[00:00] <sladen> LjL: well I guess this.  The question WHO TO CONTACT who /can/ do something about it
[00:01] <Seeker`> why can noone access the topic?
[00:03] <sladen> Seeker`: I'm not sure exactly, but it would be great is somebody could stop by the channel and ask the right question rather than I standing in the middle listening to both sides going "*shrug*"
[00:03] <Seeker`> if it isn
[00:03] <sladen> what is "isn"
[00:03] <Seeker`> t an #ubuntu-* channel we can;t do anything about it. If you can't get access because the original founder etc. have gone awol, i'd guess #freenode would be your best bet
[00:04] <sladen> I guess I could have gone there first, perhaps figured that people here might already have a rapor with the right people.
[00:05] <sladen> is there anyone particular on #freenode it would be worth speaking it
[00:05] <sladen> s/it$/to/
[00:07] <Seeker`> I'm not sure
[00:51] <LjL> sladen, people in #freenode will likely tell you that you need to file a GCF about #dx and stuff like that
[00:52] <LjL> sladen: Srecko is the founder of #dx, and he's the only one who can access it. i have no idea why they never added more ops to the channel (that was a bad idea - please ensure that won't happen in the new channel)
[00:54] <LjL> sladen: maybe you could get someone to set mode -t. but that's only a maybe.
[01:19] <Flannel> sladen: If theres nothing else we can help you with today, please don't idle here; thanks.
[01:33] <bazhang> timewarp might be zaapiel as well. not sure how far the router assigns dhcp addresses though
[01:34] <bazhang> LjL, that is where I searched yes
[02:56] <rww> As an addendum to that factoid correction, half of the !phrases in !ftp don'
[02:56] <LjL> !ftp
[02:56] <rww> t actually exist. (e.g. !nautilus)
[02:57] <Seeker`> !idle | sladen 
[02:57] <LjL> rww: yeah, that's back to the days when using a !factoid that didn't exist fell back to !info package
[02:57] <rww> LjL: oh, i see. That explains a lot.
[02:57] <LjL> rww: i never wanted to remove all those bangs since i originally went to such great lengths to add them everywhere ;(
[02:57] <LjL> but, i guess the time has come
[02:57] <LjL> !-ftp
[02:58] <LjL> !no ftp is <reply> FTP clients: Nautilus (Places -> Connect to server), gFTP, FileZilla (for !GNOME); Konqueror, Kasablanca, KFTPGrabber (for !KDE); FireFTP (for Firefox); ftp, lftp (for !cli) - See also !FTPd
[02:58] <rww> ty
[03:08] <Mez> you guys can deop me you know :P
[04:59] <genii> Is there a way to fetch a channel topic without going there?
 ActionParsnip, you're an idiot
[05:03] <bazhang> he was insulting people yesterday and asked to stop, also very random and non-connected answers to what he was asking.
[06:09] <reid__> hello
[06:09] <reid__> I need to speak to someone about being unbanned from #ubuntu
[06:10] <reid__> !banned
[06:10] <reid__> !kicked
[06:10] <reid__> !ban
[06:10] <reid__> !Etiquette
[06:19] <bazhang> reid__, the person you need to speak to is not here right now. try coming back at a later time.
[06:22] <bazhang> reid__, your ban has not been removed yet you are in #ubuntu now.
[06:25] <bazhang> reid__, you were told not to ban evade, yet you did so nonetheless.
[06:26] <reid__> ?
[06:26] <reid__> im sorry im a little confused
[06:26] <reid__> I'm in the middle of helping someone with a serious GRUB problem atm
 I need to speak to someone about being unbanned from #ubuntu
[06:26] <reid__> yeah I know that was a while ago
[06:27] <bazhang> less than 20 minutes ago.
[06:27] <reid__> would you like me to disregard the help that this person needs?
[06:27] <reid__> if that is true, then re-ban me please
[06:27] <bazhang> reid__, you ban-evaded.
[06:27] <reid__> i'm not familiar
[06:27] <reid__> if it was a time-ban
[06:27] <reid__> then the time is up?
[06:28] <reid__> if it was a perma-ban requiring me to appeal
[06:28] <reid__> then obviously for some reason I am allowed in
[06:28] <bazhang> reid__, you needed to come back here and clear it with ikonia ; yet you decided to evade the ban. It was NOT a time ban (ie auto-expiring)
[06:28] <reid__> it obviously auto-expires
[06:28] <bazhang> no
[06:28] <reid__> I didn't INTEND to time-ban
[06:28] <reid__> I tried to see if I was time-banned
[06:28] <reid__> and I was allowed in
[06:28] <reid__> so figured I was..
[06:29] <bazhang> nice try.
[06:29] <reid__> nice try?
[06:29] <reid__> so seriously, the guy that I've been helping has no help now?
[06:29] <bazhang> you evaded the ban by changing your IP address.
[06:29] <reid__> I was doing research on his problem
[06:29] <reid__> he was a newbie
[06:30] <reid__> IP addresses renew themselves
[06:30] <reid__> omg what a coincidence
[06:30] <reid__> I didn't realize it was an IP ban
[06:30] <bazhang> no matter, he will get help with others, grub is not such a difficult problem.
[06:30] <reid__> no its not, but don't treat me like a damn crimincal
[06:30] <reid__> criminal
[06:30] <reid__> I come here to HELP people
[06:30] <reid__> and I get banned?
[06:30] <reid__> every time I friggin come
[06:30] <bazhang> the problem is your issue with following the channel rules.
[06:31] <reid__> did I not acknowledge the rules this time?
[06:31] <reid__> did I say "abbreviations of profanity"?
[06:31] <reid__> I do not think I did
[06:31] <bazhang> ban evasion is against freenode policy, if you were curious.
[06:31] <reid__> ikonia told me to come back the next day
[06:31] <reid__> I did not attempt to evade ban
[06:31] <reid__> I assumed that my ban was dropped
[06:31] <bazhang> yes, 24 hrs later, not right after a short nap and breakfast.
[06:31] <reid__> I am on the same router
[06:31] <reid__> ..
[06:32] <reid__> I was banned at 4 AM
[06:32] <reid__> yesterday
[06:32] <reid__> it is not 12:3
[06:32] <reid__> 12:32
[06:32] <reid__> the next day
[06:32] <reid__> I was not told 24 horus
[06:32] <reid__> I was told the next day
[06:32] <bazhang> and you were re-banned under your new IP address just moments ago.
[06:32] <reid__> if it is THIS hard to help people in $ubuntu
[06:32] <reid__> #ubuntu
[06:32] <reid__> then I do not want to
[06:32] <bazhang> your choice.
[06:33] <reid__> why..?
[06:33] <reid__> I want to know why you are so interested in banning me?
[06:33] <reid__> IP's renew themselves
[06:33] <reid__> its my ISPs fault
[06:33] <reid__> not mine
[06:33] <bazhang> and people reset their routers as well.
[06:33] <reid__> I do not have a router
[06:33] <reid__> I am on campus
[06:34] <reid__> with a hardwire connection
[06:34] <reid__> UT Dallas if you care to know
[06:34] <reid__> omg im a Comp Sci major
[06:34] <bazhang> hmm.
[06:34] <reid__> what a helpful way to help people
[06:34] <bazhang> then you should understand that ban evasion is a no-no.
[06:34] <reid__> then YOU should understand that IP's renew themselves
[06:34] <reid__> its common sense
[06:34] <reid__> I did nothing
[06:35] <reid__> I'm on the same exact network
[06:35] <bazhang> you were asked to return here.
[06:35] <reid__> and I tested if it was a time-ban
[06:35] <bazhang> to be unbanned.
[06:35] <reid__> and when I was allowed in, I figured it was
[06:35] <bazhang> and that ban was not lifted.
[06:35] <bazhang> you figured wrong then.
[06:35] <reid__> WHAT DO I NEED TO DO TO BE UNBANNED
[06:35] <reid__> it is that simple
[06:35] <bazhang> what you are saying makes zero sense.
[06:36] <reid__> I dont CARE what you guys think about me... I am HELPING people
[06:36] <reid__> I want to be unbanned to HELP
[06:36] <bazhang> why would you come in here to be unbanned when you were in the channel already?
[06:36] <reid__> so what do I need to do to accomplish that
[06:36] <reid__> because I joined this channel first?
[06:36] <reid__> because I thought I was banned?
[06:36] <elky> reid__, you are an incredibly rude person.
[06:36] <reid__> not when I'm helping peopl
[06:36] <bazhang> you are banned.
[06:36] <reid__> people
[06:37] <bazhang> and now you are ban-evading and banned for that as well.
[06:37] <reid__> ok fine FUCK you, FUCK your #ubuntu channel, and FUCK helping people... I have spent endless hours HELPING peoplg
[06:37] <reid__> and that has been in vain
[06:37] <reid__> so FUCK you
[06:37] <reid__> and I'm going to be banned
[06:37] <reid__> I dont CARE
[06:37] <reid__> my ubuntu install works grats
[06:37] <bazhang> please depart then.
[06:37] <reid__> great
[06:37] <reid__> after MONTHS of working on it
[06:37] <reid__> and I want to share my knowledge
[06:37] <reid__> with others
[06:37] <reid__> and because I said "wtf" once
[06:37] <reid__> I get banned
[06:38] <bazhang> not quite the actual truth.
[06:38] <reid__> I said "wtf" then "gtfo".. to an admin
[06:38] <reid__> my mistake
[06:38] <reid__> its NOT that uncommon
[06:38] <reid__> I promise
[06:38] <reid__> the admin was being an a** to me
[06:38] <reid__> and I don't care
[06:38] <bazhang> reid__, there seems nothing else to discuss now.
[06:38] <reid__> if you guys really want to perma-ban me
[06:39] <reid__> then that is fine
[06:39] <reid__> I am perma-banned
[06:39] <reid__> just tell me
[06:39] <bazhang> you cannot follow channel rules.
[06:39] <reid__> am I perma-banned or what?
[06:39] <reid__> if I'm perma-banned then I will never come back, ever
[06:39] <bazhang> and want to argue endlessly in here about what channel policies should or should not be.
[06:39] <elky> reid__, i am reading my logs and i see no substantial contribution by you anyway.
[06:40] <reid__> omg are you reading my /msg logs too?>
[06:40] <reid__> you must be awesome
[06:40] <reid__> how come everyone who uses ubuntu is awesome, and the devs are awesome
[06:40] <reid__> yet you guys are like 10-year old mormons
[06:41] <elky> reid__, and how pray tell as an unregistered user are you /msging people?
[06:41] <reid__> ...
[06:41] <bazhang> reid__, ad hominem attacks and cursing arent helping you out here.
[06:41] <reid__> because you can?
[06:41] <reid__> NOTHING is helping me
[06:41] <reid__> fuck #ubutnu, there are other channels where I can help people
[06:41] <reid__> ok?
[06:41] <reid__> thats cool with you guys?
[06:41] <reid__> or are you freenode admins
[06:42] <reid__> that ban me from the entire server
[06:42] <reid__> I can join #ati
[06:42] <reid__> or #math
[06:42] <reid__> or #eeepc
[06:42] <bazhang> reid__, please depart the channel.
[06:43] <reid__> you kick me from the ops channel.
[06:43] <reid__> sweer
[06:43] <reid__> sweet
[06:43] <bazhang> you were being abusive
[06:43] <reid__> I doubt it
[06:43] <reid__> who is your superior?
[06:43] <reid__> can I e-mail someone>
[06:43] <reid__> file a complaint maybe?
[06:44] <reid__> I find this extremely ridiculous
[06:44] <jussi01> reid__: sure, feel free to email the ubuntu IRC council
[06:44] <reid__> every second that I have spent in #ubuntu
[06:44] <reid__> has been helping other people
[06:44] <bazhang> reid__, the channels are logged you are aware.
[06:44] <reid__> yes.. I am aware
[06:45] <reid__> as if I was ban-evading
[06:45] <reid__> thats seriously a very strange assumption to make
[06:45] <reid__> when all I have to do to ban-evade, is /join #ubuntu
[06:45] <reid__> normally it says you cannot join, you are banned
[06:45] <reid__> and this time it let me
[06:45] <bazhang> reid__, why not depart the channel as clearly you are not lucid enough to discuss now.
[06:45] <reid__> I figured it was a time ban
[06:46] <reid__> lucid
[06:46] <reid__> ?
[06:46] <reid__> or cohesive
[06:46] <bazhang> no one said it was a time ban.
[06:46] <reid__> I think you mean cohesive
[06:46] <reid__> so?  the coding should be such that if its NOT a time ban
[06:46] <elky> reid__, this is no longer about ban evading. this is about you being abusive and rude, and demonstrating a temper that makes you unfit for #ubuntu.
[06:46] <bazhang> and you were asked to return here to have the ban removed.
[06:46] <reid__> it should be still banning me after 24 hours?
[06:47] <reid__> and I did
[06:47] <reid__> and nobody responde
[06:47] <reid__> so I attempted to join #ubuntu
[06:48] <reid__> and it worked
[06:48] <reid__> I cannot believe that for OSS admins, you are this ridiculous
[06:49] <reid__> OSS is about a community, helping people
[06:49] <reid__> look at the logs, when is the last time I asked for help
[06:49] <reid__> its not like I join #ubuntu looking for help or trollings
[06:49] <reid__> I go in there to specifically HELP people
[06:49] <reid__> and if you do not appreciate that
[06:49] <reid__> then screw your community
[06:49] <bazhang> reid__, this is going nowhere.
[06:49] <reid__> I love linu
[06:49] <reid__> linux
[06:50] <reid__> and I happen to be proficient as well
[06:50] <reid__> I do not need #ubuntu's help
[06:50] <reid__> but I feel like I can give bak
[06:50] <bazhang> okay then.
[06:50] <reid__> #ubuntu has helped me
[06:50] <elky> reid__, then please, go elsewhere.
[06:50] <bazhang> so please depart the channel.
[06:50] <reid__> in the past
[06:50] <reid__> and I want to give back
[06:50] <bazhang> we are asking nicely.
[06:50] <jussi01> reid__: could you at least follow this:
[06:50] <jussi01> !enter
[06:51] <reid__> please ban me from the channel for closure
[06:51] <reid__> k?
[06:51] <bazhang> ?
[06:51] <reid__> ban me from -ops
[06:51] <elky> it does not work like that, reid__.
[06:51] <reid__> no?
[06:51] <elky> no.
[06:51] <reid__> you don't have the power to ban me from -ops?
[06:51] <elky> i do.
[06:51] <elky> but that's not how it works.
[06:52] <reid__> kk thanks
[06:52] <bazhang> only trolls need that usually.
[06:52] <reid__> and I'm not a troll
[06:52] <bazhang> so if you are a good helper, then please depart.
[06:52] <elky> reid__, bans are not tradeable. your behaviour here today has proven you unfit for #ubuntu. you will not be allowed into that channel.
[06:52] <reid__> if I'm not allowed ever into #ubuntu
[06:53] <reid__> then why should I be allowed into #ubuntu-ops
[06:53] <reid__> am I an admin?
[06:53] <reid__> I WANT to help people
[06:53] <reid__> especially ATI users
[06:53] <elky> and we dont want your help.
[06:53] <bazhang> then depart.
[06:53] <reid__> YOU don't want my help
[06:53] <reid__> but many newbies do
[06:53] <bazhang> not at this cost, no.
[06:54] <reid__> cost?
[06:54] <reid__> explain the cost please
[06:54] <bazhang> the dramatics etc
[06:54] <elky> the babysitting you obviously need
[06:54] <bazhang> 'ban me for closure' and so on for a simple case of waiting a few extra hours to have a ban removed.
[06:54] <reid__> the dramatics are a direct function of your resposne to me saying 'wtf
[06:55] <reid__> ?
[06:55] <reid__> I was allowed into the channel
[06:55] <reid__> do you still think I evaded ban?
[06:55] <bazhang> ok.
[06:55] <elky> the cost that would be incurred by having to ensure that someone supervised you constantly to prevent personal attacks and abuse.
[06:55] <bazhang> well I am off now.
[06:55] <reid__> this is linux, its not like its HARD to ACTUALLY evade ban
[06:55] <tritium> What a waste of bits in the channel log...
[06:56] <reid__> is every #ubuntu admin like this?
[06:56] <elky> considering you'd likely only abuse that person, i doubt we coudl get anyone to do it voluntarily
[06:56] <bazhang> reid__, sounds like a credible threat since you did it once already.
[06:56] <reid__> reid__: on purpose?
[06:57] <reid__> bazhang: on putpose?
[06:57] <reid__> sry
[06:57] <reid__> ]THIS IS LINUX.. omg don't make me load up backtrack and log into #ubuntu
[06:57] <reid__> omg I would be so detectable
[06:57] <reid__> if i changed my MAC and my IP
[06:57] <reid__> I want to help people
[06:58] <elky> !staff
[06:58] <bazhang> sorry all, cannot hang around; really have to go now.
[06:58] <reid__> !coc
[06:58] <reid__> !freenode
[06:59] <reid__> !ban-evasion
[06:59] <reid__> !ban-evade
[06:59] <reid__> oh
[06:59] <reid__> what a surprise
[06:59] <reid__> !ban-evading
[06:59] <jussi01> !botabuse | reid__
[07:00] <elky> reid__, ban evasion is a breach of Freenode rules.
[07:00] <reid__> did ever admin wish they were a cop?
[07:00] <reid__> ever = everu
[07:00] <reid__> every
[07:01] <reid__> i have a single question, then I will elave
[07:01] <reid__> leave
[07:01] <reid__> who will answer it
[07:01] <stew> reid__: please see my PM
[07:11] <stew> so i've had a conversaion privately with reid__ about whats going on
[07:12] <stew> he acknowleges that he was banned 22 hours ago
[07:13] <stew> he says he was back in the channel not to evade, but because he didn't know the ban was still in effect
[07:13] <stew> about why he got banned now
[07:13] <stew> his understanding is that this was for foul language
[07:13] <stew> and after talking to him, i think he understands that things like "wtf" are not acceptable
[07:14] <stew> and would rather not use them if that allows him to continue helping people in #ubuntu
[07:14] <stew> if we could, can we make clear how long the current ban shall last, even if that is "indefinately, or until we have another conversation about it"
[07:15] <stew> just so there is no future confusion about whether or not his rejoining the channel sometime int he future would be considered evading?
[07:15] <jussi01> elky: you still around?
[07:15] <jussi01> stew: just a moment please
[07:15] <stew> reid__: do you think what i've said above is accurate?
[07:15] <elky> great. now he can serve out the time for his previous ban, and the 48hr extention for being abusive to ops again today. he is to come back in here and *wait* for someone to discuss with him before entering #ubuntu again
[07:16] <elky> so hence, in 50 hours, he will be eligable to come back here and discuss.
[07:16] <stew> reid__: does this all make sense to you?
[07:17] <reid__> I would appreciate knowing whether this a time-ban or a ban assuming that I will come back to -ops to discuss
[07:18] <reid__> because this seems to be the problem at the time
[07:18] <reid__> I entered #ubuntu ignorant of the fact that my IP had been renewed
[07:18] <elky> we do not set auto-lifting bans. nobody learns their lesson if they do not discuss with us.
[07:18] <reid__> ikonia did tell me that I should come back in 24 hours
[07:18] <reid__> and I came back in 22
[07:18] <reid__> intending to discuss
[07:19] <reid__> but now I am understanding of the rules
[07:19] <reid__> and my intention is not to be a jerk..
[07:19] <elky> and that would have been fine if you'd been polite. however you were incredibly rude and abusive.
[07:20] <elky> and it's your rudeness that has earned you all of your ban time.
[07:20] <reid__> tell me when I should return to -ops
[07:20] <reid__> and I will return after this time
[07:20] <elky> 50 hours from now.
[07:20] <reid__> so if today is Friday, at 1:20
[07:21] <reid__> I should be back by Monday
[07:21] <elky> monday at 3:20
[07:21] <reid__> 3:20 PM?
[07:21] <reid__> or AM
[07:21] <elky> i dont know, which did you specify before?
[07:21] <elky> wait... let me calculate in UTC
[07:21] <reid__> thank you
[07:22] <reid__> I am Central US, if it helps
[07:22] <elky>  date -u -d +50hours
[07:23] <elky> Mon Apr 13 08:22:34 UTC 2009
[07:23] <elky> timeanddate.com will help you calculate
[07:23] <reid__> so at 8:22 AM, on Monday
[07:24] <reid__> I will be able to appeal
[07:24] <elky> that was UTC
[07:24] <reid__> oh, I see
[07:24] <elky> you will need to calculate that to your timezone
[07:24] <reid__> well I'm at leat 8 hours behind UTC
[07:24] <reid__> so I assume that at some point on Monday
[07:24] <reid__> I will be able to speak to -ops without being banned
[07:25] <reid__> I should not attempt to join #ubuntu while being banned
[07:25] <reid__> my IP renews every 12 hors
[07:25] <reid__> hours
[07:26] <elky> i'm glad you understand all that. have a good easter
[07:26] <reid__> thank you, I will see you sometime Monday
[07:27] <reid__> I am leaving now
[07:27] <reid__> if there are any further questions, please /msg me
[07:27] <reid__> thanks
[07:28] <elky> stew, um... are unregged people able to /msg these days?
[07:31] <stew> unless the recipient has set +E
[07:32] <stew> (aiui)
[07:33] <stew> at some point that was the default,  it no longer seems to be the default
[07:33] <stew> elky: are you ok with the current reid__ situation?
[07:33] <elky> stew, you might want to let him know that the nick reid hasnt been used a while and registering it might be a nice idea...
[07:33] <stew> let me know if you want me to talk to him more in the future, i seemed to have no problem communicating with him
[07:33] <stew> ok
[07:34] <elky> sometimes they refuse to listen to channel ops, but when they have a staffer who could block them from the whole network, they suddenly change their attitudes
[07:36] <stew> sure
[07:36] <stew> sometimes it just takes someone that they can not feel like the have to take a confrontational attitude towards
[07:38] <stew> he's registering reid
[07:40] <stew> 02:39 <reid> I'm just kind of at a party atm, and its already been pretty lame for me to be  on irc for so long
[07:42] <elky> ah, so he's drunk. this is why ircing while drunk is bad for your health
[07:43]  * elky pours a whisky dry
[07:44] <stew> and /me goes for another homebrew
[07:44] <stew> cheers
[07:44] <elky> thanks
[07:56] <Flannel> What an odd cookie
[09:20] <Myrtti> I wish I had been active...
[09:21] <Myrtti> sladen... *sigh*
[09:28] <ikonia> I'd like to like that reid_ new he was still banned and changed his name to reid__ to try to get around the ban - he knew exactly what he was doing
[09:38] <elky> ikonia, and when he gets back in and acts like a moron again, he can be removed again. and he can evade again. and nobody will have sympathy for him then
[09:39] <ikonia> fair enough
[09:42] <elky> not all nick changes are to get around bans either. i doubt j dong is currently trying to get around a ban
[09:42] <jdong> not that I'm aware of :)
[09:43] <Myrtti>   /n
[09:43] <Myrtti> sh
[09:43] <Myrtti> oh, right
[09:54] <jdong> oh I do have two of me signed in. I get it now :)
[09:59] <bazhang> hehe
[09:59] <bazhang> its the JDONG!!!!
[09:59] <jdong> lol the other jdong was just there to rough out a netsplit a week ago
[10:00] <bazhang> handbrake ftw
[10:00] <jdong> totally forgot about that shell
[10:00] <jdong> and yes, handbrake FTW :)
[10:00] <jussi01> I think I should ban jdong...
[10:00] <bazhang> sorry to have left earlier in the midst of the reid__ drama, had to work
[10:00] <jussi01> bazhang: alls fine
[10:00] <bazhang> did not imagine it would take more than an hour to resolve :(
[10:00] <bazhang> jussi01, ok thanks
[10:01] <jussi01> you could hardly get a word in with that guy...
[10:01]  * jussi01 waves to ikonia... any word on the netbook?
[10:02] <bazhang> thats why the 'its the isp's fault' etc did not seem to wash (ie time-ban, etc)
[10:02] <jussi01> bazhang: really, it could be or could be not, but its easy enough to ban again if he is a moron
[10:02] <bazhang> jussi01, yep
[10:02] <jussi01> so why not give the benefit of the doubt
[10:02] <bazhang> indeed
[10:16] <imachine> rehi
[10:17] <imachine> so what;s going on, am I getting unbanned for good or sulk away
[10:18] <imachine> or *do I have to* sulk away
[10:18] <imachine> sory, it's still morning over here ;]
[10:24] <jussi01> imachine: who has been dealing with you previously?
[10:24] <imachine> ikonia has
[10:25] <imachine> but he's not here now aparently
[10:25] <imachine> he, she, dunno
[10:25] <jussi01> imachine: I think he is arouund ish, we will wait sometime for him.
[10:25] <imachine> k
[10:25] <imachine> I'm in no rush
[10:45] <elky> imachine, right, so lets discuss yesterday.
[11:02]  * Myrtti waits
[11:04] <elky> yes. i have other things to do too
[11:04] <elky> imachine, are you there? i'm trying to help you here, but you're not responding
[11:04] <Myrtti> imachine: hellooooo
[11:16] <elky> imachine, if you dont start responding, i'm going to remove you from here, and you can re-join when you are actually available to discuss
[11:22] <bazhang> imachine, dont idle here
[11:22] <bazhang> !idle | imachine 
[11:57] <elky_> only suspecting atm
[11:58] <bazhang> he was already removed/banned from #u  (was trolling as tabbar yesterday)
[12:05] <imachine> beh,
[12:05] <imachine> elky_, I'm not always next to the keyboard you know
[12:05] <imachine> elky_, so what's there to discuss...
[12:05] <imachine> let's get this over with!
[12:06] <elky_> there's plenty to discuss. such as interferring with channel ops. threatening to evade bans
[12:07] <elky_> the first is serious on a channel level. the second is serious on a network level
[12:07] <elky_> !guidelines
[12:07] <imachine> go on
[12:07] <elky_> imachine, please review the guidelines the bot just linked to
[12:07] <imachine> I've read those already yesterday or so
[12:07] <imachine> so it's nothing new
[12:08] <imachine> if you're going to school me on irc rules in general (freenode) I call pass since I've read those too
[12:08] <imachine> get to the point please
[12:09] <elky_> excuse me. you are in no position to rush this or be bossy.
[12:10] <imachine> I'm as kind as I can get on such a ridiculous situation.
[12:10] <imachine> you've asked me to come by
[12:10] <imachine> here I am
[12:10] <bazhang> nothing to discuss then.
[12:10] <imachine> I have other plans you know, it's holiday season.
[12:10] <bazhang> enjoy then.
[12:11] <imachine> are you kidding me?
[12:11] <bazhang> no.
[12:11] <bazhang> you are very uncooperative.
[12:11] <imachine> what in the name are you talking about
[12:11] <elky_> no, you've asked to be let back in to our channels. these channels are not a right, they're a priviledge
[12:11] <imachine> you've asked me to come by
[12:11] <imachine> her eI am
[12:11] <imachine> how is that uncooperative?/
[12:11] <bazhang> and you think it is a farce.
[12:12] <elky_> imachine, you're the one who wants unbanning.
[12:12] <imachine> elky_, I've asked to get dealt with properly, I still stand by what I said before, etc.
[12:12] <imachine> elky_, I'm the one who wants some decent treatment.
[12:12] <imachine> If I thought it was fair from the start I wuldn't even bother speaking to you lot.
[12:12] <imachine> I'd suck it in and move aside.
[12:13] <elky_> imachine, you are not entitled. you either play by our rules, or play elsewhere.
[12:13] <imachine> this sounds like Ubuntu way 
[12:13] <imachine> help others ;]
[12:13] <imachine> elky_, you're hardly helping.
[12:13] <imachine> I want to speak to ikonia he was inviting me here.
[12:14] <imachine> speaking to a monolith of people who stand by eachother is not fun for me.
[12:14] <bazhang> heh
[12:14] <elky_> this isnt intended to be entertainment
[12:14] <imachine> and like I said, it isn't.
[12:15]  * gnomefreak sits back watching quitely
[12:15] <imachine> I want it sorted out.
[12:15] <elky_> you're going about it in the wrong way entirely
[12:15] <imachine> there's no reason to hold a grudge against me.
[12:16] <imachine> elky_, the only reason why I'd like to be back at #ubuntu with your permission, is so that I can benefit fro mthe channel.
[12:16] <imachine> not from the happy friendship I gain with the ops.
[12:16] <elky_> we're not holding any grudge. we're just wanting acknowledgement that the rules are there to be abided by.
[12:16] <imachine> don't expect me to be super kind to you.
[12:16] <imachine> as long as I hold my rules and don't offend you, I don't have to like you, and see no reason why I shouldn't be entitled to using the #ubuntu channel.
[12:16] <imachine> s/my rules/channel rules
[12:18] <elky_> except that your statement that you stand by what you said yesterday implies that you do not intend to comply with the channel rules
[12:19] <imachine> by no means
[12:19] <imachine> I stand by, but I am willing to sacrifice expressing my opinion on your channel, therefore breaking any channel rules.
[12:19] <imachine> and by your channel, I mean #ubuntu. expressing them here like I did today doesn't break any rules, afaik.
[12:20] <elky_> um... is that supposed to parse as 'i will abide by the rules, even if i do not agree with them'
[12:20] <elky_> there's an unnecessary layer of complexity in your wording there
[12:20] <imachine> yepp
[12:21] <elky_> then your ban has been lifted.
[12:21] <imachine> cheers to that, enjoy your holidays,
[12:22] <imachine> see you about in less tight situations
[12:22] <elky_> hawk him
[12:22] <bazhang> yep
[12:41] <Gary> elky_: you are showing red (unidentified)
[12:42] <elky_> Gary, that's your client lagging
[12:42] <Gary> lies
[12:42] <elky_> unless i got unidentified since i muted thefeds latest nick in -ot
[12:43] <elky_> apparently elky_ was not grouped to me. it is now
[12:43] <Gary> ahh, you are using a unregged nick, but are id'd
[12:43] <elky_> i'm supposed to reg it seperate? i thought we could just group them in...
[12:44] <Gary> you can, but elky_ is not registered at the mo
[12:44] <elky_> how do i un-identify?
[12:45] <Gary> you should just be able to /msg nickserv group
[12:45] <elky_> ta
[12:45] <Gary> yay, pretty green :p
[12:46] <elky_> you know, it was much easier before :P
[12:46] <Gary> lies, it's easypeasy now
[12:46] <elky_> it was easier when i didnt have to learn how to do it all over again
[12:46] <Gary> add a new nick, /nick othernick then /ns group
[12:47] <Gary> yeah, thats the biggest fun, relearning
[12:49] <jpds> elky_: Can I please request op access in +1 and -devel-summit?
[12:51] <elky_> +1 i can do. -summit you'll need mneptok for
[12:52] <elky_> -ChanServ- Flags +votiA were set on *!*@ubuntu/member/jpds in #ubuntu+1.
[12:52] <jpds> Oh, I thought it was set by nick, but thanks! :)
[12:52] <elky_> i prefer to do it by hostmask
[12:53] <elky_> since it then avoids the annoyingness of having to nick if you've found an underscore or two
[12:53] <elky_> jpds, if you can get one of the current ops to request you in mneptok's absence, i could pull gc fu
[12:53] <Gary> as long as you are identified to the same account as the nick access, then it should work (I think)
[12:54] <elky_> Gary, never used to
[12:54] <elky_> Gary, or at least, not on all servers anyway
[12:54] <elky_> s/servers/networks/
[12:55] <Gary> elky_: have you got a channel where you can give GazzaK access, which freenode/staff don't have access to test?
[12:55] <elky_> uh, not that i'm in at the moment. im redoing my vps. you could easily go to #fakechannelfortesting and try yourself :P
[12:55] <Gary> meh, thats work
[12:56] <elky_> no, exactly the same amount of work for you.
[12:56] <elky_> just less for me.
[13:00] <Gary> if you add a grouped nick it actually adds the accountname
[13:00] <Gary> and then the access applies as long as you are identified to the account
[13:02] <elky_> there. fixed for +1
[13:02] <elky_> that's good to know
[13:02] <elky_> jpds, if you can get lifeless or keybuk or sabdfl to give you the nod for -summit, i can do that one too
[13:03] <elky_> well, i can make gary go find someone to do it, anyway
[13:05] <Gary> make me?
[13:05] <Gary> with a whip?
[13:06] <Gary> what channel?  #ubuntu-devel-summit jpds +votiA
[13:06] <elky_> well, i'd rather not do that without one of the current ops giving it the thumbs up
[13:06] <Gary> elky_: you are a GC, so it can be done
[13:07] <elky_> Gary, can, yes. polite, no.
[13:07] <Gary> oh, I kinda asked, I better say hold it
[13:16] <elky_> off to have a bath. back in 40 mins or so
[13:42] <elky_> muuuuuuch better
[13:43] <Nafallo> elky_: you're back too soon :-)
[13:43] <Nafallo> oh. oz. nvm.
[13:44] <elky_> heh
[13:53] <jussi01> elky_: I got a good ticking off for adding hostnames to access lists like that... 
[13:54] <elky_> jussi01, from who? its how i've always done it
[13:55] <jussi01> from pri-cey, a long time ago... 
[13:55] <elky_> well nobody ever educated me on this. ever.
[13:56] <jussi01> hehe
[13:56] <jussi01> Gary is right though, if you are identified to the nick added itll work...
[13:57] <elky_> first i ever knew of that working was an hour ago ;)
[13:57] <jussi01> :)
[13:57] <elky_> never worked on other networks i'm on, i just went with what i knew
[13:58] <jussi01> Fair enough
[14:03] <jpds> elky_: OK, I'll look for one of the folks later.
[14:03] <Gary> don't forget I can make it so, but as elky_ said, thats rudeish
[14:04] <elky_> Gary, if i'm not here and he gets the thumbs-up, you may enact it
[16:49] <jussi01> ikonia: ping
[17:28] <mneptok> wha'ppen in -devel-summit?
[17:28] <jussi01> mneptok: jpds wanted access...
[17:31] <mneptok> yeah, but why? i'm just morbidly curious.
[17:32] <jussi01> mneptok: something to do with him being at UDS... I dunno
[17:40] <jpds> mneptok: Well, primarily, because there are no ops who have access in there, and I want to change to the topic :P
[17:44] <LjL> he's morbidly curious, right
[21:40] <LjL> bethere zone5, what does that remind me of
[21:40] <Nafallo> LjL: London
[21:41] <LjL> sounds reasonable.
[23:44] <Shizuo> Howdy
[23:48] <Lenin_Cat> why was I banned from offtopic
[23:48] <Shizuo> Because you can't control yourself
[23:48] <Shizuo> Stop talking about lolcats and such
[23:48] <Lenin_Cat> umz, ok, but I never talked about lolcats
[23:49] <Shizuo> That's a good first step
[23:49] <tsimpson> Shizuo: how can we help you?
[23:49] <Shizuo> That's a good question
[23:49] <Lenin_Cat> any further awnsers here?
[23:50] <Shizuo> I don't think so
[23:50] <tsimpson> Shizuo: why are you here?
[23:50] <Shizuo> Big Bang?
[23:50] <Shizuo> God?
[23:50] <Shizuo> Who knows?
[23:50] <Lenin_Cat> im just gonig to wait a few minunates
[23:51] <tsimpson> Shizuo: if you have no business in here, please leave
[23:51] <Shizuo> I can sell you some things if you want to, then
[23:51] <tsimpson> ... no
[23:51] <Shizuo> Then I guess no business, then
[23:52] <Shizuo> Do you want to confess something, man?