[00:58] <geek1> hi, this may sound dumb, but can someone tell me what the kernel is for?
[01:00] <geek1> hello?
[02:24]  * nturner wonders where the linux-image-debug-2.6.27-11-generic package is hidden...
[02:31] <dandel> 0o' last set of updates on jaunty just knocked out the windows based install i had ><;
[06:59] <genady12lap> no one here?
[10:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> kees, is it possible the package(s?) we were talking about a few day s ago will require linux-image-* meta packages to get rebuilt? eg, http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=linux-image-386 has different versions for hardy and hardy-updates. all other releases have the same versions in the release and security pockets
[14:21] <apw> smb_tp, this thread may be relevant to you for the press-a-key-to-boot bug: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org/msg240281.html
[14:22] <smb_tp> apw, hm, interesting. thanks.
[14:23] <apw> no idea if its already in our kernel etc, just hit it by accident
[14:24] <smb_tp> I don't think is is disabled currently with our kernels
[14:40] <genady12lap_> apw, ping
[14:42] <apw> genady12lap_, hi
[14:43] <genady12lap_> hey
[14:43] <apw> smb_tp, reading that thread the wisdom seems to be 'you can use hpet=force' and things just work
[14:43] <genady12lap_> I am having problem with speedstep
[14:43] <apw> genady12lap_, ok, what sort of problems, with what cpu
[14:44] <smb_tp> apw, that would imply hpet is not used somehow... hm, I have to get to that thread... later...
[14:44] <apw> smb_tp, there is an implication that it might not be for sure
[14:45] <smb_tp> apw, ok, definitely something to look at... thanks for the pointer
[14:46] <genady12lap_> apw, bug 360192
[14:46] <ubot3> Malone bug 360192 in linux "speedstep (cpufreq in PIII) not loaded in the kernel" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/360192
[14:47] <apw> smb_tp, i happen to be looking at bugs which complain about issues with tickless and C!E in combination and that was Ingo's recommendation as a solution rathter than any other fix
[14:48] <smb_tp> apw, It would be interesting whether it is possible to check whether hpet is only partially active (or whatever the implications are)
[14:48] <apw> smb_tp, agree its not at all clear what is and is not being used
[14:50] <genady12lap_> apw, what do you think?
[14:52] <apw> genady12lap_, i'd say its likely that its not enabled because it provides no benefit on cpu's which don't change voltage when they change frequency
[14:53] <genady12lap_> but it worked some time ago
[14:53] <apw> some time ago?
[14:53] <genady12lap_> I dont remember when, but it works now on windows
[14:54] <apw> there has been much debate on power saving, just because windows does something though is no indicator it is sensible
[14:54] <apw> if i remember the argument correctly, then if your cpu has C2 power saving mode, and CPU frequency but no CPU voltage scaling then there is exacly 0 benefit from changing the frequency
[14:55] <apw> as the benefit of going into C2 is exactly the same as it would be in the states inserted into the cpu to 'slow' it down
[14:55] <apw> ie. it will consume the same number of active cycles, its just the idle cycles are spread differently.
[14:55] <genady12lap_> oh
[14:55] <apw> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/powernowd/+bug/177646
[14:55] <ubot3> Malone bug 177646 in linux "Celeron M530, no frequence scaling" [Medium,Invalid] 
[14:56] <apw> there is much write up on that bug in this area
[14:56] <genady12lap_> apw, so what can I do to save more power?
[14:57] <apw> i assume you have used powertop and followed its advice
[14:58] <genady12lap_> btw I tried the hibernation script and I have problems. (If you are the person who needs to hear them)
[14:58] <apw> suspend_test ?  if so did it get you to file bugs?
[15:00] <genady12lap_> the problem it wont resume automatically
[15:00] <genady12lap_> and I should disable rt61pci module
[15:03] <genady12lap_> powertop is cool
[15:19] <apw> genady12lap_, make sure there is a bug filed which says that for sure
[15:51] <kees> Kamping_Kaiser: I'm not sure what you mean.
[16:51] <manjo> I am seeing an issue where on suspend/resume after an AC power transition the ATA taskfile status register is set to 0xd0 (invalid value), any ideas ? 
[16:56] <apw> smb_tp, was there a wake-on-lan bug hanging about, something to do with a bios setting to make it work
[16:57] <smb_tp> I do not remember a wol not working one. The one I looked at was rather _always_ working after an update
[16:58] <smb_tp> But ask for ehttool output, that should tell whether wol should be active from the drivers perspective
[16:58] <smb_tp> ethtool even
[16:59] <apw> smb_tp, thanks
[18:58] <mdz> apw: do you want help writing that bugpattern for bug 359864, or is it not worth it at this point?  I just noticed you marked another dupe
[18:58] <ubot3> mdz: Error: Could not parse data returned by Malone: The read operation timed out
[18:58] <mdz> apw: er, 352178
[18:59] <apw> so far we don't have a huge pile of dups for it, i believe apport is now going off so i suspect its a non-issue
[18:59] <apw> though it would be useful to learn that skill for sure
[20:10] <awe> apw: ping
[20:11] <apw>  awe hi
[20:12] <awe> thanks for the debugging tip.  looks like it's a panic in the uvcvideo driver's suspend function
[20:12] <apw> very nice
[20:12] <awe> apw: how do i get a copy of the stack trace to add to the bug?
[20:12] <apw> did you get the whole stack?
[20:12] <apw> normally we take a photo
[20:12] <apw> if the top of the panic is missing there is a setfont command on that page which can make the page longer
[20:12] <apw> then get a photo
[20:13] <awe> apw: modern tech @ it's best eh?
[20:13] <apw> sadly yes
[20:13] <awe> apw: i see Call Trace: so I think that's the top
[20:13] <apw> you can use a usb setrial dongle, and another one, and a cross over
[20:13] <apw> call trace is normally a few lines down, whats the first
[20:13] <apw> but get a photo off that one regardless, and then redo it with the other font
[20:14] <awe> ok
[20:52] <manjo> apw, I think I found a work around to the suspend resume causing ATA errors on the samsung NC10 finally
[21:01] <awe> apw: no setfont command found...  it's either not part of 8.04, or was removed from the core netbook derivative
[21:03] <smb_tp> awe, For Hardy the magic runes are: consolechars -f /usr/share/consolefonts/Uni1-VGA8.psf.gz
[21:05] <awe> smb_tp: thanks!
[21:08] <awe> smb_tp: when i run that command i get: set_kernel_font: Invalid argument
[21:09] <smb_tp> awe, did you run it on a text console?
[21:10]  * awe feels dumb
[21:10] <awe> i just opened a gnome-terminal
[21:11] <smb_tp> Yeah, unfortunately it won't work there. :)
[21:19] <awe> smb_tp: ok, i think i know how to do it now... i need to switch to a virtual console right?
[21:20] <smb_tp> awe, Oops, sorry I thought you found out. Err, yeah, best use vt1 for that
[21:36] <cody-somerville> sconklin, Hi. I was wondering if there was any progress on bug #352615?
[21:36] <ubot3> Malone bug 352615 in linux "Please provide squashfs-modules udeb" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/352615
[21:37] <sconklin> cody-somerville: no, I have had more urgent bugs, and won't be able to look at that one this week
[21:41] <awe> smb_tp: so i managed to change the font, and when i hit the crash now, i get gibberish...looks like i get the top 40% of each line, and then it's overwritten by the line below it.
[21:43] <smb_tp> awe, Hm, strange. Would ls and stuff work correctly after changing the font? For me here it is working ok (normal use without a crash)
[21:44] <awe> hmmm... i know what i did.  i switched back to the normal ui.  duh. lemme try again.
[21:45] <smb_tp> Though even that works here on my laptop
[21:46] <awe> yea, but this is dennis the menace.  ;)
[21:46] <smb_tp> heh :)