[00:00] <Neon_> look for graphics card drivers
[00:00] <Neon_> GilesM
[00:00] <Neon_> you might run into the same problem i am though
[00:00] <Neon_> which means you'll have to play the waiting game
[00:05] <acr0nym> lol I've seen enough of kubuntu to switch back to gnome ;)
[00:05] <acr0nym> it's nice but I don't have the time to learn a new environment
[00:05] <acr0nym> and it doesn't seem very netbook friendly
[00:06] <ikus060> acr0nym: I agree with you
[00:06] <ikus060> acr0nym: you better stay on gnome for a Netbook
[00:07] <acr0nym> brb
[00:11] <acr0nym> time to remove kubuntu
[00:11] <acr0nym> should I use the remove command or the purge command?
[00:11] <acr0nym> and will it remove all of the extra applications it installed?
[00:12] <Tommy_Bres> kinda new to ubuntu, using it from a flash drive, out of nowhere pidgin crashes on every open... any ideas? (9.04)
[00:13] <acr0nym> hmm what's the command to remove kubuntu-desktop lol
[00:14] <mprice> try opening pidgin in the terminal it's probably segfaulting, Tommy_Bres
[00:14] <acr0nym> not getting any help now since there are only kubuntu fans in here :p
[00:14] <Tommy_Bres> dumb question, how do i open it in terminal :P
[00:14] <Logi> acr0nym: just use kopete, it rocks :-P
[00:14] <mprice> type in "pidgin"
[00:14] <Tommy_Bres> ...that's too easy lol
[00:14] <acr0nym> moi or Tommy_Bres
[00:15] <Tommy_Bres> as soon as i open it via terminal, it closes
[00:15] <Tommy_Bres> hmm i sudo pidgin'd and it gave me the "add account" screen
[00:16] <Logi> whyat language is the word ubuntu taken from again?
[00:16] <acr0nym> african
[00:16] <acr0nym> omg lol how do I uninstall kubuntu with all of its applications
[00:16] <mprice> so what does it say when you it open then closes pidgin
[00:16] <Logi> (I'd google it, but I'm purging and re-instaling the X-server to see if my machine stops crashing, and links just isn't fun to use on today's web)
[00:16] <acr0nym> once you go kubuntu yonever go back?u
[00:16] <Logi> acr0nym: what african?
[00:16] <maco> acr0nym: since when is that a language?
[00:16] <BUGabundo> Logi: south african
[00:16] <maco> that's a *continent*
[00:16] <acr0nym> looooool
[00:16] <acr0nym> sorry about that
[00:16] <BUGabundo> ubuntu.com/about
[00:16] <Logi> BUGabundo: ok
[00:16] <acr0nym> south african?
[00:16] <maco> BUGabundo: S. Africans speak English
[00:17] <BUGabundo> they have many dialects
[00:17] <maco> i *think* Swahili
[00:17] <Logi> see, I was dating a native Swahili speaker and thought she'd recognize it, but no...
[00:17] <maco> ok lady next to me says "swahili"
[00:17] <Logi> maco: or dutch or any number of native languages
[00:17] <mprice> acr0nym: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[00:17] <maco> guy on the other side says its in a bunch of Bantu languages
[00:17] <maco> wow all the people around us know about ubuntu
[00:17] <Tommy_Bres> mprice it worked :)
[00:18] <Tommy_Bres> should it keep working from now on when i open it through the gui?
[00:18] <maco> and the lady next to me is talking about how debian stock kernels dont boot on her hardware
[00:18]  * BUGabundo feels forced to go look for it in the wiki bah
[00:18] <Logi> maco: bunch-of-bantu sounds more likely. That would be S.Africa (iirc) and would excuse my Kenyan friend :)
[00:18] <Tommy_Bres> i'll have to gewgle "segfault" so i know what the heck caused it
[00:18] <acr0nym> should I use kubuntu or kubuntu kde4 version?
[00:18] <maco> um well kde 3 's not in jaunty....
[00:18] <Logi> acr0nym: 09.04 is kde4 unless you go for the reently announced and unsupported kde3 remix
[00:19] <mprice> you have Jaunty installed or Intrpedid, acr0nym?
[00:19] <acr0nym> I installed with sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[00:19] <acr0nym> jaunty
[00:19] <acr0nym> so that would be kde4?
[00:19] <maco> yeah kde4' the only option
[00:19] <acr0nym> :)
[00:19] <mprice> Tommy_Bres, does it open without using sudo?
[00:19] <Tommy_Bres> it opened and closed immediately without sudo
[00:20] <acr0nym> Package adept is not installed, so not removed
[00:20] <acr0nym> heh it won't even work
[00:20] <Tommy_Bres> but sudo gave me the add accounts screen, lost my info, but it works now
[00:20] <Halow> That's because sudo runs it as root, and root never had any pidgin account info.
[00:21] <mprice> but you don't want to run pidgin with superuser rights
[00:21] <Tommy_Bres> yeah halow thats what i figured
[00:21] <Tommy_Bres> sure i do, pidgin can superuse me all day
[00:21] <BUGabundo> ok maco Logi /home/bugabundo/MisterDocExpressDemo2009.exe
[00:21] <BUGabundo> bah
[00:21] <BUGabundo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28philosophy%29
[00:21] <BUGabundo> correct link
[00:21] <maco> haha
[00:21]  * BUGabundo needs to read before enter
[00:22] <Tommy_Bres> someone in another channel is telling me to change the accounts.xml file to disable the XMPP account from connecting on startup
[00:22] <Tommy_Bres> he said that's what was giving him hell
[00:22] <mprice> it could be a possibililty
[00:22] <Logi> Tommy_Bres: of course, that would make it quite a bit less useful...
[00:22] <BUGabundo> "In the Shona language, the majority spoken language in Zimbabwe after English, ubuntu is unhu."
[00:23] <Tommy_Bres> so how could i do that?
[00:23] <Tommy_Bres> where's the accounts.xml file
[00:24] <mprice> check under /etc/pidgin
[00:24] <Tommy_Bres> lol he says it's in ~/.purple
[00:24] <Tommy_Bres> i didnt know that directory existed o.o
[00:24] <Halow> ~/.purple is where it is.
[00:24] <Logi> ok... I now have no x server and my only network is a wireless one using wpa2 and I have no idea how to connect it without using network-manager
[00:24] <mprice> see shows you how much i use pidgin
[00:24] <Logi> the x-server had better install again
[00:25] <BUGabundo> Tommy_Bres: ~/.purple/
[00:25] <Logi> is threre really no cli/curses based network-manager client?
[00:25] <acr0nym> omg lol it's not even possible to uninstall kubuntu
[00:25] <acr0nym> you guys didn't tell me that before installing :P
[00:25] <Halow> apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop
[00:25] <Tommy_Bres> hahah
[00:25] <mprice> did you ask anybody acr0nym before you installed it
[00:25] <BUGabundo> Halow: that won't do it
[00:25] <Halow> But it won't take its many packages with it. =(
[00:25] <Halow> No?
[00:26] <acr0nym> well they implied it ;)
[00:26] <BUGabundo> just run $ sudo apt-get autoremove
[00:26] <BUGabundo> Halow: that just removes the metapackage... not the dependecies
[00:26] <mprice> sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop should remove most of the packages
[00:26] <BUGabundo> acr0nym: just run $ sudo apt-get autoremove
[00:26] <BUGabundo> after removing kubuntu-desktop
[00:27] <acr0nym> I'm using sudo apt-get remove --purge kde'*'
[00:27] <acr0nym> now
[00:27] <Tommy_Bres> i can't just gedit the accounts.xml file?
[00:27] <Halow> Sure you can.
[00:27] <BUGabundo> acr0nym: better not
[00:27] <Tommy_Bres> still a noob but i thought sudo gedit ~/.purple/accounts.xml.save would be the thing to do
[00:27] <Tommy_Bres> it shows me a blank file...
[00:27] <acr0nym> whoops lol why not?
[00:28] <Halow> Tommy_Bres: Take out the .save at the end.
[00:28] <Tommy_Bres> oh ok
[00:28] <Tommy_Bres> it shows that in the directory
[00:28] <mprice> !gksudo | Tommy_Bres
[00:28] <acr0nym> meh it's almost too attractive to just reinstall ubuntu now
[00:28] <acr0nym> still have the install iso on the usb stick
[00:28] <Tommy_Bres> :O ubottu
[00:29] <Tommy_Bres> i've ALWAYS Been told to just sudo it
[00:29] <acr0nym> would take about 15 in
[00:29] <acr0nym> min
[00:29] <mprice> it would be easier to to just reinstall Ubuntu acr0nym
[00:29] <Logi> acr0nym: wait until the release...
[00:29]  * Tommy_Bres feels mislead :(
[00:30] <Tommy_Bres> if i just delete this accounts.xml file will it have me re-adding the accounts and such?
[00:30] <Tommy_Bres> i dont know if theres something else it depends on, but if i can just remove this it'd be easier
[00:30] <Halow> It'll probably prompt you to give all your account's information again.
[00:30] <Tommy_Bres> ok cool
[00:31] <acr0nym> hmm seems everything from kubuntu got removed with that command :)
[00:31] <Tommy_Bres> uhhhhhhh
[00:31] <Tommy_Bres> or it'll just start and crash again
[00:31] <Tommy_Bres> even with accounts.xml deleted
[00:31] <BUGabundo> mprice: don't advice a user to run an editor with admin privigles on a userspace file! it will get lock and with the wrong permitions
[00:32] <Logi> ok... X server purged and re-installed. Let me now try to crash the damned thing
[00:33] <Logi> (again)
[00:34] <Logi> so far so good...
[00:35]  * Logi is still alive
[00:36] <mprice> what do you mean an userspace file?
[00:37] <Halow> Don't need to sudo for anything in ~/, I guess.
[00:37] <Logi> just to mgs interesting I'm launching my java IDE and the bloated crap servers that I write
[00:37] <Logi> s/mgs/make things/
[00:38] <Halow> Tommy_Bres: Perhaps you could try to rename the ~/.purple/ folder?
[00:38] <Logi> ~/.magenta/ is nice...
[00:38] <Logi> quite similar
[00:38] <Halow> ;P
[00:39] <mprice> that will cause problems with pidgin
[00:39] <Halow> Let's see...
[00:39] <BUGabundo> mprice: yep, Halow is correct
[00:39] <crashedsystem> My Jaunty system (ext4, running compiz) is currently frozen. I've SSHd into it, and I can make files and SCP them back and forth. Anyone have an idea what info I can collect that will be useful?
[00:40] <BUGabundo> crashedsystem: bryce emailed to -devel ML
[00:40] <BUGabundo> a wiki link with the proper debug procedure
[00:40] <crashedsystem> ok
[00:40] <Mulder> ~/.xsession-errors  and /var/log/X.org.something
[00:40] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Freeze
[00:40] <crashedsystem> Thinking compiz might be the problem, I killed it. this did not help
[00:41] <Mulder> crashedsystem, you have ati driver?
[00:41] <crashedsystem> intel
[00:41] <Logi> BUGabundo: ah, I'm going to have a look at that, in case my reinstall of the xserver doesn't help
[00:41] <Mulder> ah
[00:41] <Logi> crashedsystem: same as me...
[00:41] <Neon_> anyone irc chat using quassel?
[00:41] <Logi> I just don't have any other machine ot ssh in from when I crash
[00:41] <BUGabundo> I'm running NV and metacity to see if NVidia and Compiz are the cause of my crashes
[00:42] <Logi> Neon_: I did for a couple of days before gfoing back to ssh+screen+irssi on a remote machine
[00:42] <BUGabundo> bug 359231
[00:42] <Logi> Neon_: it seamed quite reasonable
[00:42] <Logi> seemed
[00:42] <Neon_> oh
[00:42] <Neon_> cuz i'm clueless on how to get it to do data transfers
[00:43]  * Logi too tbh
[00:43] <Neon_> i keep getting timed out when i try
[00:44] <crashedsystem> Bugabundo, I got those two files. anything else?
[00:44] <BUGabundo> crashedsystem: don't know! that's all he asks for
[00:45] <crashedsystem> ok
[00:45] <Logissimo> Neon_: that could be a firewall issue?
[00:45] <Logissimo> Neon_: iirc irc file-transfers are ctcp, i.e. client-to-client so you need to be able to make a direct connection to the other machine
[00:45] <crashedsystem> I'm also getting kerneloops messages every time I start, and I am wondering if it is related
[00:46] <Logissimo> not that I really konw, I tend to irc from a nicely connected server somewhere
[00:48] <BUGabundo> crashedsystem: many things cause it
[00:48] <BUGabundo> I unsintaled it bevcause of that. I got one EVERY boot or resume
[00:48] <mprice> I see what your saying, Bugabundo if its in the /home directory it doesn't need superuser privileges.
[00:49] <BUGabundo> someone needs to tell mprice how to use "tab"
[00:56] <Neon_> turns out quassel doesn't support DCC yet
[00:56] <Neon_> another thing i have to wait on
[00:57] <Neon_> if its not done yet, i don't think they should of added it to jaunty
[00:57] <dtchen> then a lot of software would not be in Jaunty
[00:58] <dtchen> namely: linux, xserver-xorg, pulseaudio, compiz, ...
[00:58] <Neon_> yea but they replaced konversation with quassel
[00:58] <Neon_> they should of just kept konversation
[00:58] <dtchen> you can take that up with people in #kubuntu-devel
[00:58] <dtchen> whinging at us isn't going to change a thing ;-)
[00:59] <BUGabundo> humm where is this conversation coming from ?
[01:00] <Neon_> not wineing
[01:00] <Neon_> just saying
[01:01] <eegore> I like wine, a deep red tastes nice with a strong cheese
[01:01] <eegore> ;)
[01:05] <bjsnider> because konversation hasn't been ported to kde4 yet
[01:05] <crashedsystem> anyone know of a way to _force_ a halt over SSH, without doing a hard reset?
[01:06] <BUGabundo> crashedsystem: you can simulate a sysrq B
[01:06] <pwnguin> crashedsystem: shutdown -H?
[01:06] <BUGabundo> just sudo echo b to some /proc file
[01:06] <crashedsystem> the sysrq keys are not working for me
[01:07] <crashedsystem> and I've already lost the SSH connection :(
[01:07] <crashedsystem> time for a bloody hard reset...
[01:07] <dtchen> BUGabundo: echo b|sudo tee
[01:08] <BUGabundo> dtchen: lol
[01:08] <crashedsystem> I just hope I did not loose too much of what I was working on in the gimp
[01:09] <bjsnider> maybe you shouldn't be using an unstable distro then
[01:09] <crashedsystem> lol, true
[01:09] <bjsnider> if this is a production machine
[01:09] <crashedsystem> It is kinda ironic that I was making a business card for Crashsystems LLC when it happened.
[01:09] <bjsnider> it's a company that crashes computer systems?
[01:09] <bjsnider> that would be fun
[01:10] <crashedsystem> no, not quite
[01:10] <BUGabundo> crashedsystem: already found a nice logo?
[01:10] <coz_> hey guys what do I have to report when digital cameras dont work?
[01:10] <BUGabundo> coz_: only one
[01:10] <coz_> BUGabundo, well :)  actually I have three cameras and only the hp works
[01:10] <BUGabundo> LOL
[01:11] <coz_> BUGabundo, but the others worked in previous version and also in other distributions
[01:11] <coz_> suse  sabayon etc
[01:11] <coz_> but not on ubuntu 9.04:)
[01:12] <coz_> I gues I was asking what logs or reports to generate for this?
[01:12] <BUGabundo> lshal lsusb
[01:12] <coz_> ok
[01:12] <BUGabundo> and file agaist kernel
[01:12] <BUGabundo> $ ubuntu-bug linux
[01:12] <coz_> ok thank you guy
[01:12] <BUGabundo> the page that opens up will instruct you on what else it needs
[01:13] <BUGabundo> let us know the bug id after opened
[01:13] <crashsystems> back online
[01:14] <BUGabundo> we see
[01:14] <coz_> BUGabundo,  wold it best to plugin both nonworking cameras for those command readouts?
[01:15] <coz_> would
[01:17] <coz_> nevermind
[01:18] <Sylphid> hey all, could anyone tell me more about this update-manager warning?  ... upgradable but no canidateOrigin?!?:  xchat
[01:18] <BUGabundo> eheh I better
[01:18] <BUGabundo> never saw it
[01:18] <BUGabundo> just from you
[01:23] <melik> where are the IRC logs of this channel
[01:23] <melik> anyone get this error? > Encounted error 'Error in file /etc/dbus-1/system.d/xorg-server.conf, line 1, column 0: No element found' while parsing '/etc/dbus-1/system.d/xorg-server.conf
[01:23] <melik> at boot up
[01:24] <melik> i also get the same thing about /etc/dbus-1/system.d/wpa-supplement.conf
[01:24] <melik> or something like that
[01:26] <BUGabundo> melik: irclogs.ubuntu.com ?
[01:26] <melik> yeah found it BUGabundo thanks ;D
[01:27] <melik> KDE 4.2.1 looks really nice
[01:27] <BUGabundo> wait for 4.3
[01:27] <melik> i'd be a full convert to KDE if firefox, pidgin, and deluge were QT based
[01:27] <melik> oh and xchat
[01:28] <melik> i hate konqueror and kopete
[01:28] <melik> and quassel or w/e its called
[01:28] <Neon_> reallye?
[01:28] <Neon_> i love kopete
[01:28] <melik> i think pidgin is a lot nicer
[01:28] <Neon_> quassel does suck
[01:28] <Neon_> no DCC
[01:28] <melik> im using xchat right now
[01:29] <melik> Neon_, i suppose if i use kopete long enough
[01:29] <melik> i'll get used to it
[01:29] <Neon_> maybe
[01:29] <melik> i've used pidgin for the past 2 years
[01:29] <AK_Dave> whats wrong with using KDE, but using some gtk apps on the side? Gee, that'd be like using gnome but also liking Amarok
[01:29] <Alan> Hmmm, it appears that whatever the volume up/down keys hook into is completely detached from any mixer...
[01:29] <Alan> As in, the pretty UI think happens, but nothing happens to the sound
[01:30] <melik> AK_Dave, im sort of a perfectionist; and hate having 2 sets of libraries :P
[01:30] <melik> i'd prefer just using GTK or QT
[01:30]  * AK_Dave says "learn to live with it"
[01:30] <melik> :p
[01:30] <melik> although KDE does also have lots of nice progs.
[01:31] <AK_Dave> If you want to be purist gtk or qt, you just accept that you're limiting yourself to a certain slice of linux. Nothing wrong with that. Its your choice. But don't complain. You made the choice. Other people make other choices.
[01:31] <melik> dolphin and amarok are hell'a nice
[01:31] <BUGabundo> AK_Dave: I use GNOME and Kmail
[01:31] <bjsnider> melik, you hate konqueror, kopete, and qt. so why exactly are you using kde at all?
[01:31] <AK_Dave> I like k9copy and k3b, dolphin, and amarok. Dolphin can be especially useful.
[01:31] <BUGabundo> and I'll file bug on LP and upstream on any app that refuses to work well
[01:32] <melik> i dont hate QT
[01:32] <AK_Dave> No, you just want one set of libs.
[01:32] <melik> yep
[01:32] <melik> AK_Dave, i suppose ill have to learn to deal with having 2 sets of libs
[01:33] <melik> its not so bad
[01:33] <bjsnider> you can do that, but youneed to make compromises
[01:33] <AK_Dave> Ram and hard drive are much cheaper than they were a few years ago. I figure I can afford a few hundred extra megs on the drive, and I rarely tax the 2gb ram on this laptop anyways.
[01:33] <Daisuke-Ido> is there a caching issue (or would that be something on my end) 2-line paste:
[01:33] <Daisuke-Ido> E: The package cache file is corrupted
[01:33] <Daisuke-Ido> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[01:33] <Neon_> just a notet to those that use kopete
[01:34] <Neon_> if you update to juanty it erases your msn messenger account
[01:34] <Neon_> cuz it renaims it to windows live
[01:34] <Neon_> renames**
[01:34] <BUGabundo> Daisuke-Ido: I get that every day for the past ~4 months
[01:34] <BUGabundo> no one could explain to me the root cause
[01:35] <bjsnider> why would renaming it destroy it?
[01:35] <AK_Dave> Just thank Microsoft for their infinite wisdom in renaming their stupid messenger thingy in the first place.
[01:35] <melik> i'll have to look into ktorrent; still havent tried it out
[01:36]  * AK_Dave really likes kde torrent clients
[01:38] <JanC> Daisuke-Ido: I have that too...
[01:39] <BUGabundo> melik: I like deluge followed by transmition
[01:40] <bjsnider> deluge used to be good before they updated it
[01:41] <bjsnider> it's tremendously sophisticated -- the only problem is it doesn't work
[01:41] <crashsystems> deluge? I love the new deluge
[01:42] <BUGabundo> I like it
[01:42] <BUGabundo> hope they fixed the complete not so complete downloads
[01:42]  * Barridus kicks Pulseaudio
[01:42] <Barridus> why, dear lord, are you back again?
[01:42] <dtchen> Barridus: it autospawns, why?
[01:43] <bjsnider> ah, there's mr. chen
[01:43] <Barridus> with autospawn=off in /etc/pulse/client.conf
[01:43] <crashsystems> I just reported bug 359817
[01:43]  * BUGabundo bets dtchen doesn't have a chance to sleep....
[01:43] <BUGabundo> yay
[01:43] <BUGabundo> one more intel bug
[01:43] <crashsystems> lol, indeed
[01:43] <Barridus> know of another way to disable pulseaudio, dtchen?
[01:43] <dtchen> Barridus: did you killall pulseaudio *after* changing client.conf ?
[01:44] <BUGabundo> crashsystems: so far so good... my system hasn't crash
[01:44] <crashsystems> lucky! you running intel gpu?
[01:44] <Kangarooo> !seen sn00p-
[01:44] <Kangarooo> !help
[01:44] <Barridus> dtchen, i believe so, but i'll do it again and reboot to verify.  brb
[01:45] <dtchen> barrif you're worried about it starting with GNOME session login, then you need to do...
[01:45] <dtchen> argh
[01:45] <Duckthis> What's the command to reboot an application from terminal?
[01:45] <BUGabundo> crashsystems: (12:41:59 AM) freenode: I'm running NV and metacity to see if NVidia and Compiz are the cause of my crashes
[01:45] <BUGabundo> (12:42:10 AM) freenode: bug 359231
[01:45] <Kangarooo> stop restart?
[01:46] <Duckthis> Yeah kinda
[01:46] <BUGabundo> Duckthis: you don't reboot apps. just OSs
[01:46] <Kangarooo> appache stop
[01:46] <BUGabundo> or services
[01:46] <Kangarooo> appache restart or appache start
[01:46] <BUGabundo> $ sudo /etc/init.d/apache restart
[01:46] <Kangarooo> yes :)
[01:46] <Duckthis> BUGabundo: Sorry, I mean restart "gnome-panel"
[01:47] <Kangarooo> just log out
[01:47] <BUGabundo> killall gnome-panel ?
[01:47] <Barridus> dtchen, pulseaudio is back...
[01:47] <bjsnider> killall gnome-panel
[01:47] <Duckthis> BUGabundo: I write sudo killall gnome-panel | sudo gnome-panel
[01:47] <dtchen> Barridus: you left before i finished
[01:47] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: I told you ..... 26 WPM -.... you have to train harder
[01:47] <Barridus> ok sorry, please continue
[01:47] <dtchen> Barridus: anyhow, you need to also disable pulseaudio on session startup
[01:47] <BUGabundo> Duckthis: no sudo to start it
[01:48] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, i'm at about 46, but i'm sleepy
[01:48] <Duckthis> BUGabundo: So the same command without sudo after the "|"?
[01:48] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: run typespeed and send me a printscreen of that
[01:48] <Barridus> dtchen, session startup?
[01:48] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, why?
[01:48] <dtchen> Barridus: the easiest way to do this is to touch $HOME/.pulse_a11y_nostart
[01:49] <Duckthis> Thanks for that guys
[01:49] <Barridus> dtchen, i'm not sure i understand that
[01:50] <Daisuke-Ido> bjsnider: just out of curiosity, what in deluge doesn't work for you?  1.1.6 is an excellent client (i don't use anything else)
[01:50] <dtchen> Barridus: PulseAudio starts automatically when you log into GNOME
[01:50] <Barridus> dtchen, yeah and i can't seem to get rid of it
[01:50] <dtchen> Barridus: you need to disable that, too, by running the command i gave you
[01:51] <dtchen> Barridus: namely, touch $HOME/.pulse_a11y_nostart
[01:52] <bjsnider> Daisuke-Ido, last used it about 6 months ago. gobbled up cpu time and crashed constantly (the 1.x version, not the older on in intrepid)
[01:52] <Daisuke-Ido> bjsnider: the 1.0.x releases were a big letdown, yes
[01:52] <Barridus> dtchen, oh, "touch" is part of the command. i did not understand
[01:52] <Barridus> how is that reversed then, dtchen?
[01:52] <Daisuke-Ido> 1.1.x has been a whole lot better.  i would put it on par with utorrent easily
[01:53] <dtchen> Barridus: rm $HOME/.pulse_a11y_nostart
[01:53] <tt5786> hey all im after some help i went to try and istall ubuntu 9.04 from 8.10 and now when it boots it boots into someting that says initramfs how can i fix this
[01:53] <Barridus> dtchen, ok thank you i will reboot and see if it's been disabled.
[01:53] <Barridus> brb
[01:53] <bjsnider> why does he want pulse disabled?
[01:54] <bjsnider> he wants to pooch his sound system?
[01:54] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: some ppl don't like it or have trouble with it
[01:54] <BUGabundo> for 1 month I had no sound, until Dan help me fix it
[01:54] <bjsnider> they shouldn't even be awqare of it
[01:54] <tt5786> hey all im after some help i went to try and istall ubuntu 9.04 from 8.10 and now when it boots it boots into someting that says initramfs how can i fix this
[01:56] <Barridus> you are my savior, dtchen.  thank you.
[01:56] <bjsnider> Barridus, why did you want pulseaudio disabled?
[01:57] <tt5786> hey all im after some help i went to try and istall ubuntu 9.04 from 8.10 and now when it boots it boots into someting that says initramfs how can i fix this please i want to get back into ubuntu
[01:57] <Barridus> bjsnider, it crackles like mad on my netbook
[01:57] <bjsnider> crackles
[01:57] <Barridus> like jiggling a loose speaker wire, i don't know another way to say it
[01:58] <AK_Dave> tt5786: jaunty is still beta. use at your own risk. apt-get dist-upgrade from intrepid is pretty dicey.
[01:58] <dtchen> Barridus: you should test my kernel
[01:58] <bjsnider> dtchen, is it an rt kernel?
[01:58] <dtchen> no
[01:59] <dtchen> RT has nothing to do with it
[01:59] <BUGabundo> tt5786: we read it the 1st time
[01:59] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: usually its bad drivers exposed by PA
[01:59] <dtchen> it's adjustment of buffer pointers
[02:00] <Barridus> i doubt my skills are up to the task for that yet, dtchen
[02:00] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, i understand that. lennart talks about it relentlessly
[02:00] <Barridus> "This problem report is damaged and cannot be processed."
[02:01] <rnd_null> Can Someone Give Me A Hand With 9.04 xorg.conf?
[02:01] <dtchen> BUGabundo has installed the test kernel; he might be willing to help you install it
[02:01] <dtchen> -> offline for a bit
[02:02] <AK_Dave> rnd_null: What Is Wrong With Your Xorg.Conf And Is It Related To Your Intermittent Left Shift Problem?
[02:02] <tt5786> yea well some help would be nice
[02:02] <BUGabundo> dtchen: I commented on the bug
[02:02] <tt5786> i have been asking for help since yesterday with no one givin gme the time of day
[02:02] <BUGabundo> dtchen: it helped a bit, but now I'm on NV (and not NVidia) and everything is slow
[02:03] <BUGabundo> tt5786: initframs probs are hard to fix
[02:03] <AK_Dave> tt5786: I think if you would have checked on irc or on ubuntuforums before you did your dist-upgrade you would have been discouraged to attempt it. You may be able to fix it, but you'll find it easiest to reinstall.
[02:03] <rnd_null> :) No, left shift is fine...Is there a way to get xorg.conf to be the "old" way and spell everything out for me?
[02:03] <BUGabundo> usually disabing acpi helps
[02:03] <AK_Dave> rnd_null: no
[02:04] <rnd_null> I'm having trouble switching from openchrome to vesa with Xubuntu...
[02:04] <tt5786> yes but i cant boot from CD as i dont have the CD with me but i do have ubuntu 8.10 on a SD card and i can still access a terminal through an old kernial i was just wondering if there is a way to install ubuntu from the SD in the terminal
[02:04] <AK_Dave> tt5786: Not that I'm aware of.
[02:05] <tt5786> so you cant just call sudo apt-get install (what ever)
[02:05] <Barridus> tt5786, you prolly need a usb adapter thingy that can be booted from the bios
[02:06] <tt5786> my bios does not boot from USB that i can see
[02:06] <Barridus> yay, evolution updates.  please be my fix.
[02:06] <AK_Dave> tt5786: You can install ubuntu from an SD card using terminal, but not with the setup you're likely to have. It requires, essentially, have a dd image of the ubuntu install you want conveniently backed up to the SD card and then booting from (inconveniently) something like a USB stick.
[02:06] <BUGabundo> tt5786: is it a new laptop?
[02:06] <AK_Dave> tt5786: 1999 called, and they want their bios back
[02:06] <tt5786> its an Asus A8Jp with a dule boot of Windows Vista and Ubuntu
[02:06] <BUGabundo> tt5786: if so, its not from USB... the BIOS sees it an external disk
[02:07] <tt5786> ok
[02:07] <BUGabundo> tt5786: so you need to change the disk order (not the boot order) ... yeah confusing I kow
[02:08] <tt5786> i t only comes up with the internal HDD no usb or SD drivs
[02:08] <AK_Dave> tt5786: a usb thumb drive is a low budget item
[02:08] <Barridus> bios booting can be flakey
[02:08] <tt5786> i know
[02:08] <Barridus> tt5786, do what i did.  snag one of those "3 1gb thumb drive" packs.
[02:09] <Barridus> great for linux testbedding.
[02:09] <tt5786> im in OZ we not so lucky
[02:09] <BUGabundo> 16GiBs kyngston are sold at 23€ here
[02:09] <Barridus> yeah but you just need 1gb for a live "cd"
[02:09] <tt5786> true
[02:09] <AK_Dave> Barridus: Exactly. And then use a label maker. Label the thumb drives with linux distros and use those thumb drives as your portably reinstall tool kit. Investment: <$10US
[02:09] <Barridus> i got a hardy flash stick, a jaunty flash stick, and a slax one
[02:10] <Barridus> yep exactly AK_Dave
[02:10] <Neon_> what does a reinstall do?
[02:10] <Neon_> does it let you keep any files?
[02:11] <AK_Dave> Barridus: I have one stick dedicated to ubuntu. Right now it has Intrepid Server 386 on it. What it happens to have depends on which Ubuntu flavor I want. But I never get it confused with the rest of the heap of thumb drives because every one has an external label.
[02:11] <Neon_> or do you mean a total OS reinstall?
[02:11] <Barridus> ok i lied, i still need to re-label my Kubuntu intrep to Ubuntu Jaunty
[02:11] <BUGabundo> Neon_: it does, IF you DON'T select FORMAT from manual disk
[02:11] <Neon_> cool
[02:11] <Barridus> AK_Dave, yeah i use one of those thermal label makers on mine
[02:11] <BUGabundo> Neon_: since Hardy... cool feature
[02:12] <AK_Dave> Barridus: Yup, but I only label it once: "Ubuntu" and leave it alone. Same stick has had a dozen different versions of Ubuntu in the last 6 months.
[02:12] <wirechief> i tried putting kubuntu 9.06 on a stick and it drops to a intramsfs, I may try again on a different computer not sure what it doesnt like.
[02:13] <wirechief> ubuntu on a stick worked fine
[02:13] <AK_Dave> wirechief: couple people have reported "issues" installing kubuntu from a stick. My preference is to install Ubuntu and then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:13] <Barridus> AK_Dave, i'll prolly cut down on my ubuntu variant sticks soon, if jaunty keeps going as well as it has
[02:14] <BUGabundo1> back
[02:14] <BUGabundo1> stupid 3G dongle
[02:14] <wirechief> AK_Dave: yes i thought of that, perhaps when this gets released.
[02:14] <Barridus> i ran into issues with intrepid *stomps feet*, causing me to take that defensive stance with the distros
[02:14] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, having problems with your dongle?
[02:15] <AK_Dave> Barridus: I used to keep a wallet of CDs that I'd update regularly. Slackware, Supergrub, Knoppix, Puppy, Gparted Live, Mint, and an Ubuntu. Now I just keep an Ubuntu, a FreeDOS, and a Knoppix.
[02:15] <Barridus> i might take a crack at installing a persistent live usb
[02:15] <BUGabundo1> it just got disconnected and wouldn't connect again
[02:15] <AK_Dave> And those all on sticks, not CDs.
[02:15] <BUGabundo1> changed usbport, waited a bit, and I'm back in business
[02:15] <Barridus> AK_Dave, after toying with slax, i rather like the idea
[02:15] <Logi> has anything changed wrt dnsmasq to make info from a year ago invalid?
[02:16] <BUGabundo1> AK_Dave: no Clonezilla?
[02:16] <tt5786> thanks for the help guys
[02:16] <spaceBARbarian> i cant get pamusb-conf to detect my SD card, any ideas why ?
[02:17] <AK_Dave> BUG: Haven't tried it. Honestly, Knoppix has all the tools I'm likely to need. The FreeDOS stick is for BIOS upgrades. I just like having one of my sticks bootable with FreeDOS for that specific purpose. Otherwise it is a generic storage stick.
[02:17] <Barridus> yay, evolution exchange calendars works again!
[02:17]  * Barridus bows to the unknown savior(s)
[02:18]  * AK_Dave observed a upgrade to evolution within the last hour or two.
[02:18] <Barridus> nm.. it's still broke.  just delayed breaking.
[02:19] <Logi> Barridus: at work we just switched to google apps and dropped all MS servers. I could still cry for joy.
[02:19] <Barridus> maybe i'll just reboot to a fresh session (still unsure when that is needed or not).  brb
[02:19] <Barridus> i bet, Logi
[02:19] <AK_Dave> Every once in a while I need supergrub, but very rarely and the CD that I made of it is still good. Not current, but it'll do.
[02:19] <Barridus> my job is mostly attorneys, i doubt that could work for us.
[02:20] <Barridus> they like their iphones too much.
[02:20] <Barridus> (i'm not an atty, put the knife down)
[02:20] <Logi> Barridus: I'm pretty sure ophones could work with google mail and google calendar, actually
[02:20] <Barridus> the phones might
[02:20] <Barridus> but the technology is rarely the problem at my job :)
[02:20] <bjsnider> Logi, what are you trying to do, break microsoft's hold on the world?
[02:21] <Barridus> ok brb
[02:21] <Logi> Barridus: quite....
[02:21] <Logi> bjsnider: no, just enjoying the ride while others do the breaking
[02:21] <AK_Dave> Logi: Between Active Directory and Exchange, its hard to get rid of Windows Server.
[02:25] <Barridus> "The Evolution calendars have quit unexpectedly."  bugger.
[02:26] <Logi> AK_Dave: but once you dump those two...
[02:27] <AK_Dave> Logi: Don't hold your breath waiting for it.
[02:29] <OldGuest> hi
[02:29] <OldGuest> is there any specific issue with nvidia-settings not being loaded properly for new drv 1.8xx
[02:30] <bjsnider> no
[02:30] <OldGuest> secondly, why performance degreades if i try to overclock gpu
[02:30] <bjsnider> ask nvidia
[02:30] <OldGuest> hmm
[02:31] <spaceBARbarian> i cant get pamusb-conf to detect my SD card, any ideas why ?
[02:32] <AK_Dave> OldGuest: That'd be a cooling problem. You overclock, you overheat, you reduce performance.
[02:32] <Logi> AK_Dave: not holding my breath. We dumped that crap and I'm breathing free.
[02:33] <OldGuest> AK_Dave: ok thanks
[02:34] <AK_Dave> Logi: If you can do so, great. Not every business can.
[02:34] <Logi> not every business wants to
[02:34] <AK_Dave> Logi: True.
[02:34] <Logi> people keep using "can't" when they mean "can't be arsed to" or "I think something else is more important"
[02:35] <AK_Dave> Logi: Windows Server technicians are cheap and plentiful.
[02:36] <Raylz> AK_Dave: haha
[02:36] <bjsnider> and plentiful and cheap
[02:39] <OldGuest> how to find out which system wide configuration file is being loaded for x session
[02:39] <Barridus> can the new notification system (such as the pidgin messages) be disabled
[02:39] <OldGuest> or is being active
[02:39] <BUGabundo1> Barridus: sure. just disable the pidgin plugin
[02:40] <OldGuest> i mean, is being used or executed or loaded first or .....
[02:40] <Barridus> BUGabundo1, where is that done?  i have yet to mess with the new notification system
[02:42] <BUGabundo1> Barridus: pidgin->plugins->libnotify or somehing like that
[02:42] <Barridus> oh, duh.
[02:42]  * Barridus slaps forehead
[02:43] <Barridus> i was looking "too hard" for it, BUGabundo1
[02:44] <Barridus> now to remember what i was trying to fix 2 or 3 crash reports ago
[02:45] <spaceBARbarian> does anyone know if pamusb is supported in jaunty /
[02:57] <Neon_> hey guys, I'm dual booting but everytime I access my windows partition i have to submit my root password.  Anyone have a solution for this?
[03:05] <brad__> any recommended streaming apps to send video/music to my xbox 360?  I saw ushare/and twonky and tversity.. but was wondering if there was anything newer out there that people recommend?
[03:08] <un2him> anyone able to import pst files with the new evolution?
[03:09] <Tefad> NO.
[03:09] <bruce89> pst being?
[03:09] <un2him> outlook data file
[03:09] <Castawayz> i love jaunty
[03:10] <Castawayz> the ubuntu six month new release thing does wonders for my ocd
[03:10] <un2him> yep, jaunty rocks
[03:10] <un2him> and i've had no probs with ext4
[03:11] <Castawayz> a year from now we will be two weeks away from Lazy Lollipop