 06:48 |
| reid__ | OSS is about a community, helping people | 06:49 |
| reid__ | look at the logs, when is the last time I asked for help | 06:49 |
| reid__ | its not like I join #ubuntu looking for help or trollings | 06:49 |
| reid__ | I go in there to specifically HELP people | 06:49 |
| reid__ | and if you do not appreciate that | 06:49 |
| reid__ | then screw your community | 06:49 |
| bazhang | reid__, this is going nowhere. | 06:49 |
| reid__ | I love linu | 06:49 |
| reid__ | linux | 06:49 |
| reid__ | and I happen to be proficient as well | 06:50 |
| reid__ | I do not need #ubuntu's help | 06:50 |
| reid__ | but I feel like I can give bak | 06:50 |
| bazhang | okay then. | 06:50 |
| reid__ | #ubuntu has helped me | 06:50 |
| elky | reid__, then please, go elsewhere. | 06:50 |
| bazhang | so please depart the channel. | 06:50 |
| reid__ | in the past | 06:50 |
| reid__ | and I want to give back | 06:50 |
| bazhang | we are asking nicely. | 06:50 |
| jussi01 | reid__: could you at least follow this: | 06:50 |
| jussi01 | !enter | 06:50 |
| ubottu | Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! | 06:50 |
| reid__ | please ban me from the channel for closure | 06:51 |
| reid__ | k? | 06:51 |
| bazhang | ? | 06:51 |
| reid__ | ban me from -ops | 06:51 |
| elky | it does not work like that, reid__. | 06:51 |
| reid__ | no? | 06:51 |
| elky | no. | 06:51 |
| reid__ | you don't have the power to ban me from -ops? | 06:51 |
| elky | i do. | 06:51 |
| elky | but that's not how it works. | 06:51 |
| reid__ | kk thanks | 06:52 |
| bazhang | only trolls need that usually. | 06:52 |
| reid__ | and I'm not a troll | 06:52 |
| bazhang | so if you are a good helper, then please depart. | 06:52 |
| elky | reid__, bans are not tradeable. your behaviour here today has proven you unfit for #ubuntu. you will not be allowed into that channel. | 06:52 |
| reid__ | if I'm not allowed ever into #ubuntu | 06:52 |
| reid__ | then why should I be allowed into #ubuntu-ops | 06:53 |
| reid__ | am I an admin? | 06:53 |
| reid__ | I WANT to help people | 06:53 |
| reid__ | especially ATI users | 06:53 |
| elky | and we dont want your help. | 06:53 |
| bazhang | then depart. | 06:53 |
| reid__ | YOU don't want my help | 06:53 |
| reid__ | but many newbies do | 06:53 |
| bazhang | not at this cost, no. | 06:53 |
| reid__ | cost? | 06:54 |
| reid__ | explain the cost please | 06:54 |
| bazhang | the dramatics etc | 06:54 |
| elky | the babysitting you obviously need | 06:54 |
| bazhang | 'ban me for closure' and so on for a simple case of waiting a few extra hours to have a ban removed. | 06:54 |
| reid__ | the dramatics are a direct function of your resposne to me saying 'wtf | 06:54 |
| reid__ | ? | 06:55 |
| reid__ | I was allowed into the channel | 06:55 |
| reid__ | do you still think I evaded ban? | 06:55 |
| bazhang | ok. | 06:55 |
| elky | the cost that would be incurred by having to ensure that someone supervised you constantly to prevent personal attacks and abuse. | 06:55 |
| bazhang | well I am off now. | 06:55 |
| reid__ | this is linux, its not like its HARD to ACTUALLY evade ban | 06:55 |
| tritium | What a waste of bits in the channel log... | 06:55 |
| reid__ | is every #ubuntu admin like this? | 06:56 |
| elky | considering you'd likely only abuse that person, i doubt we coudl get anyone to do it voluntarily | 06:56 |
| bazhang | reid__, sounds like a credible threat since you did it once already. | 06:56 |
| reid__ | reid__: on purpose? | 06:56 |
| reid__ | bazhang: on putpose? | 06:57 |
| reid__ | sry | 06:57 |
| reid__ | ]THIS IS LINUX.. omg don't make me load up backtrack and log into #ubuntu | 06:57 |
| reid__ | omg I would be so detectable | 06:57 |
| reid__ | if i changed my MAC and my IP | 06:57 |
| reid__ | I want to help people | 06:57 |
| elky | !staff | 06:58 |
| ubottu | Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel, tomaw, Gary, Vorian or PriceChild, I could use a bit of your time :) | 06:58 |
| bazhang | sorry all, cannot hang around; really have to go now. | 06:58 |
| reid__ | !coc | 06:58 |
| ubottu | The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ | 06:58 |
| reid__ | !freenode | 06:58 |
| ubottu | freenode is the IRC network that you're on! See http://freenode.net/faq.shtml | 06:58 |
| reid__ | !ban-evasion | 06:59 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about ban-evasion | 06:59 |
| reid__ | !ban-evade | 06:59 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about ban-evade | 06:59 |
| reid__ | oh | 06:59 |
| reid__ | what a surprise | 06:59 |
| reid__ | !ban-evading | 06:59 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about ban-evading | 06:59 |
| jussi01 | !botabuse | reid__ | 06:59 |
| ubottu | reid__: Please investigate with me only with "/msg ubottu Bot" or in #ubuntu-bots. Search for factoids with "/msg ubottu !search factoid". | 06:59 |
| elky | reid__, ban evasion is a breach of Freenode rules. | 07:00 |
| reid__ | did ever admin wish they were a cop? | 07:00 |
| reid__ | ever = everu | 07:00 |
| reid__ | every | 07:00 |
| reid__ | i have a single question, then I will elave | 07:01 |
| reid__ | leave | 07:01 |
| reid__ | who will answer it | 07:01 |
| stew | reid__: please see my PM | 07:01 |
| stew | so i've had a conversaion privately with reid__ about whats going on | 07:11 |
| stew | he acknowleges that he was banned 22 hours ago | 07:12 |
| stew | he says he was back in the channel not to evade, but because he didn't know the ban was still in effect | 07:13 |
| stew | about why he got banned now | 07:13 |
| stew | his understanding is that this was for foul language | 07:13 |
| stew | and after talking to him, i think he understands that things like "wtf" are not acceptable | 07:13 |
| stew | and would rather not use them if that allows him to continue helping people in #ubuntu | 07:14 |
| stew | if we could, can we make clear how long the current ban shall last, even if that is "indefinately, or until we have another conversation about it" | 07:14 |
| stew | just so there is no future confusion about whether or not his rejoining the channel sometime int he future would be considered evading? | 07:15 |
| jussi01 | elky: you still around? | 07:15 |
| jussi01 | stew: just a moment please | 07:15 |
| stew | reid__: do you think what i've said above is accurate? | 07:15 |
| elky | great. now he can serve out the time for his previous ban, and the 48hr extention for being abusive to ops again today. he is to come back in here and *wait* for someone to discuss with him before entering #ubuntu again | 07:15 |
| elky | so hence, in 50 hours, he will be eligable to come back here and discuss. | 07:16 |
| stew | reid__: does this all make sense to you? | 07:16 |
| reid__ | I would appreciate knowing whether this a time-ban or a ban assuming that I will come back to -ops to discuss | 07:17 |
| reid__ | because this seems to be the problem at the time | 07:18 |
| reid__ | I entered #ubuntu ignorant of the fact that my IP had been renewed | 07:18 |
| elky | we do not set auto-lifting bans. nobody learns their lesson if they do not discuss with us. | 07:18 |
| reid__ | ikonia did tell me that I should come back in 24 hours | 07:18 |
| reid__ | and I came back in 22 | 07:18 |
| reid__ | intending to discuss | 07:18 |
| reid__ | but now I am understanding of the rules | 07:19 |
| reid__ | and my intention is not to be a jerk.. | 07:19 |
| elky | and that would have been fine if you'd been polite. however you were incredibly rude and abusive. | 07:19 |
| elky | and it's your rudeness that has earned you all of your ban time. | 07:20 |
| reid__ | tell me when I should return to -ops | 07:20 |
| reid__ | and I will return after this time | 07:20 |
| elky | 50 hours from now. | 07:20 |
| reid__ | so if today is Friday, at 1:20 | 07:20 |
| reid__ | I should be back by Monday | 07:21 |
| elky | monday at 3:20 | 07:21 |
| reid__ | 3:20 PM? | 07:21 |
| reid__ | or AM | 07:21 |
| elky | i dont know, which did you specify before? | 07:21 |
| elky | wait... let me calculate in UTC | 07:21 |
| reid__ | thank you | 07:21 |
| reid__ | I am Central US, if it helps | 07:22 |
| elky | date -u -d +50hours | 07:22 |
| elky | Mon Apr 13 08:22:34 UTC 2009 | 07:23 |
| elky | timeanddate.com will help you calculate | 07:23 |
| reid__ | so at 8:22 AM, on Monday | 07:23 |
| reid__ | I will be able to appeal | 07:24 |
| elky | that was UTC | 07:24 |
| reid__ | oh, I see | 07:24 |
| elky | you will need to calculate that to your timezone | 07:24 |
| reid__ | well I'm at leat 8 hours behind UTC | 07:24 |
| reid__ | so I assume that at some point on Monday | 07:24 |
| reid__ | I will be able to speak to -ops without being banned | 07:24 |
| reid__ | I should not attempt to join #ubuntu while being banned | 07:25 |
| reid__ | my IP renews every 12 hors | 07:25 |
| reid__ | hours | 07:25 |
| elky | i'm glad you understand all that. have a good easter | 07:26 |
| reid__ | thank you, I will see you sometime Monday | 07:26 |
| reid__ | I am leaving now | 07:27 |
| reid__ | if there are any further questions, please /msg me | 07:27 |
| reid__ | thanks | 07:27 |
| elky | stew, um... are unregged people able to /msg these days? | 07:28 |
| stew | unless the recipient has set +E | 07:31 |
| stew | (aiui) | 07:32 |
| stew | at some point that was the default, it no longer seems to be the default | 07:33 |
| stew | elky: are you ok with the current reid__ situation? | 07:33 |
| elky | stew, you might want to let him know that the nick reid hasnt been used a while and registering it might be a nice idea... | 07:33 |
| stew | let me know if you want me to talk to him more in the future, i seemed to have no problem communicating with him | 07:33 |
| stew | ok | 07:33 |
| elky | sometimes they refuse to listen to channel ops, but when they have a staffer who could block them from the whole network, they suddenly change their attitudes | 07:34 |
| stew | sure | 07:36 |
| stew | sometimes it just takes someone that they can not feel like the have to take a confrontational attitude towards | 07:36 |
| stew | he's registering reid | 07:38 |
| ubottu | ziroday called the ops in #ubuntu (maggotface) | 07:38 |
| stew | 02:39 <reid> I'm just kind of at a party atm, and its already been pretty lame for me to be on irc for so long | 07:40 |
| elky | ah, so he's drunk. this is why ircing while drunk is bad for your health | 07:42 |
| * elky pours a whisky dry | 07:43 | |
| stew | and /me goes for another homebrew | 07:44 |
| stew | cheers | 07:44 |
| elky | thanks | 07:44 |
| Flannel | What an odd cookie | 07:56 |
| Myrtti | I wish I had been active... | 09:20 |
| Myrtti | sladen... *sigh* | 09:21 |
| ikonia | I'd like to like that reid_ new he was still banned and changed his name to reid__ to try to get around the ban - he knew exactly what he was doing | 09:28 |
| elky | ikonia, and when he gets back in and acts like a moron again, he can be removed again. and he can evade again. and nobody will have sympathy for him then | 09:38 |
| ikonia | fair enough | 09:39 |
| elky | not all nick changes are to get around bans either. i doubt j dong is currently trying to get around a ban | 09:42 |
| jdong | not that I'm aware of :) | 09:42 |
| Myrtti | /n | 09:43 |
| Myrtti | sh | 09:43 |
| Myrtti | oh, right | 09:43 |
| jdong | oh I do have two of me signed in. I get it now :) | 09:54 |
| bazhang | hehe | 09:59 |
| bazhang | its the JDONG!!!! | 09:59 |
| jdong | lol the other jdong was just there to rough out a netsplit a week ago | 09:59 |
| bazhang | handbrake ftw | 10:00 |
| jdong | totally forgot about that shell | 10:00 |
| jdong | and yes, handbrake FTW :) | 10:00 |
| jussi01 | I think I should ban jdong... | 10:00 |
| bazhang | sorry to have left earlier in the midst of the reid__ drama, had to work | 10:00 |
| jussi01 | bazhang: alls fine | 10:00 |
| bazhang | did not imagine it would take more than an hour to resolve :( | 10:00 |
| bazhang | jussi01, ok thanks | 10:00 |
| jussi01 | you could hardly get a word in with that guy... | 10:01 |
| * jussi01 waves to ikonia... any word on the netbook? | 10:01 | |
| bazhang | thats why the 'its the isp's fault' etc did not seem to wash (ie time-ban, etc) | 10:02 |
| jussi01 | bazhang: really, it could be or could be not, but its easy enough to ban again if he is a moron | 10:02 |
| bazhang | jussi01, yep | 10:02 |
| jussi01 | so why not give the benefit of the doubt | 10:02 |
| bazhang | indeed | 10:02 |
| imachine | rehi | 10:16 |
| imachine | so what;s going on, am I getting unbanned for good or sulk away | 10:17 |
| imachine | or *do I have to* sulk away | 10:18 |
| imachine | sory, it's still morning over here ;] | 10:18 |
| jussi01 | imachine: who has been dealing with you previously? | 10:24 |
| imachine | ikonia has | 10:24 |
| imachine | but he's not here now aparently | 10:25 |
| imachine | he, she, dunno | 10:25 |
| jussi01 | imachine: I think he is arouund ish, we will wait sometime for him. | 10:25 |
| imachine | k | 10:25 |
| imachine | I'm in no rush | 10:25 |
| elky | imachine, right, so lets discuss yesterday. | 10:45 |
| * Myrtti waits | 11:02 | |
| elky | yes. i have other things to do too | 11:04 |
| elky | imachine, are you there? i'm trying to help you here, but you're not responding | 11:04 |
| Myrtti | imachine: hellooooo | 11:04 |
| elky | imachine, if you dont start responding, i'm going to remove you from here, and you can re-join when you are actually available to discuss | 11:16 |
| bazhang | imachine, dont idle here | 11:22 |
| bazhang | !idle | imachine | 11:22 |
| ubottu | imachine: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only; we ask you to part when you have no further business here in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries. | 11:22 |
| elky_ | only suspecting atm | 11:57 |
| bazhang | he was already removed/banned from #u (was trolling as tabbar yesterday) | 11:58 |
| imachine | beh, | 12:05 |
| imachine | elky_, I'm not always next to the keyboard you know | 12:05 |
| imachine | elky_, so what's there to discuss... | 12:05 |
| imachine | let's get this over with! | 12:05 |
| elky_ | there's plenty to discuss. such as interferring with channel ops. threatening to evade bans | 12:06 |
| elky_ | the first is serious on a channel level. the second is serious on a network level | 12:07 |
| elky_ | !guidelines | 12:07 |
| ubottu | The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines | 12:07 |
| imachine | go on | 12:07 |
| elky_ | imachine, please review the guidelines the bot just linked to | 12:07 |
| imachine | I've read those already yesterday or so | 12:07 |
| imachine | so it's nothing new | 12:07 |
| imachine | if you're going to school me on irc rules in general (freenode) I call pass since I've read those too | 12:08 |
| imachine | get to the point please | 12:08 |
| elky_ | excuse me. you are in no position to rush this or be bossy. | 12:09 |
| imachine | I'm as kind as I can get on such a ridiculous situation. | 12:10 |
| imachine | you've asked me to come by | 12:10 |
| imachine | here I am | 12:10 |
| bazhang | nothing to discuss then. | 12:10 |
| imachine | I have other plans you know, it's holiday season. | 12:10 |
| bazhang | enjoy then. | 12:10 |
| imachine | are you kidding me? | 12:11 |
| bazhang | no. | 12:11 |
| bazhang | you are very uncooperative. | 12:11 |
| imachine | what in the name are you talking about | 12:11 |
| elky_ | no, you've asked to be let back in to our channels. these channels are not a right, they're a priviledge | 12:11 |
| imachine | you've asked me to come by | 12:11 |
| imachine | her eI am | 12:11 |
| imachine | how is that uncooperative?/ | 12:11 |
| bazhang | and you think it is a farce. | 12:11 |
| elky_ | imachine, you're the one who wants unbanning. | 12:12 |
| imachine | elky_, I've asked to get dealt with properly, I still stand by what I said before, etc. | 12:12 |
| imachine | elky_, I'm the one who wants some decent treatment. | 12:12 |
| imachine | If I thought it was fair from the start I wuldn't even bother speaking to you lot. | 12:12 |
| imachine | I'd suck it in and move aside. | 12:12 |
| elky_ | imachine, you are not entitled. you either play by our rules, or play elsewhere. | 12:13 |
| imachine | this sounds like Ubuntu way | 12:13 |
| imachine | help others ;] | 12:13 |
| imachine | elky_, you're hardly helping. | 12:13 |
| imachine | I want to speak to ikonia he was inviting me here. | 12:13 |
| imachine | speaking to a monolith of people who stand by eachother is not fun for me. | 12:14 |
| bazhang | heh | 12:14 |
| elky_ | this isnt intended to be entertainment | 12:14 |
| imachine | and like I said, it isn't. | 12:14 |
| * gnomefreak sits back watching quitely | 12:15 | |
| imachine | I want it sorted out. | 12:15 |
| elky_ | you're going about it in the wrong way entirely | 12:15 |
| imachine | there's no reason to hold a grudge against me. | 12:15 |
| imachine | elky_, the only reason why I'd like to be back at #ubuntu with your permission, is so that I can benefit fro mthe channel. | 12:16 |
| imachine | not from the happy friendship I gain with the ops. | 12:16 |
| elky_ | we're not holding any grudge. we're just wanting acknowledgement that the rules are there to be abided by. | 12:16 |
| imachine | don't expect me to be super kind to you. | 12:16 |
| imachine | as long as I hold my rules and don't offend you, I don't have to like you, and see no reason why I shouldn't be entitled to using the #ubuntu channel. | 12:16 |
| imachine | s/my rules/channel rules | 12:16 |
| elky_ | except that your statement that you stand by what you said yesterday implies that you do not intend to comply with the channel rules | 12:18 |
| imachine | by no means | 12:19 |
| imachine | I stand by, but I am willing to sacrifice expressing my opinion on your channel, therefore breaking any channel rules. | 12:19 |
| imachine | and by your channel, I mean #ubuntu. expressing them here like I did today doesn't break any rules, afaik. | 12:19 |
| elky_ | um... is that supposed to parse as 'i will abide by the rules, even if i do not agree with them' | 12:20 |
| elky_ | there's an unnecessary layer of complexity in your wording there | 12:20 |
| imachine | yepp | 12:20 |
| elky_ | then your ban has been lifted. | 12:21 |
| imachine | cheers to that, enjoy your holidays, | 12:21 |
| imachine | see you about in less tight situations | 12:22 |
| elky_ | hawk him | 12:22 |
| bazhang | yep | 12:22 |
| Gary | elky_: you are showing red (unidentified) | 12:41 |
| elky_ | Gary, that's your client lagging | 12:42 |
| Gary | lies | 12:42 |
| elky_ | unless i got unidentified since i muted thefeds latest nick in -ot | 12:42 |
| elky_ | apparently elky_ was not grouped to me. it is now | 12:43 |
| Gary | ahh, you are using a unregged nick, but are id'd | 12:43 |
| elky_ | i'm supposed to reg it seperate? i thought we could just group them in... | 12:43 |
| Gary | you can, but elky_ is not registered at the mo | 12:44 |
| elky_ | how do i un-identify? | 12:44 |
| Gary | you should just be able to /msg nickserv group | 12:45 |
| elky_ | ta | 12:45 |
| Gary | yay, pretty green :p | 12:45 |
| elky_ | you know, it was much easier before :P | 12:46 |
| Gary | lies, it's easypeasy now | 12:46 |
| elky_ | it was easier when i didnt have to learn how to do it all over again | 12:46 |
| Gary | add a new nick, /nick othernick then /ns group | 12:46 |
| Gary | yeah, thats the biggest fun, relearning | 12:47 |
| === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak | ||
| jpds | elky_: Can I please request op access in +1 and -devel-summit? | 12:49 |
| elky_ | +1 i can do. -summit you'll need mneptok for | 12:51 |
| elky_ | -ChanServ- Flags +votiA were set on *!*@ubuntu/member/jpds in #ubuntu+1. | 12:52 |
| jpds | Oh, I thought it was set by nick, but thanks! :) | 12:52 |
| elky_ | i prefer to do it by hostmask | 12:52 |
| elky_ | since it then avoids the annoyingness of having to nick if you've found an underscore or two | 12:53 |
| elky_ | jpds, if you can get one of the current ops to request you in mneptok's absence, i could pull gc fu | 12:53 |
| Gary | as long as you are identified to the same account as the nick access, then it should work (I think) | 12:53 |
| elky_ | Gary, never used to | 12:54 |
| elky_ | Gary, or at least, not on all servers anyway | 12:54 |
| elky_ | s/servers/networks/ | 12:54 |
| Gary | elky_: have you got a channel where you can give GazzaK access, which freenode/staff don't have access to test? | 12:55 |
| elky_ | uh, not that i'm in at the moment. im redoing my vps. you could easily go to #fakechannelfortesting and try yourself :P | 12:55 |
| Gary | meh, thats work | 12:55 |
| elky_ | no, exactly the same amount of work for you. | 12:56 |
| elky_ | just less for me. | 12:56 |
| Gary | if you add a grouped nick it actually adds the accountname | 13:00 |
| Gary | and then the access applies as long as you are identified to the account | 13:00 |
| elky_ | there. fixed for +1 | 13:02 |
| elky_ | that's good to know | 13:02 |
| elky_ | jpds, if you can get lifeless or keybuk or sabdfl to give you the nod for -summit, i can do that one too | 13:02 |
| elky_ | well, i can make gary go find someone to do it, anyway | 13:03 |
| Gary | make me? | 13:05 |
| Gary | with a whip? | 13:05 |
| Gary | what channel? #ubuntu-devel-summit jpds +votiA | 13:06 |
| elky_ | well, i'd rather not do that without one of the current ops giving it the thumbs up | 13:06 |
| Gary | elky_: you are a GC, so it can be done | 13:06 |
| elky_ | Gary, can, yes. polite, no. | 13:07 |
| Gary | oh, I kinda asked, I better say hold it | 13:07 |
| elky_ | off to have a bath. back in 40 mins or so | 13:16 |
| elky_ | muuuuuuch better | 13:42 |
| Nafallo | elky_: you're back too soon :-) | 13:43 |
| Nafallo | oh. oz. nvm. | 13:43 |
| elky_ | heh | 13:44 |
| jussi01 | elky_: I got a good ticking off for adding hostnames to access lists like that... | 13:53 |
| elky_ | jussi01, from who? its how i've always done it | 13:54 |
| jussi01 | from pri-cey, a long time ago... | 13:55 |
| elky_ | well nobody ever educated me on this. ever. | 13:55 |
| jussi01 | hehe | 13:56 |
| jussi01 | Gary is right though, if you are identified to the nick added itll work... | 13:56 |
| elky_ | first i ever knew of that working was an hour ago ;) | 13:57 |
| jussi01 | :) | 13:57 |
| elky_ | never worked on other networks i'm on, i just went with what i knew | 13:57 |
| jussi01 | Fair enough | 13:58 |
| jpds | elky_: OK, I'll look for one of the folks later. | 14:03 |
| Gary | don't forget I can make it so, but as elky_ said, thats rudeish | 14:03 |
| elky_ | Gary, if i'm not here and he gets the thumbs-up, you may enact it | 14:04 |
| === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak | ||
| === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak | ||
| ubottu | BluesKaj called the ops in #kubuntu () | 16:38 |
| jussi01 | ikonia: ping | 16:49 |
| mneptok | wha'ppen in -devel-summit? | 17:28 |
| jussi01 | mneptok: jpds wanted access... | 17:28 |
| mneptok | yeah, but why? i'm just morbidly curious. | 17:31 |
| jussi01 | mneptok: something to do with him being at UDS... I dunno | 17:32 |
| jpds | mneptok: Well, primarily, because there are no ops who have access in there, and I want to change to the topic :P | 17:40 |
| LjL | he's morbidly curious, right | 17:44 |
| LjL | bethere zone5, what does that remind me of | 21:40 |
| Nafallo | LjL: London | 21:40 |
| LjL | sounds reasonable. | 21:41 |
| === topyli_ is now known as topyli | ||
| === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang | ||
| === topyli_ is now known as topyli | ||
| Shizuo | Howdy | 23:44 |
| Lenin_Cat | why was I banned from offtopic | 23:48 |
| Shizuo | Because you can't control yourself | 23:48 |
| Shizuo | Stop talking about lolcats and such | 23:48 |
| Lenin_Cat | umz, ok, but I never talked about lolcats | 23:48 |
| Shizuo | That's a good first step | 23:49 |
| tsimpson | Shizuo: how can we help you? | 23:49 |
| Shizuo | That's a good question | 23:49 |
| Lenin_Cat | any further awnsers here? | 23:49 |
| Shizuo | I don't think so | 23:50 |
| tsimpson | Shizuo: why are you here? | 23:50 |
| Shizuo | Big Bang? | 23:50 |
| Shizuo | God? | 23:50 |
| Shizuo | Who knows? | 23:50 |
| Lenin_Cat | im just gonig to wait a few minunates | 23:50 |
| tsimpson | Shizuo: if you have no business in here, please leave | 23:51 |
| Shizuo | I can sell you some things if you want to, then | 23:51 |
| tsimpson | ... no | 23:51 |
| Shizuo | Then I guess no business, then | 23:51 |
| Shizuo | Do you want to confess something, man? | 23:52 |
| === Shizuo is now known as shizuo | ||
| === shizuo is now known as Shizuo | ||
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