[00:05] <superm1> in theory
[00:42] <squidly> if the mythbuntu website down?
[00:42] <superm1> yeah it is
[00:42] <superm1> are you looking to get the beta?
[00:43] <squidly> actually I was having issues wiht the cd i downloaded
[00:43] <squidly> and I wanted to check and make sure I got the right one
[00:43] <squidly> or would it be possible to install from a xubuntu install disk?
[00:43] <superm1> did you get an 8.10 or 9.04 disk?
[00:43] <squidly> 8.10
[00:43] <superm1> ah
[00:43] <squidly> the disk keeps givin errors
[00:43] <superm1> well you can grab it again from one of the mirrors that is still up (cdimages.mythbuntu.org)
[00:45] <squidly> what is the diff between desktop and desktop-proper?
[00:46] <superm1> desktop was probably a bad upload
[00:46] <superm1> desktop-proper is the proper
[00:46] <squidly> that is what I thought
[00:46] <squidly> thanks :D
[00:48] <squidly> i dled the alt-install before. propbibaly a bad idea
[00:49] <superm1> alt doesnt work well
[00:49] <superm1> we're only supporting desktop for 9.04
[00:50] <squidly> I guessed as much
[00:51] <squidly> does desktop support autologin for a frontend?
[00:51] <superm1> ya
[00:51] <squidly> rock on
[00:51] <squidly> that is what I need :D
[00:53] <tazsta> howdy all ive installed the 9.04 beta and everything im using it for works great, except the live tv is a bit slow eg. low framerate. sound is fine. its a nvidia geforce 7300 LE card. any ideas?
[00:53] <superm1> tazsta, are you on the closed source drivers?
[00:54] <superm1> i'd guess so as the open source are likely causing segfaults due to a mesa bug for a lot f people
[00:55] <tazsta> when i was doing the setup i used the nvidia drivers with s-video output
[00:58] <superm1> okay, and it's working correctly for that right?
[00:59] <superm1> if so, then you see if the problem is only happening with live tv?  see if recorded tv shows do it too
[01:09] <squidly> superm1: thanks that is working a lot better
[01:10] <superm1> squidly, cool
[01:11] <pist0l-fish> are the ISOs at http://cdimages.mythbuntu.org/ liveCDs?
[01:12] <superm1> pist0l-fish,some of them are
[01:12] <superm1> anything that is "desktop" is a live disk
[01:12] <squidly> pist0l-fish: the desktop-proper can be, depending if you say it as a live cd
[01:12] <pist0l-fish> superm1: I installed mythbuntu via wubi and now I have an "install mythbuntu" icon on my desktop :)
[01:12] <superm1> pist0l-fish, you installed a wubi 9.04?
[01:13] <superm1> i've been wondering if that's working yet....
[01:13] <superm1> been meaning to test it
[01:13] <pist0l-fish> no, I got 8.10 after realizing that wubi 9.04 was being worked on
[01:13] <pist0l-fish> so the ones marked "proper" are live cds?
[01:13] <superm1> yeah
[01:13] <superm1> that's surprising that 8.10 wubi didn't work. it should have been working
[01:14] <superm1> but if you want to test 9.04 wubi, that'd be awesome....
[01:14] <pist0l-fish> I couldn't find a 9.04 release on sourceforge, I imagine they have it on their svn/git or something?
[01:15] <superm1> oh..
[01:16] <superm1> it comes on the ISO's for 9.04
[01:16] <pist0l-fish> superm1: can't seem to find it
[01:16] <superm1> or there should be a wubi.exe on cdimages.ubuntu.com i think
[01:16] <pist0l-fish> can't seem to find one
[01:16] <superm1> http://people.ubuntu.com/~evand/wubi/jaunty/wubi-r120.exe
[01:16] <superm1> i'm not sure if the ISO grabbing even works
[01:17] <superm1> it'd be lovely if it did
[01:17] <superm1> but if not, you can put the 9.04 iso in the same directory as wubi.exe and it should be able to use it
[01:17] <pist0l-fish> ISO grabbing? as in wubi's fetching feature?
[01:17] <superm1> yeah
[01:17] <pist0l-fish> I don't think it would anyways because the mythbuntu server is down
[01:17] <pist0l-fish> are you on the dev team?
[01:17] <superm1> yeah
[01:17] <pist0l-fish> thought so
[01:18] <superm1> well it would grab the iso from cdimages.ubuntu.com actually
[01:18] <superm1> so it's okay if the mythbuntu.org server is down
[01:18] <pist0l-fish> this is the release I am testing: http://cdimages.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu-9.04-beta-desktop-i386.iso
[01:18] <pist0l-fish> all good?
[01:18] <superm1> it'd be better if you can grab a daily tbh
[01:18] <superm1> from cdimages.ubuntu.com/mythbuntu
[01:19] <superm1> so much has changed since beta :)
[01:19] <pist0l-fish> superm1: I wonder how I got that live cd >_<
[01:20] <pist0l-fish> it's not even remotely proximal to the directory with the daily
[01:39] <tazsta> superm1: sorry for the delay, yes recorded programs playback fine
[01:40] <superm1> tazsta, then i would turn down the program guide overlay settings
[01:40] <superm1> it's probably too CPU intensive
[01:41] <tazsta> superm1: ok, where would i find those settings?
[01:45] <tazsta> superm1: found it, just trying it now ;)
[01:51] <pist0l-fish> superm1: do I have to give the ISO a certain name? or does wubi just inspect all *.iso files in the directory?
[01:54] <pist0l-fish> superm1: lol, hardcore fail, wubi. I put it in the same directory, and it started downloading an AMD ISO off the internet for my Intel Centrino Duo. That's bug #1
[01:54] <pist0l-fish> I'm going to disconnect, see what happens
[01:54] <Zinn> Bug 1 in clubdistro "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical, Confirmed] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/1
[02:01] <pist0l-fish> superm1: got to step 6; the next/previous buttons remained inactive regardless of what was selected
[02:10] <superm1> pist0l-fish, what's step 6?
[02:11] <superm1> is that the partitioning step?
[02:12] <superm1> er no step 6 is install type isn't it
[02:13] <superm1> how did you get into the install that it was hung?  was that with wubi?
[02:16] <pist0l-fish> not sure what you're asking
[02:16] <Tazsta> superm1: fixed the problem, had to set my screen res down abit and also set the cpu settings in playback to normal instead of CPU++
[02:16] <superm1> Tazsta, awesome :)
[02:16] <superm1> pist0l-fish, how did you start the installer?
[02:16] <Tazsta> superm1: thanks heaps for ur help
[02:16] <pist0l-fish> i installed the ISO using wubi, booted Mythbuntu 9.04 and Mythbuntu began the install procedure
[02:17] <superm1> ah using wubi..
[02:17] <superm1> so it's possible the wubi preseed was broken
[02:17] <superm1> give me a sec
[02:17] <superm1> in the meanwhile, can you reboot into windows again?
[02:17] <superm1> i might be able to give you a fixed file right now
[02:18] <pist0l-fish> I'm on windiz right now
[02:18] <superm1> okay cool, can you see if C:\wubi has a preseed file?
[02:19] <pist0l-fish> I uninstalled it thinking that I would be doing this again >_<. Regardless of which, I don't think a C:\wubi was created, C:\ubuntu and C:\ubuntu-backup were. I may be wrong about that though
[02:19] <superm1> yeah that's probably what i meant
[02:19] <superm1> in there you should find something that's got preseed in the file name
[02:19] <pist0l-fish> yeah... about 'in there'
[02:19] <superm1> if you remove "ubiquity mythbuntu/install_type string Frontend", from there i believe it should let you proceed
[02:20] <pist0l-fish> it's kind of gone, 'in there'
[02:20] <pist0l-fish> i imagine the hard drive's still got it on there somewhere, but the inodes are definitely gone.
[02:20] <superm1> well can you run it once more then and before the reboot make that change?
[02:20] <pist0l-fish> haha, sure, I guess
[02:22] <pist0l-fish> superm1: will you still be here in half an hour?
[02:22] <superm1> yeah i should
[02:25] <superm1> hm interesting, when i tried to emulate that preseed (as best as possible w/o a true wubi), i made it to step 7, but i was able to go forward
[02:31] <pist0l-fish> superm1: should I try again without changing the preseed for testing purposes
[02:31] <superm1> pist0l-fish, na, if you know its gonna fail, there isn't much reason to
[02:32] <pist0l-fish> kk
[02:32] <superm1> just comment that line out (put a hash in front)
[02:34] <pist0l-fish> how big is the mythbuntu team?
[02:34] <superm1> it fluctuates, there's usually about 4-6 of us active at any given time
[02:35] <superm1> but several people that come around and help with docs or artwork or bugs here and there
[02:35] <pist0l-fish> are you lead?
[02:35] <superm1> yup
[02:36] <superm1> and i've done all the installer development, so i'm quite familiar with a lot of the installation code that we've added to ubiquity
[02:36] <yellowking> Thanks for the effort, superm1
[02:36] <superm1> np yellowking, it's still fun :)
[02:36] <squidly> how can I tell the difference between an VDF and an IR Display?
[02:36] <squidly> i mean lcd display?
[02:37] <tritium> squidly: Antec Fusion case?
[02:37] <squidly> tritium: yea
[02:37] <squidly> black
[02:37] <tritium> lspci is the best method
[02:37] <squidly> tritium: what am I looking for in lspci
[02:38] <tritium> sorry, lsusb
[02:38] <squidly> Bus 001 Device 005: ID 15c2:0038 SoundGraph Inc.
[02:38] <tritium> http://mythtvblog.blogspot.com/2008/04/getting-imon-0038-lcd-working-with-lirc.html
[02:39] <squidly> ty
[02:39] <squidly> i had the link before..
[02:39] <squidly> daugher closed out firefox for me :(
[02:39] <tritium> Note that there are two types of displays: VFD and LCD.  I believe they both have IR receivers.
[02:40] <squidly> yea they both have ir
[02:40] <squidly> how can I tell if I have a VFD or a LCD?
[02:40] <tritium> squidly: just pointing it out, given your original question
[02:41] <tritium> You have an LCD, based on the ID.
[02:41] <squidly> tritium: ok thanks
[02:41] <tritium> No problem.
[02:41]  * squidly is getting my frist MCPC setup
[02:41] <squidly> finally got the go from my fiancee to build one (actually I just go it and said I'm doing it)
[02:49] <superm1> pist0l-fish, oh you know what!, i think i know what the problem is
[02:50] <superm1> wubi isn't grabbing the preseed for mythbuntu
[02:50] <superm1> its using the ubuntu preseed
[02:50] <squidly> tritium: the links to ronfrazier.net doent work on the page :(
[02:50] <pist0l-fish> superm1: glad you got it
[02:50] <superm1> pist0l-fish, http://pastebin.com/f626f9aca replace it with that, and put your user name and password that you want into that
[02:50] <pist0l-fish> superm1: who is in charge of wubi though?
[02:51] <superm1> ago (aka xivulon)
[02:51] <superm1> i'll look through his code and see if it's obvious how to fix, but i'm not sure it will be
[02:52] <pist0l-fish> superm1: I am assuming I would replace $(username) with pist0l-fish, correct?
[02:53] <superm1> pist0l-fish, with whatever you want your mythbuntu login name to be
[02:53] <pist0l-fish> superm1: okay, just confused about the syntax. is $(...) a variable?
[02:54] <pist0l-fish> preseeds are bash-esque?
[02:54] <superm1> in some ways
[02:55] <pist0l-fish> i should look into this, I do not know as much as I would like to about *nixes
[02:55] <superm1> well the code behind all this is stacked and gets more and more advanced
[02:55] <superm1> so i might recommend starting in some easier areas :)
[03:00] <pist0l-fish> superm1: any specific suggestions?
[03:00] <superm1> pist0l-fish, well what's your background?  it's best to start looking at stuff pertinent to your background or interests
[03:02] <superm1> pist0l-fish, i just realized there is another section you need to grab from the existing preseed
[03:02] <superm1> you need to fill in the $(partitioning) part with the stuff that was in the partitioning section in the old one
[03:02] <pist0l-fish> superm1: been coding for 8 years, studying computing science. Know a variety of stuff, just never worked on a nix at a low-level, it so happens to be
[03:03] <superm1> i've filed bug 359834 for ago to get the right preseed picked in the future
[03:03] <Zinn> Bug 359834 in wubi "Wubi r120 does not use mythbuntu.preseed on mythbuntu installs" [Undecided, New] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/359834
[03:03] <superm1> pist0l-fish, okay so you might be able to help get your hands dirty with bugs then
[03:05] <superm1> what's your favorite lang to work with?
[03:05] <pist0l-fish> superm1: i like C(++)
[03:05] <pist0l-fish> I guess if I had to pick, C++
[03:05] <superm1> pist0l-fish, cool.  so maybe helping out with little mythtv annoyances and bugs would be a great area that needs some loving
[03:05] <superm1> we have been trying to write all the nice addons and what not for mythbuntu in python
[03:05] <superm1> that's been my lang of choice to work with since starting the project
[03:05] <superm1> so the installer, mcc, the log grabber, the lirc parser, the autostart application - all python
[03:06] <pist0l-fish> superm1: i knew python at one point. I would just have to refamiliarize myself with the syntax
[03:07] <pist0l-fish> superm1: but I would be down to lend a hand, I have 2 weeks of summer coming up that I will be spending working on a personal project and lazing around
[03:07] <superm1> yeah it's a really easy language to pick up.  i know C, but i love how easy development is in python.  the lack of compiling makes it so much easier to work with
[03:07] <superm1> cool :)
[03:08] <pist0l-fish> ...and parsing makes it kinda slow too. But this is coming from someone whose main desktop (i am putting mythtv on the family computer at the moment) is archaic
[03:09] <superm1> yeah i think on most modern boxes, the tradeoff is negligible for what we do with it
[03:10] <pist0l-fish> where was in the C:\ubuntu directory?
 in my wubi simulation environment i'm still seeing problems after fixing the preseed, so you know i'd say this likely still wont work