| Neon_ | look for graphics card drivers | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| Neon_ | GilesM | 00:00 |
| Neon_ | you might run into the same problem i am though | 00:00 |
| Neon_ | which means you'll have to play the waiting game | 00:00 |
| acr0nym | lol I've seen enough of kubuntu to switch back to gnome ;) | 00:05 |
| acr0nym | it's nice but I don't have the time to learn a new environment | 00:05 |
| acr0nym | and it doesn't seem very netbook friendly | 00:05 |
| ikus060 | acr0nym: I agree with you | 00:06 |
| ikus060 | acr0nym: you better stay on gnome for a Netbook | 00:06 |
| acr0nym | brb | 00:07 |
| acr0nym | time to remove kubuntu | 00:11 |
| acr0nym | should I use the remove command or the purge command? | 00:11 |
| acr0nym | and will it remove all of the extra applications it installed? | 00:11 |
| === TommyBres_ is now known as Tommy_Bres | ||
| Tommy_Bres | kinda new to ubuntu, using it from a flash drive, out of nowhere pidgin crashes on every open... any ideas? (9.04) | 00:12 |
| acr0nym | hmm what's the command to remove kubuntu-desktop lol | 00:13 |
| mprice | try opening pidgin in the terminal it's probably segfaulting, Tommy_Bres | 00:14 |
| acr0nym | not getting any help now since there are only kubuntu fans in here :p | 00:14 |
| Tommy_Bres | dumb question, how do i open it in terminal :P | 00:14 |
| Logi | acr0nym: just use kopete, it rocks :-P | 00:14 |
| mprice | type in "pidgin" | 00:14 |
| Tommy_Bres | ...that's too easy lol | 00:14 |
| acr0nym | moi or Tommy_Bres | 00:14 |
| Tommy_Bres | as soon as i open it via terminal, it closes | 00:15 |
| Tommy_Bres | hmm i sudo pidgin'd and it gave me the "add account" screen | 00:15 |
| Logi | whyat language is the word ubuntu taken from again? | 00:16 |
| acr0nym | african | 00:16 |
| acr0nym | omg lol how do I uninstall kubuntu with all of its applications | 00:16 |
| mprice | so what does it say when you it open then closes pidgin | 00:16 |
| Logi | (I'd google it, but I'm purging and re-instaling the X-server to see if my machine stops crashing, and links just isn't fun to use on today's web) | 00:16 |
| acr0nym | once you go kubuntu yonever go back?u | 00:16 |
| Logi | acr0nym: what african? | 00:16 |
| maco | acr0nym: since when is that a language? | 00:16 |
| BUGabundo | Logi: south african | 00:16 |
| maco | that's a *continent* | 00:16 |
| acr0nym | looooool | 00:16 |
| acr0nym | sorry about that | 00:16 |
| BUGabundo | ubuntu.com/about | 00:16 |
| Logi | BUGabundo: ok | 00:16 |
| acr0nym | south african? | 00:16 |
| maco | BUGabundo: S. Africans speak English | 00:16 |
| BUGabundo | they have many dialects | 00:17 |
| maco | i *think* Swahili | 00:17 |
| Logi | see, I was dating a native Swahili speaker and thought she'd recognize it, but no... | 00:17 |
| maco | ok lady next to me says "swahili" | 00:17 |
| Logi | maco: or dutch or any number of native languages | 00:17 |
| mprice | acr0nym: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome | 00:17 |
| maco | guy on the other side says its in a bunch of Bantu languages | 00:17 |
| maco | wow all the people around us know about ubuntu | 00:17 |
| Tommy_Bres | mprice it worked :) | 00:17 |
| Tommy_Bres | should it keep working from now on when i open it through the gui? | 00:18 |
| maco | and the lady next to me is talking about how debian stock kernels dont boot on her hardware | 00:18 |
| * BUGabundo feels forced to go look for it in the wiki bah | 00:18 | |
| Logi | maco: bunch-of-bantu sounds more likely. That would be S.Africa (iirc) and would excuse my Kenyan friend :) | 00:18 |
| Tommy_Bres | i'll have to gewgle "segfault" so i know what the heck caused it | 00:18 |
| acr0nym | should I use kubuntu or kubuntu kde4 version? | 00:18 |
| maco | um well kde 3 's not in jaunty.... | 00:18 |
| Logi | acr0nym: 09.04 is kde4 unless you go for the reently announced and unsupported kde3 remix | 00:18 |
| mprice | you have Jaunty installed or Intrpedid, acr0nym? | 00:19 |
| acr0nym | I installed with sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop | 00:19 |
| acr0nym | jaunty | 00:19 |
| acr0nym | so that would be kde4? | 00:19 |
| maco | yeah kde4' the only option | 00:19 |
| acr0nym | :) | 00:19 |
| mprice | Tommy_Bres, does it open without using sudo? | 00:19 |
| Tommy_Bres | it opened and closed immediately without sudo | 00:19 |
| acr0nym | Package adept is not installed, so not removed | 00:20 |
| acr0nym | heh it won't even work | 00:20 |
| Tommy_Bres | but sudo gave me the add accounts screen, lost my info, but it works now | 00:20 |
| Halow | That's because sudo runs it as root, and root never had any pidgin account info. | 00:20 |
| mprice | but you don't want to run pidgin with superuser rights | 00:21 |
| Tommy_Bres | yeah halow thats what i figured | 00:21 |
| Tommy_Bres | sure i do, pidgin can superuse me all day | 00:21 |
| BUGabundo | ok maco Logi /home/bugabundo/MisterDocExpressDemo2009.exe | 00:21 |
| BUGabundo | bah | 00:21 |
| BUGabundo | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28philosophy%29 | 00:21 |
| BUGabundo | correct link | 00:21 |
| maco | haha | 00:21 |
| * BUGabundo needs to read before enter | 00:21 | |
| Tommy_Bres | someone in another channel is telling me to change the accounts.xml file to disable the XMPP account from connecting on startup | 00:22 |
| Tommy_Bres | he said that's what was giving him hell | 00:22 |
| mprice | it could be a possibililty | 00:22 |
| Logi | Tommy_Bres: of course, that would make it quite a bit less useful... | 00:22 |
| BUGabundo | "In the Shona language, the majority spoken language in Zimbabwe after English, ubuntu is unhu." | 00:22 |
| Tommy_Bres | so how could i do that? | 00:23 |
| Tommy_Bres | where's the accounts.xml file | 00:23 |
| mprice | check under /etc/pidgin | 00:24 |
| Tommy_Bres | lol he says it's in ~/.purple | 00:24 |
| Tommy_Bres | i didnt know that directory existed o.o | 00:24 |
| Halow | ~/.purple is where it is. | 00:24 |
| Logi | ok... I now have no x server and my only network is a wireless one using wpa2 and I have no idea how to connect it without using network-manager | 00:24 |
| mprice | see shows you how much i use pidgin | 00:24 |
| Logi | the x-server had better install again | 00:24 |
| BUGabundo | Tommy_Bres: ~/.purple/ | 00:25 |
| Logi | is threre really no cli/curses based network-manager client? | 00:25 |
| acr0nym | omg lol it's not even possible to uninstall kubuntu | 00:25 |
| acr0nym | you guys didn't tell me that before installing :P | 00:25 |
| Halow | apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop | 00:25 |
| Tommy_Bres | hahah | 00:25 |
| mprice | did you ask anybody acr0nym before you installed it | 00:25 |
| BUGabundo | Halow: that won't do it | 00:25 |
| Halow | But it won't take its many packages with it. =( | 00:25 |
| Halow | No? | 00:25 |
| acr0nym | well they implied it ;) | 00:26 |
| BUGabundo | just run $ sudo apt-get autoremove | 00:26 |
| BUGabundo | Halow: that just removes the metapackage... not the dependecies | 00:26 |
| mprice | sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop should remove most of the packages | 00:26 |
| BUGabundo | acr0nym: just run $ sudo apt-get autoremove | 00:26 |
| BUGabundo | after removing kubuntu-desktop | 00:26 |
| acr0nym | I'm using sudo apt-get remove --purge kde'*' | 00:27 |
| acr0nym | now | 00:27 |
| Tommy_Bres | i can't just gedit the accounts.xml file? | 00:27 |
| Halow | Sure you can. | 00:27 |
| BUGabundo | acr0nym: better not | 00:27 |
| Tommy_Bres | still a noob but i thought sudo gedit ~/.purple/accounts.xml.save would be the thing to do | 00:27 |
| Tommy_Bres | it shows me a blank file... | 00:27 |
| acr0nym | whoops lol why not? | 00:27 |
| Halow | Tommy_Bres: Take out the .save at the end. | 00:28 |
| Tommy_Bres | oh ok | 00:28 |
| Tommy_Bres | it shows that in the directory | 00:28 |
| mprice | !gksudo | Tommy_Bres | 00:28 |
| ubottu | Tommy_Bres: If you need to run graphical applications as root, use « gksudo », as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why) | 00:28 |
| acr0nym | meh it's almost too attractive to just reinstall ubuntu now | 00:28 |
| acr0nym | still have the install iso on the usb stick | 00:28 |
| Tommy_Bres | :O ubottu | 00:28 |
| Tommy_Bres | i've ALWAYS Been told to just sudo it | 00:29 |
| acr0nym | would take about 15 in | 00:29 |
| acr0nym | min | 00:29 |
| mprice | it would be easier to to just reinstall Ubuntu acr0nym | 00:29 |
| Logi | acr0nym: wait until the release... | 00:29 |
| * Tommy_Bres feels mislead :( | 00:29 | |
| Tommy_Bres | if i just delete this accounts.xml file will it have me re-adding the accounts and such? | 00:30 |
| Tommy_Bres | i dont know if theres something else it depends on, but if i can just remove this it'd be easier | 00:30 |
| Halow | It'll probably prompt you to give all your account's information again. | 00:30 |
| Tommy_Bres | ok cool | 00:30 |
| acr0nym | hmm seems everything from kubuntu got removed with that command :) | 00:31 |
| Tommy_Bres | uhhhhhhh | 00:31 |
| Tommy_Bres | or it'll just start and crash again | 00:31 |
| Tommy_Bres | even with accounts.xml deleted | 00:31 |
| BUGabundo | mprice: don't advice a user to run an editor with admin privigles on a userspace file! it will get lock and with the wrong permitions | 00:31 |
| Logi | ok... X server purged and re-installed. Let me now try to crash the damned thing | 00:32 |
| Logi | (again) | 00:33 |
| Logi | so far so good... | 00:34 |
| * Logi is still alive | 00:35 | |
| mprice | what do you mean an userspace file? | 00:36 |
| Halow | Don't need to sudo for anything in ~/, I guess. | 00:37 |
| Logi | just to mgs interesting I'm launching my java IDE and the bloated crap servers that I write | 00:37 |
| Logi | s/mgs/make things/ | 00:37 |
| Halow | Tommy_Bres: Perhaps you could try to rename the ~/.purple/ folder? | 00:38 |
| Logi | ~/.magenta/ is nice... | 00:38 |
| Logi | quite similar | 00:38 |
| Halow | ;P | 00:38 |
| mprice | that will cause problems with pidgin | 00:39 |
| Halow | Let's see... | 00:39 |
| BUGabundo | mprice: yep, Halow is correct | 00:39 |
| crashedsystem | My Jaunty system (ext4, running compiz) is currently frozen. I've SSHd into it, and I can make files and SCP them back and forth. Anyone have an idea what info I can collect that will be useful? | 00:39 |
| BUGabundo | crashedsystem: bryce emailed to -devel ML | 00:40 |
| BUGabundo | a wiki link with the proper debug procedure | 00:40 |
| crashedsystem | ok | 00:40 |
| Mulder | ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/X.org.something | 00:40 |
| BUGabundo | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Freeze | 00:40 |
| crashedsystem | Thinking compiz might be the problem, I killed it. this did not help | 00:40 |
| Mulder | crashedsystem, you have ati driver? | 00:41 |
| crashedsystem | intel | 00:41 |
| Logi | BUGabundo: ah, I'm going to have a look at that, in case my reinstall of the xserver doesn't help | 00:41 |
| Mulder | ah | 00:41 |
| Logi | crashedsystem: same as me... | 00:41 |
| Neon_ | anyone irc chat using quassel? | 00:41 |
| Logi | I just don't have any other machine ot ssh in from when I crash | 00:41 |
| BUGabundo | I'm running NV and metacity to see if NVidia and Compiz are the cause of my crashes | 00:41 |
| Logi | Neon_: I did for a couple of days before gfoing back to ssh+screen+irssi on a remote machine | 00:42 |
| BUGabundo | bug 359231 | 00:42 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 359231 in linux "system freeze and kernel panic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/359231 | 00:42 |
| Logi | Neon_: it seamed quite reasonable | 00:42 |
| Logi | seemed | 00:42 |
| Neon_ | oh | 00:42 |
| Neon_ | cuz i'm clueless on how to get it to do data transfers | 00:42 |
| * Logi too tbh | 00:43 | |
| Neon_ | i keep getting timed out when i try | 00:43 |
| crashedsystem | Bugabundo, I got those two files. anything else? | 00:44 |
| BUGabundo | crashedsystem: don't know! that's all he asks for | 00:44 |
| crashedsystem | ok | 00:45 |
| Logissimo | Neon_: that could be a firewall issue? | 00:45 |
| Logissimo | Neon_: iirc irc file-transfers are ctcp, i.e. client-to-client so you need to be able to make a direct connection to the other machine | 00:45 |
| crashedsystem | I'm also getting kerneloops messages every time I start, and I am wondering if it is related | 00:45 |
| Logissimo | not that I really konw, I tend to irc from a nicely connected server somewhere | 00:46 |
| BUGabundo | crashedsystem: many things cause it | 00:48 |
| BUGabundo | I unsintaled it bevcause of that. I got one EVERY boot or resume | 00:48 |
| mprice | I see what your saying, Bugabundo if its in the /home directory it doesn't need superuser privileges. | 00:48 |
| BUGabundo | someone needs to tell mprice how to use "tab" | 00:49 |
| Neon_ | turns out quassel doesn't support DCC yet | 00:56 |
| Neon_ | another thing i have to wait on | 00:56 |
| Neon_ | if its not done yet, i don't think they should of added it to jaunty | 00:57 |
| dtchen | then a lot of software would not be in Jaunty | 00:57 |
| dtchen | namely: linux, xserver-xorg, pulseaudio, compiz, ... | 00:58 |
| Neon_ | yea but they replaced konversation with quassel | 00:58 |
| Neon_ | they should of just kept konversation | 00:58 |
| dtchen | you can take that up with people in #kubuntu-devel | 00:58 |
| dtchen | whinging at us isn't going to change a thing ;-) | 00:58 |
| BUGabundo | humm where is this conversation coming from ? | 00:59 |
| Neon_ | not wineing | 01:00 |
| Neon_ | just saying | 01:00 |
| eegore | I like wine, a deep red tastes nice with a strong cheese | 01:01 |
| eegore | ;) | 01:01 |
| bjsnider | because konversation hasn't been ported to kde4 yet | 01:05 |
| crashedsystem | anyone know of a way to _force_ a halt over SSH, without doing a hard reset? | 01:05 |
| BUGabundo | crashedsystem: you can simulate a sysrq B | 01:06 |
| pwnguin | crashedsystem: shutdown -H? | 01:06 |
| BUGabundo | just sudo echo b to some /proc file | 01:06 |
| crashedsystem | the sysrq keys are not working for me | 01:06 |
| crashedsystem | and I've already lost the SSH connection :( | 01:07 |
| crashedsystem | time for a bloody hard reset... | 01:07 |
| dtchen | BUGabundo: echo b|sudo tee | 01:07 |
| BUGabundo | dtchen: lol | 01:08 |
| crashedsystem | I just hope I did not loose too much of what I was working on in the gimp | 01:08 |
| bjsnider | maybe you shouldn't be using an unstable distro then | 01:09 |
| crashedsystem | lol, true | 01:09 |
| bjsnider | if this is a production machine | 01:09 |
| crashedsystem | It is kinda ironic that I was making a business card for Crashsystems LLC when it happened. | 01:09 |
| bjsnider | it's a company that crashes computer systems? | 01:09 |
| bjsnider | that would be fun | 01:09 |
| crashedsystem | no, not quite | 01:10 |
| BUGabundo | crashedsystem: already found a nice logo? | 01:10 |
| coz_ | hey guys what do I have to report when digital cameras dont work? | 01:10 |
| BUGabundo | coz_: only one | 01:10 |
| coz_ | BUGabundo, well :) actually I have three cameras and only the hp works | 01:10 |
| BUGabundo | LOL | 01:10 |
| coz_ | BUGabundo, but the others worked in previous version and also in other distributions | 01:11 |
| coz_ | suse sabayon etc | 01:11 |
| coz_ | but not on ubuntu 9.04:) | 01:11 |
| coz_ | I gues I was asking what logs or reports to generate for this? | 01:12 |
| BUGabundo | lshal lsusb | 01:12 |
| coz_ | ok | 01:12 |
| BUGabundo | and file agaist kernel | 01:12 |
| BUGabundo | $ ubuntu-bug linux | 01:12 |
| coz_ | ok thank you guy | 01:12 |
| BUGabundo | the page that opens up will instruct you on what else it needs | 01:12 |
| BUGabundo | let us know the bug id after opened | 01:13 |
| crashsystems | back online | 01:13 |
| BUGabundo | we see | 01:14 |
| coz_ | BUGabundo, wold it best to plugin both nonworking cameras for those command readouts? | 01:14 |
| coz_ | would | 01:15 |
| coz_ | nevermind | 01:17 |
| Sylphid | hey all, could anyone tell me more about this update-manager warning? ... upgradable but no canidateOrigin?!?: xchat | 01:18 |
| BUGabundo | eheh I better | 01:18 |
| BUGabundo | never saw it | 01:18 |
| BUGabundo | just from you | 01:18 |
| melik | where are the IRC logs of this channel | 01:23 |
| melik | anyone get this error? > Encounted error 'Error in file /etc/dbus-1/system.d/xorg-server.conf, line 1, column 0: No element found' while parsing '/etc/dbus-1/system.d/xorg-server.conf | 01:23 |
| melik | at boot up | 01:23 |
| melik | i also get the same thing about /etc/dbus-1/system.d/wpa-supplement.conf | 01:24 |
| melik | or something like that | 01:24 |
| BUGabundo | melik: irclogs.ubuntu.com ? | 01:26 |
| melik | yeah found it BUGabundo thanks ;D | 01:26 |
| melik | KDE 4.2.1 looks really nice | 01:27 |
| BUGabundo | wait for 4.3 | 01:27 |
| melik | i'd be a full convert to KDE if firefox, pidgin, and deluge were QT based | 01:27 |
| melik | oh and xchat | 01:27 |
| melik | i hate konqueror and kopete | 01:28 |
| melik | and quassel or w/e its called | 01:28 |
| Neon_ | reallye? | 01:28 |
| Neon_ | i love kopete | 01:28 |
| melik | i think pidgin is a lot nicer | 01:28 |
| Neon_ | quassel does suck | 01:28 |
| Neon_ | no DCC | 01:28 |
| melik | im using xchat right now | 01:28 |
| melik | Neon_, i suppose if i use kopete long enough | 01:29 |
| melik | i'll get used to it | 01:29 |
| === jon__ is now known as scream | ||
| Neon_ | maybe | 01:29 |
| melik | i've used pidgin for the past 2 years | 01:29 |
| AK_Dave | whats wrong with using KDE, but using some gtk apps on the side? Gee, that'd be like using gnome but also liking Amarok | 01:29 |
| Alan | Hmmm, it appears that whatever the volume up/down keys hook into is completely detached from any mixer... | 01:29 |
| Alan | As in, the pretty UI think happens, but nothing happens to the sound | 01:29 |
| melik | AK_Dave, im sort of a perfectionist; and hate having 2 sets of libraries :P | 01:30 |
| melik | i'd prefer just using GTK or QT | 01:30 |
| * AK_Dave says "learn to live with it" | 01:30 | |
| melik | :p | 01:30 |
| melik | although KDE does also have lots of nice progs. | 01:30 |
| AK_Dave | If you want to be purist gtk or qt, you just accept that you're limiting yourself to a certain slice of linux. Nothing wrong with that. Its your choice. But don't complain. You made the choice. Other people make other choices. | 01:31 |
| melik | dolphin and amarok are hell'a nice | 01:31 |
| BUGabundo | AK_Dave: I use GNOME and Kmail | 01:31 |
| bjsnider | melik, you hate konqueror, kopete, and qt. so why exactly are you using kde at all? | 01:31 |
| AK_Dave | I like k9copy and k3b, dolphin, and amarok. Dolphin can be especially useful. | 01:31 |
| BUGabundo | and I'll file bug on LP and upstream on any app that refuses to work well | 01:31 |
| melik | i dont hate QT | 01:32 |
| AK_Dave | No, you just want one set of libs. | 01:32 |
| melik | yep | 01:32 |
| melik | AK_Dave, i suppose ill have to learn to deal with having 2 sets of libs | 01:32 |
| melik | its not so bad | 01:33 |
| bjsnider | you can do that, but youneed to make compromises | 01:33 |
| AK_Dave | Ram and hard drive are much cheaper than they were a few years ago. I figure I can afford a few hundred extra megs on the drive, and I rarely tax the 2gb ram on this laptop anyways. | 01:33 |
| Daisuke-Ido | is there a caching issue (or would that be something on my end) 2-line paste: | 01:33 |
| Daisuke-Ido | E: The package cache file is corrupted | 01:33 |
| Daisuke-Ido | E: _cache->open() failed, please report. | 01:33 |
| Neon_ | just a notet to those that use kopete | 01:33 |
| Neon_ | if you update to juanty it erases your msn messenger account | 01:34 |
| Neon_ | cuz it renaims it to windows live | 01:34 |
| Neon_ | renames** | 01:34 |
| BUGabundo | Daisuke-Ido: I get that every day for the past ~4 months | 01:34 |
| BUGabundo | no one could explain to me the root cause | 01:34 |
| bjsnider | why would renaming it destroy it? | 01:35 |
| AK_Dave | Just thank Microsoft for their infinite wisdom in renaming their stupid messenger thingy in the first place. | 01:35 |
| melik | i'll have to look into ktorrent; still havent tried it out | 01:35 |
| * AK_Dave really likes kde torrent clients | 01:36 | |
| JanC | Daisuke-Ido: I have that too... | 01:38 |
| BUGabundo | melik: I like deluge followed by transmition | 01:39 |
| bjsnider | deluge used to be good before they updated it | 01:40 |
| bjsnider | it's tremendously sophisticated -- the only problem is it doesn't work | 01:41 |
| crashsystems | deluge? I love the new deluge | 01:41 |
| BUGabundo | I like it | 01:42 |
| BUGabundo | hope they fixed the complete not so complete downloads | 01:42 |
| * Barridus kicks Pulseaudio | 01:42 | |
| Barridus | why, dear lord, are you back again? | 01:42 |
| dtchen | Barridus: it autospawns, why? | 01:42 |
| bjsnider | ah, there's mr. chen | 01:43 |
| Barridus | with autospawn=off in /etc/pulse/client.conf | 01:43 |
| crashsystems | I just reported bug 359817 | 01:43 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 359817 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Screen lockup in Jaunty, running an intel video card" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/359817 | 01:43 |
| * BUGabundo bets dtchen doesn't have a chance to sleep.... | 01:43 | |
| BUGabundo | yay | 01:43 |
| BUGabundo | one more intel bug | 01:43 |
| crashsystems | lol, indeed | 01:43 |
| Barridus | know of another way to disable pulseaudio, dtchen? | 01:43 |
| dtchen | Barridus: did you killall pulseaudio *after* changing client.conf ? | 01:43 |
| BUGabundo | crashsystems: so far so good... my system hasn't crash | 01:44 |
| crashsystems | lucky! you running intel gpu? | 01:44 |
| Kangarooo | !seen sn00p- | 01:44 |
| ubottu | I have no seen command | 01:44 |
| Kangarooo | !help | 01:44 |
| ubottu | Hi! I'm #ubuntu+1's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots | 01:44 |
| Barridus | dtchen, i believe so, but i'll do it again and reboot to verify. brb | 01:44 |
| dtchen | barrif you're worried about it starting with GNOME session login, then you need to do... | 01:45 |
| dtchen | argh | 01:45 |
| Duckthis | What's the command to reboot an application from terminal? | 01:45 |
| BUGabundo | crashsystems: (12:41:59 AM) freenode: I'm running NV and metacity to see if NVidia and Compiz are the cause of my crashes | 01:45 |
| BUGabundo | (12:42:10 AM) freenode: bug 359231 | 01:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 359231 in linux "system freeze and kernel panic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/359231 | 01:45 |
| Kangarooo | stop restart? | 01:45 |
| Duckthis | Yeah kinda | 01:46 |
| BUGabundo | Duckthis: you don't reboot apps. just OSs | 01:46 |
| Kangarooo | appache stop | 01:46 |
| BUGabundo | or services | 01:46 |
| Kangarooo | appache restart or appache start | 01:46 |
| BUGabundo | $ sudo /etc/init.d/apache restart | 01:46 |
| Kangarooo | yes :) | 01:46 |
| Duckthis | BUGabundo: Sorry, I mean restart "gnome-panel" | 01:46 |
| Kangarooo | just log out | 01:47 |
| BUGabundo | killall gnome-panel ? | 01:47 |
| Barridus | dtchen, pulseaudio is back... | 01:47 |
| bjsnider | killall gnome-panel | 01:47 |
| Duckthis | BUGabundo: I write sudo killall gnome-panel | sudo gnome-panel | 01:47 |
| dtchen | Barridus: you left before i finished | 01:47 |
| BUGabundo | bjsnider: I told you ..... 26 WPM -.... you have to train harder | 01:47 |
| Barridus | ok sorry, please continue | 01:47 |
| dtchen | Barridus: anyhow, you need to also disable pulseaudio on session startup | 01:47 |
| BUGabundo | Duckthis: no sudo to start it | 01:47 |
| bjsnider | BUGabundo, i'm at about 46, but i'm sleepy | 01:48 |
| Duckthis | BUGabundo: So the same command without sudo after the "|"? | 01:48 |
| BUGabundo | bjsnider: run typespeed and send me a printscreen of that | 01:48 |
| Barridus | dtchen, session startup? | 01:48 |
| bjsnider | BUGabundo, why? | 01:48 |
| dtchen | Barridus: the easiest way to do this is to touch $HOME/.pulse_a11y_nostart | 01:48 |
| Duckthis | Thanks for that guys | 01:49 |
| Barridus | dtchen, i'm not sure i understand that | 01:49 |
| Daisuke-Ido | bjsnider: just out of curiosity, what in deluge doesn't work for you? 1.1.6 is an excellent client (i don't use anything else) | 01:50 |
| dtchen | Barridus: PulseAudio starts automatically when you log into GNOME | 01:50 |
| Barridus | dtchen, yeah and i can't seem to get rid of it | 01:50 |
| dtchen | Barridus: you need to disable that, too, by running the command i gave you | 01:50 |
| dtchen | Barridus: namely, touch $HOME/.pulse_a11y_nostart | 01:51 |
| bjsnider | Daisuke-Ido, last used it about 6 months ago. gobbled up cpu time and crashed constantly (the 1.x version, not the older on in intrepid) | 01:52 |
| Daisuke-Ido | bjsnider: the 1.0.x releases were a big letdown, yes | 01:52 |
| Barridus | dtchen, oh, "touch" is part of the command. i did not understand | 01:52 |
| Barridus | how is that reversed then, dtchen? | 01:52 |
| Daisuke-Ido | 1.1.x has been a whole lot better. i would put it on par with utorrent easily | 01:52 |
| dtchen | Barridus: rm $HOME/.pulse_a11y_nostart | 01:53 |
| tt5786 | hey all im after some help i went to try and istall ubuntu 9.04 from 8.10 and now when it boots it boots into someting that says initramfs how can i fix this | 01:53 |
| Barridus | dtchen, ok thank you i will reboot and see if it's been disabled. | 01:53 |
| Barridus | brb | 01:53 |
| bjsnider | why does he want pulse disabled? | 01:53 |
| bjsnider | he wants to pooch his sound system? | 01:54 |
| BUGabundo | bjsnider: some ppl don't like it or have trouble with it | 01:54 |
| BUGabundo | for 1 month I had no sound, until Dan help me fix it | 01:54 |
| bjsnider | they shouldn't even be awqare of it | 01:54 |
| tt5786 | hey all im after some help i went to try and istall ubuntu 9.04 from 8.10 and now when it boots it boots into someting that says initramfs how can i fix this | 01:54 |
| Barridus | you are my savior, dtchen. thank you. | 01:56 |
| bjsnider | Barridus, why did you want pulseaudio disabled? | 01:56 |
| tt5786 | hey all im after some help i went to try and istall ubuntu 9.04 from 8.10 and now when it boots it boots into someting that says initramfs how can i fix this please i want to get back into ubuntu | 01:57 |
| Barridus | bjsnider, it crackles like mad on my netbook | 01:57 |
| bjsnider | crackles | 01:57 |
| Barridus | like jiggling a loose speaker wire, i don't know another way to say it | 01:57 |
| AK_Dave | tt5786: jaunty is still beta. use at your own risk. apt-get dist-upgrade from intrepid is pretty dicey. | 01:58 |
| dtchen | Barridus: you should test my kernel | 01:58 |
| bjsnider | dtchen, is it an rt kernel? | 01:58 |
| dtchen | no | 01:58 |
| dtchen | RT has nothing to do with it | 01:59 |
| BUGabundo | tt5786: we read it the 1st time | 01:59 |
| BUGabundo | bjsnider: usually its bad drivers exposed by PA | 01:59 |
| dtchen | it's adjustment of buffer pointers | 01:59 |
| Barridus | i doubt my skills are up to the task for that yet, dtchen | 02:00 |
| bjsnider | BUGabundo, i understand that. lennart talks about it relentlessly | 02:00 |
| Barridus | "This problem report is damaged and cannot be processed." | 02:00 |
| rnd_null | Can Someone Give Me A Hand With 9.04 xorg.conf? | 02:01 |
| dtchen | BUGabundo has installed the test kernel; he might be willing to help you install it | 02:01 |
| dtchen | -> offline for a bit | 02:01 |
| AK_Dave | rnd_null: What Is Wrong With Your Xorg.Conf And Is It Related To Your Intermittent Left Shift Problem? | 02:02 |
| tt5786 | yea well some help would be nice | 02:02 |
| BUGabundo | dtchen: I commented on the bug | 02:02 |
| tt5786 | i have been asking for help since yesterday with no one givin gme the time of day | 02:02 |
| BUGabundo | dtchen: it helped a bit, but now I'm on NV (and not NVidia) and everything is slow | 02:02 |
| BUGabundo | tt5786: initframs probs are hard to fix | 02:03 |
| AK_Dave | tt5786: I think if you would have checked on irc or on ubuntuforums before you did your dist-upgrade you would have been discouraged to attempt it. You may be able to fix it, but you'll find it easiest to reinstall. | 02:03 |
| rnd_null | :) No, left shift is fine...Is there a way to get xorg.conf to be the "old" way and spell everything out for me? | 02:03 |
| BUGabundo | usually disabing acpi helps | 02:03 |
| AK_Dave | rnd_null: no | 02:03 |
| rnd_null | I'm having trouble switching from openchrome to vesa with Xubuntu... | 02:04 |
| tt5786 | yes but i cant boot from CD as i dont have the CD with me but i do have ubuntu 8.10 on a SD card and i can still access a terminal through an old kernial i was just wondering if there is a way to install ubuntu from the SD in the terminal | 02:04 |
| AK_Dave | tt5786: Not that I'm aware of. | 02:04 |
| tt5786 | so you cant just call sudo apt-get install (what ever) | 02:05 |
| Barridus | tt5786, you prolly need a usb adapter thingy that can be booted from the bios | 02:05 |
| tt5786 | my bios does not boot from USB that i can see | 02:06 |
| Barridus | yay, evolution updates. please be my fix. | 02:06 |
| AK_Dave | tt5786: You can install ubuntu from an SD card using terminal, but not with the setup you're likely to have. It requires, essentially, have a dd image of the ubuntu install you want conveniently backed up to the SD card and then booting from (inconveniently) something like a USB stick. | 02:06 |
| BUGabundo | tt5786: is it a new laptop? | 02:06 |
| AK_Dave | tt5786: 1999 called, and they want their bios back | 02:06 |
| tt5786 | its an Asus A8Jp with a dule boot of Windows Vista and Ubuntu | 02:06 |
| BUGabundo | tt5786: if so, its not from USB... the BIOS sees it an external disk | 02:06 |
| tt5786 | ok | 02:07 |
| BUGabundo | tt5786: so you need to change the disk order (not the boot order) ... yeah confusing I kow | 02:07 |
| tt5786 | i t only comes up with the internal HDD no usb or SD drivs | 02:08 |
| AK_Dave | tt5786: a usb thumb drive is a low budget item | 02:08 |
| Barridus | bios booting can be flakey | 02:08 |
| tt5786 | i know | 02:08 |
| Barridus | tt5786, do what i did. snag one of those "3 1gb thumb drive" packs. | 02:08 |
| Barridus | great for linux testbedding. | 02:09 |
| tt5786 | im in OZ we not so lucky | 02:09 |
| BUGabundo | 16GiBs kyngston are sold at 23€ here | 02:09 |
| Barridus | yeah but you just need 1gb for a live "cd" | 02:09 |
| tt5786 | true | 02:09 |
| AK_Dave | Barridus: Exactly. And then use a label maker. Label the thumb drives with linux distros and use those thumb drives as your portably reinstall tool kit. Investment: <$10US | 02:09 |
| Barridus | i got a hardy flash stick, a jaunty flash stick, and a slax one | 02:09 |
| Barridus | yep exactly AK_Dave | 02:10 |
| Neon_ | what does a reinstall do? | 02:10 |
| Neon_ | does it let you keep any files? | 02:10 |
| AK_Dave | Barridus: I have one stick dedicated to ubuntu. Right now it has Intrepid Server 386 on it. What it happens to have depends on which Ubuntu flavor I want. But I never get it confused with the rest of the heap of thumb drives because every one has an external label. | 02:11 |
| Neon_ | or do you mean a total OS reinstall? | 02:11 |
| Barridus | ok i lied, i still need to re-label my Kubuntu intrep to Ubuntu Jaunty | 02:11 |
| BUGabundo | Neon_: it does, IF you DON'T select FORMAT from manual disk | 02:11 |
| Neon_ | cool | 02:11 |
| Barridus | AK_Dave, yeah i use one of those thermal label makers on mine | 02:11 |
| BUGabundo | Neon_: since Hardy... cool feature | 02:11 |
| AK_Dave | Barridus: Yup, but I only label it once: "Ubuntu" and leave it alone. Same stick has had a dozen different versions of Ubuntu in the last 6 months. | 02:12 |
| wirechief | i tried putting kubuntu 9.06 on a stick and it drops to a intramsfs, I may try again on a different computer not sure what it doesnt like. | 02:12 |
| wirechief | ubuntu on a stick worked fine | 02:13 |
| AK_Dave | wirechief: couple people have reported "issues" installing kubuntu from a stick. My preference is to install Ubuntu and then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop | 02:13 |
| Barridus | AK_Dave, i'll prolly cut down on my ubuntu variant sticks soon, if jaunty keeps going as well as it has | 02:13 |
| BUGabundo1 | back | 02:14 |
| BUGabundo1 | stupid 3G dongle | 02:14 |
| wirechief | AK_Dave: yes i thought of that, perhaps when this gets released. | 02:14 |
| Barridus | i ran into issues with intrepid *stomps feet*, causing me to take that defensive stance with the distros | 02:14 |
| bjsnider | BUGabundo, having problems with your dongle? | 02:14 |
| AK_Dave | Barridus: I used to keep a wallet of CDs that I'd update regularly. Slackware, Supergrub, Knoppix, Puppy, Gparted Live, Mint, and an Ubuntu. Now I just keep an Ubuntu, a FreeDOS, and a Knoppix. | 02:15 |
| Barridus | i might take a crack at installing a persistent live usb | 02:15 |
| BUGabundo1 | it just got disconnected and wouldn't connect again | 02:15 |
| AK_Dave | And those all on sticks, not CDs. | 02:15 |
| BUGabundo1 | changed usbport, waited a bit, and I'm back in business | 02:15 |
| Barridus | AK_Dave, after toying with slax, i rather like the idea | 02:15 |
| Logi | has anything changed wrt dnsmasq to make info from a year ago invalid? | 02:15 |
| BUGabundo1 | AK_Dave: no Clonezilla? | 02:16 |
| tt5786 | thanks for the help guys | 02:16 |
| spaceBARbarian | i cant get pamusb-conf to detect my SD card, any ideas why ? | 02:16 |
| AK_Dave | BUG: Haven't tried it. Honestly, Knoppix has all the tools I'm likely to need. The FreeDOS stick is for BIOS upgrades. I just like having one of my sticks bootable with FreeDOS for that specific purpose. Otherwise it is a generic storage stick. | 02:17 |
| Barridus | yay, evolution exchange calendars works again! | 02:17 |
| * Barridus bows to the unknown savior(s) | 02:17 | |
| * AK_Dave observed a upgrade to evolution within the last hour or two. | 02:18 | |
| Barridus | nm.. it's still broke. just delayed breaking. | 02:18 |
| Logi | Barridus: at work we just switched to google apps and dropped all MS servers. I could still cry for joy. | 02:19 |
| Barridus | maybe i'll just reboot to a fresh session (still unsure when that is needed or not). brb | 02:19 |
| Barridus | i bet, Logi | 02:19 |
| AK_Dave | Every once in a while I need supergrub, but very rarely and the CD that I made of it is still good. Not current, but it'll do. | 02:19 |
| Barridus | my job is mostly attorneys, i doubt that could work for us. | 02:19 |
| Barridus | they like their iphones too much. | 02:20 |
| Barridus | (i'm not an atty, put the knife down) | 02:20 |
| Logi | Barridus: I'm pretty sure ophones could work with google mail and google calendar, actually | 02:20 |
| Barridus | the phones might | 02:20 |
| Barridus | but the technology is rarely the problem at my job :) | 02:20 |
| bjsnider | Logi, what are you trying to do, break microsoft's hold on the world? | 02:20 |
| Barridus | ok brb | 02:21 |
| Logi | Barridus: quite.... | 02:21 |
| Logi | bjsnider: no, just enjoying the ride while others do the breaking | 02:21 |
| AK_Dave | Logi: Between Active Directory and Exchange, its hard to get rid of Windows Server. | 02:21 |
| Barridus | "The Evolution calendars have quit unexpectedly." bugger. | 02:25 |
| Logi | AK_Dave: but once you dump those two... | 02:26 |
| AK_Dave | Logi: Don't hold your breath waiting for it. | 02:27 |
| OldGuest | hi | 02:29 |
| OldGuest | is there any specific issue with nvidia-settings not being loaded properly for new drv 1.8xx | 02:29 |
| bjsnider | no | 02:30 |
| OldGuest | secondly, why performance degreades if i try to overclock gpu | 02:30 |
| bjsnider | ask nvidia | 02:30 |
| OldGuest | hmm | 02:30 |
| spaceBARbarian | i cant get pamusb-conf to detect my SD card, any ideas why ? | 02:31 |
| AK_Dave | OldGuest: That'd be a cooling problem. You overclock, you overheat, you reduce performance. | 02:32 |
| Logi | AK_Dave: not holding my breath. We dumped that crap and I'm breathing free. | 02:32 |
| OldGuest | AK_Dave: ok thanks | 02:33 |
| AK_Dave | Logi: If you can do so, great. Not every business can. | 02:34 |
| Logi | not every business wants to | 02:34 |
| AK_Dave | Logi: True. | 02:34 |
| Logi | people keep using "can't" when they mean "can't be arsed to" or "I think something else is more important" | 02:34 |
| AK_Dave | Logi: Windows Server technicians are cheap and plentiful. | 02:35 |
| Raylz | AK_Dave: haha | 02:36 |
| bjsnider | and plentiful and cheap | 02:36 |
| OldGuest | how to find out which system wide configuration file is being loaded for x session | 02:39 |
| Barridus | can the new notification system (such as the pidgin messages) be disabled | 02:39 |
| OldGuest | or is being active | 02:39 |
| BUGabundo1 | Barridus: sure. just disable the pidgin plugin | 02:39 |
| OldGuest | i mean, is being used or executed or loaded first or ..... | 02:40 |
| Barridus | BUGabundo1, where is that done? i have yet to mess with the new notification system | 02:40 |
| BUGabundo1 | Barridus: pidgin->plugins->libnotify or somehing like that | 02:42 |
| Barridus | oh, duh. | 02:42 |
| * Barridus slaps forehead | 02:42 | |
| Barridus | i was looking "too hard" for it, BUGabundo1 | 02:43 |
| Barridus | now to remember what i was trying to fix 2 or 3 crash reports ago | 02:44 |
| spaceBARbarian | does anyone know if pamusb is supported in jaunty / | 02:45 |
| Neon_ | hey guys, I'm dual booting but everytime I access my windows partition i have to submit my root password. Anyone have a solution for this? | 02:57 |
| brad__ | any recommended streaming apps to send video/music to my xbox 360? I saw ushare/and twonky and tversity.. but was wondering if there was anything newer out there that people recommend? | 03:05 |
| un2him | anyone able to import pst files with the new evolution? | 03:08 |
| Tefad | NO. | 03:09 |
| bruce89 | pst being? | 03:09 |
| un2him | outlook data file | 03:09 |
| Castawayz | i love jaunty | 03:09 |
| Castawayz | the ubuntu six month new release thing does wonders for my ocd | 03:10 |
| un2him | yep, jaunty rocks | 03:10 |
| un2him | and i've had no probs with ext4 | 03:10 |
| Castawayz | a year from now we will be two weeks away from Lazy Lollipop | 03:11 |
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