| verb3k | There is a bug in Jaunty with unclear title, can someome help find a better one? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/359818 | 00:51 |
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| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 359818 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[i945] Unusable with Intel 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML [8086:27a2] (rev 03)" [High,Confirmed] | 00:51 |
| wnorrix | i keep getting a connection refused on ppa.launchpad.net when i try to upload my package | 00:54 |
| dtchen | 220 0.0.0.0 Canonical FTP server ready. | 00:54 |
| dtchen | seems fine from my route | 00:54 |
| NCommander | DO we have hardening wrapper installed by default on any architecture, or have all of its changes been merged into GCC spec files? | 01:20 |
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| pwnguin | luisbg | 01:40 |
| pwnguin | doh | 01:40 |
| kees | slangasek: do you want me to upload the fix for linux86 (bug 360096)? | 03:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 360096 in linux86 "FTBFS (fortify failure during compile)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/360096 | 03:02 |
| slangasek | kees: yes, please | 03:45 |
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| poseidon | I found what I think might be a bug (could be handy in some situations). When I have a browser open and it's playing music my music player (banshee, rythmbox etc) doesn't work. I've tested this with opera, firefox, banshee, amarok, and rythmbox. So I think that the problem is independent of the applications. | 04:56 |
| pwnguin | this is almost certainly flash's fault | 04:56 |
| poseidon | Well I am using the adobe version so I guess there isnt' anything we can do :( | 04:57 |
| pwnguin | yes / no | 04:57 |
| dtchen | it depends what audio backends are in use | 04:57 |
| pwnguin | theres stuff out there to sorta shim between flash and the newer audio stack | 04:57 |
| dtchen | as of intrepid, there is no need for flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound/libflashsupport | 04:58 |
| poseidon | I believe I just installed the flashplugin-nonfree package. I don't know what kind of dependencies it uses | 04:59 |
| dtchen | if you're attempting to troubleshoot in jaunty, we should migrate to #ubuntu+1, otherwise (for a supported, stable Ubuntu release), #ubuntu | 04:59 |
| poseidon | I don't need any help. Just wanted to let you guys know. | 05:00 |
| dtchen | we're aware (well, at least the audio team), and it's most likely a misconfiguration at the user end | 05:01 |
| dtchen | as of intrepid, installing Flash through adobe-flashplugin or flashplugin-nonfree does the right thing WRT pulse | 05:01 |
| dtchen | (obviously for Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Ubuntu Studio, etc., that don't seed PulseAudio, it's moot) | 05:02 |
| poseidon | I'm using a pretty default ubuntu interpid. | 05:02 |
| dtchen | default meaning with or without updates? | 05:03 |
| poseidon | with latest updates | 05:03 |
| dtchen | then it's already a resolved issue for jaunty | 05:03 |
| poseidon | k, cool :) | 05:04 |
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| slangasek | asac: does ubufox need an update yet in order to point to the jaunty repo for plugins? there's no pfs/db/sources.list.9.04, for instance | 10:43 |
| seb128 | hey slangasek | 10:45 |
| * slangasek waves | 10:45 | |
| seb128 | slangasek: when do you expect we will be frozen frozen frozen for jaunty? | 10:45 |
| slangasek | seb128: next Monday, I hope | 10:46 |
| seb128 | ok good, so still time to fix some bugs and send some GNOME 2.26.1 update your way ;-) | 10:46 |
| ogra | seb128, any idea why we have to use -O1 with the keyring daemon on ARM (thanks for including the fix though) | 10:50 |
| seb128 | ogra: no | 10:53 |
| geser | doko: is there a common solution for FTBFS because the configure script sets the python script dir to "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages"? | 10:53 |
| slangasek | the solution is to revert the latest python2.6 change | 10:55 |
| geser | this site-/dist-packages change seems to make much patching needed to get everything build correctly again | 10:57 |
| slangasek | generally, yes; but the specific problem you mention is a regression in python that's due to be reverted | 10:58 |
| slangasek | infinity: can you take care of a manual bootstrap of cup (bug #359743)? | 11:59 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 359743 in cup "ftbfs, needs manual build for jaunty" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/359743 | 11:59 |
| infinity | slangasek: When I'm "at work" on Tuesday. | 12:00 |
| infinity | slangasek: Bonus points if you can remind me? | 12:01 |
| slangasek | infinity: ok. :) also, do we have a solution for P-a-s in place? (bg #301445) | 12:01 |
| infinity | slangasek: There's a branch that core-dev can commit to. | 12:01 |
| infinity | slangasek: (ie: feel free) | 12:02 |
| lamont | infinity: good to see you're getting your sleep. :-p | 12:02 |
| infinity | lamont: Was at my parents' place all night upgrading a woody machine to hardy. Shh. | 12:02 |
| infinity | "upgrading"... It was a rather violent affair. | 12:02 |
| lamont | woody? zomg | 12:02 |
| slangasek | infinity: code.lp.net only lists one in cjwatson's namespace? | 12:02 |
| * lamont stabs at udev. I hate trying to write new rules | 12:03 | |
| slangasek | infinity: so where's the branch I can commit to? :/ | 12:05 |
| infinity | slangasek: Remind me how to make bzr tell me where it's pulling a bound branch from? :P | 12:06 |
| slangasek | bzr info | 12:06 |
| slangasek | 'Checkout of...' or somethin | 12:06 |
| infinity | checkout of branch: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-core-dev/packages-arch-specific/ubuntu/ | 12:06 |
| slangasek | curious; code.lp.net doesn't list that at all | 12:06 |
| infinity | slangasek: Anyhow, if you do commit changes that you expect to do anything useful, you'll want to poke cprov to run the queue-builder to pick up said changes. | 12:07 |
| slangasek | ok | 12:07 |
| infinity | slangasek: (Normally, I'd say any one of us could run queue-builder, but it's half-broken right now, and fails miserably without some handholding...) | 12:07 |
| infinity | \o/ | 12:07 |
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| maxb | Speaking of manual bootstrapping, cmucl (universe) is in more-or-less the same situation except it's been like that since warty or thereabouts. Is there some guideline on what should happen to packages like that? | 13:04 |
| persia | maxb, Ideally, make them not need manual bootstrapping :) | 13:06 |
| persia | Or find a way to bootstrap remotely through "limited" build, or similar. | 13:06 |
| IntuitiveNipple | When debugging multi-threaded apps, using gdb, is it possible to deduce which thread a function pointer is in by comparing its address to the gdb "info threads" list and looking at the Linux thread systags (which show addresses as far as I can tell) ? | 13:07 |
| maxb | and if no-one's got round to that since warty, who makes a call on when to kick the old binaries out of the archive? | 13:08 |
| broonie | IntuitiveNipple: A function pointer isn't in a thread. | 13:08 |
| persia | maxb, Anyone can file a removal bug, and any developer can approve it, although generally it's left for someone to fix later, especially if it's maintained in Debian. | 13:09 |
| IntuitiveNipple | broonie: Indeed, but I'm dealing with a structure with a request_handler * and the thread that was running the request_handler seems to be closing prematurely, so I'm trying to figure out how to get gdb to confirm that | 13:13 |
| broonie | IntuitiveNipple: Breakpoint in the function and step through it (or trace in the function)? | 13:16 |
| IntuitiveNipple | broonie: Hmmm, not sure that'll work since I can't identify (whilst the suspect thread is still active) which one it is, since I can only check the reference to it *after* it has gone AWOL! | 13:18 |
| IntuitiveNipple | broonie: It's a really convoluted AT-SPI >libORBit2 > atk-bridge > java > eclipse issue | 13:20 |
| IntuitiveNipple | broonie: What I was hoping to trust is the gdb 'info threads' lists. I take one whilst the thread is alive, tell the app (eclipse) to close, it gets stuck, I take another thread list and find several have shutdown and one is stuck in a loop that surrounds a g_cond_timed)wait(), drill down into the data structures and try to figure out what is expected to be on the other end of the libORBit2 connection - the suspicion being the closed th | 13:24 |
| IntuitiveNipple | read that has yet to be finalized or GCed | 13:24 |
| slangasek | calc: if you're now waiting for revu for ooo-thumbnailer, should I be rejecting the package that's currently in the new queue? | 13:25 |
| IntuitiveNipple | broonie: If the thread systags represent the thread's base virtual address (which it appears to since each thread is a regular distance apart), I could maybe deduce which thread the request_handler was in | 13:26 |
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| calc | slangasek: yea go ahead and reject it | 16:09 |
| calc | slangasek: i have a better packaged version now but not sure if anyone is going to look at it :\ | 16:10 |
| calc | argh! | 16:34 |
| * calc kicks ooo packaging hard | 16:35 | |
| calc | ooo-java-common managed to no longer pull in jre once we dropped the external saxon library :\ | 16:37 |
| * calc has to upload a new OOo package now :\ | 16:38 | |
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| gionnico | Someone stole me 80MB ! Help me finding him! | 17:20 |
| gionnico | Let's start with a dev question: does free -m show , under "used", also the memory used by the kernel itself? | 17:21 |
| directhex | calc, pfft, java casusing issues | 17:22 |
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| calc | gionnico: i think that the kernel steals it off the top | 17:31 |
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| gionnico | calc: ah, so .. | 17:32 |
| gionnico | is this ubuntu peculiarity? | 17:33 |
| gionnico | because in gentoo free -m and the sum of all processes matches exactly.. | 17:33 |
| calc | gionnico: no | 17:34 |
| calc | gionnico: oh no i didn't explain properly | 17:34 |
| calc | gionnico: it steals it from "total" mem | 17:34 |
| gionnico | ah | 17:35 |
| calc | so the numbers should add up more or less i think | 17:35 |
| gionnico | ok so i still miss 80mb | 17:35 |
| gionnico | because free -m used shows me "X" while the sum of all processes makes "X-80" | 17:35 |
| calc | other thing steal from total also, like addressing on 32bit mode, etc | 17:35 |
| calc | s/mode/arch/ | 17:35 |
| gionnico | well i don't really care if there's something i can't see | 17:35 |
| gionnico | but there's something i can see is using memory but i can't know what it is | 17:36 |
| gionnico | Can i? | 17:37 |
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| radix | mathiaz: hi mathias, thanks very much for taking over that package upload on thursday | 17:51 |
| mathiaz | radix: you're welcome :) | 17:51 |
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| radix | mathiaz: unfortunately, I'm going to have to dig myself into an even bigger karma debt and point out bug #360510 | 19:07 |
| ubottu | Bug 360510 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/360510 is private | 19:07 |
| radix | huh | 19:07 |
| calc | crap i forgot to close the lp bug in my upload :\ | 19:08 |
| radix | one sec, lemme fix that | 19:08 |
| radix | there's a core file in it, that's why it's private | 19:08 |
| radix | mathiaz: ok, bug #360510 | 19:10 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 360510 in landscape-client "crash in landscape-broker" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/360510 | 19:10 |
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| calc | slangasek: can i get you to approve, ayaspell-dic, ifrench-gut, myspell-sv, and openoffice.org-dictionaries (I fixed all the remaining dictionaries) | 20:01 |
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| lamont` | anybody looked into why xvnc4viewer barfs with "rect too big" on startup (regularly, sadly) | 20:08 |
| istaz_ | maybe not the right place to ask this but anybody know if there is still a feisty mirror somewhere? I need it to install php5-gd on a server that I don't want to upgrade atm | 20:10 |
| Laney | old-releases.ubuntu.com | 20:11 |
| lamont` | istaz_: you do relize that feisty hasn't been getting security updates for a few months, yes? | 20:12 |
| istaz_ | wow thanks you very much Laney exactl I needed | 20:12 |
| istaz_ | lamont`: yes, I plan on upgrading it when Jaunty comes out | 20:13 |
| ScottK | calc: ifrench-gut accepted (it was in Universe). | 20:14 |
| calc | ScottK: thanks | 20:16 |
| calc | also i just uploaded the much better packaging version of ooo-thumbnailer (0.1~alpha2-0ubuntu1) if someone can accept that into universe, it's NEW | 20:16 |
| lamont` | istaz_: the transition from feisty->gutsy will be easier if you do it before gutsy gets EOLed over to old-releases. | 20:19 |
| lamont` | and by easier, I mean that edgy->feisty really really really sucked when I did it recently | 20:19 |
| istaz_ | feisty -> gutsy then gutsy -> jaunty? | 20:20 |
| calc | istaz_: f -> g -> h -> i -> j | 20:20 |
| istaz_ | wow this is going to take a long time ^^ | 20:21 |
| calc | istaz_: he mans gutsy is going to be end of lifed later this week as well | 20:21 |
| calc | s/mans/means/ | 20:21 |
| calc | istaz_: so better to do the upgrade before the packages get moved :) | 20:22 |
| istaz_ | I don't really understand the point if I am going to upgrade right after upgrading to jaunty | 20:22 |
| istaz_ | *gutsy | 20:23 |
| calc | istaz_: you can't skip releases for upgrades | 20:23 |
| calc | istaz_: unless you want to just reinstall | 20:23 |
| istaz_ | ah I didn't know that | 20:24 |
| calc | istaz_: meaning you can't go from f -> j directly, you have to upgrade to each state in between for it to reliably upgrade | 20:24 |
| istaz_ | ok | 20:24 |
| calc | istaz_: between LTS it is supported but not between regular releases, eg you can go from Dapper -> Hardy | 20:24 |
| jdstrand | ScottK: can you add the clamtk and klamav test case instructions to bug #360655, then subscribe ubuntu-sru when ready? | 20:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 360655 in clamav "SRU for clamav on intrepid (freshclam apparmor profile updates)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/360655 | 20:27 |
| ScottK | jdstrand: Sure. | 20:28 |
| jdstrand | ScottK: thanks | 20:28 |
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| directhex | if you were me, who would you file a bug against for a mouse sensitivity issue? | 21:18 |
| ScottK | lool: mobile-meta accpeted. | 21:21 |
| jcole | does mythbuntu jaunty have its own patched zenity that *does* steal focus? -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zenity/+bug/272083 | 21:23 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 272083 in mythbuntu "Zenity windows appear underneath others" [High,Confirmed] | 21:23 |
| ScottK | superm1: ^^ | 21:24 |
| superm1 | jcole, no, but the ideal situation is to have zenity grab focus. as of right now, mythtv-setup doesn't work right for several situations because the zenity window is not focusing | 21:26 |
| superm1 | and the application that spawned zenity is blocking, waiting on the user to answer the zenity question | 21:26 |
| pochu | directhex: xserver, but I'm not you :) | 21:28 |
| jcole | superm1: will mythbuntu have the proper glade config for zenity? | 21:30 |
| * jcole doesnt understand the rationale of having zenity windows default to be behind all other windows o_O | 21:31 | |
| superm1 | jcole, we're not going to change the zenity behavior for just mythbuntu, i'd prefer that we see it fixed in the distro | 21:31 |
| superm1 | jcole, it's best to ask the #ubuntu-desktop folks why this is the way it is | 21:32 |
| superm1 | I agree it sounds wrong right now | 21:32 |
| directhex | pochu, which source package is that? | 21:32 |
| NCommander | Can a buildd admin please kill the build on rhenium? | 21:32 |
| superm1 | jcole, but if it comes down to it that the desktop team isn't willing to change that behavior, i suppose mythbuntu can ship a glade file and divert the one in zenity, but that's definitely not what i want to do | 21:34 |
| pochu | directhex: xorg | 21:34 |
| pochu | directhex: package is xserver-xorg | 21:34 |
| pochu | directhex: but I could be totally wrong. that's where I would fill it though :) | 21:34 |
| directhex | i think i might file against gnome-control-center since it's the customer-facing end of my issue | 21:36 |
| directhex | it can always be bounced around by a triager | 21:36 |
| directhex | oh. # | 21:37 |
| directhex | bug #28052 | 21:37 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 28052 in gnome-control-center "Improve mouse sensitivity and acceleration settings" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28052 | 21:37 |
| directhex | hm, no, not quite the issue i have | 21:38 |
| jcole | superm1: the main purpose of zenity *is* to steal focus... it's been like that for years... doesnt make sense to break all zenity apps for the sake of (whatever the rationale may be) | 21:48 |
| superm1 | jcole, yeah i agree. so tomorrow when everyone is back from holiday, it's a good idea to stir up this discussion | 21:49 |
| slangasek | calc: I'll have a look at those, sure | 21:54 |
| lool | ScottK: Thanks! | 21:56 |
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| calc | slangasek: thanks | 22:10 |
| calc | slangasek: i also uploaded the better version of ooo-thumbnailer after going through REVU checks | 22:11 |
| * slangasek nods | 22:11 | |
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| LaserJock | bryce: regarding your email to -devel, I'm not sure what you mean by "performance problems". Do you mean "it'll make it go faster" or "it'll make it not crash as much"? | 23:38 |
| superm1 | LaserJock, it will run more fluidly (faster) | 23:41 |
| LaserJock | hmm :/ | 23:41 |
| LaserJock | I was hoping for the later | 23:42 |
| LaserJock | jaunty is certainly making me regret buying an Intel graphics card | 23:42 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: the drivers are that bad? | 23:43 |
| calc | LaserJock: i think intel wanted to help prop up ati and nvidia a bit with their crappy drivers | 23:43 |
| calc | LaserJock: aiui their drivers on windows have been equally bad in other areas | 23:44 |
| * ajmitch might hold off on upgrading from hardy then | 23:44 | |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: I get a lock-up about every day. I have to hard reboot. | 23:44 |
| ajmitch | that's pretty bad | 23:44 |
| lifeless | LaserJock: its 'not crash as much' too | 23:44 |
| calc | ajmitch: intrepid is probably fine, the main problem with intel drivers on jaunty are due to the 2.5/2.6 driver | 23:45 |
| lifeless | LaserJock: because you can stop using UXA | 23:45 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: it's really spotty. you might be just fine, but this is the first Ubuntu release I've had problems | 23:45 |
| calc | ajmitch: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/IntelPerformance | 23:45 |
| dtchen | there are reports in the streets that newer libdrm and xserver-xorg-driver-intel are much more stable | 23:45 |
| dtchen | s/driver/video/ | 23:45 |
| calc | dtchen: newer than what we have? | 23:45 |
| LaserJock | Intrepid was just fine for me | 23:45 |
| dtchen | calc: yes | 23:46 |
| calc | dtchen: ah | 23:46 |
| calc | bryce: ^ see what dtchen said (if you aren't already aware of it) | 23:46 |
| LaserJock | lifeless: does UXA currently fix problems? | 23:46 |
| lifeless | its the new vm for intel drivers, but AIUI its a little fragile right now | 23:47 |
| ScottK | LaserJock: UXA works great for me except when it falls over and dies. | 23:47 |
| jdong | performance and glitchiness are fine for me in UXA | 23:48 |
| jdong | just it frickin kills X on every resume | 23:48 |
| jdong | s/every/90%/ | 23:48 |
| LaserJock | I don't care about like speed and stuff, I just want to be able to use FF without it having to hard-reboot every day | 23:48 |
| jdong | and EXA for me just hardlocks on compiz start. | 23:48 |
| LaserJock | s/it// | 23:48 |
| ScottK | LaserJock: The 'greedy' option described in Bug #359600 works great for me. | 23:49 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 359600 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Solved slow 2D performances with EXA" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/359600 | 23:49 |
| ScottK | Or in bryce's PPA.... | 23:49 |
| LaserJock | ok, I'll give it a go | 23:50 |
| lifeless | LaserJock: disable compositing and UXA, use bryces deps, pretty sure it will be fine :) | 23:50 |
| LaserJock | lifeless: I've never used UXA, and I've tried without compositing. I'll now try bryces packages | 23:50 |
| ScottK | siretart was touting the newer Intel drivers yesterday or the day before. | 23:51 |
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