[00:04] <Milosz> What's Ipia?
[00:05] <azeem> Milosz: why do you ask?
[00:05] <Milosz> azeem, adding packages to my PPA
[00:05] <azeem> do you mean LPIA?
[00:05] <Milosz> LPIA
[00:05] <Milosz> sorry I wasn't sure if it's an uppercase i or a lowercase L
[00:06] <Milosz> I would google it but there is no information about it
[00:06] <Milosz> anyway if this is not the right place to ask...
[00:06] <jdong> Low Power Intel Architecture
[00:06] <jdong> (i.e. Atom)
[00:06] <Milosz> thanks jdong
[00:06] <Milosz> ok it's Atom, I see
[00:07] <jdong> although Atom is more or less x86 compatible, an Atom-aware compiler can generate code that executes more efficiently on the Atom
[00:07] <Milosz> I know
[00:07] <jdong> primarily due to in-order vs out of order execution; as I understand
[00:07] <Milosz> I've only never heard the term LPIA before really
[00:07] <jdong> interestingly, the patches for that may or may not be in our GCC :)
[00:07] <Milosz> heh
[00:08] <Milosz> I'd think you can optimize a great deal for Atom's in-order execution
[00:08] <Milosz> I mean optimize the asm by knowing it's an Atom CPU it will run on
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[00:09] <jdong> I'd expect so, too
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[02:50] <geofft> #ubuntu-devel
[02:50] <geofft> I don't suppose anyone online is familiar with AppArmor?
[02:50] <geofft> specifically, how to deal with the possibility of /etc/krb5.conf being a symlink
[03:02] <ScottK> geofft: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingApparmor
[03:06] <geofft> ScottK: Hm, that doesn't help me a whole lot. I can just add the target of the symlink to the apparmor profile
[03:06] <geofft> but what I'm really trying to ask is, can I make AppArmor follow symlinks?
[03:06] <ScottK> OK.  No idea about that.  jdstrand would be the one to ask.
[03:07] <geofft> It looks like bug 132468 was kinda about this, and the profile just picked up the target of the symlink
[03:07] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 132468 in apparmor "Nameservice abstraction should also include /var/run/resolvconf/resolv.conf" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132468
[03:07] <geofft> and so was 203898, and the program just stopped making symlinks. So maybe you can't do this?
[03:08] <dtchen> apparmor does not, no.
[03:08] <dtchen> it's one of the things i'm looking at for LTS
[03:09] <geofft> so there's no existing functionality for saying "it's safe to follow /etc/krb5.conf being a symlink"
[03:09] <geofft> any idea if upstream or ubuntu would be interested in a patch to add this support?
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[03:45] <kb9vqf> Any idea why a program would SIGSEGV with a fileno.c: No such file or directory.  ?
[03:45] <kb9vqf> I can't find this fileno.c in any ubuntu packages; nearest I can tell it is part of the gnu c library
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[03:46] <geofft> is it reproducible, and if so, can you get a backtrace out of gdb or something?
[03:47] <kb9vqf> geofft: very, and that is the GDB output when the crash occurs
[03:47] <kb9vqf> geofft: well, actually, there are a couple more lines, see here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xscreensaver/+bug/357556/comments/5
[03:47] <ubottu> Error: This bug is private
[03:47] <kb9vqf> Let's try that again.... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xscreensaver/+bug/357556/comments/5
[03:48] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 357556 in xscreensaver "phosphor crashed with SIGSEGV in fileno_unlocked()" [Medium,New]
[03:50] <kb9vqf> Trying to get an actual backtrace now (sorry, haven't used GDB before, still learning :-) )
[03:53] <geofft> type "bt"
[03:53] <geofft> (or "backtrace")
[03:54] <geofft> I believe libc6-dbg will get you the debugging symbols to make GDB happy? Dunno if they'd help much
[03:54] <kb9vqf> geofft: OK, just waiting for it to crash again.  It usually crashes between 5 and 45 minutes after starting
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[05:46] <kb9vqf> geofft: Not sure if you're still there, but it finally crashed again on two machines, and I uploaded the backtraces here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xscreensaver/+bug/357556/comments/7
[05:46] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 357556 in xscreensaver "phosphor crashed with SIGSEGV in fileno_unlocked()" [Medium,New]
[05:46] <kb9vqf> geofft: It's not much more information to go on, unfortunately
[05:47] <kb9vqf> geofft: The funny thing is GDB claimed it found all the needed debugging symbols when I attached to the running phosphor process, but there are still unresolved functions
[06:01] <geofft> kb9vqf: The unresolved ones look like invalid addresses. From that backtrace, I can't tell anything...
[06:02] <kb9vqf> geofft: me either :/
[06:03] <kb9vqf> geofft: there are only four instances of fileno() in the program
[06:04] <kb9vqf> geofft: I am wondering if the problem is more severe, and possibly lurking somewhere in glibc or the X server, as phosphor is not the only screensaver to crash after a certain amount of time
[06:05] <kb9vqf> geofft: I have had almost all of the opengl xsavers I have tried crash in this manner (dunno yet if all are crashing on fileno_unlocked or not)
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[12:28] <jpds> Latest upload of adobe-flashplugin to partner breaks flash everywhere.
[12:28] <jpds> (in jaunty).
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[16:42] <cjwatson> kwwii_: any luck on the ubiquity changes?
[16:47]  * maxb blinks at the ftbfs report and wonders why linux-ports and linux-ports-meta tried to build on amd64
[16:49] <cjwatson> maxb: they aren't in P-a-s
[16:49] <cjwatson> therefore they try to build and immediately fail
[16:51] <maxb> worth adding, now there is an Ubuntu-specific P-a-s ?
[16:51] <cjwatson> although we have the capability now, I'd explicitly prefer to keep them in sync (and so would the Debian maintainer)
[16:51] <cjwatson> you could file a bug on buildd.debian.org asking for Ubuntu-specific entries, since there's no linux-ports package in Debian
[16:51] <maxb> right
[16:52] <cjwatson> err, on bugs.debian.org, but with "Package: buildd.debian.org", I mean
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[17:36]  * calc is getting tornadoes for easter :\
[17:36] <hyperair> tornadoes?
[17:36] <hyperair> as in those swirly windy things?
[17:37] <calc> yea tornado watch for my area all day i think
[17:37] <calc> really bad thunderstorms, etc
[17:37] <hyperair> ouch
[17:37] <hyperair> =(
[17:38] <calc> 60mph wind, ~ 2cm hail, etc
[17:38] <hyperair> sounds very bad
[17:39] <calc> its luckily not hailing here at least at the moment, but the wind sounds pretty high
[17:39] <calc> the hail was spotted around 10km away i think
[17:40] <calc> but the storm is moving this way, heh
[17:52] <kees> slangasek: so, what's the policy for packages that have ftbfs since Nov?  do we leave them that way since fixing them would essentially break feature freeze?
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[19:04] <IntuitiveNipple> I've updated the orbit2 package to create a -dbg symbol package. Currently it has always been a direct sync from Debian with no Ubuntu changes. I've added an Ubuntu version suffix but I'm not sure where/what to set the debian/control Maintainer to since it currently points to the Debian maintainer. Do we have a team that it should be set to?
[19:06] <cjwatson> IntuitiveNipple: why does it need a -dbg package, as opposed to the -dbgsym package on ddebs.ubuntu.com? Does it need a separate build pass with different compiler options?
[19:06] <cjwatson> IntuitiveNipple: the general answer to your question is that running 'update-maintainer' from ubuntu-dev-tools will sort it out for you, but ...
[19:06] <IntuitiveNipple> Hmmm... we have two debug symbol systems?
[19:07] <cjwatson> -dbg is for (a) packages that already had it in Debian, where it isn't worth diverging to remove it (b) cases where it needs a separate build pass
[19:07] <cjwatson> -dbgsym handles cases where the debug symbols can be extracted entirely automatically
[19:08] <IntuitiveNipple> Oh! that explains alot! I am debugging a complex AT-SPI > java > eclipse issue and almost all other packages had -dbg packages so I *assumed* in view of bug #29294 that it was 'missing'
[19:08] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 29294 in orbit2 "please provide a liborbit2-dbg debug package" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29294
[19:09] <IntuitiveNipple> This is what happens when constantly testing new installs... this one didn't have the ddebs repo added to apt sources !
[19:11] <cjwatson> it's possible that 29294 predates ddebs
[19:11] <cjwatson> or at least predates them being widely known and used
[19:11] <cjwatson> I'll close that bug with an explanation
[19:12] <IntuitiveNipple> Yes, although alter comments fooled me too... from late last year. I'll update with a comment to where they are :D
[19:12] <IntuitiveNipple> i'm already doing it... you want me to stop?
[19:12] <cjwatson> I'm happy to do it since I have authoritative and helpful links to hand
[19:12] <IntuitiveNipple> Thanks
[19:12] <IntuitiveNipple> I was referring to pitti's email of Novmeber 2007 on devel-discuss announcing it
[19:13] <cjwatson> there's a wiki page with up-to-date information and help
[19:13] <IntuitiveNipple> Good... Google didn't find that for me so far
[19:13] <cjwatson> DebuggingProgramCrash
[19:14] <IntuitiveNipple> I looked at all the other Debug* pages except that one earlier!
[19:14] <IntuitiveNipple> could have saved myself 1/2 hour
[19:14] <cjwatson> bug updated
[19:15] <IntuitiveNipple> I only got onto that because I've finalyl pinned down why the Gnome at-spi/gail/atk-bridge causes problems for eclipse (got a decent backtrace from one of the threads) and wanted to see if there was more debug info for gdb... turns out there isn't after all :s
[19:19] <lfaraone> Hi, it seems that bug 235105 isn't properly fixed for me; I'm running stock jaunty and my harddisk spins down on *AC* as well as on batt often. (a about once every 5 minutes or so) Should I comment on the bug?
[19:19] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 235105 in pm-utils "scripts in /etc/pm/power.d should be called after resuming/ thawing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/235105
[19:19] <lfaraone> * bug 59695
[19:19] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 59695 in pm-utils "High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59695
[19:31] <BUGabundo> guud eater afternoon
[19:31] <BUGabundo> is pitti back?
[19:31] <BUGabundo> is it known that apport / ubuntu-bug won't work with proxy?
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[19:40] <lfaraone> BUGabundo: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.5/+bug/94130
[19:40] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 94130 in apport "HTTPS over proxy fails" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[19:42] <BUGabundo> lfaraone: thanks
[20:40] <slangasek> kees: eh, we generally want them fixed, since otherwise they're hardly security-supportable... which package are you looking at?
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[21:51] <kb9vqf> I'm having some major problems with my Jaunty KDE3.5 torrent tracker...which tracker does Ubuntu use?
[21:53] <kb9vqf> Ah, never mind, found it on the main tracker page.  BitTornado.
[21:53]  * kb9vqf feels kinda stupid
[22:11] <kees> slangasek: linux86. i can upload the fix shortly.
[22:23] <kwwii_> cjwatson: almost done, I had the family at my house this afternoon/evening...I plan on finishing things up tomorrow, is that ok?
[22:25] <kwwii_> cjwatson: I still haven't recieved a green light from mark, but I am doing all this hoping that it will come...I know he wants a change and everyone has responded well to the new version
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[22:35] <cjwatson> kwwii_: I'll be away all day tomorrow, unfortunately, so I hope Evan is around ...
[22:38] <ash3> #ubuntu-wisconsin
[22:42] <kwwii_> cjwatson: I've snet him an email. I'll just have to see how this plays out. Mark might request changes anyway
[22:43] <ion_> What changes are you talking about, btw?
[22:44] <kwwii_> ion_: are you talking to me? (with my best DeNiro accent)
[22:45] <ion_> kwwii: Well, you’re the only one here.
[22:45] <kwwii_> ion_: http://sinecera.de/time_zones.png
[22:46] <kwwii_> and soon I am gone as well :p
[22:46] <ion_> Neat
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[23:05] <ni|> hello, how do i get a package in the "partner/web" category in the ubuntu repositories
[23:05] <ni|> i'm a programmer for a IM archival company in massachusetts
[23:06] <ni|> and I've crafted a debian file for each system {hardy,intrepid,jaunty}
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[23:37] <Chipzz> ni|: I don't think that's the point of the partner repo
[23:40] <Chipzz> I think the most logical thing for you to do would be to set up your own repo
[23:40] <Chipzz> for further assistance, use #ubuntu-motu though
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[23:46] <ni|> Chipzz: thanks
[23:48] <cjwatson> kwwii_: I think I'm going to have to go ahead and upload ubiquity; we need to get the other changes tested in a definite timeframe
[23:49] <cjwatson> kwwii_: we'll just have to consider the map changes separately