| Milosz | What's Ipia? | 00:04 |
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| azeem | Milosz: why do you ask? | 00:05 |
| Milosz | azeem, adding packages to my PPA | 00:05 |
| azeem | do you mean LPIA? | 00:05 |
| Milosz | LPIA | 00:05 |
| Milosz | sorry I wasn't sure if it's an uppercase i or a lowercase L | 00:05 |
| Milosz | I would google it but there is no information about it | 00:06 |
| Milosz | anyway if this is not the right place to ask... | 00:06 |
| jdong | Low Power Intel Architecture | 00:06 |
| jdong | (i.e. Atom) | 00:06 |
| Milosz | thanks jdong | 00:06 |
| Milosz | ok it's Atom, I see | 00:06 |
| jdong | although Atom is more or less x86 compatible, an Atom-aware compiler can generate code that executes more efficiently on the Atom | 00:07 |
| Milosz | I know | 00:07 |
| jdong | primarily due to in-order vs out of order execution; as I understand | 00:07 |
| Milosz | I've only never heard the term LPIA before really | 00:07 |
| jdong | interestingly, the patches for that may or may not be in our GCC :) | 00:07 |
| Milosz | heh | 00:07 |
| Milosz | I'd think you can optimize a great deal for Atom's in-order execution | 00:08 |
| Milosz | I mean optimize the asm by knowing it's an Atom CPU it will run on | 00:08 |
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| jdong | I'd expect so, too | 00:09 |
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| geofft | #ubuntu-devel | 02:50 |
| geofft | I don't suppose anyone online is familiar with AppArmor? | 02:50 |
| geofft | specifically, how to deal with the possibility of /etc/krb5.conf being a symlink | 02:50 |
| ScottK | geofft: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingApparmor | 03:02 |
| geofft | ScottK: Hm, that doesn't help me a whole lot. I can just add the target of the symlink to the apparmor profile | 03:06 |
| geofft | but what I'm really trying to ask is, can I make AppArmor follow symlinks? | 03:06 |
| ScottK | OK. No idea about that. jdstrand would be the one to ask. | 03:06 |
| geofft | It looks like bug 132468 was kinda about this, and the profile just picked up the target of the symlink | 03:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 132468 in apparmor "Nameservice abstraction should also include /var/run/resolvconf/resolv.conf" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132468 | 03:07 |
| geofft | and so was 203898, and the program just stopped making symlinks. So maybe you can't do this? | 03:07 |
| dtchen | apparmor does not, no. | 03:08 |
| dtchen | it's one of the things i'm looking at for LTS | 03:08 |
| geofft | so there's no existing functionality for saying "it's safe to follow /etc/krb5.conf being a symlink" | 03:09 |
| geofft | any idea if upstream or ubuntu would be interested in a patch to add this support? | 03:09 |
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| kb9vqf | Any idea why a program would SIGSEGV with a fileno.c: No such file or directory. ? | 03:45 |
| kb9vqf | I can't find this fileno.c in any ubuntu packages; nearest I can tell it is part of the gnu c library | 03:45 |
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| geofft | is it reproducible, and if so, can you get a backtrace out of gdb or something? | 03:46 |
| kb9vqf | geofft: very, and that is the GDB output when the crash occurs | 03:47 |
| kb9vqf | geofft: well, actually, there are a couple more lines, see here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xscreensaver/+bug/357556/comments/5 | 03:47 |
| ubottu | Error: This bug is private | 03:47 |
| kb9vqf | Let's try that again.... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xscreensaver/+bug/357556/comments/5 | 03:47 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 357556 in xscreensaver "phosphor crashed with SIGSEGV in fileno_unlocked()" [Medium,New] | 03:48 |
| kb9vqf | Trying to get an actual backtrace now (sorry, haven't used GDB before, still learning :-) ) | 03:50 |
| geofft | type "bt" | 03:53 |
| geofft | (or "backtrace") | 03:53 |
| geofft | I believe libc6-dbg will get you the debugging symbols to make GDB happy? Dunno if they'd help much | 03:54 |
| kb9vqf | geofft: OK, just waiting for it to crash again. It usually crashes between 5 and 45 minutes after starting | 03:54 |
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| kb9vqf | geofft: Not sure if you're still there, but it finally crashed again on two machines, and I uploaded the backtraces here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xscreensaver/+bug/357556/comments/7 | 05:46 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 357556 in xscreensaver "phosphor crashed with SIGSEGV in fileno_unlocked()" [Medium,New] | 05:46 |
| kb9vqf | geofft: It's not much more information to go on, unfortunately | 05:46 |
| kb9vqf | geofft: The funny thing is GDB claimed it found all the needed debugging symbols when I attached to the running phosphor process, but there are still unresolved functions | 05:47 |
| geofft | kb9vqf: The unresolved ones look like invalid addresses. From that backtrace, I can't tell anything... | 06:01 |
| kb9vqf | geofft: me either :/ | 06:02 |
| kb9vqf | geofft: there are only four instances of fileno() in the program | 06:03 |
| kb9vqf | geofft: I am wondering if the problem is more severe, and possibly lurking somewhere in glibc or the X server, as phosphor is not the only screensaver to crash after a certain amount of time | 06:04 |
| kb9vqf | geofft: I have had almost all of the opengl xsavers I have tried crash in this manner (dunno yet if all are crashing on fileno_unlocked or not) | 06:05 |
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| jpds | Latest upload of adobe-flashplugin to partner breaks flash everywhere. | 12:28 |
| jpds | (in jaunty). | 12:28 |
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| cjwatson | kwwii_: any luck on the ubiquity changes? | 16:42 |
| * maxb blinks at the ftbfs report and wonders why linux-ports and linux-ports-meta tried to build on amd64 | 16:47 | |
| cjwatson | maxb: they aren't in P-a-s | 16:49 |
| cjwatson | therefore they try to build and immediately fail | 16:49 |
| maxb | worth adding, now there is an Ubuntu-specific P-a-s ? | 16:51 |
| cjwatson | although we have the capability now, I'd explicitly prefer to keep them in sync (and so would the Debian maintainer) | 16:51 |
| cjwatson | you could file a bug on buildd.debian.org asking for Ubuntu-specific entries, since there's no linux-ports package in Debian | 16:51 |
| maxb | right | 16:51 |
| cjwatson | err, on bugs.debian.org, but with "Package: buildd.debian.org", I mean | 16:52 |
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| * calc is getting tornadoes for easter :\ | 17:36 | |
| hyperair | tornadoes? | 17:36 |
| hyperair | as in those swirly windy things? | 17:36 |
| calc | yea tornado watch for my area all day i think | 17:37 |
| calc | really bad thunderstorms, etc | 17:37 |
| hyperair | ouch | 17:37 |
| hyperair | =( | 17:37 |
| calc | 60mph wind, ~ 2cm hail, etc | 17:38 |
| hyperair | sounds very bad | 17:38 |
| calc | its luckily not hailing here at least at the moment, but the wind sounds pretty high | 17:39 |
| calc | the hail was spotted around 10km away i think | 17:39 |
| calc | but the storm is moving this way, heh | 17:40 |
| kees | slangasek: so, what's the policy for packages that have ftbfs since Nov? do we leave them that way since fixing them would essentially break feature freeze? | 17:52 |
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| IntuitiveNipple | I've updated the orbit2 package to create a -dbg symbol package. Currently it has always been a direct sync from Debian with no Ubuntu changes. I've added an Ubuntu version suffix but I'm not sure where/what to set the debian/control Maintainer to since it currently points to the Debian maintainer. Do we have a team that it should be set to? | 19:04 |
| cjwatson | IntuitiveNipple: why does it need a -dbg package, as opposed to the -dbgsym package on ddebs.ubuntu.com? Does it need a separate build pass with different compiler options? | 19:06 |
| cjwatson | IntuitiveNipple: the general answer to your question is that running 'update-maintainer' from ubuntu-dev-tools will sort it out for you, but ... | 19:06 |
| IntuitiveNipple | Hmmm... we have two debug symbol systems? | 19:06 |
| cjwatson | -dbg is for (a) packages that already had it in Debian, where it isn't worth diverging to remove it (b) cases where it needs a separate build pass | 19:07 |
| cjwatson | -dbgsym handles cases where the debug symbols can be extracted entirely automatically | 19:07 |
| IntuitiveNipple | Oh! that explains alot! I am debugging a complex AT-SPI > java > eclipse issue and almost all other packages had -dbg packages so I *assumed* in view of bug #29294 that it was 'missing' | 19:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 29294 in orbit2 "please provide a liborbit2-dbg debug package" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29294 | 19:08 |
| IntuitiveNipple | This is what happens when constantly testing new installs... this one didn't have the ddebs repo added to apt sources ! | 19:09 |
| cjwatson | it's possible that 29294 predates ddebs | 19:11 |
| cjwatson | or at least predates them being widely known and used | 19:11 |
| cjwatson | I'll close that bug with an explanation | 19:11 |
| IntuitiveNipple | Yes, although alter comments fooled me too... from late last year. I'll update with a comment to where they are :D | 19:12 |
| IntuitiveNipple | i'm already doing it... you want me to stop? | 19:12 |
| cjwatson | I'm happy to do it since I have authoritative and helpful links to hand | 19:12 |
| IntuitiveNipple | Thanks | 19:12 |
| IntuitiveNipple | I was referring to pitti's email of Novmeber 2007 on devel-discuss announcing it | 19:12 |
| cjwatson | there's a wiki page with up-to-date information and help | 19:13 |
| IntuitiveNipple | Good... Google didn't find that for me so far | 19:13 |
| cjwatson | DebuggingProgramCrash | 19:13 |
| IntuitiveNipple | I looked at all the other Debug* pages except that one earlier! | 19:14 |
| IntuitiveNipple | could have saved myself 1/2 hour | 19:14 |
| cjwatson | bug updated | 19:14 |
| IntuitiveNipple | I only got onto that because I've finalyl pinned down why the Gnome at-spi/gail/atk-bridge causes problems for eclipse (got a decent backtrace from one of the threads) and wanted to see if there was more debug info for gdb... turns out there isn't after all :s | 19:15 |
| lfaraone | Hi, it seems that bug 235105 isn't properly fixed for me; I'm running stock jaunty and my harddisk spins down on *AC* as well as on batt often. (a about once every 5 minutes or so) Should I comment on the bug? | 19:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 235105 in pm-utils "scripts in /etc/pm/power.d should be called after resuming/ thawing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/235105 | 19:19 |
| lfaraone | * bug 59695 | 19:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 59695 in pm-utils "High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59695 | 19:19 |
| BUGabundo | guud eater afternoon | 19:31 |
| BUGabundo | is pitti back? | 19:31 |
| BUGabundo | is it known that apport / ubuntu-bug won't work with proxy? | 19:31 |
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| lfaraone | BUGabundo: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.5/+bug/94130 | 19:40 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 94130 in apport "HTTPS over proxy fails" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 19:40 |
| BUGabundo | lfaraone: thanks | 19:42 |
| slangasek | kees: eh, we generally want them fixed, since otherwise they're hardly security-supportable... which package are you looking at? | 20:40 |
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| kb9vqf | I'm having some major problems with my Jaunty KDE3.5 torrent tracker...which tracker does Ubuntu use? | 21:51 |
| kb9vqf | Ah, never mind, found it on the main tracker page. BitTornado. | 21:53 |
| * kb9vqf feels kinda stupid | 21:53 | |
| kees | slangasek: linux86. i can upload the fix shortly. | 22:11 |
| kwwii_ | cjwatson: almost done, I had the family at my house this afternoon/evening...I plan on finishing things up tomorrow, is that ok? | 22:23 |
| kwwii_ | cjwatson: I still haven't recieved a green light from mark, but I am doing all this hoping that it will come...I know he wants a change and everyone has responded well to the new version | 22:25 |
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| cjwatson | kwwii_: I'll be away all day tomorrow, unfortunately, so I hope Evan is around ... | 22:35 |
| ash3 | #ubuntu-wisconsin | 22:38 |
| kwwii_ | cjwatson: I've snet him an email. I'll just have to see how this plays out. Mark might request changes anyway | 22:42 |
| ion_ | What changes are you talking about, btw? | 22:43 |
| kwwii_ | ion_: are you talking to me? (with my best DeNiro accent) | 22:44 |
| ion_ | kwwii: Well, you’re the only one here. | 22:45 |
| kwwii_ | ion_: http://sinecera.de/time_zones.png | 22:45 |
| kwwii_ | and soon I am gone as well :p | 22:46 |
| ion_ | Neat | 22:46 |
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| ni| | hello, how do i get a package in the "partner/web" category in the ubuntu repositories | 23:05 |
| ni| | i'm a programmer for a IM archival company in massachusetts | 23:05 |
| ni| | and I've crafted a debian file for each system {hardy,intrepid,jaunty} | 23:06 |
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| Chipzz | ni|: I don't think that's the point of the partner repo | 23:37 |
| Chipzz | I think the most logical thing for you to do would be to set up your own repo | 23:40 |
| Chipzz | for further assistance, use #ubuntu-motu though | 23:40 |
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| ni| | Chipzz: thanks | 23:46 |
| cjwatson | kwwii_: I think I'm going to have to go ahead and upload ubiquity; we need to get the other changes tested in a definite timeframe | 23:48 |
| cjwatson | kwwii_: we'll just have to consider the map changes separately | 23:49 |
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