[03:03] <vraa> hello! what kind of server racks do you guys use for your ubuntu machines
[03:08] <PhotoJim> I don't yet, but any rack that works well with other OSes works well with Ubuntu :)
[03:08] <PhotoJim> my server is rack-mountable but it sits on my bar in the basement :)
[03:09] <vraa> can you look over my cart and tell me if i have selected a feasible solution? http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=15265567
[03:11] <PhotoJim> feasible for what?
[03:11] <PhotoJim> oh, for the rack
[03:11] <PhotoJim> I'm not at all the one to ask
[03:11] <PhotoJim> I've never used one, never owned one, IT is my hobby not my job
[03:11] <PhotoJim> I am going to put a rack in a server closet in my basement once I develop it, but I have to hit up friends for advice when I do it
[03:12] <PhotoJim> a 4U case is pretty tall btw... my server is 2U (but then again it was built to be a server)
[03:13] <vraa> it is my hobby too, i want to build a file server
[03:14] <PhotoJim> what you chose looks fine if you don't mind a big machine, but you sould definitely hang around until someone who knows better can answer
[03:14] <PhotoJim> I bought a used enterprise-level file server, 2U PIII-1 GHz dual CPUs with 1 GiB RAM
[03:14] <vraa> yes i will wait, i dont want to end up not being able to mount the case into the rack
[03:14] <PhotoJim> I stuck a SATA card and a couple of SATA 1 TB disks in it on RAID1 and I'm good to go
[03:14] <PhotoJim> and added a gigabit Ethernet card for the LAN (built in 100BaseTX for WAN was fine)
[03:15] <PhotoJim> smart plan :)
[03:15] <twb> We have gigabit everywhere... except the switches and routers :-/
[03:16] <vraa> i am going to buy a cheap amd quad core and load it up with cheap sata2 cards
[03:16] <vraa> and throw in as many harddrives as i can accumulate
[03:16] <twb> vraa: so they overheat and die
[03:16] <twb> ?
[03:17] <gouki> Hi. Is there a way of deleting entries on /sys/class/net of non-existent interfaces without restarting the machine?
[03:18] <twb> gouki: is the problem that the (now gone) NICs are still holding on to eth0 and eth1, so that your new NICs get higher eth2 and eth3?
[03:18] <vraa> i hope they dont overheat
[03:18] <vraa> the case has a 120mm fan
[03:19] <twb> vraa: if you're gonna have more than four disks, I would definitely have at least two fans, and preferably a not-shit case.
[03:19] <gouki> twb, it would not be the first time happening, but no :) I played around with IPV6 tunnel brokers and have 3 non-existent interfaces there that show up on ifconfig -a :)
[03:19] <twb> And of course SMART on.
[03:19] <twb> gouki: sorry, I dunno
[03:20] <vraa> twb - what qualifies a shit case vs a non-shit case, any key aspects i should look for specifically? or if you know of a good company?
[03:20] <gouki> twb, no problem. even restarting network doesn't seem to do it.
[03:21] <twb> vraa: usually it will be a name brand, and have decent reviews from respected tech publications
[03:21] <twb> vraa: if it is beige, it is probably not a good case.
[03:21] <vraa> what are some tech publications who review server parts? i am familar only with sites like hardocp and techreport
[03:21] <vraa> haha this case is black
[03:22] <twb> vraa: in general I have been pleased with antec and coolermaster, but though a couple are horrendous (particularly some targeted at "set-top box" roles).
[03:23] <twb> To be honest I try really hard not to use hardware at all, so I can't really recommend any publications
[04:26] <Shoopuf> Hello... I am trying to run "sudo iptables-save > /etc/iptables.up.rules" ... But it says "Access Denied," and I definitely input the right sudo password. Any ideas? I am trying to add some sort of rule to my iptables to block brute-force attempts :P
[04:26] <Shoopuf> Any idea why the access would be denied?
[04:32] <p_quarles> Shoopuf: sudo -s 'iptables-save > /etc/iptables.up.rules'
[04:33] <p_quarles> you need to shell argument before sudo can redirect stdout to a file
[04:34] <Shoopuf> p_quarles: I see :) thanks
[04:38] <Shoopuf> Do you guys suggest keeping SSH login at port 23 or making it something else?
[04:38] <Shoopuf> Seems most of the articles I read refer to 22/23
[04:47] <twb> Shoopuf: sudo only affects the command, not the redirect
[04:47] <twb> iptables-save | sudo tee >/dev/null /etc/iptables.up.rules
[05:09] <Shoopuf> twb: thanks
[05:10] <Shoopuf> I am just learning about Ubuntu and setting up a server... I've been using "sudo cat auth.log" to check for hack attempts... Is this the way that you guys go about checking your logs?
[05:11] <ScottK> less auth.log is what I use
[05:11] <jtaji> Shoopuf: less is probably more useful
[05:11] <jtaji> :)
[05:11] <ScottK> tail is good too
[05:15] <Shoopuf> OK thanks, I'll try all of those. "less" seems a lot easier to read than "cat" ... Also I just found this interesting "Ubuntu Security" forum post :) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=510812
[06:09] <twb> I use logcheck
[06:10] <twb> It sends me an email each day about all the log events that I have not declared "boring"
[08:20] <Gnea> got a strange issue in 8.10 - dbus isn't properly re-running getty on the tty's if a user logs out of console - why is that?  i've tried sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart  to no avail
[10:35] <cjwatson> Gnea: dbus isn't responsible for spawning gettys - upstart is
[10:36] <Gnea> hrm
[10:36] <cjwatson> (I don't know the answer to your question, but not starting from the wrong place will undoubtedly help ...)
[10:40] <Gnea> cjwatson: awesome, thanks
[11:39] <godowner> Hey all...
[11:42] <godowner> Anyone here that can help me setup a mail server :( I've been trying quite a lot, with webmin, etc. can't do it :S
[11:45] <godowner> !mx
[11:45] <godowner> !mailserver
[12:29] <godowner> need email, mx settings fella...
[12:40] <godowner> !aliases
[13:02] <Pete_B> I have a server with a SCSI hard disk (sda in fstab) and a USB-attached hard disk (sdb in fstab) for backup. If the server restarts with the USB hard disk attached Linux tries to mount the USB-attached disk as / and fails. How do I make it so Linux doesn't assign /dev/sda to the external backup disk on startup? Some of my servers do this and some don't.
[13:10] <friartuck> Pete_B boot order in bios?
[13:12] <Pete_B> friartuck: Perhaps I was mistaken to say it boots '/'. It boots off the disk OK, into GRUB and beyond, but after a while (and I don't know the technical term here) it moves on to a section of loading the system where it moves on to the USB disk rather than continuing to use the internal disk
[13:14] <friartuck> Pete_B fstab has usb-drive mounting on / instead of /media/usb or /backup?
[13:15] <Pete_B> friartuck: fstab has sda1 /media/backup (back in 5 mins)
[13:17] <friartuck> Pete_B is that a typo? should be sdb1 /media/backup? sda1 /?
[13:19] <Pete_B> friartuck: yeah an unfortunately very misleading typo, sorry sdb1
[13:20] <Pete_B> for the sake of full disclosure, the server's running Debian, not Ubuntu. I've moved from Debian to Ubuntu for my desktops and came in here forgetting I hadn't done the same for my servers :)
[13:21] <Pete_B> just realised this
[13:23] <friartuck> Pete_B are you sure bios has sda set to boot first? does sdb have /boot?
[13:26] <Pete_B> friartuck: sdb doesn't have /boot. It boots OK but Linux doesn't fully load, it gets so far then fails after a couple of pages of Linux boot messages. This is well beyond the BIOS level.
[13:43] <Pete_B> thanks anyway
[14:37] <Tsepa> Should in file /etc/hosts be every ip witch is assigned for computer like this way: <ip_address>     <canonical hostanme>     <server hostaname> ?
[14:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> Tsepa, sorry, i dont understand your question entirely
[14:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> *entirely understand your question
[14:38] <Tsepa> That, my server got thee ip's, does it need to be everyone in /etc/hosts -file?
[14:38] <Tsepa> s/thee/tree
[14:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> not if your DNS server hands out the correct addresses
[14:39] <Tsepa> And are format: <ip_addresses>    <reverse-dns>  <hostname>
[14:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> and your network is stable enough for it guarantee address delivery
[14:40] <Tsepa> Those all ip's are workig at the moment.
[14:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> Tsepa, format is *usuallly* <ip> <fqdn> <hostname>
[14:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> assuming the format of /etc/hostname is <hostname>
[14:40] <Tsepa> What is fqdn?
[14:41] <Tsepa> canonical hostname?
[14:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> fully qualified domain name
[14:41] <Nafallo> !fqdn
[14:41] <Nafallo> :-O
[14:41] <Tsepa> are that same, witch I can get with command: host <ip>
[14:41] <Tsepa> ?
[14:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> Nafallo, :O
[14:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> Tsepa, sorry?
[14:42] <Nafallo> !fqdn is <reply> Fully Qualified Domain Name, i.e. archive.ubuntu.com
[14:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> !hostname
[14:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool.
[14:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> ubottu, hostname is also !fqdn
[14:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> ubottu, messaged me, so perhaps it'll get added
[14:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> ubottu, we love you anyway :D
[14:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> !botsnack
[14:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> <3
[14:49] <Tsepa> Kamping_Kaiser: thanks, now I understund that hosts-file
[14:50] <godowner> Need help with Imap and postfix admin
[14:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> Tsepa, hope i helped, sorry if i've not explained well, feel free to ask if you have issues later :)
[14:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> godowner, really?
[14:52] <godowner> ? yeah really...
[14:53] <godowner> I've setup the postfix, tested with telnet 127.0.0.1 25, working, installed courier, how can I add user to it?
[14:53] <godowner> To IMAP...
[14:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> godowner, by default it uses the password file, but look in /etc/courier/authdaemonrc
[14:57] <godowner> thenks...
[14:59] <godowner> Haven't found anything there mate :(
[15:00] <godowner> I'm quite noobish to this mail stuff... But do I even need IMAP login/pass?
[15:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> godowner, describe your actual problem - i'm running courier-imap locally and not having issues
[15:00] <godowner> Well I'm not sure anymore what seems to be the problem...
[15:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> what _is_ the problem?
[15:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> well
[15:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> what made you ask thequestion?
[15:01] <godowner> If I mail to myself from gmail.com email doesn't get there... I wish I could just give you ssh :(
[15:02] <jpds> godowner: You can't see email from yourself in Gmail.
[15:02] <jpds> Gmail thinks you made a mistake and hides it.
[15:02] <godowner> oh?
[15:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> jpds, (evening mate)
[15:03] <jpds> Kamping_Kaiser: hello o/
[15:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> jpds, :)
[15:03] <godowner> Any other way to just test it out if SMTP actually works?
[15:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> godowner, if i understand you correctly, you emailed f*from* gmail *to* your server you are setting up?
[15:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> godowner, is this a static IP or dynamic?
[15:05] <godowner> Well, its dynamic, but never changes xD I know it sounds silly but it actually hasn't changed in last 3 months of my  new net connection...
[15:06] <godowner> And I sent from gmail to my server (got deliverance error), And I sent from my server to gmail (never got there)
[15:07] <godowner> I'm probably asking silly questions since I have no exp. at all in mail servers :S
[15:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> problem with dynamic ips is they introduce new problems into debuggfing smtp
[15:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> godowner, whats the email address on your server? I'll email you.
[15:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> and see what happens
[15:09] <godowner> db@downbase.net
[15:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> godowner, sent, give it a few minutes to bounce
[15:12] <godowner> You have sent it successfully?
[15:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> it sent via my ISPs smtp server, i'm waiting for the bounce.
[15:13] <godowner> k
[15:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> godowner,
 host mail.downbase.net[89.212.214.247] said: 550 5.1.1
[15:20] <Kamping_Kaiser>     <db@downbase.net>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local
[15:20] <Kamping_Kaiser>     recipient table (in reply to RCPT TO command)
[15:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> godowner, is that the sort of thing you see?
[15:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> postfix is your issue, not courier
[15:21] <godowner> okay...
[15:21] <SWQ> ok
[15:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> godowner, what level of logging do you have enabled? it might be worth you checking the logs to see the bounce (if its turned up that verbose)
[15:22] <godowner> I'm not sure mate... How can I check?
[15:23] <SWQ> strange strange error, ubuntu 8.10 server. Apache and ssh will not accept requests from sources not in my intranet, the ports are not blocked and being forwarded by my router the other apache servers on my network connect and show index.html. But when you attempt any sort of outside connection this one just times out
[15:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> SWQ, can you describe the network(s) better? eg, the two netblocks in question, or (say) the output of ssh -vvv when connecting to the 'internal' host
[15:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> godowner, i dont remember where postfix logs sorry, it may be /var/log/syslog, or it may be /var/log/mail.{err,log,info}
[15:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> godowner, also, i dont know postfix well
[15:26] <giovani> postfix, in ubuntu logs in /var/log/mail.{err,log,info
[15:26] <giovani> }
[15:26] <godowner> Thanks...
[15:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> afiak ScottK and lamont are the people to ask about postfix, but tehy appear to be afk
[15:28] <giovani> sorry, what's the question?
[15:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> *they
[15:28] <giovani> I have a decent amount of postfix experience ... and if I can't help ... #postfix is just a channel away :)
[15:28] <SWQ> Kamping_Kaiser: i have an intranet running behind a lynksys wireless router but the server in question is connected via ethernet. i am attempting to connect using a dynamic dns to my network specifically this server from the internet. the other apache servers on my network work just fine this one doesn't accept requests.
[15:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> giovani, could you help godowner ? i'm postifx ignorant
[15:29] <SWQ> Kamping_Kaiser: here is the output you requested
[15:29] <SWQ> Kamping_Kaiser: justin@devo:/etc/resolvconf$ ssh -vvv justin@192.168.1.109
[15:29] <SWQ> OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-3ubuntu1, OpenSSL 0.9.8g 19 Oct 2007
[15:29] <SWQ> debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
[15:29] <SWQ> debug1: Applying options for *
[15:29] <SWQ> debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0
[15:29] <SWQ> debug1: Connecting to 192.168.1.109 [192.168.1.109] port 22.
[15:29] <SWQ> debug1: Connection established.
[15:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> SWQ, pastebin please
[15:29] <SWQ> debug1: identity file /home/justin/.ssh/identity type -1
[15:29] <SWQ> debug1: identity file /home/justin/.ssh/id_rsa type -1
[15:29] <SWQ> debug1: identity file /home/justin/.ssh/id_dsa type -1
[15:29] <SWQ> debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-3ubuntu1
[15:29] <SWQ> debug1: match: OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-3ubuntu1 pat OpenSSH*
[15:29] <SWQ> debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0
[15:29] <giovani> godowner: what's the actual problem ... in a reasonably concise description please
[15:29] <SWQ> debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-3ubuntu1
[15:29] <SWQ> debug2: fd 3 setting O_NONBLOCK
[15:29] <SWQ> debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent
[15:29] <SWQ> debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received
[15:29] <SWQ> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha256,diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha1,diffie-hellman-group14-sha1,diffie-hellman-group1-sha1
[15:29] <SWQ> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: ssh-rsa,ssh-dss
[15:29] <SWQ> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128-cbc,arcfour128,arcfour256,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,rijndael-cbc@lysator.liu.se,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr
[15:29] <SWQ> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128-cbc,arcfour128,arcfour256,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,rijndael-cbc@lysator.liu.se,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr
[15:29] <SWQ> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,umac-64@openssh.com,hmac-ripemd160,hmac-ripemd160@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96
[15:30] <SWQ> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,umac-64@openssh.com,hmac-ripemd160,hmac-ripemd160@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96
[15:30] <SWQ> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib@openssh.com,zlib
[15:30] <SWQ> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib@openssh.com,zlib
[15:30] <SWQ> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit:
[15:30] <Nafallo> !ops SWQ flooding
[15:30] <SWQ> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit:
[15:30] <SWQ> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: first_kex_follows 0
[15:30] <SWQ> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: reserved 0
[15:30] <Nafallo> !ops
[15:30] <SWQ> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha256,diffie-hellman-group-exc
[15:30] <SWQ> nafallo: sorry
[15:30] <Pici> !paste | SWQ
[15:31] <SWQ> sorry all
[15:31] <SWQ> didn't mean to spam
[15:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> SWQ, ignoring the accidental paste, i dont see anything obvious in your ssh output. SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent+recived seems to indicate (to me at least) that the host is reachable from whatever your external host is
[15:34] <SWQ> Kamping_Kaiser: thats from my internal host, i thats connecting to the machines local ip ill copy and paste the external output if you would like
[15:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> giovani, godowner 's postfix server does not seem to be accepting mail for local users
[15:35] <giovani> Kamping_Kaiser: he's pming me -- I'll see if I can help him
[15:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> giovani, i'm throwing that in since i cant see a reply above from godowner
[15:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> giovani, no worries then. if you could, reply back to the channel with a solution if you find one (the channel is publically logged, so having solution_+question woudl be great)
[15:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> SWQ, wb
[15:36] <giovani> Kamping_Kaiser: sure
[15:36] <giovani> ok, so he's installed postfixadmin, to do configuration
[15:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> giovani, cheer
[15:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> s
[15:37] <giovani> godowner: can you put your /etc/postfix/main.cf into www.pastebin.ca for me?
[15:38] <SWQ> Kamping_Kaiser: thanks im attempting to connect via the internet now... it's stalled trying to contact port 22 well it hasn't timed out yet but thats where it seems to be heading again
[15:38] <godowner> sec
[15:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> SWQ, ok. can you 'host' the server in question successfully? can you telnet to the apropriate port?
[15:40] <godowner> giovani: http://www.pastebin.ca/1390598
[15:41] <giovani> godowner: ok, and what IMAP/POP server are you using/planning to use?
[15:42] <godowner> courier...
[15:42] <giovani> ok
[15:42] <godowner> Managed to install it not sure if it works OK though
[15:42] <giovani> ok, well you haven
[15:42] <giovani> haven't configured postfix at all yet
[15:42] <SWQ> Kamping_Kaiser: its working locally like i've said, the dynamic dns connection isn't working for this server.  telnet can't connect either... however connecting locally is not an issue at all
[15:43] <giovani> I recommend that you read the basic config document from the postfix team, it should get you set up
[15:43] <godowner> :S okay
[15:43] <godowner> Afterwards...
[15:43] <godowner> How can I test it to make sure config is ok?
[15:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> SWQ, you'll need to get your dyndns setup then
[15:43] <godowner> may I post it again to you?
[15:44] <giovani> you mean making sure the syntax is right, or making sure postfix is running?
[15:44] <bromar> Hey, i have a small problem i need to see the logfile of logins on my server how do i do that ?
[15:44] <SWQ> Kamping_Kaiser: i've done some testing and im sure the DDNS is getting to my router, i can connect and login as well as connect to apache on other machines... this particular one seems to dislike the idea of the internet though... are there settings i may have neglected that you can think of
[15:45] <SWQ> Kamping_Kaiser:  login to my router that is
[15:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> SWQ, are you willing to give me the dyndns address of the host (pm is fine) so i can host / telnet from here?
[15:45] <foxbuntu> Hi all. Looking to bounce some devel ideas around, I am considering going to UDS this year and wanted to register a blueprint for discussion but wanted to get input/see if anyone would be interested in pursuing it as well
[15:45] <godowner> Well I wanna make sure the syntax is ok first...
[15:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> SWQ, the most obvious answe ris your gateway/proxy not having the correct forwarding in place
[15:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> foxbuntu, spit it out, but i'd suggest the email lists may be a better plac
[15:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> e
[15:47] <foxbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, I will sure do that...irc is just better for me at the moment
[15:47] <SWQ> Kamping_Kaiser: if that were the case it wouldn't allow me to connect to other apache servers... port 80 343 and 22 are being passed to the local ip of the server... it's the only one acting up in this way and ill pm you the address one sec
[15:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> foxbuntu, i'm happy to hear you out :)
[15:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> SWQ, ok
[15:48] <foxbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, One thing from the management persepective when working at a Network Admin is a Unified Management Interface, I know this is a gaffe but, sort of Like WMI in Windows
[15:48] <foxbuntu> something that all applications can report logs to, can be controlled from ect
[15:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats WMI?
[15:49] <foxbuntu> so a network app, or script can attach to via a stanard proto
[15:49] <foxbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, Windows Management Interface
[15:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> foxbuntu, for those of us not familar with windows (sorry! :D), whats it /do/?
[15:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> foxbuntu, i've not worked with windows in any real sense for over 12 months, and not with servers *at all*
[15:51] <foxbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, simply, everything, rather than writing code to interact with each application or to run shell command ect, you can just connect to WMI via a proto across the network and control all the actions of the machine or gather data about the machine through simple SQL-like queries
[15:52] <foxbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, it's unfortuantly my day job
[15:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> foxbuntu, my sympathies.
[15:52] <foxbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, MS pays the bills, its always busted :D
[15:53] <ScottK> Up until a couple of days ago we had a wmi client in Ubuntu.
[15:53] <SWQ> truer words have never been uttered
[15:53] <bromar> Dose someone know if there is a logg file of logins on a server and if how to get it ?
[15:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> foxbuntu, i suspect Ubuntu is the correct place to launch your idea, and i suspect it would be well recieved. I personally add the following proviso: as long is it doesnt remove the UNIX methods in the system
[15:53] <giovani> godowner: this is the document you'll want to read: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
[15:53] <ScottK> It was pretty irretreivable broken, so I had it removed from Jaunty though.
[15:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> SWQ,
[15:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> SWQ,00:21:31 kgoetz@wesnoth:~$ host parkerwelding.office-on-the.net
[15:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> parkerwelding.office-on-the.net has address 192.168.0.3
[15:54] <Kamping_Kaiser>  
[15:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> SWQ, your host has an unroutable IP set for its public IP. fix it, and all shoudl work :)
[15:54] <foxbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, no, I just want it to be part of the OS and to be an common API that could be used by any application
[15:54] <ScottK> bromar: less /var/log/auth.log
[15:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> SWQ, ops, sorry, this is the channel not PM, my apologies :(
[15:55] <SWQ> kamping_kaiser: no worries this is going to seem a bit newbish but how do i correct this problem?
[15:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> foxbuntu, well... good luck. it'll be quite an intrusive change (like the launchpad-integration), and yvmv.
[15:56] <foxbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, thanks. I hope I can help push it into change. It would make the sell a little easier to convert some Windows machines to Ubuntu :D
[15:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> SWQ, this will be equally noobish - i dont know. double check your dynddns settings. if theres a 'public' vs 'private' ip, check you have them the crrect way around
[15:56] <foxbuntu> I will go hit the mailing lists when I have some time
[15:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> foxbuntu, personally i'm not a fan of software being recompiled with an arbiary 'standard' api, but i can see why some would like it. good luck with your quest - i'll keep an eye on ubuntu-servers list ;)
[16:00] <foxbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, thanks!
[16:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> foxbuntu, :)
[16:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> ScottK, 'evening, btw
[16:01] <ScottK> o/
[16:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry for dropping your name before, hope you didnt get pinged
[16:05] <SWQ> well funny story i figure out what was going on... but now theres a whole much larger can of worms..
[16:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> SWQ, \o/
[16:05] <SWQ> why oh why was it allowing my to see machines inside of my network with the "unroutable" ip
[16:06] <SWQ> i appreciate the help
[16:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> presumably becaues all your hostsa re on the unroutable address, so you could see them all
[16:50] <godowner> How to completely remove a package? So there is nothing left?
[16:51] <godowner> I manually edited something and now whenever I aptitude reinstall it, it gives an error
[16:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> godowner, --purge remove
[16:52] <godowner> thenks a lot
[17:04] <SWQ> kamping_kaiser: i played around with the address and stuff in etc/network interfaces and now i can connect to the server you the ip that was now working before
[17:05] <SWQ> kamping_kaiser: i am puzzled to say the least
[17:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> SWQ, puzzled bout what?
[17:20] <fevel> hello
[17:20] <fevel> how can I make ufw allow anything from pop3.riotravel.com.br
[17:20] <fevel> ufw allow from pop3.riotravel.com.br didnt work
[17:22] <jdstrand> fevel: sudo ufw allow from `host pop3.riotravel.com.br | awk '{print $4}'`
[17:22] <jdstrand> (assuming that the ip address is in column 4 for your locale)
[17:22] <jdstrand> fevel: you must use an ip address
[17:22] <fevel> jdstrand: really?
[17:22] <fevel> jdstrand: I cant use a domain name?
[17:23] <jdstrand> fevel: that is correct
[17:23] <fevel> that sucks because the pop changes ip all the friggin time
[17:23] <jdstrand> it is generally not considered a good idea to use a domain name in your firewall
[17:24] <fevel> got it
[17:24] <fevel> thanks for the tip
[17:24] <foxbuntu> fevel, do an nslookup on the domain name and grab all the IPs
[17:24] <fevel> Iok
[17:24] <foxbuntu> then create a rule for each ip
[17:24] <fevel> got it
[17:24] <fevel> better than leaving it open for a dns spoofer
[17:24] <foxbuntu> yup
[17:24] <fevel> ok
[17:25] <fevel> If I really wanted to do it I could add it manually to before rules right?
[17:25] <fevel> just checking
[17:25] <foxbuntu> fevel, Im sure they use DNS round-robin to swap the IP based on the request (which is normal for a datacentre)
[17:26] <foxbuntu> fevel, sorry i didnt understand your question
[17:26] <fevel> If I wanted to add the dns rule I could add it to the before.rues the old fashion way right?
[17:27] <foxbuntu> im not sure, but adding a dns entry into a firewall policy is a very bad idea
[17:27] <fevel> forget about it, I aint doing it the wrong way anyway... now that I know better
[17:27] <godowner> One question, can I login only once as sudo so I don't have to write it everytime I want to execute a command line on admin level?
[17:27] <foxbuntu> fevel, unless you prefer I take control of your system for you ;) j/k
[17:27] <foxbuntu> godowner, yeah sudo -i
[17:28] <fevel> lol
[17:28] <godowner> thank you xD
[17:31] <fevel> can I tag a rule on ufw or something so I later on know what that ip stands for?
[17:33] <foxbuntu> i dont think so
[17:33] <fevel> darn
[17:33] <fevel> thats not good for documenting
[17:33] <foxbuntu> fevel, but if you really need to know what an ip is, nslookup <ip> will tell you :P
[17:33] <fevel> ok
[17:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> fevel, you cant via ufw, but you could manually edit the ufw config(s)
[17:36] <fevel> Kamping_Kaiser: should I (your opinion)
[17:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> fevel, if your additions to the files are comments, i dont see why not
[17:37] <fevel> Kamping_Kaiser: dont really see the need... with nslookup
[17:37] <fevel> Kamping_Kaiser:  yes your right
[17:37] <foxbuntu> fevel, really doesnt matter if you comment the lines out I personally do it with my larger IPtables confs
[17:38] <foxbuntu> fevel, but with a few lines you will likely look at again...its a matter if its worth the time to do it
[17:38] <foxbuntu> gl fevel i gtg
[17:39] <fevel> yeah I guess Ill leave it for now
[18:31] <slestak> anyone using likewise open with their ubuntu?  I am using a combination of the LWI enterprise and LWO
[18:34] <kraut> moin
[18:36] <OscarTG> how do i add a new user to the sudo group?
[18:38] <slestak> OscarTG: I think they just need to be member of admin group
[18:40] <OscarTG> i am a member of the admin group and need to added another user and need to give them sudo use
[18:42] <jpds> OscarTG: sudo adduser $username admin
[18:42] <giovani> OscarTG: if you add a user to the admin group, they can use sudo
[18:42] <OscarTG> so i already made the user how to i add them to the admin group
[18:43] <slestak> man usermod, don't forget to use the -a switch for append, or their only group will br admin
[18:44] <giovani> OscarTG: usermod -aG admin USERNAME
[18:44] <jpds> OscarTG: My command still applies.
[18:44] <jpds> OscarTG: man adduser: "If called with two non-option arguments, adduser will add an existing user to an existing group."
[19:09] <reid> hi, if I'm trying to install ubuntu on an old comp, should I use ubuntu-server, and just install what i need?
[19:09] <reid> I'm not very familiar with the package
[19:10] <ivoks> you want server or desktop?
[19:12] <reid> well
[19:12] <reid> its going to be a torrent box
[19:12] <reid> so I really have no need for GUI
[19:13] <reid> afk now though =P
[19:13] <foxbuntu> reid, I would use desktop and remove/dont select X
[19:14] <foxbuntu> reid, the server kernel has some differences that make things more difficult for you
[19:14] <foxbuntu> that could*
[19:14] <ivoks> server kernel has support for PAE
[19:14] <ivoks> old cpus don't support PAE and fail to boot ubuntu server
[19:15] <olcafo> I accidently deleted a virtual image on my development machine with it was running. What struck me as odd is that it kept running without any problems until I shut it down. The VM doesn't seem to be reliant on the image even when copying and create new files, does anyone know how the image files actually used? (online documentation link would be nice.)
[19:16] <foxbuntu> olcafo, what VM host?
[19:17] <olcafo> KVM on an intrepid box.
[19:17] <olcafo> the client was an old 7.04 install.
[19:17] <olcafo> the VM worked for several hours, it was quite erie.
[19:19] <reid> foxbuntu: thank you
[19:19] <foxbuntu> olcafo, allot of that stuff is in swap/memory when running
[19:19] <reid> ivoks: the cpu is not that old, just not very high end and 4 years old or so
[19:19] <olcafo> I'm asking because I am developing a KVM over iSCSI solution, knowing that there won't be much traffic to the image would be usfull info.
[19:21] <foxbuntu> olcafo, cool...
[19:21] <olcafo> foxbuntu: but the system didn't even detect that the drive was missing!
[19:22] <olcafo> foxbuntu: yes, it will be if I get approval.
[19:22] <foxbuntu> olcafo, Im not too sure about KVM but I know with vmware and virtualbox they try to minimize the disk i/o because its allot slower than physical disk
[19:22] <ivoks> reid: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep pae
[19:22] <ivoks> reid: that will tell if pae is supported by your cpu
[20:14] <ivoks> mathiaz: do you have a minute?
[20:15] <mathiaz> ivoks: sure - plenty of them in a day :)
[20:15] <ivoks> hehe
[20:15] <giovani> not enough!
[20:15] <ivoks> we aren't going to ship dovecot-postfix as part of mail stack?
[20:16] <ivoks> since, it's not part of the mail task in installer's tasksel
[20:17] <mathiaz> ivoks: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.jaunty/annotate/head%3A/mail-server
[20:17] <mathiaz> ivoks: ^^ says no
[20:18] <mathiaz> ivoks: it's probably too late now in the cycle to get this added.
[20:18] <mathiaz> ivoks: we should discuss this option for the next release cycle.
[20:18] <ivoks> i thought it was added, so i never checked that
[20:18] <ivoks> ;...(
[20:20] <ivoks> mathiaz: how about one more iteration of dovecot-postfix?
[20:20] <mathiaz> ivoks: well - we've come a long way.
[20:20] <mathiaz> ivoks: what do you mean?
[20:20] <ivoks> there are some non-critical bugs, but should be fixed
[20:21] <ivoks> 1) no documentation for dovecot-postfix
[20:21] <ivoks> 2) dovecot is restarted before symlinks for certificates are created
[20:21] <ivoks> 3) (feature) ntp should be added as dependecy
[20:22] <ivoks> i've created debdiff for all of this, so...
[20:22] <mathiaz> ivoks: ... that's karmic stuff
[20:23] <ivoks> ok
[20:23] <ivoks> we will get bug reports about this
[20:23] <ivoks> dovecot will not start on installation of dovecot-postfix
[20:23] <ivoks> in certain situations
[20:33] <petia> ivoks !
[21:07] <Sam-I-Am> openldap + gnutls = frustration++
[21:29] <cellofellow> What's a Wiki engine that works with either FastCGI or SCGI? I wanted to use MoinMoin but I think it only works on Apache with mod_python and I'm using Cherokee instead.
[21:32]  * andol is pretty sure MoinMoin runs from FastCGI...
[21:32] <andol> http://moinmo.in/HelpOnInstalling/FastCgi
[21:32] <cellofellow> oh, hey, thanks
[21:33] <cellofellow> for some reason I quit googling after finding nothing on SCGI. :P Silly me.
[21:35] <cellofellow> Cherokee has these lovely Cookbooks in the docs with step-by-step setup for various apps, but MoinMoin is not one of them. Maybe I should write one once I figure this out.
[21:43] <MTecknology> What happened to aptitude update showing a number of packages that need to be upgraded after being run and that pretty list of stats when I log into my server? I loved those new features
[21:46] <reid> is there an easy way to torrent things in the console?  i.e. SSH to my server, and torrent within the console
[21:47] <jpds> reid: Tried using rtorrent?
[21:48] <reid> nope thats what I was asking though =)
[21:48] <ikonia> torrentflux for a web interface
[21:48] <reid> ahh here we go, google probably has it from here
[21:48] <reid> ooo
[21:48] <reid> thanks also ikonia, that might be exactly what i want instead
[21:49] <reid> ikonia: this is the most amazing thing I have ever seen in my life.
[21:52] <cellofellow> With the PPA version of Deluge you can install only the web UI, works great for a server (the PPA version has the different UIs parceled out into different packages).
[21:54] <fr500> ikonia: I use transmission daemon
[21:54] <cellofellow> I did transmission for a while.
[21:57] <fr500> and?
[21:57] <fr500> it's good for me
[21:58] <fr500> I used to have azureus on my headless server
[21:58] <fr500> but it was way to much
[21:59] <cellofellow> well, when I used it with the Clutch webui it was before Clutch was bundled into it, so it was a little clumsy. Neither has a built-in scheduler but with cron and a few commands to the console UI Deluge can be scheduled. Clutch also lacked any authentication of any kind, or SSL.
[22:03] <cellofellow> Either way, both Clutch and Deluge WebUI closely mirror the looks of the desktop UIs. Not so much with Deluge and more so only if you use the AJAX Template.
[22:49] <OscarTG> so i am looking around and reading a few placed that by defualt linux is set up to only have 4 serial ports.  Is this still true?
[23:04] <Tsepa> Please help: My ubuntu-server does not found own ip with command host <hostname>
[23:12] <danny-> Is there any alternatives to samba, thats uses the smb protocol aswell
[23:19] <OscarTG> ok so looks like it is still true.  can anyone help me set up a 16650 4 port serial card?
[23:20] <OscarTG> from what i can see i need to add a kernal command to grub.
[23:48] <OscarTG> what kernal is being used in 8.10
[23:56] <cellofellow> what's a good LDAP server?
[23:56] <mathiaz> OscarTG: Linux kernel 2.6.27
[23:56] <mathiaz> cellofellow: try openldap
[23:56] <cellofellow> ok
[23:57] <cellofellow> can only find a virtual package openldap-utils. found another server, though: slapd. That any good?
[23:59] <mathiaz> cellofellow: yes - slapd in the openldap daemon
[23:59] <mathiaz> cellofellow: yes - slapd *is* the openldap daemon
[23:59] <cellofellow> ok