[00:53] <JanC> it took me some time to understand postfix, but once I understood I didn't have problems to get it working  ;)
[00:55] <JanC> also, I didn't use it before I understood  ;)
[01:00] <mattt> to get it working how?
[01:00] <mattt> it works out of the box, no?
[01:37] <JanC> mattt: to get it working as I wanted it to of course
[01:48] <MTecknology> JanC: hi
[01:58] <MTecknology> JanC: I think I'm almost done w/ my email stuff - then I need to get the ssl stuff working right
[02:05] <MTecknology> GAH! - why won't this let me log in w/ postfix.....
[02:20] <VK7HSE> after pulling my head out of the sand... is anyone currently using 9.04b server ???
[02:30] <MTecknology> ya
[02:30] <MTecknology> I'm trying to setup a mail server w/ it
[02:30] <MTecknology> This is frustrating now because it's acting like there's nothing wrong w/ my postfix config and I'm actually putting in the wrong user/pass - but I know it's right
[02:32] <MTecknology> AH!
[02:32] <MTecknology> wrong SQL password in sasl
[02:33] <MTecknology> I knew drinking would make me figure things out
[02:35] <MTecknology> VK7HSE: for the post part it's been great - I upgraded to Ext4 too - so my network is pretty beta right now :P
[02:36] <VK7HSE> MTecknology:  did you upgrade from a previous install or started a fresh ?
[02:37] <MTecknology> 2 upgrade and one fresh
[02:37] <MTecknology> I had zimbra installed on an 8.04 server - figured I may as well go fresh on it
[02:38] <VK7HSE> did the upgrade go smoothly ? and apart from the ext4 has everything remained in a working state?
[02:38] <VK7HSE> as I currently have 8.10 here and I'll be upgrading as soon as 9.04 is a stable release!
[02:39] <MTecknology> the only reason ext4 had issues was because a lot of people missed a very important step in their blogs about it.
[02:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> surely ext4 isnt shipped by default? :|
[02:39] <MTecknology> no
[02:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> phew
[02:40] <MTecknology> that issue though made me realize (after 9hr of fighting w/ fixing) that I have a motherboard dying in one of my servers
[02:40] <MTecknology> aside from bad hardware and that one step - everything went great
[02:40] <VK7HSE> 8-)  I look forward to a (hopefully) stress free upgrade then!
[02:40] <MTecknology> i'm sure you'll experience just that
[02:42] <VK7HSE> I have a dinosaur IBM eserver here that for some reason that I can't explain! the raid wasn't picked up by 8.04 but it was in 8.10 (very strange!) so I just hope that, that bit still works or there will be a little bit of cursing this way!
[02:44] <MTecknology> i'm sure it will be - if an update made it work
[02:45] <VK7HSE> 8.10 was a fresh install on Xmas day! after using Debian for some time...
[02:47] <VK7HSE> further details of my sever are on...  http://www.vk7hse.hobby-site.org/blog/about/
[02:47] <giovani> callsign?
[02:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> VK7HSE, you call that server dinosaur? bah.
[02:49] <giovani> heh, well it's definitely not a "green server" :)
[02:49] <VK7HSE> yes callsign is vk7hse !!! from Tasmania, Australia...
[02:49] <VK7HSE> well the best part was I got it for FREE !!!  \o/
[02:49] <MTecknology> first server i ever used ran as a web server - about 16mn ram w/ all 4 simms used up
[02:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> VK7HSE, speaking of which, do you get on 10/40/80m HF much?
[02:50] <MTecknology> about 10yr ago
[02:50] <giovani> VK7HSE: yeah, but power isn't free :)
[02:50] <JanC> lol, I know several radio amateurs here in Belgium and they often use their callsign as a nick too  ;)
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> JanC, well, its unique :)
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> VK7HSE, my gateway is a Sun Ultra5 :)
[02:51] <JanC> we even have 3 radio amateurs in one of our local linux groups here  ツ
[02:51] <VK7HSE> well for those that know me that's is my alias! as for Kamping_Kaiser... I'm a packet radio nut so I'm on 40m with that but rarely ever on voice!
[02:51] <giovani> packet radio ... nice
[02:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> VK7HSE, ah, fair enough. I cant do packet on my Fcall, so i dont get to play :( (which is a shame, since i want to)
[02:53] <JanC> they have an ubuntu server running as a packet radio "server" (or "router" or whatever you call it?)
[02:53] <VK7HSE> well... originally I was going to run all the packet stuff on this server of mine but then I had a better idea! why not learn about web-servers & email etc... and that's where my journey started!
[02:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> aiui you cant use a digi for routing in au, only for node hopping.
[02:55] <VK7HSE> if you have the ax25 stuff configured for tcp/udp you can do what ever you like with it! the only bad part is the slow speed on the packet side!
[02:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> VK7HSE, i thought the licence conditions disallowed using nodes for routing.
[02:56] <VK7HSE> as it just become another Ethernet device!  well if that be the case (license) then I'm in big trouble! as my APRSD I-Gate would then be in violation!
[02:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> I havent read the regs recently, but that was my impression.
[02:57] <VK7HSE> back in the dark ages yes but that was all changed 5+ years ago...
[02:57] <VK7HSE> anyway we're talking servers in this IRC ;-)
[02:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> i've had my licence for a year, so i wasnt reading the regs more then a 18months ago :)
[03:00] <VK7HSE> well in the dark ages you couldn't patch into a public network (aka IRLP) but now that is allowed as long as there is a mechanism to prevent abuse from non-licensed hams to access that system...
[03:02] <VK7HSE> back to server talk!...  the sever I have... (IBM eserver 220) represents my self teaching!...  :)
[03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[03:04] <VK7HSE> Kamping_Kaiser:  my fading memory has you pinned as VK5FOSS ?
[03:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> VK7HSE, yup, thats me.
[03:05] <VK7HSE> 8-)
[03:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[03:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> done terrorising vk7rad during LCA, back in vk5
[03:06] <VK7HSE> well... as I mentioned I'm a rare contact on voice! but I'm active in a few mailing lists...
[03:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> I dont have any HF yet, but hopefully 'soon' I will
[03:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> bad location for it :(
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> VK7HSE, is the ibm your only server?
[03:09] <VK7HSE> well for me unless it's 01101110111000111100 then ya wasting ya time!  and yes at this stage, but I'm considering a second to dedicate to packet as my current desktop is acting as that currently... well do you consider a desktop install using the server kernel a server? :P
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, becaue it has a gui ;)
[03:10] <VK7HSE> that's right! it always make me chuckle when you see the question for adding a GUI to a server!
[03:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> its so wasteful :\
[03:12] <VK7HSE> exactly!
[03:14] <MTecknology> GREAT - Now I can't log into webmail
[03:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> MTecknology, :(
[03:16] <MTecknology> I'm now considering downgrading to 8.04 and installing zimbra
[03:18] <VK7HSE> Oh ow.... ;)
[03:18] <MTecknology> huh?
[03:18] <MTecknology> zimbra works pretty well otb - just need to keep ubuntu on lts releases
[03:18] <VK7HSE> may be the way I typed that didn't reflect how I wanted it to sound!
[03:19] <MTecknology> how did you want it to sound?
[03:19] <MTecknology> better yet - explain the reason for your espression
[03:19] <VK7HSE> well... that's a good question in an environment that sound is irrelevant!
[03:20] <VK7HSE> treat it as... ;-)
[03:20] <MTecknology> I've been fighting this for about 24hr and I've really just had enough fighting with it
[03:21] <VK7HSE> maybe some sleep and return to it at a later time?
[03:21] <MTecknology> I did sleep
[03:21] <MTecknology> I only have one day left to work on this - not even that
[03:22] <MTecknology> and I need to get homework done too
[03:22] <VK7HSE> :(   well... as it's not a package I'm familiar with I'm unable to assist!
[03:22] <MTecknology> I can reinstall everything in probably about 2hr
[03:22] <MTecknology> maybe less - after everything is downloaded
[03:23] <VK7HSE> as for the home work I never did it! and look where I am now!.... :)
[03:23] <MTecknology> where are you now?
[03:24] <VK7HSE> unemployed! and now just filling in time in front of this PC !!! :)
[03:24] <MTecknology> oh
[03:24] <VK7HSE> he he
[03:24] <MTecknology> I need a drink and a blank
[03:24] <VK7HSE> don't we all!
[03:25] <VK7HSE> I'm an ex cancer victim so my reason for not working is actually related to that!...
[03:29] <VK7HSE> just having a look at the Zimbra site...
[03:30] <VK7HSE> MTecknology:  as I have LAMP setup on the desktop here for testing stuff... I'll see if I can get it to play here! (mind you I have never used this before!)
[03:32] <VK7HSE> interesting though... they only have Ubuntu 8.04 LTS as the latest version...
[03:34] <MTecknology> VK7HSE: it's because they only do lts builds
[03:34] <MTecknology> when 9.10 comes out, they'll make a build for it
[03:35] <VK7HSE> Ahh ok! so 9.04 gets missed? or was that a typo?
[03:35] <MTecknology> 9.04 and 8.10
[03:36] <MTecknology> zimbra is a massie package and creating an open source only version for every release of ubuntu plus the others is hard work
[03:36] <MTecknology> not worth their time
[03:36] <MTecknology> besides, a lot of companies are sticking to lts now
[03:37] <JanC> 9.10 won't be LTS AFAIK
[03:37] <MTecknology> no?
[03:37] <JanC> no
[03:37] <JanC> probably 10.04 will be
[03:37] <MTecknology> from a marketting, developement, and support stand point lts seems like an incredibly awesome idea
[03:38] <MTecknology> LOL
[03:38] <JanC> with all the crazy things the ywant to do in karmic?  Idon't think so...  :P
[03:38] <MTecknology> let's hope 10.04 isn't lethargic llama
[03:38] <MTecknology> what do they want to do in 9.10?
[03:39] <VK7HSE> pretty up the desktop...
[03:39] <MTecknology> as always
[03:39] <VK7HSE> amongst a lot of other things!
[03:39] <MTecknology> I think they reached the level of pretty that they need - probably just keeping up w/ mac
[03:39] <MTecknology> :p
[03:39] <MTecknology> JanC: you know any ideas for 9.10 yet?
[03:40] <centaur5> Aren't they also focusing a lot on performance for 9.10 though?
[03:40] <MTecknology> I thought that's what 9.04 was for
[03:40] <centaur5> Well I know 9.04 was all about performance but I don't think they finished a lot of it and boot speeds still aren't at the goal of 25 seconds.
[03:41] <MTecknology> mine is
[03:41] <centaur5> I hope they have more performance plans for 9.10.  :)
[03:41] <MTecknology> http://profarius.com/content/jaunty-boots-fast-15sec
[03:42] <VK7HSE> well the boot time is really a system dependant! (I run Dinosaurs here!)
[03:43] <MTecknology> partially it is
[03:43] <MTecknology> i also have a 5400 drive
[03:43] <centaur5> That's after adjustments though isn't it?  How about default install.  Also I do understand it depends on hardware but I'm also talking about benchmarks that have been showing a decrease in performance for the past 3 releases according to reviews.
[03:43] <MTecknology> probably trim about 2sec off w/ 7200
[03:43] <MTecknology> my system is tweaked to shit
[03:44] <MTecknology> my laptop :)
[03:44] <JanC> Keybuk has a proof of concept system running Xubuntu that boots in 7 seconds to the desktop  ;)
[03:44] <centaur5> Well I noticed a huge improvement in boot speed on my machine with ext4 and that's one reason I wanted my new server on Jaunty but Ebox doesn't have their new packages for it also my raid card doesn't get along with the installer.
[03:45] <JanC> on an atom-based netbook
[03:45] <MTecknology> NICE
[03:45] <MTecknology> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/148723/
[03:45] <JanC> actually, jaunty boots quite fast here too
[03:45] <MTecknology> dpkg --get-selections
[03:46] <MTecknology> jaunty is definitely faster - no questions there
[03:46] <MTecknology> ext4 helps too
[03:46] <JanC> considering that I have 2 database servers, 3 webservers, etc. running
[03:46] <JanC> on ext3
[03:46] <MTecknology> woah - this is going to be my new -offtopic :D
[03:46] <MTecknology> pgsql?
[03:46] <JanC> postgres & mysql
[03:47] <MTecknology> I prefer mysql
[03:47] <MTecknology> just feels nicer - but I've heard pgsql is a lot faster
[03:47] <JanC> depends
[03:48] <MTecknology> I think I'm getting just drunk enough to install a server
[03:48] <JanC> most of the services I run on my desktop are for testing, not real use
[03:48] <MTecknology> I need to find a blank cd though
[03:48] <JanC> or a usb stick?
[03:49] <MTecknology> i've never had any luck w/ that
[03:49] <centaur5> Good point I need to see if my net install is fixed with today's new netboot image.  :)
[03:49] <MTecknology> where did that point come from?
[03:49] <centaur5> installing a new server
[03:51] <MTecknology> I know where some blanks probably are - but I'd have to break into a room and steal them
[03:52] <VK7HSE> um... borrow with intent never to return! :P
[03:52] <MTecknology> breaking into  a room while intoxicated - may pose a challenge
[03:52] <centaur5> No, you're doing a favor by pre-loading their CD-R with Ubuntu.  :)
[03:52] <MTecknology> lol
[03:52] <MTecknology> w/ an old version
[03:53] <centaur5> Why would you do old?
[03:53] <MTecknology> 8.04
[03:53] <centaur5> Oh, I had to do that version as well although I really wanted Jaunty.
[03:53] <MTecknology> I have some blank dvd's in my dorm room - but I'm locked out until monday
[03:53] <genii> 8.04 will be old when 10.04 becomes the current LTS version
[03:54] <MTecknology> good point
[03:55] <centaur5> I like to try to keep all my machines on the same version but now I had to break that cause I'm always running the newest on workstations but now I have 1 server on 8.04.
[03:55] <centaur5> Now I have extra updates downloaded for just 1 box.
[03:59] <MTecknology> found a blank dvd i might be able to write over
[04:00] <MTecknology> s/blank//
[04:00] <MTecknology> nope
[04:01] <MTecknology> ok - can you guys help me get a bootable usb?
[04:03] <centaur5> Install Intrepid use the new USB creator tool.  :)
[04:04] <MTecknology> I have 9.04 installed on here
[04:04] <MTecknology> what usb creator
[04:04] <centaur5> that works
[04:04] <MTecknology> ?
[04:04] <centaur5> Go to System -> Administration -> Create a USB Startup Disk
[04:04] <MTecknology> I found a desktop version of 8.04.1 64bit
[04:04] <centaur5> It's a piece of cake.
[04:04] <MTecknology> I don't have gnome
[04:04] <centaur5> oh
[04:05] <MTecknology> what's the app called?
[04:05] <twb> centaur5: open it up and run xwininfo to find out what it's called
[04:05] <centaur5> usb-creator
[04:05] <twb> (Might be xprop, I get them mixed up.)
[04:06] <VK7HSE> MTecknology: If the file is a .img then look at http://www.vk7hse.hobby-site.org/blog/2009/03/31/imagewriter/
[04:07] <MTecknology> sweet
[04:07] <MTecknology> that is easy
[04:07] <centaur5> I was so glad when they made that tool.
[04:08] <MTecknology> that's not even funny it's so easy
[04:08] <MTecknology> i'm gonna go finish some rice
[04:09] <centaur5> Don't worry, the USB boot will be done before the rice!  :)
[04:12] <MTecknology>  rice is done
[04:12] <MTecknology> it's not booting from usb
[04:13] <MTecknology> I'll do a cli install from that desktop cd
[04:14] <MTecknology> oh wait... fuck
[04:18] <VK7HSE> ImageWriter is for making bootable USB devices so you can either boot into a live or install...
[04:21] <MTecknology> I can't do a cd install, I can't do a usb install...
[04:22] <MTecknology> next option?
[04:24] <MTecknology> i checked everywhere for a -rw
[04:25] <MTecknology> is it possible to upgrade a 32bit install to 64bit?
[04:27] <VK7HSE> I wouldn't think so...
[04:30] <centaur5> MTecknology: net installs are the way to go!
[04:30] <MTecknology> how do you do that?
[04:31] <MTecknology> I FOUND ONE!
[04:32] <MTecknology> hurray for old cd's
[04:32] <centaur5> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot
[04:39] <MTecknology> reinstalling - partitioning is the longest part
[04:40] <centaur5> Well I'm off to get some dinner.
[04:48] <MTecknology> I no longer like ext3
[04:48] <MTecknology> it feels slow now that i'm watching fsck run
[04:49] <JanC> ext3 can be (almost) as fast as ext4 if you want
[04:51] <MTecknology> how do you make the fsck run faster?
[04:53] <genii> Go to sleep while it happens
[04:53] <MTecknology> i almost could
[04:53] <MTecknology> it can take over 45min to run sometimes
[04:53] <genii> Try running it on 4.5 Tb   ;)
[04:54] <MTecknology> 1.5TB - here - but it's over 4 drives w/ 2-4 partitions each
[04:55] <genii> Yeah it can take a while
[04:55] <MTecknology> rebooting to new kernel after updates :)
[04:55] <MTecknology> my point was that there's usually no more than about 3 running on a boot
[04:55] <MTecknology> but it happens more ofter
[04:57] <MTecknology> <install type="mail_server">
[04:57] <MTecknology> <install type="prereq">
[04:59] <MTecknology> </install type="prereq">
[05:00] <MTecknology> time for another drink - bbiab
[05:03] <MTecknology> <fix type="dns">
[05:17] <JanC> ext3 has a mode to wait to write data until after the power-loss too  :P
[05:23] <MTecknology> gr - idk how to fix this dns thing
[05:28] <MTecknology> How do I tell my server that the mx record for itself is itself?
[05:33] <MTecknology> maybe that will bypass the issue
[05:33] <jmarsden> MTecknology: Edit the zonefile for your domain so the MX is "your server" and cause the DNS server hosting that zonefile to reload it... what is the real problem?
[05:39] <MTecknology> jmarsden: publicly my mx record is right, I meant so I can do dig server.com mx from my system and have it resolve the ip
[05:40] <jmarsden> So right now if you do   dig server.com mx   on your server, what is the result?
[05:40] <MTecknology> nothing
[05:40] <MTecknology> -_-
[05:40] <JanC> MTecknology: if that doesn't work, either your MX is wrong or something else is broken  ;)
[05:41] <jmarsden> MTecknology: does   dig yahoo.com mx    work?
[05:41] <MTecknology> JanC: well - /etc/hosts has the ip pointing at itself - so it isn't getting out to the public records
[05:41] <MTecknology> behind nat
[05:41] <jmarsden> dig will not care about /etc/hosts....
[05:41] <MTecknology> anyway - not the issue now - apparenlty things are vastly broken
[05:42] <JanC> MTecknology: dig doesn't look at /etc/hosts
[05:42] <JanC> heh ツ
[05:42] <jmarsden> MTecknology:   What does      dig yahoo.com mx    output?
[05:42] <MTecknology> lotta ips
[05:43] <MTecknology> {a,b,c,d,e,f,g}c.mx.mail.yahoo.com.
[05:43] <MTecknology> {a,b,c,d,e,f,g}.mx.mail.yahoo.com. **
[05:43] <jmarsden> So that works.  OK.  Does    dig yourdomain.com      work (with no mx after it)?
[05:44] <MTecknology> yup
[05:44] <MTecknology> 192.168.1.11
[05:44] <JanC> eh
[05:44] <jmarsden> Huh...?  That's not a public IP...
[05:44] <MTecknology> no it's not
[05:44] <jmarsden> Then don't put it in the public DNS...!?
[05:45] <jmarsden> CAn you tell is what the domain in question is so we can dig it for ourselves??
[05:45] <jmarsden> s/tell is/tell us/
[05:45] <MTecknology> vindico.profarius.com
[05:45] <MTecknology> it's resolve to 24.111.170.20 or something like that
[05:46] <MTecknology> s/170/117/ i think
[05:46] <JanC> 173
[05:48] <jmarsden> Looks to me like there is no MX record on your DNS server for vindico.profarius.com, but there is one for profarius.com which points to vindico... so all should be working fine.
[05:48] <MTecknology> doh....
[05:48] <jmarsden> How are you getting the 192.168.x.x result -- do you run a fake master DNS server
[05:48] <MTecknology> yup
[05:48] <MTecknology> internal dns server
[05:49] <MTecknology> but only A records
[05:49] <jmarsden> Do you really need it?  And if so, does *it* have sane MX records?
[05:49] <MTecknology> yes, I do need it
[05:49] <jmarsden> OK, then put MX records on it :)
[05:49] <MTecknology> can't
[05:49] <MTecknology> 23:49 < MTecknology> but only A records
[05:49] <MTecknology> :P
[05:49] <MTecknology> I know how to fix it I think
[05:49] <jmarsden> You have a fake local DNS server that is not under your own control???
[05:50] <genii> Weird
[05:50] <MTecknology> it's not a fake dns server
[05:50] <MTecknology> it's a dns forwarder
[05:50] <jmarsden> It is giving you incorrect results for the A record... I'd call that fake :)
[05:50] <MTecknology> if I add a record, that address will forward to w/e ip i give it
[05:51] <jmarsden> If you add a record, a working DNS server will return the info in that record when queried.
[05:52] <jmarsden> Is the local server running BIND on Ubuntu?  And do you have admin rights on it?
[05:52] <jmarsden> The local DNS server, that is.
[05:53] <MTecknology> yes, no, yes
[05:53] <jmarsden> So you must either run your own local DNS server and use that, or else just use a public DNS server.
[05:53] <MTecknology> lol....
[05:53] <jmarsden> Or persuade the admin of the local DNS server to fix it.
[05:53] <MTecknology> convo here is getting me nowhere
[05:55] <jmarsden> What prevents you running BIND on the mailserver and pointing /etc/resolv.conf to 127.0.0.1 and then adding a fake master zonefile for profarius.com on that DNS server with the exact records you want to see?
[05:55] <JanC> I hope you're not running mail on NAT'ed server?
[05:56] <JanC> public mail that is
[05:56] <MTecknology> why not?
[05:56] <MTecknology> it has it's own public ip, just sitting behind a firewall and nat
[05:58] <MTecknology> JanC: why is that so bad?
[06:07] <MTecknology> JanC: ?
[06:09] <MTecknology> </fix type="dns" status="methinks">
[06:17] <MTecknology> </install type="mail_server">
[06:17] <MTecknology> Now - how do I make firefox ignore that a certificate has been revoked?
[07:50] <Polk`> hello, I am trying to use RAID 5 with ubuntu server I am useing 8.04
[07:54] <MTecknology> Polk`: congrats?
[07:55] <Polk`> can you help me
[07:55] <MTecknology> i didn't see any question
[07:55] <Polk`> lol..
[07:55] <Polk`> can you hello me install ubuntu on a RAID 5?
[07:57] <Polk`> MTecknology,
[07:59] <MTecknology> maybe
[07:59] <MTecknology> been a while since I've done software raid, but last I remember it was pretty easy
[07:59] <MTecknology> give me a little bit to setup a virtual environment
[07:59] <MTecknology> how many disks?
[07:59] <Polk`> what do u mean by softwear?
[07:59] <Polk`> raid..
[07:59] <Polk`> theese are actuall HD.
[07:59] <Polk`> 3 of them
[08:00] <MTecknology> raid5 w/ 3 disks?
[08:00] <Polk`> yes
[08:00] <MTecknology> you do realize you lose the capacity of two drives when you do raid5, right?
[08:00] <Polk`> yes.. I mean it has 4
[08:00] <MTecknology> err - now, 5 is n-1 - nvm
[08:01] <Polk`> what?
[08:01] <Polk`> haha.
[08:01] <MTecknology> means you lose one drive by doing raid5
[08:01] <Polk`> I have a RAID 5 with 4 34.7gb drives
[08:01] <Polk`> mhmm
[08:01] <Polk`> I understand
[08:01] <MTecknology> raid6 is n-2
[08:01] <Polk`> idk.. but I am using a RAID 5 and I know it looses a drive..
[08:01] <Polk`> but thats how I want it
[08:02] <Polk`> haha
[08:02] <MTecknology> k
[08:02] <MTecknology> are you doing software or hardware raid?
[08:02] <Polk`> idfk.. haha
[08:02] <Polk`> the machine is a fresh install
[08:03] <Polk`> the harddrives are set into a RAID 5
[08:03] <MTecknology> lol...
[08:03] <Polk`> SO I would guess Hardware
[08:03] <Polk`> but I mite be wrong
[08:04] <MTecknology> when you do raid you have two options - hardware or software. If you're doing hardware then the raid is handled by your raid card - right after bios and prior to grub. You install ubuntu ignoring the fact that any raid exists
[08:04] <Polk`> oh I see..
[08:04] <MTecknology> after setting it up from there
[08:04] <Polk`> so its hardware
[08:04] <Polk`> so do I need to resize..
[08:04] <Polk`> nvm
[08:05] <MTecknology> resize what?
[08:05] <Polk`> I just need to do guided use entire disk?
[08:05] <Polk`> or LVM?
[08:05] <Polk`> or encrpyted LVM?
[08:06] <MTecknology> when you look at the partition manager, do you see all your disks listed? - under advanced partitioning
[08:06] <Polk`> no
[08:06] <Polk`> 1
[08:06] <Polk`> MegaRaid
[08:06] <Polk`> 140 gb
[08:06] <MTecknology> then ignore that any raid exists and install however you want
[08:06] <MTecknology> this is where hardware raid is nice
[08:07] <Polk`> oh I see
[08:08] <Polk`> I picked up 2 of these machines..
[08:08] <Polk`> and both have hardware raid
[08:08] <Polk`> controlets
[08:08] <Polk`> controlers
[08:08] <MTecknology> I've never had luck w/ hardware raid - I always needed to do software
[08:08] <Polk`> y?
[08:09] <MTecknology> driver support wasn't there - it might be now for those systems
[08:10] <MTecknology> I'm hoping installing my server cert will work now - doubt it /me checks
[08:10]  * MTecknology cries
[08:11] <Polk`> haha
[08:11] <MTecknology> I've been fighting this crap for days at 20hr/day
[08:11] <Polk`> what?
[08:11] <MTecknology> I'm getting nowhere
[08:11] <Polk`> fighting what?
[08:12] <MTecknology> mail server
[08:12] <Polk`> oh I see
[08:12] <Polk`> just use google
[08:12] <Polk`> hah
[08:12] <Polk`> free
[08:13] <MTecknology> !enter
[08:13] <Polk`> what?
[08:13] <Polk`> haha
[08:13] <MTecknology> if you put all your value in google - then all your value is gone
[08:13] <Polk`> oh I se?
[08:14] <MTecknology> besides, those people that manage google servers have issues too. What would you tell them?
[08:16] <MTecknology> Polk`: ?
[08:16] <Polk`> yes?
[08:16] <Polk`> tell who what?
[08:16] <Polk`> haha
[08:16] <Polk`> lol
[08:16] <MTecknology> !enter > Polk`
[08:17] <Polk`> oh I see! ok... I think I got it
[08:17] <MTecknology> better
[08:17] <Polk`> haha .. yep
[08:25] <Polk`> jeeves is here?
[08:25] <Polk`> lmao
[08:27] <MTecknology> Polk`: you should depart from this channel and join #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:27] <MTecknology> or just join there and speak there instead
[08:27] <Polk`> why is this cant I be in both?
[08:27] <Polk`> oh ok
[08:28] <kraut> moin
[09:09] <Polk`> MTecknology, I got it
[13:37] <Tuxist> hi I have problem with ubuntu 8.10 heimdal and opnafs http://rafb.net/p/xtAPbR59.html
[13:37] <Tuxist> I have created this principal and add to the kextab
[15:15] <ScottK> jdstrand: I added the CVEs from clamav 0.95 to Bug #354190 (too late for debian/changelog unfortunately, we shouldn't fix stuff so fast ...) - I've never grokked your CVE tracker, so FYI so you can add them.
[16:15] <Polk`> is landscape free?
[16:16] <ScottK> Polk`: landscape-client is, but the server component is not.
[16:16] <ScottK> jdstrand: clamav 0.95.1 is uploaded to Jaunty.  Thanks for the help.
[16:16] <Polk`> ok.. so I cannot see that info elsewear?
[16:16] <Polk`> ScottK, ?
[16:17] <ScottK> Polk`: I don' t know a lot about it, but there's a commercial service that Canonical offers to go with it.
[16:17]  * ScottK doesn't use it.
[16:17] <Polk`> ok.. Thnks
[16:18] <Polk`> ScottK, what do u use?
[16:19] <ScottK> For server management, mostly a collection of my own scripts I've accumulated over time.
[16:19] <Polk`> oh I see
[16:23] <giovani> nagios/puppet 4life! :)
[16:27] <beawesomeinstead> giovani: i tried puppet but didnt like it -- it's pretty weird
[16:27] <giovani> why do you think it's weird?
[16:27] <beawesomeinstead> i use mostly capistrano + git for config files
[16:28] <beawesomeinstead> giovani: i don't like the concept of puppet
[16:28] <giovani> ok ...
[16:28] <beawesomeinstead> it looks... overengineered for me
[16:29] <giovani> you're good at vague criticism :)
[16:29] <beawesomeinstead> aint i? :-)
[20:19] <Tuxist> I have problems with openafs and ubuntu 8.10
[20:20] <Tuxist> http://rafb.net/p/Lvfwlc89.html
[20:23] <Tuxist> I found the failure
[20:23] <Tuxist> no iget bad ticket
[20:40] <MTecknology> I GOT THE CERT INSTALLED!!!!
[20:44] <cellofellow> um, not sure this is the correct place to ask, but is the Ubuntu-packaged version of Cherokee compiled with fastcgi and scgi support?
[20:45] <cellofellow> or, how can I find out?
[20:48] <MTecknology> cellofellow: you could "apt-get source cherokee" - something in there might tell you
[20:48] <MTecknology> best answer I have for ya
[20:49] <cellofellow> tried that but I don't quite understand how to read debian/rules files. I saw some mention of both so probably.
[20:50] <MTecknology> sorry I can't be of more help, I have no clue on that subject. #ubuntu-motu might be able to better help you
[20:50] <cellofellow> motu?
[20:51] <MTecknology> master of the universe
[20:51] <MTecknology> they do the packaging in the universe repos
[20:56] <cellofellow> ah
[20:56] <cellofellow> thanks
[23:52] <thenewguy> Hi
[23:52] <thenewguy> Just wondering if anybody is using KVM in a production environment?
[23:53] <thenewguy> Do you think it is ready?